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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have up there right now. Which wins more games,
Speaker 4: gut feelings or analytics? Gut feeling running away with that
Speaker 4: one still well over seventy percent. And which would NFL
Speaker 4: fans prefer in the new coach of their team, the
Speaker 4: hot young assistant or the older established coach. Hot young
Speaker 4: assistants dominating okay, of course, and do we have a
Speaker 4: poll question for the final hour. We have a couple
Speaker 4: of here from Todd that are very funny, but one
Speaker 4: of them was, and I'm not sure what kind of
Speaker 4: commentary he's making here, but how often do you think
Speaker 4: a sporting event is fixed?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: Very often?
Speaker 4: Every once in a while or never?
Speaker 2: When is the last time you thought something was fixed?
Speaker 6: Not very recently.
Speaker 7: I was more having fun with that poster of showing
Speaker 7: the two quarterbacks that just happened to make in the
Speaker 7: Super Bowl. The coincidence of this NFL post that everybody's
Speaker 7: in the whole world is talking about, how do they
Speaker 7: have their two quarterbacks playing in the Super Bowl? Right
Speaker 7: at the very front of this NFL posted next to
Speaker 7: the Lombardi Trophy.
Speaker 3: So people would be willing to go to jails what
Speaker 3: you're saying, Sure it's topping before to fix a game.
Speaker 7: There's currently things going on right now in the news
Speaker 7: with the allegations and point shaving and all.
Speaker 5: Kinds of stuff.
Speaker 7: Okay, I would have I would go every once in
Speaker 7: a while.
Speaker 5: I won't say never, but i'll say everyone at.
Speaker 2: We've been talking analytics.
Speaker 3: We've been talking analytics since the Denver Broncos fourth and
Speaker 3: one call, those who were all in on going forward
Speaker 3: at fourth and one and those who thought he should
Speaker 3: kick the field goal in that situation. Sam Schwarzstein does
Speaker 3: this for a living Amazon Prime, the football analytics expert there.
Speaker 3: When did analytics become a bad word here in sports?
Speaker 6: I don't know. For me, it's always been a good word.
Speaker 8: When I was playing at Stanford, we used it a
Speaker 8: ton on decision making, mostly from a team tendency point
Speaker 8: of view. But I think what happened when early two
Speaker 8: thousands when teams started changing how they approached the decision
Speaker 8: making process, and we're using what has been popularized from
Speaker 8: the hitting game of football, which is a based off
Speaker 8: of a lot of the hitting game of baseball, where
Speaker 8: we're able to find that field position can contribute a
Speaker 8: lot to what you're likely to do next or predict
Speaker 8: out the future scenarios and how much harder it is
Speaker 8: to play from inside your own five. And you know,
Speaker 8: with the dawna football three points two field goal possessions
Speaker 8: is actually worse than one touchdown possession with the seven points,
Speaker 8: and that changing a lot of how we can approach
Speaker 8: the math of a game. I think probably the early
Speaker 8: to late twenty tens is when it started to shift
Speaker 8: and become a big thing that and anytime you change
Speaker 8: it's gonna cause some friction.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 3: Just feels like if we said probability, people wouldn't have
Speaker 3: as much of a problem as analytics sounds like I'm
Speaker 3: smarter than you as opposed to probability.
Speaker 2: I don't know. We don't recoil when we hear probability.
Speaker 8: You're hitting the nail on the head. And a large
Speaker 8: part of the decision making process in analytics, as you say,
Speaker 8: is the conversion probability, right, and that fourth and one
Speaker 8: the next Gen Stats model had a sixty five percent
Speaker 8: to convert, but when you look at it from a
Speaker 8: run versus pass scenario, was seventy percent on the run
Speaker 8: and fifty five percent on the pass. And they choose
Speaker 8: to call it pass play, right, So it's changing the
Speaker 8: math based on the play call. I think that's what's
Speaker 8: hard when you have these public models like the Next
Speaker 8: Gen Stats model or different models that can often come
Speaker 8: up with different solutions.
Speaker 6: We're never going to have.
Speaker 8: All the information that the team has, but what these
Speaker 8: models can do is help inform how should you game plan?
Speaker 8: When I used to consult with teams, I would say,
Speaker 8: just like you have a third down period, you should
Speaker 8: start thinking about having a fourth down period and new
Speaker 8: play designs, things like the Tush push come out of it.
Speaker 8: At Stanford we had a ninety five percent conversion rate
Speaker 8: on short yardage one. I moved the ball forward a
Speaker 8: yard and a half typically until Notre Dame found out
Speaker 8: and then or on the other side of it was
Speaker 8: we had a unique play design looked a lot like
Speaker 8: the tush push.
Speaker 6: We call it sixty four lead dive.
Speaker 8: When we're running behind David DeCastro and handing the ball
Speaker 8: off to guys like Steffan Taylor, it's gonna convert, and
Speaker 8: so it changes the math and the problem the conversion probability,
Speaker 8: and you need to focus on mostly, Hey, here's a
Speaker 8: guiding principle on how you should approach forth down. But
Speaker 8: the conversion probably is so important. And what I would
Speaker 8: consult with teams is all about it's conversion probably is
Speaker 8: not real, It's what's happened before in the similar situations.
Speaker 8: It's how confident are you in your play call in
Speaker 8: that scenario.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm trying to understand this Sam, that the
Speaker 3: game is fluid. It's can I upgrade my analytics during
Speaker 3: a game that's going to factor in Their defensive line
Speaker 3: is better than we thought. The wind is whipping up,
Speaker 3: the weather is coming in. You already are factoring in
Speaker 3: Jared's Stidham into this equation before the game.
Speaker 2: But how do you upgrade during a game.
Speaker 8: That's a big part of what teams do. So the
Speaker 8: teams will you'll often hear people go go buy the book. Well,
Speaker 8: they actually print out a book based on what they
Speaker 8: think the game will be like and what scenario they're
Speaker 8: in to help guide their decision. And you look old
Speaker 8: school with the slide role looking for the situation. Go okay, coach,
Speaker 8: if we get to fourth and two or less here,
Speaker 8: we should go for it. He says that typically the
Speaker 8: analytics expert him or her will say that on around
Speaker 8: the first down, once they cross the fifty end special scenarios,
Speaker 8: maybe sometimes in their own territory, and they're giving that
Speaker 8: feedback on first down.
Speaker 6: So what you know to do on fourth down.
Speaker 8: And so what happens with the update is if you've
Speaker 8: predicted this to be a shootout and no one's moving,
Speaker 8: the ball kind of got to start going off a
Speaker 8: field there right, Or if you've an entered a scenario
Speaker 8: fourth and four and you've already used all your really
Speaker 8: good fourth and fourth place and they have a bead
Speaker 8: on what you're doing on fourth and four, that might
Speaker 8: change your confidence in your conversion probability in those scenarios
Speaker 8: and ultimately in these fourth ones, and you're gonna get
Speaker 8: models telling you to go for it. You really need
Speaker 8: to have the QB sneak involved because that changes the
Speaker 8: math so much that if you QB sneak on fourth
Speaker 8: and one, it has a conversion probably in league wider
Speaker 8: on seventy two percent. We know the push push and
Speaker 8: Josh Allen is different and better. If you don't, even
Speaker 8: if you run the ball, it's still around a fifty
Speaker 8: four percent conversion prop. So it changes the math based
Speaker 8: on that play design. So if those plays aren't working
Speaker 8: and you have to move off of it, it's just
Speaker 8: as valuable as the weather changing or hey, we expected
Speaker 8: something out of this drake may offense that they're not
Speaker 8: performing that way.
Speaker 6: It might change our decision making.
Speaker 3: But if I have analytics and you have analytics, chances
Speaker 3: are they're gonna sync up. I know what you're doing
Speaker 3: and you know what I'm doing. Don't they cancel each
Speaker 3: other out?
Speaker 8: No, because of how valuable field position is, and it's
Speaker 8: why we're seeing lower scoring games, shorter games, and fewer drives.
Speaker 8: When I did the rule book at the XFL, it
Speaker 8: was twelve twelve and a half drives per game. It's
Speaker 8: down to eleven drives per game. That might have seen
Speaker 8: them a lot, but that's one fewer scoring opportunity because
Speaker 8: we're having longer drives and you're starting in.
Speaker 6: Different field position spots.
Speaker 8: You know, as good as the dynamic kickoff is helping
Speaker 8: teams start closer, failed fourth down conversion inside the five,
Speaker 8: you don't see those points on the scoreboard, but when
Speaker 8: you look at the expected points, teams score only probably
Speaker 8: three percent of the time when they start inside their
Speaker 8: on five yard line. So it changes. Oh okay, now
Speaker 8: you're likely to get the ball back in scoring position.
Speaker 8: And that's what's going through the mind of Sean Payton,
Speaker 8: because hey, even if I don't fail here, my defense
Speaker 8: is playing great, I'll still likely get the ball.
Speaker 6: Back on my own forty, which is a great spot
Speaker 6: to start.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. What would you have done in the moment?
Speaker 3: What did you say in the moment on the fourth
Speaker 3: in one call by the Broncos.
Speaker 6: Well, I was on a plane to London. That's where
Speaker 6: I'm doing this call from. Right now.
Speaker 8: We started our innovation process, so I was on game cast,
Speaker 8: couldn't get the game streaming, but I probably go forth there.
Speaker 8: It depends on the game plan. Jared Stidham.
Speaker 6: They felt confident his running ability.
Speaker 2: I hate that call, though, Sam I hate it too.
Speaker 8: I would rather him have his own read or something.
Speaker 8: But to me, I'm basing a lot of my fourth
Speaker 8: and one decision off of QB sneak, and I really
Speaker 8: want to have it. It's why I love the teams
Speaker 8: that use the giant tight end to go in and
Speaker 8: do it, because you're not contingent on the quarterback or
Speaker 8: putting the quarterback in danger to do it. An Aj Barner,
Speaker 8: a Connor Hayward, those scenarios I would probably lean on.
Speaker 8: And when one of the beautiful things about next Gen
Speaker 8: stats is we actually see where the ball actually was
Speaker 8: on TV, you're just going to see it says fourth
Speaker 8: and one, it's actually fourth and one plus four or
Speaker 8: one point four yards. So because we're in that little
Speaker 8: it's not an integer. It's not a solid number on
Speaker 8: every time to go for it. That's probably why they
Speaker 8: wanted to call a bootleg. But I also don't like
Speaker 8: the call. When I would do the rules of the XFL,
Speaker 8: I never would tell the coaches what play to call
Speaker 8: because that's not my expertise. Right I have certain things
Speaker 8: I like to do, but I'm not a play caller
Speaker 8: or play a designer, and so I'm gonna lean on
Speaker 8: Sean Payton for what he wants to do. But he
Speaker 8: probably doesn't love the call either right now.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he does gut feeling over analytics.
Speaker 3: How do you balance that?
Speaker 8: I from my point of view, I lean heavily on
Speaker 8: the analytics, and that drives my gut feeling. If you
Speaker 8: watch Prime Vision with next gen stats, going to hear
Speaker 8: me talk about team tendencies and how they approach the game,
Speaker 8: very similar how I prepared for games, all driven by
Speaker 8: analytics and data. Where I think gut feeling can come
Speaker 8: in is the same thing about those numbers. If I
Speaker 8: know you aren't going to blitz from your numbers, it
Speaker 8: can be a tendency breaker and can beat me. If
Speaker 8: I know that you're doing a tendency breaker in game,
Speaker 8: I might change my thinking so I always.
Speaker 3: And the Patriots did something different though, because you had
Speaker 3: two linemen who came right through on that play and
Speaker 3: the defensive back could have had an interception. So they
Speaker 3: completely knew what was going on here exactly.
Speaker 8: And that's where they're lining up in a unique formation
Speaker 8: stop the sneak as well as give a tougher read
Speaker 8: to the quarterback. And I think that's where first half
Speaker 8: timeouts I don't really have too much. I'm not holding
Speaker 8: onto them as much LAMB for the second half timeouts.
Speaker 8: So if you see something funky, we talk about.
Speaker 6: That all the time at Prime.
Speaker 8: It's like when we have our red orbs show up
Speaker 8: and so than funky's going on, Like, hey, chill out
Speaker 8: a little bit, let's take a breather before you just
Speaker 8: really dive in.
Speaker 3: How much do you factor in the pressure of the
Speaker 3: game That regular season is one thing, playoff game and
Speaker 3: now Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 8: What happens in football is so much of the game
Speaker 8: is hinged on about six plays. We play have one
Speaker 8: hundred and thirty scrimmage plays per game, about one hundred
Speaker 8: and eighty plays total, and six plays may decide the game.
Speaker 8: Just like been at the poker's table. You can win
Speaker 8: over time playing small hands, but you get rich playing
Speaker 8: the big hands. You could also bust. And I think
Speaker 8: there's certain teams. If I'm a much better team and
Speaker 8: I feel much better at my confidence, I'm gonna be
Speaker 8: probably less likely to run more dangerous plays. Versus if
Speaker 8: I'm the underdog in that scenario, I'm probably gonna hedge higher.
Speaker 6: I'm putting all my chips on the table.
Speaker 2: Did you play for Jim Harball?
Speaker 6: I played three years for Jim and two years for
Speaker 6: coach Shaw David Shaw.
Speaker 2: Okay, hardball buy into analytics.
Speaker 8: Depends tendencies very much driven by it. So what Stanford
Speaker 8: we had under Greg Roman, he started this was to
Speaker 8: kill an alert system and it was all based on
Speaker 8: team tendencies and it all depended on what he thought
Speaker 8: his team could do.
Speaker 6: Great.
Speaker 8: We had Vic Fangio callin plays for us. Just think
Speaker 8: about that Stanford football team, like Vic Colin plays you
Speaker 8: had Andrew Luck. There was a funny meme from one
Speaker 8: of the message boards saying Sam Schwartzen was only non
Speaker 8: millionaire from that offense. You know go true, and I
Speaker 8: think you know that was a big focus on what
Speaker 8: they wanted to do, but we also had a stellar defense,
Speaker 8: and so he's bought in on anything that will help
Speaker 8: him win. And I think that's that's the big thing
Speaker 8: with him and Coach Shaw is a very similar way.
Speaker 8: People would hate when Coach Shaw would punt from opponent territory.
Speaker 8: But hey, we won a Rose Bowl, something Jim never did,
Speaker 8: you know, So it is a big big deal for
Speaker 8: how do I play it on my team strengths?
Speaker 3: But you also were cheating then, yeah, you would hike
Speaker 3: the ball that you moved it up right, So how
Speaker 3: do you move on and a half? Okay, how do
Speaker 3: you do that? And nobody's calling you on it?
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have to show you next week, hopefully you
Speaker 8: guys are in Santa Clara for San Francisco.
Speaker 6: But normally what I would do is, it's crazy, it's
Speaker 6: short yard, it's fourth down. Everyone's screaming going nuts. I
Speaker 6: would line up with my.
Speaker 8: Feet parallel on top of the ball, and as I'm
Speaker 8: calling the mic point out, I would just move the
Speaker 8: ball forward too, and I would move it out so
Speaker 8: I would extend my stands from my feet. In the
Speaker 8: Fiesta Bowl, I got two off sides penalties called on
Speaker 8: Oklahoma State to help us win the game because the
Speaker 8: officials were like, they're lined up off sides, but they
Speaker 8: lined up before I got set and so that's why
Speaker 8: they got called off sides.
Speaker 2: But Notre Dame busted you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Notre Dames. I remember being on the team plane
Speaker 8: and we landed. I'm pretty excited on captain and first class, excited.
Speaker 8: We're going a couple days early, and Coach Shaw says, hey, Samy,
Speaker 8: I need you to stand on the plane and I
Speaker 8: got to talk to you, and I'm nervous. What could
Speaker 8: this be? Did I flunk out of a class? I
Speaker 8: don't know what I did? Is like Notre Dame sent
Speaker 8: and thirteen clips that you moving the ball?
Speaker 6: Ford, we go fix it.
Speaker 8: And Sean Hockeley made sure to yell, I mean every
Speaker 8: single play that game and we lost in overtime, not
Speaker 8: that the scars are still there.
Speaker 3: Great stuff, Sam, Safe travels and hopefully we'll cross paths
Speaker 3: in San Francisco.
Speaker 6: How about going Thanks stream come true?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: Sam Schwarzstein, Thursday Night Football Analytics Expert.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Hopefully it gave you a little more definition, a little
Speaker 3: more clarity on that. But it's all about probability. But
Speaker 3: I still go back to what you know and what
Speaker 3: I know and your analytics how much different are they
Speaker 3: than what I have. We'll take a break more of
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Speaker 2: Wait really really, Okay.
Speaker 5: I got the invite. I'm gonna show up.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna talk about?
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Speaker 10: Starting this Sunday, the Lakers versus the Knicks.
Speaker 5: In my second home.
Speaker 2: Is everybody going to be available to play in that game?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: I hope so?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 5: Do you think what you mean? Because something blockbuster might.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'll get to that in a moment.
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure all hands, like, I
Speaker 3: never assume everybody's playing in a game now. It's it's unfortunate,
Speaker 3: but I hope that they do.
Speaker 10: It's not unfortunate, But isn't it sad? Isn't it said
Speaker 10: that you even have to think about that. I mean,
Speaker 10: we never thought about that back in the day. I
Speaker 10: don't want to go down this route of out what
Speaker 10: we did in my day. But it's sad that fans,
Speaker 10: like yourself, because I consider you a fan of the
Speaker 10: game as well, that fans would even be like, well,
Speaker 10: who's going to be playing? Is everyone going to be available?
Speaker 10: You just didn't think about those things back in the day,
Speaker 10: when you knew if someone had a legit injury, well
Speaker 10: you knew they weren't playing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, when there's four.
Speaker 10: Games and five nights, the availabilities of some stars, I
Speaker 10: don't know if you'll get them those four games in
Speaker 10: those five nights.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like Giannis's injury, he's out, He's out tonight, Yeah, tonight,
Speaker 3: But like four to six weeks is that? Does he
Speaker 3: play again for Milwaukee?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Look, I've been kind of scratching my head.
Speaker 10: If you are a Bucks fan and you live in
Speaker 10: the in the state of Wisconsin, could you have seen
Speaker 10: you this his last game in a Bucks uniform.
Speaker 5: I hope not.
Speaker 10: But look, there seems to be riding down the wall.
Speaker 10: He's open to being traded again. He has not come
Speaker 10: out and said, I want to be traded, but you
Speaker 10: hear the from the Buck side now that it may
Speaker 10: be beneficial from their end as well to clear the
Speaker 10: books and close this chapter.
Speaker 5: Again, we don't know. This is all talk.
Speaker 10: This is all people just throwing out ideas and you know,
Speaker 10: coming up with rumors.
Speaker 5: And so forth. But we know he won't be playing tonight.
Speaker 10: What we do believe because Joelle and Paul George didn't
Speaker 10: play and that's thrilling loss last night for the Sixers
Speaker 10: versus the Hornets at one point, down fifty.
Speaker 5: At the end of three. I believe we will have
Speaker 5: Joe Well.
Speaker 10: And Paul or in attendance tonight well, but they got
Speaker 10: to make up the difference versus this under manned Milwaukee team.
Speaker 3: We've been talking in a lot of analytics related to
Speaker 3: the Broncos loss, and I'm curious when analytics came in
Speaker 3: to the NBA.
Speaker 5: I'd believe early to mid two thousands.
Speaker 10: I think right as I was basically retiring, I think
Speaker 10: people started to look at the stats more three versus two.
Speaker 10: That's when you started to get threes, free throws and layups.
Speaker 5: And the mid range game kind of started to become.
Speaker 10: A little bit more obsolete, and you started to play
Speaker 10: more in space and pace, so I would say around
Speaker 10: two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: Six seven, and then it just kind of took off from.
Speaker 3: There because you don't have to encourage somebody to take
Speaker 3: a three now, whereas when you were playing, you know,
Speaker 3: if somebody took three threes in a game or four,
Speaker 3: that felt like a lot. Now you might do that
Speaker 3: in the first quarter.
Speaker 5: Funny question. Hall of Fame coach.
Speaker 10: Arguably one of the best coaches I ever played for
Speaker 10: in Larry Brown.
Speaker 5: He used to look at me crazy when I was.
Speaker 10: Taking five to seven threes during that run from ninety
Speaker 10: four to when he left. I believe in ninety seven
Speaker 10: ninety eight, like he jumped all on me because I
Speaker 10: was taking threes.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was like living.
Speaker 10: I just wonder what he would think about in today's
Speaker 10: games where I mean, and it's not so much to me.
Speaker 5: It's who's taking yes, yes.
Speaker 10: I mean, you've got sinners power. Everyone's taking threes. It
Speaker 10: just is not the point guard or the shooting guards.
Speaker 10: It's I mean, I think coaches are taking threes now
Speaker 10: from the bench.
Speaker 3: I go back to Rick Bettino at Providence when Billy
Speaker 3: Donovan was one of his players. Rick is one of
Speaker 3: the first coaches who ever embraced the three because he
Speaker 3: had a small lineup and he shot the three. And
Speaker 3: then I go back to Paul west Head at Loyla Marymount.
Speaker 3: They were going to run you and they'll give you
Speaker 3: your two, but they're gonna come down and shoot the three.
Speaker 3: Like these are two legendary moments coaching moments in history
Speaker 3: and how they've affected the game.
Speaker 5: I think we also have to throw Don Nelson in
Speaker 5: there as well. Run TMC.
Speaker 10: They were kind of ahead of their schedule with Chris
Speaker 10: mal and Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Sharunas Marcelonis.
Speaker 3: And also he didn't have to have a big man either.
Speaker 3: He was the first coach who said, I don't need
Speaker 3: to have six' eleven seven. Footer my center can be
Speaker 3: six to.
Speaker 10: Seven and they played small and they tried to run
Speaker 10: you off the, court they tried to outscore, you and they.
Speaker 10: DIDN'T i, mean they had some, success but not a great.
Speaker 10: Success AND i don't think that really caught on in the.
Speaker 10: Nineties but boy has to come full circle now when
Speaker 10: you look back at Those nelly teams and how they
Speaker 10: performed and think about the Success you know those teams
Speaker 10: had back in The Bay area as well when they
Speaker 10: upset that When dallas was the number one seed With
Speaker 10: dirk and all, that and you Had Baron, Davis Stephen,
Speaker 10: Jackson Matty, barnes those teams came full.
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Speaker 3: McClung no slam dunk. Contest why no four pt?
Speaker 5: Right that would be a four?
Speaker 2: Peak what is holding up his? Schedule maybe he turned it.
Speaker 3: Down, Well i'd get a guess that he, did BUT
Speaker 3: i mean that's what you're known.
Speaker 5: For three time. Winner he was looking for a four. Pete,
Speaker 5: yeah maybe he turned it.
Speaker 10: Down, look there's only so many dunks a human being
Speaker 10: can possibly. Do AND i give him credit because he's
Speaker 10: saved the dunk contest the last few. Years and if
Speaker 10: you're not gonna have big, names thank, God. Matt he
Speaker 10: brought the, funk as we call, it because he saved
Speaker 10: the dunk. Contest but, again you AND i have been
Speaker 10: down this. ROAD i think the three point competition has
Speaker 10: surpassed him BECAUSE i mean everyone's counting in the, arena
Speaker 10: you just don't. Know in the dunk, contest if a
Speaker 10: guy's gonna make a, dunk how many attempts he, Gets
Speaker 10: the luster comes off when he misses his first. Dunk
Speaker 10: at least in the three point, competition it's make or,
Speaker 10: miss and you know the.
Speaker 3: Number why can't we do The and we've discussed this
Speaker 3: that we have the old and the new in a
Speaker 3: three point shooting contest where you Have Del curry And Steph.
Speaker 3: Curry you, know you could be there With Klay, thompson
Speaker 3: are you And halliburton if he was. Healthy BUT i,
Speaker 3: mean it'd be kind of fun to embrace the past
Speaker 3: and the president in a three point shooting.
Speaker 5: CONTEST i would be on board with. That.
Speaker 10: THAT i, mean obviously us old timers would have to
Speaker 10: have some type of, handicap.
Speaker 5: But let the current day, players you, know do the bigger.
Speaker 10: Role BUT i would be on board with that because
Speaker 10: the last thing to ever, leave because you could get
Speaker 10: Are Craig hodges who can still, Shoot pejarstoyakovich who can still,
Speaker 10: Shoot Mark price who can still, shoot The Steve kirr
Speaker 10: can still. SHOOT i, mean it would be cool to
Speaker 10: kind of see some of these old timers and you
Speaker 10: pair them with the modern day three point gun.
Speaker 3: Slingers BUT i give you one rack reg like the
Speaker 3: old guys only have to do one. Rack so you
Speaker 3: get to pick your. Spot you, Know hodgs will be
Speaker 3: at the top of the. Key you might be in the,
Speaker 3: Corner Steve kerr at the top of the, Key paysia
Speaker 3: on the, wing.
Speaker 2: And you you just stand by Your we just do one.
Speaker 5: Rock you don't even have to. Move, No, oh, man
Speaker 5: sign me. Up what do you? Think, oh sign me?
Speaker 5: UP i would do that in a.
Speaker 3: Heartbeat, yes, Yes Derrick rose got his jersey.
Speaker 2: Retired uh is he going to The hall Of?
Speaker 10: FAME i would be Surprised if he. Doesn't he will
Speaker 10: be the ONLY mvp not to be in The hall Of.
Speaker 2: Fame, man if he didn't give me.
Speaker 10: A first, BALLOT i doubt he'll be first. Ballot but
Speaker 10: he'll get in at some. Point but for a six
Speaker 10: to eight year stretch he was him And lebron were
Speaker 10: battling for who was the best player in the game
Speaker 10: and the YOUNGEST. MVP i would be. Surprise at some
Speaker 10: point he's going to get. In all the MVPs get.
Speaker 2: In, man he was a.
Speaker 5: Thing, Hey i've said this on numerous.
Speaker 10: Occasions WHEN i first started on this side of the
Speaker 10: aisle and calling, GAMES i would. PAY i WOULD i
Speaker 10: would have paid to watch him. Play he was so.
Speaker 10: Electrifying and his demeanor because he wasn't one of those
Speaker 10: cocky kind of, guys but he exuded confidence and it
Speaker 10: just permeated because he you, know he let the other
Speaker 10: guys Because Joe King noah was the guy who was
Speaker 10: like cocky and, flash he doing all the, talking And
Speaker 10: loue All dan was you, know, quiet.
Speaker 5: Kind of like D.
Speaker 10: Rose Coach thibbs just had those. Guys oh, MAN i
Speaker 10: would have paid money to Watch Derrick.
Speaker 5: Rose, see he was that.
Speaker 2: Electrified but and it's weird to say this.
Speaker 3: That he may mean more To chicago because he was
Speaker 3: local Than Michael. Jordan Like jordan gave you the, titles
Speaker 3: gave me all of, that But Derek rose local one
Speaker 3: of your own in becoming A LEAGUE, mvp and you,
Speaker 3: know A hall Of famer.
Speaker 5: Born In bred at some.
Speaker 10: Point that's Why lebron was so loved and then became
Speaker 10: so hated because he was born In bred In, ohio
Speaker 10: play high school and was obviously drafted by them and
Speaker 10: then they felt betrayal when you know he left and
Speaker 10: took his talents To South, beach but made up for
Speaker 10: it by.
Speaker 5: Coming back and winning.
Speaker 10: Them you, know they're only, championships so you're right when
Speaker 10: in terms of pecking, order, Yes Michael, jordan he has
Speaker 10: all the, accolades. Fantastic but to, me the two PEOPLE
Speaker 10: i will always think about In chicago number One Derrick
Speaker 10: Rose Isaiah thomas. TOO i, mean when you think Of
Speaker 10: chicago basketball a lot of.
Speaker 5: Times his name doesn't get.
Speaker 10: Mentioned isaiah needs to be mentioned as one of the
Speaker 10: Great chicago athletes of all.
Speaker 3: Time are The lakers a? Threat, like what's the threat
Speaker 3: level for them right? Now without making any?
Speaker 10: Moves, WELL i think everyone's holding their cards right now
Speaker 10: because they want to see what's going to happen With
Speaker 10: giannis and what's going to happen With Jah moran and
Speaker 10: some of These Anthony. Davis you, know these are names
Speaker 10: that everyone assumes are going to be. Traded SO i
Speaker 10: think The lakers are kind of keeping their cards close
Speaker 10: to the.
Speaker 5: Vests are the a?
Speaker 10: THREAT i, mean When luca's going to be put up
Speaker 10: forty six a, Night, yeah they'll always have a puncher's
Speaker 10: chance if this was a heavyweight. Fight, yes they will
Speaker 10: always have a puncher's chance because of this playmaking and
Speaker 10: the scoring Of luca and having one of the all
Speaker 10: time greats In lebron on your.
Speaker 5: Team so there's your puncher.
Speaker 10: Chance the problem is when you get locked into a,
Speaker 10: series things start to get taken away and things.
Speaker 5: Start to get. Exposed that's where they're going to run into.
Speaker 3: Problems you, Know Rich paul doining his podcast With Max
Speaker 3: kellerman and then, Says, hey If i'm running The, LAKERS
Speaker 3: i Trade Austin reeves AND i try to Get Jaron Jackson.
Speaker 3: Jr you can't say that without us reading Into you
Speaker 3: have to have had this conversation with your Client Lebron james.
Speaker 10: Correct, yes, Yeah AND i, Look lebron has come out
Speaker 10: and said all the right things that he doesn't speak for,
Speaker 10: me and that's his he's saying all the right.
Speaker 5: Things but, look they're. Boys that's my. Agent we've. Had,
Speaker 5: yes they've had this conversation.
Speaker 10: Before but if You're Rich, paul you can't do it
Speaker 10: because NOW i, look If i'm ar And i'm looking at,
Speaker 10: It i'm looking at, like, really this is how this
Speaker 10: is how you think of, me you, know, So i'm
Speaker 10: sure he's taking this time coming back, too having known
Speaker 10: whether he said NOW i know he's supposed to play
Speaker 10: on This, uh hopefully he'll play in That sunday Night
Speaker 10: Sunday night. Game that would be great for him to
Speaker 10: make his. Debut but if you're, Rich, paul you can't do.
Speaker 5: It you can't say That.
Speaker 2: Nick's gonna Trade Karl Anthony.
Speaker 5: TOWNS i don't think.
Speaker 2: So would you trade him depends.
Speaker 5: On What i'm getting.
Speaker 10: BACK i wouldn't because the way the game is played,
Speaker 10: today you've got to have bigs that stretched the, floor
Speaker 10: check rebound, check he averages a double. Double he's just
Speaker 10: got him And Mike, Brown Jalen. Brunson they've got to
Speaker 10: figure this. Out and this is no fault TO. Jb,
Speaker 10: brunson BUT i think he asked he's gonna probably have
Speaker 10: to bring help bring catalong here because it's just to
Speaker 10: night and day from what we saw just a year,
Speaker 10: ago twenty four and Thirteen ALL Nba All star and
Speaker 10: then just the struggles he's having this year is just
Speaker 10: is mind. Blowing AND i Think brunson is going to
Speaker 10: have to help ring him.
Speaker 2: Along have fun tonight good to talk to.
Speaker 6: You aboud.
Speaker 10: Him it's always a pleasure to talk to. You theodore
Speaker 10: and My dannat's miss, you.
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Speaker 3: Live steelers will Welcome mike McCarthy in a couple of.
Speaker 3: Hours Mark, schlereth the former offensive lineman for The, broncos
Speaker 3: was on yesterday and he kind of stirred up the
Speaker 3: internet when he talked about his dislike of.
Speaker 2: Analytics.
Speaker 13: Yeah, dan you know it's really. FUNNY i get into
Speaker 13: arguments BECAUSE i hate. ANALYTICS i hate all analytics. PEOPLE
Speaker 13: i don't like, Nerds AND i always get into this with.
Speaker 13: Guys you like the two point conversion play and we
Speaker 13: got to go for it on fourth down and all this,
Speaker 13: stuff and you, know you get the sample size of.
Speaker 13: Data but, hey, man IF i haven't blocked your defensive
Speaker 13: front all day, long.
Speaker 5: Right that data.
Speaker 13: Changes if my guards can't handle your three, techniques if
Speaker 13: my tackles can't handle your defensive, ends then we need to.
Speaker 5: Change like.
Speaker 13: That math doesn't. Work math has never made a. Tackle
Speaker 13: math has never blocked. Anybody math has never done any
Speaker 13: of that.
Speaker 3: Stuff yeah That's Mark, schlereth who retired in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Games changed an awful.
Speaker 3: Lot and if you change the word to, PROBABILITY i
Speaker 3: don't think people would have anywhere near the. Problem you,
Speaker 3: know the old school, People Mark, Schlareth Michael, wilbon they hear,
Speaker 3: analytics they, think, oh those aren't sports.
Speaker 5: Guys it's.
Speaker 3: Okay there are a lot of coaches managers who weren't
Speaker 3: good at good, athletes good enough athletes to play in
Speaker 3: THE nba or baseball or, football but they're smart people
Speaker 3: and when you get to that, level it certainly helps being.
Speaker 2: Smart.
Speaker 3: Uh richard In. Tucson Hey, Richard.
Speaker 12: Hey, dan thanks for taking my. Call you, Know i've
Speaker 12: been listening to analytics for a long time And I've
Speaker 12: i've never heard it frame this. WAY i see analytics
Speaker 12: as simply a tool in the, toolbox and all craftsmen
Speaker 12: have basically the same. Tools but it's the master craftsman
Speaker 12: that knows what tool to, use when to use, it
Speaker 12: and how to use. It and that's, that to, me
Speaker 12: is where it all boils down.
Speaker 5: To thank.
Speaker 3: You that's simplifying. It, Richard thank. You let's See dane In. Texas,
Speaker 3: dane thanks for holding what's on your?
Speaker 14: Mind, hey good Morning. Dan i've got two victories for
Speaker 14: a gut feeling the beat, analytics and they're beautiful. Examples
Speaker 14: plus one game that you AND i both know was. Fixed.
Speaker 14: Okay the victory of the gut feeling starts with a
Speaker 14: game of, chess and that Was game six of The
Speaker 14: World championship Against fisher And. Spassky, apparently In game, Six
Speaker 14: fisher used an unorthodox move called The english, opening and
Speaker 14: he knew That spaski's team would not have rehearsed a
Speaker 14: response to, that so by going you, know contradictory or
Speaker 14: maybe more against the. Grain, yeah he Beat. Spaski and then,
Speaker 14: oh and then the rumble in the. Jungle remember when
Speaker 14: All lee went on the.
Speaker 6: Ropes he rope it.
Speaker 14: Round, oh we thought we were watching it on closed,
Speaker 14: circuit my, dad and we thought he was. Dead and
Speaker 14: then right around round, five my dad, said, nah he tricked.
Speaker 3: HIM i thought that they were going to stop the.
Speaker 3: FIGHT i thought That alli was taking that much of
Speaker 3: a punishment that you, know he was getting, brutal.
Speaker 2: BRUTALIZED i thought they were going to stop the. Fight
Speaker 2: but what else do you have to?
Speaker 5: Say?
Speaker 2: Game, oh and.
Speaker 14: This remember you'll remember this. Game and this is one
Speaker 14: game THAT i. CRIED i was so. Frustrated the nineteen
Speaker 14: seventy Two Olympic, games the gold medal basketball game The
Speaker 14: United states And. Russia those they fixed that.
Speaker 5: Game that was.
Speaker 3: Fixed, well they kept trying to fix the outcome because
Speaker 3: they would be like they were giving The Soviet union
Speaker 3: like three, tries and they eventually scored to win the
Speaker 3: gold medal what a. Shame and, uh you, KNOW i
Speaker 3: applaud THE us team that SAID i don't want that
Speaker 3: silver because we earned the.
Speaker 2: Gold we don't want that silver.
Speaker 14: Medal.
Speaker 3: Uh let's see surge In. Oregon, hey what's, Up?
Speaker 2: Dan and that's that.
Speaker 6: Surgeon.
Speaker 4: Bro, Hey, dan the other DAY i heard you going
Speaker 4: along a little rant about The raiders should have Taken.
Speaker 14: Mendoza, Wow, Bro LIKE i think everybody a reader nation
Speaker 14: just got off their.
Speaker 2: No, no, no hold.
Speaker 3: ON i would consider all. Options, okay it that's WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Said you need more than just having a franchise, quarterback
Speaker 3: and you don't have the. Infrastructure there can be death
Speaker 3: for a young. Quarterback SO i, said what if somebody's
Speaker 3: gonna blow you, away if you're The, raiders would you consider?
Speaker 2: That AND i would.
Speaker 3: ABSOLUTELY i don't want to draft a quarterback and then
Speaker 3: build my own offensive. LINE i want to build my
Speaker 3: offensive line and then try to get my. Quarterback so
Speaker 3: that's that's WHAT i. Said so it's in.
Speaker 14: Context, Okay, yes so you did say, That, yes you
Speaker 14: actually did say.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 13: Dan you better start blowing real hard down BECAUSE i, mean,
Speaker 13: LIKE i, mean we have like one like one hundred
Speaker 13: and eighteen meal top.
Speaker 15: Three like most salary cap we go buy a couple
Speaker 15: pieces on the office and kind of have.
Speaker 3: That well you should have done that last year, Too, Yes.
Speaker 3: Pauli The Buffalo bills.
Speaker 16: Are finalizing a deal to MAKE Oc Joe brady their
Speaker 16: new head.
Speaker 15: Coach according To Adam, Schefter.
Speaker 2: Oh, see, Okay Joe, brady he was AT.
Speaker 15: Lsu he got a lot of run for The Joe.
Speaker 16: Burrow you're AT.
Speaker 3: Lsu, yeah, no he gets. Promoted, okay good for. Him,
Speaker 3: Uh bucky And Notre, Dame hey buck.
Speaker 17: Gp lef me turn our radio, down can you guys hear?
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 17: Yes and it's another blizzard up. Here BUT i was
Speaker 17: calling to find Out Notre dame usually does like three
Speaker 17: concerts a. Year they've already announced two of. Them do
Speaker 17: you know what your? Insight who the third concert? Is
Speaker 17: in the middle of? Summer and if it's a big
Speaker 17: band or a big older, band let's say rock, band
Speaker 17: won't you guys come back To Notre dame ado your show?
Speaker 2: Again, well who's the? Band?
Speaker 17: Well with your, insights do you know who it?
Speaker 10: Is?
Speaker 7: Yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm GONNA i can we?
Speaker 14: Guess?
Speaker 5: Yeah go?
Speaker 2: Ahead my guess Is Creed.
Speaker 17: BOY i hope you guys are right and by the,
Speaker 17: way six.
Speaker 2: Foot but you don't. Know, wait, WAIT i don't. KNOW
Speaker 2: i was calling you, Guys, ollie do.
Speaker 5: You have the.
Speaker 16: Answer i'm seeing That Luke colmbs with other country artists
Speaker 16: are playing There april, eighteen twenty twenty AC Dc september,
Speaker 16: fourth twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Six well those are, two he, said there's.
Speaker 15: THREE i don't have a third listed.
Speaker 2: Or a rumor of.
Speaker 3: One, well it could Be, Creed. Bucky, no we won't
Speaker 3: be coming back To Notre dame for that appear on
Speaker 3: the driven, Indeed, uh do you REALIZE i played golf
Speaker 3: With Scott, stapp the lead singer Of, creed and his
Speaker 3: Son jagger was just. BORN i remember his wife or
Speaker 3: girlfriend was bringing him onto the golf. Course AND i
Speaker 3: don't know How jagger's got to be twenty six twenty
Speaker 3: seven years of. Age i'm guessing maybe older than, that
Speaker 3: but he named his Son. Jagger do we feel a
Speaker 3: little smarter today than we did yesterday after we got
Speaker 3: the analytics?
Speaker 15: Update, NO i feel LIKE i understand What sam was talking. About, ish, okay.
Speaker 6: Maybe have more of an appreciation of.
Speaker 3: Everything, okay all, right that's, fine, fine we have The
Speaker 3: mike McCarthy, game the first cliche that is. Uttered that's
Speaker 3: in two hours from, now so we'll be by monitoring
Speaker 3: that and obviously a focal point for the show.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow i've never.
Speaker 4: Looked forward to A mike McCarthy press conference.
Speaker 5: More THAN i am.
Speaker 3: Today by the, way on this date in nineteen, seventy
Speaker 3: The steelers Selected Terry bradshaw with the first overall selection
Speaker 3: in THE nfl. DRAFT i was watching AN nfl draft
Speaker 3: Where Pete roselle is on the podium and he lights
Speaker 3: up a.
Speaker 2: Cigarette old School, Yes he's, like.
Speaker 3: Uh with the number one, pick And i'm, like what
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 2: Here fired up a? Heater todd would you learn?
Speaker 7: Today cowboys Fan robin and San antonio would love to
Speaker 7: see McCarthy when A Super bowl with the steel is
Speaker 7: just at.
Speaker 6: It To Jerry, Jones.
Speaker 2: Satan, woodler the analytics was, Right Marvin bucky doesn't.
Speaker 10: Know.
Speaker 15: Paul we're becoming smart.
Speaker 3: Guys thanks for the phone, calls, emails, tweets the all
Speaker 3: around support For Fritzie seat And Marv paula yours truly
Speaker 3: have a Great.
Speaker 2: Tuesday everybody