1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Every one of us, 2 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: and I mean every one of us, have some fantasy. 3 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: We have a fantasy to involve ourselves in something that 4 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: we think is going to bring us joy, peace, bring us, 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: maybe for a moment, some area of safety. But you 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: know that there are people out there where they have fantasies, 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: and these fantasies extend into very very deep, dark places. 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: I've borne witness to the outcomes many times of actions 9 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: that people have taken as a result of some kind 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: of fantasy that they might have. But I can't remember 11 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: a case that is any more horrific than the one 12 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about today. It involves a 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: young lady by the name of Kinsey Aubrey, and her 14 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: life became intertwined with a fantastical narrative that a monster 15 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: created and brought her into, and she wound up dead. 16 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags, Dave mac. 17 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: I know that all of us entertained some type of fantasies. 18 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: As I've said, most of us. The fantasies that we have, 19 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: I think are are good ones. They were seeking out 20 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: to get away from whatever our mundane, humdrum lives are, 21 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: or maybe we're going through some tough times in our 22 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: life and we just want to escape, even just for 23 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: a moment. We fantasize about having a bank full of money, 24 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: or living on an island somewhere, or in a mountain 25 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: cabin with a rushing stream, someplace where we can find peace. 26 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: But isn't it amazing that some people, when they entertained fantasies, 27 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: they're not necess necessarily seeking peace. And the case that 28 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: we have today, I have to say to you, the 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: individual that is responsible for the homicide that we're going 30 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: to talk about, it's actually two people, but one primary 31 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: their fantasy actually involved arguably one of the most horrific 32 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: things that someone could conceive. 33 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: Kensey Aubrey Kensey thirty two years old. She is looking 34 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: for a fresh start. She was looking to live out 35 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: her fantasy of life at the age of thirty two. 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: A lot of us have made a number of mistakes 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: in our twenties. It's almost like you know your friends, 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: and when you're in your twenties, a friend college gen 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: and says, hey, Joe, let's go to the beach for 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: the night. Okay, in your thirties, are like, really, what 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: car are we taking in your forties? You're like, I 42 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: got to plan that. 43 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to make sure all my prescriptions are filled. 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. And in the case of Kensey Aubrey, she was 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: looking for a fresh start and that's what brought her 46 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: to impact with this other man's fantasy. Her fantasy is 47 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: to begin her life over again. Kensey last seen in 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: October in Independence, Missouri. She was from Kansas City and 49 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: her mom said she just wanted a fresh start in life. 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: That's all she wanted, and so she went with some friends. 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: She didn't go on her own. She had a plan, 52 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: and she leaves home to start a new life, and 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: she ends up running into somebody who also had a 54 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: dream a fantasy. Hers was to live a simpler life, 55 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: to get her ducks in a row and move forward 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: with life. His not so much. I always go back 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: to the very beginning of the missing person's report to 58 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: find out who we're looking for, what kind of person 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: are they. Oftentimes you can find out a lot about 60 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: where you're going to find them when you know the 61 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: end by their missing person that's not indicated here. Her 62 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: missing person report was very simple, Joe. Mom hasn't seen her. 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: Family usually has a lot of contact with her. Last 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: had contact October seventh. Last known to be with two 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: men and a woman, Kansas City, and we don't know 66 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: where she is. 67 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: That's actually something you know. At the medical Examiner's office, 68 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: people think about the police. You go to see the police, 69 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: and you file a missing person's report. In a lot 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: of big city Atlanta being one where I used to work, 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: we actually had a missing person's file as well, and 72 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: that information did not come to us from the police. 73 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: We would have family members that would reach out to 74 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: us because many times family would assume the worst, and 75 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: sometimes it actually came to fruition, and we would have 76 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: a mom or a dad, or even a spouse that 77 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: would literally show up at the emmy's office. I've had 78 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: them come in Dave at two o'clock in the morning 79 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: and they'll say, I'm looking for my husband, or I'm 80 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: looking we're looking for our daughter. They just could not 81 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: take it any longer. And so you're sitting there at 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: a table with a family who has either been to 83 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: the police and they didn't receive satisfaction, or they completely 84 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: skipped the police, and they come directly to you to 85 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: the morgue, And we used to have a saying that 86 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,119 Speaker 1: many times, particularly with spouses, people would we always felt 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: like there was that one group of people that would 88 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: come to the medical ex and say, have you seen 89 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: my wife? Have you seen my husband? Knowing full well 90 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: that the person was come back home, and then when 91 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: the person does show back home, they can actually say 92 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: to them, I even went to the medical Examiner's office 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: to look for you. That kind of thing. But when 94 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: we would sit down, you actually have a checklist that 95 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: you go down because the information is so very detailed 96 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: for us, and it is equally for the police. But 97 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: from a forensic standpoint, what we would have is we 98 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: would have this questionnaire that we would run through with 99 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 1: family members and it would cover everything from shoe size 100 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: to any other clothing articles, what did they tend to wear, 101 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: hair color, eye color. Have they had any surgeries or 102 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: do they have surgical scars, Do they have any kind 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: of surgical replacements like hips or do they have pins 104 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: in their joints? Have they ever had a heart surgery? 105 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: Have they had any kind of dental work whatsoever? Because 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: many times that's what everything hinges on. Unfortunately, many of 107 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: the cases that we get kind of a rise out 108 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: of a set of skeletal remains that we will find. 109 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: And one of the most resilient items there is going 110 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: to be the dentition because it survives even beyond bone 111 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: many times. And so if you have somebody that has 112 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: a restoration of some kind, or maybe there is a 113 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: tooth that is missing in an anti mortem state out 114 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: of a skull, that's going to be a specific indicator. 115 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: So we would have this long list that we would 116 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: go down and then we would list the person's name, 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: and then the family would leave us with that data. 118 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: And it's a great place to start from. So if 119 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: we ever got an unidentified body that came in from 120 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: the field in some way they found a skeleton or 121 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: maybe just a decomposing body, we would go back through 122 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: our files first off and say, well, has this person 123 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: been reported missing? The police are much broader because most 124 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: of the time they're looking for a living individual that 125 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: may of on their own free will and volition, just 126 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: decided to shake the dust off their sandals and go 127 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: somewhere else, and you have no idea where they are 128 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: where they wound up. And that's just the way it works. 129 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: I'm glad you said it that way, because that's kind 130 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: of what it was here, you know, because mom was 131 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: like Kinsey left. I know, she had a rough life 132 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: growing up. She's trying to find her own way. Now 133 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: as an adult, she's thirty two, she can go wherever 134 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: she wants. Last scene with this two men and this 135 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: woman in Independence, Missouri with somebody please help me find 136 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: my daughter. And as you were talking about that, I 137 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: was thinking, you know, she did have some tattoos. Five 138 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: foot three, one hundred and thirty to one hundred and 139 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: fifty pounds. They had all that in the descriptor of 140 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: what to be looking for, but they didn't know it 141 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: at the time. But they weren't looking for her anymore. 142 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: It came to us from a teenager. A teenager in 143 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: the foster care system had been sexually molested by a 144 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: forty year old man. That's what broke the story. A 145 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: teenager who actually had the wherewithal to stand up and say, 146 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: this person abused me, and you're not going to believe 147 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: what else he told me. You're not going to believe 148 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: what else I've seen. 149 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: Look, foster care is great, and there have been some 150 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: fantastic success stories, but I can tell you this from 151 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint. I've heard a lot of horror stories too, 152 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: and you never know where one of these poor kids 153 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: is going to land, and then what is going to 154 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: suddenly appear before their sight, what's going to be injected 155 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: into their already troubled life. This is a child, Dave, 156 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: which we can't reveal their name, But this is a 157 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: child like many foster children, who want a home, who 158 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: want to be loved, who want to be taken care of, 159 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: that want to give love and return. But yet when 160 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: you enter into this environment, many times trust is betrayed 161 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: and then they're left broken. But you talk about courage, 162 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine the courage that this young person had 163 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: to come forward and reveal one of the most evil 164 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: things that has ever been reported to that police department. 165 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: Don't know about you, Dave, But when I've lost something, 166 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: I have to have a place to start. I have 167 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: to have some kind of information, and most of the 168 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: time that information arises from my very faulty memory. But 169 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: other times I'll have other people in my life that 170 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: will say, last time I saw you, you had this 171 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: here or you had this there. When you're talking about 172 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: something as big as a missing person's case. Can't tell 173 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: you how many times investigators have scratched their heads over 174 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: cases where they don't ever find anything. And to have 175 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: a young person, a teenager, come forward with information that 176 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: is so incredibly troubling, disturbing, and mind blowing, I can 177 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: only imagine the response that these officers had when they 178 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: were told this tale. 179 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: People in the past carry system young people. We know 180 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: that there's a lot of bad situations there. They're oftentimes 181 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: taken out of a bad situation and placed in foster 182 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 2: care where they become a victim again of another predator 183 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: of a different type. Here's the case of this unnamed teenager. 184 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: She actually knew this woman named Maggie Yebara, the team 185 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: that we're talking about. She had been removed from a 186 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: home that Maggie Yebara was in. I don't know what 187 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: their relationship is, but the teenager knew Maggie and she 188 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: was living in foster care. She went looking for Maggie. 189 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: They had a relationship to when she was a small child. 190 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: Now Maggie Yebara is thirty years old. We know this 191 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: girl's a teen, we don't know how old, but she 192 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: knew Maggie Yabara as a child and she went looking 193 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: for her. As a teen, she found Maggie Yabara, and 194 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 2: Maggie Yabara was involved romantically with a forty year old 195 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: man named Michael Hendrix. Michael Hendrix and Maggie Yavara had 196 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: had a really wild sex life, if you want to 197 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: call it that. It was violent, it was fantasy of stuff. 198 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: I don't know how people fantasize things. I know there's 199 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: different strokes for different folks. But this teenage girl who 200 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: looked up a woman from her childhood, and it opened 201 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: the door to Satan's hell itself because Maggie Yabara showed 202 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: this girl a picture of a woman who was being 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: sexually abused. She had photos on her phone of a naked, 204 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: bound and gagged woman and there were other images on 205 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: the phone depicting dismembered human remains. Now, I don't know 206 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: if Maggie Yebara showed these pictures to the teen as 207 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: a threat. This could be you. I don't know, because 208 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: we haven't had a chance to find out who she is. 209 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: I just know that she's braver than I would have 210 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 2: been in my teens. 211 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that part of this. You might 212 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: be right. Those were being used as leverage perhaps, or 213 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: if it can get any sicker, maybe as an enticement. 214 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: I can't imagine how someone's mind would work if you're 215 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: trying to entie someone into a specific behavior. But isn't 216 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: it correct that Michael Hendrix actually wound up abusing I think, 217 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: sexually abusing this team as well, did he not? 218 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: She tells police that while he was sexually abusing her, 219 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: while he was set well, my forty year old Michael 220 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: Hendricks is sexually abusing this teenage girl. He is telling 221 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: her what he has done. He likes killing, He has 222 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: a sexual fantasy. And she actually said to police that 223 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: he likes killing. He gets excited, it gets him off 224 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: to kill. That's what he told this girl while he 225 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: was sexually abusing her. That's what she was hearing. It 226 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: all leads to a missing person because the photos on 227 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: that phone were of the missing woman we told you 228 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 2: about at the very beginning. It was the woman whose 229 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: mother called police and said, I haven't heard from my 230 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: thirty two year old daughter. She left Kansas City. She 231 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: was headed to Independence to start a new life, and 232 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: I haven't heard from her. In a while can you 233 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: help me find my daughter and Joe, they couldn't find her. 234 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: And even when they found something and they got the 235 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: information from this unnamed teen girl, we know she's been 236 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: threatened with abuse. We know she's been abused. We know 237 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: she's seen horrible photos. She's seen a naked woman bounding gag, 238 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: sexually abused. We know the girl is sexually abused, and 239 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: we know that she's been showing pictures of a dismembered woman. 240 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: The teenage girl told the police that forty year old 241 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: Michael Hendrix molested her and told her he killed a woman. 242 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: He put her body in the freezer and then cut 243 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: her up and buried the remains a lot. 244 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: Of data there to try to understand and understand the 245 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: scope of it. From an investigative perspective, it's important to 246 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: understand how I was talking about the questionnaire that we 247 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: fill out for the medical examiner when we would interview 248 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: family members. For instance, one of the key things is 249 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: that we look for any kind of specific identification on 250 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: an individual. And we do know that Kensy's body, when 251 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: the body was finally recovered, had been dismembered, and it's 252 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: difficult to try to get a body identified anyway that's 253 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: in a state of decomposition. But when you have a 254 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: body that has in fact been piecemealed out like this, 255 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: and I'll get into that in just a moment how 256 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: this was achieved allegedly, then you have to look at 257 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: the individual elements of the body that are left behind 258 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: to try to understand who they might be. Well, what 259 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: are you going to look for a person as young 260 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: as Kensy. You're not necessarily going to see a lot 261 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: of surgical events that have taken place. You know, that's 262 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: one of the things that we commonly look for. You 263 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: might have evidence of bone breakage, and we can actually 264 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: pick up on that on X ray because we will 265 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: in the morgue, we have our own X ray machines. 266 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: We will x ray the individual dismembered remains. Say, if 267 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: you have an arm, a lower leg, and an upper leg, 268 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe even head, you will X ray those items individually 269 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: to see if there's anything that you can see without 270 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: the aid of something you would not otherwise see. So, 271 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: if you've got an old fracture line that can be identified, 272 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: but even with decomposing remains, it's kind of fascinating if 273 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: you've got, for instance, still soft tissue on a human 274 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: leg or arm, or maybe even the back. Did you 275 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: know that, as decayed as the body might be, that 276 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: top layer of skin on the body, the epidermis. You 277 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: can take the edge of a scalpel and begin to 278 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: scrape away the epidermis, and all you see is this 279 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of black greenish discoloration. But you might just buy 280 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: eyeball in it. You might be able to see something 281 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: just beneath it. And I cannot tell you how many 282 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: times I've actually done this with a scalpel blade, where 283 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: you just kind of scrape away. It almost looks like 284 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: you're shaving. But as you begin to scrape that away, 285 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: suddenly you find a tattoo. It's a pretty profound moment 286 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: for you from an identification standpoint, where you can remove 287 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: that top layer of decomposing tissue and still appreciate. That's 288 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: how resilient tattoos are. 289 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: How deep did they go? 290 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: They go pretty deep, I mean well down into the dermis, 291 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: and so that's why it's such an arduous task to 292 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: have them removed. It's not as bad as it used 293 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: to be, but it is still something that procedure in 294 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: and of itself is not something that's pleasant to have 295 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: to go through, but the skin is essentially inked and stained, 296 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: you know now forever, amen. And as you scrape away 297 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: that top layer, many times you can truly appreciate a tattoo. 298 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: And if you apply I think that it's hydrogen peroxide. 299 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: We would do that in the morgue and kind of 300 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: let it bubble to get out a lot of the 301 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: dirt that's in there. Sometimes you can kind of bring 302 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: them back to life and see them see some level 303 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: of vibrancy in the midst of all of this decay. 304 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: You can even go back as far as and I 305 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: urge anybody, because I've told you before I'm a history guy. 306 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: You go back and you look at the bog bodies 307 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: that were covered out of Denmark, and I think some 308 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: of the British isles they had rudimentary tattoos on the body. 309 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: And this was back in the copper Age. They had tattoos. 310 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: You can still see those on some of those bodies 311 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: now because the bodies are so well preserved out of 312 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: the bog, you can still pick up on a lot 313 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: of indicators that might tell you what the point of 314 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: origin is. Here's the problem with tattoos nowadays. Though, because 315 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: everybody has them. It used to be where when you 316 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: were using a tattoo specifically identify a body, many tattoo 317 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: artists came from particular schools of training, and you can 318 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: actually kind of trace a familial lineage to the training. Nowadays, 319 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: there are tattoo shops everywhere. You don't necessarily have to 320 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: sit at the feet of a master to learn, and 321 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: many times tattoos all look the same to us. I'm 322 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: no officionado, but it's not as distinctive, say, for instance, 323 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: that it once was. When we're trying to get a 324 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: body an there's any number of things that we're going 325 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: to look for. And when you're standing over a grave, 326 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: as in a clandestine grave, as these investigators were out 327 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: there in Missouri, they had when they cracked up in 328 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: the ground, they certainly had more questions than they did answers. 329 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: So many times during my career I stood over severely 330 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: decomposing human remains and I would think, and this is 331 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: back at the morgue. Even I would think to myself, 332 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: how in the world are we going to make sense 333 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: of this? And I don't want to screw anything up 334 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: relative to examination or collection of evidence, because everything just 335 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: appears so fragile and isn't it great? Though, just like 336 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: anything in life where you have a few answers prior 337 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: to setting out on this kind of intellectual voyage of 338 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: discovery if you're a scientist. 339 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: The teenage victim here is where we get a lot 340 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: of our information. First of all, I want to go 341 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: back to the original relationship because as I was digging deeper, 342 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: where we find out that this teenage girl that we 343 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: found out all the info from that she actually looked 344 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: up Maggie Yabara. Maggie is the thirty year old girlfriend 345 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: of forty year old Michael Hendrix, who actually is charged 346 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: with they're both charged by the way. But I founded 347 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 2: this teen girl when she was a younger child, was 348 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: actually in the care of Maggie Yabara. So she had 349 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: that type of relationship, digging it back to her child. 350 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: So she tracks Maggie Yabara down. She's looking for that relation. 351 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: This is a foster care child who's looking for her home. 352 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: She's looking and that's why I think there's some relationship here. 353 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: The reason the girl was removed from Maggie's care as 354 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: a child is because one of Maggie's boyfriends at the 355 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: time sexually molested this girl, who is now a teenager. 356 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: The teenager now tracks Maggie down. Maggie shows her these 357 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: pictures of a dead body, and we know that Michael 358 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: Hendricks sexually molested the girl, the teen girl, and while 359 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: he was doing it, he told her that he got 360 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: off on killing people, that it got him excited sexually. Now, 361 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: the teen girl tells the police that she was told 362 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: that Michael Hendrix choked the woman out that he killed, 363 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: that he choked her out and then stuffed her body 364 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: in the freezer and cut her up with a chainsaw 365 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: before burying her. And Joe, I want to go right 366 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: back to the very beginning on this a Why put 367 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: a body in a freezer? Isn't that going to make 368 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: it even more difficult to cut up? And we're told 369 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: the girl that the girl was told that she was 370 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: choked out, that she was murdered by choking, but we don't. 371 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: Is there a way to prove that after the body's 372 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: been frozen and cut up? 373 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: Yes? And yeah, let me kind of break this down 374 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: to you. And I'm going to start off by telling 375 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: you a very brief story. When I was still working 376 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: in New Orleans. I had a case that I'd never 377 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: had ever before encountered anything like this. I had a 378 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: guy who was a cook's first mate on an international 379 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: oil tanker. It was a Korean crew and he got 380 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: into a fight with the chef on the ship, and 381 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: the chef took a meat cleaver and hit this guy. 382 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correctly, the count was like 383 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: in excess of one hundred and sixty times, and they 384 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: were coming around the horn in South America. They took 385 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: the victim's body and put it into the deepris and 386 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: they've got like the super duper depries on the ships, 387 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: which I was not aware of. The first port that 388 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: they put into was actually in my jurisdiction on the 389 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: Mississippi River. And so we caught the case. And it 390 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: was something, I mean, we had to get like the 391 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: Korean consulate involved in it, and all sorts of the 392 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: ship had a Liberian registry. But we kind of got 393 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: things figured out. But when we got this guy's body, 394 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: they did There was a scene in Goodfellas where they 395 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: said when they got Carbone's body, it was frozen so stiff. 396 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: They had to wait for three days before they could 397 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: do the autopsy. That is the truth. This guy's body 398 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: was frozen so thoroughly that we had to allow him 399 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: to thaw out before we could do the autopsy. However, 400 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: it was an experience because everything, in a literal sense 401 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: was frozen in time. So all of those injuries that 402 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: this person had sustained as a result of that attack 403 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: remained in place. They didn't change. They didn't change as 404 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: a result of decomposition. So with our victim here, with 405 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: this young woman who has now been killed, and we 406 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: have information that she has been strangled, essentially she's placed 407 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: in a deep freeze, those insults that she sustained to 408 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: her body paused. Now, bodies never completely ceased decomposing, even 409 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: in cool temperatures. It just it kind of retards the 410 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: progression of it. So in this particular case, it's going 411 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: to slow it down. It's not going to go at 412 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: as quick as speed. Remember we talked about heat bringing 413 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: about decomposition in a very quick manner, But it will 414 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: slow this process down. And so those marks that you 415 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: might see around the neck if you're talking about a 416 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: manual strangulation, those contused areas are still going to be there. 417 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: But I had a real thought about this what would 418 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: be the utility and why would you freeze a body 419 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: after you have taken this poor girl's life. And here's 420 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: what I came to a conclusion. This is a conclusion. 421 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: I came to you from an investigative perspective. First off, 422 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 1: you're trying to think about what to do with the body, 423 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, can you imagine? And I hope you can't, 424 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: but just imagine if you will. You've just killed a 425 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: human being in this fever that you're in because of 426 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: this fantasy world in which you're in dwell and now 427 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: you have this oh my god moment where it's like, Okay, 428 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: I finally fulfilled this fantasy. Now what am I going 429 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: to do with the remains? Now? This Hendrix guy, he 430 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: lives and this is just outside Kansas City, by the way, 431 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: where they finally recover her body. He's got a fantastic property. 432 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm only get the pictures of this thing, and it's 433 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: absolutely it'll knock your socks off. I mean it's gorgeous, 434 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: very pretty, very big, beautiful house, an outdoor workshop, beautiful 435 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: green grass, rolling hills. He has got enough land it 436 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: would appear that he could get rid of a body. 437 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: He has access to this property at least, and you 438 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: look where the body is actually found, and it's immediately 439 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: adjacent to one of the buildings. So it's almost like 440 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: he didn't go to a great deal of effort to 441 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: try to find some isolated rural area to get rid 442 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: of her. In my assumption was it was convenient and 443 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: he had nothing but time on his hands. So to 444 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: say that he's killed her and he makes the decision, 445 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to freeze the body. That way, I can 446 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: have a pause, so I can decide, I can get 447 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: all my tools together, I can make up my mind 448 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: as to how I want to handle this. What's a 449 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: rural setting. You're not going to really raise an eyebrow 450 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: if you hear a chainsaw going off, right. 451 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: You think about a body that would be just the skin, 452 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: it would just be torn that the chainsaw would just 453 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: be gummed and I don't mean to make light of it, 454 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: but gummed up with the body part, the skin and 455 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 2: the tissue and the muscle. It's a big mess. 456 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: It is a big mess, but not with a frozen body. 457 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: It's not a frozen body literally becomes frozen to the core. 458 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: It's almost dave like you're dealing with a piece of wood. 459 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: Wow, with the body. Once you freeze the body, it 460 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: would make it easier to cut up than if it 461 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: wasn't frozen. 462 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: Correct, Absolutely, If you have a tool like a chainsaw 463 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: or a skill saw perhaps or bandsaw some kind, Yeah, 464 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: it would make it very easy to do, all right. 465 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: But we all know that decomposing bodies smell that they 466 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: have a very I promise you, if you've ever smelled this, 467 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: you will never forget it. It will always come back to 468 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: you and you know immediately. By the way, I think 469 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: people know what the smell of decomposing flesh is even 470 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: before they've ever smelled it before, because it is so 471 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: unique to human beings and what we smell like when 472 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 2: we are decomposing. Does freezing stop that process? And will 473 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: the body still as it thaws out? Once you've cut 474 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: the body up and you're going to bear it, would 475 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: it then as it thaws would it start to have 476 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: an odor? Or would it have an odor when it's frozen. 477 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: No, it would in my estimation, if her body went 478 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: into that freezer as soon as she died or within 479 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: say an hour, all right, and she shut up in there, 480 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: the really pronounced decompositional odor that you get with advanced 481 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: decomposition that is not current at this point. That's why 482 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: I say that it retards the process. It literally backs 483 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: it up, and that's why it's so difficult many times 484 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: to try to pinpoint. There are a number of cases 485 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: out there where people have killed in visuals and place 486 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: them in a freezer and then they go to thaw 487 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: them out later, so that decompositional process as the body thaws, 488 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: it kicks in as if the person has just dyed. 489 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: I think one of the most entertaining movies I've ever 490 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: seen is this thing with Jack Black called Bernie, and 491 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: it's based on a true story about this funeral director 492 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: killed this woman in Texas. I recommend this movie to anybody. 493 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: It's absolutely fascinating. It's got Matthew McConaughey in it and 494 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: Shirley MacLean. It's a fascinating movie, it really is, and 495 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: it's really based on a true story and the victim 496 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: in this case was actually placed into a deep free 497 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: so it facilitates mainly not creating a mess. Because if 498 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: you think about this high speed blade of a chainsaw, 499 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: and it is a chain with tiny individual little blades 500 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: on it. That's literally grinding through tissue. If you do 501 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: this with something soft, you're going to have this tremendous 502 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: amount of cast off, high speed cast off that's going 503 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: all over the place. I've actually got a colleague of 504 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: mine who within the last couple of years has worked 505 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: a case where an individual was dismembered with chains on 506 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: the back of a pickup truck. And it was a 507 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: bloody mess, literally, and there was blood cast off that went, 508 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: and it was done in the bed of the truck. 509 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: It was cast off over the cab of the truck, 510 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: down the front of the truck, and even onto the 511 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: leading edge of the truck where the grill is. And 512 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: so it's kind it's a fascinating dynamic because it's a 513 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: high speed event. But if you now have frozen tissue, 514 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: it's like I was saying before, when you're going through 515 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: this tissue and it's frozen solid, it's like going through 516 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: a piece of wood. So you're really you're encountering something here. 517 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: As an investigator, if you're trying to pin down a timeline, 518 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: the data that you're working with is going to be 519 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: greatly skewed. If you're looking to get some kind of 520 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: indication from a biological marker here, because decomposition has been 521 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: thwarted at this point. Now, once these individual remains are 522 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: placed into the ground, all bets are off because you 523 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: will get decomposition going on and it will pick up 524 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And if the body is not in a 525 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: sealed state or a cocoon state, it's even going to 526 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: probably speed this along as well. And you have to 527 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: think about it. Another thing, was the body clothed or unclosed? 528 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 1: Because now after I find out as an investigator, this 529 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: young girl is relating to me the story that she's heard. Hey, 530 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: I was told that this body was dismembered with a chainsaw. 531 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: Let that sink in Well, I want to do everything 532 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: I can on my warrant. When I draw up this 533 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: warrant and I go search this guy's property, which they 534 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: wound up doing, I'm looking for that chainsaw because I'm 535 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: going to try to find a couple of things from 536 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: a perspective of fiber evidence. I want to know if 537 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: there are any bits of cloth that are caught up 538 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: in here. And you can clean an item to a 539 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: certain degree, but you're always going to miss something. And 540 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: then from there, I'm going to look for things like hair. 541 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: I want to know if there's any hair left behind. 542 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: I want to know if underneath and in the edges 543 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: of any of these little saw blades, if there are 544 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: any skin at all, period I want to know if 545 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: that's there. If I can find any skin cells, then 546 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to look for muscle, and all of these 547 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: tissues microscopically are specifically identifiable. If you can find a 548 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: bit of that on there and you can look at 549 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: it under the scope, you can get an idea. It's 550 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: one of the things we learned in microscopic anatomy. You 551 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: can tell the difference between skin cells and muscle cells 552 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: and bone cells, and there will be bone cells as well, 553 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: because the bone is being pulpified at the same time, 554 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: because it kicks up and it creates almost like a 555 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: histamine mist. If you've ever seen an animal that's been 556 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: butchered and has been placed on a bandsaw, it almost 557 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: looks like sawdust dave, and so it leaves behind that 558 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: residue as well, so you've got all of these bits 559 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: of trace evidence that can be tied back to that chainsaw. 560 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: Not to mention the unique tool marks that are left 561 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: behind on these bones when you get the bone out 562 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: of the grave and that chainsaw is in your possession. 563 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: If you really want to try to prove this thing, 564 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: you send this to a tool mark examiner and what 565 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: they'll do is they'll take like a bovine, a cowbone 566 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: or pig bone, and they will try to duplicate these 567 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: marks on that bone with said chainsaw and find out 568 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: if they can duplicate those marks and if they marry 569 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: up to the marks and the bones they recover from 570 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: the grave, and you've got ownership of the chainsaw. But 571 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: can you put that chainsaw into his hand. Well, we've 572 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: got circumstantial information from this young girl that says that 573 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: he admitted or that this woman, this other party had 574 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: stated that the body was in fact dismembered with a chainsaw. 575 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: One of the things we found out as this case 576 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: has gone on, this thirteen year old girl that we've 577 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: talked about, she's the hero in this case. You have 578 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: a mother looking for her daughter, women looking for a 579 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: new fresh start, and she ends up in the hands 580 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: of these evil people. That thirteen year old girl that 581 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 2: talked about seeing the pictures, she was sexually abused by 582 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: this forty year old man who told her that he 583 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: gets off on it. Found out a trial that believe 584 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: it or not, Yabarra's mother, whose name is Ruth Loans, 585 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: she knew about the body being cut up. She was 586 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 2: shown pictures and she testified that these people actually tried 587 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: to get rid of the body by putting it in 588 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: plastic totes, taking it up in a helicopter, and dumping 589 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: it over water. But the plastic totes floated, so they 590 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: had to get the toats of the body parts out 591 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: and that's when they said they were going to bury 592 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: it on the property. And that's why it took time. 593 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: They tried several different things to get rid of that 594 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: body before they buried it on that man's property. But 595 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: we have a thirteen year old girl who was sexually 596 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: abused by this man, and I'm assuming her mother at 597 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: this point. Think about it. She's thirty, the girl's thirteen. 598 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: She was the girl was taken away from Yebarra when 599 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: she was a small child because Ybarra's boyfriends were sexually 600 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: abusing her as a child. She tracks her mother down, 601 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: mom shows her pictures of this membered body. I mean, 602 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: all of it kind of comes together. 603 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, it does, and It's very sad that she 604 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: cycled back into this horror show that's such a very 605 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: young and tender age. What she has borne witness to 606 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: From just the perspective of horror, most people could live 607 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: three lifetimes and never be exposed to anything like this. 608 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: But at the end, both Yabarah and Hendrix have both 609 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: been convicted. They're going to be in jail for a 610 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: long long time. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.