Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always on Pacific time,
Speaker 1: or at least that's helping me forget that. It's two
Speaker 1: fifteen in the morning in London as we start the
Speaker 1: show in the beautiful talkSPORT studios. So lucky today to
Speaker 1: be joined by Ali Connelly fresh off is amazing debut
Speaker 1: preview show performance, Phoebe Scheckter straight from the airwaves at
Speaker 1: Sky Sports, and Will Gavin, who I believe lives here
Speaker 1: at Talksports.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Literally, I've left the studio in seven years, so it's
Speaker 3: a delight to be back with other people because Coffidy
Speaker 3: gets lonely at this time on a Monday morning.
Speaker 1: This place is impressive and I love this foursome that
Speaker 1: we have. There is no one I would rather be
Speaker 1: in a car with at one point thirty in the
Speaker 1: morning on the way to the studio than Phoebe sector Like.
Speaker 1: We love honking so much about football and ourselves that
Speaker 1: we actually talked the whole way here after doing Sky
Speaker 1: Sports all day.
Speaker 4: It is lovely to be here with you.
Speaker 1: We were also at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium about twelve hours ago.
Speaker 5: I was going to say three different locations today for
Speaker 5: the win from the stadium. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 5: if I'm okay to bring this up and with your fans.
Speaker 5: You took a motorcycle to sky and then we took
Speaker 5: a car. So planes, trains and automobiles is occurring today.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we will get to that. We won't bore
Speaker 1: the people at the top, but we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Bears impressive win today.
Speaker 1: We were all at that game, but we're not going
Speaker 1: to start with that game because we got to start
Speaker 1: with Ali's favorite game.
Speaker 4: Here Washington Baltimore. Let's hit it.
Speaker 3: Hev me all over to the back field.
Speaker 4: He'll get the carry up the middle.
Speaker 6: Big hole potch down for the King.
Speaker 7: Derek Henry strikes again and the Ravens extender lead.
Speaker 4: That was Darry Sandusky of w b a L.
Speaker 1: Dereck Henry on a day where it felt like he
Speaker 1: wasn't even that big a part of the game plan,
Speaker 1: wasn't that big a part of the win?
Speaker 4: And then I looked up.
Speaker 1: At the end of the game and he has twenty
Speaker 1: four carries for one hundred and thirty two yards. It
Speaker 1: is amazing what this offense is doing. Everyone is looking fantastic.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Alie. I almost am surprised looking
Speaker 1: at the final score that they only ended up with
Speaker 1: thirty points in a day where it just felt like
Speaker 1: they could have kept playing this game and the Commanders
Speaker 1: were not gonna stop them or catch up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you get Zay Flowers in the first half where
Speaker 8: it gets what nine catches in the first half and
Speaker 8: then nothing the rest of the way. And Henry you
Speaker 8: mentioned with running the ball, the huge kind of game
Speaker 8: changing aspect he brings to the offenses. The after the
Speaker 8: tackle stuff is just as never ever a bad down
Speaker 8: to run Derek Henry. I think he's up to now
Speaker 8: full games this season with thirty yards over expectation. I
Speaker 8: don't know what an expectation could be for Derek frankly,
Speaker 8: but next gen comes up with those stats. Last season,
Speaker 8: Greg only one player at four games all season, Christy McCaffrey.
Speaker 8: Henry as full already this season. And so I you've
Speaker 8: mentioned this before, what is the option to stop these
Speaker 8: guys when they're trying to run the ball.
Speaker 3: What can you possibly do?
Speaker 8: The idea of picking between Lamar has the ball or
Speaker 8: Henry has the ball. Now the passing game is expending.
Speaker 8: There's just no simple way to stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the linebackers for Washington, Frankie Luvu, Jordan Rodrieg's favorite
Speaker 1: player who's been playing great all year, rendered almost irrelevant
Speaker 1: in this game.
Speaker 4: And then they picked on Bobby Wagner. I thought of
Speaker 4: dec amount.
Speaker 3: Also.
Speaker 1: I apologize Ali because I went around the room and
Speaker 1: we did the little hey, how you going, and I
Speaker 1: didn't include you, And I gotta say, like, like your
Speaker 1: hair is it's better than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: In the morning.
Speaker 8: You saw me zoning out after fourteen hour a day.
Speaker 8: I'll give this guy a break.
Speaker 1: Well, it was kind were you like, we're watching this game,
Speaker 1: this was our game on Sky Sports Phoebe, and like,
Speaker 1: is your takeaway here more about how unstoppable Baltimore is
Speaker 1: or some concern with Washington?
Speaker 3: Where are you going?
Speaker 5: I think it's about how unstoppable the Ravens are right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, to Allie's point, they were finding ways to
Speaker 5: win every single time they were on the on the field.
Speaker 5: And you know, the first half with a definite z
Speaker 5: flower show. Then you give to the second half mark
Speaker 5: Andrew starts stepping up. You start just finding ways that
Speaker 5: they are attacking you and Derrick Henry. I know it
Speaker 5: didn't feel like he did much, but they're finding ways
Speaker 5: to utilize him, whether it's outside of the pocket, you know,
Speaker 5: straight downhill runs and he's always wanted to punch it
Speaker 5: in the end zone.
Speaker 3: Four hundred and eighty four totally yards in this game,
Speaker 3: and Lamar Jackson afterwards called it a pick your poison offense,
Speaker 3: and I think that's before with this bottomore team, when
Speaker 3: we've seen them and expected them to go on deep
Speaker 3: runs and then they've stumbled in the playoffs. There's been
Speaker 3: a lack of balance, there's been a lack of weapons,
Speaker 3: There's always been something to point to. It feels like
Speaker 3: there's no more excuses for this offense at this point.
Speaker 3: It feels like they're going to be able to attack
Speaker 3: you in so many different ways. But I have to say,
Speaker 3: on the other side of the ball, from what I
Speaker 3: saw of Jadean Daniels today, both the touchdown throws I
Speaker 3: thought were absolutely sensational to Terry McLaurin, brilliant timing throws,
Speaker 3: particularly that fourth down, and you know, yes, we should
Speaker 3: be pouring praise on the bottom or Ravens here, but
Speaker 3: Jadan Daniels still continues to impress and probably his first
Speaker 3: time going up against a proper heavyweight on the other side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is there is a sense with this team
Speaker 1: every week when they're facing a new kind of test.
Speaker 4: Last year it was last week.
Speaker 1: Rather it was the Browns defense, which obviously presents certain
Speaker 1: challenges in every week. It's like another piece of evidence
Speaker 1: that yeah, this has stay in power. This is a
Speaker 1: real thing. We know the defense just doesn't have the
Speaker 1: personnel and maybe not the scheme to overcome that personnel.
Speaker 1: But Daniel's doing next level things as a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: Keeps happening, and this is a case where he didn't
Speaker 1: really get help from his running game. I think we've
Speaker 1: seen the running games dried up, especially without Brian rape
Speaker 1: But I don't think Brian Robinson would.
Speaker 4: Have saved them today.
Speaker 1: The running game is kind of stagnated other than his
Speaker 1: scrambles the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and even in the passing game, this was one
Speaker 8: of those My guy Cliff Cliff comes into this game.
Speaker 8: You know it's big TV spot. He knows it's a
Speaker 8: Lamar Daniel's show. He wants to show off, make sure
Speaker 8: people remember Cliff Kingsby. Some of the situational play calling
Speaker 8: was really quite off, and I just didn't feel like
Speaker 8: Daniels has put in very good spots to succeed. It
Speaker 8: was really just on him. This was one of those
Speaker 8: ones where it's like this guy has the special stuff.
Speaker 8: It was one of those anticipation throw games, go and
Speaker 8: make your own play games. It was not one where
Speaker 8: he's getting a bunch of help from the line who's
Speaker 8: played really well for most of the season, receivers springing
Speaker 8: open all over the place. It was him and Terry
Speaker 8: McLaurin in certain spots and tended him just go on
Speaker 8: and making plays.
Speaker 3: Ollie, are you saying we might have overreacted to the
Speaker 3: first few weeks of the season as this Cliff Kingsbury renaissance.
Speaker 8: Cliff Kingsbury great play designer, not always a great play caller.
Speaker 8: He is a guy who I've mentioned before likes to
Speaker 8: show off early in the season. Here's all my bag
Speaker 8: of goodies, and I would like him sometimes to pass
Speaker 8: over the year all the different stuff. He brought a
Speaker 8: lot of the goodies today and they had no chunts
Speaker 8: when there was no blocking.
Speaker 5: Go from I think that what happened too, was Jayden
Speaker 5: Daniels did a really nice job of responding to what
Speaker 5: the Ravens showed him. Right, So we talked about the
Speaker 5: first half there was a lot of those those passes
Speaker 5: outside of the numbers, which we hear so much about.
Speaker 5: And then second half they challenge him and he's throwing
Speaker 5: over the middle, he's finding zach Ertz, he's finding Noah Brown,
Speaker 5: and I think that just goes to show the versatility.
Speaker 5: He didn't have to use his legs that much either,
Speaker 5: which was nice to see because he almost became the
Speaker 5: top rusher for a second there based off of, you know,
Speaker 5: really not having Brian Robinson.
Speaker 1: Yet he ended up just twenty two yards on the
Speaker 1: ground and that was the top rusher for Washington. It
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy that a rookie quarterback is leading
Speaker 1: one of, if not the best offenses in football with
Speaker 1: zach Ertz, Noah Brown, Yes, Terry McLaurin, who's one of
Speaker 1: the best receivers in the league, and Zakias as his
Speaker 1: top guys. Echoler making plays in the passing game and
Speaker 1: this could have been a blowout. Baltimore ended up with
Speaker 1: twenty eight first downs, four hundred and eighty four yards.
Speaker 1: The early interception was the worst throw Lamar Jackson made
Speaker 1: all day, But other than that, he was spot on
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty three yards and twenty six attempts
Speaker 1: and it could have been much more one sided, but
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. Ali Jayden was just making special throws
Speaker 1: where a couple of the third downs to McLaurin on
Speaker 1: the outside where there's really like no window and he's
Speaker 1: hitting it, he's looking off defenders. It was a back
Speaker 1: shoulder for one of the touchdowns. Like it's all just
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. And it's a wide open division and they're
Speaker 1: four and two and they still kind of feel like
Speaker 1: the team to beat, and the Ravens are maybe the
Speaker 1: team to beat in the AFC four straight wins. Travis
Speaker 1: Jones has another big day, like Bateman and Andrews finally
Speaker 1: do a little What gets in the way of this
Speaker 1: Ravens team at least? Do you think during the regular season.
Speaker 8: I can't really see anything. The only thing I would
Speaker 8: have thought of coming into the year was would the
Speaker 8: defensive front really hold up? Did they have a special
Speaker 8: pass rusher? Could they get that? Can you be a
Speaker 8: team that blitz and sims your way through an entire season.
Speaker 8: We haven't really had a full body of work of
Speaker 8: these style of defenses playing over a full season, particularly
Speaker 8: going into a postseason having great success. But we've now
Speaker 8: got a Deafa Alway who has become one of the
Speaker 8: top preminent pass rushs in the league, seemingly out of nowhere.
Speaker 8: They've been flashed in the past. Now he's developed into
Speaker 8: being a true every downthroat.
Speaker 1: I almost keep throwing it to Ali because I'm just
Speaker 1: like looking straight at him and and I'm intimidating a
Speaker 1: little bit. Will by your your radio voice, you were
Speaker 1: you were going to do this, and I'm hearing myself
Speaker 1: in my ears and it's like listening to Tom Brady
Speaker 1: or something for three hours.
Speaker 3: And this is with my voice feeling pretty rough after
Speaker 3: the four hour calls though, which Ollie did join us
Speaker 3: on on Talk Sport. Look this whole when zach Or
Speaker 3: brings in danps as like a kind of an advisor,
Speaker 3: and it did start to look as Alli was talking about,
Speaker 3: like it worked sure that this was going to be
Speaker 3: a sustainable thing. I just can't figure out if today
Speaker 3: was a case of Brian Robinson was out, Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 3: didn't call a great game and that's why they were
Speaker 3: so stout up front, or whether this was a really
Speaker 3: good performance from this run defense, which hasn't necessarily shown
Speaker 3: up so far this season. They've got the Bucks up next,
Speaker 3: which I think we saw how powered their offense can
Speaker 3: be earlier today, and so that may be a better
Speaker 3: test for them. That for me is probably the place
Speaker 3: that they fall over. You know, Kyle van Noy, who
Speaker 3: has had a sensational start to the season but has
Speaker 3: been their best player on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: Is that really sustainable? Is not having those very special But.
Speaker 4: I did it for a whole year with them before
Speaker 4: they are crazy.
Speaker 1: When Yannick and Gakway had a key sack in this game,
Speaker 1: I was like, they've done it again. They've signed a
Speaker 1: guy no one wanted in the middle of the season
Speaker 1: and he's gonna end up having some big play that
Speaker 1: wins them a game in the division around.
Speaker 4: It's just what they do.
Speaker 1: And one thing we talked about Phoebe was the play
Speaker 1: action and the under center game. At the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season, we said it's almost like they have two
Speaker 1: offenses and they're not really married up. And now it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they almost have two offenses and both of them are awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they've done a really nice job of planning
Speaker 5: it out too, right, so you're looking at what they're doing.
Speaker 5: They might go in have a deep pass, they usually
Speaker 5: would return to the run. They mix it in a
Speaker 5: little bit. You got some nice play action. They found
Speaker 5: it really great ways to move the ball around and
Speaker 5: again utilizing Derek Henry, they didn't even have to really
Speaker 5: use Justice Hill. I mean, he's pretty much coming in
Speaker 5: as a pass blocker at this at this rate. But
Speaker 5: I like what they're doing. I think that Lamar's enjoying
Speaker 5: it out there. I think he wants to have a
Speaker 5: cleaner game. I think we all want to see them
Speaker 5: have a cleaner game. But it doesn't phase them in
Speaker 5: the fact that, yeah, they're getting turnovers, but they're still
Speaker 5: finding ways to win.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Yeah, they look awesome. I feel I was a
Speaker 1: little nervous before this was like two thirty. We haven't
Speaker 1: all ever done a show together. Well, this is your
Speaker 1: first time on NFL Daily. That's very excited.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, I think we're gonna kill this show.
Speaker 1: We're gonna knock it out. Let's go to where they
Speaker 1: were killing it in Dallas.
Speaker 9: Lions from the road forty eight for the first down,
Speaker 9: Golf up under center, single back Montgomery.
Speaker 10: Jared takes tosses to Montgomery, flips it back to Amed Rock.
Speaker 3: He gives it to Golf. He's gonna throw down field.
Speaker 4: He's got Laporta missed the grab.
Speaker 9: Twenty fifteen ten five ye touchdown Detroit Lyons help.
Speaker 10: Out a little raffle dazzle in the lone star state
Speaker 10: fifty two yards.
Speaker 4: That was Dan Miller on w X Y T yes.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff on one of the roughly seventeen trick plays
Speaker 1: that the Lions decided to call as they got the
Speaker 1: ultimate revenge on that nonsense game that they lost in
Speaker 1: Dallas a year ago forty seven to nine. I thought
Speaker 1: it'd be one sided if you listen to the pick
Speaker 1: Show with Neil Reynolds, but I never thought it would
Speaker 1: be this one sided. Them just dropping a hammer. Jared
Speaker 1: Goff completing eighteen passes once again this week, this time
Speaker 1: for three hundred and fifteen yards and three touchdowns. Both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball dominated up front for the Lions.
Speaker 1: Phoebe and after this game, Like, are what is your
Speaker 1: biggest Like, what's the best part of the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 5: The best part, my goodness. I love the defense. For me,
Speaker 5: I love how much they have grown and developed. We've
Speaker 5: talked about it a bunch earlier. This tandem of safeties
Speaker 5: that they have going on, Brian Branch, the way that
Speaker 5: they stepped up Kirby Joseph, the way that they're able
Speaker 5: to play and read off each other and take chances
Speaker 5: because of that trust. I mean, they're being opportunistic and
Speaker 5: I think it's so exciting to watch because this is
Speaker 5: what they needed. We've asked for the secondary to be
Speaker 5: kind of bolstered. You bring in Terry and Arnold. I
Speaker 5: think they've done a great job of putting it together.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. We call it with Brian Brownsch at
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl this year, he and Aidenholmler were kind
Speaker 3: of doing some well, you know, this is what we
Speaker 3: do talk sports check out. But look, he was really
Speaker 3: down on his own rookie season that actually wasn't keen
Speaker 3: on his own performances, and we talked about how he
Speaker 3: grew into the year, but but realistically he thought he
Speaker 3: could do a lot more and I do love the
Speaker 3: back end, but we are talking about this game without
Speaker 3: talking about kind of one of the most significant moments,
Speaker 3: which is Aiden Hutchson goes out of the game. It's
Speaker 3: a broken leg. He goes immediately into surgery. He's going
Speaker 3: to end up staying in Dallas for a period of
Speaker 3: time and missing you would imagine the rest of the
Speaker 3: season and.
Speaker 11: As much okay is ever now, Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 11: to like my Hostina Bill Well, you didn't mention the
Speaker 11: catastrophic injury.
Speaker 1: That kind of put a cloud over this whole thing,
Speaker 1: like we were going to get to that. But we
Speaker 1: can talk about the win first a little bit.
Speaker 3: It's fine. It was a phenomenal performance and they go
Speaker 3: into Dallas and we're going to talk about what an
Speaker 3: absolute stink show the Dallas Cowboys are. But I just
Speaker 3: Phoebe brought up the defense and there's so much to
Speaker 3: love about it. But I do worry about upfront without aid. Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when we saw that in and they show
Speaker 1: those replays in slow motion and they didn't show it
Speaker 1: much on the broadcast, and yeah, it's horrifying. It's horrible,
Speaker 1: and the I don't even think it's worth speculating because
Speaker 1: you just don't know what these injuries, but it obviously
Speaker 1: looked like a clear fracture, and you just hope it's
Speaker 1: the type of injury that is as a lot less
Speaker 1: long term in terms of what he's going to be
Speaker 1: like when he comes back from the injury as possible,
Speaker 1: and that he can just fully recover. And there's no
Speaker 1: sense speculating on that. But we can't speculate on this
Speaker 1: defense moving forward. I think if the Lions had an issue,
Speaker 1: it might have been the lack of pass rush depth
Speaker 1: after him. That it's really just Selene McNeil and they
Speaker 1: have injuries. Marcus Davenport has been out. Derek Barnes should
Speaker 1: be back, who's a linebacker, but they certainly use him
Speaker 1: to rush. I mean he might be a starting edge
Speaker 1: player for this team. Now, Like, what is your concern,
Speaker 1: Allie about what this team looks like moving forward?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's obviously a major concern. You lose the best
Speaker 8: pass rusher in the NFL through the opening weeks the season.
Speaker 8: The only thing you would say, maybe I've said it,
Speaker 8: is they've been so good in the secondary, which I
Speaker 8: didn't expect it to coalesce that quickly. And hutch did
Speaker 8: his face a pretty rough slate of starting players in
Speaker 8: the NFL. Most have been rotational backup guys that he's
Speaker 8: gone to work on. And you can go and find
Speaker 8: Ed Rusher's on the trade block. You can call everyone
Speaker 8: up and say, hey, sarm Reddick, do you fancy doing
Speaker 8: six weeks for us? It is a thing you can
Speaker 8: find and maybe patch together, bringing in a vet off
Speaker 8: the street trading for someone and they will never give
Speaker 8: you what Aiden Hutchson does, where you can kind of
Speaker 8: scheme some things up and bring in a couple of
Speaker 8: veteran guys. If they were a mess on the back
Speaker 8: end and lost Hutchinson, it would obviously be a huge concern.
Speaker 8: But I think they've been so good on the back
Speaker 8: end that they might be able to find a way
Speaker 8: to piece it together.
Speaker 1: And immediately thinking teams out of the mix, like who
Speaker 1: would be available?
Speaker 4: Is that area Smith that could be one?
Speaker 3: I immediately saw a speculated trade list from a Lion's
Speaker 3: Beat writer that included Max Crosby, Okay, Trey Hendrickson, Like,
Speaker 3: those are teams out of them?
Speaker 4: I request the trade before the season.
Speaker 1: The Bengals would have to fall pretty far out of
Speaker 1: it for them to consider that. They also, I don't
Speaker 1: think have made a transaction in the months between September
Speaker 1: and January since like nineteen seventy five. They don't really
Speaker 1: get off their asset and do that. But there could
Speaker 1: there could be some players out there that is fair
Speaker 1: to point out. And yes, yeah, the secondary tearing on
Speaker 1: Arnold with some nice plays. This was an example I
Speaker 1: thought of what Mike McCarthy has been criticized for not
Speaker 1: creating easy passes even against a team that plays so
Speaker 1: much manned defense. There there wasn't a lot of separation
Speaker 1: and they weren't completing those throws Dak Prescott tonight.
Speaker 3: No connection issues resurfaced with Ceedee Lamb in this game
Speaker 3: that we've seen time and time again, continued attempts to
Speaker 3: force throws into tight windows which just weren't working. Terrible
Speaker 3: inception thing. It's five turnovers on the day in the end,
Speaker 3: and I just I know, when you're chasing a game,
Speaker 3: obviously you're going to have to try and make big
Speaker 3: plays to have to go after those big moments. But
Speaker 3: just every single time, the decision making from Dak Prescott,
Speaker 3: who I think pre snap is one of the best
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL. But that just the decision making
Speaker 3: once the ball is in his hands just wasn't there
Speaker 3: today at all.
Speaker 5: I think there's an element of that, but I still
Speaker 5: think there are a lot of issues with this offensive
Speaker 5: line and it's not necessarily giving him the time. He's
Speaker 5: having to throw into these tight windows. He's one of
Speaker 5: the top quarterbacks that has to do that in the league,
Speaker 5: and I think it doesn't help when you don't have
Speaker 5: a run game at all. I mean, you look at
Speaker 5: what Ezekiel Elliott was I say able to do. I
Speaker 5: mean he had eight carries today an average of two
Speaker 5: point one. I mean, you just can't survive like that.
Speaker 5: And if you have no run game, then the defense
Speaker 5: knows that you have to pass. Because they fell behind
Speaker 5: in points so quickly, I mean, there's naturally gonna be
Speaker 5: pressure and the Lions are able to do whatever they
Speaker 5: want essentially because you're constantly playing form behind the sticks.
Speaker 1: They were so desperate, you know, they had to go
Speaker 1: for a and there was that Branch interception early, which
Speaker 1: was a great play where I think he baited Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott in it. Branch made it look like he was
Speaker 1: gonna cover the defender in the flat and Dak fell
Speaker 1: for it. And that's amazing that Branch is pulling off
Speaker 1: plays like that, But you weren't thrilled with some of
Speaker 1: the routes CD ran. They also went for that fourth
Speaker 1: and two in their own and they had to at
Speaker 1: that point they're down I think it was fourteen or
Speaker 1: seventeen points. It's like early third quarter, and it's basically
Speaker 1: the game's over because we know we're not going to
Speaker 1: make any stops. We have to go for fourth downs
Speaker 1: in our own and and yeah, I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's been the best CD LAMB season so
Speaker 1: far either.
Speaker 5: No, And I get your caring frustration with you, but
Speaker 5: you're fourth and two. You know that you are the
Speaker 5: guy they've paid you to be that guy, and you
Speaker 5: do a slow, kind of heavy release off the line.
Speaker 5: You've got the defender sitting at the sticks the whole time.
Speaker 5: You don't even make him move or or you know,
Speaker 5: have that like explosiveness that we need from you, and
Speaker 5: then the ball gets thrown and nothing's carried in. I mean,
Speaker 5: and that happened multiple times throughout the day.
Speaker 1: Phoebe loves herself some football, so I like it when
Speaker 1: she kind of puts on her Ali Connolly.
Speaker 4: Hat a little more critical.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we spoke about this in the preview.
Speaker 8: Everything they do on offense just looks like hard work,
Speaker 8: every single part of it. And I love Dak probably
Speaker 8: more than anyone, but missus Prescott. I really believe he is.
Speaker 8: I've called him before. He's the closest thing we have
Speaker 8: to Peyton Manning pre snap as Will were seeing, he
Speaker 8: just loves to go out there to pick people apart,
Speaker 8: and he is a true football genius. But there comes
Speaker 8: a time when it's like we need some easy buttons.
Speaker 8: There's nothing in that offense that is easy. Even when
Speaker 8: they have they try and put different receivers out there,
Speaker 8: the commitment the effort is so poor. They have to
Speaker 8: pull explosive guys off the field to put not explosive
Speaker 8: guys on they think we'll actually try. It's a huge,
Speaker 8: huge problem. Everything about the offense, from designed to details,
Speaker 8: to effort and intensity, the talent and technique, it's all
Speaker 8: so lacking.
Speaker 3: And at a time when the league is all about simplifying, right,
Speaker 3: it's all about even just presenting quarterbacks with his read one,
Speaker 3: two three, we're not even gonna make you read the defense.
Speaker 3: We're going to make it so easy for you within
Speaker 3: the structure, and Dak Prescott's being told, no, you have
Speaker 3: to do literally everything.
Speaker 8: The most embarrassing part of the game is just watching
Speaker 8: the other side of the field and seeing all the creativity,
Speaker 8: all the movement, all the effortlessness. To the point where
Speaker 8: has there ever been a team play in their own
Speaker 8: building get hammered the way that they did. And this
Speaker 8: has happened now multiple times. It's four games in a
Speaker 8: row they've been hammered. And then you have a team
Speaker 8: the Lions, in the fourth quarter to say, our only
Speaker 8: job is to get one of our tackles a touchdown.
Speaker 8: That's all we care about.
Speaker 1: And you were on a Jerry Jones beat. It was indeed,
Speaker 1: please give me the report.
Speaker 3: This is Jerry jones eighty second birthday today, and this
Speaker 3: is coming off the back of the Cowboys allowing one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty seven points over their last four home games.
Speaker 3: So it's not a happy time in Jerry world right now.
Speaker 3: And he was asked afterwards about the potential for a
Speaker 3: head coaching change. I'm not going to do the accident
Speaker 3: because it would be horrible at any time of day,
Speaker 3: but particularly at half two in the morning or whatever
Speaker 3: it is. Jones said, I haven't even considered that. I'm
Speaker 3: not considering that, so we're clear. And when he was
Speaker 3: told he had made it in season change before, he
Speaker 3: bristled and responded, do you think I'm an idiot? I'm
Speaker 3: not so, Jerry Jones in fine Jerry Jones form afterwards,
Speaker 3: going and addressing the media, and this is their worst
Speaker 3: defeat in the Jerry Jones era at home. The last
Speaker 3: time they lost, the last time they lost by this
Speaker 3: many points was the year before Jerry Jones bought the team,
Speaker 3: So right now he could be understood if he's having
Speaker 3: some pretty tough conversations with Mike McCarthy and the rest
Speaker 3: of that coaching staff.
Speaker 1: The positive spin is, for as many issues as they've had,
Speaker 1: they've sort of managed the season well enough that they're
Speaker 1: three and three at this point. They got that win
Speaker 1: in New York, which is a division whin, they got
Speaker 1: that fourth down pickup against the Stealers, just that at
Speaker 1: least there's hope if you're Jerry Jones, the eternal optimist.
Speaker 1: At three and three, the bigger issue is if they
Speaker 1: lose to the teams that are their biggest rivals, or
Speaker 1: were at least in the NFC. You're going to San Francisco,
Speaker 1: then you're in in Atlanta for Philly and washing Houston
Speaker 1: and at Washington. It is a tough slate coming up.
Speaker 1: So everyone's gonna be on Mike McCarthy watch. We get it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I don't think going into a bye week as well.
Speaker 3: This is the bye week with San Francisco.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Wins, those wins, Those wins saved him his job. I
Speaker 1: believe for sure he's gonna give him a chance against
Speaker 1: those rival teams and for Michael Parsons to come back.
Speaker 4: But they're in a very difficult situation. Before we move
Speaker 4: on from this.
Speaker 1: Game, at least we should just give it a little
Speaker 1: love to like the line, this is the game we're
Speaker 1: gonna probably gonna send the most time, we watched it
Speaker 1: very closer. I mean, Montgomery going twelve for eighty, Jumior
Speaker 1: gives twelve for sixty three. They're just leaning on Deffinitly,
Speaker 1: it was like Ben Johnson was just cycling through the team. Oh,
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten a mon Ross Saint Brown a touchdown
Speaker 1: late in this game. Let let's get it to him.
Speaker 1: And then Saint Brown for some reason just sprints to
Speaker 1: the bench and starts screaming into the air. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he was so worked up about, but I
Speaker 1: loved him. Oh, let's get the deep shot to Jamison
Speaker 1: Williams after he has a drop early. Let's have Tim
Speaker 1: Patrick make it insane. One Hen did catch early where
Speaker 1: he comes back for the balls. Ciam Laporta, who has
Speaker 1: been quiet our season, only has one catch, but it
Speaker 1: goes for fifty two yards out of beautiful thrist and
Speaker 1: it's like everything is just beautiful right now in Ben
Speaker 1: Jonson then, like they just feel like they're in the
Speaker 1: fourth year of their tenure, and it's like, if you
Speaker 1: could write a book out of how to rebuild an organization,
Speaker 1: this is it.
Speaker 3: Almost everything is beautiful, and Ben, You're right. So the
Speaker 3: only thing that he was so desperate to get alignment
Speaker 3: a touchdown after what happened against the Cowboys last season,
Speaker 3: and he tried it four separate times, and each time
Speaker 3: they got called for a penalty or something went wrong
Speaker 3: on the play, to the point at which he was
Speaker 3: just stood on the sideline looking bewildered after another one
Speaker 3: got called back. I felt bad Ben Jonson was clearly
Speaker 3: looking to do something, and this is a league where
Speaker 3: you're not meant to run at the score and you're
Speaker 3: not meant to embarrass other teams. You felt like this
Speaker 3: was a bit of an emotional win for the Lions
Speaker 3: after last year, and I feel like Ben Jones was
Speaker 3: just a little bit disappointed to not get the hands
Speaker 3: all in the hands of a big man.
Speaker 4: Love that they kept going for that.
Speaker 1: If that's the topic on the Dumb Debate shows on
Speaker 1: Monday morning, I'll be so annoyed. But I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to point out, actually there was something bad
Speaker 1: that happened for the team. It was the catastrophic injury
Speaker 1: to the heartbeat of the team. That's like the number
Speaker 1: two overall pick in the draft.
Speaker 3: Watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot to before we go.
Speaker 1: I do want to just get your guys thoughts on
Speaker 1: Tom Brady after six weeks, because this was the most
Speaker 1: locked in I was to a Tom Brady performance.
Speaker 8: I've been on Tom Brady beat Watch. Essentially most important
Speaker 8: player in the history of the game modern wise steps
Speaker 8: into a booth gets paid, Yes, how much money by
Speaker 8: Uncle Rupert to come on cold games. The first week
Speaker 8: was horrifying, boldline, embarrassing. He got really, really good, really quick.
Speaker 8: No one noticed. Now the voice is a concern. Certainly
Speaker 8: the voice is slightly grating, but he is that.
Speaker 1: Can be overcome just charm and one liners.
Speaker 8: It's fine, he's really settled into them. I'm allowing him
Speaker 8: to nerd out over football. When he's nerding out of
Speaker 8: a football he is as good as it gets with
Speaker 8: anyone in communicating when they force him to do football cliche,
Speaker 8: let's talk guy. He's brutal. You can see he's playing
Speaker 8: a character he's watched on TV. So we get these
Speaker 8: like four or five snapshots a game of Tom Brady
Speaker 8: being Tom Brady, which is, let me just be a
Speaker 8: football dog, and he's really good at it. The more
Speaker 8: they can do that, the more they can maximize that.
Speaker 8: The moys is best.
Speaker 5: But surely there's an element that he is still growing
Speaker 5: into this role. Just I get it. They've played him
Speaker 5: a lot of money. Everyone thinks he should be wonderful,
Speaker 5: but it doesn't happen like that. I mean, all of
Speaker 5: us have been in that situation where you're building chemistry
Speaker 5: with the person next to you you're trying to figure
Speaker 5: out so you don't have these awkward pauses. I think
Speaker 5: he's trying to figure out who is he as a broadcaster,
Speaker 5: because that can't exactly be the same guy when he
Speaker 5: was on the field, and that's all he's known for
Speaker 5: so long. So I think he's going to keep getting better.
Speaker 5: Like you said, he's very coachable, right, I mean that's
Speaker 5: why he's been so successful. So he's going to be
Speaker 5: self scouting. He's going to be doing all this work
Speaker 5: on him his own to make himself.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're doing it right now on our first
Speaker 1: try as a fourth and it's not taking us.
Speaker 8: A while in the world now, I'm buying all the stock.
Speaker 8: I think he's gonna be a super stuff. Someone who
Speaker 8: is that homicidely competitive is going to go home every night.
Speaker 8: He's going to fix the voice, he's going to watch
Speaker 8: the tape. He's going to make himself be the best.
Speaker 8: You got Romo hitting the links, you know, five days
Speaker 8: a week, Brady is going to be in the booth
Speaker 8: at home practicing. U. Okay, He's gonna be great. So
Speaker 8: today was the day that convinced me that I anger, right.
Speaker 8: I think there are certain things I'll like other guys
Speaker 8: more for or less. He's still got a ways overall
Speaker 8: to catch up with, like a Greg Olsen to me.
Speaker 8: But today I was like, oh, he is going to
Speaker 8: be really good at this.
Speaker 1: And I think part of it was that he enjoyed
Speaker 1: today watching championship level offense. He was like, finally someone
Speaker 1: who meets my standards, Like I can accept these guys.
Speaker 1: These guys are worthy of me watching them, I am
Speaker 1: enjoying great football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, after he'd have to sit and watch the Cowboys
Speaker 3: from the first five weeks of the season, he was
Speaker 3: excited to see a team who legitimately have a Super
Speaker 3: Bowl possibility. Look, I think for me and I'm with
Speaker 3: Ollie when he gets nerdy, I love it. But we
Speaker 3: are a room of four nerds, so like, of course
Speaker 3: we're going to love that. I'd like just a little
Speaker 3: bit more kind of honesty slash reflection on his own career.
Speaker 3: There was a brilliant moment in week two when Jalen
Speaker 3: Brooks lost his footing on what was a wide open
Speaker 3: throw and ended up not catching the ball, and Kevin
Speaker 3: Burkhart turned to him when was like, Tom, would you
Speaker 3: go back to him immediately on the next play, and
Speaker 3: these stock answer is yet, you go back to your guy.
Speaker 3: You have to trust them, you have to prove that
Speaker 3: you trust me. You have to build up their confidence.
Speaker 3: And Bradi just went, no, that guy's not seeing the ball.
Speaker 3: The rest of the game, just was honest about it.
Speaker 3: I'm not throwing to him again for the rest of
Speaker 3: the set.
Speaker 8: Welcome to Bethel Dance in his career And the best
Speaker 8: example of that was the Baker Mayfield one, because they
Speaker 8: had a pre set ready to go. They did it
Speaker 8: in the meeting and they had the graphic ready to life.
Speaker 8: We're gonna throw to tom what you're gonna say, and
Speaker 8: they figured it out, we'll go to camera, it's Kevin
Speaker 8: and it's Tommy and Cameron will do that. But before
Speaker 8: they could get to it, they mentioned it on air.
Speaker 8: He let out how he really felt, which was passive,
Speaker 8: aggressive and pissed off and annoyed. The Baker Mayfield said
Speaker 8: that and then was anadyne when they actually threw it
Speaker 8: to the part they'd pre planned. So if he can
Speaker 8: just let slip out more how he really feels, I
Speaker 8: don't know if you can do it. When you become
Speaker 8: a team owner. Maybe he's just gonna be watching and
Speaker 8: seeing Ben Jonson. I'll hire him for the Raiders. Maybe
Speaker 8: that's what he was thinking in the third quarter. But
Speaker 8: that real guy who's in there, who is part dork, partner,
Speaker 8: part business guy, I think if he can just let
Speaker 8: it come out more often, he's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: You forgot like the seventy percent like pathological killer, which
Speaker 1: I like when that comes out to. So, yes, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna do a like a five minute Brady recap
Speaker 1: every week, but maybe every six weeks we'll just check
Speaker 1: in out him. All right, let's take at one quick break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back. I'm gonna talk a little Saints Bucks. Yes,
Speaker 1: the agenda, how did it too?
Speaker 2: Or second down five promotion Godwin play action fake Bayfield,
Speaker 2: looks downfield, throws up to caught ball on the left side.
Speaker 3: Put across the fifty to the forty five is Godwin.
Speaker 3: He breaks another.
Speaker 2: Tackle, Godwaight down the sideline upside of the numbers to the ten, five,
Speaker 2: three two one touchdowns.
Speaker 3: T have a bay Chris.
Speaker 2: Godwin fought through a tackle, King, got his balance and
Speaker 2: scoots fifty five yards to the promised lamp.
Speaker 1: If it's Sunday, you know it's Dean Deckerhoff on w
Speaker 1: f US. Another victory for the Go Go Buccaneers offense.
Speaker 1: They put a fifty burger on Dennis Allen in the Superdome.
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin showing up week after week ends up with
Speaker 1: eleven catches, one hundred and twenty five yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: We went into this game, Will thinking Spencer Rattler, and
Speaker 1: I left this game thinking, Dennis Allen and this defense
Speaker 1: that they've been building for so long is no match
Speaker 1: for one of the best offenses in the league, the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 3: Yea, I think your buddies at the Saints block party
Speaker 3: aren't gonna be happy for what they saw from the
Speaker 3: Saints defense today because Tampa.
Speaker 4: Bakolu joining me on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off, sorry, Will, but Thursday night
Speaker 1: could be a funeral for Dennis Allen with Sean Payton
Speaker 1: coming into the building. So I am looking forward to
Speaker 1: that post game with them on NFL Daily no matter
Speaker 1: what happens. For their sake, I hope the Saints win,
Speaker 1: but if they don't, it'll be probably a better show.
Speaker 3: Look, this was a super fun game. Fifty one twenty
Speaker 3: seven is slightly slightly harsh, I would say on Spencer
Speaker 3: Ratler and then Orleans Saints twenty fourth coarter points for
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay put a late kind of hurting on them,
Speaker 3: but five hundred and ninety four yards of total offense,
Speaker 3: and Baker Mayfield had the most Baker Mayfield of days
Speaker 3: today opening drive five to five fifty eight yards, brilliant
Speaker 3: touchdown strike. I was like, this is the Baker that
Speaker 3: has come out in last year or so, had really
Speaker 3: shown out. In the end, four touchdowns, three interceptions for
Speaker 3: his three hundred and twenty five yards. I would say
Speaker 3: only one of them was truly on him, was a
Speaker 3: truly bad throw, but otherwise a really good all round
Speaker 3: performance from Baker Mayfield. But it was the rushing. It
Speaker 3: was the performance on the ground. It was John Tucker
Speaker 3: coming out and having fourteen carries for one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty six yards and a touchdown. It was a total
Speaker 3: rushink stats number of what they had three hundred and
Speaker 3: seventeen in the end, two hundred and seventy seven yards
Speaker 3: on the ground. Astonishing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and they've really struggled to run the ball for
Speaker 8: much of the year. This is the first game last
Speaker 8: week they started to get it going a little bit.
Speaker 8: This one was where they were pairing the efficiency with
Speaker 8: the explosiveness. I think they ended up with ten explosive
Speaker 8: runs over the course of the game. I think they
Speaker 8: had ones of thirty one, thirty twenty nine big gashing
Speaker 8: runs and Dennis Allen, if nothing else, will be furious
Speaker 8: that that team was pushed off the ball like that.
Speaker 8: Even the way they played defense, bunch of defensive backs,
Speaker 8: tons of dime. It is built structurally that we at
Speaker 8: least stop the run, then we kind of get funky
Speaker 8: on the back and then try and force turnovers. They
Speaker 8: got the turnovers, but they couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 4: I know I'm paying attention more to the Saints than
Speaker 4: most teams.
Speaker 1: When while Brian Brant was having that game, I was
Speaker 1: thinking the Saints drafted Isaiah Faski over Brian Brandt at
Speaker 1: a moment where they really could have used that position.
Speaker 5: Oh hugely.
Speaker 4: I mean it was.
Speaker 5: It was definitely a situation where they need to be
Speaker 5: stacking their defense a little bit more. But even just
Speaker 5: looking at the game overall, I mean, just going to
Speaker 5: the Saints for a second, the fact that they scored
Speaker 5: twenty seven points in the second quarter, and that was
Speaker 5: all that they scored in the second quarter. That Tampa
Speaker 5: Bay let that happen. But then they said, no, we've
Speaker 5: had enough of this. This is not going to carry
Speaker 5: on anymore.
Speaker 3: That was really what was noticeable from Spencer Ratler's day.
Speaker 3: And it was a tough day in terms of chrys
Speaker 3: Olav goes out with with a concussion on that fantastic
Speaker 3: defensive play. The fumble was returned for the touchdown, but
Speaker 3: in the first half, ten of thirteen one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty seven yards had the touchdown as well across the Saints'
Speaker 3: first six strives. And then it felt like at the
Speaker 3: half Todd Bowls went sorry, why are.
Speaker 4: We getting his spy?
Speaker 3: Like, why are we making a fifth round rookie do
Speaker 3: this to us? Dialed up a ton of interesting pressures
Speaker 3: forced him into going eleven of twenty three with two
Speaker 3: interceptions in the second half. And ye, he was doing
Speaker 3: it while they were taking a Rasija heat away down
Speaker 3: the field while he had no Chris Lava. You know
Speaker 3: that the guy who was seeming to see most of
Speaker 3: his looks was the fellow fifth round rookie Bub means
Speaker 3: what a name that is. By the way, five catches,
Speaker 3: forty five yards and a touchdown for him. Overall, I
Speaker 3: thought for a first game for a fifth round rookie Spence,
Speaker 3: the rattler did enough for me to say, Okay, this
Speaker 3: guy could be something in the NFL.
Speaker 8: Yeah, certainly, maybe one of these long term career backup
Speaker 8: swing start guys comes into a spot and you get
Speaker 8: a three week run where you're all really excited about
Speaker 8: its rattler ball season. You can move around and create.
Speaker 8: This is why I will always go down with Todd.
Speaker 8: He has never met an answer to a question that
Speaker 8: has not just let me blitz more. And it was
Speaker 8: very clear that you could see just seeping through the
Speaker 8: screen was Ball saying, I am gonna light this young
Speaker 8: guy up. It's annoying me right now. And they sent
Speaker 8: plenty of heat in the first half too, but he
Speaker 8: just decided it's over. I'm sending everything. And it was
Speaker 8: pretty clear too that Ratler was told stop taking off early,
Speaker 8: see it, read it, look it, throw it. And he
Speaker 8: was actually playing efficiently as you mentioned will early on
Speaker 8: and had a few decent scrambles as well, and so
Speaker 8: he's sitting in not wanting to move, and balls is
Speaker 8: sending all kinds of heat, and you pair the two together,
Speaker 8: suddenly you get a bunch of negative plays. But I
Speaker 8: thought it was, as you said, for a first outing
Speaker 8: against a really tough defensive look, I thought he was impressive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need to support him more.
Speaker 1: It was fourteen nothing and all he had done was
Speaker 1: throw a completion into a lava where it was a
Speaker 1: fumber return and that was just bad luck. But your
Speaker 1: defense is not expecting to give up a touchdown on
Speaker 1: the first drive. Your defense, which is what the whole
Speaker 1: Saland thing is really about, like, Hey, I can't hire
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. We're going to figure out how to
Speaker 1: have an offense that's just good enough. We're going to
Speaker 1: play this defense that there's so much continuity in terms
Speaker 1: of the scheme goes back practically a decade at this
Speaker 1: point with Alan and the players that we're going to
Speaker 1: keep ourselves in games. We're going to try to run
Speaker 1: the football with Alvin Kamara that certainly dried up over
Speaker 1: the last handful of weeks, and we're going to be
Speaker 1: a top five defense. So if a division opponent comes
Speaker 1: into your building, this is one of the lowest moments
Speaker 1: of the Dennis Allen era.
Speaker 4: It just blows my.
Speaker 1: Mind that I did a podcast talking about how great
Speaker 1: the Saints were and maybe some Super Bowl hype in
Speaker 1: New Orleans and stuff, and that was just a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and now they're on a long losing streak
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton coming into town and they just gave
Speaker 1: up fifty points for the first time since the Giants
Speaker 1: and Eli Mannon came in.
Speaker 4: I remember this game well. It was a Sunday night
Speaker 4: football in October.
Speaker 1: Now, if I get this wrong, Everyone's like, actually, you
Speaker 1: didn't remember well, But I'm pretty sure it was a
Speaker 1: Sunday night football in October, and I was in Stamford, Connecticut,
Speaker 1: just waiting for that game to end so I can
Speaker 1: take a car back to the city at like one
Speaker 1: in the morning. It reminded me of tonight with that
Speaker 1: Lions Cowboys game. Phoebe and we were just like, let's
Speaker 1: hurry this thing up with the reviews and everything. A
Speaker 1: big moment in the same season. It's a long way
Speaker 1: to go, but I do just want to give the
Speaker 1: Bucks credit because I just think this offense has been
Speaker 1: dockingly consistent and consistently good and now they're getting the
Speaker 1: running game involved. And Mike Evan said before the game
Speaker 1: that this game wasn't just about them, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was not lost on anyone with the devastation of
Speaker 1: the hurricane this week and they're spending the week in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, a city who it almost sounds like familiar
Speaker 1: to that it's only a football game, But it's also
Speaker 1: awesome they went out and won this game, and this
Speaker 1: team has a chance to do something pretty special, which
Speaker 1: is win a division again, like they could win at
Speaker 1: four straight times, which is crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's amazing to see what they've done with
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield over the years. I mean, he is someone
Speaker 5: that's really come into his own from when he left
Speaker 5: the Rams to coming out to Tampa Bay. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's got an incredible crew around him. Like you said,
Speaker 5: you get the run game going. That's such a big
Speaker 5: part of what they've needed so far. And to run
Speaker 5: all over a New Orleans Saints defense that with keeping
Speaker 5: them in the games early on as well. So I
Speaker 5: think that they have a lot to be proud of.
Speaker 5: And I think it's impressive that, you know, this team
Speaker 5: want to represent Florida, they want to represent Tampa Bay
Speaker 5: and be a beacon of hope essentially, and this is
Speaker 5: this is a pretty good way to feel. Fifty one
Speaker 5: to twenty seven is a nice ending to this game.
Speaker 3: I also want to give just a bit of a
Speaker 3: shout out to the defensive side of the ball in general.
Speaker 3: We talked about those blitz in the second half, but
Speaker 3: Kelijah Canci comes back, have some time out wrecked the
Speaker 3: middle of that offensive line throughout, and they've got so
Speaker 3: much kind of great talent on the back end of
Speaker 3: their deals, good young talent. But we mentioned the fumble player,
Speaker 3: the crystal Abby Tike Smith who made that play also
Speaker 3: had an absolute day from himself, and they just keep
Speaker 3: seeming to find these gems in the draft. When they
Speaker 3: went on that Super Bowl run, yes there was all
Speaker 3: the talk about it was Tom Brady and Gronk coming
Speaker 3: back and all that excitement on the other side of
Speaker 3: the ball, but it was the brilliant drafting they've done
Speaker 3: on the back end of the defense that I thought
Speaker 3: really won them that Super Bowl, and they just seem
Speaker 3: to keep doing it again. So the Bucks are kind
Speaker 3: of a team that we're probably not talking about enough
Speaker 3: as could have an impact come January.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I worry about the sustainability of them. Defensively. I
Speaker 8: don't think the pass rush is a true pass rush.
Speaker 8: I mean they're playing today, it's a rookie quarterback. They're
Speaker 8: on the third center the scenes. Who is in charge
Speaker 8: of figuring out who's going where, who's blocking who? What
Speaker 8: are we all doing? Do we even know all the
Speaker 8: words and the calls? We've had the three days to
Speaker 8: work together, and top Balls is sending six to seven
Speaker 8: guys every other play in the second half, so we'll
Speaker 8: ruin our fun.
Speaker 1: Sean Tucker had hundred and ninety two yards from squimmage.
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd had more Russian yards than anyone on the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Sterling's he's back.
Speaker 8: I tried to warn you the Liam Cohen was a
Speaker 8: major upgrade of a day of Canalis, and here he's
Speaker 8: rolling now. They play with such incredible tempo and that
Speaker 8: feel of when to go to things, all the end
Speaker 8: the rounds today, all the creativity they get guys wide open.
Speaker 8: Baker's playing really well, decisive, taking off and making up
Speaker 8: plays with his feet. He has become way more decisive
Speaker 8: with Cohen than of almost lush. You.
Speaker 4: I gotta say yeah.
Speaker 1: That gino ish contract they gave Baker was very similar,
Speaker 1: where it's like you're not quite a super franchise quarterback,
Speaker 1: but you're you're not a mid level guy. It's somewhere
Speaker 1: in between. I think it's aging pretty well so far.
Speaker 1: There is separation in the NFC South. There are the havelves.
Speaker 1: That's the Buccaneers. That's the Falcons, who will get to
Speaker 1: in a bit, and then there's the have nots. It's
Speaker 1: the Saints and the Panthers. Let's go to Green Bay
Speaker 1: where they were having a lot of fun.
Speaker 7: DoD's not a played the motion to the right side
Speaker 7: snammed the love under pressure.
Speaker 10: Love looks he's a down the right side, making it testable.
Speaker 10: Tip toes into the eight sout play six sat like
Speaker 10: desperations through.
Speaker 9: Charge love to his good buddy, throw me up stub
Speaker 9: to the Packers twenty yard touchdown pass re established control
Speaker 9: this game.
Speaker 1: It's thirty to thirteen, Wayne Laravie of w r n W.
Speaker 1: Good buddy he is. It almost felt like when they
Speaker 1: dialed up some big playser like, we gotta get Dobbs
Speaker 1: some touchdowns today. So he's happy with everyone and they
Speaker 1: give him big hugs after the touchdown. Jordan Love finally
Speaker 1: has a normal game, at least normal for him, which
Speaker 1: is throwing just bonkersly talented throws to his receivers. Jayden Reed,
Speaker 1: Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs all get it done. Four touchdown
Speaker 1: throws for Jordan Love thirty four to thirteen is the final,
Speaker 1: and maybe this Packer season is just kind of settling
Speaker 1: into where it should be.
Speaker 3: When they brought him back in Week four and throw
Speaker 3: him in against the Vikings and he still clearly didn't
Speaker 3: quite look right, and you knew that he was going
Speaker 3: up against that Brian Flores defense and all the exciting
Speaker 3: stuff that they do, Like there was some little little
Speaker 3: bit of kind of almost panic mode of okay, how
Speaker 3: has Lafleur managed to scheme up some really amazing performance
Speaker 3: out of elite Willis? And then Jordan Love comes back
Speaker 3: and looks that bad. This is the Jordan Love that
Speaker 3: we saw last year. He still will have those moments
Speaker 3: and Ollie or test for this, I'm sure where he'll
Speaker 3: make some boneheaded throws and just plays that you just
Speaker 3: do not expect a top tier quarterback to make. But
Speaker 3: I thought he was sensational today the Romeo Dobs touchdown,
Speaker 3: the one we just heard. Ben was one of the
Speaker 3: players of the day for me, both in what Love
Speaker 3: did but in the catch itself as well, And it
Speaker 3: was just fun to see them up and firing again
Speaker 3: in an NFC which at the moment, outside of the
Speaker 3: Vikings has looked like there's no one grabbing it by
Speaker 3: the scruff of the neck. This is a Packers team
Speaker 3: who actually finally might be figuring things out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this was the Love stripping away any of the
Speaker 8: ears of the last few weeks here. He has been
Speaker 8: throwing it to everyone all over the place, no matter
Speaker 8: what since he's returned, and this just kind of trimmed
Speaker 8: down some of the fight. He still had some of
Speaker 8: the most unbelievable throws of the day. The inbreak to
Speaker 8: Doubs that he hits it's between three players at once
Speaker 8: is a lifetime type throw, one of the all time
Speaker 8: throws you'll ever see that will be forgotten. What was incredible.
Speaker 8: He just the things that used to be really difficult
Speaker 8: for him when he first started picking up pressure attack
Speaker 8: in the middle of the field are now the things
Speaker 8: that are easy for him, and the things that were
Speaker 8: easy before He's just now mastered. I'm such a huge
Speaker 8: Jordan of fan. When you pair the efficiency, the instincts,
Speaker 8: the anticipation with some of the offscript creativity, that's when
Speaker 8: you start ratching up to like, Okay, how high is
Speaker 8: he going up? The peck can go to here? When
Speaker 8: he's at his best game, he's probably in the six
Speaker 8: to seven range already, and I think climbing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the great plays are so great that
Speaker 1: you forgive some of the downside. I think Packers fans
Speaker 1: had just been a little panicky and overreacting to the start.
Speaker 1: They were weirdly like unhappy about it situation where you
Speaker 1: were three and two and Malik Willison started a couple
Speaker 1: of those games.
Speaker 4: It's a long season. This is a young team, one
Speaker 4: of the youngest, maybe the youngest team in the league.
Speaker 4: It's them in the Rams, I believe. And look, it's
Speaker 4: an overmatched Cardinals defense at least talent wise. But both
Speaker 4: sides of the ball played well for the Packers, and
Speaker 4: they have to feel really good where they're at coming
Speaker 4: out of week six.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean look, and he was injured for
Speaker 5: those first couple of weeks as well. I mean, what
Speaker 5: Lafleur does, and the way that he schemes things up
Speaker 5: and the play calling that he has, he puts Jordan
Speaker 5: Love in a great position. I mean, he is a
Speaker 5: coach that's able to really understand the piece of the
Speaker 5: puzzle he has, and we saw that again Malik Willis
Speaker 5: earlier on. There's not many coaches we're seeing that nowadays
Speaker 5: that have answers to the test for his players. Jordan Love.
Speaker 5: I love that he sat, you know, for a while
Speaker 5: behind Aaron Rodgers. He's still learning. His actual rep experience
Speaker 5: is not as high as some of the other quarterbacks
Speaker 5: out there. So yeah, his line of success he's going up,
Speaker 5: but it's not going to be without its pitfalls. And
Speaker 5: you're kind of taking that as he's still developing as
Speaker 5: a young guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to take a time out here
Speaker 1: where we've reached three am. Phoebe was actually a totten
Speaker 1: about like nine am or something like that, doing early hits.
Speaker 1: I want to just do a little bit of a
Speaker 1: welfare check because as we were we were in our break,
Speaker 1: Will said that you eat more than any person he's
Speaker 1: ever met, and it just felt like you needed a
Speaker 1: little more energy. So we'll give you a break to
Speaker 1: eat that candy bar if.
Speaker 9: You can too.
Speaker 3: And for our American listeners who haven't ever watched any
Speaker 3: of the stuff that we put out and talks for
Speaker 3: I am a man who weighs well north of so
Speaker 3: I'm saying that you eat too much. He's really saying something.
Speaker 5: Oh baby, Hench, No, Look, I just I need to
Speaker 5: constantly be fed here. So I appreciate y'all letting me
Speaker 5: have a couple of bites in my candy bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you if you check out Phoebe's workout
Speaker 1: routine on Instagram, you understand how it all makes sense.
Speaker 1: Thirty four to thirteen. Does any reaction to this Cardinals
Speaker 1: team Ali who's up and down? Not really up and
Speaker 1: down on the defensive side of the ball. They seem
Speaker 1: like one of those teams that on defense they spin
Speaker 1: the wheel a little bit and sometimes it'll work.
Speaker 4: Usually it probably won't. But offensively a disappointing day, I would.
Speaker 8: Say, yeah, And particularly in the first quarter, they just
Speaker 8: couldn't get anything going to open the game, and it
Speaker 8: just felt they were playing from behind from the get go.
Speaker 8: I think it speaks just more to the packages disappointing.
Speaker 8: It was for the Cardinals. This is one of those
Speaker 8: take care of business. If you're a real contender and
Speaker 8: you know you're overmatched and you can you're just more
Speaker 8: talented the other team. This is a take care of business,
Speaker 8: win by two, three touchdown type game. When you watch
Speaker 8: the Cardinals play, particularly on defense, they're just not as
Speaker 8: athletic as everyone else in the NFL, and they're not
Speaker 8: as athletic, for certain as that package team, and you
Speaker 8: can just feel the talent imbalanced all throughout the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need their offense and Kyler Murray to be special.
Speaker 1: They need their running game to be way more consistent
Speaker 1: than it's been this year. A little bit of a
Speaker 1: disappointment to me, and they just weren't up for it
Speaker 1: today like they were in that visional matchup last week.
Speaker 4: We've waited long enough. Let's let's head to the game
Speaker 4: that we started with.
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Speaker 3: Mercedes Lewis and Colcomett on the right hand side the
Speaker 3: line on the left roma Tunday, they've got a fullback
Speaker 3: in in the form of an extralignment.
Speaker 12: They put the ball in there, Swift de Andre Swift
Speaker 12: into the end zone touchdown, Chicago Bears, a one yard
Speaker 12: punge for the former Detroit Lion now Chicago Bear.
Speaker 4: And that is the cherry on top of a very
Speaker 4: good Sunday for.
Speaker 3: Chicago in North London.
Speaker 4: Oh, put that on the Call of the Year list.
Speaker 4: It is Will Gavin of tx Sport Radio.
Speaker 1: You have the power to do that, Will Varney behind
Speaker 1: the glass right, you could put it on unless Eric
Speaker 1: Roberts editing it behind the scenes. Yes, that was Deandres
Speaker 1: Swift finding pay dirt in a thirty five to sixteen
Speaker 1: victory for the Bears. Came into this game wondering can
Speaker 1: the Bears continue to beat up offensively on under their
Speaker 1: overmatched defenses.
Speaker 4: They absolutely did it.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams ends up with four touchdowns on the day
Speaker 1: and he didn't even feel like he had to work
Speaker 1: that hard throughout.
Speaker 4: The game to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want to suggest a negative against the
Speaker 3: Jags immediately, but we knew going into this game, and
Speaker 3: we talked about this a lot with Ollie going into
Speaker 3: this weekend and on our call on talkSPORT today that
Speaker 3: they are a defensive play and a ridiculous amount of
Speaker 3: press man without having any talent in their back seven whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I actually thought the linebacker's played well today comparatively for
Speaker 3: a Jags defensive performance. I said, comparatively, Ollie, I see
Speaker 3: you shaking your head over there, But I just on
Speaker 3: that back end. You know, Andre Cisco had the pick today,
Speaker 3: but on that culomet touchdown, had two separate opportunities to
Speaker 3: tackle him and failed on it. Just was picked on
Speaker 3: all day long. Out side of that, and I thought
Speaker 3: that schematically, they again made it quite easy for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3: But this felt for me like the day where we
Speaker 3: really got to see the fun side of Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3: Four scrambles for fifty six yards. He made the right
Speaker 3: decisions in the right moments of when to tuck and
Speaker 3: run and when to pass the ball, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: just thought all round it was a not coming out performance,
Speaker 3: because the last three weeks have gradually got better and better,
Speaker 3: but this was his best all round game for me,
Speaker 3: and like getting to watch it live, it was a real,
Speaker 3: real joy.
Speaker 8: This was the first superstar performance, I think it's fair
Speaker 8: to say, and it's a payoff really for all the
Speaker 8: pain they went through in the early weeks, you know,
Speaker 8: Shane Waldron was getting just crushed by everyone gang. He's
Speaker 8: burning through this young rookie. They threw the motherload at him.
Speaker 8: With the expectation by the time we reached this week
Speaker 8: we gate, week ten, week twelve, we could start blending
Speaker 8: everything together, which is we have this really expansive, cool,
Speaker 8: cohesive offense that Caleb is running the show at the
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage all throughout the game. He's checking everything
Speaker 8: the whole time, and then when needed he can take
Speaker 8: off and create. And it was for him to figure
Speaker 8: out on what plays can I do my Caleb Williams things,
Speaker 8: and on what plays am I playing within the rhythm
Speaker 8: of the offense. In the last two weeks when they
Speaker 8: came alive, he was just purely strictly I play in
Speaker 8: this stroke, ture, I do my thing. They face a
Speaker 8: Jags defense that plays a bunch of press bank covers,
Speaker 8: like will said, does nothing to disguise, create, blitz, do
Speaker 8: anything up from or on the back end. So it
Speaker 8: was time for him to say, if it's not that,
Speaker 8: I can take off and play. And it was just
Speaker 8: finally seeing the first glimpse I felt of the USC
Speaker 8: style Williams in the league.
Speaker 4: And look, you still see some plays.
Speaker 1: There was a scramble to his left in the red
Speaker 1: zone where or no coming towards us in the deep
Speaker 1: bread zone where he couldn't outrun the defender where he finds.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, it's not as easy to outrun people in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Even on one of his long runs towards
Speaker 1: the end, towards our end, where he has a chance
Speaker 1: to maybe make someone miss, and you can almost see
Speaker 1: him thinking like what juke am I gonna do? And
Speaker 1: he just sort of jukes back and forth and he
Speaker 1: gets tackled. But that's I mean after a twenty yard run.
Speaker 1: I've been really impressed. And I know Kurt Warner was
Speaker 1: on the NFL Network broadcast and he's a hard greater
Speaker 1: when it comes to real quarterback and stuff that he
Speaker 1: seems so comfortable in this Waldron offense. And your guy
Speaker 1: does deserve a lot of credit calling up good plays,
Speaker 1: I think, making it for easy for him sometimes. But
Speaker 1: also Caleb is making the right throws, throwing back shoulder,
Speaker 1: looking off defenders, getting to his second read. All the
Speaker 1: things that really weren't emphasized when he was a prospect
Speaker 1: are the things I think he's excelling at the earliest
Speaker 1: as a pro.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's been great to see because he has
Speaker 5: been stacking these bricks week in and week out, and
Speaker 5: he faced a lot of criticism and he's overcome all
Speaker 5: of that and he's just putting out great work right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, it helps you get DeAndre Swift, who's
Speaker 5: doing a great job with that rushing. The offensive line
Speaker 5: is doing much stronger. We'd seen previously really great glimpses
Speaker 5: of what Caleb Williams can be when he had an
Speaker 5: O line that could protect him. So now his accuracy,
Speaker 5: his decision making, all of that is really coming together.
Speaker 5: And he's got this great character of receivers, you know,
Speaker 5: amongst Roma Dunze with your Coolkmets, Keenan Allen's. These guys
Speaker 5: are all really doing a great job. Of course Dj Moore,
Speaker 5: so it's been great to see.
Speaker 1: Like they had a break at the end of the
Speaker 1: third quarter and I believe the score at that point
Speaker 1: was twenty one to ten, and you're thinking, this is
Speaker 1: where like, if the Jaguars have any chance to win,
Speaker 1: you're putting so much money in that defensive line and
Speaker 1: resources with Trayvon Walker as the one pick and Ark Armstead,
Speaker 1: you know, has a good game to start out in
Speaker 1: Josh Hayen's island, like go make a play and they're
Speaker 1: on the goal line and he doesn't allow them to
Speaker 1: make the play. He makes the absolutely perfect throw to
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, and being there, we were in that corner.
Speaker 1: It's such a basic observation being there live, but you
Speaker 1: just realize how perfect a play like that has to be,
Speaker 1: How there's so little margin for error for Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: to be even a quarter of a second off and
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen to make that throw, and that throw has
Speaker 1: to have the exact right velocity but also the right
Speaker 1: touch in the smallest window windows, and he just hits it,
Speaker 1: and you realize like, oh, well, great offense can just
Speaker 1: neutralize whatever the Jaguars wanted to do on this day,
Speaker 1: and that was the case. The Bears now officially have
Speaker 1: an offense that will punish bad defenses, which is a
Speaker 1: pretty major step, because I don't know if we can
Speaker 1: say that about any Chicago Bears offense that I've been
Speaker 1: alive for, maybe like a great month of Jay Cutler
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I I And the thing for me as well is
Speaker 3: that it wasn't completely perfect and there is still room
Speaker 3: for growth. You mentioned some of the scrambling. There was
Speaker 3: the one where he got his long scramble of the day,
Speaker 3: the twenty three yard of where he got to midfield
Speaker 3: and ended up sliding down on the sheld well. There
Speaker 3: still wasn't a guy within.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I mean with the instincts, so he's
Speaker 4: like in his own head a little bit.
Speaker 3: It felt like he could have gone another ten to
Speaker 3: fifteen yards there. And the inception I think when you
Speaker 3: watch that play back, DJ Moore is wide open two
Speaker 3: or three steps earlier in that throw, and that's something
Speaker 3: he's going to have to learn to trust his instincts,
Speaker 3: learn to trust the play a little bit on. But
Speaker 3: I think it's the fact that he throws that interception
Speaker 3: when the game is still tight at seven to three,
Speaker 3: and then gets the ball back and comes out and
Speaker 3: has probably his best drive of the game on the
Speaker 3: next drive to make it fourteen three and essentially wipe
Speaker 3: out any chance it felt like the Jags had of
Speaker 3: coming back. And it's that short term memory we always
Speaker 3: ask for quarterbacks to have on top of making the
Speaker 3: right decisions, on top of calling the plays and making
Speaker 3: the great throws, and yeah, just all round, really really impressed.
Speaker 8: I think the pig is an important point because there
Speaker 8: was a bad pig. Bad throw got out of the
Speaker 8: timing of the offense, took like two three extra beats,
Speaker 8: and he should have done as you mentioned, it's wide
Speaker 8: open by the time he liked to go. No on
Speaker 8: is a bad ball. He hangs it inside. He lost
Speaker 8: up for some strange reason. It was it never had
Speaker 8: a chance because he just didn't get out in time.
Speaker 8: And what he's done so well in the past couple
Speaker 8: of weeks is understand which throws our need timing and
Speaker 8: within the flow of the offense on which are the
Speaker 8: ones he can go and create on. And this to
Speaker 8: me was the most all around package game because we
Speaker 8: got to see, you know, the creativity and the good size.
Speaker 8: We got to see him play within rhythm with instruction.
Speaker 8: What I think he showed today that he's not shown
Speaker 8: a great deal of in the past is more general
Speaker 8: management of the game, not in terms of just you know,
Speaker 8: dealing with things at the line of scrips and getting
Speaker 8: the ball out to the right pieces. Not going big
Speaker 8: game hunting. They didn't really spark to begin with, and
Speaker 8: his default has always been to slip into bad habits
Speaker 8: and just chase the deep ball every single time. And
Speaker 8: this was the first game where he's just kind of
Speaker 8: committed and stayed to what the offense is asked of him,
Speaker 8: and then if he needs to do something, then he'll
Speaker 8: try and take off and do it. So this was
Speaker 8: like a true pro quarterback performance with some like magic
Speaker 8: doest sprinkled on top, and that to me, will be
Speaker 8: the most exciting part of this development.
Speaker 1: Love it, Love that recap, and I love that they
Speaker 1: took the buy after London. I always think it's a
Speaker 1: mistake take the buye after.
Speaker 4: You get the win. You sit on this.
Speaker 1: They're at a perfect point in the season. They're at
Speaker 1: four and two. They beat the teams they were supposed
Speaker 1: to beat. The schedule will get harder down the stretch,
Speaker 1: but everything is on schedule. The defense we just take
Speaker 1: for granted is going to be solid and iber Flus's
Speaker 1: mix things up a little bit more. If it was allowed,
Speaker 1: Kevin Bayard would be a good comeback Player of the
Speaker 1: Year candidate. But now I think you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: come back from just being bad, so like Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: that year where he went from the eighteenth best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league to the fifth, like that would not
Speaker 1: have counted. But they were rock solid, even like first
Speaker 1: drive of the game, you know, they give up a
Speaker 1: long drive and then they make the play to break
Speaker 1: up the touchdown in the end zone from Gabe Davis.
Speaker 1: Maybe Gabe Davis could have brought that in if he
Speaker 1: didn't double clutch it, but still Elijah Hicks didn't give
Speaker 1: up on the play. And in their defense, it's just
Speaker 1: a rock solid defense. And one thing I really appreciated
Speaker 1: being there was of all the London games I've gone to,
Speaker 1: and you can tell me if you disagree, this was
Speaker 1: the biggest home field advantage. Like it was a true
Speaker 1: BEARSS crowd, which was a cool place to be. I
Speaker 1: think just being there you could see it in the
Speaker 1: crowd of course, but it was more of the reactions
Speaker 1: that there were a couple of plays because we were
Speaker 1: doing sideline, Me and Olivia Harlan Decker, who was fantastic.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Occasionally we weren't turned towards the field for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: We had to look at the monitor, and you could
Speaker 1: hear the crowd go ah, and then the cheer and
Speaker 1: the oh was oh, Caleb Williams just threw that ball
Speaker 1: a little too high, but then the applause was oh
Speaker 1: Roshawn Johnson came down with it with a one handed
Speaker 1: catch and just everything the reactions to like a near
Speaker 1: face mask in the official reviews. Everything was just like
Speaker 1: a home game, which felt very cool for someone that
Speaker 1: I've gone to these games quite a bit and I
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty unique.
Speaker 3: You heard it from moment one when in the pregame
Speaker 3: warmups the Jags came out to wall up and got
Speaker 3: booed out.
Speaker 4: I know, you never hear it at this game. I've
Speaker 4: never heard booze at this game.
Speaker 3: And we were in the locker room afterwards we were
Speaker 3: asked about that and Jonathan Owens actually said like, did
Speaker 3: you hear them boo? I was like, yeah, but the
Speaker 3: biggest boo of the game did come for a Packers
Speaker 3: Sucks sign, which he didn't buy on. Unfortunately. I thought
Speaker 3: we might have some fun.
Speaker 1: There was also a lot of Packers sucks chance yeah,
Speaker 1: which is you gotta be careful of that. Ali you've
Speaker 1: lived in Boston, although you lived there after two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. But yeah, Yankee sucks after two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: It feels way different than how often it was before
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. And it feels like an inferiority
Speaker 1: complex when it's your chanting Packers sucks in London.
Speaker 4: Just just enjoy your team. That's sort of saying where
Speaker 4: the little brothers it is.
Speaker 8: But I think they recognize we got Caleb Williams. Okay,
Speaker 8: it may not be for too long. You know, we'll
Speaker 8: get another year in of this and then maybe just
Speaker 8: maybe we could be having division races for the next okay,
Speaker 8: ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 4: Okay, I love that.
Speaker 3: I thought the Pan's defense is the other thing that
Speaker 3: really highlighted from each there. You mentioned it, but you
Speaker 3: know they lost to Kwonbriska before this game. Tyrek Stevenson
Speaker 3: out of this game. Even Terrell Smith didn't travel, so
Speaker 3: they're missing their third corner as well. Kyler Gordon, who's
Speaker 3: you know, the big nickel corner who blitzes a huge amount,
Speaker 3: goes out of this game as well, and just the
Speaker 3: rotational guys that come in. Josh Blackwell had a big game.
Speaker 3: Jalen Jones had a big game. Elijah Hicks, who you mentioned,
Speaker 3: had a big game, and just like when those rotational
Speaker 3: guys can come in and have a big performance, I
Speaker 3: think that defense right now looks like a top five
Speaker 3: defense in the NFL, which you pair that with the
Speaker 3: quarterback that we're all very excited about. Maybe I'm overstating
Speaker 3: it on a performance against the bad Jags team, but
Speaker 3: I really impressed with that side of the ball as well.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned taking the buye after London. I like
Speaker 3: taking the buy after London. What I'm probably less keen
Speaker 3: on is teams who stay in London after a horrible
Speaker 3: loss like that, because what a rough week this is
Speaker 3: going to be for the Jacksonville Draguars.
Speaker 4: I mean it'd be rough in Jacksonville too.
Speaker 1: You're right, Doug Peterson might be how b to be
Speaker 1: here because I think there were questions about his job
Speaker 1: security before this game, whether he was gonna make this trip.
Speaker 1: They win last week, it's close, next week feels do
Speaker 1: or die. Just he sounded very tight in the postgame
Speaker 1: press coming. He sounded tight at halftime speaking with our
Speaker 1: NFL network. It just it's a tough situation just on field.
Speaker 1: Did you have any takeaways of like watching Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: and what this product is right now, because there's just
Speaker 1: like a not a lot they can hang on to.
Speaker 4: And Trevor Lawrence played okay in this game.
Speaker 1: Was kind of a typical Trevor Lawrence performance where you
Speaker 1: look up and you're like, he didn't play that poorly,
Speaker 1: but he just leaves you wanting in crucial situations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not always on him, right, we saw,
Speaker 5: you know, fumbles from Evan Ingram, Tank Bigsby. I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean that just puts even more pressure on running game.
Speaker 5: Really No, yeah, no running game as well. I mean
Speaker 5: we were all thinking they had a little bit of
Speaker 5: momentum from last week's When you're coming out to London
Speaker 5: where you're pretty much the home town here, you've got
Speaker 5: two weeks of being able to build off of what
Speaker 5: you've done. I mean last year they were really successful
Speaker 5: winning back to back games here. I just think that
Speaker 5: kind of since the beginning of this season that there's
Speaker 5: been issues in Jacksonville, and whether we're talking about when
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence was playing the Bills and he's rolling out
Speaker 5: from pressure that's not existing, or there's conversations from Doug
Speaker 5: Peterson around, Hey, I'm calling the right please. There's there's
Speaker 5: tension that's constantly building.
Speaker 3: There was a moment on the sideline right towards the
Speaker 3: end of the game where you had Trevor Lawrence, Christian Kirk,
Speaker 3: Evan Ingram all stood there silently, shoulders slump staring out
Speaker 3: onto the field. So after they sent Mac Jones into
Speaker 3: the game in place of Trevor Lawrence and I just won.
Speaker 4: For one, Trevor Lawrence is saying.
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is supposedly not a big rara guy, not
Speaker 3: a big kind of locker room leader in terms of
Speaker 3: making speeches and geeing people up. He's more of a
Speaker 3: do as I show, not as I say, kind of guy.
Speaker 3: And I look through that entire roster and I think, right,
Speaker 3: who this week is going to grab this team by
Speaker 3: the scruff of the neck and lift them up. Who
Speaker 3: they're like? We went through it on air, and I
Speaker 3: think maybe Eric Harmstead, who's just come in there and
Speaker 3: he was like four time waterpayon Man of the Year
Speaker 3: nominee in San Francisco, Like he's a good locker room guy.
Speaker 3: But actually, there's no big veteran leaders on either side
Speaker 3: of the ball there, And so I think Doug Bederson's
Speaker 3: got a real problem this week. Where you could get
Speaker 3: to Tuesday, you could get to Wednesday, and these units
Speaker 3: have all gone off into their separate meetings or complained
Speaker 3: about each other, complained about what the issues are, put
Speaker 3: blame on somebody else, and I think you could get
Speaker 3: quite toxic quite quickly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I think you're right. I mean, there
Speaker 5: is really no veteran leadership. And when a team is
Speaker 5: struggling like this, even if you're faking it so you
Speaker 5: make it, you need some you need some sort of
Speaker 5: help from within the amount of head coaches that I've
Speaker 5: known that have that player, that veteran player on the
Speaker 5: team that they kind of have those private words with
Speaker 5: to really kind of help share that message. I don't
Speaker 5: know who's talking to Doug Peterson, and I don't know
Speaker 5: who Doug Peterson's talking to you right now, because you're right,
Speaker 5: they all feel like they're all working in their own silos.
Speaker 4: They could also see some cornerbacks.
Speaker 8: That would help, and then you maybe change your system.
Speaker 8: If you don't have cornerbacks, maybe a staff meeting that
Speaker 8: could have been had. I'm with, will you know I
Speaker 8: don't buy into the ra ra stuff that much, but
Speaker 8: I was genuinely shocked watching them today. I've been doing
Speaker 8: so many games in high school college NFL. When you
Speaker 8: first start scouting, you get sent to really bad college
Speaker 8: games and they say, just watch the sideline, check the vibes.
Speaker 8: Put it in the report. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 8: seen anything that bad before. It was so flat, the
Speaker 8: vibes were so off. The number of clicks that were
Speaker 8: building throughout the game, which it would start with everyone
Speaker 8: together slowly becomes seven, slowly becomes four, slowly becomes sections
Speaker 8: of three. That just does not happen in pro football.
Speaker 8: It was really odd, and we'll mention the lack of leaders.
Speaker 8: There really isn't when you go through them, someone who's
Speaker 8: talented and has some like juice to them. Trevor's not
Speaker 8: like that. Peterson is not like that. Armsteads you mentioned.
Speaker 8: Is more of like a Nobel piece candidate type, lovely
Speaker 8: intelligent man than he is like somebody's gonna grab someone
Speaker 8: and say like, we've got to do well. Devin Lloyd
Speaker 8: is the only guy who profiles like that, and he
Speaker 8: has been shocking for most of the season, So you
Speaker 8: can't walk into a staff meeting and say everyone's gonna
Speaker 8: pick the game up. They'll throw the film on and say, yeah,
Speaker 8: you shouldn't be playing in the league. So I genuinely think,
Speaker 8: having watched them on the sideline today, it's a bigger mess,
Speaker 8: and actually thought it was just watching the tape.
Speaker 5: But surely that comes from the head coach ultimately, because
Speaker 5: I honestly thought the past couple of years, you bring
Speaker 5: Doug Petersontain in, he's, you know, this great coach. He's
Speaker 5: a quarterback himself, he's got all his experience is gonna share.
Speaker 5: But then I still go back to that press conference
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago where he's saying, well, I
Speaker 5: made the right decision. Well that's that's ultimately you.
Speaker 1: He said after this game we need to have like
Speaker 1: a culture change, and the culture change and everyone had
Speaker 1: the obvious reaction, which is like, you're it, bro exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, andre cisco I mentioned before, was also interviewed in
Speaker 3: the locker room afterwards after he'd said that, and he
Speaker 3: basically went in and went, yeah, everyone kind of took
Speaker 3: the second half off, basically accused all of his defensive
Speaker 3: teammates of just just giving.
Speaker 1: Up well, it's true. Being there, just there was no resistance.
Speaker 1: It was tough to watch. But I've seen it so
Speaker 1: many times. I've seen teams right before they fired their coach,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy how that happens so often. So no
Speaker 1: one's going to enjoy that. The London curse is real.
Speaker 1: We're gonna it might hit twice this year.
Speaker 8: We've we've never had a coach fired and they leave
Speaker 8: him in London as they continue to keep playing and
Speaker 8: go on and playing with you. Now, that would be
Speaker 8: and I know they wouldn't do that. I know that
Speaker 8: you wouldn't do that because you've ever done it before,
Speaker 8: you do it after. But that was a someone should
Speaker 8: get fired game. It was a someone should get fired performance.
Speaker 8: They change. He's not gonna let Press Taylor go. He's
Speaker 8: been banging his head against the drum with this thing
Speaker 8: now for so long. They're not gonna change Ryan Nielsen.
Speaker 8: The only one you could change is Doug Peterson. I
Speaker 8: get Logistically, it's pretty much impossible because they're over for
Speaker 8: over a week.
Speaker 3: Book.
Speaker 8: That was not a that was like an embarrassing time.
Speaker 4: Tony Khan coaches on Sunday.
Speaker 1: They kind of make it a crossover where it's connected
Speaker 1: to the wrestling.
Speaker 4: Like everyone wins.
Speaker 3: I think you do? You move the rest day from
Speaker 3: Monday to Tuesday, and Monday Shad Khan just hosts any
Speaker 3: head coach who isn't currently in a job. Mike Rabel's
Speaker 3: flying over as you speak. Bill Belichick flying over as
Speaker 3: we speak, all joining him on his multi billion pound
Speaker 3: yacht on the Thames, just to talk about that job.
Speaker 3: We're gonna see. It's gonna be all over the paparazzi tomorrow,
Speaker 3: don't you are.
Speaker 1: It is unfortunate. It does remind me Doug Peterson of
Speaker 1: the arc that he had with Philadelphia. Obviously it's lesser here,
Speaker 1: but it's still similar. They won that playoff game. There
Speaker 1: was a moment, but it just got a little stale.
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Speaker 3: Mixon in the backfield.
Speaker 4: CJ.
Speaker 3: Other setter.
Speaker 4: Stroud gives the Joe over left guard boxs to.
Speaker 2: The outside fifteen ten five to the pilot.
Speaker 4: He's got it. Touchdown.
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon checked back into the game and checks out
Speaker 2: of the end Zoon for six on a twenty yard
Speaker 2: TD run. Patriots fans headed for the exits have an
Speaker 2: hee day.
Speaker 3: Enjoy the shower.
Speaker 4: Oh, just sticking it. Mark VanderMeer k I lt he
Speaker 4: killed him.
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is a Scott Zolac level
Speaker 1: called by the Texans. They were enjoying themselves a forty
Speaker 1: burger in Foxborough, forty one to twenty one. We'll get
Speaker 1: to the Drake May of it all, but I'll try
Speaker 1: to pretend that that wasn't the most important thing in
Speaker 1: this game and recognize there was a five and one
Speaker 1: team in this game that had everything rolling on offense.
Speaker 1: This Patriots defense has quietly been among the league's worst
Speaker 1: this year, and C. J. Stroud, with Joe Mixon and
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce back in the lineup, really didn't see a
Speaker 1: lot of resistance from them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big, big rushing day for them on a day
Speaker 3: where we've had a few of those two hundred and
Speaker 3: thirteen yards on the ground. Mixing one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: nine of those seems to really kick start as a
Speaker 3: little just a five and one team. They're five and
Speaker 3: one team where the only game they've lost was that
Speaker 3: road game against Minnesota where that defense just really really
Speaker 3: picked them apart. I think other than that, they've been
Speaker 3: incredibly impressive and they've beaten some really good teams on
Speaker 3: that run as well. And overall today, as much as
Speaker 3: Mixon was absolutely huge for them on a day when
Speaker 3: Nico Collins was out, you have Tank Dell's step up
Speaker 3: and have his best game of the season. You mentioned
Speaker 3: Damian Pierce coming back into the lineup, he getting his touchdown,
Speaker 3: lovely run to the outside reaching for the pylon. I
Speaker 3: just this Texans team, Okay, again, a little bit like
Speaker 3: saying I don't want to overreact to a Bears team
Speaker 3: facing a bad Jags team. This Patriots side have lost
Speaker 3: to some pretty bad teams this year already, but getting
Speaker 3: really excited about watching the sexist team play.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no quarterback I like watching more than
Speaker 4: c Distrot right now.
Speaker 8: No, No, he's he is, I think in his own
Speaker 8: category with how he's actually playing at the moment. They operationally.
Speaker 8: Design wise, it's nothing that impressive. I think Bobby Slower
Speaker 8: got a lot of attention in credit because CJ. Stroud
Speaker 8: walked in the building was very special from day one,
Speaker 8: and their run game has been a mess for most
Speaker 8: of the time he's been there. This one of the
Speaker 8: first time we got to see it actually succeed. And
Speaker 8: it was interesting because he often looks really uncomfortable even
Speaker 8: though he's playing very smooth and bailing them out of trouble.
Speaker 8: This was a great time to see you look how
Speaker 8: easy in effilus it looks for them when they're playing
Speaker 8: a poor team and then the operation becomes easy for him.
Speaker 8: He can just pluster bad defenses when at least everything
Speaker 8: is okay or good off fine around him. And if
Speaker 8: they can find ways to develop and improve, if the
Speaker 8: line can get a bit better during the season, if
Speaker 8: the run game can hold up, then yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 8: be in the hunt in the AFC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's success rate actually wasn't even that high on
Speaker 1: the rushing place It wasn't terrible, but it was essentially
Speaker 1: they popped a couple big ones, but Stroud on Placey
Speaker 1: wasn't under pressure in this game.
Speaker 4: Was nearly perfect.
Speaker 1: He did have that one interception early, but they scored early,
Speaker 1: they scored often. It was you know, it was pretty
Speaker 1: much fourteen nothing before Drake May got to do almost anything.
Speaker 1: And that's it's nice if you're a Texans fan to
Speaker 1: see that they can cruise to a victory like that,
Speaker 1: because that wasn't the case a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: They barely won against the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: They've kind of been skating by and maybe not been
Speaker 1: quite as good as their record indicates because Stroud's been
Speaker 1: playing so well. Well, this was a game where they
Speaker 1: look like, Okay, this is the real deal contender, even
Speaker 1: though they're playing without Nico Collins.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean the run game week one, that was the
Speaker 5: Texas we thought we were going to get. Then you
Speaker 5: get some injuries and you know, so it's really great
Speaker 5: for today to be able to see Joe Mixon taking
Speaker 5: off one hundred and two yards, Damian Pierce, I mean,
Speaker 5: really mixing that in, and then Stefan Diggs is just
Speaker 5: continuing to grow and develop and become that number one receiver.
Speaker 5: It almost feels like their game against the Bills the
Speaker 5: other week has somehow brought them together and they're even
Speaker 5: better friends than they've ever been. But that's kind of
Speaker 5: Stephan Diggs's vibe. He wants to find he wants to
Speaker 5: be that number one receiver, go to guy for their quarterback.
Speaker 5: But Tank Dell continues to do some great stuff, you know,
Speaker 5: a really nice relationship with Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 13: So c J.
Speaker 5: Stroud, I think he's just an anomalye ultimately where his poise,
Speaker 5: his patience, and then his ability to throw with such
Speaker 5: an incredible arm strength is pretty spectacular to watch.
Speaker 1: Do you want to give me your Ali Connolly review
Speaker 1: of Drake May's first start? Just your first impressions before
Speaker 1: you really grind, you know, grind it all the tape.
Speaker 1: I know you're going to give the review on the
Speaker 1: sub stack, and I was happy to learn that some
Speaker 1: of our listeners signed up. So I go check out
Speaker 1: Ali Connolly's substack and you know, continue to make us
Speaker 1: look good for Ali Connolly for doing this work for us.
Speaker 8: I will say up front, this comes with a bias
Speaker 8: that I think Drake May has a chance to be really, really,
Speaker 8: really special. I had him very close to Caleb Williams
Speaker 8: coming out of the draft, and so I'm going through
Speaker 8: that prism slightly if I am looking for confirmation bias
Speaker 8: that there may be some secret sauce in there. That
Speaker 8: to me was everything you could expect from a rookie
Speaker 8: starting his first game with no offensive line. They get
Speaker 8: the left tackle injured on the first drive of the game,
Speaker 8: so they're rolling through guys no one's ever heard of
Speaker 8: up from their facing the probably, if not the best
Speaker 8: defensive front in the NFL least the one that gets
Speaker 8: the pressure at the highest rate. So for him to
Speaker 8: have only a couple of brain thoughts, if we can
Speaker 8: put it that way, to have the deep shot to
Speaker 8: Kashan Booty to make some plays of his legs, I
Speaker 8: thought he looked a little bit overrowed. The footwork stuff
Speaker 8: was a real problem. It's going to be that way
Speaker 8: for some time with him, and I just don't know
Speaker 8: how you can really critique him for it. When you're
Speaker 8: trying to time things up with an offense where there's
Speaker 8: no protection, there's no help. It's not a great offense
Speaker 8: in general, in terms of design, there's not great receiver help.
Speaker 8: So just seeing the traits translate the arms there, he
Speaker 8: can move, he can create. He's got good instincts when
Speaker 8: he bails from the pocket. The throw down the field
Speaker 8: to Booty was like a really high level timing, anticipation,
Speaker 8: placement throw. What more could you really hope for us?
Speaker 8: Like a flash of hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone that was so worked up about, oh, you
Speaker 1: can't have let am play football. The Texans have a
Speaker 1: high pressure rate. He has more touchdown passes on the
Speaker 1: season already than Jakobe Brissett. That that's nice on players
Speaker 1: that he wasn't pressured in this game, and there weren't
Speaker 1: that that many. He was pressured almost fifty percent of
Speaker 1: the time, which is huge number, but place he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He goes twelve for eighteen one sixty two three touchdowns
Speaker 1: and that interception. I believe that was the early one
Speaker 1: where he just might have been a little too hyped
Speaker 1: up in any sales a pass. But overall it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's see our rookie quarterback play. And it's crazy
Speaker 1: that that might be four games this year that they've
Speaker 1: lost an offensive lineman in the first quarter.
Speaker 4: It just like keeps happy.
Speaker 1: Like even as bad as their offensive lineman is, it
Speaker 1: even gets worse that they always have a first quarter
Speaker 1: injury to one of the key spots. So overall, it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: at least give the Patriots fans some reason to watch
Speaker 1: this drek.
Speaker 3: It's it's six different offensive lines in six games basically,
Speaker 3: and their starting sentence there was a guy they signed
Speaker 3: off the Raiders practice squad three days before this game.
Speaker 3: Like that is a level of not front office in
Speaker 3: competence because you can't help the injuries.
Speaker 4: It was incompetence how they went into the season. Now
Speaker 4: it's just bad luck on top.
Speaker 3: Of the Yeah, exactly. And we talked a little bit
Speaker 3: about short term memory earlier. I think to have that
Speaker 3: bad overthrow which led to the Kalen Bullock interception on
Speaker 3: the second drive after going three and out on the
Speaker 3: first drive, people feeling a little bit wobbly puts together
Speaker 3: the nice drive, hits it, hits Kalen Boody for that
Speaker 3: deep Kishon Booty for that deep shot, and suddenly a
Speaker 3: little bit of juice, a little bit of something in
Speaker 3: that offense and that you already mentioned Greg more touchdowns
Speaker 3: on the season already than Jacoby Russett. First time. They've
Speaker 3: passed the twenty point mark this season six games in
Speaker 3: as well, Like, Okay, it wasn't a great performance, but
Speaker 3: at least on the offense, there was something to get
Speaker 3: behind and enjoy, and Drake May was the driving force
Speaker 3: for that. Even with past protection issues and interceptions and
Speaker 3: everything that came with it.
Speaker 8: The bounce back stuff will never be a problem with Drignae.
Speaker 8: He is like Eli levels of unflappable. Yes, just ket
Speaker 8: balls all over the place. Whenever he thinks there's any
Speaker 8: kind of sign of trouble, that will never ever be concerned.
Speaker 8: The concern is is he just going to get in
Speaker 8: his own head and start ripping it way more than
Speaker 8: he should? I thought he played with more control than
Speaker 8: you could expect. You got pressured fift percent of the
Speaker 8: time against a really good defense to do an all
Speaker 8: kind of quirky things on the back end to change
Speaker 8: the picture and you don't know what's happening. That overthrow
Speaker 8: we had was Puel like, I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna throw it, and the bowl sales on
Speaker 8: him because his feet got lost. To not have ten, eleven,
Speaker 8: twelve of those in those circumstances is to me pretty
Speaker 8: impressed in a really good place to build from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ramandre Stevenson was out for this game of Antonio
Speaker 1: Gibson gets the start, has nineteen yards on thirteen carries.
Speaker 1: A man named Terrell Jennings was significantly involved in the
Speaker 1: running game. And you know who else was involved in
Speaker 1: this game. A man that Tom Curran, who has the
Speaker 1: best eye out there of any Patriots beat writer said
Speaker 1: was maybe the best receiver in all of training camp
Speaker 1: other than Pop Douglas, and that was Casean Bhute. And
Speaker 1: I love that you got him on the field with
Speaker 1: Drake Maye. I just I know we're not having a
Speaker 1: lot of extra calls today, but I do want to
Speaker 1: hear the first touchdown pass of Drake May's career.
Speaker 7: And now the Patriots havelet trom mc forty shots this
Speaker 7: Statt Bacul, he's in the pocket, he.
Speaker 10: Runs back if there's a long ball down the right.
Speaker 9: Sorry, this touchdown pass shun body on a perfect time from.
Speaker 4: Trick May He he beat Stingley down the right side.
Speaker 14: May dang, what a time for the first touchdown of
Speaker 14: his career as a Patriot.
Speaker 3: Just desperate for the injection of Zola at this time.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear how zolaks fine. I would say
Speaker 1: that was like a five out of ten. Zoe Lac.
Speaker 1: The fact they were down fourteen nothing at the time
Speaker 1: probably just like dimmed the level of sounding like he's
Speaker 1: on crack. But good to have Scott Zolac on the show.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We are going to be back
Speaker 1: and talk about a high scoring game in the NFC.
Speaker 7: Sound Cousins under center, McCloud emotion. Here's out here, straight
Speaker 7: ahead touchdown atlantaar just banging away at the north end zone.
Speaker 7: It's his first rushing store of the year.
Speaker 1: That was Tyler Algiers first rushing scorer of the year,
Speaker 1: as West Durham of w z d C says thirty
Speaker 1: eight to twenty. The Panthers hung around in this game
Speaker 1: for a while, the Falcons pulling away late as they
Speaker 1: do in their shootouts in this wild NFC South season,
Speaker 1: the Falcons are on a roll, and I thought phoebe
Speaker 1: in this in this late window, we might get a
Speaker 1: little bit of a shootout.
Speaker 4: We kind of needed a close game.
Speaker 1: We didn't get it, but we're getting a good divisional
Speaker 1: race now between the Falcons.
Speaker 4: And the Buccaneers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we had a version of a shootout between
Speaker 5: the Falcons and the Panthers in this situation as well.
Speaker 5: I was quite honestly shocked by the fact to hear
Speaker 5: that Bijon Robinson it was his first time scoring two
Speaker 5: touchdown rushing touchdowns in a game like that, considering how
Speaker 5: incredible he has been. Look, when you get the Falcons,
Speaker 5: you just don't know which version of Kirk Cousins you're
Speaker 5: gonna get. So you know, he wasn't perfect by any means,
Speaker 5: nineteen of thirty throughout the game, but he was finding ways.
Speaker 5: Again you get the run game going, you know, great
Speaker 5: to see Tyler lgier Be, John Robinson doing their thing
Speaker 5: and then spreading the ball around his kind of top
Speaker 5: guys essentially Drake London, Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 5: It was kind of just a regular Kirk Cousins game
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 4: In every year.
Speaker 1: Every week rather I go to the next Gen Stats
Speaker 1: box score to see the breakdown of like, okay, are
Speaker 1: they adding anything where Kirk Cousins moves, just like even
Speaker 1: a little is there any play action? And every week
Speaker 1: it's pretty disappointing for them, and yet they keep scoring.
Speaker 1: So today on play action three of seven for twenty
Speaker 1: nine yards, so it's still not happening, and yet they're
Speaker 1: one of the like highest producing passing games.
Speaker 8: In the league. Yeah, and even those play action things
Speaker 8: are quite junkie. A lot of it is flash fake stuff.
Speaker 8: It's not really turn the back true play action heavy
Speaker 8: cell because they don't trust him to move. And the
Speaker 8: Panthers got nowhere near Kirk Cousins today. They had four
Speaker 8: total pressures in the entire game, three game from one player,
Speaker 8: and they came in back to back to back plays.
Speaker 8: So for the most of the game he is untouched.
Speaker 8: You would really expect and hope you would see even
Speaker 8: more from them. I think in that situation, if Cousins's
Speaker 8: going to sit back there and play see it throw
Speaker 8: at football, you would expect that he'd be able to
Speaker 8: carve it up if there's no pressure there. But they
Speaker 8: get the wrong game going, and that's a huge thing.
Speaker 8: If they could not get movement from Cousins, they have
Speaker 8: to find movement somewhere from the wrong game, and they're
Speaker 8: now integrating new things into the offense in the wrong game,
Speaker 8: they're balancing it more between Algier and Robinson. So that
Speaker 8: would be the exciting thing to take out the game.
Speaker 3: The Panthers defense are not a viable NFL defense. Thirty
Speaker 3: four or more points in four out of six games
Speaker 3: this season. And actually we're talking about tradable pass rushers
Speaker 3: earlier in the show with the Lions. Jadavian Clowney another
Speaker 3: one who probably should be on that list and probably
Speaker 3: could be picked up for something mid round.
Speaker 4: But it needs to get healthy. But yes, that makes
Speaker 4: a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: It just felt like last week Kirk Cousins, what fifty
Speaker 3: eight passes and five hundred and nine yards in that
Speaker 3: overtime win over the Bucks. Today they just relied on
Speaker 3: the ground game, two hundred yards between their two leading rushers,
Speaker 3: three touchdowns between them as well. And it was one
Speaker 3: of those games which was a little bit like Buck
Speaker 3: Saints that was actually quite tight in the third quarter
Speaker 3: and you were surprised it was so if you were
Speaker 3: watching the game flow, and then the better team just
Speaker 3: pulled away later on. And you are establishing quite a
Speaker 3: strong division between those top two teams and the rest
Speaker 3: of the division.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this isn't a great week to measure it,
Speaker 1: but they keep trying to get this outside zone running
Speaker 1: game working, and that's going to be important for them
Speaker 1: to get better at or just stop doing it. Over
Speaker 1: the course of the season, and every week I look
Speaker 1: and see I look for one stat, is Tyler Aldia's
Speaker 1: success rate higher than Bijon Robinson's In every week?
Speaker 8: It is?
Speaker 1: And so then I have to stop myself from criticizing
Speaker 1: them for using Algier equally with Robinson, because he is
Speaker 1: an effective player and he is fitting what they do.
Speaker 1: But this was great that they both had a great game.
Speaker 1: They both had very high success rates. There wasn't much
Speaker 1: difference between him and they're using their weapons. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned that about the Panthers pass rush. If you were
Speaker 1: just like power ranking different units in the league, like
Speaker 1: every possible units run defense, pass rush, like safety play,
Speaker 1: the Panthers pass rush might be there with the worst
Speaker 1: unit of any unit in the entire NFL.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, we're picking between allful things. But I
Speaker 8: would encourage you to go through the Cordinal's death Shaw
Speaker 8: and you take the Cordinals are starting a team that,
Speaker 8: if you just go through name by name, is the
Speaker 8: second string on every of the team in the NFL
Speaker 8: outside of Okay.
Speaker 4: It's fair.
Speaker 1: It's a fair point. That's why that's why I like
Speaker 1: Ali to be here to check me. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: this past rush is rough. My other biggest takeaway from
Speaker 1: this game is Xavier legets you know, I've got big
Speaker 1: balls touchdown celebration or the horse riding.
Speaker 9: What what is it?
Speaker 4: And it's week after week. I love it? And did
Speaker 4: he do that in college?
Speaker 3: I'm in it was it was have to be better
Speaker 3: than the afternoon tea celebration that we saw in London
Speaker 3: today from the bear.
Speaker 1: Surely like it must be his thing because he's now
Speaker 1: he's now broken it out on multiple one of his
Speaker 1: touchdowns and it it looks like it was Nick van
Speaker 1: Exel right after he would hit the big three pointers
Speaker 1: and he would jump around and Xavier like it is
Speaker 1: either bringing that back or he's riding a horse.
Speaker 4: But I I think it's how.
Speaker 8: Well I love about Like, yeah, I think he's trying
Speaker 8: to throw people off. He's got the accent thing. He's
Speaker 8: doing this big balls thing. People start thinking this guy's
Speaker 8: not up too much. He plays really, really intelligently, and
Speaker 8: he's seamlessly slotted in and being a way bigger part
Speaker 8: of the offense. And I thought he would be just
Speaker 8: based on skill set in college. So I think he
Speaker 8: just throw defensive backs off with all this this ancillary.
Speaker 4: Good Jawn making a real point.
Speaker 3: Thank you. We'll not only going to tell you that
Speaker 3: Xavier gets riding a horse in his celebration, but I
Speaker 3: can tell you that he's riding his horse a dollar bill.
Speaker 3: Apparently he's dedicated the celebration to his horse.
Speaker 5: And we've got the outset he as a cowboy.
Speaker 4: I could have used Google and you've ruined my fantasy here.
Speaker 1: Well, let's go from one exciting NFC South game to
Speaker 1: an AFC South game.
Speaker 4: Colts, Hey, I had emotions.
Speaker 8: Josh Allens out of the right side, clack all five
Speaker 8: drop crowls office.
Speaker 10: Back foot into the end zone, going up and making.
Speaker 3: A bit on the balls. Michael pittm you got it?
Speaker 6: Hide why Pittman puts the Colts on top a ten
Speaker 6: yard pass Flacco to Pittman and the Colts lead nineteen
Speaker 6: to seventeen in Nashville.
Speaker 1: They can't keep letting him get away with it. Don't
Speaker 1: blackout it again. Twenty to seventeen.
Speaker 4: That was Matt Taylor on w f N I.
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, who was supposedly going to injured reserve earlier
Speaker 1: this week and then ends up playing in this game,
Speaker 1: not only plays but catches the game winning touchdown on a.
Speaker 4: Play where he landed on his injured back.
Speaker 1: A crazy Joe Flacco throw, very similar to the throw
Speaker 1: he made last week which started the comeback against who
Speaker 1: are they playing last week? It is absolutely late Jacksonville
Speaker 1: in this game. The Colts win this one though, a
Speaker 1: key division win for them. They're managing the season well like,
Speaker 1: not playing great, but they're three and three. They put
Speaker 1: the Titans in a world of her only one win
Speaker 1: on the season. Will Levis doesn't crack one hundred yards
Speaker 1: in this game, Ali like, I'm just happy Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: was still in our lives.
Speaker 8: I am happy to That was not a good throw though,
Speaker 8: right am I misremembering now? It's a terrible throw of
Speaker 8: Pittman grubs it between two guys.
Speaker 2: I go on it.
Speaker 3: Even it's a.
Speaker 4: Results space business, sally, it's still counts.
Speaker 3: Pickman did all of the work there. He's going to
Speaker 3: get the best corner in football last year and somehow
Speaker 3: to make it.
Speaker 1: It was third down and Joe Flacco has decided I
Speaker 1: am too old to do anything but just throw it up.
Speaker 3: It was third down in Flacco, That's what it was, and.
Speaker 8: He missed the one to Piers too. They had the
Speaker 8: big shot to pierce out another third down and just
Speaker 8: throw it up that. I cannot even imagine the toughness
Speaker 8: of Michael Pittman. I'd know what's going on with the
Speaker 8: back injury. Back injuries to scare me no matter what. Anyway,
Speaker 8: if it does a school teacher, football player, whatever it is,
Speaker 8: to say, you're going to go to ir, he says, no,
Speaker 8: let me give it a go for a week and
Speaker 8: we'll figure out afterwards. He gets to catch on collision
Speaker 8: with two guys for the game winning score. Then they
Speaker 8: go back to him to ice the game, and on
Speaker 8: both plays basically the design and or end product is
Speaker 8: you have to fall on your back. That's what this
Speaker 8: is going to do. And he comes up for it
Speaker 8: and must have it moments. They only go to him
Speaker 8: three times. He gets them all, just big time, big
Speaker 8: time plays.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's pretty amazing what drugs can do to
Speaker 5: make you feel whilst playing a game.
Speaker 4: I mean, but it's put the football player here, the choir.
Speaker 5: I got you, guys, don't worry about it's too late.
Speaker 5: I have no filter anymore. But look, I mean, Joe
Speaker 5: Flacco is just incredible. What he's still able to do.
Speaker 5: I loved a clip from last week where he has
Speaker 5: throwing the ball and he has just stood there amongst
Speaker 5: the mayhem. He kind of is just living on free
Speaker 5: money right now. He's able to just have a great
Speaker 5: time and you know he's he's enjoying himself. He gets
Speaker 5: to keep playing week in and week out.
Speaker 1: And this was a weird situation where Anthony Richardson did
Speaker 1: practice during the week. He was a game time decision.
Speaker 1: They said they wanted to be extra safe, so he
Speaker 1: was the third quarterback. I think part of that was
Speaker 1: probably a calculus of Flacco's a little more regular with
Speaker 1: the timing and I'm sure Richardson isn't one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But it's also not a franchise quarterback where, well, if
Speaker 1: he's at all able to play, he's going to play.
Speaker 1: You know what, Like if Dak Prescott had that level
Speaker 1: of injury, they would just play Dak Prescott. And that's fine.
Speaker 1: Like there can be gray area, doesn't mean that his
Speaker 1: job is at risk. I would like expect he plays
Speaker 1: next week. Who knows, but they're happy that Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: got them a win in the meantime on a day
Speaker 1: where look, they're starting running back when eighteen for twenty
Speaker 1: nine trace sermon, their defense carries the load, holds Will
Speaker 1: Levis under one hundred yards passing.
Speaker 3: This was it. They were fairy fortunate that on the
Speaker 3: other side of the ball, while Joe Flacco was statuesque
Speaker 3: as always, they had Will Levis, who with DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley, Tyler Boyd, Like there is no way, Like
Speaker 3: I almost feel like I could complete over one hundred
Speaker 3: yards of passing with that collection of receivers against an
Speaker 3: NFL defense. But Ridley caught zero of eight targets last night,
Speaker 3: And you just think to yourself, like, the Will Levis
Speaker 3: experiment feels like it's already done. I just don't know
Speaker 3: what the next answer is for them. They just seem
Speaker 3: to be floating through the rest of the season, Titans fans.
Speaker 3: And it's a rough point to be after six weeks.
Speaker 4: Too harsh like that it's done. One in four. This
Speaker 4: was a sneaky big game, not to the rest of
Speaker 4: the NFL, but to the Titans. This was a big game.
Speaker 1: This now it just feels like they're they're pretty buried there,
Speaker 1: and yes, they're not getting growth out of their quarterback.
Speaker 4: With a coach that was hired in part to develop
Speaker 4: this quarterback.
Speaker 8: I don't know if he has had to develop, and
Speaker 8: I think it was hard to figure out within six
Speaker 8: weeks is he a real guy or not? And I
Speaker 8: think they got their answer pretty quickly. It's not even
Speaker 8: if they had lost that that would be okay in
Speaker 8: terms of just Levis himself. When you watch him play
Speaker 8: and they're playing a defense that does absolutely nothing. They
Speaker 8: don't really have much of a pass rust. They have
Speaker 8: been cooked for four weeks. They do nothing on the
Speaker 8: back end to try and weird out quarterbacks. This would
Speaker 8: be the game where you say, okay, even if we
Speaker 8: get the two or three classic bone headed Will Levis plays,
Speaker 8: we should put up two hundred and fifty three hundred
Speaker 8: yards through the air. We can make some plays. We
Speaker 8: can still evaluate Levis. So that would be more concerning
Speaker 8: to me than even the record and even some of
Speaker 8: the unfortunate dom turnovers we've had this season. Because you
Speaker 8: just think the lake count happened forever. You would hope,
Speaker 8: but the fact you can't punish bad defense is gonna
Speaker 8: stay consistent.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest problem is that you would just
Speaker 5: hope to see development and learning, and it's you can
Speaker 5: see why they're getting frustrated when you're making similar, if
Speaker 5: not the same, exact mistakes week in and week out.
Speaker 5: And yes, there's an element where he still is a
Speaker 5: younger guy in the NFL terms, you know, only going
Speaker 5: in his second year. He didn't play obviously a full
Speaker 5: season last year. But you can't keep making the same mistakes.
Speaker 5: You've got to be able to show progress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will see your making the same mistakes, and
Speaker 1: I will raise you from Will Levis Adshaun Watson.
Speaker 4: Let's go to UH Eagles and the Browns.
Speaker 3: Hurts in the gun sloped to the foreside.
Speaker 13: Mark Legan was right on second down.
Speaker 8: He's back, he's looking, he is going deep down the fore.
Speaker 15: Side of the field, and it is caught. He the town.
Speaker 4: Well put on. It's just what a prow, what a cat.
Speaker 9: That's just fun.
Speaker 1: There is something absolutely beautiful about a Meryl Reese call
Speaker 1: on wip. But there's something even more beautiful, Will Gavin
Speaker 1: about a Dalen Hertz go ball to AJ Brown. You
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want about Dalen Hurts, like that
Speaker 1: man throws a perfect go ball and he has the
Speaker 1: perfect man to catch it.
Speaker 4: In AJ Brown.
Speaker 1: It's funny, how you know, you bring AJ Brown and
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith back and you're a little better on offense,
Speaker 1: at least enough better to win twenty to sixteen over.
Speaker 3: The Brown six four one hundred and sixteen AJ Brown today.
Speaker 3: But the touchdown, he had zero point three yards of
Speaker 3: separation for that one according to next Gen Stats. And
Speaker 3: you had that, and you had DeVonta Smith in as
Speaker 3: you mentioned, three catches sixty four and that fourth quarter
Speaker 3: touchdown as well, and suddenly the Eagles offense kind of
Speaker 3: starts to get rolling again. They still struggle to finish
Speaker 3: drives a little bit. This game, it felt like it's
Speaker 3: the Browns defense we've known, have their strengths, and therefore,
Speaker 3: restricting the Eagles to twenty points in a day where
Speaker 3: they are getting big games from their big receivers is
Speaker 3: relatively impressive. And actually Deshaun Watson didn't have a terrible game.
Speaker 3: Dare I say, probably his best performance for the Browns
Speaker 3: this season. So this wasn't much much tighter game than
Speaker 3: I was expecting. Came away with it at.
Speaker 4: You probably watched this game closer than me.
Speaker 1: Someone explained to me how the team with one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty four net passing yards and nine points, like
Speaker 1: had a better quarterback performance, Cause there might be an answer,
Speaker 1: There always can be.
Speaker 8: But what's had a very good game against the Readers,
Speaker 8: and other than that, he's not like an NFL player.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's just one drive and basically he had one
Speaker 3: really good drive and that's essentially better than he has
Speaker 3: most weeks.
Speaker 8: And the only caveat well, let me just say on Watson,
Speaker 8: the weird thing with him now is he used to
Speaker 8: be dying against pressure. Not only would he beat pressure,
Speaker 8: he was by far and away the best quartersback in
Speaker 8: the league get throwing when he was under pressure. Now
Speaker 8: he is just in full on seeing ghosts, can't see
Speaker 8: the past rush connovated mode, and it's just become an
Speaker 8: absolute disaster. He's turning down wide over open receivers, he's
Speaker 8: bailing too early. Then he's hanging in too late on
Speaker 8: other opportunities. But there is a broader issue with him.
Speaker 8: I think it's way too easy to say it's all
Speaker 8: on Deshaun Watson. He's not good enough. He had an
Speaker 8: excellent game against the Raiders and they stung in that
Speaker 8: game as well. Just operationally, they are a disaster. Coaching wise,
Speaker 8: it's really been really, really poor. Every single time they
Speaker 8: get into the red zone. Every single time and they're
Speaker 8: barely there, they get some kind of penalty, and it's
Speaker 8: always a pre snap operational one. It's not a holding.
Speaker 8: It's always a false start and illegal shift something to
Speaker 8: back them up. They had a chance to go and
Speaker 8: win this game down the stretch, and they blew it
Speaker 8: because they're having penalties in the red zone.
Speaker 5: I mean, we talked earlier about bad body language. I mean,
Speaker 5: this whole team gives bad body language. I mean, I
Speaker 5: know Omari Cooper has a little bit of that in him,
Speaker 5: but how do you how do you watch this team
Speaker 5: and think, Man, these guys really want to play for
Speaker 5: each other. They love playing together, Like you have no
Speaker 5: strong leadership. You've got a quarterback in there who I
Speaker 5: truthfully don't believe that everybody wants in that building anyways.
Speaker 5: What makes you want to go out week in and
Speaker 5: week out and play for each other? I mean, I
Speaker 5: think back to the video clip of Joel but TONI
Speaker 5: when when you know he doesn't help up, he doesn't
Speaker 5: want the help of Jean Watson. That for me and
Speaker 5: Joel is the nicest man I've ever met like that
Speaker 5: for me, says so much about a team, And so no,
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised that if you have no discipline in
Speaker 5: the classroom, you're not gonna have discipline on the field either.
Speaker 8: And it's getting to me pretty evident that there's some
Speaker 8: mandate that they can't bench the guy even for a
Speaker 8: couple of series.
Speaker 4: Well, because.
Speaker 8: They are running stuff. They had a second and fifteen
Speaker 8: they called a droll play. They had a third and
Speaker 8: seventeen they called a tight end screen. That is, we
Speaker 8: don't like and trustock quote back with paying in more
Speaker 8: than anyone in the league. And it's second and fifteen.
Speaker 8: And if that's Dak Prescott, Josh Allen, any of these guys,
Speaker 8: you try and find a way to rip it down
Speaker 8: the field and they're like, we are avoiding this, we
Speaker 8: are out of this drive. We may as well just
Speaker 8: put on second down because we don't trust to Sean Watson,
Speaker 8: Then why is he the starting quarts back if we
Speaker 8: don't trust the guy?
Speaker 1: Right, I should mention that the Browns only touchdown in
Speaker 1: this game was on a field goal block recovered by
Speaker 1: Rodney McLeod. So when I say nine points that that
Speaker 1: was what they scored on offense, just three field goals,
Speaker 1: And I think they're testing that theory of yoursali that
Speaker 1: you can't bench him. Although I think his play has
Speaker 1: warranted benching, I think considering that once they bench him,
Speaker 1: he will never play for them ever again, and everything
Speaker 1: that goes in that in ownership, I actually think it's
Speaker 1: predictable that to this point they wouldn't have benched him.
Speaker 1: I think this week is one inflection point. I think
Speaker 1: there's a chance that he is benched. On Tuesday, Kevin
Speaker 1: Stefanski said, yes, he's our star quarterback after the game.
Speaker 1: They always say that right after the game, so it's
Speaker 1: gonna take a larger conversation. I think it's a week
Speaker 1: to week basis now and the next catastrophic game, and
Speaker 1: maybe this is somewhere in between. So they string it
Speaker 1: out one more week like it's coming. It's not going
Speaker 1: to continue like this. They just owe it to the
Speaker 1: rest of the team. And the reason is, even though
Speaker 1: operationally they're a disaster, and even though the defense is
Speaker 1: clearly not as good as it was a year ago,
Speaker 1: we've just seen every other quarterback who was playing under
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski in Cleveland have such higher moments that you
Speaker 1: just got it, just just to feel like you're being
Speaker 1: honest with the rest of the team.
Speaker 3: The ridiculous thing is there's this idea that they're making
Speaker 3: a business decision because there's this one hundred and forty
Speaker 3: million dollars worth of cap money that is still there
Speaker 3: over the next two years. But guess what, that's still
Speaker 3: there even if you bench him or even if you
Speaker 3: cut him, and at least you might have half decent
Speaker 3: quarterback play Like Jameis Winston. We know is not a
Speaker 3: franchise quarterback, but what he is is a guy who
Speaker 3: gets people going. Teammates love him, gives you that bit
Speaker 3: of juice. And we've seen him on the sidelines, leading
Speaker 3: these these huddles and leading these big speeches. He's a
Speaker 3: priest team while he's also then going back and sitting
Speaker 3: on the bench and letting Deshaun Watson go in and
Speaker 3: make these horrible plays. And I just I cannot fathom
Speaker 3: at this point how he is still even on the roster,
Speaker 3: let alone starting for them. It's it's mad he.
Speaker 8: Can father way he's on the roster because they can't
Speaker 8: afford not to have him on the roster. It's on
Speaker 8: the weirdest situations ever. They gave him the most ludicrous
Speaker 8: contract of all time, and now they have to just
Speaker 8: live with it. The business decision now is who wants
Speaker 8: to keep their job in the building. Does Kevin's fans
Speaker 8: want to have a job Morgan, he wants to pay
Speaker 8: because he's going to have to start someone else to
Speaker 8: show something here. If, like you said, Greg, we've seen
Speaker 8: bring Joe Flack off a couch, we can score points.
Speaker 8: He could bench him and show it's not me, it's
Speaker 8: this guy. You screwed up the contract.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to start around. I've seen that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like we have seen that over and over again.
Speaker 1: But you're you could prove it on this particular hell
Speaker 1: trade for Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 4: I mean I wouldn't want to give him.
Speaker 1: I kind of like I like him having there with
Speaker 1: Drake May, but we've seen Jacoby with them, and this
Speaker 1: is a perfect win for the Eagles because you know,
Speaker 1: coaches like to say yeah, you like you like to
Speaker 1: coach them hard after a win, and there are things
Speaker 1: that they won't like about this. Saquon Barkley only ends
Speaker 1: up with forty seven yards rushing, but more importantly like
Speaker 1: it's a perfect win for the media in Philly, because
Speaker 1: no one's gonna be happy with a twenty to sixteen
Speaker 1: win over the Browns. Everyone loses Eagles, Browns. Let's go
Speaker 1: to a game where a team definitively won. That team
Speaker 1: was the Pittsburgh Steelers in Las Vegas?
Speaker 4: Or was it Las Vegas? It didn't sound like it
Speaker 4: if you saw the crowd there.
Speaker 5: Harris alone setback.
Speaker 4: We'll get the pitch as he was trying to seal
Speaker 4: the edge. Naji oh able.
Speaker 10: To slide inside one tackle, get down the sideline.
Speaker 6: Naji Harris Cracy towards the Enzo scrawls out busy in touchdown.
Speaker 4: Steelers. What a run by Najie Harris. What a run
Speaker 4: by the iron Horse?
Speaker 7: Did you see him?
Speaker 3: He coasted two men on the end of the line.
Speaker 13: Then he took it up the sidelines and like Superman,
Speaker 13: lay it.
Speaker 3: Out and jock the end zone.
Speaker 1: I love it. Nase Harris with a big play. Just
Speaker 1: haven't heard that enough, Not this season, not in a while.
Speaker 1: Wdvee Rob King, Craig Wolfley. Yes, Harris ends up with
Speaker 1: one hundred and six yards on the ground and that touchdown,
Speaker 1: the Steelers pull away late. It's twelve seven at halftime,
Speaker 1: it ends up thirty two to thirteen. Will It's been
Speaker 1: a season where the Steelers make the most out of
Speaker 1: their offense. On a day that Dustin Field maybe had
Speaker 1: one of his worst games as a member of the Steelers,
Speaker 1: they still win by three scores in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Naja Harris is one of the most frustrating
Speaker 3: running backs I think in the NFL, because you see
Speaker 3: him have games like this and you see that there
Speaker 3: is clearly a level of talent there. And yet this season,
Speaker 3: prior to the today where he averaged seven point six
Speaker 3: yards per carry, there was only one previous game where
Speaker 3: he went over four yards to carry. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of fourteen for forty twos in his past like he
Speaker 3: had last week, or thirteen for nineteen like he did
Speaker 3: against the Colts. That feels like Najeris isn't the guy
Speaker 3: who falls forwards. He's not the guy who gained you
Speaker 3: those extra yards. And yet today really really impressive thought,
Speaker 3: fought through multiple tacklers, picked up yards after contact, and
Speaker 3: really carried this team for huge, huge stretches. So if
Speaker 3: you can get a run game going, and you've got
Speaker 3: the defense the Steelers have, then you've got a very
Speaker 3: good chance of winning games of football. Because you know
Speaker 3: who we haven't talked about as much this year because
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys who's always in the defensive
Speaker 3: player of the year conversation. TJ. Watt had an absolute
Speaker 3: day today. Two forced fumbles, both times proper peanut punching
Speaker 3: the ball out, one of them right on the goal line,
Speaker 3: just when the Raiders looked like they were coming back
Speaker 3: into the game. And you feel like, regardless of whether
Speaker 3: Fields has his best day or not, regardless if they
Speaker 3: end up giving Russ, Wilson and Troy, this defense is
Speaker 3: going to carry them to the playoffs and maybe even
Speaker 3: to a couple of wins in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: But I think anytime you have TJ. Watt, you've got
Speaker 5: a chance.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 5: I love the way that he plays because he doesn't
Speaker 5: he doesn't play like you're winning or like you're losing.
Speaker 5: He is just consistent and he's consistently coming after you.
Speaker 5: His ability, his physicality, the way that he's able to
Speaker 5: manipulate the offensive line. I mean, anytime there's a third down,
Speaker 5: you're like, all right, we're's CJ.
Speaker 4: Watt.
Speaker 5: He's about to make a play, and he's terrific. I mean,
Speaker 5: he gives that team life. He is completely the leader
Speaker 5: of the team, especially when Justin Field doesn't necessarily that
Speaker 5: guy you look at who totally embodies the Steelers, that
Speaker 5: is TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt.
Speaker 1: All right, we've reached four am. We are circling back
Speaker 1: for the Phoebe wellness check. You've been sneaking in bites here?
Speaker 1: How is everything they have?
Speaker 5: I have been awake for twenty two hours.
Speaker 4: We were almost there.
Speaker 1: One more game after this than we throw it to
Speaker 1: our friend Nick Shook for Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about this Steelers team,
Speaker 1: but I do like that they're like a maybe not
Speaker 1: a main character of this season, but a solid supporting
Speaker 1: character that like could get some awards.
Speaker 4: Buzz.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we had Wilson on the sideline right he's he's
Speaker 8: hanging out there trying to poke his head around seeing
Speaker 8: if he can get involved. My I'm just still trying
Speaker 8: to recover. I'm very very UPSETM going through a personal
Speaker 8: thing right now. Zach Fraser left the game in a
Speaker 8: walking boom. Who was my pick for Rookie of the
Speaker 8: Year and still would be as good as Jane Dines
Speaker 8: as being one of the most talented players that's come
Speaker 8: into the league in a long time, as being unbelievable.
Speaker 8: That is a huge blow.
Speaker 4: If they give us a minute on Zach Fraser here,
Speaker 4: because this is this is your.
Speaker 8: Chance, four m in the morning. Zach Fraser breakdown. Just
Speaker 8: the most well crafted, well honed center that's come into
Speaker 8: the league in generations. I would say I'm not used
Speaker 8: as effectively honestly as he could be, but his ability
Speaker 8: to read things, pick things up. Mostly in past protection,
Speaker 8: he was known coming in as this undersized, explosive get
Speaker 8: out in space blocker. You can do things where you
Speaker 8: can pin him and you can move from you can
Speaker 8: build a wrong game around him. What's really being impressed
Speaker 8: about him is teams have gone after him, trying to
Speaker 8: attack him in passport. They've tried to get after him
Speaker 8: by blitzing Kim standing two guys over him. He just
Speaker 8: has a great sense of awareness for what to pick up,
Speaker 8: who to pick up depths really nerdy things. None of
Speaker 8: you guys are interested, and I can see around.
Speaker 4: Them so interested. I'm writing notes to support your point.
Speaker 8: So yeah, he just he has walked in from day
Speaker 8: one an all pro caliber level at center, which you
Speaker 8: never ever ever see these guys. Usually you will see
Speaker 8: some flashy plays, some clips that go around and you think, oh,
Speaker 8: this guy's going to be really, really good, but it
Speaker 8: takes them all two three to pick up all the
Speaker 8: nuances of the position. He stepped in in day one
Speaker 8: was immediately perfect. His tape against the Colts is the
Speaker 8: best tape of any center you will see in the
Speaker 8: league this season.
Speaker 1: That is incredible that you know, this is a team
Speaker 1: in the Steelers that has an insane history at the
Speaker 1: center position, and so it's so crazy you say that
Speaker 1: that generational how he's come into this season and so
Speaker 1: that's so important for him. So think about it, Mike
Speaker 1: Webster back in the day, Dermani Dawson and then Marquise
Speaker 1: Pouncy and now it's the lineage. And there is something
Speaker 1: about the Steelers that they have a history of these
Speaker 1: edge rushers and certainly their defense, and they have these
Speaker 1: centers and they have an identity. And I was speaking
Speaker 1: with someone this week who is trying to pick what
Speaker 1: team that they should root for as a like a
Speaker 1: British person who's learning about the NFL, and they were
Speaker 1: kind of honing in on the Steelers, and I said,
Speaker 1: that's a great choice. And it was because of stuff
Speaker 1: like this, like that they actually have an identity that
Speaker 1: when you think of the NFL, you think of the Steelers.
Speaker 1: There's the lineage all the way back to the nineteen
Speaker 1: twenties when they got that team by having a good
Speaker 1: day at the horse track. And it's still the same
Speaker 1: family one hundred years later. And so that's when I
Speaker 1: say I like that the Steelers are part of this season.
Speaker 1: It's because of all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's given me salute life that we are doing a
Speaker 3: breakdown of the Steelers' center history four five in the morning,
Speaker 3: and that I love Olly Connley more than maybe any
Speaker 3: member of his family. I could listen to him talk
Speaker 3: about football all day long. I still will not get
Speaker 3: behind the idea that a center is gonna win Rookie
Speaker 3: of the Year, no matter how good.
Speaker 4: His boat, though, that's why you've got to have some
Speaker 4: boats of other people.
Speaker 8: I know he's not going to win. I'm saying talent
Speaker 8: for talent, play play. He has been as good as
Speaker 8: Jayden Daniels at his job. Jayden's is more valuable and
Speaker 8: slightly more impressive because he's a quarterback, but being a
Speaker 8: center is not. He's just seven on day one and
Speaker 8: he's been just so good. I will just say quickly,
Speaker 8: you mentioned TJ Watt before doing this without Herbig and Highsmith.
Speaker 8: When those three are all together, they don't use her
Speaker 8: Big as much as they probably should do. That is
Speaker 8: as good a front as we have in the league.
Speaker 8: So for them to continue to play at this level
Speaker 8: with those two guys being out for a couple of
Speaker 8: weeks is really importsive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got the news from the Raiders before
Speaker 1: the game, like, hey, we might not actually trade Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: which translates to, hey, we're not getting any good trade
Speaker 1: offers for Devontae Adams. I do believe that they're willing
Speaker 1: to hold on to him until the trade deadline, and
Speaker 1: that's maybe what this is signaling. That he could be
Speaker 1: on ice or he might even be back on the
Speaker 1: field and show that he's healthy in the meantime. The
Speaker 1: trade deadline still a few weeks a week. I do
Speaker 1: not believe he'll be on the team after that. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Raiders fans, like, if you want us to talk more
Speaker 1: about your team, do more Rock Bowers. That's all we
Speaker 1: have for you, Like alex and Alexander Madison is your
Speaker 1: leading rusher with thirty three yards and eight. O'Connell's back
Speaker 1: in the starter. But it doesn't really make much of
Speaker 1: a difference here.
Speaker 5: No, it doesn't. Like you said, I think Brock Bowers
Speaker 5: is probably the most exciting player that they have going on,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of getting my vote for Rookie of
Speaker 5: the Year essentially from a tight ends perspective, I mean,
Speaker 5: I think he's been phenomenal what he's able to do
Speaker 5: and how he's he's kind of transforming what tight ends
Speaker 5: are doing out there.
Speaker 4: But nine for seventy one today, nice game.
Speaker 5: It's a nice game. Nice game for the young man.
Speaker 3: There was this idea that he was a level of
Speaker 3: talent coming out that should be And listen, we're giving
Speaker 3: Raiders fans their flowers by giving them some love with this.
Speaker 3: They climb into the league as a guy who should
Speaker 3: be the best prospect of the position, but landed at
Speaker 3: maybe the worst landing spot possibly for him because of
Speaker 3: the quarterback play, because they traded drafted a tight end
Speaker 3: high last year and he's just blown all that out
Speaker 3: of the war and been absolutely brilliant. Yeah, and there
Speaker 3: we go, Raiders fans. We were positive about your team.
Speaker 4: They're not done at two and four.
Speaker 1: But whenever a team falls two games under five hundred,
Speaker 1: that's when it starts to feel closer. I've just seen
Speaker 1: too many teams bounce back after that. But this team
Speaker 1: does not have the bones of a team that you
Speaker 1: would expect. Meanwhile, Max Crosby's out there getting eight pressures
Speaker 1: and two stuffed runs on half an ankle, and so
Speaker 1: he's still being Max Crosby. But at two and four,
Speaker 1: they had higher expectations in the building. Outside of the buildings,
Speaker 1: there really weren't that many high expectations. All Right, we're
Speaker 1: going to take a break. We'll be back in a second.
Speaker 4: So a third and two from the four, Herbert to Dobbins.
Speaker 15: Dobbins bounces off a defender, reaches the ball out touchdown.
Speaker 3: JK.
Speaker 15: Dobbins, with the extra effort to reach out, punches it
Speaker 15: into the end zone for his third rushing score of
Speaker 15: the season.
Speaker 4: That was Matt money Smith. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 4: He's not letting Daniel Deremia get a word in edgeways so.
Speaker 1: That he can get onto his favorite podcast, the podcast
Speaker 1: he actually listens to. Twenty three to sixteen. Chargers win
Speaker 1: this game in Denver. They race out to a twenty
Speaker 1: three to nothing leading. I'm feeling like I'm feeling a
Speaker 1: little something this Chargers team, Phoebe.
Speaker 4: It makes me.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel things that like we need an
Speaker 1: interesting sixth or seventh seed option in the combination of
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert is enough for me to
Speaker 1: be interesting interested in this team, even if their style
Speaker 1: of play is a little blah. This game was weird,
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries early for the Chargers, and that
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh leaves the game and is treated in the
Speaker 1: medical tent. John Harbaugh, his brother, actually left his press
Speaker 1: conference concerned about Jim. But then he's back on the sideline.
Speaker 1: So that's good to hear. And Yeah, a big division
Speaker 1: win on the road.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's look, I love what Harba has done
Speaker 5: with Justin Herbert. This is really what he's needed for
Speaker 5: so long. I mean, we've been criticizing Herbert over the
Speaker 5: years for not being able to kind of open up
Speaker 5: his arsenal essentially, but you bring Harbaugh and he starts
Speaker 5: to change the culture in the building. He's doing a
Speaker 5: really nice job. I love to see that. Lad McConkey
Speaker 5: has been like the dude for them the past couple
Speaker 5: of weeks. I think he's done a really nice job.
Speaker 5: Laughing already.
Speaker 4: No, that's an ALI guy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a full face bumb And what I
Speaker 3: love from Lad McConkie today as well was there was
Speaker 3: real frustration from himself when players weren't going his way,
Speaker 3: like he was getting legitimately angry, and then when things
Speaker 3: started to work out, geared up quite a bit. But
Speaker 3: I was just like, he is proper He properly cares
Speaker 3: about this team being successful. I really really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It's such a weird dynamic with this team because Herbert's
Speaker 1: numbers are awful this year, and the offenses it's figuring
Speaker 1: things out, I guess to put it nicely, and this
Speaker 1: was a good step forward, and yet it I agree
Speaker 1: with Phoebe that it still just feels like it's it
Speaker 1: has a stronger foundation.
Speaker 4: To build off of.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the perfect way to put it. Think they
Speaker 8: feel like a professional team who wins games. They're supposed
Speaker 8: to win, and when you go play by play, you go,
Speaker 8: everyone's doing their job, Well, why is the ball not moving?
Speaker 8: And it just hurts my brain slightly when they do that.
Speaker 8: You know, they came out in this game the first
Speaker 8: time really they've tried to open up early. They've done
Speaker 8: the classic Jim Harbor think we're going to run the ball,
Speaker 8: run the ball, will take some shots. In this game,
Speaker 8: they open up first ten players, they throw the ball
Speaker 8: ten times. You can see Justin Herbert, which I absolutely
Speaker 8: ador from quarterback being like, I have three plays and
Speaker 8: corn the one where I to throw the ball first
Speaker 8: nine of the first ten times. Then gets a little
Speaker 8: bit of a telling off. But they've got a big
Speaker 8: lead and they start running the ball.
Speaker 4: It goes nowhere.
Speaker 8: And then to close the game they return to saying, okay,
Speaker 8: Justin Tran gets over the line and we'll we'll drive
Speaker 8: down the field and turn out yards that way. So
Speaker 8: when they let him throw the ball early, I think
Speaker 8: they've got a better chance. And when they're trying to
Speaker 8: slam away with the run.
Speaker 3: Jesse Mentor's unit on the other side really impressive today
Speaker 3: until that kind of fourth quarter. Was it garbage time
Speaker 3: was that. Did the Broncos figure it out? Difficult to
Speaker 3: kind of tell, but twenty five quarterback pressures today, Khalil
Speaker 3: Mack with six of those, and that's without Joey Bosa,
Speaker 3: who should return to this lineup at some point. So
Speaker 3: really impressive on that side of the ball. And actually,
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, Jim Harbor going out of this game
Speaker 3: with his ar trill flutter apparently had one in San
Speaker 3: Francisco as well. They never kind of came out like
Speaker 3: slightly concerning that. But actually when he went out of
Speaker 3: the game, Jesse Minter took over as the kind of
Speaker 3: assistant head coach role, but Greg Roman was left to
Speaker 3: call the plays on his own, and they had a
Speaker 3: fourth and goal at the half yard line and decided
Speaker 3: to kick a field goal from there, when I'm convinced
Speaker 3: that Jim Harbor in the game would have told them, no,
Speaker 3: we're absolutely going for that, at which point it would
Speaker 3: have been twenty four nothing at that point and there
Speaker 3: would have been no concern about a second half comeback.
Speaker 3: Bizarre decision from Greg Roman, But.
Speaker 4: I love your killing Greg Roman at this point.
Speaker 3: Kill Greg Roman all day long, every day.
Speaker 1: In his defense, Jim Harbor I believe went for his
Speaker 1: first fourth down of the year late in their last game,
Speaker 1: so they have gone for it less than any other team.
Speaker 1: Although the half yard line, Yeah, that's too much.
Speaker 4: JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins. I think it's big for them. They need to
Speaker 1: be able to run the ball to be the team
Speaker 1: they want to be. First couple of weeks he pops
Speaker 1: off a couple of big runs after that, really not much.
Speaker 1: Today was a little more consistent out of him, twenty
Speaker 1: five for ninety six and then offensively. Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: your boy Mconki involved, but it's gonna just have to
Speaker 1: be different guys kind of popping up, not even with games,
Speaker 1: but with plays like Semi Fioco had a play in
Speaker 1: this game, and Kamani Vadal had to play in this game,
Speaker 1: and Josh Palmer, who has quite been quiet this year,
Speaker 1: surprisingly like had to play in this game.
Speaker 4: And that's what they're gonna need to do. And they
Speaker 4: did it against a defense that's been giving teams a
Speaker 4: lot of trouble and they showed one way to possibly
Speaker 4: beat them. The Broncos have to be disappointed.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, like I said, going into that Saints game
Speaker 1: on a little bit of a role coming into this
Speaker 1: one and really to be humbled down twenty three to nothing,
Speaker 1: you more disappointed. Ali, I know you watch this game closely,
Speaker 1: the defense or the offense for the Broncos.
Speaker 8: The offense still for me, it just does not look
Speaker 8: functional for such long stretch of the game. It really
Speaker 8: only gets going when they're able to crank things up,
Speaker 8: move with some pace, slim things down a little bit,
Speaker 8: go no huddle when they're trying to run the true
Speaker 8: classic Sean Peyton offense. There's just so many issues all
Speaker 8: across the ball. Protections bad, boon Nicks is bad. They
Speaker 8: get out the huddle sole ly. They all panic. The
Speaker 8: first player of the game, he throws an exception the
Speaker 8: first play of the game, and they get to the
Speaker 8: play clock with two seconds left. Which is a guy
Speaker 8: who does not know if he's ready or not, doesn't
Speaker 8: know everything set properly the way he wants it to be,
Speaker 8: drops back, Panics throws a pig That happens to them
Speaker 8: five six times a game. And we're not early in
Speaker 8: the season so much anymore, where you should be either saying,
Speaker 8: let's slice some of this stuff off. He's not ready,
Speaker 8: or he should be figuring it out. And they've had
Speaker 8: weeks where they have completely stripped the playbook back, let
Speaker 8: him just play the screen game and then create game.
Speaker 8: They've had some success doing that. This was the first
Speaker 8: time they tried to say, Okay, let's ramp things back up.
Speaker 8: I'm going back home and next week out really like
Speaker 8: to run my offense and try and beat Dennis doing
Speaker 8: it that way, and when trying it, it was not
Speaker 8: a success again.
Speaker 3: And we talked Caleb Williams scrambled today and he made
Speaker 3: smart decisions and he ended up with what fifty six
Speaker 3: yards on the ground. Bonix ended up leading this team
Speaker 3: in rushing today and almost all of those scram will
Speaker 3: look like just pure panic and actually something opened up
Speaker 3: for him and he managed to.
Speaker 1: Although that's that's been all year and it's been quite effective.
Speaker 1: It's the best part of his game, like rushing value
Speaker 1: by QBR and everything. He's one of the better quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league for that. I'm with you, though it
Speaker 1: seems like there's no plan to it, and it often
Speaker 1: happens when they're trailing, but at least he makes that works.
Speaker 8: Yeah, why would you not just lean into that being
Speaker 8: the offense be the most up tempo RPO offense in
Speaker 8: the NFL. Try and move into twenty twenty four. Go
Speaker 8: and see what Washington is doing with Jaden Daniels. This
Speaker 8: is where he's being effective. Let's lean into this for
Speaker 8: four or five weeks. When he's more comfortable with the
Speaker 8: other things, then we can go back to that. So
Speaker 8: that is proper coaching. Just running your offense when the
Speaker 8: guy doesn't get it, that's not coaching.
Speaker 5: But I think there's a bit of ego that's just
Speaker 5: in there with Sean Payton. Imagine would you imagine? But genuinely,
Speaker 5: I mean, look, he's saying that this is my quarterback,
Speaker 5: this is my guy, We're gonna win my way, and
Speaker 5: I don't think he's in a position where he wants
Speaker 5: to step back and be like, ooh, maybe this wasn't
Speaker 5: the right scheme here, Maybe this wasn't the right move.
Speaker 5: Maybe we shouldn't have put bo Nicks in these situations.
Speaker 5: And then ultimately it's probably quite frustrating when you look
Speaker 5: at the score line and you think you have two turnovers,
Speaker 5: you actually might have even won that even with the
Speaker 5: poor display of football that was out there.
Speaker 4: So that's the Chargers winning record three and two in
Speaker 4: the mix.
Speaker 1: I think there's just a spot here for whoever's second
Speaker 1: in the AFC West to make the playoffs because their
Speaker 1: schedules are very easy, and so this game to me
Speaker 1: is a big one because these are the two candidates
Speaker 1: to b second in the AFC West and you get
Speaker 1: a win on the road in the division. Not a
Speaker 1: flashy game, but I think an important one for the Chargers.
Speaker 1: This was an important week for myself for NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: It is always a huge treat to come over to London.
Speaker 1: It's always one of my favorite weeks of the whole year.
Speaker 1: Today like Sunday game Day, that's probably, you know, my
Speaker 1: favorite work day of the whole.
Speaker 4: Year, and.
Speaker 3: Made it so long.
Speaker 4: It's true, I just don't want it to end. That
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna like honk for a while more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting emotional listening.
Speaker 1: To talking about it. It's different this year too, like
Speaker 1: I'm not here with Dan and Mark. I feel their
Speaker 1: absence more this week. I always feel Chris's absence this
Speaker 1: week going to hot Tottenham Hotspur where they remembered him
Speaker 1: and we lived out our dreams and it was really special.
Speaker 1: But doing this show with you guys, like we could
Speaker 1: talk more. I love that we're breaking down bo Nix's
Speaker 1: like running ability at four in the morning, and you
Speaker 1: guys have such great energy and you love the game
Speaker 1: so much that this particular podcast was like a total
Speaker 1: treat and something that I'll remember. And thank you Will
Speaker 1: for providing us this studio and the energy, because if
Speaker 1: we were all in our hotel rooms right now, this
Speaker 1: show would be about three hundred percent worse. And adding
Speaker 1: your voice and your analysis, it was overdue. We need
Speaker 1: to have you on much much more. And also thank
Speaker 1: you to the will behind the glass, Will Will Varney.
Speaker 3: But thank you absolutely gushing. I cannot get over it.
Speaker 3: I'm a man who has the ego of champaignon now.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be on a high all week long.
Speaker 1: Chase, Greg, That's why we thank you for having I've
Speaker 1: long tried to keep you in your place and not
Speaker 1: let you get too big, but this time I got
Speaker 1: to give it up.
Speaker 3: This is why the debut has come so late in
Speaker 3: the day. It's just like I could not let him
Speaker 3: on the podcast before now he just would have been insufferable.
Speaker 1: And we did have a wonderful lunch a couple of
Speaker 1: days after the Super Bowl at a Caribbean restaurant in
Speaker 1: Santa Monica. I think of that often when I'm driving
Speaker 1: past that place. I was like, this is where me
Speaker 1: and Will and his wife. A lot of people to
Speaker 1: think like la, I mean, London's crazy. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to brag, but it's the only place in the world
Speaker 1: world that a cab driver could possibly recognize.
Speaker 4: Me, which is easy to me.
Speaker 1: And they have the little speakers and they just are you,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal And I'm just like, it's fall why can't
Speaker 1: you say th h? But yeah, he was a big
Speaker 1: NFL fan. He was a big around the NFL fan.
Speaker 1: He's a big he'd the call fan and he says
Speaker 1: he's a big NFL Daily fan. And it really didn't
Speaker 1: mean a lot to me. Today at the game, when
Speaker 1: we were outside on the riser, Olivia and I and
Speaker 1: so many different people came up because that was the
Speaker 1: time where it's our people, it's the people at the game,
Speaker 1: and so many fans came up and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: we love the around the NFL, but we really love
Speaker 1: what you're doing with NFL Daily too, and we love
Speaker 1: it all and we love seeing you here.
Speaker 4: And that was very cool. So thank you to everyone
Speaker 4: and did that.
Speaker 3: I do think the listener is going to be slightly annoyed.
Speaker 3: Right at the top of the show, we tease that
Speaker 3: you're going to tell us about getting a motorbike from
Speaker 3: So yeah, he still not told us about this magical
Speaker 3: motorbike ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah at Alex Jackson, jacko, producer at Sky Sports, called
Speaker 1: me yesterday evening and said, asked me, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do the accident because because I know how to
Speaker 1: hate the accent, but that you know. He asked me
Speaker 1: if I would take a motorcycle from the game because
Speaker 1: I was going to be there doing hits through the
Speaker 1: end of the third quarter and he was hopeful he'd
Speaker 1: it'd be great to have you there for the start
Speaker 1: of the What here is the six pm games at home?
Speaker 1: It's the ten am games in LA And he's like,
Speaker 1: the only way I think we could do it is
Speaker 1: if it's on a motorcycle.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Oh, I don't have to drive it.
Speaker 4: Do that would be crazy?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 4: And I did ask the question.
Speaker 3: That's me.
Speaker 4: I was like, do I have to be like holding
Speaker 4: the driver the whole time?
Speaker 7: That's it?
Speaker 4: He's like, no, there's handles. I said sure that that
Speaker 4: would be fun.
Speaker 1: So I felt very cool, very like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like superheroish, having to get to like the chase and
Speaker 1: we're in the motorcycle, first motorcycle ride i'd ever been on.
Speaker 4: Seemed like pretty normal at first.
Speaker 1: Then you get on the highway and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: this thing is is moving if you look down and everything.
Speaker 1: But the scary part is definitely weaving through traffic, which
Speaker 1: is why they wanted us to take the motorcycle. There's
Speaker 1: London traffic's crazy, it's worse than La and yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's weaving through that and we're like two inches on
Speaker 1: either side of me and people are giving us dirty
Speaker 1: looks and I'm afraid they're gonna like open their door.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we made it the wind, you know, flying
Speaker 1: not through my hair because there was a helmet on.
Speaker 1: But it was pretty bad ass.
Speaker 4: It was awesome.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: Neil did the same thing last week as well, Neil
Speaker 3: Reynolds getting on a motorbike from Tottenham to sky It's
Speaker 3: just I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: I don't know who looked like less of a bad ass.
Speaker 1: Because I did have them take a picture. I put
Speaker 1: it out on my Instagram story, I'll put it out there.
Speaker 1: And like, I was worried that I was gonna be
Speaker 1: really cold because I didn't have a heavy jacket or anything,
Speaker 1: and they they had it all ready for me. They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got a huge heavy jacket for you in gloves,
Speaker 1: and I looked like a three year old, like it
Speaker 1: was made for a much bigger person.
Speaker 5: But I will say the difference between you and Neil
Speaker 5: is that we were literally counting down thirty seconds to
Speaker 5: going live and they are having you run onto the
Speaker 5: dance floor. You have no idea what's happening. We're like, hey,
Speaker 5: we're hitting this, this, this is and we're live. Neil,
Speaker 5: I love you, but you did not do that last weekend.
Speaker 4: This was Greg.
Speaker 1: That was the moment I got out of the of
Speaker 1: the motorcycle and I'm walking up to the building and
Speaker 1: then I see our producer Yell and he's like, why
Speaker 1: don't you run Greg worth Worth three minutes from error?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, is he being serious or is he
Speaker 1: like like being sarcastic like? And I was like okay,
Speaker 1: and I started running and yes, I got there about
Speaker 1: thirty seconds before it started, and it was really fun
Speaker 1: doing that show. Hannah Wilkes was just a beautiful host,
Speaker 1: and her first day back from having her lovely daughter,
Speaker 1: so that she had a hero performance too. I mean
Speaker 1: she's feeding her baby in between breaks, so that is
Speaker 1: pretty freaking amazing by Hannah. And it was so fun
Speaker 1: to work with everyone this week. I'll stop talking, but
Speaker 1: thank you also to the NFL for sending me out there,
Speaker 1: and Matt Schneider and Jason Kleman and Eric Roberts back there,
Speaker 1: and Randy Chavez who who were helping us all out,
Speaker 1: Henry Hodson, who makes a big difference in all of
Speaker 1: our lives. I'm just gonna say it, just try by
Speaker 1: make growing the game. When I see this game out here, Ali,
Speaker 1: like you're a young man, isn't it a different game?
Speaker 4: And I hate to ask this question, but it's true.
Speaker 1: It's different than it was doing an NFL game than
Speaker 1: when they first started doing these games, and certainly like
Speaker 1: the last like even since Tottenham hotspurd Stadium's open, like
Speaker 1: it's different.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, the atmosphere so much better at the Tottenham
Speaker 8: Stadium for one. The Wembley next week could be fun,
Speaker 8: I'd like you said at the top. I've never seen
Speaker 8: an atmosphere like that in London that we saw today,
Speaker 8: which was a true home crowd type vibe. There was
Speaker 8: not the fifty percent home twenty percent fun of another team,
Speaker 8: and then to spread around with all of the kind
Speaker 8: of Joseys. We still had some of that three that
Speaker 8: which is always film with. This was like a legitimate
Speaker 8: Baz home crowd.
Speaker 1: I love that I made you talk about the how
Speaker 1: the game has grown over here to close this show,
Speaker 1: the little I like the last.
Speaker 4: Thing that Ollie wants to talk about. I blew it.
Speaker 8: My brain is still hurting from the idea of having
Speaker 8: to dig a moator bike through in the middle of
Speaker 8: London to see a Mike McCarthy football team.
Speaker 1: It's like about yes to get there for the very
Speaker 1: first step to get there for like the little build up,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. And I do not
Speaker 1: forget that we that we are lucky to do this
Speaker 1: and that there's nothing guaranteed. So if this was the
Speaker 1: last time they ever sent me to London, I feel
Speaker 1: like I made a count. And thank you to everyone
Speaker 1: who is listening, and I'll stop saying thank you. I
Speaker 1: apologize to anyone that I forgot to say thank you,
Speaker 1: yes for Will Gavin, Phoebe Schechter, Ollie Connolly, Will Varney
Speaker 1: behind the glass. When we are wrapping this thing up
Speaker 1: at four twenty two in the morning, you know football
Speaker 1: is back and it's time to send it to Nick
Speaker 1: Schuk to wrap us up.
Speaker 4: Here, take us home, Nick, Bengals and Giants.
Speaker 14: Third down and eighteen on the Bengals first drive of
Speaker 14: the game.
Speaker 3: Again the Bengals with an empty.
Speaker 4: Formation, shotgun snap.
Speaker 14: It's a five man rush. Burrow run for thirty five,
Speaker 14: twenty five, twenty fifteen, ten five times for the pie
Speaker 14: on touchdown, a forty seven yard touchdown run by Joe Burrow.
Speaker 9: I'll tell you you talked about a defense getting.
Speaker 4: Distorted to New York.
Speaker 10: Giants, gave up half a football field.
Speaker 3: Old baby score score. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wealk to the.
Speaker 16: Sunday Night football recap Patrick Clavon here with Nick Shook
Speaker 16: as that essentially was it.
Speaker 9: Nick.
Speaker 16: Joe Burrow's long career long touchdown run almost held up
Speaker 16: as the score in this game as the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 16: knockoff the New York Giants at Bengals that was scoring
Speaker 16: a billion points seventeen to seven, but one was a
Speaker 16: touchdown that probably shouldn't have been late by Chase Brown.
Speaker 16: But yeah, just an odd game, but one that Cincinnati
Speaker 16: was able to come out on top of in the end.
Speaker 13: Yeah, and the Chase Brown touchdown a perfect example of
Speaker 13: broadcaster timing where they show a graphic that says the
Speaker 13: Bengals are like one in one thirty eight when they
Speaker 13: score ten points or less and they're winning ten to seven,
Speaker 13: and then the next play Chase Brown makes it seventeen
Speaker 13: to seven, and oh, you don't have to worry about
Speaker 13: that anymore. Yeah, this game lacked highlights when it comes
Speaker 13: to scoring plays, but didn't lack highlights overall. A bit
Speaker 13: of an ugly game, but I wouldn't call it a
Speaker 13: clunker or a snooze fest, but a defensive battle, if
Speaker 13: you will. We learned a lot about the Giants defense.
Speaker 13: We actually learned a lot about the Bengals defense, which
Speaker 13: has been a sieve upfront for most of the season.
Speaker 13: They got a little bit healthier up front. They did
Speaker 13: get run through pretty emphatically for one drive, but when
Speaker 13: it came down to making a play, they made the
Speaker 13: plays they needed to. They stopped Tyrone Tracy, they stopped
Speaker 13: the Giants offense, which didn't have a ton of life
Speaker 13: if it wasn't running the football, and they were able
Speaker 13: to hang on and leave the Metal Lands with a
Speaker 13: much needed victory.
Speaker 16: And the victory that was hard fought that came ultimately
Speaker 16: Nick on a fourth down stop. Where this was something
Speaker 16: that Brian day Ball was doing. It was almost consistent,
Speaker 16: pretty much in lockstep with the next Gen stats recommendation.
Speaker 16: I'm not sure if there's a particular sheet and situation
Speaker 16: that the Giants staff has, but these go situations, they
Speaker 16: were successful for the Giants for the most part, until
Speaker 16: they weren't. Ultimately at the end, when you saw, in
Speaker 16: similar fashion the two fourth downs that the Giants did
Speaker 16: not get in the second half, Mike Hilton was back
Speaker 16: there doing his I'm Mike Hilton, I'm a veteran pointing
Speaker 16: a direction almost kind of lebron esque on an inbounds
Speaker 16: play kind of guiding guys. He got the pass breakup.
Speaker 16: I think it was DJ Turner that got the ultimate
Speaker 16: one that kind of sealed the deal where the Giants
Speaker 16: were band aid and duct taping their way down the
Speaker 16: field and eventually, you know, with Greg Joseph missing kicks,
Speaker 16: it's tough to sustain an offense like that.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's the key is the fact that they scored
Speaker 13: one touchdown all night, and you know, you missed two
Speaker 13: field goals and there goes your opportunity. But yeah, they
Speaker 13: go three for five on third down or on fourth down.
Speaker 13: It felt like they went for fourth down ten times.
Speaker 13: They were using all four downs, like that high school
Speaker 13: coach who refused to punt and made waves in the internet. Basically,
Speaker 13: the Giants became that team on Sunday night, and I
Speaker 13: think it was at a desperation. It was, look, hey,
Speaker 13: we know we're not only Merlin to get so many
Speaker 13: chances to move the football, and if it's fourth and short,
Speaker 13: I think it's anything inside of six as usually a go.
Speaker 13: I would envision a world in which they have the
Speaker 13: next gen stats about model up in the box and
Speaker 13: like radioing down like Bryan, next gen sys, go for it,
Speaker 13: go for it as if they don't have their own
Speaker 13: analytics department. But yeah, they went for it willingly and often,
Speaker 13: and most of the time they got it, but they
Speaker 13: didn't get the most important ones. And that's often the
Speaker 13: difference in a game like this, where the Bengals offense
Speaker 13: that had put up a ton of points, like you said,
Speaker 13: wasn't scoring and the game was within reach, and it's
Speaker 13: a Giants team that took.
Speaker 4: A step back.
Speaker 5: I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 13: I wouldn't even necessarily say that it was a rough
Speaker 13: night for them against the Bengals defense that played better.
Speaker 13: I mean, this is not the Giants team that we
Speaker 13: saw play the Seahawks a week that's for sure. But
Speaker 13: I mean sometimes it's about matchups, and they lost out tonight.
Speaker 16: Well, are the other matchup that you pointed out the
Speaker 16: last time we were doing a Prime Tom breakdown. I'm
Speaker 16: sitting here in my garage and I'm celebrating. I'm heaping
Speaker 16: Dimes with praise, like this is a top ten Dimes game.
Speaker 16: And you looked as you do, down into the screen
Speaker 16: and you're like, it was on the road Patrick, the
Speaker 16: home road spits for splits for Danny Dimes of not
Speaker 16: being kind, and here we are low and behold, Dimes
Speaker 16: is back at home and the offense can't do anything.
Speaker 16: What is it?
Speaker 3: Nick? Do you have a theory about Daniel Jones at MetLife?
Speaker 13: You know, I don't know. I mean, I've been to
Speaker 13: Met Life once, the lighting there is a little weird,
Speaker 13: but I don't think that has anything to do with it.
Speaker 13: It's just a little weird on the eyes. It's got
Speaker 13: a bit of an orange glow to it at times, honestly,
Speaker 13: like they didn't run the ball well until the third quarter,
Speaker 13: and they had a very strong third quarter, but their
Speaker 13: offense felt very unbalanced, and every time you saw him
Speaker 13: drop back to pass. In fact, I looked at the
Speaker 13: pressure numbers and they were way lower than I thought
Speaker 13: they'd be. The Bengals got fifteen total pressures at thirty
Speaker 13: three points three percent, exactly one third few math wizards,
Speaker 13: and it felt like he was constantly under duress. Are
Speaker 13: just slow, hesitant to make a decision. I think that
Speaker 13: speaks to coverage being sticky. If guys aren't blatantly open,
Speaker 13: you know he's going to be somebody's a little bit
Speaker 13: indecisive and wait a second or two. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 13: the home versus road thing, I don't know. I think
Speaker 13: it's kind of strange. I know New York's a big market,
Speaker 13: and if I put myself in his shoes, I would
Speaker 13: have a hard time handling that. I guess, as most
Speaker 13: people would. But it is kind of strange there as
Speaker 13: a team really bad at home in terms of winning
Speaker 13: percentage and in terms of primetime games over the last
Speaker 13: decade too. So it's not just him, but when he
Speaker 13: was doing this, he was going up for those of
Speaker 13: you who watched on YouTube and putting my hand on
Speaker 13: an upward trajectory on the screen right now. He came
Speaker 13: back down a little bit. We'll see where he lands
Speaker 13: in QB index this week. And yes, that is a plug.
Speaker 16: Yes, well you have to because it's a lot of
Speaker 16: work and people should pay attention to it. There was
Speaker 16: an opportunity. But because the Giants on their best drive
Speaker 16: of the night, I believe what was the penetration here?
Speaker 16: They got down they were at the twenty. No, they
Speaker 16: are snapping this ball at the fifteen yard line. First
Speaker 16: and ten from the fourteen yard line. Dimes has the
Speaker 16: rookie Tracy out in the flat. DJ Turner is covering
Speaker 16: Tracy in theory, but he turns to run to grass Nick.
Speaker 16: Tracy is ultimately wide open, and for some reason and
Speaker 16: Collins were pointed to us out on the game, Dimes
Speaker 16: takes his eyes off. Tracy gets hit as he throws
Speaker 16: and throws a ball to Jermaine pet Pratt, he picks
Speaker 16: his off runs it back to the twenty seven. That
Speaker 16: was essentially their chance, that was their best opportunity, and
Speaker 16: there it went just on a weird decision by Daniel Jones.
Speaker 13: And that came in the first quarter, end of the
Speaker 13: first quarter too, in a game that was only seven
Speaker 13: to nothing and they'd put together a strong drive. But
Speaker 13: that also speaks to what we've seen from Daniel Jones
Speaker 13: for most of his career, which is this is a
Speaker 13: guy who when under pressure, tends to flail or tends
Speaker 13: to you know, have an issue where he gets hit
Speaker 13: when he throws and the ball goes sky high and
Speaker 13: it's easy for an interception. I mean, is just kind
Speaker 13: of who he is. It's unfortunate that this is an
Speaker 13: offense that's so limited that they have so few chances
Speaker 13: that it then you know Lingers and by the end
Speaker 13: of the game, you look back and think, man, that
Speaker 13: was one of our big opportunities early in this game.
Speaker 13: But it is what we've seen from him for most
Speaker 13: of his career, which is why he has the reputation
Speaker 13: he has, which I was cheering for him, man, just
Speaker 13: like you were. I was like, man, he's putting together
Speaker 13: a nice month, like he's starting to build upward, and
Speaker 13: you know, it's a little bit of a setback.
Speaker 16: Yeah, a setback where that they're going to have to
Speaker 16: get better. Their next game is coming up against the
Speaker 16: Philadelphia Eagles, who just came off a win against the Browns,
Speaker 16: albeit an odd one, but they got aj Brown back.
Speaker 16: And speaking of the Browns, that is next up at
Speaker 16: a visional matchup for the Cincinnati Bengals, who I guess,
Speaker 16: I mean the caveat that it was the Giants knick,
Speaker 16: but the defense did you said it lose?
Speaker 3: Squad played better today?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I actually honestly think that that match up that
Speaker 13: the Bengals face next to the Browns will be very
Speaker 13: similar to this and another offense that's incredibly limited primarily
Speaker 13: by quarterback play, much more than the Giants are, but
Speaker 13: against a defense that's going to give them trouble. And
Speaker 13: that really speaks to the Giants defense. You know, we
Speaker 13: look at them right now and they lose tonight and
Speaker 13: they're two and four overall, but they're better than two
Speaker 13: and four on the defensive side of the football. That
Speaker 13: front four has been very good. Dexter Lawrence is a machine.
Speaker 13: He breaks through a double team tonight and gets a
Speaker 13: sack of Joe Burrow like he's a monster. He's doing
Speaker 13: a chunky soup ad and he totally deserves it because
Speaker 13: he's a beast. You know, they didn't have their full
Speaker 13: group out there Asizo Julari though, has had a great
Speaker 13: stretch and had a great game tonight as well. So like,
Speaker 13: it's not all bad news to the Giants just because
Speaker 13: they put seven points on the board. They do have
Speaker 13: a really strong defense, especially up front. It's just that
Speaker 13: in order to win this league, you gotta put it together.
Speaker 13: So I think that, you know, like in comparison this
Speaker 13: game tonight, the Browns Bengals game is going to be similar,
Speaker 13: but the Giants, the Giants got to figure out some
Speaker 13: way to put more points on the board like they
Speaker 13: were in the weeks prior, because that defense is going
Speaker 13: to travel, it'll come to play.
Speaker 16: Yeah, the defense that deserved better tonight, especially as he's
Speaker 16: those Jalai I am Brian Burns who were playing incredible tonight.
Speaker 16: But you want to talk about a great team, what
Speaker 16: about a team that spans between uh here in Ohio, Nick,
Speaker 16: we got two thousand plus miles.
Speaker 3: I got five thousand miles.
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