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Speaker 1: As a point of information, the only call that I

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Speaker 1: We had numerous conversations over time, myself and John Lynch,

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Speaker 1: As far as Cleveland's concerned, talks were initiated by them

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Speaker 1: his initial offer piqued our interest, and away we went. Uh.

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Speaker 1: the question that everybody has, and after much discussion, we

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