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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number sixty

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Speaker 1: three Tay the show. We're exploring the mysterious world of

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Speaker 1: predicting dear movement and joining us is Mark Dury of

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Speaker 1: Dury Outdoors. Enjoy it. Now, before we kick things off,

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Speaker 1: I have to give you a brief warning. After we

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Speaker 1: record this interview with Mark, My co host Dan said,

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Speaker 1: we have to give the listeners fair warning because their

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Speaker 1: minds are about to be blown after listening to this.

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Speaker 1: There really is just so much information you're about to hear.

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Speaker 1: You really need a paper and pen to take notes.

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Speaker 1: So take a second and go grab some stuff. Get ready,

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Speaker 1: and here we go. All right, Welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear,

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Speaker 1: and today we've got an interview that I just can't

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Speaker 1: wait to get to because our guest, Mark Jury is

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Speaker 1: a man with some serious white tail insight. And if

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Speaker 1: you're not familiar, and I'd be shocked if you're not.

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Speaker 1: Mark Jury is the co host of a number of

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Speaker 1: different hunting TV shows and DVDs produced by Dury Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: and really of all the shows and DVDs out there

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Speaker 1: in the hunting industry, that Duries are some of my

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Speaker 1: very favorites. And a big part of this is because

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the tidbits of insight that Mark and

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Speaker 1: his brother Terry offer before heading out on each of

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Speaker 1: their hunts regarding, you know, why they think a certain

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Speaker 1: It's always really interesting, and I think it's this prediction

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Speaker 1: about today. So it's gonna be super interesting. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about it. But before we get to all that, my

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Speaker 1: co host Dan and I need to hash a few

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Speaker 1: things out. So Dan, I understand that you want to

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Speaker 1: take me up on a bet. Oh, yes I do.

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm game for it, but first you need

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Speaker 1: to tell everybody what the bet is. Yeah. So, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know how this camera came to be, but

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see my pictures from Ohio and put

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Speaker 1: got to think, you know, there's a pretty good chance

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Speaker 1: a higher scoring buck on trail camera this summer, then

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Speaker 1: you will. I'm betting you that I will. Okay, and

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Speaker 1: I accept that bet. Now are we talking this summer

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Speaker 1: meaning August thirty one is when the summer officially ends,

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Speaker 1: or if the picture is still in velvet? Or how

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Speaker 1: are we what's the cut off date? That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's say velvet velvet. Okay, the largest velvet

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Speaker 1: somehow we'll miraculously come to be. But it's it's definitely

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Speaker 1: So those are the boys I'm waiting for. Nice. Nice,

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Speaker 1: not heard that he's a mad scientist. I've heard people

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Speaker 1: if the average high for that time of the year

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00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: is fifty and you have days that are in the twenties,

432
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: you know if it's a departure by thirty degrees that

433
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: is not normal to them, and that that will actually

434
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: lock them up sometimes even with high pressure. But look

435
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: out that first south wind, the first David. It warms

436
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: up and often is accompanying the highest of pressure because

437
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: at the back end of that high and it will

438
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: kick from the north back down of the south. If

439
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: you have two or three northerly days in that first

440
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: south day, that high pressure day, look out. It is

441
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: one of the best triggers for day activity that there

442
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: is in watch the world. Yes, I just love all

443
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: these little I don't think many people take notice of

444
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: these things. And I keep on hearing you and Terry

445
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 1: mentioned it, and I'm glad to hear a little more

446
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: detail because I always been kind of fascinated by the wanda.

447
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: I'd better understand it. Are there any other wind direction

448
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: triggers other than that first south absolutely, you know. I

449
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: think what I always look for is change in the

450
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: wind direction. And one of the most drastic is when

451
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of north and it switches to south

452
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: because that often times the company is the highest pressure

453
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,239
Speaker 1: as well. At any time there's a change, I like it.

454
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: I like the first east, I like the first west.

455
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: I like the first north. I like the first south.

456
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: And if if you look at your wind predictor, and

457
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: you look at it over a long duration, so you're

458
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: going on a four or five day hunt, and you

459
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: got all south, chances are the movement's going to be

460
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: fair to pour. However, if you've got to change each

461
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: and every day that a cup that is also accompanied

462
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: by high pressure, they're probably gonna see some pretty good

463
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: dear movement, especially if it's sunny, if that makes sense.

464
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: So I like change in wind direction. Always love change

465
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: in direction. The worst case scenario is dale air consistent

466
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: air patterns that don't change. Pressure hits thirty point zero

467
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: and stays there even worse twenty nine point nine and

468
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: stays there for four days. For the south wind, I mean,

469
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: the movement will just diminish day by day by day.

470
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: It'll get later. Add clouds to that it makes it worse.

471
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: Um And and keep in mind, I'm trying to predict

472
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: dear movement in general, but more importantly the cool buck movement.

473
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: So I'm dealing with trends and tendencies that give me

474
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: just a little bit of an edge to actually go

475
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: out and see it. Deer that's four and a half

476
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: were older. You can go out just about any day

477
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: and see those and fawn. But I'm talking about triggers

478
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: that make the toure bucks move and move here and daylight.

479
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: If you watch your trail photos, then you can go

480
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: through a camera and go through a thousand photos and

481
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: every one day, man, there was big bucks on their

482
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: feet everywhere. Start correlating that back to the weather on

483
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: that particular day in your area, and you'll start to

484
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: see trends that developed through time. And it's taken us

485
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: years to kind of study this stuff, but there are

486
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: definitely triggers that have more mature bucks on their feet. Again,

487
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: it's it's trends and its tendencies. It's not a fool

488
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: proof method, but it sure does help slant the odds

489
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: in your favor of scoring or seeing deer on their feet. Yeah,

490
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: And I think that that's kind of the fun of

491
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: it too, is just trying to put those chess pieces

492
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: in the right places and figure out hall these little, different,

493
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: little triggers might add up to getting that four and

494
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: half year old or five and a half yearl to

495
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: finally move a little bit before dark um. And one

496
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: of those factors that I know you can and I

497
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: certainly do too. And we kind of danced around and

498
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: talked about in relation to a lot of these things,

499
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: but it's just temperature. Can you talk to us a

500
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: little bit about, you know, all the different actors related

501
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: to temperature that you take into account when thinking through

502
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: these different triggers. Well, I mean there their system and

503
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: their coats are made for cooler weather once you get

504
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: into the fall of the year, and once that winter

505
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: coat comes on, by and large, they're ready for winter.

506
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: And one thing that is going to absolutely positively subdue

507
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: deer movement are warm temperatures. You can just thank god

508
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: it man. I absolutely dread seeing a warming trend with

509
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: with warm temperatures that stick around for a week. I mean,

510
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: you can literally steal the right away with a warm

511
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: mid November or a warm early November. You have to

512
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: look at the average temperature for the range, and if

513
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: the average highs are normally fifty and you're looking at

514
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: sixty five or seventy, you could just about that that

515
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: deer moment is going to come down to screeching hall

516
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: if it's hotter than that yet, don't even waste your time.

517
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the lead. Anything can happen and you

518
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: can go out and succeed that man. Warm tempus are

519
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: just a kiss of death for dear movement. They just

520
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: absolutely are. And you've got to have cold temperatures. And

521
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: what I like to look at is what's the average

522
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: temperature for the range, and I like to see the

523
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: temperature the daytime hens at that or below. If they're

524
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen below average, you're generally going to see

525
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: fairly good movement. I love it when it's just below average.

526
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: If it gets too far below average, it can actually

527
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: subdue them just a little bit, depending on the time

528
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: of the year or what phase you're in. But when

529
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: he gets too cold and brutally cold, that can actually

530
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: subdue them just a little bit, particularly in the earlier

531
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: part of the season. Did you did you find that

532
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: to be true this past season? In the Midwest and

533
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: we had a really cold November. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah,

534
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: we cold November and it moved like crazy, and maybe

535
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: it was coupled with high pressure. Uh. The other thing

536
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: that they're awesome at doing is adjusting acclimating. You know,

537
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: like if if there's a big cold threat coming in

538
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: and it's say it's been sixty for the past ten

539
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: days and it's gonna drop off with highs in the thirties,

540
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: that first cold day, they may not move as well,

541
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: but by day two, three, or four, they've acclimated and

542
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: they'll move like crazy if if it's high pressure. So

543
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: is that your you know, I'm curious about your typical

544
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: predictions related when the front hits. Are you usually seeing

545
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: that you see the best movement the day after, day after,

546
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: the day after, and in a couple of days after that.

547
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: I've always heard and I've seen to some degree, it

548
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: seems like there seems to be some increased movement just

549
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: before the front hits too. But what do you see

550
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: being the most common reaction? Generally, there's so many variables.

551
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: It's hard to predict how much wind speeds with that front,

552
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: how big was to drop the temperature, what was the

553
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: change in pressure, all those things come into it. Uh,

554
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: every front is not created equal. Some of them don't

555
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: create any dear movement whatsoever. Those weak fronts, Uh, they

556
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: generally don't don't really do a lot. But those big fronts,

557
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: you can bet they're gonna do a lot. And generally

558
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: day one, two or three that it's it's gonna they're

559
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna move the most. And that depends on wind speed

560
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: and pressure and cloud cover all through those variables will

561
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: dictate which day is the best. Austin, I find minutes

562
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: day two when the wind drops just a little bit.

563
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: From that, you know, if the northerly comes in, it's

564
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: for the first day. The second day, when it's like

565
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: twelve or fifteen, the cloud front is through, and you

566
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: know you're just gonna move better that day on day

567
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: two than then on day one because the pressure is

568
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: offten a little bit higher on day two as well.

569
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: But it can depend when the front hits. If it

570
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: hits during the middle of the night, that's drastically different

571
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: than if it hits at noon. All that stuff comes

572
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: into place, so you just have to watch it and

573
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: see how it affects your your dear heard, I like

574
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: a front that happens sometime in the middle of the day,

575
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: so that the afternoon movement is quite good. We are

576
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: best in and around our food plots, and I like

577
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: fronts that makes them move to the feed um. One

578
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: thing is for sure, morning movement is always better the

579
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: first morning of the front, regardless of wendsky, the first

580
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: day that it comes through that first door, they will

581
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: move better that morning than any other morning. Interesting, that

582
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: makes sense. Now, when you said you'd like a front

583
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: that hits in the middle of the day, you're I think,

584
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: if I understood correctly, your reasoning is that if it

585
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: hits during the middle of the day, they're going to

586
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: trigger right away that evening. And then if there's a

587
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: front that hits rather instead overnight, it's more likely going

588
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: to trigger in the morning. And you're just saying that

589
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you would rather have that first hit during your evening hunt.

590
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: Is that right? I will, Yeah, that's my preference. I mean,

591
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: I'll take it whenn and get it. I love front um,

592
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: but I'll take it when I can get it. Okay. Now,

593
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: I want to go off on a brief tangent here

594
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: um because Dan and I over the past weeks and

595
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: really the last year or two we've been doing this.

596
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: We have an ongoing debate about morning hunts, and we

597
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: asked this to our guests last week and now you

598
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: just briefly mentioned this and it made me think about it.

599
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: So I want to get your opinion real fast. Um,

600
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: hunting mornings in October in general, is that something you

601
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: would be for or against? I will hunt every first

602
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: morning of the front and none of the others until

603
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the latter part of October. Then I will hunt every

604
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: morning until about Thanksgiving? Okay? And can you so, can

605
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: you explain to us why you don't hunt all those

606
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: other mornings in October. A lack of movement and spoken

607
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: deer getting into their bedroom. They're not moving very far

608
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: for the most part. It's an afternoon game. I mean

609
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: their afternoon is it's like our morning. You know that

610
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: they've been bed at all day. That's when they get

611
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: up and by early morning they're going back to bed.

612
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: The first morning the front is awesome. Regardless of what

613
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: the date is in October, it is amazing that first

614
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: north northerly morning. I don't care if it's October two

615
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: or fifty thre in the middle of the low. That

616
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: morning will be phenomenal guaranteed. Yeah, that's good. That's good

617
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: to know. I think it continues to evolve me and

618
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: Dan's thoughts and opinions on this to hearing these different perspectives,

619
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: and that makes a lot of sense. Waiting for the fronts.

620
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I tend to do that a lot when it comes

621
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: to even the evening hunts, and it makes sense that

622
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: those morning hunts could really still be great even early

623
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: on with that, right, and that FIRS morning is awesome,

624
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: It's just awesome, and they're they're in a good mood,

625
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: they're moving around, and the only know what happens is

626
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: to stay on the feed later, right, So they're late

627
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: coming back to bed. And now this is provided you're

628
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: in the right spot. You know, you can go google

629
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: any hunt by hunting the wrong place at the wrong time.

630
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: It's all about trying to get the right place at

631
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: the right time. But generally they're on the food later

632
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: and then they're going to be later coming back to bed,

633
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: so therefore you're gonna see daylight activity, whereas most mornings

634
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: without that front, they're at bed are already betted by

635
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: the time and stay break. That's my experience. And in

636
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: October yeah, so on on that particular instance, are you

637
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting near the betting area where they're coming back,

638
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: or are you're gonna be hunting some kind of transition

639
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: or pinch point to catch them coming back to their bed.

640
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: Depends on the mash corop that year. If there's a

641
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: mash crop, I'm gonna be somewhere on an on an

642
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: oak plat, or somewhere where there's acorns because they're phenomenal

643
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: throughout October on the coal fronts. If there's not much

644
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: of a mash crop, I'm probably going to be not

645
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: far off of a food plot in a known betting

646
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: area because they're just not moving very far off where

647
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: their their primary food sources. What about specifically a morning hunt,

648
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about. Okay, I got you.

649
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly what in the morning. That's where I

650
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: would go in October for those types of hunts. How

651
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: early are you gonna be getting into your stands in

652
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: the morning? Did I lose you? Hello? Can you hear Mark? Oh?

653
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: There you are? Okay, yep. It was just curious for

654
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: those morning hunts in October, how early are you trying

655
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: to get into your stand in the morning, fairly early.

656
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: It's a thirty minutes before the first thought of like

657
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I that's they're just not far and not moving very far.

658
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: So you better use the cover of darkness. And if you're,

659
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: if you're, you get away with so much more during

660
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: the cover of darkness than you do even at the

661
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: first hint of light. It's so much easier to blow

662
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: deer out at the first hint of light. Then when

663
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: it's black dark. Did you ever notice that, Like, if

664
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: you go in your stand it's black dark, one might

665
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: bounce thirty or forty yards, but yet when it gets light,

666
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: you still see that deer, whereas if you're climbing up

667
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: and there's a little light, you're gonna blow and plumb

668
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: out of the country. I love black dark during October. Yeah,

669
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: definitely much safer approach that way. That's for sure, much safer,

670
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: and it's more important than than during the rut. Now

671
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I got a question for you. You just brought it up,

672
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: um in one of your last comments about the October law.

673
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: All right, so what we've talked about so far, you know,

674
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: the barometric pressure, the consistent winds, the first change in

675
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: the wind direction, the cooler temperatures. Am I to assume

676
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: that your definition of the October law is the opposite

677
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: of all those Well, October law, it's also what I

678
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: call the October swell. There's a defined period or a

679
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: defined phase in the middle part of October where they

680
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: come out of their seating pattern that they're into heavily

681
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: from you know, from the time they dropped the velvet

682
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 1: until about October the chance through the fourteenth That varies

683
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: year to year when they go into the law, but

684
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: from then till about October there is a definitely subdued

685
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: movement period there in October, unless it's a major cold front.

686
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: You have to have cold to have a decent day,

687
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion. So in those situations where you do

688
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: get you know, I'm gonna continue to drill on these examples.

689
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: Let's say now we're in that dreaded quote unquote October law.

690
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: You do get that front. Is that just a situation

691
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: where you're going to move into one of your would

692
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: you move into one of your better stands at that point,

693
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: or even though you have a front, you're still gonna

694
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: wait till a better time period maybe later in the year. No,

695
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: I'll go into it and you have to recognize what's

696
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: happening during the swell. I said, they go into it

697
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: looking one way and they come out looking another. I

698
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: mean that is the build up, that's the testosterone going

699
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: from ground zero up to where it peaks to where

700
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: all the daylight activity happens there during seeking phase of

701
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: the pre route there in late October. That that period

702
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: when you do get a cold front, that's when you

703
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: look back historically at your pictures and you go, where

704
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: was I getting daylight activity or where was it getting

705
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: a certain Bucks picture a lot during this date range.

706
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: Chances are it's in and around the scrape. We always

707
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: transition all of our cameras off of travel or food

708
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: during the greater pasture sphase. When we go into the

709
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: October law, that's the time we transition every camera we

710
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: have the scrapes because scrapes are going to absolutely light

711
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: up during that phase. And you you can go with

712
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: the middle part of October. In fact, it is the

713
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: best time to hunt scrapes is during the law, but

714
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: you need a cold front to actually get one on

715
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: speed movie. And so now that you brought trail cameras,

716
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit more detail in

717
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: regards to how you are specifically using trail cameras to

718
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: add another piece to this puzzle as you're trying to

719
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: predict when and where you need to be. I would

720
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: love to hear your you know, trull camera one on

721
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: one in regards to how you use them. Well, it's

722
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: to me, it's the biggest evolution and the biggest reason

723
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: that Terry and I are able to have the theories

724
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: we have. Uh, it's based on the data we learned,

725
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: not from our observations in the field. I mean, that's

726
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: a big part of it, but it's the data that

727
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: we take when we're interpreting all the movement patterns within

728
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: the trail photos. As we watch a card, and he

729
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: and I are the same way. I won't look at

730
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: a card unless it is picture by picture. I will

731
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: not put them all up on the screen and just

732
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: pick out the bucks. I sit there and look at

733
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: the days come and go. I have a program from

734
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: our comics called Buck You and I sit there and

735
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: I watched the whole card, and I watch every day

736
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: and boom when I see those days where they move,

737
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: I look at what happened to the barre metric pressure.

738
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: I look at the sunlight. I look at the daytime

739
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: high as the windspeed from that day. So I'm correlating

740
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: the weather not only the information to tell them that

741
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: the picture that a lot of these cameras will give you,

742
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: but I'm also watching my computer at the same time

743
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: to see what event happened that day. By doing that

744
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: each and every year, you can learn when you're going

745
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: to move the following year. And consequently, when I'm scouting

746
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: a particular area with a camera, I'm more often scouting

747
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: for next year than i am for this year, because

748
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: more often than not, when you sit down and look

749
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: at a card, you're the information you garnered from that

750
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: card is too late. You can just about write that

751
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: down like what you saw already happened. That doesn't mean

752
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: it's about to happen because they're about to switch patterns

753
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: and go do something else. Is much better to look

754
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: at data data and realize that you're looking at something

755
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: that's going to help you in the future as opposed

756
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: to help you currently. It's a great point. So are

757
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: you so? I think you mentioned this, but are you

758
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: You know when you're shifting into a new phase, like

759
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned our front hits, you're going back there and

760
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: sorting through old photos to try to understand what the

761
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: deer will generally do in that type of situation. Absolutely,

762
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a particular buck what he did on

763
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: that day. I mean, you can absolutely murder him by

764
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: watching that. It's amazing how habitual they are, not only

765
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: in their patterns, their bedrooms, the scraps they hit, the

766
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: direction of travel, everything about that deer. You can learn

767
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: a deer. It's one of the reasons you get better

768
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: and better at hunting a deer provided him with mats alive.

769
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: If you get history on him for two or three years,

770
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: you can kill that deer by the time he's five

771
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: or six. Yeah. I love the sounds of that because

772
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of bucks like that that I

773
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: know pretty well. And uh, finally getting to the point

774
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: where I have that history with him to uh to

775
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: close the deal hopefully so that those previous year's pictures.

776
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: I killed dude this past year, but in a pincher creek,

777
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: and I had a great photo library, and from three

778
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: and a half through five and a half, I studied

779
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: every single picture I had of that deer over and

780
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: over and over and over, looking for one little one

781
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: little uh, what are you gonna say, crevice or one

782
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: little hitch is getting up one way that I might

783
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: be able to kill him. And I finally found a

784
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: camera where I was getting so many daylight, said him

785
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: each and every year in and around Halloween. Sure enough,

786
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: that needed a north wind. I got a north wind

787
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: on the thirties the thirty first went in there and

788
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: spent the entire day in the tree, with the exception

789
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: of about an hour and a half, and watched that

790
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: deer the entire day. He literally didn't leave that bedroom.

791
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: And I finally arrowed in that afternoon at like two

792
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: or two thirty or something. I mean it was. It

793
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: was worked to perfection. Is there anything more rewarding as

794
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: a deer hunter than to find something like that, go

795
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: in on that hunch and have it actually work out? Nothing?

796
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: Because more often than not you don't right, you know,

797
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: And it's uh more often than night you're you're batting

798
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: about fifty you know. And in uh major leagues what

799
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: it was at Ted Williams said, you know, two thirds

800
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: of the time you fail well in deer hunting, My goodness,

801
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: of the time you fail when you're hunt mature deer.

802
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: It might be higher than that. I mean, it's it's

803
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: impossible to see him mature buck honest feed and get

804
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: an arrow through. And it's not impossible, but it's improbable.

805
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to get him a true buck and

806
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: bow range, particularly one that you set out to kill.

807
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: They are almost impossible. Yeah, and that's what keeps us

808
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: uh dreaming bottom every night. And that's for sure. So

809
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: are you, yes, man, are you keeping a log like

810
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: um of wind directions and and like or or a

811
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: map or or some kind of personal data gathering system

812
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: that you've made up over the years to allow you

813
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: to go back and say, Okay, last year, I am

814
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: on this stand, I had this wind, and my trail

815
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: camera showed this and and anything like that. Uh know.

816
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: What I always do is cross reference my pictures and

817
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: the trends that I see within the pictures on certain

818
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: days to the weather history. I use WonderGround dot com

819
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: and it's uh w u n d e r g

820
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: R o U n D dot com. And I can

821
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: take a look at a certain day on WonderGround dot

822
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: com and it will give me everything you want to

823
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: know about that day. So I don't write it down

824
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: because it's all on the computer, and the rest the

825
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: information that I need is all on the cameras that

826
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: give me, you know, I'll give me the date, the time,

827
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: the moon phase, the temperature. All that data is right

828
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: there with a picture with the commings. Nice. So you

829
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,479
Speaker 1: mentioned that you're using trail cameras primarily to look back

830
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: in previous years to then try to predict what may

831
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: happen now. But is there any situation where you will

832
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: use recent trail camera information to inform a hunt this season?

833
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: And what would that specific situation? The longer phases, Yes,

834
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: the longer phases where they get into a habitual pattern

835
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: and they stay there. Like the first phase there we

836
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: call it a new beginning September five through September their dynamite. Then,

837
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: because the bucks are doing the same thing every night,

838
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: you can use summer observation or summer pictures to go

839
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: and kill a deer. The same holds true for the

840
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: next phase, greener Pastures, which is like September all the

841
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: way until the start of the low, which is you know,

842
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: eleven twelve October somewhere in that varies by year. Those

843
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: two phases. If you can find a bug, you killing

844
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: based on using your pictures, provided that you don't goof

845
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: up and run him out of there. It is. It's

846
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: a nightmare when you got a buck on our early

847
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: season food pattern and you bump him. I move on

848
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: to the next book. I just I just have had

849
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: bad luck. If I'm on a mature dere and and

850
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: I goof him up, he's something's going to change. So

851
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: I switched to option number two. You got to make

852
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: sure your ingress and egress is perfect. It's one of

853
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: the reasons we don't hunt mornings early part of the season.

854
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: We never hunt them unless it's a major culfa. And

855
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: then even then, if I'm on a buck, I'm probably

856
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna go hunt somewhere else and take a flyer on

857
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: some other buck and wait till that afternoon to go

858
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: in and hunting. If I know he's coming to a

859
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: food block, I just don't want to run him out

860
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: because my odds are so much higher in the evening.

861
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: So what about then checking trail cameras at that time

862
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: of year. How are you able to do that or

863
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: do you do that all during that time of the

864
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: year in some way to minimize the chance of booking him.

865
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: I check him as if I'm going in to hunt it,

866
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: you know, like I'll do it midday on the right

867
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: wind um, dressed in full sent for of gear, and

868
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: I'll sneak in slow like I'm stocking a meal deer

869
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: in his bed, grab the card, switch it out and

870
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: get out. And you just can't help them. They're not far.

871
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing early part of the And that's the

872
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: other thing. When you set your camera up, you gotta

873
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: think ahead and go, Okay, can I get to this

874
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: camera and check it without bumping a single deer. Those

875
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: spots are hard to find, but when you find them,

876
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: their magic. Yeah. So we heard another guest we had

877
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: from Southern Iowa UM a while back, had mentioned a

878
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: totally different theory to checking his cameras, and it was

879
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: kind of surprising to me and Dan, but there's there's

880
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: something to be said, and I'm curious your opinion on it.

881
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: His theory was that if you go in there enough

882
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: consistently every week you go check that camera in the

883
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: middle of the summer in September and October and November,

884
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: and if you do it enough, they develop some type

885
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: of habituation to it, and don't associate that with danger

886
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: because They're used to the same thing happening over and over.

887
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: Can you see that working. I don't do it enough

888
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: to prove or disprove that theory. Um, I need you know.

889
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: I just kind of depend on what I do, which

890
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: is checked and very irregularly, and try to do it

891
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: on the right wind in the middle part of the day.

892
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: And I have pretty good luck doing that. My gut

893
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: tells me that. My gut tells me I would not

894
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, just based on what I know

895
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: about deer and bumping him and so and so forth. There,

896
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm too scared to try that, you know

897
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: that Just I don't know that. It seems like it

898
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: goes back to my comment while ago, Man, if you

899
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: bump them a true buck, you're on it's it's not good.

900
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: In the early part of the season, I can tell

901
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: you that it is not good, regardless of the reason

902
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 1: why you bumped him. Yeah, there's a theory out there,

903
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: um that has been popularized to some to recall the

904
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: bumping dump where you if you purposely or maybe even accidentally,

905
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: bump one of the deer you're after, and you know

906
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: you bumped him, and you sell her he was bedded.

907
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: The idea is to go right in there. We saw

908
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: bedded and hunted, and sometimes you might catch them coming

909
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: back to bed. Have you ever thought about that, try

910
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: that or heard about that and seeing that to be

911
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: something that's worth trying if in the worst case scenario

912
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: you do spook your tiger buck, Yeah, it's generally by mistake, right,

913
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm never trying to do the technique. But

914
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: if I've done that, I have indeed had decent luck

915
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: going back in there and seeing that, Dear, if not

916
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: that year, perhaps the following year. That's one of those

917
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: things that you always like store that stuff away on

918
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: your file cabinet in your head. Man, I bumped this

919
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: gear on a certain gay range, and do it better

920
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 1: down this crevice or up on that point. Those things

921
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: can help you in the future. All right, now, before

922
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: we move on to my next question for Mark, we

923
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: need to pause briefly for quickware from our partners at

924
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: sick of Gear, and today in our conversation with sick

925
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: of product category leader Dennis Suck, we're going to step

926
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: away from actually talking about SIKA instead just learn a

927
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: little bit about the importance of certain aspects of our

928
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: hunting clothing in particular. I asked Dennis about bass layers

929
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: and why they're so important for white tail hunters. Here's Dennis,

930
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: and it's one of those things that I, you know,

931
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: I think really amongst white tail hunters is widely sometimes

932
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: misunderstood and why would I need it? And you know,

933
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: it really comes down to staying constable, staying warm, you know,

934
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: and if you think about staying comfortable, staying warm, you

935
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: know that base layers your first line of defense. It's

936
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: the first it's the first thing that touches your skin.

937
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: And you know, when you're walking into the stand or

938
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: you're doing different things, you know, moisture builds up and

939
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: you need to make sure that you're doing everything you

940
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: can to take that moisture off your skin. And why

941
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: is that? I mean, so you know, moisture does the things.

942
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: It's actually a conductive robber, so it steals your heat

943
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: and pulls it into those wet areas the longer you

944
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: allow it to be there, you know, So having that

945
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: base layer pull that out and move it up into

946
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: your system so that it can be evaporated and out

947
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: and out and away from you, um absolutely will change

948
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: your comfort. And you may not know why you're cold

949
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: sitting a stand. You may be shivering wondering. Um. A

950
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: lot of times it's because of this this this theory,

951
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: and cottons and some other things just don't have the

952
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: ability to dry the way that they need to dry,

953
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: or move moisture the way they need to move it.

954
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: So that said, then what makes a good base layer

955
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: A good base layer or something that has a very

956
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: good wicking capability, So something that's going to pull it

957
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: off your skin. I think if you're a white tailor,

958
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that it needs some level of

959
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: send control because that's absolutely harboring and growing um smelly things,

960
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So I think it's it's a little

961
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: bit of those, and I think dry time. UM. A

962
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: base layer can also be very instillative. Is which gets

963
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: into the difference of a synthetic and it maybe a marino.

964
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: So sometimes you know, you may be okay with a

965
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: slower drying base layer, but the warmth of the weight

966
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: of a marino may be worth it. Or maybe earlier

967
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: in the season where I can't really tolerate, you know,

968
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't want that wet thing on me forever, and

969
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: I want a synthetic it's going to drive much faster.

970
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: So there you have it, and if you're in the

971
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: market for new base layers, you might just want to

972
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: check out what SKA has to offer. And now back

973
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: to the show you definitely, so I want to shift

974
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: back to our kind of going through factor by factor

975
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: because there's one big one. It's kind of the ELpH

976
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: in the room for a lot of people that there's

977
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: a lot of questions, a lot of theories about, and

978
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: that is how the moon impacts dear movement and specifically

979
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: moon phases and then moon rising and setting times. I

980
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: would love to hear your thoughts on how those two

981
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: things impact dear movement and how you use that to

982
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: play your owns. Absolutely, my favorite time of each month,

983
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: regardless of the deer season, if it's September, December, it

984
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, is the full moon the seven days that preceded,

985
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: in the seven days that following. My least favorite time

986
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: and the time that I see the least gear is

987
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: in and around the dark of the moon. And that

988
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: flies in the face of a lot of what I

989
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: read and say. But we have the history and the

990
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: and the you know, the dear to show it. Um

991
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times we've killed the

992
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: deer in and around that full moon. I mean it

993
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: just to me whether Trump's moon. However, moon can access weather. Uh.

994
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: If you've got the right weather and you've got a

995
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: full moon, chances are you're gonna see a lot of

996
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: deer on their feet. I like afternoon hunting as I

997
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: lead into the day of the full moon. If you

998
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: watch the full the day it's full, say it's full

999
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 1: the tenth. If you look at the seventh, eighth, ninth,

1000
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: and tenth, or even back the fifth or six, the

1001
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: moon will be rising in the afternoon, and it's going

1002
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: to rise about forty five minutes later every single day,

1003
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: So your afternoon movement is going to be the earliest

1004
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: on about the fifth or six, About the seventh or eighth,

1005
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: that's gonna be perfect. And by the time that's full

1006
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: on the tenth, it's gonna be just about dwindling down.

1007
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: The moon's gonna rise just at the last thirty minutes

1008
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: of daylight that full moon day. Oftentimes, the best daylight

1009
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: activities will switch over to mornings as the moon is setting.

1010
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: If you look at the three or four or five

1011
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: days that follow the full moon take. In other words,

1012
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: the eleven twelve, those are the those are the days

1013
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: where it is visibly going to be setting in this guy,

1014
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: and you can see it from your stand I love

1015
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: morning hunting in and around that falling moon right after

1016
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: the full moon, and again it falls light or forty

1017
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: five minutes every day. So to make sure I'm following here,

1018
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: it's because of the fact there's the full moon that

1019
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: also coincides within these rising and setting times of the moon.

1020
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: That would be happening during the prime hunting hours, right.

1021
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: Is what I've always heard is that you want that moon.

1022
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, in the evenings, you'd like it rising early

1023
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: while you're actually out there, and then the mornings you'd

1024
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: like to still see it setting during daylight. Is that right? Right?

1025
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: And that occurs the four or five six days prior

1026
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: to the day of full and then the four or

1027
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: five or six days that follow the date of the

1028
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: full moon. If you look at what day at full

1029
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: and back up a week, your afternoons are going to

1030
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: be better. If you look at the week that follows

1031
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: the date of the full moon, your mornings are going

1032
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: to tend to be better. Whether we'll trump all of

1033
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: that however, the moon can accent weather and make it

1034
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: even better. Interesting this stuff, this is something that I've

1035
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: released just are going to pay attention to the last

1036
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: couple of years. And it's like you mentioned, I think

1037
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's an accent factor. It seems to be

1038
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: one of those things that if you're looking for that

1039
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: little extra edge, it might be one of those things

1040
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: that gets the big boy in his feet ten minutes earlier,

1041
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: which you know in this case, it's a trend or

1042
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: a tendency. It's just one little thing that gets you

1043
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: want to speak just a few minutes earlier. Yeah, So,

1044
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: speaking of the moon, I know, Dan, I think you

1045
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: had something that you wanted to ask Mark about in

1046
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: relation to the moon. Did you still want to dive

1047
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: into that. No, actually he just covered it. Oh he

1048
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: did well, perfect. Well. What about how the moon may

1049
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: or may not affect the rut? What are your thoughts

1050
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: on that, because that's one of those big theories out

1051
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: there where people say that, In my opinion, the rut

1052
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: happens at the exact same time each and every fall.

1053
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: That's why we came up with our thirteen phases. What

1054
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: part of it is exposed is based on when the

1055
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: full moon hits within that month, based on daylight activity.

1056
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: In other words, if you watch ten Novembers in a row,

1057
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: you'll be like, well, wait a minute, I saw him

1058
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: at the early part of November this year. I saw

1059
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: him in the middle of this year. They didn't move

1060
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: till late and then boom on back to the early part.

1061
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: And and it's happening at the same time because the

1062
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: bonds hit the ground every year at the same time.

1063
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: But the moon, in my opinion, exposes the daylight portion

1064
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: of it differently each year, depending on how the moon falls.

1065
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: That's why you see the variants in ruts that are

1066
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: intense versus not. If it exposes the chasing in the

1067
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: in the seeking phase, you go, oh, man, it was

1068
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: an awesome rut. However, if the moon exposes the lockdown,

1069
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: you go, oh, this is a terrible rut. That's to me,

1070
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: that's the difference. And it's that simple. I loved last

1071
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: year's moon. I absolutely hate the one that's coming up

1072
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: and fall of fifteen. I think it's going to be

1073
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: a very tough, trickly rut because I don't like where

1074
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: the moon falls. Can you explain? Can you explain that

1075
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: when is that moon that you're referencing falling and why

1076
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: is that? Why is a I believe it's full around

1077
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: the twenty six, which means you're gonna have great afternoon

1078
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: activity the latter part of September. You're gonna have great

1079
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: activity leading into the chasing phase there in late October. However,

1080
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: just after that, when you get into November's moon, if

1081
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 1: it's full, I believe it's the twenty seven, though don't

1082
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: know which. You know, if you look at afternoons leading

1083
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: into that full moon, it's horrible. The dark of the

1084
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: moon happens fourteen days prior to that. Well, that takes

1085
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: you back to the twelfth and that's prime time, and

1086
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: that's when I see the least deer on their feet

1087
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: during day light hours, and I can that's my thoughts. Historically,

1088
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: during the dark of the moon, you see the least

1089
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: amount of deer activity during daylight hours. So it's almost

1090
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: reversed out in my opinion. It's like it's the worst

1091
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: place it could be in the month of November for

1092
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: a great daylight rut. Right, And so you said the

1093
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: dark of the moon is gonna be around the twelfth,

1094
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 1: he said, it will be fourteen days prior to because

1095
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: its twenty eight day cycle, so it'll be about fourteen

1096
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: days prior to the full it'll be dark, and it'll

1097
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: be dark for you know, ten days in there, you

1098
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: know a third of the month. Remember dark mon look

1099
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: predominantly dark. So in that situation, is that going to

1100
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: change how you would hunt that phase of the year

1101
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: or you still just going to grind it out how

1102
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: you normally would just expecting to see a little I'm

1103
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: still going to grind it out because to me, they're

1104
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: still doing the same thing. You're in and year out,

1105
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: So I'm still going to do the same tactic. It's

1106
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: it's why we did thirteen. I'm gonna do the exact

1107
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: same thing that I do every year, but I'm going

1108
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: to know that I really need a weather front to

1109
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: make these dear move and I'm going to make sure

1110
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: I don't miss any of those weather fronts because they're

1111
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: going to be so vital to seeing daylight activity so vital.

1112
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: I just really disliked this year's moon. It's similar to

1113
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: what we had to take a couple or three years ago,

1114
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: and the rut was just atrocious. Add to that, E H. D.

1115
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: And it was like the worst threat ever, the worst

1116
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: road I've ever seen was it followed twelve or followed thirteen. Yeah,

1117
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: I think you're bumming a lot of us out. Mark. Well,

1118
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, you've gotta be smart about it. You've got

1119
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: to really look at your weather and you gotta look

1120
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: and make sure you maximize your time out throwing those

1121
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: weather fronts. You're still gonna have great activity from the

1122
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: fifth through the ninth. I mean, that's good every year, right,

1123
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: but it might only be the first hour in the

1124
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: last hour of the day as opposed to you know,

1125
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: the first three hours in the last three hours. It's

1126
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: it's that type of drastic difference. So would you almost

1127
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: recommend someone who had limited vacation time to maybe pay

1128
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: more attention to the last week in October as opposed

1129
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: to the second week in November. I like that last

1130
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: week in October. Could they're not with those yet? And

1131
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: I think that is a huge difference when you're trying

1132
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: to kill. And again, everything I get back to is

1133
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: talking about killing a mature dear. If I was just

1134
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: going on an outfitted hunt and I wanted to see

1135
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: the most dear and have the best chance of seeing

1136
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: a buck, I would book either from the fifth through

1137
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: the tenth of November or in my opinion, those are

1138
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: the best and highest rates of buck activity during daylight hours,

1139
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: because that just precedes peak of Vestris and it just

1140
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: follows peak of Vestris. Those two periods, in my opinion,

1141
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: you're in and you're out are the best to bank on.

1142
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: And if I had to bank on one where you

1143
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: could hunt all day and see day your activity all day,

1144
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: it'd be from the Fife in November to about the

1145
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: nineteenth of November. Of the nineteenth, if I had to

1146
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: just write it down, those would be the dates. But

1147
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: if you get a warm trend either during either of those,

1148
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: it's going to subdue it and just kill your vacation.

1149
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: M Yeah, the dreaded rut vacation with a warm front

1150
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: Dallas killer. Man. You know, that's why that's why guys

1151
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: go to outfitters and they go along to ever go back.

1152
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: But you know it wasn't the outfitter or wasn't the weather.

1153
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, the week before everybody killed. This week one

1154
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: out of ten killed. I mean it happens all the time.

1155
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: It's weather related, man, weather, Trump's everything. They are a weather. Uh,

1156
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: induced movement animal. I mean it's all about that weather front. Yeah,

1157
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: that's the truth. I guess you know. This has been fascinating.

1158
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: And the one thing that we've kind of talked about

1159
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: interspersed throughout all these different factors is the time of

1160
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: the year. And you mentioned your show thirteen and the

1161
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: fact that you guys broke down the year into thirteen

1162
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: different phases. Could you, you know, briefly walk us through

1163
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: what those phases are. We've touched on a few of them,

1164
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: but could you walk us through what those phases are

1165
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: that you guys believe are you know, distinct and maybe

1166
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: give us a quick like you're one main thing to

1167
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: note about each one of those phases, it's that possible

1168
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: hold on here. I can't do it off the top.

1169
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: I give you my favorite hold on down there. Let

1170
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: me get to this moment. The first dase is September

1171
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: the fifteenth, and let's just coincide with one of the

1172
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: very season September, and that's the phase we call the

1173
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: new beginning. Uh. It's if you're on one, there's a

1174
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: good chance you're gonna kill them. If you get a

1175
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: weather front. It's all about its source that time and

1176
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: year it's all about trail pictures in your summer observation, etcetera, etcetera.

1177
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: I love that phase. I also love the phase that

1178
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: follows it, which is greener pastor September through October. The twelve.

1179
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: To me, greener pastors is one of the best phases

1180
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: to kill him the tur buck because there's a defoliation

1181
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: that goes on during this phase throughout the Midwest. And

1182
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm only talking in terms of the hunting that I've

1183
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: observed here in Missouri, Isowa, Illinois, and Kansas, and those

1184
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: beans that were planted back in May and June eventually

1185
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: turned from green to brown and defoliate. There is a

1186
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: major switch within the herd to go to the next

1187
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: green food source. And if you've got that green food

1188
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: source close to where you've seen the tur buck all summer,

1189
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna go through what I call green and green transfer.

1190
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: There's a good chance he's going to transfer from that

1191
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: green bean field into your green plot. The difference is

1192
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: the bean field might have been forty acres and your

1193
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: green field might be one to three acres, a much

1194
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: smaller target area to try and kill that dear. That phase,

1195
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: to me is one of the best of the whole year.

1196
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: Um October three, we'll talk about the October Law tough

1197
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: phase overall, and you gotta have a cold front and

1198
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: mornings can be quite good. We key in on scrapes

1199
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: with our cameras and with our hunting tactics. We're going

1200
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: to key in on scrapes in a round that October

1201
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: Law with filthy good beer during that period, because they're

1202
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: still on food source and they're not moving very far.

1203
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: But you gotta have a weather front in order to

1204
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: do pre luck. October and November the one to me,

1205
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: this phase is all about killing the oldest, biggest deer

1206
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: in the herd. If you can find him, especially with

1207
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: those historical pictures like we were talking about, you can

1208
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: get on and kill that particular dear. This sphase why

1209
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: because it's one of the few phases where that really

1210
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: old hear is actually on his feet. He's looking for

1211
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: the first available dough to give the first hint of estus.

1212
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: And I don't know that they're really ready to bread

1213
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: yet during this phase, but he's certainly ready to start

1214
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: tending her. They maye ten seven and days before he

1215
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: breathes it, but she can bet one thing that oldest

1216
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: sucking Hurts is going to be the first one to find,

1217
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 1: the one that's selling the best. I love that page

1218
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: for a really mature dear October the page hold on

1219
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: October or no, the November put the page still. The

1220
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: next one would be November the second, about November the fifth,

1221
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: And for one reason, I can't find that that page,

1222
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: so I don't know what we named it. No, no,

1223
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: I lost that page pre law. And then we get

1224
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: I think waiting on the front. I forget the name

1225
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: of it, but it's like November the first or second,

1226
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: or about November five, And to me, that's kind of

1227
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: in between. If you did the weather side, it kicks

1228
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: them up early. If you don't, there's a little bit

1229
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: of a November law. In my opinion, during the stage.

1230
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: I've had some great early November, and I've had some

1231
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: dreadful early November, where you sent this thing is never

1232
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: going to start. You get this excitement of the flurry

1233
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: of prelock and late October, and then you hit the

1234
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: first five days of November and it's like, what happened?

1235
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: Where'd they all go? And then you just go into

1236
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of the law and they're all of

1237
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: a sudden about the sixth, seventh, eighth, or ninth, Buddy

1238
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: Stady bar the door. That's one of my favorite, the

1239
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: end of of opportunity, and it's one that you just

1240
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: can't miss. I like to sit all day every day,

1241
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, the sixth through the ninth of November, you

1242
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 1: just can't miss it. Uh. You go into November level

1243
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: to the fifteen, and that's lockdown all of a sudden,

1244
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: every go and herd or the bulk of the doze

1245
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: or in astris. If you look at the phase that

1246
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: perceived that it's a bell curve and they're starting to

1247
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: go into astros and there's a lot of flurry and

1248
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 1: buck activities, a lot of bucks looking for the first

1249
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: available dough that they're not quite with them yet. You

1250
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: get into the letter through the fifteenth, there's does that

1251
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: are in vestres everywhere. When the does come in heat,

1252
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: they often don't move anymore, and all of the buck

1253
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: star are following them or just standing there staring at them.

1254
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: One hot dog and five or six bucks locked down

1255
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: on it, and there's a lot of them do that

1256
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: three or four days. The phase that follows that, the

1257
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: sixteenth to the Ninekee desperately seeking is the bottom end

1258
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: of that bell curve and boom, they've had them. They

1259
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: went them back and they lost that extras there there with,

1260
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: and that phase is one of the best, especially for

1261
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: midday activity. I love nine bill eleven and I love

1262
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: like one to four o'clock or in that particular phase,

1263
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: then you get into green revisited. The latter part of November,

1264
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: November to December the fifth, bucks the really really maturans

1265
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: or start coming back to the green fields looking for

1266
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: bellos because that's where they're going. And a lot of

1267
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,959
Speaker 1: the bucks are starting back to those green fields because

1268
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,959
Speaker 1: that the period where you're having faust morning and night

1269
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: and they're starting to break those green fields down. The power,

1270
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: the bility goes through the roofs and there's a lot

1271
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: of deer of visiting those green fields. We've took a

1272
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of big bucks during that phase. December six to

1273
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: December the eighth, there's another little bit of a miniature

1274
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: well it's uh, it's tough. During this particular phase. We

1275
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: call it waiting on the front. If you catch the front,

1276
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: it kicks them into their late season seed patterns and

1277
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Speaker 1: we have a really good periodment If you weren't the

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01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: best overall movement in December December night to one, it's

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: called feedback. Awesome, awesome, good bucks out early, mature, you

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Speaker 1: understanding the afternoon and sure very early then December twenty

1281
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: second to January, slowly but surely the day about activity

1282
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: starts to slow down and you again need a front.

1283
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Speaker 1: But that's when you get some of the most drastic

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01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: weather the winter, and if you get back, you can

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: kill a bit buck if you're are And that's very

1286
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: similar to the first phase because it's all about food.

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Speaker 1: They're not betted, very far from it. Awesome, I uh,

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Speaker 1: I think that was super helpful for a lot of people.

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: I think because trying to understand how to hunt or

1290
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: how to focus your hunting efforts through the throughout the

1291
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Speaker 1: course of the whole season can be a little bit intimidating,

1292
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: I think for some guys. So I like the idea

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: of breaking it down that way to kind of simplify

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01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: it and offer, you know, some some key things to

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Speaker 1: think about during each part of the year. Um And

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: made some great points. There's something you mentioned though you

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: triggered a memory of source. I feel like I remember

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01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: hearing um you in the past, having talked about certain

1299
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: factors push them to green food sources, certain factors or

1300
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: times of the year push them to grain, So like

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01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: soybeans or corner something like that. Is that something that

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01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: you have a theory on. Yeah, depending on the phase

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: early in decision, Um, it's all about green, especially after

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01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: the beans defoli It's all about green. But if you

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01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: get a drastic cold front early start of the season,

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01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: to switch the green very quick on you. That's kind

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01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: of a general rule of thumb. The warmer it is

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01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: go to green. The colder it is go to grain. Um.

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: I love like November for green because they come back

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01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: to it so readily. However, if you get snowfall and

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01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: it covers it, that can sometimes make that a challenge.

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: The colder, the weather head to the green. Warm and

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: the weather head to the green. There you go. That's

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01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: an easy one to remember. Yep. We killed way kill

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01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: on January eleventh or twelfth, if sometimes very late for

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01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: the very season last year, and we were on a winner.

1317
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,479
Speaker 1: Bolts are sure to be stilled, and we were lucky

1318
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: and getting snowfall during a lot of part of the

1319
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: season or nothing that accumulated. And I'm telling you, those

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01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: green fields were ridiculous during that particular part of the

1321
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: up in year. Man, they were back on green and

1322
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: in reality they were eating the balls that the green

1323
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: fields had had created. It was a winner bolts that

1324
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: should have been filled by biologic And I mean it

1325
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: was just thirty fifty year and nine. He killed five

1326
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: and a half riled ag that drive it went board

1327
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: just beautiful Missouri eight point. That's awesome. I gotta love

1328
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: those late season hunts over some type of brassica and

1329
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: things like you mentioned there. That is a dynamite place

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01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: to be at that time of year. So yeah, depending

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01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: on what kind of gun pressure they went through, how

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01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: much pressure they went through general, you know, we called

1333
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: December deer sammers. You get cold frusts and you've got food.

1334
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: It's it's the easiest time to go kill a nice

1335
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 1: gear of deer in general, because they're all stocked into

1336
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: the same food source, you know. Yeah, especially when you

1337
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: have the best food or the only food left at

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01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: that point too. Yeah. So Dan, do you have any

1339
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: final question or questions for Mark before we wrap this up,

1340
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: because we're coming up on time. You know, I think

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01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: that today we have been We've gotten more information in

1342
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: such a small amount of time that I think our

1343
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: listeners are going to be happy with with what we what,

1344
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: what we've got to work, what what we're going to

1345
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: give them. I'll just put it to you that way. Yeah,

1346
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: I have I have my own notes in front of me, like, okay,

1347
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: high pressure plus fifteen mile winds plus first change in

1348
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: the wind direction plus cool temperatures equals boone and Crockett

1349
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: buck right, So they're gonna they're gonna turn it off

1350
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: and go man, that's exfusing, right exactly, you know, and

1351
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I try not to be confusing, but it's

1352
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: not a simple equation. It's just not There's so many

1353
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: factors go into each and every hunt, and you just

1354
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: have to pay so much attention to I mean, what

1355
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: phasees you're in, where they better, what food source it is,

1356
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: the windspeed, the wind directions that they aren't that your pressure,

1357
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: the cloud cover. I mean even I just forget some

1358
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: days to look at every single aspect and I'll look

1359
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: at pressure and Winsbey and I'll tell late oh man,

1360
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna see you to night. And then we get

1361
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: out there and we have clouds all I mean, we

1362
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: don't see a deer, and I'll be like, oh, I

1363
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: forgot to look at cloud cover. I mean that's that's

1364
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: a deal breakup for deer movement. In my opinion, I

1365
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: don't like CARDI Days at all. Yeah, I think, um,

1366
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: I think, like like Dan said, an overwhelming but fascinating

1367
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: amount of information. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Um.

1368
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: And that's why I really love hunting mature bucks is

1369
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: because of the fact that there are so many different things.

1370
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: There's so many pieces to this puzzle, and it just

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01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: requires this tremendous attention to detail and proble problem solving essentially.

1372
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: And uh, it's just it gets me. It gets me

1373
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: right right down there, and I can't stop thinking about

1374
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: this stuff. So I'm going to take all this to heart.

1375
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: Like Dan said, I'm gonna be taking a lot of

1376
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: notes when I listen to this again. Um, I got one.

1377
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: You know what it's like, guys, one At one point

1378
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking, I'm sorry to interrupt you. It is

1379
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: very it's very similar to baseball in the evolution that

1380
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: baseball has gone through since they've been a money ball

1381
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: out the Oaklands and the whole sabermetric side of the

1382
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: game where they try to predict tendencies and trends for

1383
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: players for years to come based on previous results. It's

1384
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: very similar to that. In deer hunting. It's just taking

1385
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: every single thing that you can analyze and analyzing it

1386
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: about deer in general, are a specific deer, and then

1387
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: predicting future movement based on the information that you have.

1388
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: It's very similar to that. Yeah, it's a great it's

1389
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: a great point. And similarly it can get people pre

1390
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: worked up and diving into that. And there there might

1391
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: be I mean there is. I've certainly experienced it a

1392
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: slight danger of getting two in the details sometimes in

1393
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: overthinking things maybe, but it's hard to fare out where

1394
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: that fine line is. I imagine it really is, you know.

1395
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: And I think if someone studied us as you know,

1396
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 1: an individual person and what we did on a daily basis,

1397
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: I would bet you there are patterns that we have

1398
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: based on weather. I would almost bet you, Matt, and

1399
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: learn that we're not too different from the deer. I'd

1400
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: be pretty fascinating. Danny want to take a well, I'll

1401
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: tell you what I am gonna do is when my

1402
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: wife uh starts complaining to me about Hey, you've been

1403
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: in from the computer for four hours looking at trail

1404
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: camera pictures and then um, you know, looking at the

1405
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: dates and then looking at the weather. I'm gonna blame

1406
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: Mark Drury for that. And you might get a call

1407
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: from my wife. I'll just give her trail. I'll just

1408
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: give her Tracy is dumber and they can talk. You

1409
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: will feel better about you after talking Tracy. There's something

1410
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: about commiserating in that way. So, because Tracy and I've

1411
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: been married for six and it's really about thirteen, because

1412
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: six months of the year she didn't loses me. I'm

1413
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: just I'm just off the grid sitting there staring at

1414
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: his computer somewhere. I think I think all of our

1415
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: our wives can probably relate to that to a degree.

1416
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: So I've got one final question for Mark. This has

1417
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: been awesome. We've talked a lot about. You know, how

1418
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: are you using this information to predict movement of deer

1419
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: in general and then of a specific deer. And I'm curious,

1420
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: coming into the two thousand fifteen season, is there any

1421
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: one special deer that's on your mind? They're hoping to

1422
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: catch us here the loan tent, yep, yep. If he's there.

1423
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: He's in trouble. What's my opinion, what's his story? Uh,

1424
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: he is seven and a half this year, and I've

1425
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: got as much history on him as any deer that

1426
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: I've ever had. Um, I feel like we can. I

1427
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: feel like we can take that deer this year, provided

1428
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: we get the weather front. I think he's callable. I've

1429
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: only seen twice in my ear. However, I really haven't

1430
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: hunted in and around his core as much as I'm

1431
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: going to this year. But you know, I just have

1432
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: a good feeling about the loan tan him and Temptation.

1433
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: Both of them are are probably in trouble if we

1434
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: get the right weather. That's my gut. If they're there,

1435
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: if there's still a lot. So often, uh, through the years,

1436
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: I'll target a certain deer and by the time kind

1437
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: of figuring out something else killed him at the e

1438
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: h D or a car or a poacher's bullet, or

1439
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: they'll disperse. I've lost so many deer through the years

1440
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: right when I thought I could go kill them. So

1441
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: I probably just jinxed myself on both of those here.

1442
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: But I've got a great history on both and if

1443
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: if they're alive and president accounted for, will be will

1444
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: certainly be in the game on on both of them

1445
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: a multitude of times. That's awesome. Well, I I hope

1446
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: that I'll be seeing on the Jury Outdoor Journal a

1447
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: picture with you in the Loan ten come up here soon.

1448
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: So for anyone that wants more information about your DVDs,

1449
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: your TV shows, all the things that you guys are

1450
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: going and doing, where can they go online to find

1451
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: all that? Mark You can check us out at Drey

1452
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: Outdoors dot com. One of the easiest ways to communicate

1453
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: with us is that Drewy Outdoors on Facebook or Instagram,

1454
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: UM or Twitter. When we're very active within all the

1455
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: social um avenues and you know, we're communicating with about

1456
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: six or seven or thousand people a day, so we'll

1457
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: post a lot of stuff up. We're gonna be following

1458
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: the rut this year through the thirteen phases or the

1459
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: full deer season, I should say. So that's the best

1460
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 1: way to follow us is Facebook, Instagram or Twitter. Probably

1461
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: Alrea go on to our journal, man, there's gonna be

1462
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,440
Speaker 1: our journal is gonna be a whole new vast experiences

1463
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: coming fall each each year that gets killed throughout the

1464
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: fall goes on the Drewy Outdoors Journal at drew outdoors

1465
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: dot com. And then once you get in there, you're

1466
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: gonna have a whole new visual experience. Once you get

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01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: into the journal, it's gonna be cool. We're working on

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01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: it right now. It will release in September. Once the

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01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: animals start hit the journal. Very cool. That's been one

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Speaker 1: of those things that I've always followed, and it's it's

1471
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,839
Speaker 1: been neat to be able to see I can almost

1472
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: predict when things are gonna start really start hopping by

1473
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: me in Michigan, Ohio based on when the deer start

1474
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,879
Speaker 1: following in your journal over in Iowa or Kansas and Missouri,

1475
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: because you guys are usually a day or two ahead

1476
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: of us with weather fronts and things, so I can

1477
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: kind of start to see one is are gonna hit.

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01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: So I've always enjoyed checking it out, and I'd recommend

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: anyone listening to do the same. Um. I will make

1480
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: sure helps everybody the teast of us, but the people

1481
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: that are west of us going what happened, they're a

1482
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: little behind. We'll make sure to link to all that

1483
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Speaker 1: on the blog post for this podcast, and everyone listening

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01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: if you're not already highly recommend checking out Mark's DVD's

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Speaker 1: TV shows, the website. It's all great stuff. You guys

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Speaker 1: are really doing some of the best work in the business. Marks,

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Speaker 1: So thanks for doing what you're doing, and thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us on the podcast. Hey Man, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having man. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Thank God. All right, good luck this season. Okay, good

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Speaker 1: luck y'all. Thank you. Wow. At what do you think

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Speaker 1: about that? Dan? There's a lot to take in there,

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, I'm my mind, my mind and

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: brain is full of information right now, because you know,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this several times before about out maybe

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01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 1: trying to over analyze things. But I think what we're doing,

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Speaker 1: you know, as far as what stand to hunt on,

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Speaker 1: what wind direction, and you know, and all these things

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Speaker 1: that we've just you know, these categories that we've kind

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Speaker 1: of discussed today, and I really think that we're doing

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Speaker 1: it wrong. Our our focus should be on the little

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: things instead of one big picture. I really like I'm

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01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: to the point now where I'm thinking I'm going to

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Speaker 1: change my the date the dates of my vacation to

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Speaker 1: the second and third week in November instead, based on

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Speaker 1: kind of what he said, and how what we've learned this,

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Speaker 1: you know, these past four or five podcasts with the guests,

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Speaker 1: and you know the moon phase and um, the fetal

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: cycle and and all these things that it's just it,

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Speaker 1: it's this is opening my brain up to a new

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01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: way of thinking on how to hunt these animals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's why I love this. I mean, this

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01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: is it's it can be confusing, it can be enlightening,

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Speaker 1: it can be fascinating, it can be frustrating. It's so

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Speaker 1: many different things, but it's it's addicting in the end,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. And uh I I love the

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01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: detail that Mark can go into on these specific different

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01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: types of factors and the trends and the patterns that

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Speaker 1: he's seen. And of course, you know these things might

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01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: be different in different areas, and each one of us

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01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: are on our own unique situations. So you know, as

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Speaker 1: we've talked about before, it's all about taking all these

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Speaker 1: different ideas that Mark just shared with us, and that

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: all our past podcast guests have shared with us, taking

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Speaker 1: all those different little pieces, applying them to our situation

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01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: and our circumstances and where we hunt, how we hunt,

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01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: and figure out how we can incorporate some of these

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Speaker 1: maybe some of these things work with us, some of

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: them don't, and then we find what's the right fit

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: for us personally. And I think that's that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the journey and the evolution that every single one of

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01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: us as a deer hunter has to go through. And um,

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Speaker 1: I think you and me, you know, we're right in

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Speaker 1: the middle of our own evolution. I'm sure many of

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Speaker 1: our listeners are too. And that's an exciting place to be,

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01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: right exactly. And it's almost like this podcast in particular,

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: need needed, needs to come with like a warning at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, because it is gonna make me at work

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: tomorrow when I should be working. Uh, look at look

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Speaker 1: at forecasts in moon phases and pressures, and like tonight,

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Speaker 1: after I get off the phone with you and after

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Speaker 1: the kids are in bed, I'm gonna come back down here.

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01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at my trail camera dates, and I'm

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01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna go back to that WonderGround dot com website that

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: he mentioned to look up old historical weather data. I mean,

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Speaker 1: who does that, Yeah, it's it's you know. I don't

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: want to pat myself on the back at all, but

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Speaker 1: I have been starting to do that, and it's fascinating

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Speaker 1: what you can see. UM. And another thing, Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of different tools out there that

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Speaker 1: make this a little bit easier, UM, Trail camera management tools.

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01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: And now we're starting to come out with some functionality

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01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: like this. So UM, the big three out there are

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Speaker 1: hunt Soft, deer Lab, and Hunt Force. If you google

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: any one of those three, they all have varying different features.

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Speaker 1: And I've tried all three of them to some degree. Um,

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Speaker 1: they've all got kind of cool things. They've all got

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01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: some things I wish you could be improved. But they

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01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: allow you to upload trail camera pictures and then they

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01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: then associate They pull in the weather and the wind

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: direction in the moon phase, and some of them even

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Speaker 1: the barometric pressure, so they tack that onto each one

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01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: of those photos. And then they can even in some

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Speaker 1: of them deer Lab and hunt Soft, at least I

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01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: know for sure you can tag individual bucks. So then

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Speaker 1: you can start saying, Okay, I've got three years worth

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Speaker 1: of photos of job Breaker, and now in this little tool,

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Speaker 1: I can say, okay, filter everything by job Breaker, and

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Speaker 1: then it's gonna show me actually patterns over hundreds of

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Speaker 1: photos and sightings. Wowe of his movement during daylight happened

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Speaker 1: with the southwest wind. And wow, you know, nine out

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Speaker 1: of every ten encounters I had happened with high pressure

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Speaker 1: or something like that. And you can start to see

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Speaker 1: these things with these tools, whether you do it with

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Speaker 1: an online tool or if you do it manually, you know,

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Speaker 1: looking at the historic weather. I think this is something

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Speaker 1: that if you're serious about hunting mature deer, especially specific dear,

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01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: this is something you should be doing. The law of averages. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: try to try to figure out a few things and

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Speaker 1: identify some trends and patterns and apply it to your

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: future hunts and eventually typically they returned to the norm

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01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: right in some to some degree. So so yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love this stuff. Science. Yep. Science. I never got too

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01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: much into it in high school or before, but now

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Speaker 1: I'm now I'm into it. So I oh, I think

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01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of late nights of staring at

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Speaker 1: pictures and thinking to do well, especially like I cannot

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Speaker 1: wait to check my trail cameras this weekend. It's I am,

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Speaker 1: I'm like watering at the mouth. So I'm jealous. I've

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01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: got one more month. We better end this podcast now

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01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: because your wife wants to go fishing and my wife

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01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: wants me to be a father. So I'm sorry, mine

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01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: sounds a little bit better at the moment. Yeah, you're right,

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01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: you're right, all right, Well, yeah, we should shove this down.

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Speaker 1: This has been This has been a lot of great stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I hope everyone listening that you enjoyed this and

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Speaker 1: that you were able to take as much from it

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Speaker 1: as me and Dan definitely have. If you did enjoy

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Speaker 1: the show. If you haven't yet, we would love for

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Speaker 1: you to give us a review, a rating review on iTunes.

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Speaker 1: Just give us your honest opinion whatever it is. We'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear. Uh. It's really quick to do. It

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Speaker 1: takes like less than a minute, but it's super helpful

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Speaker 1: for us to understand, you know, how we're doing, and

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01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: also for new people trying to, you know, figure out

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Speaker 1: is this a podcast worth listening to? The check out

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Speaker 1: those reviews, So thanks in advance if you can do that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of thanks, we of course need to thank our

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Speaker 1: partners who helped make this podcast possible, so big thank

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Speaker 1: you too. Sick A Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter,

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Speaker 1: a maps Osonics, Carbon Express Lacrosse Boots in the white

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Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America. Thank you, thank you, and finally,

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Speaker 1: thank you to all of you for joining us today,

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Speaker 1: for for sitting through sixty three of these episodes me

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Speaker 1: and Dan John about deer and listening and questioning all

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Speaker 1: these great white tail hunters and hopefully learning a thing

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Speaker 1: or two with us as well. So thanks for being

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Speaker 1: here with us, having an awesome week. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: stay Wired to Hunt.