1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nell. They call 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Ball Mission Control decades. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: want you to know. Happy three everybody, Congratulations to all 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: of us. Go team. There is currently not a third 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: World war, right the world just a sixth mass extinction. Yes, 12 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: there are with a silver lining man, you know there 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: it is uh so, it's it's crazy right. Most of 14 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: the people listening today do not have personal experience with 15 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: World War two. If you're human, it is most likely 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: going to be a memory of a parent, probably a grandparent, 17 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: maybe a great grandparents. People aren't thinking about a full 18 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: scale World war the way they would think about Vietnam 19 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: or a rock et cetera. And the problem is, history 20 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: is again much closer than it looks in the rear 21 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: view mirror. And that's why billions of people are convinced 22 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: a third World War is on the way, not so 23 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: much a question of if as a question of when. 24 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: There's no shortage of predictions about how this war might occur. 25 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Matt Noll, you know, it wasn't too long 26 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: ago that we we said there's a high likelihood World 27 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: War three could occur over water, right over like as 28 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: a I'm sorry, I'm picturing like over water like an 29 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: air war, you know, but now this is water the resource. 30 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: We're gonna fight for that stuff to the death. Yeah, thankfully. Weirdly, 31 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: in recent news, California and the Western United States has 32 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: been drenched in a terrible way, but at least some 33 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: of the reservoirs got filled. Here he goes with the silver, 34 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: silverlighted he's our guy. Uh yeah, I mean, it is 35 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: an interesting thing once you take into consideration other impending 36 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: issues like climate change, where you could be like, oh, yeah, 37 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: that's cool, we're getting more rain in these arid regions, 38 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: but it also portends something potentially ominous, the fact that 39 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: that's that didn't used to have been like, and it 40 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: causes landslides, mud slides, flooding, and terrible things. Yeah, just 41 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: general holes in the ground will occur out of nowhere right, 42 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: and uh, privatized insurance is a thing. So privatized insurance 43 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: may say you didn't get the extra whole policy for 44 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: your crazy random you know, sinkholes, so good luck and 45 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: good hustle. Hey, can we just say too. I mean, 46 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: like the kinds of insurance you're required to have if 47 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: you live in like a floodplaine or whatever, they're pretty limited. 48 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know you have to have them, but 49 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: it's not like it's gonna make you a whole most 50 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: of the time. If my experience with insurance is any indication, 51 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: unless you make no fun left behind, I mean I'm 52 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: just saying, I just, you know, no shade out there directly, 53 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: I guess if you're in the insurance game. But I 54 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: think we all know that there there are some real 55 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: shortcomings with these things to the folks that maybe can't 56 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: afford just the absolute top tier levels of coverage. No, what, 57 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: what does your hat say? It's pretty good? I was 58 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: liking at this earlier. It says loking awesome. Oh, okay, 59 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: okay in a positive way. Yeah, I mean it's like 60 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: a skateboard company or something. I did buy it at 61 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: a skateboard shop. I do not skateboard. But my kid 62 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: is starting to try, so I'm allowed to wear this 63 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: at damn it. So it's not any way meant to 64 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: insult the idea of awesome. It's just adding to it. 65 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: It's like that line in that macklemore song, you know 66 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: about popping tabs at the thrift story says this is 67 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: being also, you know, that's just my outlook on life. 68 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: That guy's government name also is Ben Benjamin McLemore Xavier Esquire, 69 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: the third roy that's my theory. Well, you know what, 70 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: He's definitely well traveled, as are many celebrities. The average 71 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: per soon has a difficult time traveling that widely, and 72 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: so it can be very scary to think about the 73 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: world and have some weird doomsday prophecy about things going 74 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: inevitably in a chaotic direction. You know, wars over water, 75 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: climate refugees, two very true things. A domino of nuclear 76 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: detonations because once once someone shoots a gun, it's no 77 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: longer a standoff, it's a hot war. Oh yeah, well, 78 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: it makes me think of the I don't know if 79 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: you call it a border dispute, but the dispute with 80 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: the South China. See that's been going on where there 81 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: where tensions are rising higher and higher as people, as 82 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: other governments and their militaries encroach a little bit further, 83 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: just to see where those lines are um in what 84 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: China believes is there property I guess also interesting use 85 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: of language in justifying it. They we called it just 86 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: now the South China Sea. Other countries in that part 87 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: of the ocean do not call it the South China Sea. 88 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: So what we're looking at here is what is legally 89 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: called between just two countries, a differing perspective or differing territory. 90 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Today's episode is about one uh one possible cause for 91 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: a third World War. It's one that might be unfamiliar 92 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: to many of our fellow conspiracy realist. It's a beef 93 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: with China and India. Here are the facts. They're big, 94 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: they're big, the big deals. Yes, they're big deals as 95 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: countries because of their size, you know, their actual land 96 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: mass and the number of human beings that live within 97 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: the borders of those countries. And they're also a big 98 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: deal because they got this little technology that you know, 99 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: we humans developed in the forties. It's called nukes. Yes, 100 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: also putting a positive spin on things. These are these 101 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: are seats of ancient cultures invented so many things. China 102 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: and India historically not perfect few countries are, right, but 103 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 1: they did big stuff. And you're right, Matt, they're they're 104 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: literally the biggest countries in terms of population. Right, we're 105 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: keeping the US bracketed. The US and the EU are 106 00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: distant thirds and fourths respectively. How many people are we 107 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: talking in China and India? Well, uh, they're very populous places. 108 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: Let's just say, and we can we can put some 109 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: numbers to that, um, with China being the number one 110 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: most populous country on the planet with one point four 111 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: billion people, India is nipping at its heels and I'm not. 112 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm at a close second with over one point three 113 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: eight billion residents in that country. Uh. And that leads 114 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: to a super fun statistic that you found, ben Um. 115 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: If you picked a single person at random out of 116 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: every single individual on the planet, that random person is 117 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: most likely to be either from India or China. That's 118 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: a fun game. Yeah, we should try that. No, that's hard, 119 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: too hard, We'll just keep it in the realm of 120 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: conceptual examples. Yeah, and if you took a big picture 121 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: of planet Earth and looked at the two land masses 122 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: that comprise China and India. And you thought about the 123 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: number of humans that are on there, and then you 124 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: thought about that statistic, right, you may think, oh, man, 125 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: oh everybody here, if they must have a lot in common, 126 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: they must be like pretty good friends. They're really close. 127 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: They've been around together for gosh, thousands and thousands of years. 128 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Has been pointed to in their ancient civilizations, they must 129 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: be pals. Not so much, well, kind of there's a 130 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: lot of trade, right, there is trade, but like you know, culturally, 131 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: a lot of differences in terms of maybe priorities, um, 132 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, moral morals, you know, things like that that 133 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: they're just kind of based in in those ancient cultures 134 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: that you're talking about that maybe get passed down generationally. Um. 135 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: And there really are some pretty significant divides between the 136 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: two countries. Yeah, that can feel weird. Two people in 137 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: the west, these uh, these cultures, these modern nations are 138 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: so old that their history descends into legend and myth 139 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: at some time. What we're saying is two very big 140 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: deals who have a lot in common and happen, due 141 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: to geography to be a little bit complicated. You know, 142 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: they have historically worried about their borders, primarily about their 143 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: borders with other countries, not even talking about them together. 144 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: India is very worried about Pakistan. It's stressing some other 145 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: stuff in the Himalayas. We know about China and the West. 146 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: That's the reason, that's the reason all of us on 147 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: this show are about fifty fifty to get into mainland 148 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: China through legal means. So this all leads us to 149 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: something a lot of Westerners don't think about often. How 150 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: did China and India get along? Would they ever enter 151 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: open combat in the modern age in a way that 152 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: would trigger a Third World War? So it's such a 153 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: weird question, yeah, and again not one that people in 154 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: the West ponder very often. I certainly don't. I mean, 155 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: I don't think we we've really not talked about it 156 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: outside of recording the podcast before and until we started 157 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: really doing research. I mean, I'm sure some of us, 158 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we're aware of it to some extent, 159 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: the tensions and some of the stuff that's been popping 160 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: up in the news. But when it comes to an 161 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: existential dread feeling about the next thing that sparks World 162 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: War three, it hasn't been on my radar. Yeah, what 163 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: about you know, I mean, I just like you said, Um, 164 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: the idea of a world war sort of seems like 165 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: a relic at this point. It just feels like there's 166 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: more kind of small conflicts surrounding specific issues, or maybe 167 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: we come into the aid of a country, you know, 168 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: if it sort of serves our interests. But like, I 169 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: don't know, the closest thing maybe I could see would 170 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: be what's happening in Ukraine, and just like you know, 171 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: the the the maneuvering of someone like a dictator uh 172 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: type figure like Putin who maybe you know, while it's 173 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: not certainly not on par with what was going on 174 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: with Hitler, Um, it's the kinds of actions when escalated 175 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: farther enough, the world sort of demands, uh, you know, 176 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: action uh. And I don't think we're there yet, you know, 177 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: with that. But that's the closest thing that I could 178 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: think of. I just I guess it just feels like 179 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: the world is interconnected in such a way now that 180 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't during the eras of the first two 181 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: World wars, So it seems less likely for it to 182 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: be an all out, all encompassing everyone's on board on 183 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: one side or the other, you know, conflict. Yeah, that 184 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: makes sense. The idea that we are at the end 185 00:12:53,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: of history, the idea that wars as understood in preview 186 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: is millennia no longer apply. Like the idea of a 187 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: world war when everyone is financially connected becomes a very 188 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: different conversation. So, as we're saying now, a lot of 189 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: people aren't aware of this tension between China and India, 190 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: nor how specific it is. You will see authors writing 191 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: about it in near future sci fi like Neil Stephenson's 192 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: Termination Shock. But this is a real thing. It's a border. 193 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: Most people in the world will never visit. It is 194 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: constantly shifting. It's about two thousand miles long. It's in 195 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. It's not a place you would 196 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: go for fun. It's in the Himilaya Mountains and not 197 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: the fun part. And neither the government of India nor 198 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: the government of China will actually call it a border. 199 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: And they've been beefing about this for decades. Instead, for 200 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: many decades they have been calling this the quote line 201 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: of actual control. As we record today's podcast, it is 202 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: the largest, most dangerous border dispute on the planet. Then 203 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: In researching this, it feels to me like a little 204 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: bit like the d m Z that we talked about 205 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: between the DPRK and South Korea. And but it's but 206 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: it's a morphous in a very different way. It's uh, 207 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: it feels like it can change, really really change, like 208 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: depending on which side you're on and what you decide 209 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: to believe in the moment, if you're a commander, let's say, 210 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: or somebody who's in charge of a military either I 211 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: can't wait to get into this, but why why don't 212 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: we take a quick break. We'll come right back in 213 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: and learn about the line of actual control. Here's where 214 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. So the story really starts back in 215 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: the late fifties when India and China had a proper 216 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: beef properly beefed up UM and modern history, these countries 217 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: have fought only one war against each other. Mind you, 218 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: the Sino Indian War UM, which took place for just 219 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: a single month, seems like not that big a deal. 220 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: Right from November to October of nineteen sixty two, India 221 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: lost that conflict or confrontation or whatever event they want 222 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: to call it, UH, and China unilaterally declared a ceasefire. 223 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: But let's just not forget that a ceasefire really is 224 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: just kind of like pressing pause on a conflict, and 225 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: it can be rescinded and any thought. Sometimes cease fires 226 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: can go on for a very long period of time 227 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: if you know, an actual um official declaration of you know, 228 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: an end to the war can take place, right, So 229 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: like a ceasefire band could last year's sure. Yeah, and 230 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: I like that you brought up the Korean peninsula because 231 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: that war also has not ended. There's an armistice, right, 232 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: So this ceasefire in nineteen sixty two means that the 233 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: countries never agreed on what constituted a border. They just 234 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: started using the phrase line of actual control, which is 235 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: and this is on purpose, and none of the none 236 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: of us are proud of this. This is an example 237 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,239 Speaker 1: of the overuse of the phrase liminal space in contact 238 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: in context. I know, Matt, I see you. We love 239 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: liminal space as we talk about them all the time. 240 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: It's like a place between the place like the airport 241 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: is a good example of where I mean it actually 242 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: can be a real example in terms of like where 243 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: duty free rates apply. You're not actually in the US, 244 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: but you're not actually in the country yet, so you're 245 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: in this kind of middle ground that allows you to 246 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: buy whiskey and bulk without paying tax um. But if 247 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: you're you see that duty free shop and you're not 248 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, on an international flight, you're not in that space, 249 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: but you're still in the liminal space that allows you 250 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,239 Speaker 1: to have a drink at eight in the morning. So 251 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: two of the most populous countries on the planet say, hey, 252 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: let's just agree that we do not agree, and let's 253 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: look at the facts on the ground. You know, who 254 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: controls what, and they mapped it out. You can look 255 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: at any number of these attempts to map out the 256 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: line of actual control. But be aware of folks, the 257 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: maps are wildly different. Yeah, but either way, and no 258 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: matter what your map looks like, let's say you're either 259 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: China or India, you say, you know, even though we're 260 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: not really sure where these lines are, let's definitely put 261 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of troops, like as close as we can 262 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: get to whatever that thing is on both sides, which 263 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: is always you know, a way to really reduce tension. 264 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: If you imagine the countries as stressed out individuals, how 265 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: would you map how would we uh how would we 266 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: illustrate or demarcate the line of actual control? Well, guys, 267 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: I do not know this region very well. I am 268 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: a guy in Atlanta talking to you about it. This 269 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: information comes from the Hindustan Times. And where do they 270 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: quoting been Oh, they are quoting members of Indian military. Well, 271 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: there you go. So this is maybe one perspective on 272 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: as well as as well as Indian government outside of 273 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: the military. Got it. Well, this is what we have. 274 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: The line of actual control runs between China's Tibet Autonomous 275 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: Region and the Indian states of Arunachal Pradesh in the northeast, 276 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: Himachal Pradesh and Utra Khand and Ladock in the north. 277 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: And I pronounced those things incorrectly. I apologize. Those are 278 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: names that you likely aren't aware of. But you can 279 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: look some of those things up if you wish. Yes, perfect, 280 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: If you pull up a world map and you zoom 281 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: in to southwestern China, call it that right, and you 282 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: see the the Himalayan Mountains, then along that line, essentially 283 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: wherever there is not a Nepal or Bhutan, then there 284 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: is Chinese Indian border dispute, burn Indian Chinese border dispute, 285 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: and there are two major areas on the on either 286 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: side right right, the sides that are not Nepal, and 287 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: there in the middle because they're higher up in the mountains. So, 288 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: like you said, Matt, there are troops on both sides 289 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: of this not a border trademark, and they get in 290 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: fights all the time, and both countries are terrified of 291 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: giving any ground, which is weird because they feel like 292 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: nothing occurs in a vacuum. So if either side of 293 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: the L A C or Line of actual Control gives 294 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: an inch, they will lose a mile. And maybe we 295 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: can talk about some of their concerns. Yes, indeed, UM 296 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: concerns on both sides. To the west, the L A 297 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: C Line of actual Control runs along the already quite 298 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: tense Kashmir border UM India. It's also very worried that 299 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: Pakistan UM might use any territorial shift to kind of 300 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: bolster their own claim to Kashmir UM. And this is 301 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: a very reasonable concern UM. So they're not going to 302 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: give at all if they can do anything in their 303 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: power to to keep from doing so. UM. The western 304 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: l A C also runs along the Chinese controlled Axi 305 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: at Chin region also known as Eastern Ladoc. You mentioned earlier, 306 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: matt Uh. This is basically, well, actually Western China Shinjiang 307 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: uh Weaker territory, which is, as many listeners know, We've 308 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: talked about it plenty of times, is an ethnic group 309 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: that has been on the receiving end of some pretty 310 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: awful discrimin nation and horrible treatment by the government of 311 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: China um as the government of China continues to crack 312 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: down on that population um through various programs of assimilation. 313 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: They also don't want to give any territory to India 314 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: because it could further destabilize an already kind of if 315 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: he you know, region of control. These are kind of 316 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: geopolitically speaking, Razor thin Margins were talking about here, because 317 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: right in that same area I have at least the 318 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: maps I'm looking at. It's not circular necessarily, but it 319 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: looks like a small circle where you've got China on 320 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: one side, you've got India kind of coming up to 321 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: a point, and then Pakistan right here. And like you 322 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: were saying, Ben, like it does make total sense that 323 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: India would be super weird and out about any kind 324 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: of development within the border there, within that circle or 325 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: the other line of control between India and Pakistan. Yeah, 326 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: it's weird, right. Imagine, you know, if making it a 327 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: micro cosmic example, let's imagine you live in a subdivision 328 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: and you hate your neighbors, but but you're you have 329 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: the same backyard fences, and you will moved in when 330 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: there was some sort of chain link fence already there. 331 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: And so now you're starting to think about whose backyard is, 332 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: who's right, or whoms is whoms if we're being fancy. 333 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: So this is this is a dangerous thing because one 334 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: tremendous point stands out. China and India are nuclear powers. 335 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: If you look at the other side of what's called 336 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: the line of actual control, you will see that east 337 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: of Bhutan, there's a whole other thing geopolitically. And the 338 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: thing we need to know for now is this neither 339 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: of these sides, neither India nor China, ever agreed on 340 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: an actual border. Both of them are powerful, as you said, Matt, 341 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: both of them can launch nuclear weapons, and they both have, 342 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: as you said, Noel, incredibly understandable fears about what would 343 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: happen if they give an inch, you know, And maybe 344 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: the best way to put it is that what we're 345 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: looking at is two immovable objects that find themselves occupying 346 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: the same space. It is not a sustainable calculation. It's 347 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: not even possible. Physics says no. Physics says no. Okay, 348 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: So why is there not a war? Well, as we're 349 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: recording this, there isn't one yet. Hopefully when we get 350 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: back there still won't be one because we're gonna take 351 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: a quick and we're back. Why indeed isn't there that 352 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: war that we've been teasing at this whole time, or 353 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: maybe at least asking the question of what does it 354 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: take for this to happen in this day and age? 355 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, India and China are, as you mentioned, well, 356 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: both of you, Matt and been mentioned, economically reliant on 357 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: one another um to a kind of absurd degree. Um. 358 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: They are very much part of a delicate balance in 359 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: terms of how much they need each other for imports 360 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: and exports and all of that. And a lot of 361 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: that has to do with that proximity that we talked about. 362 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: India is China's second largest trading partner. Um from this 363 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: trade relationship was essentially the equivalent of eleven point five 364 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: eight three billion dollars um. That would be an absolute catastrophe, Uh, 365 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: if it was messed with, you know, and this is 366 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: something that folks are taking into serious consideration when making 367 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: these kinds of plays, are deciding whether or not to 368 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: do so with these territorial disputes. And just to be clear, 369 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: that is China trading goods to India. Yeah, and US dollars. 370 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: It's a lot of money. And look, there's no secret. Uh, 371 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: the government of China has tremendous military capabilities. So if 372 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: everything else were taken out of the equation, it would 373 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: be a pretty one sided war. But you know, nobody 374 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: wants to have these huge conflicts. As a result, after 375 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of low levels skirmishes and back and forth, 376 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: things got a little bit less heated. Back in September 377 00:26:53,760 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: seven of that year, both countries came together and said, well, 378 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: we still don't agree, but we're gonna do it politely. 379 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: That's what I know. I just like that. Well, you know, yeah, 380 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: let's just kind of keep this thing as it is. Um. 381 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: It's this thing known as the Border Peace and Tranquility 382 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: Agreement Tanquility Inclusion. It's it does it seems lovely? Yeah? Yeah, 383 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: it's uh, it did this little thing where how did 384 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: you put it in Oh, they just said they're gonna 385 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: keep the status quo. They're going to continually disagree politely 386 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: until they find a permanent solution, and they're gonna work 387 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: together to build confidence. See that's confidence building in itself. Hey, 388 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: well they did. They did some cool stuff, right. They said, look, 389 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: we're going to control the amount of force and the 390 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: type of force we use on this part of the 391 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: world that we disagree about. Right, and they specifically said 392 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: neither side shall use or threatened to use force against 393 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: the other by any means. They also said no activities 394 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: of either side shall overstep the line of actual control. 395 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: So you can like talk big, you can wave flags, 396 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: you can do oh to your earlier two Knowle's earlier point. 397 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: You know you uh, you noted about you noted the 398 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: enmity between these forces. You guys remember the Pakistani Indian 399 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: border ceremony, right, Matt, do you know what the marching 400 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: with the legs up really high and yeah, it's like 401 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: foreheads they got a horn. I mean, is this is 402 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: essentially that line in the sand everyone's always talking about, 403 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, or like the one in the Looney Tunes 404 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: cartoons where you know, bugs Bunny consistently crosses it here 405 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: and then keeps redrawing in until inevitably somebody falls off 406 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: a cliff. Except in most cases there is no line. 407 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: You're in the line of the mind is uh, it 408 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: is definitely a you should you yeah? Well yeah, And 409 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: that's why they put things in there that basically stated, 410 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: you know, if you let's say you're in a if 411 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: you're a bunch of troops, you're going through the mountains 412 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: in this region, and you realize all of a sudden, 413 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: oh crap, I'm on the wrong side of this thing. Uh. 414 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: They put language in there to say you just if 415 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: you find yourself in that position, you just back off, 416 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: go in the correct direction for whichever country you are representing. 417 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: And we're gonna say it's okay, because remember, when you're here, 418 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: you are a peacekeeping force, you're not a military, right. Yeah. Oh, 419 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: the the weather mislead us. We're south of the mountain. 420 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: We gotta get north of that real quick. Let's let's 421 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: remember we all agree, okay, So spoiler neither side consider 422 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: this ideal situation. They had a lot of hand to 423 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: hand combat, a lot of on the ground disagreements about 424 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: who was on which side of which line. So the 425 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: governments of India and China go back to the drawing 426 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: board in n same year as the Olympics in Atlanta, Georgia, 427 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: and they totally did not care about that because they 428 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: were trying to make sure there was not a nuclear war. 429 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: And this deal gets pretty explicit. This is the one 430 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: that says, quote, neither side shall open fire or hunt 431 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: with guns or explosives within two kilometers from the line 432 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: of actual control. Realizing as we know now that neither 433 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: side agrees on what the line of actual control is. 434 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: That's why they said two kilometers. They said two clicks 435 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: because they were at least anywhere. Oh, there's probably one 436 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: right now who's like kilometer by elevation or a kilometer 437 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: by like flat distance European swallow or African swallows. Just so, 438 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: but see what that that means. That's four kilometers in total, 439 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: right two kilometers from either side of whatever the line is. 440 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: That's a big old swath of land right there, if 441 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: you measure it all the way across. Seems a little wasteful, 442 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: doesn't it. But also, like, I mean, isn't this the 443 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: kind of situation like it would really take somebody flexing 444 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: on the other side and to create a conflict or 445 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: to create an event or an incident, let's just call it, 446 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: that might lead to a conflict, like you know, shooting 447 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: somebody who crossed their idea of the line, or it's 448 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: just some hapless hunter out there who is doing their 449 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: regular hunting with explosives thing. Yeah, it's like fishing with dynamite. 450 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: You know, everybody knows that's the best way. Those snow 451 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: leopards are everywhere, you know, Yeah, you gotta get them. 452 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: You gotta hunt the snow leopards with grenades apparently, but 453 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: this is this is true since there have been no 454 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: firearms quote unquote allowed, and that agreement has been broken 455 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: many times. What it's led to largely is a series 456 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: of grudge matches, hand to hand combat. You like UFC, 457 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: you like m m A, you like mosh pits. There's 458 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: a Himalayan mosh pit right now. People are hitting each 459 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: other with sticks, people are throwing stones, they're broken bones. 460 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: There are no a k s or collision to cause 461 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: real time on the ground Krav Magaw training there it is. Yeah, 462 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: and uh, there was an incident in in Gadwin Valley 463 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: that led to fatalities. This was one of the most 464 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: significant border escalations in quote unquote peacetime in modern history. Right, 465 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: and both sides, by the way, blame each other for 466 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: the event. Uh, and no one wants to be responsible 467 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: for starting an actual war, like like you guys point out, 468 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: like there, these countries are economically reliance upon one another. 469 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: And that's why you can see multiple videos your browser 470 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: of choice where it looks like people motion in uniform. 471 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: It looks like two large crowds just pushing each other. 472 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: It's weird. The most recent videos that went mainstream came 473 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: out three weeks before we recorded this episode on January nine. 474 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: How would how would you guys describe that one um 475 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: seeing barbed wire on one side that appears to represent 476 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: some kind of border, but then troops from either side 477 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: with it looks like lumber honestly in some cases, in 478 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: other cases huge makeshift clubs, and they are, as you said, 479 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: literally hitting each other and pushing each other even though 480 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: there is a like a razor wire or barbed wire 481 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: fence in between the two groups. Doesn't look very pleasant. 482 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: Is what you call a skirmish, right, Like a little 483 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: border skirmish where you know, there's like again an incident, Um, 484 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: But Hopefully it doesn't result in a bunch of fatalities, 485 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: because if it did, that would escalate. It is strange 486 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: because it does appear that there is a concentrated, large 487 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: group of one of the sides. It appears to be 488 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: perhaps the Chinese troops that are kind of corralled maybe 489 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: and they're just not really moving, but they are being attacked. 490 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: It's very I mean, that's what it looks like from 491 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: my view. And also I like that you're bringing up 492 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: views who is holding the camera somebody on the Indian side, 493 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: it appears, so there's a propaganda aspect of this war 494 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: as well. There are loads of domestic reports in both 495 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: countries that entirely seek to justify activities to support their perspectives. 496 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: India claims that China has expansionist aims. They say China 497 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: conspires with Pakistan. They also say that China is attempting 498 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: to swallow up more territory each year, particularly as glaciers shift. 499 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: Himalaya Mountains are home to uh a treasure trove of 500 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: fresh water, and that water is you know, not going 501 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: to be in glacier form for long. Well, yeah, and 502 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: as it recedes that muddies the water, Oh, I didn't 503 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: even mean to do it, um, but it does. It 504 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: changes where the perceived border perhaps is, and is the 505 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: border actually along the glacier as though you would uh 506 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: line a border along a river. Let's say it's very 507 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: common for humans to do that. What if the border 508 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: is supposed to be along that glacier line, if the 509 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: glacier recedes, then does that line stay in the same 510 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: spot on the land or does it go and move 511 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: with the And they, I believe the agreements call that 512 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: a matter of differing perception, which is again a very 513 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: polite sounding way to fundamentally disagree with someone. And let's 514 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: be honest, if these were just regular street scuffles between gangs, 515 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: our kids and a playground, you might see it become 516 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: a meme or a footnote. Right. The problem is, even 517 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: though these are not conflicts with firearms, often we're talking 518 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: about proxies for two nuclear capable countries, and let us 519 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: not forget people are dying and that's what this makes 520 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: us think about. You could say, hey, that's a regional 521 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: conflict that's between them. But if it's two countries two countries, 522 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: do not world war make you know what I mean? 523 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: Like you would need more countries. What of the world's 524 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: countries to make a world war? I don't know how 525 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: they calculate that. I've always wondered that. I mean, yeah, 526 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: what what doth the world war make? Is it just 527 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: three countries in very different parts of the world coalitions, right, 528 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: Like it's about sort of yeah, you know, it's like 529 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: you band together and then you have a conflict and 530 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: then you know, I guess, yeah, what at what point 531 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: did world War one become World War one? Because that 532 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 1: was also they had to kind of coin that term, 533 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: right even back then. I feel like I remember at 534 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: least three different mixtapes in the early two thousands where 535 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: someone declared a world war and that didn't catch on. 536 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: They never got to the UN. They were just rapping. 537 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: I think maybe that's part of the question behind all 538 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: this too, is like you really brought up a good point. 539 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: These are sort of labels that we put on things 540 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: and sort of run with, and it really is maybe 541 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: maybe there is, diplomatically speaking, some sort of metric for 542 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: what what the you know, the criteria for world war 543 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: is I don't remember it from history class though. It's 544 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 1: when you invade poland that's when it becomes a world. 545 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: When the Archduke Franz Ferdinand gets shot, We've got to 546 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: stop invading Poland, you know what I mean, just as 547 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: non Polish people. There are criteria, let's see it, says uh. 548 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: In order to qualify as the World war, at least 549 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: one of three criteria must be met at a state 550 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: placed between multiple nations across the globe. Battles are fought 551 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: in many different locations. These are still very big, and 552 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: the war must be fought against great powers with significantly 553 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: advanced technology. This is bullshnap whatever this says. Sorry, I 554 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: don't buy this. This is from homework dot study dot com. 555 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: Somebody got G and college. All right, So that's the problem, 556 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, I do. I do note that it's value. 557 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: It's valid to talk about the real estate. Though the 558 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: war is like real estate. It's geography. It's location, location, location. 559 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,959 Speaker 1: Geography determines the outcome of geopolitics as much, if not more, 560 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: than human tactics and policies. So, if China and India 561 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: did enter a conflict, if they were deploying munitions or 562 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: sending jets over that airspace which was quote unquote restricted airspace, 563 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: the jets flew earlier I'm pretty sure if they, if 564 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 1: they escalated this war, it would not just be between 565 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: those two countries. No. No, That's why we pointed out 566 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this episode how important trading part 567 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: Nurse China and India are to each other. I would 568 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: say probably India a little more dependent on China just 569 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: because they received so many goods. Same thing with the 570 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: US and how many goods we received from China. And 571 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: it does make me wonder so if this did, if 572 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: that beef got bigger, Um, the US might have to 573 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: support China, which is so weird that the first time 574 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: I've had that it would that be true? Do you 575 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: think that would be true? And I am not I 576 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: am not privy to the act the geo political conversations 577 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: that I hear you. I just think it feels to 578 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: me like it would almost be Yeah, you'd have to 579 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: be a play that would have to be made. Um, 580 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's creepy. You'd have to think about 581 00:41:52,840 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: You'd have to think about Korea, the Korean Peninsula, Japan, Australia. Uh, 582 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: there are so many variables, right, what's going on with Pakistan, 583 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, which is a friend to China, Right, So 584 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: these other players get sucked in. There's a domino effect. 585 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: If China and India declare war, then Pakistan must take 586 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: a stance, right, Japan must take a stance. Russia would 587 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: be a different case. At this point, what we can 588 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 1: say is that there are literally billions of people in China, 589 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: literally billions of people in India, well one billion each, 590 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: which means billions of people overall who are innocent. They 591 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with it. They're not involved in 592 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: this stuff in the middle of nowhere in the him Alayas. 593 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: But we also have to mention I love the point 594 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: earlier about how world wars start. You can dismiss these 595 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: kinds of things, but no, you brought up Franz Ferdinand 596 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: commonly referred to as you know, the spark that started 597 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: World War two. Yeah, I mean, and it really is 598 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: kind of like how the history books right in or 599 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: what we agree on. Because I was, you know again, 600 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking through this after that idiotic take that I 601 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: rattled off, I saw an interesting perspective that some historians 602 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: believe that the Thirty Years War has more claimed to 603 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: be called World War One than World War One does. Um, 604 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: just because of the number of you know parties involved, 605 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,439 Speaker 1: Um it really is. It's a matter of a war, 606 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, fought between major nations, and it doesn't take 607 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,839 Speaker 1: much to spark off a great conflict. And with this, 608 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I I think we I think we 609 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves. Is the line of actual control 610 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: a thing that will turn into a border within a 611 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: few years. I hope it doesn't lead to a war. 612 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think? I don't think 613 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: it will just because of where where it is. Imagine 614 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: fighting a full scale war in that territory, in those 615 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: mountainous areas, at that elevation, in with those temperatures. It 616 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: just feels like a really bad place to have a 617 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: hot conflict. Who would have the upper hand? Do you 618 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 1: think China? They already won once exactly pretty handily. Yeah, 619 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well they would win to India called 620 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam because there isn't that is a thing right 621 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: now India and the United States. I don't know too 622 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: much about it, but there's the relationship there is getting 623 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: closer and closer. Yes, yeah, uh. And it's part of 624 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: the U S strategy to contain China. China what they 625 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: see as Chinese exp antonism, which is, you know, insulting 626 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 1: if you're if you're a Chinese nationalist, right, don't don't 627 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: try to box me in and so on. Uh, I 628 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: don't know. I keep thinking about it. I am tempted 629 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 1: to agree. I I doubt this is the likely cause 630 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,280 Speaker 1: of World War three, But consider this. If you wanted 631 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: to start World War three, this would be a great 632 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: place to start. You know, this would be a great 633 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 1: place to false flags some stuff all you need, all 634 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: It's relatively simple, right, Yes, I'll be right back. I'm 635 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: gonna go do a little false flag action. You're like, 636 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I feel like I'm starting a war. I 637 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: don't know, it's bord, let's do it. I'm trying to 638 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: think of why, Like what would be the motivations. I 639 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not smart enough to understand there. Yeah, 640 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: I can second and see a real reason either. It 641 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,760 Speaker 1: seems it would it would be uh, it would cause 642 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: a chain reaction that would you know, really ripple outward 643 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: and affect our relationship with those countries and then our 644 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: ability to do trade and all of that. So, I 645 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think it's in anybody's best interest. Yeah, 646 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: unless it's an overall, you know, population reduction plan by 647 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: someone in a darkened study who has just come up 648 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: with a way to kill you know, hundreds of thousands 649 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: of people, if not millions of people in couple uh 650 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: swift moves. I don't know. It's feeling more and more 651 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: like some people might be thinking that kind of stuff 652 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: and it's freaking me out a little bit. Guys, but 653 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: that's okay, same right. 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