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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Deal Lolly here with

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. Met a couple of things I wanted to

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Speaker 1: go over here real quickly on the on the segment

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Speaker 1: of the show. UM, a couple of store things on ESPN.

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Speaker 1: One that you sent me earlier and this one that

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Speaker 1: moved today. Uh. This one is the Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 1: Overrated and Underrated free Agency. And you would think there's

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Speaker 1: at least one Steeler on this list, and of course,

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Speaker 1: of course, but starting at the quarterback position, they have

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is being overrated. I clicked on this and

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Speaker 1: But I don't. I said, that's the only one I saw,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of went, how's that possible? Because when

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Speaker 1: they're underrated, guy is Ryan Fitzpatrick. They're also the site

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Speaker 1: that says that the Steelers need to sign Ryan Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 1: to be benj. Brothlisberger's back to think. He came out

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Speaker 1: today and said he's probably gonna retire. Hence the he's

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Speaker 1: thirty eight years old. He's he's the same age as Ben. Like,

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Speaker 1: if I'm the Broncos, I'd be interested in Fitzpatrick. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you know a team like that or the Bears, and

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Speaker 1: that's all I can do. But I mean there's a

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Speaker 1: reason he's been on eight teams or something. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's had some kid water moments and he's he's easy

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Speaker 1: to root for. But by no means is he any

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Speaker 1: kind of answer? No, No, Maybe if you're gonna if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me that dek Prescott's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: worth the thirty five million dollar contract he's gonna sign, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we can have that. That's that's the conversation. But to

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Speaker 1: say that he's overrated is no, right. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: had a great year before he got hurt too. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's been playing better than ever running back. Overrated

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Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, I assume as just don't want to pay people.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's to be the highest price guy. That's fine. Um,

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of an odd way of looking at it, though,

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Speaker 1: because what do you do wrong right here? This is

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Speaker 1: another problem that I have with the PF grade. They

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Speaker 1: because that's why what they use. They use their grades

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Speaker 1: for everything. They great a guy who had a hundred

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Speaker 1: snaps as the same as the great a guy who

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Speaker 1: has eight hundred snaps. Yeah, and running back it stands

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Speaker 1: out to like a three hundred carry guys going to

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Speaker 1: be a lot different than a hundred cary absolute efficiency

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Speaker 1: and yard carry and doing it down after down means

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Speaker 1: something to me, as opposed to a guy who goes

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Speaker 1: out and maybe broke off. He got lucky and broke

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Speaker 1: off a couple of long runs and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the stuff was crap. But oh, we gotta give him

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Speaker 1: a high grade here because he did this. Well. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't work for me. And this is an exclusive the

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Speaker 1: ProFootball focus. I mean, this is a scouting problem that's

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Speaker 1: as old as time. But what about that guy that

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Speaker 1: hobbles out there and plays who probably shouldn't but toughs

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Speaker 1: it out for his team, puts a bad performance on tape,

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Speaker 1: But everyone in his building and position coach and creations, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that was the best thing to do. It's still better

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Speaker 1: than his backup. And you helped the team win, and

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Speaker 1: we have more and more respect for you. You know,

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Speaker 1: like there's That's why you can't just all be numbers. No,

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Speaker 1: you can't. His underrating running underrated running back is James White.

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Speaker 1: He's not a running back. He's not running back to

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Speaker 1: compare to put Aaron Jones and James White in the

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Speaker 1: same category. It's just I was actually hoping that he

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Speaker 1: was going to have somebody that could be Steeler oriented,

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Speaker 1: Wayne Mike Davis or someone of that nature, not James White.

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Speaker 1: All Right, he's a receiver. I bet a million dollars

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Speaker 1: he's a buccaneer next year probably, you know. I hate

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Speaker 1: to bring this up, but remember his dad passed away.

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Speaker 1: Where the boat there from Florida. He'd be closer to

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Speaker 1: his family, and obviously the Brady connection. Like he's a

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Speaker 1: specialty player. Though overrated wide receiver Will Fuller, I don't

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Speaker 1: know about that. He really impacts a game when he's

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Speaker 1: and filled with Philadelphia would definitely argue this with Nelson Aguilar. Mhm,

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Speaker 1: I mean he was productive this year. He was That

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Speaker 1: Corey Davis, you know, former first round tick picks. It

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Speaker 1: don't think i'd invest in al I would not. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I saw somebody had to the Steelers should sign Nelson Aguilar.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, are you kidding me? No, the guys they

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Speaker 1: have are better and they're cheaper, right you, he'd be

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Speaker 1: your highest paid wide receiver and he's fifth on four

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Speaker 1: on your depth chart. It's also a terrible message to

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Speaker 1: send to the room. Absolutely and bringing this pipe price

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Speaker 1: guy after letting your buddy go, and you're all better

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Speaker 1: than him, but you're making a way less. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't fly. I saw you upset the apple cart tight end.

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Speaker 1: Gerald Everett overrated. I don't know. I'm excited, like for

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Speaker 1: where he can be just he could be the guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was a small school dude that was

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Speaker 1: tight ends about this age start to break out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think he's really interesting. They're underrated guys Johnny Smith

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Speaker 1: Smith a lot. Yeah, I don't know he's underrated though, No,

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Speaker 1: to buy buy him on John Go offensive line. Overrated

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Speaker 1: Joe Thuney. I mean, I guess he's coming off a

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Speaker 1: don't know if he's top five of his position. But

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Speaker 1: he's like Norwell a couple of years ago, where he

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Speaker 1: signs one of the highest guard contracts in two years.

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Speaker 1: So now you're looking to trade underrated Darryl Williams from

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Speaker 1: overrated Bud Dupree. Of course they hate underrated Carl Lawson.

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Speaker 1: I don't just I don't disagree with that. I thankfully

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Speaker 1: of you know you and I've written so many articles

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Speaker 1: that if you're underrated, first of all, overrated and underrated

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, everyone has you know, there's everyone

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Speaker 1: going to make a fortune from somebody. The league does

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Speaker 1: not underrated. The league under Maybe the viewers and readers

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Speaker 1: do who is right. So okay, you can put any

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Speaker 1: But when he signs for eighteen million a year, that's

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Speaker 1: not gonna He's not underrated. The league knows who he is.

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Speaker 1: Interior defensive line overrated Larry Ogunjobi. Maybe, okay, I don't

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Speaker 1: I mean he's twenty seven underrated. Shelby Harris. I think

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Speaker 1: he's worth, like a show Bert underrated, Denzel Perryman. I've

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Speaker 1: always liked Perryman. I have to have kind of haven't

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Speaker 1: mean he's kind of Carlsson. The league knows how good Jay.

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Speaker 1: The league knows Jason Varrett. He's a first round draft

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Speaker 1: pick for God's sakes, exactly right. Uh. Safety Overrated Keian O'Neil. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's been He's missed a lot of time though. Underrated

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Speaker 1: But I mean, every year he can't be your underrated safety,

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Speaker 1: a fallback plan. Um. So that was the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Sam Monson wrote that, so, I think an underrated guy

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Speaker 1: should be the perfect example to give Pro Football Credit.

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Speaker 1: Focus credit their underrated guy a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: with Shaq Barrett because he wasn't a start. Then that's

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Speaker 1: a guy who's underrated, right, he's coming into his own

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Speaker 1: he's stuck behind good dudes. That's an underrated guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: not a starter that has Paul Sacks. Yeah. Um. Mel

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Speaker 1: Kuiper off of ESPNS website put together a this is

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting a list of his top rated UH quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: since he's been doing the since he's been covering the

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Speaker 1: more than his his highest rated guys. And it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting list because some of these guys hit. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: I think that's they're not all home wrong. I mean

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Speaker 1: to some of his misses on here. It's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: Let's push through the list. So his number one guy

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Speaker 1: was John Elway, Like that's he's ever given a quarterback period,

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Speaker 1: And again I was ten years old, but he was

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Speaker 1: Because the better guy came in and led them on

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Speaker 1: and his first version of his career is just okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's not great. It's kind of I mean, people

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Speaker 1: make it argument with Troy Ape, but well, this guy

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Speaker 1: fact though he's a better quarterback. Well, they never threw

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Speaker 1: But I definitely believe Belichick made Brady early on without question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's flopped at some point where Brady

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Speaker 1: just along. I'm not. I don't want to say he

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Speaker 1: those Super Bowls. I mean, and a lot of these

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Speaker 1: all those years, you know are I mean people would

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Speaker 1: give Ben a hard time. First five years was just

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Speaker 1: Ben's second year in two thousand five. If Ben doesn't

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Speaker 1: win in Cincinnati, they don't win in Indianapolis, they don't

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Speaker 1: and his numbers weren't great to wrap it up, but

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Speaker 1: did they get there without him? Remember better than I do,

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Speaker 1: probably not. They came out throwing in each one of

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Speaker 1: allowed them to play defense. Anyways, his quarterback trajectories are

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Speaker 1: very interesting. I mean, it's an odd position, it really is.

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Speaker 1: But that that list that Mel put together, they're kind

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Speaker 1: of reminds you that just because a guy is rated

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Speaker 1: highly by all the prognosticators doesn't mean it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a hit. I mean, like, what's Lawrence have to do

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Speaker 1: to not be disappointing? Win multiple Super Bowls and then EPs?

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Speaker 1: I mean that you look at that list, you're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: fifteen years in the league, you know, if he's not

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, is it a disappointing pick? A

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Speaker 1: lot of the guys in that list were right right

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Speaker 1: right crazy, So he is. Matt Williamson, I'm Dale Lolly.

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