WEBVTT - The Ja Rule Episode 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:05.040 Get up, getto boys. It's back and reoaded all in 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.360 your mind. Yeah, not deep throating. This is for the streets, 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.640 the reel, the railroaded, the distant franchise, the truth escapegoating, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.000 and they ain't knowing We spink the truth, so they 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.239 ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North South East Coat, 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.880 the gv MY for keeping your head bobbing. It ain't 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.880 no stopping and wants to be try to head by 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.280 and then the system is so corrupt they throw the 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.560 rock out of their heads and then blame it on us. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.800 Don't get it twisted on code and me and danceing 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:46.000 for no buttment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.160 here with us in spirit. Collectively we are the ghetto boys, 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.440 reloaded for another episode of information and instructions to help 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.520 you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world in studio 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:04.840 with us right now. Yeah. How you feeling, man? You 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:12.440 fresh off of versus battle? How does it feel man versus? An? 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:18.080 Amazing feelings? It's an amazing experience. You know, big shout 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:22.240 to you know Tim Swist, Oh you gotta get about 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.680 the mic. Yeah, And I was a big big shout 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:31.200 to you know, Timm and Swiss for such a wonderful 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:36.640 platform for artists to showcase their talents. You know, you know, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.760 it's it's evolved. You know, it started out, you know, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.360 artists is playing their records and you know, really just 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.000 a celebration of hip hop and entertaining one another during 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:54.080 the pandemic. And then it's just it's it's you know, 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.680 once the once the world started to open back up, 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:02.080 it evolved, you know, and now it's, yeah, it's always 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:06.120 going to be a celebration hip hop, but now it's 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.360 it's it's a you know, with live audience and everything. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.480 It's a it's a performance. It's it's a stage presence, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.280 it's your showmanship is it's everything that kind of goes 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.399 into you know, what the verses is along with those 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.160 hit records. You know, but you don't have to be 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.120 about the hit records. You know, there were moments in 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.760 our verses where I feel it wasn't it wasn't so 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:35.120 much about the records as it was about the moment, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.440 you know, and that and you know that that's that's 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:44.680 what makes very versus real dope, those moments, you know, Yeah, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.519 so I know it's going down you know, it's it's 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:53.800 Fat Joe versus j Rum, you know, icons of hip hop. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:00.480 And I'm at the hospital because Brad, you know, everybody 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:05.160 know its scar faces getting your life saving kidney transplant. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.840 So I'm in the waiting room, just waiting, you know, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:18.400 and so I missed that historic event. Starticipating another historic event. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.239 It's nothing more historic than than our brother, Yeah, getting 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.560 well being man. You know, because I'm sitting there thinking, like, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.640 you know, with all Brad has contributed to hip hop, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.120 you know, and it's like this is huge, you know. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.120 And then at the same time, you know, we talked 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.280 this reality of you guys doing you know, doing your thing, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.600 you know, with the verses competition, we're talking We're talking 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.080 grapes and watermelons, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.560 we're the grapes on a performance and we're talking about 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.880 one about hip hop legends, you know, getting a kidney. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.680 So that he's here with us too, to keep blessing 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.280 us with his presence and his his talents, and so 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.720 you know that that's crazy. Man. It's like, you know, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.560 like just just being in that moment, man, I'm like, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.279 because I'm hip hope for real man, for real. I 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.000 mean I left me too, Willie. That's you know. I 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.160 think that's the one thing I think people don't understand 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.720 about me, or maybe just you know, misunderstood. You know 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:35.039 that's a misunderstanding about me. Is I love hip hop? Yeah? 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.240 Like I live, he breathe hip I was talking to 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.040 Nori overy day on the phone, all right, big shot 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:47.680 with my brother Noriega, and um, you know, I was 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.880 just talking about how I love him, yeah, And I'm like, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.080 you know, I don't think you understand like I really 0:04:55.200 --> 0:05:01.000 love music. I really love him like I wrapped every day. Hmm. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.760 Still even though I put out a record, I wrapped 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:11.520 every day. It's like lyrical exercise to me. So I 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.640 could you know when I'm in the gym and I'm 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.760 listening to music and it's you know, it's getting me 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:23.159 hype while I'm working out. Yeah, I'm creating. But because 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.280 you know, I don't write anything down, you know. So 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:32.279 I learned that from from from home. Really yeah, I wrote, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.960 I wrote my first album, and then after that you 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.720 just started going off dumb. It's really not off. Do 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.000 I write it? But I write it in my head? 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.680 How do you how do you rever that stuff, man, like, dang, well, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:50.360 here's the thing, right, When you create it that way, 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.600 it becomes it becomes repetition. You're saying it over and 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.920 over and over again as you're you know, writing it 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:04.279 in your head. So it's you know, two bars, four bars, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:11.000 six bars, eight bars, and you're as you're adding to it, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.159 you're starting from the beginning each time, basically to keep 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.919 adding to it, just so so by the time you know, 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:23.279 you really learning this wrap in a different way then 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.400 you would if you wrote it down. You know, the 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.960 paper was my crutch. I know I have it on here. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.799 If I write it at this moment, I don't really 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.120 have to remember it because I can read it and 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.000 I get the flow on the vibe of it because 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.840 I know what I wrote it. I know what it's 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.840 supposed to sound like. I know I'm supposed to feel like. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.359 But the words come back to me as I read it, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.800 you know, doing it like this, the words are it's 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.280 like it's already embedded in you. It's already you know, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.280 it's becomes part of you, becomes one and and and 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.000 it actually flows and just feels so much better. It 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:03.119 just it feels like it's just another instrument over the track. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.159 And and so I learned that from home because you know, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.680 um he one day I was supposed to be on 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:16.440 a Can I Live? And so um I go to 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:22.320 the studio and uh ho is in there? And I'm like, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.720 I was late, sister, and so I break up my 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.120 get that, break up my pin in my pad. You're 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.200 about to write my verse to Canny, probably write my 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.960 verse can I Live? And he's like, you know, I 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.840 got it, so we've done rule. It's like you late 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.520 to this one, you know what I mean? And I'm like, 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.360 what's talking about? Like I don't, I don't see nothing, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.520 you know what I mean. And he went in the 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:51.600 booth and he started to recite his verses, and at 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.360 that moment, I'm like, okay, home, what was what is 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.600 this magic trick? But what this happened there? He didn't 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.280 I don't see because he was just vibing on it. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.840 He's like, I already got it and then winning and recited. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.760 So I'm like, okay, I didn't see where he had 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.760 it done, you know what I mean? There was no 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.880 finished homework here, so you know, and so he said, no, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.760 you know, I write it. You know in my head 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.640 it's alright that one get like like you know, who 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:28.200 do does that? And so I started doing it because 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:33.400 I didn't believe it could be done. If that makes yeah. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.840 I wanted to see if that was a real thing, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:41.160 that actually it was possible. And you know, like I said, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.680 as you started with two bars and four bars, and 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.360 it intended to just it starts to flow that way 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.280 really really easy. And then you know, as time went on, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.080 I started recording in a lot of different ways to 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.120 like sometimes I'll you know, get the vibe of a record, 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:05.120 go in record sixty eight bars, let it, let it rest, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.000 and then you know, think of another sixth day bars 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.559 and finish it off. You know, you know I've grown 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.440 to do things in a lot of different ways. It's 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:19.640 because it's just you know, it becomes your process, your 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.800 recording process, and a lot of different artists have a 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.800 lot of different, you know, crazy recording processes that are 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.400 really dope and unique, like like ol d B. He 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.040 you know, he used to do some dope shit. He 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:36.480 record every bar fine for line, I'm the one then 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:43.400 I mean, hey, song, all right, stop punch me and 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.120 then say that this like it's just you know, everybody 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.320 has their own genius to the way they record, to 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.600 the way they do things. And you know that that 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.920 was just I thought that was really really interesting and 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.600 dope and genius that that t J could do that. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.600 And I believe he learned that from Big, I want 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.760 to say, but I don't know if he learned it 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.400 from Big or if that's just something that they need, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.160 you know, But about I also a big recording like 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:13.440 that as well. Yeah, do you what comes first? The 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:18.240 music or the lyrics? Music? Music? Yeah? But sometimes you know, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:24.160 so I've become someone of a producer because I can 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.120 I hear music, but I just can't play it. And 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:32.400 so if I create a melody, I create a hook, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.360 I can hear what I wanted to sound like over 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.200 a track. I can hear you know, what the track 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.040 or what I would like the track to be. And sometimes, 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.320 you know, I'll go in and let producers know, you 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.840 know that play or players know that alight. I hear 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:54.000 you know, uh over this because this is what I'm saying, 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.000 you know, verbally, So I wanted to kind of match 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.720 what it is, and so I will give them I 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.080 hear horns, I hear you know, and so you know, 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.320 they'll play these things and create them and then go 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.160 on their own away with it, which is what creativity 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.080 is about. So you know, sometimes I you know, record 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.320 like that when I think of the hook first, but 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.280 nine of the time I like to get the beat 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.600 and then I'll create around that. Man, we'sh your relationship 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.199 like now with jay Z you mentioned them earlier. Yeah, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.319 I mean me and Hope we have a relationship, but 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.640 it's distant. You know, we don't we don't speak often, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.400 you know, but when we see each other's love, it's cool. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.520 You know on the five you know, I ever need 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.880 to hit them for anything. It's it's love as cool 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.080 as no you know so and vice versa. You know. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.840 So it's just you know, it's it's that's that's the condlation. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.800 It's just kind of like, you know, we'd be he's 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.560 doing what he's doing, what I'm doing, what I'm doing, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.840 but mutual respect and love from you know, where we 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:06.280 come from. I you know, I look at you know, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:13.480 what Jay is and and what X was rest in 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.600 peace and what I am as we all come from 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.440 the same school of them seeing the doghouse. You know 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:25.040 that that that that mentality of battle rap and and everything. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.720 I know, I make the the you know, but I 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.520 didn't come from that. You know, I can know you 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.000 can hear it. And even when you even when you're 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:40.040 doing the hippop slash R and B whatever they want 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.920 to call it or whatever, you can hear the competitive 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.600 spirit in it. It's a gristive, you know, it's like 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.920 going in you know, so you can definitely hear it. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.600 And speaking of X and we just mentioned jay Z, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.800 you guys had that murder inc group rap group at 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.960 one point. It never materialized. Whatever happened to that. It 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.720 wasn't really for me. It was never really a group. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.680 We would never really agree. So what was that about? 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.480 Because y'all was on the God he wanted us to 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.679 be a group. God God, he wanted us to make 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.719 a group album. Yeah, And it's just, you know, your 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.120 will is so crazy because EX and X and J 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:26.480 so competitive. We all were very competitive. I'm very competitive 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:30.719 with those guys. But they had a a competitive thing 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.560 that was like I just well, it was just you know, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.040 and then I guess it stemmed from their old battle 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:41.439 that they had or whatever, and and there competitive spirit 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.760 was just crazy. It was hard to get them in 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.840 the same mood together, but they respected each other as 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.640 mcs and and and I think that's important, you know, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:58.920 first and foremost not you well, now, yeah, I definitely listen. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.800 I was the younger and and and I was, you know, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.719 realistically with it. I was just happy to be there. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.800 I was hable to be a part of that. You know, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.480 I was younger than them, but you know, I felt 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.680 like I was on part with them, like I'm on 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.240 you know, their level as far as making records and 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.520 then seeing I just felt I was there, you know 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:22.720 what I mean. And and you know, I didn't have 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:27.760 any issues with being a part of the situation when 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.520 I ever wanted to put together other than I felt 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:37.760 like this, if this happens, this will always be my 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.760 legacy of you know, John started with that Mega group 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.640 and that's how he blew up. So when it didn't 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.520 happen that way and I started making my own records 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.640 and started blowing up and becoming something, then I was like, Okay, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:59.440 now I feel like I really belonged a part of it, right. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.280 I didn't feel like before then, I didn't feel like 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.960 even though they accepted me as one of the three 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.360 of the group, I felt like these two had proven 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:15.240 to the world that they earned, that they are those mcs, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.040 those type of m c s, and then I just 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.080 feel like I didn't at that moment, At that point, 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.360 I hadn't proven myself, you know, to the world, and 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.360 as I started making my mark, then I felt like, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.560 you know, wow, I wish this would have came to fruition. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.840 But I always think about that scenario of you know, 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.720 what that would have been for me as an artists, 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.400 and and I'm kind of happy it went the way 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.840 it did. Yeah, when I saw that that cover XXL, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:52.040 I was like, shit, Like, oh man, that rude d 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.400 M X jay Z. Are you talking about a supergroup? 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:02.760 Like say, I was like, if that happened, it's a rap. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.760 You know, I would have definitely liked at least Hee 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.360 one one album, But you know, things happening, And I 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.040 think every record we did was dope though. Yeah, that's 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.240 that's facts. Every record we did we do from you know, 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:20.240 from from It's Murder the Murder Gram and X and 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:25.160 Jay did Money Cash Hose and me and Jay the 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.200 Gangster Ship, and like we just we had a we 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.320 had a a like, you know, if we was to 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.960 put that project together then back then, and it would 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.760 have been you know, me and next doing the record 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.200 here and me and Jane and then all of us, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.240 and you know, it would have been crazy. It would 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:52.320 have been very crazy. Man, take me back two the eighties. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.120 Jeffrey Atkins growing up in Queens Man, Man, what was 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.640 that like? It was hip hop? A lot of it 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.639 was a lot of hip hop culture, you know, in 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.120 in my in my hood because run DMC l cool 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.600 j Yeah, he's do you know run you know, big up, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.360 big up, big up to to my big brother godfather, 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:22.439 run Um Run DMC was right from I was like 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.120 they want two or five? And how this was where 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.600 they was right right there and I'm right up to 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.840 block on what night one and would all but I 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.800 used to be, you know, on Hollos all the time, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.280 and that's what we used to get money right there 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.040 on that block over there, and so I used to 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.199 see them all the time come through. And I remember 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:51.840 this story vividly like it was yesterday. The d m C. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:58.320 They shot the dm C whatever d um he had 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:03.840 a black A fifty the pop up lights A fifty. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:14.120 I BMW me and it's some weird crazy way that 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.600 car played a big role in my life because it 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:25.440 inspired you exactly inspired me. I was like, man, I 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.200 want that car. I want that car. Was so amazing 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.480 to me. And so as as you know, as I 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.600 got in you know, junior high school and going in 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.800 high school and we saw selling drugs and the block 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.200 and you know, ship like that. That was the other 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:50.000 success story that I was able to witness coming out 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.480 of my neighborhood, not some point because you know, people 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.000 not you know, hustling and drug dealing and and how 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:04.160 um some some of our you you know, make money 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:09.800 in our neighborhoods. But everybody wants to be successful, and 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.520 I think, you know, people don't understand that the first 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:18.240 signs of success, the first successful people I've seen was 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:23.359 you know, because I was getting money on the streets 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:30.680 and so being from Hollis, seeing another success story somebody 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.960 else that did something other than that and had that 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.800 was important because for me it was like, okay, you know, 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.439 this is one way to achieve that, but there's the 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.200 other way. I could be like run DMC, I could 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.480 you know, when you never see anybody from your hood 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:57.199 or from your regional area make it, it makes it 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.720 feel like it's that much harder to achieve. I've never 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.920 seen anybody come from here and make it. That's why 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.480 y'all was so important. That's why with you and Face 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.720 and be Bushwick and the ghetto boys at WHI y'all 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.320 did for the South was so important. Y'all gave these 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:20.920 young aspiring artists and wrapped, you know, talented young motherfucker's 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:27.800 a vision of date from right here in Houston. I 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.600 see Willie, I see Space, I see them all the time, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.840 and they're doing it. And that was that. That was 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.159 enough to inspire the next generation of mcs and for 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.960 running you know, run DMC. That was that for me. 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.679 It was that was enough to inspire me to Okay, 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:50.760 let me let me explore something other than this, because 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.840 this is the only outlet that I thought I had 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.600 out and and and thank God for that, you know 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.359 what I mean? Thank God and all I said all 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.480 the time, thank God for hip hop. Yeah yeah, m hmm. 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:12.119 If my homework is correct, you was raised by a 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:19.080 single mother, Yeah, yeah, so were what what was the 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:25.080 financial situation where y'all like poor, you know, medium, you know, alright, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:30.159 what what was going on? Man? See he's crazy? So 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:37.639 my my my grandparents, we're more stable at a house 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:42.200 you know, grass car you know. And where did they live. 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.359 They lived in Hollis as well. They lived like kind 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:49.719 of were running mc wherever at so two or seven 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.560 and for instance, Lewis is like maybe a block offer Hollie. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.760 So so it's a nice you know, a house there, 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:01.280 but houses here, you know, you know, you know how 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.480 that go. So they had a nice stable environment and 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:10.440 my mom knew that, and so she made me stay 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:14.720 with my grandparents and live with my grandparents for a 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:19.400 while until I was about eleven twelve years old, which 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.359 was cool, and they were they were Joe's witnesses, my 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.439 my my grandparents and as well as my mother, my mother, 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:31.359 my family. And so as I as I got older, 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:36.280 I started to you know, seem more learn more about 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:38.680 the religion. And my mother she got this fellowship. And 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.800 when when you get this fellowship, just like it's like 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.720 they banish you, like to just on you from the 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.200 from the congregation and nobody's allowed to speak to you. 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.920 So a mother would come get me like just on 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.520 weekends like that. That was like her time to spend 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.560 with me was on weekends. And so once she got 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:01.040 this fellowship. They kind of cut that time my grand 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:06.879 because you gets banished. My grandparents stopped the visits and 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.439 it was like, you know, this is trying to explain 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.400 it to me and whatever the best way they could possible. 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.440 But at that point in time, when you're that age, 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:20.320 you know, it's like a that's like a really it's 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.080 like a really weird age because you like coming of age, 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:28.280 you understand things, you're coming into you know, young adulthood, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.399 but you're still very much a child, you know, you 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.000 know what I'm saying around that twelve year old age. 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:39.639 And so I made decisions as a young man, you know, 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:47.520 at that at that moment, to choose my mother and 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:53.399 her situation and you know, over the comfortability of being 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:58.920 you know, with my grandparents. So you so, I so 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.879 I left because my mother couldn't come see me like that. 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:03.160 I said, you know, this is not what I want 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.840 to do. This is this is not you know what 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:10.560 this should be about this, you know, this religion thing. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.320 So I left, I'm stay with my mom. And from 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:19.119 that point on it was different. Everything was different from me, 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:25.119 Like that comfortability of having my grandparents as a you know, 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:29.040 crutch and every things there, you know, food and you 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:34.720 know whatever. It wasn't the same anymore. It was you, yeah, 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.200 we're moving from place to place, and you know, like 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.119 I said, the family is really not fucking with us 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.400 at all. It was like we were the black sheep 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.440 to the family. No, my mother was looked upon as 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.800 the outcast, you know, like she she was a bad 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.920 person to them. And my mother never went back to 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.080 the religion, which was fine with me. So what was 0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:01.760 like like one of the like more serious type of 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:06.119 situations when you were growing up that made you say, like, 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:12.439 I can't live like this when you know, one day 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.080 I came home from school and there was a viction 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:15.840 notice on the door. It wasn't the first time I've 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.359 seen the viction ortice on the door, you know, you know, 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.600 we take it down and it was over I seeing it, 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.560 bringing bringing the crib, you know, tell my mom you 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.240 have no on the door, you know, whatever, whatever. But 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.880 this time was different because not you know, I took 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.800 the viction nor was reported into my mom, and she 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:43.240 broke down. She broke down, and at that time, you know, 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:49.680 in my neighborhood and just in hoods across America, crack 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:56.040 cocaine was very very uh you know, vibring in the neighborhood. 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.520 It was moving. The motherfucker's was selling it. Everybody was 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.800 doing It was like, it wasn't like you had to 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.080 be you didn't have to be no drug kingpin or nothing. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.679 You go get a pack and and and just get 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.800 on the block and start moving, you know. And so 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:15.159 at that moment, my mom she broke down, and she 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:19.280 she was just basically telling me how sorry she was 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:23.119 and you know whatever, you know, and and and she 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.800 didn't really have an answer at that moment for what 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:33.920 was gonna be our next situation. And so at that moment, 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:40.359 I think I became a man because I knew that 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.600 I couldn't break down and cry with her. I knew 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:47.480 that I had to be strong for her, even though 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.240 I didn't know what the fun was about to have it. 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.880 I just like, this is, you know, we were gonna 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:53.480 get thrown out of here, and I don't know where 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.880 we're gonna go. I'm probably about twelve thirteen years old, 0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.000 you know what I mean. But I knew right then 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:03.280 and there like this is a changing point, that that 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.880 was the changing point for me. I knew I had 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:10.920 to be strong for my mom and whatever whatever, I 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.240 had to do that from this point, I'll do to 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.359 help my mom because I felt like it's just me 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.520 and her now, it's just me huggin's world. Like I'm like, 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:25.880 we're not getting no assistance from you know, my grandparents anymore. 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:30.399 It's just you know, fan, her brothers, everybody stopped speaking 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.520 to him. So it was like, you know, it was 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.280 but that's the thing. It's a religious thing. It's not. 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.359 So I'm not just saying that it was an evil thing, 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.359 even though it sounds that way. I know, to the 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.840 you know, to the normal listen or whatever, that's that's 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.840 that's how the religion goes. Did you feel any pressure 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:53.440 to become a Jehova Witness? No, not at all. I 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.920 you know, they make you do it, absolutely, But you 0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.080 know what, what kid is not made to go to 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.080 church through these and he's young, you know, so yeah, 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.120 so I was made to go and I didn't want 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:05.680 to go, but you know, you had to go, and 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.280 you did it, and I did it. But once I 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.760 was with my mom, I never looked back on it. 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:18.359 I actually looked at the religion as bad evil because 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.800 I'm like, this is what broke up my family, this 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.320 is doing this religion, Like my family would be together, 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.560 my mom, my grandparents would be This wouldn't be my 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.680 life if it wasn't for this religion. So the religion. 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.680 I hated the religion because of it. I blame the 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.600 religion for all of that, Like this is the religious fault. 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.960 What I'm going through and my mom is going through, 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.840 what we're all dealing with, is this religion. And I 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:43.760 felt that way because as I got older and my 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:45.920 mom got a chance to explain to me what she 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.080 really did to get banished, and I'm like, that's it. 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.800 I'm like, that's all you think is so, So that's 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.840 all I'll fill you in because it's not even a 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:57.800 big deal. So when your Joe's when you're not allowed 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:02.240 to associate with corner worldly people, worldly people, or people 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.800 who are not in the religion. So you work at 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.040 a job or you go to school, who the funding 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.960 you just dealing with. You're dealing with worldly people. You 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:13.760 work with these people, these are and and and it 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.880 doesn't make them bad people because they're not Jehovah's witnesses. 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.000 You understand what I'm saying. But you're not allowed or 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.960 not supposed to associate with these people because they're not 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.959 of this religion. Now. I know they may have loosened 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.480 up the way it works and ship like that now, 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.240 but that's the way it worked there. Say this is 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:34.040 why my motherfuck cousin, don't be asking the phone. I 0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:41.160 knew it was that deep know what, he's Jehovah's witness 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:45.160 man and you you're a worldly person, you do worldly 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:52.680 things they're not gonna do. But that was that, that 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.880 was what it was about. And so you know, she 0:29:56.120 --> 0:30:01.239 got dispellership because after to work she'd go with her 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.760 co workers and ship, go have drinks and stuff like that. 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:09.160 Regular people ship go out to clubs and you know whatever, 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.000 and party would help, you know. So in my mother's eyes, 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.480 she was living a double life because you're not supposed 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.280 to do these things. And she, my mother would go 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:18.320 to the go to the Keenom Hall church and then 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.040 right out of the churches, getting a move on, and 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.360 go down to the party with the co workers and ship. 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.000 And so when she got this fellowship, she felt like, 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.280 you know what, fucking I'm cool, I'm free, you know 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:30.400 what I'm saying. I don't have to fake who I 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.760 am and I'm not doing no pig, I'm not doing 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.400 nothing that's crazy. I'm yeah, I like to fucking go 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.400 out and have some fun or whatever and and show 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:40.960 once I learned about what it when I was saying, 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.600 you know whatever, so now here it's the crazy ship. 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:51.080 Right as I get into the music business started coming 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:56.600 a star ship like that. It's all good now, it 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:01.320 was all good families all back but one moment, yo, 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:06.400 And I know for a fact it was because of 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:11.360 who I was becoming that was bringing the family back together, 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:16.480 you know, my celebrity, my stuff. And I could have 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:18.880 looked at it as you know what or now everybody 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.560 wants to come around, you know, you know the but 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.920 I've seen the the joy and the happiness in my 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:30.360 mother's eyes to have her brother, you know, back, and 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:32.680 and and you know they spoke, of course, but it 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.280 wasn't just the relationship wasn't the same. And I think 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:41.000 the relationships always had a little something there after. But 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.840 for me to see, you know, my family be back together, 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.000 I don't, I don't. I don't care. What's the circumstances 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:50.600 of what it is and what did it. I can 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.520 have my own thoughts about it or whatever. But I 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:57.560 just know that my mother is happy. They're happy to 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:02.520 be together again. And and and if it took you know, 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.280 my celebrity, my hip hop to do that too, that's 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.320 cool too. Yeah, you know what I mean? How did 0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:16.760 you decide to go the route of primarily talking about 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.440 love situations, relationships and things like that, because that's where 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.360 people know you for that. I mean, I saw your 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.960 show and you know, hey, man, the women came out. 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.960 It's like the women come out for ja Rue, Like, 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.120 how did you decide that? Okay, I'm gonna go this 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:42.640 route of talking about relationships, you know, the ups and downs, 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:44.720 the end and as the highs and lows or whatever, 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:49.120 as opposed to talking about hardships, you know, because you 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.920 knew a lot about hardships, and most rappers who know 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.960 about hardships, that's how they get on. They talk about 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.680 that's what we did. Yeah yeah, but what But what 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.000 I'm saying is that, yeah, you do talk about hardships, 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:05.960 but primarily you're known for the relationship side. And that's 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.160 not a knock because I'll explain, when you do it 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.600 the way you do it, you're in pocket with it. 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:18.200 Like when you hear somebody here j rou talk about relationships. 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:24.320 They're listening to a person who's given sage advice. That's 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:28.200 a person that knows, okay, like it sounds like the 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.880 ship that I'm going through. What he's talking about, It's 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.120 like what I'm going through right now. You know. So, 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:35.880 but but but how how do how do you? How 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.920 do you? How do you feel about that? Like being 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:43.479 known more for you know, the relationships side of uh 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.600 rapping as opposed to speaking of the hardships. You know 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:53.440 where oftentimes when people uh, when they compare it to 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:57.240 the people who talk about the hardships, oftentimes more often 0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:00.640 you know, they get more shine, you know, or they 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.520 get a lot more respect. I'm talking about not just 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.280 in record sales, but as far as how people revere them. 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.359 I do, I do understand exactly what you're saying. Um, 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:17.760 Like take a two part fans you know, spoke about 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:25.160 his pain all the time, and he's revered differently. UM 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:34.520 for me, you know, making records for for for for 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.560 for the females. It was it was a conscious decision too, 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.360 you know, um, when you when you know, like like 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.960 we were talking about it earlier, when I was in 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:50.520 between two monsters to juggalizes my two brothers, J and X. 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:57.520 And Jay was you know, money personified, and now was 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:02.840 his you know, his possana, and X was the streets. 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:05.919 And I'm you know, I'm a little bit of both, 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.560 you know, I'm I'm a little bit grimy and you know, 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.319 I'm a little flashy, like I like a little bit 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:16.720 of both of them, you know. And nobody was feeling 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:20.719 that Lane and I of of catering and talking to 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:27.000 the ladies in that way. And and so yeah, when 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:30.920 I made my second album, I wanted to be different. 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.359 I wanted to be as different as possible. I grew 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.280 my hair, you know, I was, you know, basically bored 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.480 before that, you know, and you know, the low season 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:45.600 like seasons, and I grew my hair, had braids and 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:53.680 started making music that reflected what I was going through now, okay, 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:58.279 now what I've been through, what I'm seeing, and what 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:03.560 I'm going through now. Okay, So my second album, I 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:09.000 went got this big mansion out in Beverly Hills. Um 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:14.640 actually wasn't the Whos and uh uh, it was Hollywood Hills, 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:23.120 Lord King, and we were just living like ghetto fabulous. 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:27.359 It was like the most flies sucked up the house 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.560 you ever wanted to see with beautiful house. But we 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:34.520 had like renaissent the furniship in the motherfucker. Yeah, we 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:36.600 was we was doing what were doing? You know, we 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.359 didn't know, Yeah, we didn't know no better. We had 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.880 a room that we called the Dome and it was 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:47.480 just like eight beds in the motherfucker for all homies, 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:54.840 you know. So, but we were we were starting to see, 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.239 you know, through all the homies out he's you know, 0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.040 we were starting to live. We're starting to see you 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:05.160 were going out. Also, I was night every night, every night, 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:07.239 you know, and and we in l A you know, 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:11.440 you know that first, you know. So, and so the 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.240 music started to reflect and I wanted the music to reflect. 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.040 I wanted my sound and everything to be different. It 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.480 was different. It was what I was becoming versus what 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.200 I was and when I went through. And you know, 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.560 that's the beauty of your first album, and first album 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.800 is it's it's a body of work, that's your whole 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.960 life up until that point. You know what I'm saying. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.720 That's why people's first albums are special to so many fans, 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.560 and you know, because it is that body of work. 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.239 That's you know, from when I was you know, you 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.600 get those records on my first album and we gotten signed. 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.080 I'm talking about my father and daddy's a little baby 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:46.960 who I'm talking about my daughter, and you know, you know, 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:48.960 you know what I'm saying. Those are those are records 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.000 that you know, once I got to the second album, 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.000 Rule through three six, I wasn't holding from five. I 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.040 was on a we out here living it up, you know, 0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:00.920 say we you know, to vibe the music change because 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.160 that's what I was experienced, That's what I was going through. 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.120 But I also, like I said, I made a conscious 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:13.319 decision to cater more to my female audience because they 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:17.040 were catering the meat. I was seeing that, you know 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:21.240 that I was getting a heavy swell of female audience 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:24.759 and so as they gave me the love, I gave 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.319 it right back to them, and it reflected in the music. 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.000 And I'm telling you, def Jam didn't like that album. 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.239 They didn't like my second album at all. They didn't 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:35.200 want me to Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then it was 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:41.600 then it was then it was different thinking about those 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.160 songs that you made, Like when you know you mentioned 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:48.120 you know how you know pot the comparison there, that's 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:53.280 a good comparison. The difference is that pot Pot struggle 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:58.719 songs were played on the radio. Your struggle songs were not. No, 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.360 And that's the difference. And I think, but you know, 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:05.719 here's the here's the craziesh about it. See William Yo, 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:10.880 There's so many records that I wanted to make, singles 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:16.760 that I felt would have put me in a different 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:24.239 m h heartened space of the people along with those 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:29.200 the records. But at the time, you know, when when 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.560 I was doing what I was doing, it was you know, 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.880 first single, second single, hopefully third single on to the 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.520 next album, you know what I mean. You didn't get 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.759 to do like how artists get to do so many 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:46.600 records off the album today and give you so many 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.440 different visuals. I wish I could have did that. I 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:51.000 wish I could have did that. I wish there was 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:52.680 so many records that I wish I could I wish 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.279 I wanted to do a video for fucking only begotten Son, 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.399 like they let me do that these little baby because 0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.560 it was about my daughter, you know, but it didn't 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:05.080 slap like you know, uh some of my bigger records, 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.240 you know, Holla, Holla was my first really hit record, 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:14.759 and and you know, so, so what happens sometimes with 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:19.560 all the like myself, that that the labels figure out 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:25.759 this guy is capable of making really big records. They 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.160 want you to make those records, and if you make 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.879 those records, those are the records that they're gonna put out. 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.360 And that's what I was kind of up against. I 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.160 love to make those records too, and so they were 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:42.400 on every album because if you listen to my albums, 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:46.520 it's a contrast of everything. It has those records as 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:50.160 my street records, that has my feeling records that they're 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:53.360 all on there. It's just the labeled new the ones 0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.680 to say, these are the money makers and we're gonna 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.480 let those be you know, the album. So so my 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.120 real hard fans that's why that show die hard with 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:06.040 me because they know the records like Passion. They know, 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.120 you know, they they hear six Ft under the Ground. 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.680 They listen to those records and they're like, rule these records, 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:17.160 you know, never again. These records are very very like 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.799 those type of records. That's over the Passion records. They 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.720 you know, but those are some of my favorite records. 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:32.200 That's why I created, uh, a concert series coll Vibes, 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.879 and I haven't done one yet. I'm doing the first 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.960 one and it's gonna come up in a couple of 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:48.520 months maybe maybe soon. So you take and it will 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.160 be dope for y'all to do one too. So I 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.719 was inspired by Versus and I have my own live 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.120 streaming platform. It's called icon Live. It's an app store 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:04.480 which you can go get that absolutely, but um uh, 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:08.200 it's a it's a it's a concert series that I'm 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.040 gonna do on on icon But also, you know, we 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.080 have the ability to do a lot now the world's 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.080 back open, so but I wanted to be a warm, 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:22.560 intimate setting kind of like um MTV m plugs meets Rhuma. Reason. So, 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:28.320 the concept of it is you're take an iconic artists 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.719 and they do their classic album from front to back, 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:38.960 live band, telling the stories behind the music, what they 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.160 were going through, and they made this album because people 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:45.239 those classic albums. You think of these, you know those 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:49.080 really really dope albums. You you get the Deal Boys 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:53.920 album or you know, Fucking Miseducation Lauren Hill, or you 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.240 know some of these just really cool, dope dope albums 0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.520 that people really really would love to hear what the 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.759 fund artist was going through when you mean that, you 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:06.960 know what I mean? It's that and it's a concert 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.839 series and it's warm and it's intimate, and you tell 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.440 the stories behind the music with the live band, and 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.839 then you released the album as a live album after 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:20.600 that and as a whole new life. So so so 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.160 this is what the Vibes Concert Series is gonna be about. 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.960 I'm gonna start and do the first you know, concert series. 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:32.279 I'm going to do any very VICI live and you know, 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:46.719 pullout my face. Yeah yeah, yeah, man, his story? Man, 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:52.200 whose idea was it to pair you and ashante Um? 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:56.000 You know, of course she was a part of the label. 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.879 She was artist on the label. A hell of a run. 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.759 I mean, y'all could not miss. Yeah, we have a 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:06.800 great chemistry, man, but yeah, we absolutely doe. Whose idea 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:11.719 was that? I mean, you know, I don't know who's idea. 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:13.919 You know, it's it's just something that kind of really 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.680 really just happened. You know. Home used to be in 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:21.120 the studio. He was, you know, studio rat and it 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.440 was all the time. Every day she'd beat there a 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.880 little hoodie on and sweats and ship just soaking it 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:31.080 up right, and you know, and you know, I was 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:35.279 making all these big records, female records and ship and 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:43.600 at the time we were constructing, I just did like, 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:46.839 ain't it funny Always on Time? I mean, I'm sorry, 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.719 not anything, I'm real, Ain't it funny for j Lo? 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:57.759 And and you know, those records were skyrocketing, and I 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.800 think it was working on Always on Time, and we 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:03.760 were looking for a different artists to put on Always 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:07.200 on the Town. You know, god he was. He put Alicia, 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.279 you know, Beyonce. Let's get somebody, you know, big, big 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.600 name on this record. And I was like, yeah, we 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.080 got you know, home girls, you see it all the time. 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.760 Let's give her us. Let it there. She dreaded reference 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.279 these other records, and she has a pretty well yeah, 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.120 so she you know, she she came and did it. 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:30.520 Knock it out. It sounded amazing, and it's like, Okay, 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.480 this is it. Let's front, you know what I mean. 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.160 And then we and then it was after that it 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.360 was put on, put a body on this, put a 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.240 body on that. Last, let's you know this, this chemistry 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.120 is dope that we have. And and so we made 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:45.920 a lot of records together all the dope records together 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:48.480 and we crush it. You know what I'm saying. We 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:56.920 we we became something of our generation that wasn't there. Man. 0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.960 I just thought about some ship. I just thought, what 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:07.640 thought about? What's the man? You and a shanty? Oh? 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:12.160 The motherfucking asked for the Simpson of him, the ash 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:19.920 for the Simpson of hip hop. You know, because asked 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.000 for the Simpson. Could not miss when they got in 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.600 the studio as far as like female male that that 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:30.719 that that chemistry that they had there was unmatched. I 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:34.080 mean they could not miss. And you and Ashante could 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.440 not miss. You know, that was beautiful man. And when 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:41.440 chemistry yeah, and you know, and to see that, to 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.719 see that at you know, at the you know, during 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:47.560 the versus battle, to see her come back out and 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:52.560 do her thing, like man, y'all the energy that y'all had, man, 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:57.000 I mean, the nostalia that that it that it brought back, 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:01.400 It was like absolutely, man. Just it was appreciative. I 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:05.160 mean I was appreciative of it, you know, like I 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.840 was like, this is like it felt like it was 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:12.520 in a time capsule, you know, like nobody was missing, 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:17.319 you know, a beat that was beautiful man, like, how 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.680 did that verses come about in the first place? Who 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.480 made the call that? You know that it came together 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:27.719 so quick, it was like two weeks. It was yeah, 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.200 because man, it seemed like you prepared for that though, 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.200 it's like you must have been already ready or something. 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.319 He was seeing like he was cocking loaded for that thing, 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:39.719 you know, Like I said, man, I people don't really 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.000 know where I come from in the m C or 0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:46.160 why you know, we were dogs, man, we come we 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.479 come from that that that school and what I'm seeing 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.319 just because I made you know, pretty female record. That's 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.840 my talent. That's what I'm able to do outside of 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:59.279 just rapping in them seeing But I go, you know 0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.200 that's that's not you know nothing, that's neither you know there, 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:07.759 but the verses that it came about so quick. You know. 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.320 I was actually I was getting about to get in 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:16.120 the shower and I see the call from Swiss. I'm like, oh, ship, 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.759 so it's you know, it's called me that Austen. That's 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.239 it's about some business and ship. So I'm like, all right, 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.759 what's this must be? Versus? You know what I'm saying 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:29.440 is said to me about And I'm like okay, well, 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.480 well let's see what's happening. At first, I'm, you know, 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.680 thinking this is gonna be versus with me and the 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:37.080 other guy or whatever. But then I see fat Joe's 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.840 also on my line, and I'm like, okay, let me 0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.000 see what Joe was talking about. So I called Joe. 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.880 Joe's like, yeah, versus rule. I'm like, okay, so that 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:48.439 my opponent is you, Joe, And I like, I would 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:51.160 you know, I'm with it, you know whatever, whatever, And 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.920 I called Swiss and he laid it down for you 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.760 know what it was. I have seen so many verses songs. 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.080 You know, all right, let's do it. Cracks are a 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.080 good friend, and it'll be friendly and it'll be fun, 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.360 and you know, I ain't got to kill nobody. And 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.200 you know what I liked. What I liked about it 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.200 was that, you know, for the most part, it was 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:18.200 very respectful. But they did come that time when he 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.879 made the comment about you know a little more in vita. 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:25.239 You know what I'm saying, And you know, and you 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:29.520 jumped on that real quick. Yeah, not on my watch, baby, 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:32.200 You're gonna disrespect the ladies on my wife's crack. But 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.480 I do know, I know, it's on the heat a battle. Yeah, yeah, 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:37.799 and I felt that and I felt this apology too. 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:41.200 I thought, yeah, I thought his apology was was very sincere. 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.480 He apologized that night before anything even really hit. The 0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:46.920 fans and the ladies didn't even really know what he 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:51.680 was apologizing for. So you know, he he handled it. 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.520 And then we spoke, you know, behind the scenes. You know, 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.160 were brothers, so you know, we hold each other accountable 0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:00.480 as we should as men. And I'm like, crack, there's 0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:04.840 no you know, you you already apologize, but you know 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:13.080 it was a public display of you know, disrespect, so 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:19.560 you gotta give that same public apologize and so yeah, 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:23.520 and to his credit, he did absolutely, you know. And 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.560 the thing about it is that there's some people that's 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:30.839 on his level that would hold their nuts on that apology. 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.839 You're like, yeah, you know, he ain't I gotta apologize, 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:35.320 you know what I'm saying? Why why you know, like 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.120 that type of thing. You know, he knew he was wrong, right, 0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.200 he knew he knew you know that that that was 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.319 you know, wrong and over the line. And you can't 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.359 you you know, you're not you can't talk to these 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.359 these women like that. You can't talk to these black 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.439 queens like that crack, you know, and so he knew. 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:56.279 But you know, like sometimes when you you're in that 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.520 zone and you're doing the thing. I'm not making no 0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:01.440 excuse us for what he said, what he did. You know, 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.040 he said what he said and he apologized for it. 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:07.120 But I do know how you can say some crazy 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:10.400 shit sometimes when you when you when you in that 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:16.839 in that in that doghouse, but you're in that doghouse. Yeah, yeah, 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:22.560 I feel that. What do you think about the current 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:27.480 state of hip hop? And do you think that it's 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:34.440 in good hands? And if so, whose hands are we 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:39.520 talking about? Like, you know, how do you feel about 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:44.719 the current state of hip hop? Um? I love the 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.040 current state of hip hop. And I'm gonna tell you 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:56.440 why we as hip hop legends, historians, you know, Elder Statesman, 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:03.040 we like to see see things sometimes through our own 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:08.959 lenses because we know hip hop to being a certain way, 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:15.000 we grew up on it a certain way. But for me, 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:22.880 as I looked at the evolution of hippop, it's it's changed. 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:27.200 Every two to four years, something new has come out 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.880 of hip hop m and so it's the same to me. 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:37.600 It's it's just elevating out of a more global pace. 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:43.520 It's seeing artists from home genres and spectrums and and 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:47.760 and cultures. You know, you got you know, African artists 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:51.560 and they're doing afrobeats music, and you know you got 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:56.640 reggaetone artists, and you got you know, we have gay 0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:02.600 uh rappers. Now we have free type of country, rappy, 0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:06.920 type of rapper that you can think of exists. Were 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:12.640 the only genre music that confused with any music rock, pop, country, 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:17.440 It doesn't matter. That's the power of hip hop. And 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:20.200 when I look at it like that, I'm like, we 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:26.040 have to let it be that. It's odd artists, what 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.200 you can get away with. That's what war Hole said. 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.280 That's not my quote, that's what the fucking great Warhole said. 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.120 He said, artist, what you can get away with? And 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:40.000 you gotta look inside that and understand the meaning of that. M. 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:44.440 You understand if I can put a value on something 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:53.640 that's worth something to you, that's odd. M hmm. Do 0:53:53.800 --> 0:54:00.239 you think that an artist perhaps is going to far 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:05.080 to make a statement like Lena's X made where he said, 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:07.480 fuck your kids? Did you know that? Did he? Do 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.040 you know? He said that he said yeah. He said, 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.480 he actually said fun your kids. On on the Breakfast Club, 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:18.080 DJ Envy asked him about his responsibility, asked him about 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:22.680 his responsibility to children, and he said, fuck your kids, 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.359 and and then he said, well, you know, not really 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:30.000 funk your kids, but funk your kids, you know, like uh, 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:32.840 And I know, like none of us are perfect. You know, 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:36.000 we've all staying and fallen shot of Glory Guard and 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:41.560 we all if you don't have some questionable lyrics, some 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:44.439 lyrics that have pushed the boundaries, you're really a great artist, 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:47.399 what I'm saying. So we we've all you know, had 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.279 our moments or whatever. But you know, one thing that 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:54.160 I have never subscribed to is saying fun the kids, 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:58.480 you know, like you know, like yeah, you know, everybody's 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:03.720 entitled to be who they are and you know, express 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.000 themselves as an artist and expressed their hearts. I don't, 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:07.719 you know, I don't care. I want everybody to be there, 0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.919 don't want everybody be happy being them. But like I said, 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:13.040 we all have to hold it, tell accountable for things 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:17.799 when they're wrong. That's it, just things when they're right 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:23.160 and wrong, you know. And if little Nasa said your kids, 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:27.120 that's on the wrong side of things. You know, you 0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.520 can feel who you want, little Nozi, you can do 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:33.080 all the stuff that you want to do. Nobody, at 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:34.920 least not me. I'm not knocking that man for what 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.440 he does. I don't you know. I happen to think 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:42.600 he makes good music when you trash. Yeah, but we can, 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.040 we can. You know that. That's that that that's the 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:49.600 thing about music is subjective. That's true. It's subjects true, 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:53.040 you know. And so and so when I when I 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:56.680 think about you know, the responsibility that we have is artists. 0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.000 We have big responsibilities artists. I didn't learn that responsibility 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:04.400 to I. You know, learn that responsibility you understand. And 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.120 I think a lot of artists can attest to that. 0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:08.520 You know, we all came out while and and and 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.400 and and wanted our freedom of speech and wanted to 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:14.160 say funk this and funk that, and and that's just 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:17.080 the way hip hop always bred us to be. And 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.719 that's the way we always were. But wrong is wrong, 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:22.560 and we almost hold each other accountable when things are wrong, 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.240 and and and that goes across the border around spectrum. 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:28.719 So if we if we want to sit down and 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:32.239 have a real conversation, about hip hop and the destruction 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:34.440 and the things that it does to our kids and 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:38.160 our communities. We could have that conversation, but I don't 0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.719 think my fucker's is really ready for that conversation because 0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:42.680 then we got to talk about drill music and this 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:46.000 and that and all kinds of ship. And then it's 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:52.280 tapping in the ship that people feel comfortable with, you understand, 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:56.719 because it's not making them uncomfortable. And I think that's 0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.040 what art does. It pushes the boundaries in a lot 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.520 of ways and sometimes just not always gonna be comfortable 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:05.400 when you are making a statement and pushing the boundary, 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.600 whether it's you know, Little nos X being you know, 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:12.800 the first gay rapper, or whether it's you know, n 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:17.760 w A saying fun the police. It's the boundaries that 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:22.240 are being pushed that, you know, makes hip hop what 0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:24.680 it is and it makes hip hop special. So I 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:28.680 just think that when we have these conversations, it has 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:32.240 to be a broad conversation. It can't we can't single 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:35.080 out certain things. We got to bring it all to 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:37.200 the table, you know what I mean. And I've been 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:40.040 to I'm guilty of a gang of ship, you know, 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:42.439 I was saying about ecstasy and ship like that. I'm 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:47.080 sure there's kids to say because said it was. So 0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:51.200 I'm not sitting here acting like I haven't played my part. 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:53.800 And you know, I always say that all the time. 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:56.840 I dropped out of high school because care Rest once said, 0:57:57.480 --> 0:57:59.880 you know, I make about a gay a week fu school. 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:01.920 That was a real line to me. And I felt like, 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:04.040 if I could achieve a GI a week, I don't 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:07.240 need school. And as I started to make money selling drugs, 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.520 it was getting making the gym. We just didn't don't 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:12.680 need school. I tried out high school. You know, so 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:19.680 hip hop is very influential. You got kids that are 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:23.800 very impressionable, that listen to us, look up to us. 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:29.880 We're the heroes I know. You know Run DMC, you 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:35.280 know Mother Fucking Coogi Rap and Big Daddy Kane and these. 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:40.680 It was my het roes Man, heroes Man, Willie Dee's 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:45.439 car face. You know what I'm saying, was my heroes man. 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:50.240 And so I know how impressionable hip hop can be 0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:58.080 on young minds. And and and you know, I can 0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:04.800 never blame the artist for expressing their art. I never never. 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.000 You have the right to say and do what the 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.200 funk you want. Will there be consequences for something that 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:13.760 you say and do? Absolute fucking lukely, you know what 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:15.520 I'm saying. But you have the right to do it 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.360 and say it. You may have to pay for it 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:22.560 some way down the line, but but you have the right. 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:26.880 And that and that, and that is where I draw 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.080 my line when it comes to artistry and and and 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:33.120 morality and things of that nature. I think that we 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:39.920 can separate art from the man, and we should, under said, 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:42.320 and that way, the art gets to be the art 0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:45.480 and the people get to be the people. But it's 0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:47.360 very hard to do that now with social media. So 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:53.720 you know, yeah, to your point, I think that, yeah, 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:58.040 it is very important that you push those boundaries. I 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:01.520 think some of the best art that we've gotten was 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:04.240 because people pushed the boundaries. I mean, I don't want 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:07.240 to live in some plan dass world where all the 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:11.200 artists are just walking on eggshells and afraid to just 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:14.880 bust out and just get outside of the box. I 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:17.880 don't want to live in that type of world. But 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.440 I will say that's that's why you know, when I 1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:25.080 hear certain artists say certain things, I give them grace 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.919 because I know that I was that artists at one point. 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.640 And I know that, and I also know that there's 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:34.280 a certain amount of latitude that has to be granted 1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:40.640 when it comes to youth, you know, like I thought 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:42.600 that I knew some ship when I was younger, you know, 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:45.080 like I was saying some things on records and stuff, 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:47.200 and I thought, and people to this day to think 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:51.240 that I was like a profit or whatever. But as 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:56.200 I got older, you know, I started like realizing, like, man, 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:59.440 I I you know, it was so much more for 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:02.400 me to learn and that I just did not know. 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:10.120 And uh, I learned that that I do have a 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:15.040 responsibility as an artist. You know, I do have uh 1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:19.040 you know, I do need to because my thing was 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:22.120 always like I, hey, man, I'm responsible for what I say, 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:24.440 not how you interpret it. You know, that was my thing, 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:29.680 Like and no, you know, I'm responsible for how it's 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:33.360 interpreted also, you know, because like you say, there are 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:37.120 we do have young impressionable minds out there. And no, 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:42.520 it's not our job to raise kids. It starts at home, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:47.440 I agree that it starts with the parents first and foremost. 1:01:47.480 --> 1:01:50.520 It starts at home, but it does take a village 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:53.520 to raise a child, and we have to look out 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:56.720 for each other, you know, we have to, you know, 1:01:56.840 --> 1:01:59.360 we have to hold each other accountable, you know, like 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:01.600 you say, like, yeah, you could say whatever you want 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:05.600 to say, but you know, you the people that you 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:08.600 know wants to, you know, decide that we don't like 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:10.600 what you said. You can be brought to the table. 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:15.720 Gets to bring you to heare you know? So yeah, 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:18.200 I think we're on the same page. The man, you know. 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:22.840 I I know that some of the artists that are 1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:29.280 being criticized right now for that message, they're gonna get 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.680 wiser with age. And it's like Maya Angelo said, when 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:36.200 you know better, you do better, right, And we know 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:39.040 better because this is some things that we said fifteen 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:41.320 years ago we're not gonna say today. You know, I 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:48.200 listened to the records now made them well. We just 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:52.360 said things that you just can't say now. And it 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:56.280 was like shouting it loud, and this is like wow, 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:02.120 work things change, people to change. The world changes, you know, 1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:09.680 and and growth is important m hm, you know, for 1:03:09.880 --> 1:03:13.800 for everybody and every walk of life, but especially in 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:18.480 music and entertainment. You know, we do become the old 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:21.840 jis and it's important that we do. You know, when 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:25.000 we can, you know, pull pull, pull a young one 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:27.560 to the side and let them know, Yo, this is 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:30.040 what it is. This is You know, I ain't trying 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:32.120 to school you, but I'm trying to school you. You 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:37.560 know what I'm saying, like because it's it's it's that 1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:40.880 old saying that old you know, each one teach one. 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:45.760 We've lost that way in our community and we need 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:50.880 to bring that back. Like like, anytime I get a chance, man, 1:03:51.200 --> 1:03:53.280 I try to drop some knowledge on the young boys, 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:55.960 just let them know, like you're doing the right things, 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:58.360 but you know there's some things you could be doing 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:01.160 a little better. You know, Man, how do you feel 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:07.080 like being such a huge contributor to the hip hop 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:11.960 landscape that some youngsters don't know who John Rule is? 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:17.320 Like when you it's like, we know, it's like if 1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:20.200 you know, you know right, But there are some youngsters 1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:23.600 that like who like and Batman's and then versus happened. 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:26.920 It's like, oh not now you on everybody's radar. You know, 1:04:27.200 --> 1:04:31.880 how do you feel about the youngsters who may be 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:36.680 just not getting tuned into who Jah Rule is? But 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:40.160 at the same time, some of these guys who I 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:42.680 know for a fact what I think, even saying that 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:46.120 they were fans of jih Rule had to be influenced 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:48.320 by you, because you know what kind of music that 1:04:48.400 --> 1:04:53.240 they're making. How do you feel about, you know, the 1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:56.280 youngsters who don't really know who you are, but there, 1:04:56.960 --> 1:04:59.280 I guess they're warming up now to you. I mean, 1:04:59.320 --> 1:05:01.240 it's cool. I love that, you know, I love that 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:05.439 you know, you know we can transcend to the next 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:09.640 generation that, you know, That's what I was, you know, talking, 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:12.560 you know, joking with Crack. You know, he's he's saying like, 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:18.280 yesterday's his not today's hits. I'm like, yesterday's it's It's 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:23.919 not that's for sure, But you know, those those hits 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:25.800 that are able to stand at at the time was 1:05:25.920 --> 1:05:30.360 classic that never to never go away. And for me, 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:33.840 that's dope. You know, that's that's that's why we make that, 1:05:34.000 --> 1:05:38.400 That's why we make music. Like I'm so happy when 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:42.360 I hear a twenty year old say they know my music. 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:46.880 It's like some real it's crazy. I was just standing 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:51.280 next to one, you know, and your music was playing 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:54.040 and she was like jamming all of the words, and 1:05:54.120 --> 1:05:56.320 I was like, oh yeah, you was raised right, because 1:05:56.360 --> 1:06:00.880 that's good music. That's good music, man. And it's a 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:03.400 beautiful thing. Man. It's a beautiful thing to be able 1:06:03.440 --> 1:06:08.160 to to to span over a decade or two. Yeah, 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:12.160 and music can still resonate to, you know, a youth 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:15.000 full audience. And ship. That ship is, That ship is, 1:06:15.080 --> 1:06:17.400 that's what that's that's why we do it, man. Like 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:20.400 I still listen to all the old dope you know, 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:24.760 readA Franklin and saying I listen to all that. My 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:29.080 wife that's ship, all that she listen. She and KidSing, cooking, 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:31.280 all that's playing. You know. So my kids grew up 1:06:31.320 --> 1:06:35.360 on that too, you know, Like that's what I'm supposed 1:06:35.360 --> 1:06:37.120 to do with my kids. You know, they in the twenties, 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:39.840 they know all of that. You know, they know all 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:42.360 of that old school music, all that good old stool music. 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:52.400 They should you know you before versus he was kind 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:59.040 of off the radar. Yeah, where you been? Man? You know, 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:02.560 I see a little stuff happening here or there or whatever. 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:06.120 But like the music, like, are you gonna do music again? 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:08.800 Like put out some new stuff. You know, it's crazy. 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:13.320 I love making music, I said, rum every day, create 1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:19.040 music all the time. The problem with me and putting 1:07:19.040 --> 1:07:27.080 out music. You want. I want people to receive my 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:35.240 music because it's good music, or because it's bad music 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:38.960 or whatever that is, you know what I'm saying, and 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:45.280 not have outside I thought about why they don't want 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:48.800 the music mm hmm. And I and I felt like 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:55.440 for for a time, it just felt like if if 1:07:56.000 --> 1:07:59.680 I could have made fucking thriller and people would have 1:07:59.720 --> 1:08:04.200 would acting my deposit and and and for me, I'm like, 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:10.920 I don't. I love music, It's my passion. It's very 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:13.320 therapeutic for me. I get out a lot of ship 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:15.120 out of it, a lot of rage, a lot of anger, 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:17.760 a lot of you know, a lot of feelings. I 1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:20.720 make it to put it in my music. So I 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:23.760 still make music. I'll do it for myself if I 1:08:23.840 --> 1:08:26.200 have to. Like I said, it's like therapy for me. 1:08:27.000 --> 1:08:32.479 So at my studio, I make my music. But I 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:36.479 just I just felt like everything is about timing, and 1:08:37.640 --> 1:08:39.680 the right timing wasn't right for me to put out 1:08:39.840 --> 1:08:44.759 music right now after versus, I feel like the people 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:50.599 are receiving me, And what's those calls like? Now, what's 1:08:50.640 --> 1:08:54.320 those business calls like? Now? After the versus Versus has 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:56.760 a real effect. Man, That's what I'm gonna say. I 1:08:56.800 --> 1:08:59.720 want to say versus as a very real effect and 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:04.120 for somebody like me and what I was going through personally, 1:09:05.080 --> 1:09:09.640 just with my with the fans. You know, you know, 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:12.680 Drake says in one of his new record you know, 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:15.960 you know people turning back on me for no good reason. 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:18.479 I feel like ship. Every time I listen to that record, 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:21.280 I feel like and I felt like, that's what I 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:28.320 was going through. And that's why I really love doing 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:32.600 that versus because I wasn't versed in Fatcho. I was 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:38.080 versing the world. I it was John rul versus the world. 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:43.240 I wanted everybody to remember understand who I am as 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:45.720 an artist. I do this ship because I love it. 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:49.960 And you can tell when I'm on that stage, you 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:51.920 could tell I love it. I'm having a good time. 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:54.080 I'm rocking the George's music. It's no smoke for me. 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:58.439 I love it. I love this ship. But I'm also of, 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:02.200 you know, one of the those guys. I'm MCMC like 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:05.200 I rap rap, and I also know how to write 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:09.840 songs and you know, produces this. You know, I'm an 1:10:09.920 --> 1:10:12.560 artist and I and and I shouldn't be allowed to 1:10:12.600 --> 1:10:14.120 be that. I should be allowed to be all of 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:17.479 those things without being critiqued for this. And out of 1:10:17.520 --> 1:10:21.120 the third you know, you us just hip hop. We 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.519 do this to our own Like we look at the 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:28.000 artists that, you know, once they cross over out of 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:31.680 you know, the hip hop charts and going to the 1:10:31.760 --> 1:10:35.080 rhythmic and and the pop charts, they crossed over, they're 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:39.719 not hip hop anymore. We should embrace that these artists 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:43.600 have figured out a way to crack the code and 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:47.960 now they're it's bringing hip hop to a fucking plucthora 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:51.760 people that we probably would have never reached. These artists 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:55.160 should be celebrated, but instead we throw them, kick him 1:10:55.200 --> 1:10:58.840 to the side. They cross over, they're selling out. It's 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:04.040 always been like that, going way back to you know, 1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:09.360 back in Motown days, it's been that. It's always, you know, 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:15.400 been Once the music is out of the hood and 1:11:15.520 --> 1:11:19.519 then too the hearts of many, you ain't hood enough 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:25.160 no more. That's that's just ridiculous. That's just oxy moon. 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:30.120 I love my hood just as much as anybody. But 1:11:30.320 --> 1:11:33.280 I do love to make records for the world. I 1:11:34.720 --> 1:11:37.600 love that. I love doing that. I love doing that 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:39.920 for me to make a record for the homies or 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:42.720 whatever those records are. You know, we can do those. 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:48.280 Those are easy records to make a record that the 1:11:48.360 --> 1:11:54.320 whole world can gravitate towards and and and and see 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:57.840 the same vision that you saw when you created it. 1:11:59.200 --> 1:12:02.479 That's that's what we're do it for. That, That's that's 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:04.040 what I thought I was doing it for. That's what 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:06.840 you know, that's what I thought. You know, making music 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:10.160 and being an entertainer was about touching the world. Music 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:12.240 is the only at form you can't touch it touch 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:16.320 as you and so you wanted to touch as many 1:12:16.360 --> 1:12:21.080 people as possible, you know. So that's how I see music. 1:12:21.520 --> 1:12:24.519 I see it through a very wide lens, and and 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:29.559 sometimes I get critique for that, but I wouldn't want 1:12:29.560 --> 1:12:32.840 it any other way. Man. Yeah, have you ever thought 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:35.360 about being a guy, damn professor out of college or something? 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:40.040 Because I feel it. You know what I'm saying. You 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:42.439 really do love it. I do hear the passion in 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:45.280 your voice. You can fucking do this ship man, Like 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:51.200 for me, really do love music. I studied music music theory. Yeah, 1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:55.880 you know the cadences, you know, the oasis is, you know, 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:03.040 the vibrations and you know your voice patented that you 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:07.400 can can have people feel a certain way. All of 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:11.320 these things matter, you know, like you know, making slower 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:14.040 records in the wintertime and faster records in the summertime, 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:18.559 because that's what people just naturally want to feel. They 1:13:18.600 --> 1:13:22.880 don't even know they wanted that way. These are these 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:25.320 are these are things that you know, see, man, you 1:13:25.439 --> 1:13:28.800 teaching me stuff. Man, I ain't never thought I thought 1:13:28.800 --> 1:13:31.400 about the summer days. They ain't ever think like slow 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:34.120 it down in the winter and speed it up into something. 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:37.840 This is what people were. Yeah, you know, they don't 1:13:37.880 --> 1:13:44.439 know they wanted. It's subconscious. You're a rap bilogist. Yeah, 1:13:45.520 --> 1:13:49.880 it's beautiful, man, this this has been a beautiful, amazing conversation. 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:54.960 I I absolutely appreciate you. Man. I remember first when 1:13:55.000 --> 1:14:00.760 I first heard you, I was like, am I want 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:03.720 to do something like that? Had it in pocket? Man? 1:14:03.800 --> 1:14:05.800 You I mean you killed it, man, like you really 1:14:06.320 --> 1:14:09.680 you really killed it. And and that versus bringing it 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:17.760 back shout out to Swiss until that versus reminded everybody 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:24.479 of how relevant and how necessary JI rule is. Not 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:30.400 was appreciate that man, you know, for everything that you've 1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:33.880 done for hip hop for carving, your laying out and 1:14:34.000 --> 1:14:37.439 inspiring so many others. Man. Hey, and also you know, 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:43.240 being responsible for some babies. You know. Hey, We thank you, man, 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:45.800 We thank you, we salute you, we appreciate you, we 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:48.720 love you. Thanks for having me, Ladies and gentlemen. J 1:14:49.000 --> 1:14:55.080 RU much love, baby, and won't Talk. This episode was 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:57.519 produced by A King and brought to you by The 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:02.080 Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio Old