Speaker 1: In this podcast, we're going to talk frankly but sensitively
Speaker 1: about issues some people might find disturbing, including rape and suicide.
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Speaker 2: In a previous episode of Shattering the System, we learned
Speaker 2: how Jammel Moore, a young black man, was found dead
Speaker 2: in the apartment of Ed Buck, a white man who
Speaker 2: knew how to navigate the ins and outs of West Hollywood.
Speaker 2: At first, Jammel's death was ruled an accidental overdose, and
Speaker 2: just five days later the case was closed. Then eighteen
Speaker 2: months later, another gay black man was found dead in
Speaker 2: the same apartment, Timothy Dean, also died of an overdose.
Speaker 2: Timothy was fifty five years old, and his friends say
Speaker 2: he had a lot of interests and was still very
Speaker 2: much full of life. He loved the game of basketball,
Speaker 2: for instance. He was a genuine athlete and basketball was
Speaker 2: something he loved and was good at. Something I find
Speaker 2: interesting about the world of West Hollywood is when you
Speaker 2: have a city full of gay folks, you start noticing
Speaker 2: them everywhere because in a place like this. Well, they're
Speaker 2: just all kinds of people. I remember a friend of
Speaker 2: mine came to visit and we went to a basketball court,
Speaker 2: you know, for a casual game of twenty one. Now,
Speaker 2: when we got to the court, which is kind of
Speaker 2: in the center of the most important part of West Hollywood,
Speaker 2: this court is just across the street from the LA
Speaker 2: Sheriff station than we have, and it's also a few
Speaker 2: yards from almost all of we Hoo's nightlife. I'll give
Speaker 2: you a more detailed tour of West Hollywood in a
Speaker 2: later episode, But when we got back to my apartment,
Speaker 2: he was so winded and tired, and he was even
Speaker 2: surprised that a basketball court in West Hollywood would be
Speaker 2: every single bit as competitive as one in South Central
Speaker 2: or the South Bronx or the South side of Chicago
Speaker 2: and Olid and Jonaman a lot of by Angela Blake Kerty.
Speaker 2: Basketball was really important to Timothy Day. He was a
Speaker 2: part of the National Gay Basketball Association the NNGBA, as
Speaker 2: well as the Land of the Basketball League.
Speaker 3: The Dude was inducted.
Speaker 2: Into the Gay Basketball Hall of Fame in two thousand
Speaker 2: and one, and he won a silver medal at the
Speaker 2: Paris Gay Games in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: Gay basketball has been around since the early nineties and
Speaker 4: a lot of these stories are just lost if they're
Speaker 4: not captured.
Speaker 2: That's Michael Thomas. He's a documentary filmmaker from Belgium. Sports
Speaker 2: and basketball in particular are a part of his life
Speaker 2: and work.
Speaker 4: So I live in Los Angeles myself since two thousand
Speaker 4: and eight, and also when I moved here, I also
Speaker 4: kind of came out as gay, and yeah, I've been
Speaker 4: involved in the LGBT community ever since, and I also
Speaker 4: play basketball in the Gay Basketball League.
Speaker 2: He's come close enough to Lebron James to get splashed
Speaker 2: with champagne after one of Lebron's championship wins.
Speaker 3: It's over, It's over. Pleave women if a city of.
Speaker 5: Champions once again.
Speaker 2: Among his documentaries is the film Game Face, about queer
Speaker 2: athletes and their quest for acceptance. It was through basketball
Speaker 2: that he learned about the life and death of Timothy Dean.
Speaker 4: Tim passed like first Jamel passed in twenty seventeen. Then
Speaker 4: people kept going over there, drugs kept happening in that apartment.
Speaker 4: Nothing was ever done. In twenty nineteen, Timothy Dean dies.
Speaker 4: Still nothing is being done. People keep going in and out.
Speaker 2: Michael had long wanted to do a documentary about basketball,
Speaker 2: He just never thought it would come about the way
Speaker 2: it did.
Speaker 3: He was already gathering interviews.
Speaker 2: Among his friends about the world of gay sports and
Speaker 2: basketball when Timothy Dean was found dead in the home
Speaker 2: of that Buck. Two different men entered bucks apartment and
Speaker 2: left in body bags. Michael could feel how much pain
Speaker 2: their mutual friends were at.
Speaker 4: There was a basketball tournament in Los Angeles with teams
Speaker 4: from all over the country.
Speaker 2: That came after the tournament, remember this is in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: there was an after party at a bar on Santa
Speaker 2: Monica Boulevard. Ironically, that bar was called Rage. Unlike other
Speaker 2: bars along Santa Monica Boulevard, this bar was decidedly non
Speaker 2: white and young. Rage, which has been closed and renamed,
Speaker 2: is literally keaty corner to the LA Shriff's office.
Speaker 4: Lots of friends of tim were there at that party,
Speaker 4: and the after party was at Rage, so not just
Speaker 4: people from basketball, but everyone was able to come in there.
Speaker 4: We were just surprised to suddenly see that ed Buck
Speaker 4: was in front of the entrance and was just coming in.
Speaker 3: Michael could not believe it. There at a bar was
Speaker 3: ed Buck.
Speaker 2: Two men died of overdoses in Buck's apartment in an
Speaker 2: eighteen month period, but he hadn't been charged in the
Speaker 2: deaths Ja Melmore was dead, Timothy Dean was dead, and
Speaker 2: walking into a bar full of Timothy Dean's friends is
Speaker 2: ed Buck.
Speaker 4: He had no shame to just stroll the streets of
Speaker 4: West Hollywood and look for his next victims in his eyes,
Speaker 4: like he didn't do anything wrong, But it was just
Speaker 4: incredible to see him there on the street. It's just
Speaker 4: so furiating, and there's nothing we could do.
Speaker 2: To everyone's surprise, ed Buck's coming in to chill at
Speaker 2: the bar.
Speaker 3: Did I say the bar's name was Rage.
Speaker 4: We had to hold people back as well because we
Speaker 4: didn't want them to get into it with ed Buck,
Speaker 4: because you know, we don't want.
Speaker 6: Our friends to end up in jail.
Speaker 4: And at Buck being being out, you know.
Speaker 3: Michael realized there was something he could do. He could do.
Speaker 2: A documentary film, Jammel and tim was released in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one. It looks into the lives of ed Buck's victims.
Speaker 7: Ed Buck is a predator that masqueraded around just to
Speaker 7: hunt down the bodies of black men, someone that was
Speaker 7: hiding in plain sight.
Speaker 4: I know that one of the biggest frustrations from friends
Speaker 4: and family is the difference of how the victims were
Speaker 4: portrayed and how ed Buck was portrayed. At Buck, his
Speaker 4: whole resume was being acknowledged in the press, everything that
Speaker 4: he has achieved, But with Jammel and tim all the
Speaker 4: worst things that they have done in life that was highlighted.
Speaker 4: And then it's very easy too, you know, for people
Speaker 4: to say like, oh, well, you know, prostitute this or
Speaker 4: like they deserved it, or drugs or you know, then
Speaker 4: it's very easy to blame or to like protect at bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like political donor sex worker. Yeah right, well,
Speaker 3: you know, not that that's a very.
Speaker 4: Correct it's it's yeah, the portrayal was day and night
Speaker 4: because that human aspect was left out and a lot
Speaker 4: of the portrayal. And I think if we create a
Speaker 4: human aspect that creates compassion and a reason why we
Speaker 4: should care about these.
Speaker 2: Stories, that human aspect that gets left out is what
Speaker 2: this podcast is here to do. Highlight what's been left out,
Speaker 2: the personal and professional of a man called Timothy Dean
Speaker 2: through the eyes of those who knew him and loved him.
Speaker 2: Like his friend Richard Martin.
Speaker 5: He was not a drug addict, he was not homeless.
Speaker 5: He never hurt a single person, and I think that
Speaker 5: that's sometimes is forgotten. I'll say this specially with white men.
Speaker 5: As soon as something scandal happens, white men have a
Speaker 5: tendency going. I don't know him, I don't know him.
Speaker 3: I don't know him. Who was Timothy Dean?
Speaker 2: Fashionista, baller, benefactor, red carpet afficionado. And why does the
Speaker 2: media only want to see him as a victim, a
Speaker 2: drug addict or a sex worker. In the rush to
Speaker 2: make news, often we don't pause to see the complex
Speaker 2: people behind the headlines.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why we're here.
Speaker 2: I'm your host Sinari Glinton, and this is Shattering the System,
Speaker 2: the true crime podcast that's about more than crime. Just
Speaker 2: because someone's life ends in tragedy doesn't mean their life
Speaker 2: is tragic. Today on the program, the life and Legacy
Speaker 2: of Timothy Dean, Shattering the System gets started after this message,
Speaker 2: this is Shattering the System, your host, Sinari and Glinton.
Speaker 6: Tim Dean was just larger than life. He had this
Speaker 6: personality that you knew when he entered a room. You
Speaker 6: knew that you knew how he loved you by the
Speaker 6: way that he treated you.
Speaker 2: That clip we just heard is from the documentary Beyond
Speaker 2: Ed Buck and in this episode we want to talk
Speaker 2: about the life and legacy of Timothy Dean. Recently, my
Speaker 2: producer Jonathan and I took a drive over the Hollywood
Speaker 2: Hills into the San Fernando Valley to meet with a
Speaker 2: good friend of Timothy Dean, Richard Martin.
Speaker 8: Richard.
Speaker 5: Yes, hey, how are you?
Speaker 8: I'm good? How about yourself?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 5: Sorry?
Speaker 2: We met Richard Barden at his home in Ta Luca Lake.
Speaker 2: He's a Hollywood talent manager, mainly of soap opera actors.
Speaker 2: You can see heads of actors all around his office,
Speaker 2: all faces that looks sort of familiar.
Speaker 5: Stelle Harris from Seinfeld and Missus potato Head.
Speaker 3: She was my first client.
Speaker 2: And there is a tour that is I mean that
Speaker 2: must be where something. There's a Missus potato Head from
Speaker 2: toy Starter.
Speaker 5: She signed the top of it and signed.
Speaker 2: Richard is one of Timothy Dean's closest friends. And as
Speaker 2: he shows me around, you can see there are a lot
Speaker 2: of photos.
Speaker 5: It's right in the right in here so yes, I
Speaker 5: got to fund all these. You know, my husband takes
Speaker 5: things away sometimes because I could be a little emotional
Speaker 5: at times with things.
Speaker 3: But he's tim and is this you Yeah, that was me.
Speaker 5: That's probably the time when I met Tim.
Speaker 2: In this picture, he looks like he's about in his thirties.
Speaker 2: Richard and Timothy met in the nineties at the Golden
Speaker 2: Gym in Hollywood. Timothy Dean was tall, had broad shoulders
Speaker 2: and an even broader smile. He was handsome, and when
Speaker 2: he wasn't on the basketball court, you just might see
Speaker 2: him sporting a well tailored suit with a variety of
Speaker 2: bow ties. And after they first met at the gym,
Speaker 2: Timothy and Richard remained friends and they sort of grew
Speaker 2: up together trying to figure out the workings of West
Speaker 2: Hollywood in the early aughts.
Speaker 3: And it's clear from.
Speaker 2: Our conversation that Timothy ding he really celebrated life.
Speaker 5: One of the things that I always knew every year
Speaker 5: is that his birthday wasn't his birthday, It wasn't a
Speaker 5: birth week, it was a birth month. He loved to
Speaker 5: celebrate his birthday. My husband and I threw his surprise
Speaker 5: fiftieth birthday party.
Speaker 3: And we pulled it off.
Speaker 5: How I don't know what we did. If you never
Speaker 5: met Jim, he was, you knew he was in the room.
Speaker 3: The thing is he could fill a room physically. He
Speaker 3: was athletic.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: They met at a gym.
Speaker 2: Timothy enjoyed all parts of Hollywood, though there was an
Speaker 2: air of mystery about him. For instance, Richard threw Timothy's
Speaker 2: fortieth and fiftieth birthday parties. After going through the math,
Speaker 2: Richard realized that the two parties were actually only seven
Speaker 2: years apart.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't really his fortieth. He it was his
Speaker 5: forty third. But when I found out, when I added
Speaker 5: things up to his fifty, I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: this can't be fifty since forty three was only seven
Speaker 5: years ago, and they lived with other girl. I like
Speaker 5: a party.
Speaker 2: Timothy Dean loved the party, and he loved being a
Speaker 2: part of Hollywood life. He had a daily access to glamour.
Speaker 2: He worked as a fashion consultant at Satsmith Avenue. Before that,
Speaker 2: it was Bloomingdale's and Beverly Hills. Those kinds of jobs
Speaker 2: put Timothy Dean at the very heart of what we
Speaker 2: might call the Hollywood industrial complex. Designers, stylist, celebrities would
Speaker 2: have all been among the people that he interacted with.
Speaker 5: We'd like to talk about reality television. We would talk
Speaker 5: about every Real Housewives. He had an opinion about everyone
Speaker 5: from Orange County to you know, the Real Housewives of
Speaker 5: New York.
Speaker 9: We were all shiny hood ornaments. We were all train wrecks.
Speaker 9: I know, we were all I've run with a fabulous
Speaker 9: circle of people, the New York Magazine and the Real
Speaker 9: Social I thought they were like, what the fuck? I
Speaker 9: was broken a studio park. We were all flawed.
Speaker 5: Tim always felt like he knew them, and he would
Speaker 5: be like, oh, did you He would miss VICKI did,
Speaker 5: and all the old girl she'd he would always want
Speaker 5: to talk to me about. And I fed into it.
Speaker 5: I love I did love it.
Speaker 3: What sense did you have with his family? Well, I
Speaker 3: had a different sense.
Speaker 5: Prior to I had met his sister and they weren't
Speaker 5: really fully understanding of of him being gay. And I
Speaker 5: felt that explained that they just didn't couldn't understand why this.
Speaker 3: Beautiful, you know.
Speaker 5: Man was gay and I don't. I honestly, to this day,
Speaker 5: I don't really think they fully understand that. I just
Speaker 5: don't think that they fully accepted him being gay.
Speaker 3: How did you see him deal with that?
Speaker 5: He came out to LA to become a totally different person,
Speaker 5: and did he succeed in parts of it?
Speaker 3: Yes and parts Now.
Speaker 5: I think he had demons in him that came back
Speaker 5: from honestly, and I don't really care because I've expressed
Speaker 5: this to his family. I just don't think that he
Speaker 5: ever felt fully embraced by his family.
Speaker 2: Tailor is oldest time. Timothy Dean would do what gay
Speaker 2: men do. He made his own family. He would help
Speaker 2: his friends start his management company, doing everything from working
Speaker 2: the phones to helping him find clients. And like so
Speaker 2: many imposing tall black men, Timothy Dean cared about his
Speaker 2: appearances and especially his clothes.
Speaker 3: I mean, he talked to those who knew him.
Speaker 2: He seemed to be on a constant self improvement streak.
Speaker 2: Toward the end of his life, He'd be baptized at
Speaker 2: the Megachurch one LA, and he would decide to get
Speaker 2: his college degree while in his forties, all signs of
Speaker 2: a man who was looking very much towards the future.
Speaker 5: I think one of the proudest moments of Timothy Dean's
Speaker 5: life is when he graduated from Senemon College two years
Speaker 5: He wore that cap and gown all night long, and
Speaker 5: he was so proud of himself that he finally accomplished that.
Speaker 5: Because he got no help from anybody. He did that
Speaker 5: on his own. He had no family to help him.
Speaker 5: He just decided that that's what he wanted to do.
Speaker 5: He wanted to actually better himself.
Speaker 2: He would get his college degree surrounded by his friends.
Speaker 2: He'd write about his accomplishment on Facebook that quote, this
Speaker 2: degree will not change the world, but it will be
Speaker 2: the first degree earned by anyone in my family. I'm
Speaker 2: Scenario Glinton. This is shattering the system. The True crime
Speaker 2: podcast that's about more men crowd, This is shattering the system.
Speaker 2: I'm Sinnari Glinton.
Speaker 3: That's Timothy Dane.
Speaker 2: You here happily clapping and talking a bit in a
Speaker 2: video clip shared by his friend Richard Martin, a video
Speaker 2: that was not shared with us by anyone. Is a
Speaker 2: part of Tim's life that the media widely reported on.
Speaker 2: It was his work as an adult film actor known
Speaker 2: by the name Whole Hunter, and many of the stories
Speaker 2: about Timothy Dane, there is a prudish way that his
Speaker 2: life is written about focusing on his work in porn
Speaker 2: and his sex work to the exclusion of everything else.
Speaker 2: And I think that this is a part of the
Speaker 2: story of Timothy Dean, the pearl clutching that's happened in
Speaker 2: relation to his sex work. I can't pretend to clutch
Speaker 2: my non existent pearls. As a gay man who's lived
Speaker 2: in multiple cities, I've known queer sex workers in Hollywood
Speaker 2: or West Hollywood. It's kind of hard not to know them.
Speaker 2: I have several friends who have done or do sex work,
Speaker 2: and ed Buck isn't alone having paid for sex. I have,
Speaker 2: and so have many other gay men. Now, I didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk about Timothy Dean's sex work in a vacuum.
Speaker 8: Hi. So my name is Alex Garner. I'm the director
Speaker 8: of Community Engagement and Impact. Global Impact is a global
Speaker 8: nonprofit working not to advance gay men's health and human rights.
Speaker 2: The reason we wanted to talk to someone like Alex
Speaker 2: Garner about sex work is that it's a reality of
Speaker 2: the story and how ed Buck was able to lure
Speaker 2: men to his home. It's one of the systems ed
Speaker 2: Buck used to target a marginalized group. As I talked
Speaker 2: to Alex Garner over a Zoom call. We touched on
Speaker 2: everything from the economics of sex work to the changing
Speaker 2: nature of gay dating. He could relate to the choices
Speaker 2: that Timothy being made.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think so much of it has to
Speaker 8: do with your relationship to sex, and your relationship to
Speaker 8: your body, and your relationship to the idea that someone's
Speaker 8: going to pay you money to have sex with them.
Speaker 8: And I would have friends that would ask me, oh,
Speaker 8: do you think I should do it? And I would say,
Speaker 8: if you feel psychologically that you can handle any of
Speaker 8: the issues that can come with it, and I mean
Speaker 8: issues largely around feeling internally shame and guilt around something
Speaker 8: that you're doing that's going to destroy you. Right, if
Speaker 8: you're doing a job, any job, and doing that job
Speaker 8: makes you feel makes you hate yourself, then that's not
Speaker 8: the job for you. And we have everything in our
Speaker 8: society and culture that reinforces this idea that if you're
Speaker 8: doing sex work, all these list of bad things about you,
Speaker 8: immoral and wrong and dirty and perverted. So if you're
Speaker 8: able to overcome those things and see it as simply
Speaker 8: another job, a job that you can enjoy, a job
Speaker 8: that you can be good at, then you can you
Speaker 8: can be successful. But if if unfortunately you're you aren't
Speaker 8: able to do that, you don't have the skills or
Speaker 8: the support to overcome or navigate that, then it can
Speaker 8: do harm.
Speaker 2: We don't know whether not Timothy Dane found fulfillment and
Speaker 2: doing sex scenes. We do know that money was tight.
Speaker 2: That's true of a lot of Angelino's. The average home
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles goes for a nine hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars or an eight hundred square foot apartment goes
Speaker 2: for an average twenty seven hundred dollars a month. And
Speaker 2: we all play those games. How much money would it
Speaker 2: take for you to cross some boundary? The key to
Speaker 2: what Timothy Dean and Jamel Moore could be manipulated, Gardner says,
Speaker 2: is they weren't economically vulnerable.
Speaker 8: If this person wasn't feeling economically vulnerable, they'd be less
Speaker 8: likely to say yes to that if they didn't really
Speaker 8: want to do it. Right, So we say yes to
Speaker 8: things all the time if we think it's going to
Speaker 8: make us more money. And we do that because we
Speaker 8: often are feeling economically vulnerable, right, whether it's in terms
Speaker 8: of housing or food or whatnot. So I think that's
Speaker 8: the other larger structural issue, is that if people didn't
Speaker 8: have to worry about those sorts of things, they would
Speaker 8: make very different choices. They would have very different boundaries
Speaker 8: when it comes to things like sex work, because those
Speaker 8: boundaries can move depending on how hungry you are.
Speaker 3: And that's perfectly reasonable.
Speaker 2: When you're worried about eviction or getting food and you
Speaker 2: see forty two thousand homeless people that's according to the
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, which are disproportionately black. Man,
Speaker 2: it's no surprise. Two men struggling to make ends meet,
Speaker 2: but do what they had to do.
Speaker 10: But at some point, you know, an interesting story is
Speaker 10: that he was contemplating having a child with the lesbian lady.
Speaker 3: That's Otavio today.
Speaker 2: He was Timothy Dean's last roommate, and the time that
Speaker 2: he knew Timothy, he saw him contemplating major life changes.
Speaker 2: Timothy had gotten a college degree in his forties, and
Speaker 2: Octavio says, when Timothy was in his fifties, he was
Speaker 2: thinking about having a child.
Speaker 10: And that was an interesting thing because I once came
Speaker 10: home at the time that maybe was not expected, and
Speaker 10: I sort of opened the door in the middle of
Speaker 10: a private moment.
Speaker 3: Of your gay roommate with a woman.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, yes, And you know clearly might have needed
Speaker 10: a little bit of additional stimulation because on TV there
Speaker 10: was a gay porn going on. I'm telling the story
Speaker 10: because what's interesting to me is that the man was
Speaker 10: really trying to find purpose in his life.
Speaker 2: The two men could not have been more different. There
Speaker 2: was a twenty year age gap and a difference in
Speaker 2: their sexualities, but Octavio says Timothy was someone that he
Speaker 2: genuinely came to care for. Octavio says Timothy's generosity helped
Speaker 2: him stay in La. Probably the most important gift that
Speaker 2: Timothy gave him was that he allowed him to live
Speaker 2: in his apartment off the books.
Speaker 10: He lived in this apartment with the rent control, and
Speaker 10: I was never on the lease. I should have been
Speaker 10: on the lease, you know, because by doing that they
Speaker 10: would have had a claim to raise the rent. So
Speaker 10: in order to allow me to live with you know
Speaker 10: this very convenient rent, et cetera, you know, we we
Speaker 10: sort of kept it among us.
Speaker 2: Timothy Dan could have charged market rent for Octavio, but
Speaker 2: instead charged him a ridiculously low amount O Tavio had
Speaker 2: never seen Timothy on hard drugs, so he had no
Speaker 2: idea what was in store for him when he got
Speaker 2: to the apartment that late January night. He had just
Speaker 2: gotten back from visiting his family in Bologna.
Speaker 10: So you know, I had the flight like early, like
Speaker 10: seven am from Bologna. My mom and my father drove
Speaker 10: me to the airport.
Speaker 2: From Bologna to lax fine economy can take twenty four
Speaker 2: hours easy.
Speaker 10: And then you get to la and they broke my
Speaker 10: luggage in you know, probably loading it in the plane.
Speaker 10: One wheel is missing and literally is not even closing well.
Speaker 10: So you know, I leave the airport, I take an uber.
Speaker 10: I put all my stuff in, and you know, I
Speaker 10: approached Hampton Avenue and I see you know, lights and
Speaker 10: trucks and the I'm like, oh, weird, you know, maybe
Speaker 10: they're filming something. And the uber driver that was a
Speaker 10: Los Angeles native, he's like, no, you know, these are
Speaker 10: trucks from the news. Something must have happened.
Speaker 3: And I'm like okay.
Speaker 10: So, you know, I leave the Uber and I'm approaching
Speaker 10: the building and literally.
Speaker 3: There is like a crowd of people.
Speaker 10: Seeing me approaching this building, you know, coming closer to me.
Speaker 2: There are those moments when your life it's changed and
Speaker 2: you're just waiting to hear about it.
Speaker 10: And I have like these broken legs luggage that I'm drugging,
Speaker 10: and I have a bunch of clothes in my arms
Speaker 10: and backpack.
Speaker 2: The next thing he knows, he's blinded by lights and
Speaker 2: staring down the barrel of microphones.
Speaker 10: You know, they start pointing lights and microphones like I'm like,
Speaker 10: what's going on. It's like they asked me, do you
Speaker 10: live here? And I'm like yeah, And then somebody takes
Speaker 10: out a phone with a picture and it's a picture
Speaker 10: of Timothy's like do you know this person?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's my roommate. And everybody's like.
Speaker 10: You know, coming closer more, and I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 2: You know, Otavio has no idea what has happened.
Speaker 10: They really got closer to me just to try to
Speaker 10: gather more information, and the first thing they told me
Speaker 10: is like we are trying to identify a victim, you know,
Speaker 10: like we we think that the person that you know
Speaker 10: passed away is this timusit In and we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 10: we're gonna show you the picture to pretty much confirm
Speaker 10: his identity. I was not believing in my ears, you know,
Speaker 10: like I mean, you know, I certainly was like, oh,
Speaker 10: you know, you know, I want to know more what's
Speaker 10: going on here?
Speaker 3: You know how you know what happened.
Speaker 10: They didn't really have much information at that time. They
Speaker 10: just said, you know, he was found dead in an
Speaker 10: apartment not far away from here. And the version that
Speaker 10: they told me it was like that, you know, I
Speaker 10: think there were cameras in the building. You know that
Speaker 10: he was let's say reported to enter the apartment or
Speaker 10: the building, you know, let's say at midnight, and at
Speaker 10: twelve thirty it was declared that by paramedics. So what
Speaker 10: happened is that once I went through the crowd of journalists,
Speaker 10: et cetera, you know, I entered the building and I
Speaker 10: go up to the apartment and literally I'm in the
Speaker 10: apartment for two men and said I hear knocking at
Speaker 10: the door, and the gentleman that was the manager of
Speaker 10: the building is like, you know, like there is a
Speaker 10: murder investigation. You are not on the lease, you know,
Speaker 10: you can't really stay here. So now it's like one
Speaker 10: a m And I have my stupid broken luggage, et cetera.
Speaker 10: And I have no time, you know, so I grabbed
Speaker 10: like a couple of socks and underwear and I leave.
Speaker 2: After me in the state away two men dead in
Speaker 2: one apartment, and yet ed Buck was still allowed to
Speaker 2: keep luring men there. On the surface, it's a tourist mecca,
Speaker 2: but West Hollywood has a very deep history of organized crime,
Speaker 2: corruption and vice. That's on the next episode. Shattering the
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