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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentleman. Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire, Tuesday, February second.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say so, the months start off with a

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Speaker 1: bang on Monday. Holy cow. Before I quickly talk about Monday,

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Speaker 1: I do have to plug our guests later in the podcast.

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Speaker 1: His name is Kelvin Washington. You probably know him if

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Speaker 1: you're into radio or TV. He's talked been talking about

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Speaker 1: sports for a minute. Interesting cat. We get into it.

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Speaker 1: We disagree on some things, agree on others. I think

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Speaker 1: you'll like him, you will enjoy it. Stick around for

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Speaker 1: that couple of notes off the top. Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 1: the biggest story in sports today, but I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to that in a second. Just three random random items.

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Speaker 1: First of all, um, Lebron James played in Atlanta Monday,

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Speaker 1: and this drunk lady courtside and her obviously inebriated husband

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Speaker 1: and they tossed him. So then this drunk, liquored up

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Speaker 1: against the system and all. I mean, it's just like,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Really, we're in the middle

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Speaker 1: of a pandemic. You don't know how to wear a

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Speaker 1: freaking mask, and you're cursing at lebron as the Lakers

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Speaker 1: beat the Hawks, like that's where we are. February in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Um, there's a decent night in the league.

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Speaker 1: The MAVs lost again. Luca don is not gonna be happy.

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Speaker 1: But this isn't really a huge basketball week. Although shout

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Speaker 1: out to a little game of basketball. I was able

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Speaker 1: to play Monday out here in Los Angeles. Quiet little game,

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Speaker 1: nice little run play with a couple of guys who

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Speaker 1: I didn't say I was going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Here's the funniest thing before I get to Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: what's the move when somebody hacks your door dash and

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Speaker 1: tries to deliver Hennessy and Covasier two where they live

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Speaker 1: in the projects on the other side of the country,

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Speaker 1: what's the move? Do you do some digging and try

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Speaker 1: it slide? Do you take immediate action? I am curious.

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Speaker 1: Graham or whatever you say on Twitter. I'm just curious.

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Speaker 1: I you know, haven't given any thought. We're not out

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Speaker 1: any money. Obviously door Dash nipped it in the bud.

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Speaker 1: They texted, did you really order this? We're like huh,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, anyways, all right, let me

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Speaker 1: get to Aaron Rodgers quickly. This is just such a

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Speaker 1: random story. I gotta played ignorance here. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what prompted this. But one of the Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: former teammates, a fella by the name of t J. Lang,

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Speaker 1: obviously an offensive lineman, longtime Packer, comes out Monday and

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason just start saying Aaron Rodgers wants revenge.

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Speaker 1: He's hell bent on revenge against Packers ownership and management. Um.

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Speaker 1: You may want to check on the ownership thing, t J.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Packers are one team that does not

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Speaker 1: have an owner. UM and management for not putting better

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Speaker 1: pieces around him. Now, is that t J? Lang trying

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Speaker 1: to get a job in media now that his career

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Speaker 1: is over. Um, I don't know. Um hell bent on revenge.

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Speaker 1: So the Packers go to the NFC title game, and

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Speaker 1: then I go back to the NFC title game and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wants revenge. I don't. I'm not. I'm not

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Speaker 1: buying it. I'm just not. I can see Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: being ticked off. Um. A year ago. They definitely were

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Speaker 1: bad game. Aaron Jones fumbled twice, lost one of them. Um.

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Speaker 1: If you notice after that fumble in the third quarter

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Speaker 1: rest of the game. Okay, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones, Davante Adams,

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Speaker 1: that's like the big three for that team. Davante Adams

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Speaker 1: dropped a touchdown earlier in the game. They just did

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Speaker 1: not play well. But UM, this idea that he's hell

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Speaker 1: bent on revenge, Like, what does revenge look like for

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Speaker 1: of course the blueprint. Aaron Rodgers does not have a

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Speaker 1: I can understand Aaron Rodgers being ticked off that a

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Speaker 1: first round instead of I don't know, a defensive player

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Speaker 1: NFC title game Again, draft another quarterback? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: well what, I really don't think there's anything there to

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Speaker 1: do it. Here's your best bet. I do want to

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Speaker 1: close out. I'm gonna give a prop bet every day

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Speaker 1: take the under. But Darryl Williams over thirty seven and

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Speaker 1: Cole Hardman, Yes, remember this, Patrick Mahomes through forty two

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Speaker 1: an efficient Chief's offense. They can and will move the football,

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Speaker 1: Al Right, it's time for our interview with Kelvin Washington.

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: and is now in l A. Kelvin Washington? What is up,

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Speaker 1: where where the Calvin go? He left Detroit and l A.

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Speaker 1: Now you took that last sentence right there, other than kids.

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Speaker 1: If you're that talented. Pat Mahomes is already back to back,

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Speaker 1: probably gonna win back to back Super Bowls. I mean,

423
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Speaker 1: and you're looking at Aaron Rodger like, oh, this talent.

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Speaker 1: We all all agree, you're the most talent that we've

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Speaker 1: seen in probably years. Do you have one Super Bowl ring?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He's won as many NFC

427
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Speaker 1: championships his Brady and uh Brady has been there one years.

428
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: Not a good look for Rogers. Yeah, but um, okay,

429
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,239
Speaker 1: so so so maybe Stafford isn't the favorite. Um, but

430
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Speaker 1: I'm also curious as to the Jared goff Engl. You've

431
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Speaker 1: seen him up close. He was really good early in

432
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Speaker 1: his career with McVeigh. People weren't really ready. He's trended

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Speaker 1: downwards the last couple of years. Um. I don't like

434
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Speaker 1: Duck Dynasty Dan Campbell as a head coach in Detroit. Um.

435
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Speaker 1: And I just I'm curious how golf is gonna play

436
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: there because it's pretty clear he's just a placeholder right

437
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Speaker 1: until they can dump him in two years. Well, so,

438
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Speaker 1: so I want to go back to Matthew Stafford for

439
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Speaker 1: a minute. The reason why you should be bearish on

440
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: them or bullet shot to say, and and others are

441
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: as well, is we've always said, look at that armed talent. Right,

442
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: Remember we used to do that with Jake Cotler, that

443
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Speaker 1: his arm is amazing, and it was right, He's like, man,

444
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: his arm is amazing. And Matthew Stafford to your point,

445
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Speaker 1: and as a Lions fan, you would always say, man,

446
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Speaker 1: if he only had this, or if he were only

447
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Speaker 1: surrounded by that. And I think this is is one

448
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: opportunity to say, all right, Matthew Stafford, you now feel,

449
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Speaker 1: probably the next three years have an opportunity to say,

450
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Speaker 1: ce ce ce. It was the Lions organization that's not

451
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: done great by anyone, so much so that they're two

452
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Speaker 1: best players ever in history. Literally never played football again.

453
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: They didn't leave, they didn't request the trade. Calvin Johnson

454
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: never play football again, and and and Barry Siders never

455
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: played football except on matten And so I think now

456
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: you look at uh with Matthew Stafford, he has the

457
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Speaker 1: opportunity to say, see, I'm telling you I'm good, I'm talented.

458
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Speaker 1: I can win big games if only I had an

459
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: organization that believed to me, that put the pieces around me,

460
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Speaker 1: that had a scheme in a system. So that is

461
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: why I do understand you know where you're optimistic about

462
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Speaker 1: this and I think where the branch fans should be.

463
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: You look at Jared Goff and you look at you

464
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Speaker 1: reminded me of a situation where he didn't he still

465
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Speaker 1: so maybe to pan out. But if you go back

466
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Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson, if you go back to Ben Roethlisberger,

467
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Speaker 1: guys who were rookies or second years, I've walked right

468
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl situations. It wasn't simply them right.

469
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: It was this running game, it was a defense, it

470
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Speaker 1: was a system, and they almost were better served because

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Speaker 1: there weren't much expected out of them. Right, We're gonna

472
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Speaker 1: design this one little situation for you, Ben Rothisberger's we

473
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Speaker 1: really don't know who you are from Miami, Miami, Ohio.

474
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Speaker 1: We don't know how great you are. Hand off to

475
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Speaker 1: your own bettest bass Willie Parker throwing a couple of

476
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Speaker 1: little times and we'll let the defense do the rest.

477
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, we got the leasion of boom. You can

478
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Speaker 1: move a little bit, so move when you need to.

479
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Speaker 1: We're gonna hand it off to I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you heard of a game guy named Marshaw, a freaking lynch.

481
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Speaker 1: And we're gonna work it out. And so Jared Golf

482
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: was the beneficiary of that right, Todd Gurley that defense

483
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: and we went, oh, man, and so he was able

484
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Speaker 1: to get paid and compensated because of what I think

485
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: they should have pumped the brakes to see. But what

486
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Speaker 1: happens when we give you more? When Morris required of you.

487
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: We saw that with Russell Wilson, then you go, oh,

488
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Speaker 1: he's a freaking and into the Hall of Fame. You

489
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: saw that with Ben Roethlisberg. You went, oh, he said

490
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Speaker 1: it to all the fame. And there's other people where

491
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Speaker 1: to Colin Kaepernick, I mean, you can go on and

492
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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. Once you start requiring more of them, then

493
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Speaker 1: you can really get to really see who they are.

494
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Speaker 1: And I think the Lions are in a position where

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Speaker 1: they gave up a franchise quarterback to putentially have a

496
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Speaker 1: franchise ish. But you're gonna have to have all the

497
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Speaker 1: pieces around them because one thing that's overrated in the NFL.

498
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Speaker 1: If you take out Tom Brady, you don't have to

499
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Speaker 1: have an amazing quarterback to win. You can get there without.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking to last thirty years, dude. I

501
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Speaker 1: can name some names. You'll be like, yeah, he didn't

502
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Speaker 1: get there, or yeah he didn't want a Super Bowl?

503
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Speaker 1: Joe flat is he even in NFL? Who did the

504
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: Fox fired? I think he was the Jets backup of

505
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Speaker 1: this fast year you playoff. Joe was a thing, January

506
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: Joe whatever they called him. Um, but yeah, he was

507
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Speaker 1: with one of the greatest organizations in the league. That's

508
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Speaker 1: a good and defenses and think about it, Trent Dilford,

509
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Speaker 1: the same Brad Johnson. That Bucks defense was one of

510
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Speaker 1: the greatest of all time. Rich Gannon, can he go

511
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Speaker 1: in there? Did he win too? So he's kind of

512
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Speaker 1: you know, because if you take away those two super

513
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Speaker 1: Bowls he was average. You're right, I said, I said terrible.

514
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Speaker 1: I should have said average. Yeah he's average, He's okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you take away those super Bowls. And mind you,

516
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Speaker 1: it was that defense getting after Brady and so I

517
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Speaker 1: just was explained that somebody here at the office. I said, look, man,

518
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Speaker 1: you don't need a world beater. Aaron Rodgers is a

519
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Speaker 1: world leader and he may never get to one again.

520
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: Think about it. There's a chance Aaron Rodgers could retire

521
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Speaker 1: never getting back to the Super Bowl. Den Rio got

522
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: to one and we all went, oh, he'll get back

523
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Speaker 1: never got bad, you know what I mean. So the

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Speaker 1: point being, if if the Jared Goff can just be

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Speaker 1: what we've seen, maybe scale back the turnovers, and if,

526
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: for gods some reason, the lines ever switching around and

527
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: gotta defense or got a scheme sit around, he could

528
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: mess around and get there before some other people. Again,

529
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Speaker 1: because I've just seen you don't have to have an

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Speaker 1: amazing quarterback to get there. I'm not saying we have

531
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: to say success. Have you considered this? Okay, Golf is

532
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: going from McVeigh to Anthony Lynn as his offensive coordinate,

533
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Speaker 1: and you saw Anthony Lynn up close with the charges.

534
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: It's here, okay, and I'm not listening. I know some

535
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: people are trying to give Anthony Lynn credit for the

536
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: development of Herbert. That is just flat out nobody believes that.

537
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: You know, just asked justin Herbert. He's gone on record. Uh,

538
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach mattered a lot, the o C was good.

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00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel bad for Golf anyway, Let's

540
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: move on. If you would have said Arab enemy honestly, okay,

541
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: I got something? Yeah yeah boy. Um let me a

542
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 1: quick one more Detroit question before we pivot to the NBA.

543
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: They keep showing this movie on cable eight Mile, and

544
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, you're a Detroit guy. Yes, First

545
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: of all, have you ever been to a rap battle

546
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: in eight Mile? Do they exist? Um? You know, what's

547
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: it like? Or if you haven't, like what do you

548
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: think of the movie? Is it like cool in Detroit

549
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: to mention that movie or is it like, oh, let's

550
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: lan that's you know, that's a great question. So I

551
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: I love this conversation because, of course a lot of

552
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: people's association with Detroit is eight Mile. So I'll explain

553
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: it like this, the better representation of the average you know,

554
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: let's say sixteen and twenty five year old in Detroit

555
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: in that era, you know, the nineties early two thousand's

556
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: was not that movie at all, Like I don't even

557
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: know that looked foreign. And again, now I want to

558
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: preface by saying, I'm originally from ann Arbor, but all

559
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: my families in Detroit. Uh. And once I was sixteen seventeen,

560
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I was always in Detroit. And Big Sean the rapper

561
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: his most recent album called Detroit To That's a better

562
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: representation of the Troy because he literally had songs that

563
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Speaker 1: if you're not from there, you would be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. But I don't quite get it. It's

565
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: because it was okay, boy, how much time we got.

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Speaker 1: This is a history. Okay, no, you don't need to

567
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: go diet. I only brought this up because my wife

568
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: and I can recite the wrap Off at the end

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00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: of the movie, and you know, my kids hear us

570
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: joking around. Anytime there's like a quasi mention of any

571
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Speaker 1: of the words in the wrap Off, my wife or

572
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: I will say it, and then the kids are like, oh,

573
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: wrap off eight miles, you know, And anyway, that's not

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00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: that's not but that's not that's not a real representation.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to say it didn't exist, because it

576
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: surely did. I mean, that's very accurate to that crew,

577
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the average person. That was like the

578
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: hyper rapper. I'm all about Battles and Bars crew, and

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00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: that's not the average person. The average person. Anybody from

580
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: the Troy Resist Will collab. But they were at the

581
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: River Rock, they were at Legends, they were on Bellow,

582
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: they were on Jefferson. Anybody from Detroit, well know what

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00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. That was not That was like for

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00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: the hyper That was a very um, very hyper battle

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00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: rap you know, concentrated group like that. Wasn't the broader

586
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: Detroit at all. That not at all? Okay, alright, sorry

587
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: to go off topic. We can I mean, listen, we

588
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: try to do off topic. We've had a comedian on here,

589
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: an actor. We try to do different and you're an

590
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: interesting cat. So I wanted to bring you on. I

591
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: know you the NBA is near and dear to your heart,

592
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: and I have to ask um as a guy who

593
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: grew up you know again, Detroit, you saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of the Pistons. You saw Pistons versus Jordan's. You saw

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Speaker 1: Lakers in the last couple of years with Lebron. You're

596
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: up close right now out here Lebron and the Twilight. Um,

597
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: where do you stand on Lebron versus Jordan's Lebron? Michael

598
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Lebron James

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00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: is the best player of all time, by great I

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Speaker 1: will hold up hold up, ho ho ho ho. You

601
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: just said Michael's the best, Lebron's the greatest. Michael Jordan

602
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: is the greatest basketball player of all time. Lebron James

603
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: is the best basketball player. Best and greatest is I'm

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00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna break it down. Greatest involved totality, like the storyline, impact,

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00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: cultural uh and to his credit, Jordan never lost in

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00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: the finals. So all of those things, hands down, you

607
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: cannot debate that makes him the greatest. Everything plays around

608
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: his shoes again, the look he was longer, shorts the ball,

609
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: and not to mention, just pure dominance on the court.

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00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: But when I say Lebron is the best, what I

611
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: mean by that is if we were all at Venice

612
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Beach watching guys who right, you would say, well, what

613
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: the freak can't this guy not do? He just outrebounded

614
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: everybody out here. He's the Magic Johnson freaking dropping dines

615
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: better than anybody out here. And not to mention, especially

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Speaker 1: if you're going, like you know, thirty year old Lebron

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Speaker 1: four five years ago. He's dunking on people from freaking

618
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: half court and free throw line. He's dunking on everything.

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Speaker 1: And he's the fastest human being out here. How is

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Speaker 1: he six eight to six and he's the fastest person

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Speaker 1: out here? That like tenure stretch of Lebron. Literally, if

622
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: he got a fast break, he's gone. He's just in Also, Jason.

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Speaker 1: I also go like this, if I'm a GM and

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Speaker 1: you're telling me, as you know, a GM, sometimes you

625
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: miss right. You get your draft bad players, you're your

626
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: time free agents that don't work out. I know that

627
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: if I get Lebron James, literally me, you, Robert and

628
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Rob Parker, the four of us plus Lebron, we got

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Speaker 1: a chance. What's the expectation for us to make the finals? Right?

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with a single other person. If

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Speaker 1: I told you, honest and four bums, you'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they'd be lucky to make the playoffs. Look at Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: he's two time raging m v P, the first ever

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Speaker 1: unanimous MVP. And what everybody doing making Ski well, Clay's out, well,

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Speaker 1: Draymond was out of there. Lebron didn't get that. It

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Speaker 1: was he better make the finals with Dellavadova and freaking

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Speaker 1: il Galskis, whoever was on the team. That's because of

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Speaker 1: how great his talent is. And you went your expectations

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Speaker 1: and every last thing I'm gonna say, everyone always said,

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Speaker 1: what else will He never played in the West. He's

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Speaker 1: lucky he was in the East. East is the least

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Speaker 1: And I told everybody. I would tell him for a decade,

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Speaker 1: Robert kN Vouch I told people I would say, Man,

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Speaker 1: if he played in the West for the ten years

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Speaker 1: twelve year stretch of y'all keep talking about, he would

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Speaker 1: have been with the freaking uh Live City Clippers then,

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Speaker 1: or he would have been running with Kobe, or he

648
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Speaker 1: would have been running with the Warriors or the Spurs,

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Speaker 1: or or the freaking Grizzlies with Zebo and Marc Gasol

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Speaker 1: and Mike Conne. So you're telling me you wanted him

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Speaker 1: on one of those teams. I agree. He may have

652
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Speaker 1: gone to the finals less, but he surely would have

653
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Speaker 1: never lost. If Lebron could go back into the Lorian,

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Speaker 1: you go back time in time, he might have been

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Speaker 1: better served than the West. Maybe he only goes five

656
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Speaker 1: six times in finals, he never lose. It's interesting, this

657
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Speaker 1: is this is an angle. I gotta be honest. I've

658
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Speaker 1: been a part of a lot of these discussions. I

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Speaker 1: did a video for Fox when I got there in ten.

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00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I think we did it in like December sixteen, and

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00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: it got over a million views, just Lebron Jordan's stuff.

662
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Speaker 1: And I have never heard the split between greatest and

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Speaker 1: best huh. What's the reaction. You usually get two greatest

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Speaker 1: versus best I get huh. Yeah, I need to let

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Speaker 1: that meritate. It's gonna take a minute. You know, I

666
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Speaker 1: do know what I mean. I'll give you what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady is the great we call him the goat.

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Speaker 1: He he he is the greatest. But that when you

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Speaker 1: look at probably three four of the quarterbacks, they were better. Okay, okay,

670
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Speaker 1: so time out. So Brady is the goat? Yeah, you

671
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Speaker 1: just mean you think Jordan is the goat. Yes, Jordan

672
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: is the greatest of all time. There's no arguing his storyline.

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00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: It matches, the credentials on the court, the cultural impact.

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Speaker 1: He's just the greatest. It's the greatest Tupac the greatest rapper,

675
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's how is greatest above best because it

676
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Speaker 1: encompasses everything, whereas the best first, the best player may

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Speaker 1: not win the best player. You know, uh, because I

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Speaker 1: look at it as a as a as a as

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Speaker 1: a tool belt to right Lebron and its tool belt.

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00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna go down as top three passer, probably the

681
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Speaker 1: greatest score, probably gonna go to more finals, and just

682
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Speaker 1: about anybody, mean other than you know, like the sixties Celtics, Like,

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Speaker 1: what didn't he do? The only thing is what most

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Speaker 1: people can say is he didn't win six and old

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Speaker 1: like Jordan's right, or he would. He didn't have the

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Speaker 1: urger the tenacity that I that I have. Someone would

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Speaker 1: say that they personally like like a Kobe, he wasn't

688
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: cut through such a dumb man. But when you just

689
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Speaker 1: watched the basketball game, my expectation and not to mention,

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Speaker 1: he was like thirteen and five or something crazy like

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Speaker 1: that against Kobe. But when I just watched him play

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Speaker 1: every single season, Jason, we all go the gap between

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Speaker 1: him and first and second whoever second. It's just it's

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Speaker 1: it's not even close. How about this. I've tried to

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Speaker 1: push this. People don't like to hear this basketball forty

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Speaker 1: eight minute game, right, yep? I would take Lebron for

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Speaker 1: the first forty seven. Yeah, or in for the final minute,

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00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: because Lebron is gonna elevate the play of everyone else.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get you the triple double, get you there.

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Speaker 1: But there's something about Jordan's clutch factor if you will, um,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't. I mean, he wouldn't pass, you know for

702
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: the game winning shot. Um. But he wants to rip

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Speaker 1: your heart out, not saying that doesn't. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know that, and that kind of is splitting it and

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00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: argue with people when I tell them, I say, stop

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Speaker 1: coming to me telling me. This is what people say,

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00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: who's better Kobe or Lebron or or you know so

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Speaker 1: and so? First Lebron, and I'll be like, uh, Lebron.

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Speaker 1: If you don't say other than Jordan, I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: Lebron and then they'll go. So you're telling me last

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Speaker 1: second shot you want nferent. That's a different argument, because

712
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: watch this. I take Reggie Miller over just about everybody.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a better player. Calvin, this is

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Speaker 1: a bridge too far, Reggie Miller. You wouldn't take Reggie

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Speaker 1: Miller for one shot? Remember the argument people always say

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Speaker 1: it with Lebron? Why do you missed that shot? I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you just asked me who the best player was. You

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00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: didn't say who's the best person? You know, I'm taking

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry over Reggie Miller in any shooting involving a shot,

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Speaker 1: is Curry? Give me that? Any day name of clutch

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Speaker 1: shot Steph Curry has made. I'll wait. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know he had almost a half court shot to beat

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Speaker 1: the thunder on that Saturday night. Uh, that is his one,

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Speaker 1: and that it was a regular season I think that's

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Speaker 1: hide and I think you beat him, and I think

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Speaker 1: that well, I think it was the game one of

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00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: like two seconds left. So so what's Reggie Miller the

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Speaker 1: one that gets the knicks, the one, the one that

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Speaker 1: gets the bulls, the one that gets the knicks, the

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Speaker 1: one that gets the knicks? Do you mean what Reggie

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Speaker 1: Miller stays that Reggie Miller is your pin of me

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00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: of clutch individually. Now, his teams weren't and he didn't

733
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Speaker 1: have a lot around them. Reggie, I'm taking him over.

734
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: So he hit a bunch of big shots, but never

735
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Speaker 1: want anything right. And I'm saying he didn't have a

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Speaker 1: warrior's team. I'm not sure I could find Ronaldo Blackman

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Speaker 1: hitting a bunch of clutch. That's like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about that. I mean, anybody hits I want to wait told,

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Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, Calvin, I don't want to jump through.

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Speaker 1: And even a Detroit guy is loving Reggie Miller. Top

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Speaker 1: five Top five favorite players one of mine, Reggie Miller

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Speaker 1: first of best, Top one of your favorite, you know

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Speaker 1: the Patrick Ewings on my list for fa I'll say this,

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00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: I also don't like Reggie Miller because he stinks as

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Speaker 1: an announcer and he blocked me on social media for

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Speaker 1: like nothing because I said he sucked as an announcer.

747
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Speaker 1: Why do people say him and Chris Webber sucks so bad?

748
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: I like Webber. I like Webber. I feel like Rebbers

749
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: are authentic. Reggie Miller is just annoying. Man. I'm sorry, fans,

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Speaker 1: I apologize even thought to see from Detroit. Give me

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Speaker 1: Reggie oversea? Where When it comes to the broadcasting people,

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00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: I think Chris Webber. I think there's a case that

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00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: he's one of the most underrated players of my generation.

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00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: That guy so ridiculously talented. I can get done with that.

755
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: But it's again, it goes back to the winning thing.

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Speaker 1: Here's my all right, I can I drop one more

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Speaker 1: and you give me thirty seconds? I've done. We the

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00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: public created this narrative that if and it's it's because

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Speaker 1: of shows. All you know, all these uh first thing

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Speaker 1: first and first pick of first, first take Everybody's first,

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00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: all these stipports shows where we have to have something

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Speaker 1: to debate and talk about is what we do right

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Speaker 1: sports radio, uh, social media? Growing up? Great example, you said,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Dewing, I said Reggie Miller. I'm glad we both

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Speaker 1: said those two names. Neither want to run one to ring,

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Speaker 1: but during their run you never talked to you. Just

767
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: like Reggie Miller freaking dope. He's he makes big shots.

768
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Speaker 1: And if you're a Nick fan, you hated him. You

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Speaker 1: hated other guys just for the sake of your team,

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Speaker 1: but you didn't bash them for simply not winning a ring.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Jowing, I was like, shoot, he's dope, man, Pat

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Speaker 1: you and the NIXT man, that's gonna be a good

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Speaker 1: game against the Pistons. You never bashed him. Here's what happened.

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00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant is what happened. And I mean this in

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Speaker 1: the most complimentary way. He's the first player we ever

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Speaker 1: saw where we went, man, is he on George's level? No,

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Speaker 1: no way. He hasn't won anything. Then he wins, then

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Speaker 1: he wins, then he wins. Triple three pe Ordon Mike Jordan,

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Speaker 1: We're like, oh, shoot, looks like him, talks like him,

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Speaker 1: same size as him, balling like him. Three rings. You're like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: he's only got three comes back and he gets five

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Speaker 1: you know. Shoot, yeah, well he lost a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: lost to the you know that, the Pistons, and he lost,

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Speaker 1: uh to the Celtics. He's five and two. Jordan's six

785
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: and ol so it's Jordan. So then Lebron's creeping up

786
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: in the middle of this. We all see the talent,

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00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: we all see the best player in the league. But

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00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: what do we do. Yeah, he's that great, has one anything,

789
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: hasn't one anything? And so we started making it where

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00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: you can't just be great like we used to. So

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Speaker 1: somebody was dumb, they were dope. Then it turned into

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Speaker 1: you have to have had all these rings we started

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Speaker 1: doing and then all of a sudden, think about it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess my pushback Kelvin would be, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: using the universal we like you and I don't say

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Speaker 1: dumb sh it like that. Um, well, I'm taking a

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Speaker 1: lot of these people, these meatballs on social media. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, social media gave everybody a voice, and let's

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Speaker 1: be on not everybody deserves a voice. A lot of

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00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: these people haven't done the research or the homework. They

801
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: don't know the numbers, they don't know the eras, like

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00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: all that stuff matters and this whole like well rings, Like,

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00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean Robert Ory, how many rings he got? Got ring?

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00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan got a lot of rings. Don't we talking

805
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: about him in the discussion? Um, I really think social

806
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: media has been the divisive figure in all of this.

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00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, you brought up Reggie Miller and I

808
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: can't get over this. Like I grew up in the

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00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller era. I've seen Clay Thompson. I would take

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00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson over Reggie Miller in a heartbeat. And I

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Speaker 1: couldn't even put Reggie Miller's name in the same sentence

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Speaker 1: as Stef Curry, Like I would say, Reggie's gotta put

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Speaker 1: up against Clay Thompson first. Then you upgrade from that

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00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: into the Curry discussion. Now, I am a little impartial

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Speaker 1: to Curry. I started a podcast, like I don't know,

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00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, and he was the first guest I

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00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: ever had before he blew up. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: saw him out here in l A and you know,

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Speaker 1: he said he remembered me. But whatever I Do'm a

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Speaker 1: Curry guy. I'm in the tank for Curry. I just think,

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Speaker 1: you know what, he's a comp much at the NBA levels.

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00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: Incredible for being a small guy. But you know this

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Speaker 1: is fun, Kelvin, Damn, this is uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: thought you had some interesting insights. I've got to let

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Speaker 1: Lebron Jordan's best greatest marinate. Um I do put the

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Speaker 1: goat symbol next to Lebron. So I guess we ultimately disagree,

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Speaker 1: but I liked your Stafford Verry Sanders stuff. So Kelvin, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know where can the listeners find you? Spectrum Sports.

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Speaker 1: It's the the channel when you turn your TV on Boom,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be on there on channel, but you can't

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Speaker 1: do anything about it. He's there. Yeah, I tell people

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Speaker 1: the jokes. If you don't like if you don't like me,

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Speaker 1: then you probably don't like Spectrum. I'm on a whole

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Speaker 1: lot here. Uh, Spectrum News one if you're in l A.

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Speaker 1: If you're not, you can find me on Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: same handle kaid up Live k d U B b

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Speaker 1: L I V. I love talking man, I love talking

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Speaker 1: sports obviously, I love talking about it, talking smack, having fun,

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Speaker 1: um and I love what you do man. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back up Wenna do some radio here soon. Man.

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Speaker 1: We wanna make that happen real soon, get back over everything.

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Speaker 1: We definitely do three hours of disagreeing and agreeing to disagree,

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Speaker 1: because respecting each other's a pity because I know you're

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Speaker 1: putting in the work, you know your stuff, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I got some stuff for you, and you're a

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry level and I saw another day. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: will save that one for day. Listen. I people hate

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Speaker 1: that I say Steph Curry's above Isaiah Thomas in the

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Speaker 1: all time point guard. But that's fine. That's fine people.

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Speaker 1: Is Curry a true point guard? That's another discussion. So

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Speaker 1: Calvin Washington, all right, thanks a lot, buddy, enjoy the week.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk