WEBVTT - Hour 3 – Sam Schwartzstein, Reggie Miller 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:04.440 Sports Radio. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:05.240 Final hour. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.039 In this Tuesday Dan and the Dan It's Dan Patrick Show. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.959 We will talk sports analytics. Coming up here momentarily. Also 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.680 Reggie Miller will stop by. Stat of the Day is 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.200 always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.639 cards of the program. NBA on NBC and Peacock every 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.720 Tuesday Primetime Coast to Coast Bucks and Sixers, and then 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.040 in the West the Clippers and the Jazz. It all 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.720 begins tonight eight eastern on NBC in Peacock. 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Hot young 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.160 assistants dominating okay, of course, and do we have a 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.760 poll question for the final hour. We have a couple 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.640 of here from Todd that are very funny, but one 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.840 of them was, and I'm not sure what kind of 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.600 commentary he's making here, but how often do you think 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.120 a sporting event is fixed? 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:22.520 What? 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:23.440 Very often? 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:24.839 Every once in a while or never? 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.640 When is the last time you thought something was fixed? 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:31.600 Not very recently. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.240 I was more having fun with that poster of showing 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.120 the two quarterbacks that just happened to make in the 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.880 Super Bowl. The coincidence of this NFL post that everybody's 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:40.640 in the whole world is talking about, how do they 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.160 have their two quarterbacks playing in the Super Bowl? Right 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.040 at the very front of this NFL posted next to 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:47.000 the Lombardi Trophy. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.080 So people would be willing to go to jails what 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.760 you're saying, Sure it's topping before to fix a game. 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.840 There's currently things going on right now in the news 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.400 with the allegations and point shaving and all. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:56.920 Kinds of stuff. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.360 Okay, I would have I would go every once in 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:00.760 a while. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.840 I won't say never, but i'll say everyone at. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.480 We've been talking analytics. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.280 We've been talking analytics since the Denver Broncos fourth and 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.720 one call, those who were all in on going forward 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.440 at fourth and one and those who thought he should 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.799 kick the field goal in that situation. Sam Schwarzstein does 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:28.280 this for a living Amazon Prime, the football analytics expert there. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.720 When did analytics become a bad word here in sports? 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.480 I don't know. For me, it's always been a good word. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.200 When I was playing at Stanford, we used it a 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:43.040 ton on decision making, mostly from a team tendency point 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.720 of view. But I think what happened when early two 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.280 thousands when teams started changing how they approached the decision 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.840 making process, and we're using what has been popularized from 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.200 the hitting game of football, which is a based off 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.120 of a lot of the hitting game of baseball, where 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.120 we're able to find that field position can contribute a 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.040 lot to what you're likely to do next or predict 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.520 out the future scenarios and how much harder it is 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.919 to play from inside your own five. And you know, 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.000 with the dawna football three points two field goal possessions 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.280 is actually worse than one touchdown possession with the seven points, 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.640 and that changing a lot of how we can approach 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.440 the math of a game. I think probably the early 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.640 to late twenty tens is when it started to shift 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.359 and become a big thing that and anytime you change 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:31.440 it's gonna cause some friction. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:31.800 There. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.080 Just feels like if we said probability, people wouldn't have 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.680 as much of a problem as analytics sounds like I'm 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.760 smarter than you as opposed to probability. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.640 I don't know. We don't recoil when we hear probability. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.560 You're hitting the nail on the head. And a large 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.960 part of the decision making process in analytics, as you say, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.080 is the conversion probability, right, and that fourth and one 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.000 the next Gen Stats model had a sixty five percent 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.920 to convert, but when you look at it from a 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.560 run versus pass scenario, was seventy percent on the run 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.120 and fifty five percent on the pass. And they choose 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.560 to call it pass play, right, So it's changing the 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.000 math based on the play call. I think that's what's 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.479 hard when you have these public models like the Next 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.080 Gen Stats model or different models that can often come 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:23.240 up with different solutions. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:24.520 We're never going to have. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.160 All the information that the team has, but what these 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.640 models can do is help inform how should you game plan? 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.320 When I used to consult with teams, I would say, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.120 just like you have a third down period, you should 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.440 start thinking about having a fourth down period and new 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.880 play designs, things like the Tush push come out of it. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.400 At Stanford we had a ninety five percent conversion rate 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.720 on short yardage one. I moved the ball forward a 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.479 yard and a half typically until Notre Dame found out 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.120 and then or on the other side of it was 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.040 we had a unique play design looked a lot like 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:52.599 the tush push. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:53.800 We call it sixty four lead dive. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.720 When we're running behind David DeCastro and handing the ball 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.240 off to guys like Steffan Taylor, it's gonna convert, and 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.039 so it changes the math and the problem the conversion probability, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.280 and you need to focus on mostly, Hey, here's a 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.719 guiding principle on how you should approach forth down. But 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.880 the conversion probably is so important. And what I would 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.560 consult with teams is all about it's conversion probably is 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.360 not real, It's what's happened before in the similar situations. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.919 It's how confident are you in your play call in 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:22.560 that scenario. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.040 Yeah, but I'm trying to understand this Sam, that the 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:31.760 game is fluid. It's can I upgrade my analytics during 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.640 a game that's going to factor in Their defensive line 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.320 is better than we thought. The wind is whipping up, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.560 the weather is coming in. You already are factoring in 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.440 Jared's Stidham into this equation before the game. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.000 But how do you upgrade during a game. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.400 That's a big part of what teams do. So the 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.240 teams will you'll often hear people go go buy the book. Well, 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.640 they actually print out a book based on what they 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.760 think the game will be like and what scenario they're 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.160 in to help guide their decision. And you look old 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.120 school with the slide role looking for the situation. Go okay, coach, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.280 if we get to fourth and two or less here, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.280 we should go for it. He says that typically the 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.400 analytics expert him or her will say that on around 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.520 the first down, once they cross the fifty end special scenarios, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.120 maybe sometimes in their own territory, and they're giving that 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.120 feedback on first down. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:18.880 So what you know to do on fourth down. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.560 And so what happens with the update is if you've 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.520 predicted this to be a shootout and no one's moving, 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.560 the ball kind of got to start going off a 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.080 field there right, Or if you've an entered a scenario 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.799 fourth and four and you've already used all your really 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.279 good fourth and fourth place and they have a bead 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.240 on what you're doing on fourth and four, that might 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.919 change your confidence in your conversion probability in those scenarios 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.880 and ultimately in these fourth ones, and you're gonna get 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.200 models telling you to go for it. You really need 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.560 to have the QB sneak involved because that changes the 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.159 math so much that if you QB sneak on fourth 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.640 and one, it has a conversion probably in league wider 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.440 on seventy two percent. We know the push push and 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.800 Josh Allen is different and better. If you don't, even 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.640 if you run the ball, it's still around a fifty 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.760 four percent conversion prop. So it changes the math based 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.320 on that play design. So if those plays aren't working 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.280 and you have to move off of it, it's just 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:16.480 as valuable as the weather changing or hey, we expected 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.200 something out of this drake may offense that they're not 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:20.080 performing that way. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:21.440 It might change our decision making. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:26.440 But if I have analytics and you have analytics, chances 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.960 are they're gonna sync up. I know what you're doing 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.120 and you know what I'm doing. Don't they cancel each 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:32.560 other out? 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.000 No, because of how valuable field position is, and it's 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.560 why we're seeing lower scoring games, shorter games, and fewer drives. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.800 When I did the rule book at the XFL, it 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.240 was twelve twelve and a half drives per game. It's 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.960 down to eleven drives per game. That might have seen 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.600 them a lot, but that's one fewer scoring opportunity because 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.680 we're having longer drives and you're starting in. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:54.960 Different field position spots. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.480 You know, as good as the dynamic kickoff is helping 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.040 teams start closer, failed fourth down conversion inside the five, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.560 you don't see those points on the scoreboard, but when 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.400 you look at the expected points, teams score only probably 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.440 three percent of the time when they start inside their 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.520 on five yard line. So it changes. Oh okay, now 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.720 you're likely to get the ball back in scoring position. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.560 And that's what's going through the mind of Sean Payton, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.200 because hey, even if I don't fail here, my defense 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.679 is playing great, I'll still likely get the ball. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.760 Back on my own forty, which is a great spot 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:24.160 to start. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.360 Okay, that's fair. What would you have done in the moment? 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.040 What did you say in the moment on the fourth 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.480 in one call by the Broncos. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:33.719 Well, I was on a plane to London. That's where 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:34.800 I'm doing this call from. Right now. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.360 We started our innovation process, so I was on game cast, 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.560 couldn't get the game streaming, but I probably go forth there. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.040 It depends on the game plan. Jared Stidham. 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.000 They felt confident his running ability. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.880 I hate that call, though, Sam I hate it too. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.480 I would rather him have his own read or something. 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.839 But to me, I'm basing a lot of my fourth 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.160 and one decision off of QB sneak, and I really 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.280 want to have it. It's why I love the teams 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.880 that use the giant tight end to go in and 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.240 do it, because you're not contingent on the quarterback or 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.320 putting the quarterback in danger to do it. An Aj Barner, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.960 a Connor Hayward, those scenarios I would probably lean on. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.720 And when one of the beautiful things about next Gen 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.679 stats is we actually see where the ball actually was 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.920 on TV, you're just going to see it says fourth 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.520 and one, it's actually fourth and one plus four or 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.400 one point four yards. So because we're in that little 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.880 it's not an integer. It's not a solid number on 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.400 every time to go for it. That's probably why they 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.560 wanted to call a bootleg. But I also don't like 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.560 the call. When I would do the rules of the XFL, 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.640 I never would tell the coaches what play to call 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.240 because that's not my expertise. Right I have certain things 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.040 I like to do, but I'm not a play caller 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.280 or play a designer, and so I'm gonna lean on 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:42.760 Sean Payton for what he wants to do. But he 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.559 probably doesn't love the call either right now. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.040 No, I don't think he does gut feeling over analytics. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:50.360 How do you balance that? 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.920 I from my point of view, I lean heavily on 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.679 the analytics, and that drives my gut feeling. If you 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.520 watch Prime Vision with next gen stats, going to hear 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.240 me talk about team tendencies and how they approach the game, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.480 very similar how I prepared for games, all driven by 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:11.120 analytics and data. Where I think gut feeling can come 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.960 in is the same thing about those numbers. If I 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.840 know you aren't going to blitz from your numbers, it 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.160 can be a tendency breaker and can beat me. If 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.199 I know that you're doing a tendency breaker in game, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.640 I might change my thinking so I always. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.160 And the Patriots did something different though, because you had 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.880 two linemen who came right through on that play and 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.880 the defensive back could have had an interception. So they 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.600 completely knew what was going on here exactly. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.160 And that's where they're lining up in a unique formation 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.320 stop the sneak as well as give a tougher read 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.200 to the quarterback. And I think that's where first half 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.360 timeouts I don't really have too much. I'm not holding 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.320 onto them as much LAMB for the second half timeouts. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.920 So if you see something funky, we talk about. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:57.560 That all the time at Prime. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.760 It's like when we have our red orbs show up 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.920 and so than funky's going on, Like, hey, chill out 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.280 a little bit, let's take a breather before you just 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:04.959 really dive in. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.080 How much do you factor in the pressure of the 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.040 game That regular season is one thing, playoff game and 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.000 now Super Bowl Sunday. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.640 What happens in football is so much of the game 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.480 is hinged on about six plays. We play have one 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.800 hundred and thirty scrimmage plays per game, about one hundred 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.000 and eighty plays total, and six plays may decide the game. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.400 Just like been at the poker's table. You can win 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.000 over time playing small hands, but you get rich playing 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.319 the big hands. You could also bust. And I think 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.000 there's certain teams. If I'm a much better team and 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.560 I feel much better at my confidence, I'm gonna be 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:46.200 probably less likely to run more dangerous plays. Versus if 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:50.040 I'm the underdog in that scenario, I'm probably gonna hedge higher. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:51.640 I'm putting all my chips on the table. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:53.720 Did you play for Jim Harball? 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.320 I played three years for Jim and two years for 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:57.280 coach Shaw David Shaw. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:02.600 Okay, hardball buy into analytics. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.800 Depends tendencies very much driven by it. So what Stanford 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.959 we had under Greg Roman, he started this was to 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.560 kill an alert system and it was all based on 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.280 team tendencies and it all depended on what he thought 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:15.920 his team could do. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:16.160 Great. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.160 We had Vic Fangio callin plays for us. Just think 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.319 about that Stanford football team, like Vic Colin plays you 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.200 had Andrew Luck. There was a funny meme from one 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.760 of the message boards saying Sam Schwartzen was only non 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:33.600 millionaire from that offense. You know go true, and I 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.920 think you know that was a big focus on what 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.520 they wanted to do, but we also had a stellar defense, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.120 and so he's bought in on anything that will help 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.040 him win. And I think that's that's the big thing 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:46.960 with him and Coach Shaw is a very similar way. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.160 People would hate when Coach Shaw would punt from opponent territory. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.560 But hey, we won a Rose Bowl, something Jim never did, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.800 you know, So it is a big big deal for 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.760 how do I play it on my team strengths? 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.560 But you also were cheating then, yeah, you would hike 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.280 the ball that you moved it up right, So how 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.120 do you move on and a half? Okay, how do 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.240 you do that? And nobody's calling you on it? 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.480 I'm gonna have to show you next week, hopefully you 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.439 guys are in Santa Clara for San Francisco. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.120 But normally what I would do is, it's crazy, it's 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.719 short yard, it's fourth down. Everyone's screaming going nuts. I 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:21.520 would line up with my. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.920 Feet parallel on top of the ball, and as I'm 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.920 calling the mic point out, I would just move the 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.600 ball forward too, and I would move it out so 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.120 I would extend my stands from my feet. In the 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.319 Fiesta Bowl, I got two off sides penalties called on 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.240 Oklahoma State to help us win the game because the 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.679 officials were like, they're lined up off sides, but they 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.199 lined up before I got set and so that's why 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.240 they got called off sides. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:45.520 But Notre Dame busted you. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.560 Yeah, Notre Dames. I remember being on the team plane 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.240 and we landed. I'm pretty excited on captain and first class, excited. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.120 We're going a couple days early, and Coach Shaw says, hey, Samy, 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.160 I need you to stand on the plane and I 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.560 got to talk to you, and I'm nervous. What could 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.319 this be? Did I flunk out of a class? I 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.920 don't know what I did? Is like Notre Dame sent 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.439 and thirteen clips that you moving the ball? 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.000 Ford, we go fix it. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.160 And Sean Hockeley made sure to yell, I mean every 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.959 single play that game and we lost in overtime, not 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:15.800 that the scars are still there. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.120 Great stuff, Sam, Safe travels and hopefully we'll cross paths 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.040 in San Francisco. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.120 How about going Thanks stream come true? 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:23.560 All right? 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.320 Sam Schwarzstein, Thursday Night Football Analytics Expert. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:28.680 That's good. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.760 Hopefully it gave you a little more definition, a little 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.480 more clarity on that. But it's all about probability. But 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.040 I still go back to what you know and what 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.000 I know and your analytics how much different are they 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.680 than what I have. We'll take a break more of 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.640 your phone calls. We make way for Reggie Miller. He'll 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.440 join us next year, Dan Patrick Show. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.320 Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.000 Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.280 on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.680 Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.240 Would mean a lot to have you join us on 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.760 our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.000 is the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.680 off of it. 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Noah 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:45.040 Eagle handles play by play with Reggie Miller and Reggie's 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.280 schedule to be a guest on The Tonight Show on 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:48.720 Thursday with Jimmy Fallon. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:55.720 Wait really really, Okay. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.280 I got the invite. I'm gonna show up. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:15:59.560 What are you gonna talk about? 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:06.440 I think we are previewing and highlighting Sunday Night basketball 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.760 in America. You know we are going to take that 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.520 time slot now now that football is coming to it. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:18.920 In Sunday Night basketball is beginning with my good friend 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.480 uh in, the legendary Mike Cherico and Jamal Crawford, so 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.000 three man gooths and. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:31.280 Starting this Sunday, the Lakers versus the Knicks. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:34.200 In my second home. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.560 Is everybody going to be available to play in that game? 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:39.040 Well? 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:39.720 I hope so? 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:40.480 Uh? 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:46.880 Do you think what you mean? Because something blockbuster might. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.160 No, no, no, I'll get to that in a moment. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.200 I just want to make sure all hands, like, I 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.840 never assume everybody's playing in a game now. It's it's unfortunate, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.520 but I hope that they do. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.160 It's not unfortunate, But isn't it sad? Isn't it said 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.640 that you even have to think about that. I mean, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.840 we never thought about that back in the day. I 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.160 don't want to go down this route of out what 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.880 we did in my day. But it's sad that fans, 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.879 like yourself, because I consider you a fan of the 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.400 game as well, that fans would even be like, well, 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.280 who's going to be playing? Is everyone going to be available? 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.960 You just didn't think about those things back in the day, 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.800 when you knew if someone had a legit injury, well 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:27.919 you knew they weren't playing. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.400 Yeah, but you know, when there's four. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.639 Games and five nights, the availabilities of some stars, I 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.600 don't know if you'll get them those four games in 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:37.720 those five nights. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:38.199 But I don't know. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:43.760 Like Giannis's injury, he's out, He's out tonight, Yeah, tonight, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.440 But like four to six weeks is that? Does he 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:47.840 play again for Milwaukee? 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:48.800 Yeah? 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.400 Look, I've been kind of scratching my head. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.399 If you are a Bucks fan and you live in 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.800 the in the state of Wisconsin, could you have seen 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.360 you this his last game in a Bucks uniform. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:05.000 I hope not. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.600 But look, there seems to be riding down the wall. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.760 He's open to being traded again. He has not come 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.600 out and said, I want to be traded, but you 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.520 hear the from the Buck side now that it may 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.679 be beneficial from their end as well to clear the 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.119 books and close this chapter. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.080 Again, we don't know. This is all talk. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.879 This is all people just throwing out ideas and you know, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.680 coming up with rumors. 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.840