Speaker 1: It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Okay, you guys,
Speaker 1: we are super excited to bring in TC Warner, who
Speaker 1: played Toby season three of nine O two on Oh
Speaker 1: in some very pivotal episodes for me. And here she is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, hy y Tory, how are you? I'm well?
Speaker 1: How are you good? Good? Good? Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me. Oh my gosh, thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on and making me feel worse about myself because you
Speaker 1: have not aged a day and it's just not fair.
Speaker 1: Oh that's not true, not true at all, and you
Speaker 1: look like you haven't aged even a minute. Oh, thank you. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I'll take it. And this is Amy.
Speaker 1: If you have not met her, our producer and co
Speaker 1: host and expert on Hi, Amy, how are you? I'm good?
Speaker 1: I have a lot of behind the scenes questions to
Speaker 1: ask you. She's our literal expert and fans okay, well,
Speaker 1: as Amy knows me, like obviously I love nine O
Speaker 1: two and O because I was a part of it
Speaker 1: and now rewatching it back, I'm now a fan girl.
Speaker 1: But my heart lies with soap operas, so I just
Speaker 1: gotta say, we have to talk all my children after
Speaker 1: we talked nine because I'm okay, okay, but any who, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you played Toby, So what happened? How did you
Speaker 1: get that part? So it was a regular audition, my ago,
Speaker 1: and it was the standard process of callbacks and and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. And it's kind of seemed
Speaker 1: to us that you guys were kind of coming in
Speaker 1: and they were shifting it to other characters that they
Speaker 1: wanted to keep on at least in our world. Where
Speaker 1: did they tell you how many episodes like it ended
Speaker 1: up being two episodes? Did you think it was going
Speaker 1: to go on? Obviously we're graduating, but you guys could
Speaker 1: have gone on to California University too, just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: So very true, Uh, they had they had whispered words
Speaker 1: and nothing in concrete that they were, um, you know,
Speaker 1: planning on on continuing the story and continuing with the
Speaker 1: with your guys characters and integrating that with the younger generation.
Speaker 1: That was the That's why I was the junior um,
Speaker 1: the junior publisher, whatever newspaper editor, junior editor at large.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly right, were you going to be
Speaker 1: the next Andrea Zuckerman? Was that sort of the character arc. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that that was I don't
Speaker 1: think that Andrea could be replaced. Um, but no, I
Speaker 1: think it was just a continuation of the story and
Speaker 1: the writers were preparing to expand and and explore their options. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have now heard this from how many people
Speaker 1: amy that they were trying to bring in other people,
Speaker 1: many younger, many that they were like, okay, we want
Speaker 1: to continue this storyline because you know, last year they
Speaker 1: were like, they have one more year, and now this season, okay,
Speaker 1: they're graduating, moving on to college. And they had again,
Speaker 1: you know, whispered that there would maybe be the younger
Speaker 1: generation they would keep have two shows. Um, and it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. It should have it. I honestly think that
Speaker 1: they could have kept it going and and still kept
Speaker 1: all of you guys and check with you know, generations
Speaker 1: are are still intact and and the older and younger
Speaker 1: still blend together, and they crossed paths, and it could
Speaker 1: have gone on for many, many years. The writers were
Speaker 1: so phenomenal and longer than all my children. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, don't ever compare it
Speaker 1: to that, because all my children, love love, love. But okay, um,
Speaker 1: I mean technically, like, okay, this was you started in
Speaker 1: and I to remember which was the problem episode Donna
Speaker 1: gets drunk, we call it drunked on an episode. And
Speaker 1: I mean, now that I'm thinking about it, Amy correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Maybe Donna shouldn't have graduated. Maybe
Speaker 1: she should have gotten held back, and she for once
Speaker 1: could have led the troops, and she could have led
Speaker 1: the spin off, and then Toby and Donna could have
Speaker 1: continued it exactly. Well, in all seriousness, it is interesting
Speaker 1: how they did introduce us to these characters that were
Speaker 1: more than just background, They were more than just one offs.
Speaker 1: They were definitely trying to establish these characters. And obviously
Speaker 1: we'll get into Shawn Levy in a second, but I
Speaker 1: do what I wonder is was their intention to have
Speaker 1: a totally different show that stayed in high school while
Speaker 1: the main gang went to college or were they going
Speaker 1: to sort of? Maybe they just didn't know do duel
Speaker 1: where we were still seeing high school life while our
Speaker 1: our old friends went off to college. Does anyone know that? No?
Speaker 1: I think that format was would be really really awesome,
Speaker 1: where they had the younger and still had the nine
Speaker 1: O two and no going you no one episode for
Speaker 1: the next you know, one at seven o'clock, one at
Speaker 1: eight o'clock to melrose Place and a spinoff, but a
Speaker 1: younger generation spinoff. Yes, although that hybrid show um sounded
Speaker 1: really cool. So I have to bring up so Sean Levy,
Speaker 1: who played sort of your I don't know classmate, but
Speaker 1: you know, they sort of introduced us to both characters
Speaker 1: at the same time. Who has gone on to do
Speaker 1: We've talked about it, all these incredible things, Free guy,
Speaker 1: that Adam project night at the museum. I think he's
Speaker 1: involved with stranger things. So at the do you have
Speaker 1: any memories of what he was like at the time
Speaker 1: as he just sort of like a teen actor or
Speaker 1: did he know I'm going to be this massive director producer. No,
Speaker 1: he's He was very humble, and you know, we were
Speaker 1: we were both kind of shell shocked to be on
Speaker 1: the nine o two and oh and sort of didn't
Speaker 1: know our place. You didn't know everybody, including Tori, was
Speaker 1: so warm and inviting, would run lines with us and
Speaker 1: and do all that stuff. Um. But he was extremely
Speaker 1: funny and very comical. Really, Yes, had a great sense
Speaker 1: of humor, and I don't know now now that I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of it, do you remember it was the wardrobe? Uh?
Speaker 1: I call it an issue, But it was very funny
Speaker 1: because they had wardrobe had put me in top that
Speaker 1: was it looked like it made it look like we
Speaker 1: had two frames of of my breasts, you know, two
Speaker 1: things like do you remember this? No refresh my memory.
Speaker 1: Jason and Luke looked at it, and I remember Gaya
Speaker 1: Terrist looked at it and went um, and we were
Speaker 1: getting ready to rule camera and then um, wardrobe, Uh,
Speaker 1: what do you think of her shirt on camera? What
Speaker 1: do you mean? It littally literally looked like I don't
Speaker 1: remember where that was, but it almost looked like a
Speaker 1: shirt that had and I don't know if they were
Speaker 1: pockets or what they were, but they were definitely like
Speaker 1: big buttons on I don't remember this. Oh my goodness. Wait,
Speaker 1: I love that the It was the cast that called
Speaker 1: it out and no one direct, writer, producer. The cool
Speaker 1: thing about it was that cast really protected each other
Speaker 1: and and they looked over and they went, um, wardrobe,
Speaker 1: we might rethink TC's sure, and they changed it out
Speaker 1: right there on set, and it was I was like,
Speaker 1: thank God, because you know I'm I'm new, I don't
Speaker 1: have any say. I'm like, okay, I'll wear that shirt.
Speaker 1: But you realize you were like, uh, yeah there's something here.
Speaker 1: You just go with the flow. And they looked at
Speaker 1: it and and what, um, yeah she might need some
Speaker 1: help here in wordrobe went oh your god. They changed
Speaker 1: it right away. But yeah, the cast was really really
Speaker 1: cool on that um and there was a lot of camaraderie.
Speaker 1: There wasn't any pretentious don't talk to me, I'm so
Speaker 1: and so or anything like that. There was no no drama.
Speaker 1: Everybody was just nice. So do you guys think it's
Speaker 1: weird that that was the case? Right? So you come
Speaker 1: into this show and you're having this real life experience,
Speaker 1: Why do you guys think tour you as the person involved,
Speaker 1: TC as the person that came into it. The media
Speaker 1: loves to make it seem totally different. How does it
Speaker 1: go from that experience? And then we hear these you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not telling tales, but Jessica Alba had a very
Speaker 1: different experience and that she's talked about. So it's like,
Speaker 1: how do we know what the reality was you're telling us?
Speaker 1: The press makes it often seem totally different. Feuds and hierarchy,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't. I don't think that that was
Speaker 1: That was not my perception. I call it the red
Speaker 1: carpet syndrome, where that's not real in anybody who lasts
Speaker 1: in this industry. It's you have to have some level
Speaker 1: of being humble and realizing that you're a human. You're
Speaker 1: portraying humans, so you've or have a human aspect to you.
Speaker 1: And if you don't, you've got some far fetched idea
Speaker 1: that you're going to walk in and you've got this
Speaker 1: vibe about you that that energy spills over and people
Speaker 1: run quickly from it. And when I came onto the set,
Speaker 1: there was you know, there's a hallway and everybody had
Speaker 1: their dressing rooms and stuff like that. Everybody's doors were open.
Speaker 1: It was a basketball thing down at the end. Everybody
Speaker 1: was playing and talking with each other and and it
Speaker 1: was very, very welcoming. It wasn't There was no level
Speaker 1: of pretentious, which which I really liked, and I've worked
Speaker 1: on films and so forth where there was the don't
Speaker 1: talk to that person kind of uh, you know level
Speaker 1: going around, But that wasn't the case on nine or
Speaker 1: two and O. And it was far from the case
Speaker 1: on All My Children, and it was really really nice.
Speaker 1: It was there was a lot of camaraderie and and
Speaker 1: it's very hard to make friends in in Hollywood, if
Speaker 1: you will, or in the film industry, because everybody tends
Speaker 1: to take off and they started a project, or they
Speaker 1: get you know, caught in something, and they start to
Speaker 1: do their own thing and and not keep in touch
Speaker 1: with anybody. So it's very cool to have a family
Speaker 1: type setting where you're seeing that person face to face.
Speaker 1: Even though you all have your own private life, to
Speaker 1: all of your own private projects going on and and
Speaker 1: so forth, you still come together and look each other
Speaker 1: in the eye and say how are you and the
Speaker 1: answer is not doing just fine and walking on it's oh,
Speaker 1: this is going on, and you actually communicate with people.
Speaker 1: So it was really nice. It was it was, I
Speaker 1: guess misleading to what really Hollywood is like. But I
Speaker 1: came from Save by the Bell right before N one, oh,
Speaker 1: and I was recurring. But that get the first day
Speaker 1: on set where they were it was the same thing.
Speaker 1: They were a family, they were established, they worked day
Speaker 1: and day out, they were each other's lives and walking
Speaker 1: onto that set was super scary and some people were
Speaker 1: amazing and some people weren't. And it stayed with me.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll text you it was who was wonderful?
Speaker 1: Can you say that Elizabeth Berkeley was the kindest human
Speaker 1: And she literally I just saw her recently and I
Speaker 1: and we've been friends off and on for the whole
Speaker 1: time since for thirty years. And I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I still carry it with me. You taught me how
Speaker 1: to be in this industry because of the experience that
Speaker 1: you gave to me. I went on to pay it
Speaker 1: forward on nine two. I Owey's was nice to guest
Speaker 1: stars because I know it is so scary and it
Speaker 1: can make or break you know, your performance or how
Speaker 1: your whole So it's so important And to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm still like that. Um So, I think that's such
Speaker 1: an interesting thing you just said there, Tory, and I
Speaker 1: wond't know if TC feels the same. You just said
Speaker 1: it can make or break your performance. So that's so
Speaker 1: interesting that that talk about that. I would love to
Speaker 1: hear about that from both of you, that it is
Speaker 1: so important that behind the scenes to doing your best
Speaker 1: work well really really quickly. So a story about Luke
Speaker 1: Perry I had I was the first day on the set,
Speaker 1: and something happened with my car and I went, oh, um, Mike,
Speaker 1: he asked, and I said, my my car broke down.
Speaker 1: I got to ride from my friend and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: don't worry about I'll pick you up. And every day
Speaker 1: going into the set, he swung by in his Mini
Speaker 1: Bronco and picked me up and took me to the set.
Speaker 1: So it was very cool. It was it was just,
Speaker 1: you know, he told me his story with Aaron Spelling,
Speaker 1: and and he was the one who everybody on this
Speaker 1: set is very cool and are you know, they're very
Speaker 1: approachable and and all that, and I believed him and
Speaker 1: until I saw it and I was like, Hi, Tori,
Speaker 1: so hi, how are you welcome? And the whole wardrobe mishappened.
Speaker 1: Everybody was really a family there. There wasn't any spats
Speaker 1: or anything like, gosh, that's such an amazing story. Do
Speaker 1: you remember any of the story he told you about
Speaker 1: my dad? I just love to hear, like, any any
Speaker 1: anecdotes about my dad. Obviously I miss him and I
Speaker 1: miss Luke dearly, so it's nice to hear. So he
Speaker 1: said his his start was Aaron Spelling. Had you know
Speaker 1: there was he was feeling like he wasn't really being
Speaker 1: accepted or considered in a lot of things. And Aaron
Speaker 1: Spelling really extended himself and believed in Luke and put
Speaker 1: himself out there for Luke Perry, and and I, you know,
Speaker 1: I was in awe. It was like, how how does
Speaker 1: that happen? How does that miracle of connection actually begin?
Speaker 1: And Luke said, Aaron Spelling was one of those people
Speaker 1: who but when he believed in people, he put everything
Speaker 1: out there for him. He overextended himself greatly, and and
Speaker 1: he really made Luke Perry. So I it's just it's
Speaker 1: another one of those things that extends down and says,
Speaker 1: I'm walking into something that I would really appreciate being
Speaker 1: except did too. I won't make that expectation, but I
Speaker 1: certainly would hope one day that I could be part
Speaker 1: of this whole. And I just remember his stories about
Speaker 1: he had come across quite a bit of rejection like
Speaker 1: many of us, and your dad just said, don't stop.
Speaker 1: I'm behind you. You can do this and it'll happen.
Speaker 1: Just keep keep pushing forward. It's nice to hear someone
Speaker 1: else tell the story. I believe I've told the story
Speaker 1: from behind the scenes with my dad hearing it happen. Um.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Luke and I ever talked
Speaker 1: about that story. So it was nice that he told
Speaker 1: you and I got to hear it from his perspective.
Speaker 1: That meant a lot to me. But yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: my dad saying this, this is the guy, this is
Speaker 1: who I want. Fox was not sold. Um, we all
Speaker 1: we both know this. It's typical when you go in
Speaker 1: you test, you know, through people. And he said, I'm
Speaker 1: only testing him, I'm bringing him and they said that's
Speaker 1: not done. We need to other people to come in
Speaker 1: and um, and he said, no, it's just him. Um,
Speaker 1: he's testing board and this is who it's going to be.
Speaker 1: We're casting him. And if you don't believe in him,
Speaker 1: then I will put forth my own money and pay
Speaker 1: and and pay his fee. Like you mentioned that as well.
Speaker 1: He said that your dad believed. But you know what,
Speaker 1: so used to being an influencer now, damn it. I
Speaker 1: nuturally supported. Yes, he said he would personally pay for him. Yes,
Speaker 1: and and he Luke was very I think you know.
Speaker 1: Our conversations were more around how did you start, how
Speaker 1: did you get here? What's your story? And and all that,
Speaker 1: UM and I shared my stories and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So there was UM and I think that was right
Speaker 1: at the time when he was he wasn't married yet,
Speaker 1: he was just in the relationship with his wife, and
Speaker 1: he was telling me and and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was conversation. It was very open and willing
Speaker 1: to share personal things that do you know him before? No? No,
Speaker 1: my gosh, the story is incredible. So this is just
Speaker 1: how he was, like, you're you're on this set. You
Speaker 1: now belong right? Oh right? Yeah? Who? So that's the
Speaker 1: first person on set that you met? Wasn't Luke? Was
Speaker 1: that the first person? Or do you remember who you
Speaker 1: it was Luke? It was like, and then it was Jason,
Speaker 1: and then Gabrielle and Um and then obviously wardrobe and
Speaker 1: and so forth. But and then playing basketball, which I
Speaker 1: am horrible at, has nothing to do with my height deficiency,
Speaker 1: has everything to do with that basketball basket was not
Speaker 1: high up. It was just on the door. And I
Speaker 1: still couldn't make the basket, but they let me play.
Speaker 1: You and Jason would have been such a cute couple,
Speaker 1: wouldn't we That would have been good. Just don't tell
Speaker 1: my husband now and I'm in on the show, but
Speaker 1: real life too, I know, I know, I mean, I like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I have to ask. So in our timeline right now,
Speaker 1: we have just finished watching the prom episode, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a spoiler that we know what's coming
Speaker 1: is Donna Martin graduates, which I think you could argue
Speaker 1: is one of the most iconic episodes of Now Too
Speaker 1: one oh in the tenure run. What is it like
Speaker 1: to be a part of that episode? It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: There was I remember Iron and everybody, and they're all
Speaker 1: out on the steps, and and I remember some of
Speaker 1: the lines when we were talking about editing the paper
Speaker 1: and stuff were there was the word this is an
Speaker 1: appropriate epitaph and I, for some reason epitaph. The word
Speaker 1: epitaph would not it just epitaph surface And I don't
Speaker 1: know what word I was saying, epitaph or something weird um,
Speaker 1: And and there was this this uh scramble of do
Speaker 1: we are we pushing for the right thing? Are we saying?
Speaker 1: You know, Donna Martin is an example to all the
Speaker 1: rest of the junior class and the sophomores and the
Speaker 1: freshman and she got drunk it prom and is this appropriate,
Speaker 1: and do we let her get away with this? And
Speaker 1: you know what's the consequence? And then everybody out on
Speaker 1: the steps and it was hot that day. I remember, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, doing their their chant of Donna Martin graduates?
Speaker 1: And do we get behind her? Or is my character
Speaker 1: that kind of steadfast on? No, we have to do
Speaker 1: right by society and be an example and not let
Speaker 1: her graduate, you know that kind of thing? Or do
Speaker 1: I go with everybody else? And was let's remember what happens,
Speaker 1: we don't spoil it. I don't know what happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know what happens, but I don't know what your
Speaker 1: character decided. And that word I can't imagine ever saying
Speaker 1: that word that I would freak out. I'd be like,
Speaker 1: uh so, do you remember what they were actually chanting outside?
Speaker 1: That was not Donna Martin graduates? And I allowed to
Speaker 1: say this. Yes, you are definitely tory. You're testing me now,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I swear I think he told the Iron
Speaker 1: has told the story on the show. Correct, he has Okay,
Speaker 1: it wasn't graduates? Oh yes it was? Um is this
Speaker 1: an age appropriate audience? Yes, it was started with the
Speaker 1: letter m TC. It was masturbates masbates. What you say
Speaker 1: you remember who started? I don't. I don't, but it
Speaker 1: was either Jason or Iron. But is there a footage
Speaker 1: somewhere we should you know what? Uh? Larry Mullen, who
Speaker 1: was the one of the producers, he has tons of
Speaker 1: behind the scenes daily so I wonder if he has that.
Speaker 1: Somebody must That would be so funny. It's been plenty
Speaker 1: of time. It was. It was very clear. So you
Speaker 1: recognized for a long period of time from that episode. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think when you live in Los Angeles, everybody
Speaker 1: thinks that they're famous. So you can go to the
Speaker 1: grocery store and nobody will bug you because they think
Speaker 1: that you should be recognizing them. So it's quite to
Speaker 1: live in in Los Angeles anywhere outside of of l A.
Speaker 1: I would, you know, my I grew up in Santa Fe,
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and so I would come back and visit
Speaker 1: family and and so forth, and immediately it was are
Speaker 1: you are your Toby? Aren't you? Aren't you Toby one? Two?
Speaker 1: And oh? And I would kind of be caught off
Speaker 1: hard because I'm not used to that, and I'd only
Speaker 1: done several TV movies and and stuff like that I've done.
Speaker 1: I've done a bit, but um not to be recognizable
Speaker 1: as somebody so such as a staple, so I would
Speaker 1: you know they would they would ask me, are you
Speaker 1: are you pushing for her to graduate? Are you not
Speaker 1: to Martin doing? What is she doing? And wanting to
Speaker 1: inside Scoop and stuff like that, and then they'd say, oh,
Speaker 1: good job, you know, you did a great job. That
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And then they'd asked for my autograph
Speaker 1: and they'd asked me to sign it TC as Toby. No. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: fans always want you to put your character name after
Speaker 1: your name. Really, yes, that's a big deal. Wait, so
Speaker 1: to this, to this day, I sign every Sometimes I
Speaker 1: forget and I'm like, oh, you're younger. You recognize me
Speaker 1: from like Scary Movie two or something. I always know
Speaker 1: people's ages by what they recognized me from. Um, but
Speaker 1: our generation. I always write Tori spelling and then write Donna,
Speaker 1: like yeah, Donna, and then put nine O two and
Speaker 1: oh afterwards. It's very important to them, especially collectors. I
Speaker 1: think I just saw Henry Winkler signing some things and
Speaker 1: he does include the fonds I think sometimes so that
Speaker 1: makes sense. They love it. Yeah, oh, my god, And
Speaker 1: do you do you both think that's cool? Oh? I do.
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. It makes them happy, which makes
Speaker 1: me happy. So I like to you know, that's the
Speaker 1: feeling I get from it, is that if they're happy,
Speaker 1: that makes me happy for sure. But then you went
Speaker 1: on to be very recognizable as Kelsey and all my children,
Speaker 1: and so then they were like Toby, who Right, Wait,
Speaker 1: both of you started so young? What is you know
Speaker 1: people always talk about like, oh, it's that's so hard,
Speaker 1: or you didn't have a life, or you didn't have
Speaker 1: a prom or high school whatever. What is the best
Speaker 1: part for both of you of starting work and in
Speaker 1: this profession so young? Go first story, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because I don't know any difference, right, Like, I grew
Speaker 1: up doing it, so I don't. I don't know. I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to even answer that because I
Speaker 1: don't know what life would have been like if I
Speaker 1: hadn't started so young. It's yeah. So for me, um,
Speaker 1: it was I came to a point where I realized
Speaker 1: I was married to the industry because you had to
Speaker 1: pay so much attention to that and put that as
Speaker 1: a priority in anything and everything every just as and
Speaker 1: you made every plan, every trip, every everything, every school
Speaker 1: that you went to, every everything. So I went on
Speaker 1: and got an undergraduate degree in film with producing, directing, writing, editing,
Speaker 1: and sound. And then I went on get a masters
Speaker 1: in business administration. My started interdisciplinary masters goodness in computers
Speaker 1: and art, and that turned out to be an argument
Speaker 1: between two departments, because computers and art do not blunt.
Speaker 1: They both have their own opinions of of what a
Speaker 1: master's square should be. And that was specializing in more
Speaker 1: the new medium of digital and so forth. And so
Speaker 1: then I changed that was like too long of a
Speaker 1: process and ended up being like an eleven dollar an
Speaker 1: hour job. So I'm looked over to a business administration
Speaker 1: with an emphasis and marketing and so those two just
Speaker 1: every decision that you make is surrounding this industry and
Speaker 1: what you want out of it and um, and so
Speaker 1: every every effort that I put forth goes that way.
Speaker 1: And of course, right now, my focus is my family
Speaker 1: and my my kids have two adopted kids, and my
Speaker 1: husband and and so on. They're eight and ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're wonderful, They're my life. Yeah, And so what
Speaker 1: was it like? It It was honestly like a marriage,
Speaker 1: you have to be fully committed to what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and if you don't have that true passion in you,
Speaker 1: don't waste your time and don't waste other people's time. Wow.
Speaker 1: Can I go back and change my answer? After him
Speaker 1: blew me away? Like everything you just said, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: very amazing, thank you? And what word couldn't you say atab?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Yeah? So would you? Would you
Speaker 1: rate your nine o two one oh experience as a
Speaker 1: good marriage at that time? Absolutely? And I wanted it
Speaker 1: to continue so badly, so badly. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a flavor of the best of the best.
Speaker 1: It was. That's so nice to hear. Did you keep
Speaker 1: in touch with Sean Leevy? Oh no, I haven't really,
Speaker 1: um just here and there. You should have, We all
Speaker 1: should have. I know, right, I did think he was
Speaker 1: cute when he was on this. Did you think that
Speaker 1: was funny? TC? When you because there was obviously a
Speaker 1: gap between the time you worked together and he became
Speaker 1: sort of this, you know, very prolific director and high
Speaker 1: profile person in entertainment, did you go, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: did you ever have that moment You're like, I think
Speaker 1: that dude was in the classroom with me at the
Speaker 1: school paper. Remember, um No, but I could see it
Speaker 1: in him. He's very he was extremely intelligent. He was
Speaker 1: very intelligent. He was he wasn't he didn't fit the
Speaker 1: category of uh, the very I guess the stereotype of
Speaker 1: actor model type. Um. His brain was always going, I
Speaker 1: mean always who was saying, oh, you should do this,
Speaker 1: you should do that without you know, unrequested, and and
Speaker 1: his mind was always going on what he wanted to
Speaker 1: do and where he wanted ago. I loved hearing that.
Speaker 1: Did he say he wanted to direct and produce? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah he did? Wow, so he knew. Yeah, it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: My takeaway from this conversation, which is has has so
Speaker 1: unexpected I wasn't axpessing it to be, is there is
Speaker 1: something that you know immediately for you all when someone
Speaker 1: in this show business has it. Because it sounds to
Speaker 1: me like like your dad, Tory knew from moment one
Speaker 1: with Luke, Yes, this guy's got it. And TC is
Speaker 1: saying the same thing about Luke Ann Sean like these
Speaker 1: people there's something star like about them. Yeah, they're always
Speaker 1: yearning to move forward. And and I'm I'm always want
Speaker 1: anything around. The film industry to me is solution oriented
Speaker 1: and and for me even going to film school when
Speaker 1: I when I graduated, I want you know what I
Speaker 1: learned that there's a ton of problems to be solved,
Speaker 1: and you know, to walk away with the film degree
Speaker 1: and say that is the story of life in this
Speaker 1: industry is there's always going to be a problem that
Speaker 1: has to be solved. And if people stay stuck in
Speaker 1: the problem and we want to wind and complain and well,
Speaker 1: because of this and this and this, nobody wants to
Speaker 1: hear those they want us hear more so, how you're
Speaker 1: working towards the solution. What are you doing to fix it?
Speaker 1: There's always going to be a problem. There's always going
Speaker 1: to be an obstacle, and if there wasn't an obstacle,
Speaker 1: nobody would be doing it because there's no obstacle. M
Speaker 1: it's it's too late for me to go to film school. No.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to USC and I wanted
Speaker 1: a major in film. I wanted I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a writer and producer like that was my end. Gold
Speaker 1: still is um And I deferred the first year at
Speaker 1: USC two because show kept going and we didn't know.
Speaker 1: And then I went to California University on TV and
Speaker 1: never went to college in real life. And now I
Speaker 1: don't have a film degree, and now I'm at the
Speaker 1: point where I's like, gosh, you know, would I'd be
Speaker 1: taking more seriously if I have that to back it up.
Speaker 1: You know, like when people are like, okay when you
Speaker 1: because I create projects a lot, but you know they
Speaker 1: why am I not considered, you know, a writer as well? Um, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I see you more as an executive,
Speaker 1: one who has such full knowledge of everything. And a
Speaker 1: good executive is going to hire qualified people and then
Speaker 1: let them do their job. And if if you've got
Speaker 1: a project in mind, you're the kind of person and
Speaker 1: personality and drive that will actually execute it and make
Speaker 1: it happen. And even if you went to film school today,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't at so do if you want
Speaker 1: to all of the new mediums that are out there,
Speaker 1: those are things that you'll be taught. Right when I
Speaker 1: was in film school, it was the time where it
Speaker 1: was still celluloid. It wasn't it was online and offline
Speaker 1: blending in. And that's why my interdisciplinary masters didn't really
Speaker 1: work because now you have everything in the digital medium,
Speaker 1: and you have the quality and ease and convenience of
Speaker 1: doing that that your your education would be shortened by
Speaker 1: a lot. But you've already got the life experience. And
Speaker 1: there's no better training than on the job training, right,
Speaker 1: so you've already got a lifetime of that tory. But
Speaker 1: I do think like a producer, so it would make
Speaker 1: a good reality show though, I'm just say, wait before
Speaker 1: we go, what's your favorite memory of the nine O
Speaker 1: two one O experience that you have. I think my
Speaker 1: favorite memory was just being greeted by everybody walked down
Speaker 1: the hallway in on set on the sound stage, and
Speaker 1: everybody just saying oh, Hi, Hi, I'm so and so
Speaker 1: and extending their arm where you know, you're sort of going,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should kind of duck and
Speaker 1: not look at them or you know, and they were
Speaker 1: all just like, Hi, who are you? So it was
Speaker 1: it was there inviting way of allowing me and making
Speaker 1: me feel comfortable in and a new ground that I
Speaker 1: was walking on, and and just the camaraderie of the
Speaker 1: talent and dedication that everybody had. You did have the
Speaker 1: luxury though of first appearing in the news room, right,
Speaker 1: so you got to work with the nicest of the nicest,
Speaker 1: so that that was good. Um. But yeah, and that translated,
Speaker 1: It really did because your character Toby and Sean Levy's
Speaker 1: character Howard really automatically felt like they were part of
Speaker 1: the group. I felt like you weren't like, oh, jarred
Speaker 1: by new characters. It was like, oh, yeah, we believe
Speaker 1: they go to school together and they've worked together now
Speaker 1: even though they're you know, juniors and and we were seniors.
Speaker 1: But wait sophomore junior junior as junior junior. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is awesome. Wait uh, what do you have
Speaker 1: anything in the in the world in the works that
Speaker 1: was such a I do. I have a feature film
Speaker 1: that we shot during COVID, interestingly enough, called The Man
Speaker 1: Who Thought that He was Salvador Dolly And and that's
Speaker 1: with Philippe Mora, who did Mad Dog Morgan, he did
Speaker 1: Communion Brother, Can You Spare Dime? And it's really about
Speaker 1: the Man who thought that he was Salvador Dolly. Um.
Speaker 1: I played Tessa rush A Rent and she interviews this
Speaker 1: man who thinks that he is Salvador Dali and it
Speaker 1: it and it's a very creative way of investigating whether
Speaker 1: Salvador Dali had a sadistic side to him or or not.
Speaker 1: I mean, artists are artists, and and it it's it's
Speaker 1: still in production now, it's tying up and going to
Speaker 1: go into post very soon. If anyone's in their car
Speaker 1: google or not, you shouldn't do this and drive. But
Speaker 1: if anyone's googling Salvador Dolly, I am also, Oh I
Speaker 1: knew I knew he was on important? Is this based
Speaker 1: on a real man that actually thought he was Salvador
Speaker 1: Dolly or now? No? Completely fictional? Okay, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm working on that and that's great. I want to
Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, that's hastening. And then the other thing
Speaker 1: that I'm working on is a documentary that I'm uh
Speaker 1: doing on Charlie Pete. And Charlie Pete happens to be
Speaker 1: my uncle. Um, and he's got he's just he comes
Speaker 1: from a family line of railroad executives, if you will,
Speaker 1: and he's had life adventures that many authors have approached
Speaker 1: him and um, lots of people have said, I really
Speaker 1: want to tell your story. I mean everything from running
Speaker 1: the trans Amazon nine thousand mile race on a on
Speaker 1: a Harley and becoming number two in Harley's Toughest Riders.
Speaker 1: Um to building airplanes, a car collection, crashing two planes,
Speaker 1: training bear at fostering a black bear, and I mean,
Speaker 1: this always go on and on and on. So I
Speaker 1: approached him and said, Charlie, we're telling your story and
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. And he looked at me
Speaker 1: and he went, Okay, let's do it. So we're just
Speaker 1: in production on that. I stand by my comparison of
Speaker 1: TC to Andrea Zuckerman. I stand by that very smart,
Speaker 1: very How easy or hard was it to get that
Speaker 1: project made? Once you decide you wanted to do it?
Speaker 1: He was like, I want you to tell my story.
Speaker 1: The prep work for it goes hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of writing and a lot of just
Speaker 1: structuring on what it's gonna look like. The hard parts
Speaker 1: that I get stuck on is the formatting, because you've
Speaker 1: got to create a a seamless um lead motif if
Speaker 1: you will, of what that is going to look like.
Speaker 1: And that's where I am right now. I've got the
Speaker 1: stories all laid out. I'm going back to Wyoming to
Speaker 1: do more filming, and um, we've got a lot of footage,
Speaker 1: but it's putting it together and having that look seamless
Speaker 1: and um and what that looks like overall. I mean,
Speaker 1: these stories go for We've we've got endless hours of
Speaker 1: his stories of his life. He's ninety years old now, yes,
Speaker 1: so it's it's getting time to we've got to do
Speaker 1: this and we've got to do this now. So it's timely.
Speaker 1: And one thing he said was it's called thank God.
Speaker 1: And a lot of his adventures and situations that he
Speaker 1: was in he survived and was here today because of
Speaker 1: his belief in God and how he he has used
Speaker 1: that as his solution to many situations that he's been in.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you can crash your own
Speaker 1: plane twice and walk out, but and the planes that
Speaker 1: he built, So that's you know, it's a story that
Speaker 1: has to be told and it's right now. And putting
Speaker 1: it all together and making it look very and feel
Speaker 1: very seamless, that's the tough part about it. Wow, I
Speaker 1: thought I just loved you because you were pregnant with
Speaker 1: Bobby Warner's baby. That's all my children reference for anyone
Speaker 1: that hasn't singer and all my children. Um, but it
Speaker 1: goes so far beyond that. TC Warner, you are amazing
Speaker 1: and fascinating. I could literally listen to you speak all day.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for reconnecting me with you. Everybody
Speaker 1: get ready because this was our preview too. Donna Martin graduates. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's something in the air. I think the episode sounds
Speaker 1: something in the air. Can't wait to watch it. Thank you,
Speaker 1: TC so much, Thank you to thank I mean thank
Speaker 1: everybody else for listening in bye. I love that Luke story.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. He picked her up for he was
Speaker 1: in the height. That was the height of Luke Perry
Speaker 1: was everything. He picked her up for work every day,
Speaker 1: every day. The person he just met because they went
Speaker 1: on the show, but that was him. That was that
Speaker 1: story right there, described him perfectly. That is unbelievable. I
Speaker 1: need to be that nice. I'm not sure I would do.
Speaker 1: Let's get a lot of traffic, maybe not as much
Speaker 1: back then, a little bit less. Love you, talk to
Speaker 1: you later.