WEBVTT - Former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel Talks Democratic Party, Liberalism

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. As we keep our

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<v Speaker 1>eyes on the prize, and by that I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>price of gasoline four dollars and fifty five cents today nationally,

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<v Speaker 1>the price on this twenty second of May. Yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>means we're about to do the big driving holiday this weekend. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And as I read here, you know they do these

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<v Speaker 1>these studies every time we get to the Memorial Day

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<v Speaker 1>or fourth of July Thanksgiving. How many people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to go out on the roads. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>they come up with these numbers, but forty five million

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<v Speaker 1>Americans were told and estimated forty five million will travel

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<v Speaker 1>at least fifty miles over the holiday weekend, up from

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<v Speaker 1>forty four point eight million in twenty twenty five, just

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<v Speaker 1>under forty three million in twenty nineteen. Gas Buddy says,

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<v Speaker 1>for the average American, they're going to be paying well

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<v Speaker 1>over a dollar more than they were a year ago. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about four and a half dollars, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>that's up from three dollars and fourteen cents last year.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're keeping score and playing along on your home game,

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<v Speaker 1>and knowing that Republicans are very busy trying to redraw

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<v Speaker 1>maps across the country, and Democrats are try and like

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<v Speaker 1>heck to keep up with them. There's a thought that

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<v Speaker 1>you've heard on this program before that the fundamentals in

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<v Speaker 1>this race will outweigh the technicals. Broadly speaking, in the midterms,

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<v Speaker 1>the issue of affordability, energy prices, a war that is

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<v Speaker 1>not popular with the American people, not to mention the

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<v Speaker 1>attempt at reforming ICE, and all the rest will come

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<v Speaker 1>together in a wave election that will leave the congressional

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<v Speaker 1>maps irrelevant when it comes to the final score. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got six months to figure that out. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>delighted to hear today that Ram Emmanuel was going to

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<v Speaker 1>join us. I don't know how we put the titles

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<v Speaker 1>in correct order here. I will always think of him

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<v Speaker 1>as President Obama's chief of staff, but you might think

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<v Speaker 1>of him as the mayor of Chicago or maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>ambassador to Japan. Either way, he's with us right now

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<v Speaker 1>and the state of the Democratic Party, Rob e Manuel,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand you can't turn your camera on. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Bloomberg. It's great to see you, and I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on this now that we've got this autopsy

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<v Speaker 1>in hand. Do you have the message that outweighs the maps.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you asked two questions. One is, look, I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen more throw reports autopsies from a local coroner's office

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<v Speaker 2>than that. And you knew more about what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four before that autopsy was issued. And everybody

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<v Speaker 2>acts like this is complicated. But I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>straightforward about this. Having worked on President Clinton, President Obamas

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<v Speaker 2>both election re election and taking back the House and

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<v Speaker 2>making Nancy Pelosi Speaker, which is we're minority party. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to win, you got to find common cause with

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<v Speaker 2>independent voters. Second, in the last three presidentials, seven states,

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred thousand voters have decided who's president of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. They're all swing states. So you can't win

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<v Speaker 2>based on Democratic votes. You gotta find common cause with independence. Three.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true for Senate candidates, and it's true for

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<v Speaker 2>House candidates. You're going to win or turn a red

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<v Speaker 2>district to a blue district or a red state to

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<v Speaker 2>a blue state senator. You're going to have to win

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<v Speaker 2>in places Democrats aren't just talking to democrats. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the combination of lock and they both buy candidate

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<v Speaker 2>message and capacity find the common ground that builds a

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<v Speaker 2>broad based majority coalition with independent voters and getting caught

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<v Speaker 2>in what I call the cultural wars. Where we decided

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<v Speaker 2>to have cultural wars into our schools, we lost and

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<v Speaker 2>our kids paid the price for it. Don't worry about

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom access. Start worrying about classroom excellists. You'll find out

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<v Speaker 2>that's where parents are. Stop talking about defunding police and

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<v Speaker 2>start talking about better policing. That's where the residents of

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<v Speaker 2>all major cities and counties and communities are. Stop worrying

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<v Speaker 2>and debating with your college faculty lounge on whether the

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<v Speaker 2>term latinix applies nobody cares. Start talking about what matters

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<v Speaker 2>to people that their kids get a college education. I

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<v Speaker 2>have thirty thousand dollarsand dead are living now in the basement,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're not having your best years and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>having their best years. Your healthcare you spend. Your doctor

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<v Speaker 2>says X and your insurance company says X minus. Come on,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where the world is today. Have focus on it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not that hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the unapologetic progressivism democratic socialism of Zoron Mamdani. Challenge

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<v Speaker 1>that view, though, what happens if Democrats go full liberal

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<v Speaker 1>or is liberalism dead?

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<v Speaker 2>Joe? I mean, let me just say this. The same

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<v Speaker 2>day that this autopsy came out, which again I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to use for cat litter, and I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a cat. The New York Times have wrote had a

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<v Speaker 2>poll of just Democratic primary voters. They told you what

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<v Speaker 2>the Manhattan is, the two poles set of twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred primary Democrats, and what the third way? Fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic polls in one all three fifty percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>voters in the primary self describe or want a more moderate,

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<v Speaker 2>pragmatic nic which helps you get independent. Only twenty five percent,

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<v Speaker 2>that is less than two to one, want us to

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<v Speaker 2>go quote unquote left. They want us to be quiet

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<v Speaker 2>and be more mainstream on immigration, on crime, on transissue,

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<v Speaker 2>and what I call the cultural landscape where we made

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves look like a caricature of a stereotype of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>That so, when you say to me, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>say this to everybody that covers the lad left, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact is in politics, sound is not always fury. Do

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that there's more sound in and around the

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<v Speaker 2>cultural left and the quote unquote progressives, Yes, but look

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<v Speaker 2>at what primary voters are telling you about themselves. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you historically, in the party, when we

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<v Speaker 2>are out of power, you know what the number one

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<v Speaker 2>geological check that people care about. It's not left or center,

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<v Speaker 2>it's winning. Winning, that's our primary.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to have this conversation with you in an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity where we can see each other and spend some time. Manual,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining. That's all right, We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out because I'll come find you. We'll do

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<v Speaker 1>what we have to do. I want to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this and spend some time with Ram

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<v Speaker 1>and Manuel here are on balance and power. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for chiming in.