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Speaker 2: I brought back the dinosaur Dan. It's been a while.

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Speaker 2: Right now, raise your hands, raise your hands. We will

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Speaker 2: open up the floor here in just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: We will open up the floor to talk about all things.

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Speaker 2: There aren't games to pick. Allelujah. We're through the woods

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Speaker 2: on that front. Yes, no TI versus the world tonight,

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Speaker 2: which means we've got time to talk about coaches.

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Speaker 1: You can't embarrass yourself.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know. We could do soccer bets if

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Speaker 2: you want to, but.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, just bet on Brazil, right, that's the movie.

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Speaker 2: It's just always bet on Brazil. Yeah. Yeah, Well we'll

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Speaker 2: get into much much more here. The final name that

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Speaker 2: I wanted to list out Matt Rule. You know, my

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Speaker 2: full kimono here, is that I love I love all

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Speaker 2: the all the hires, you know, with the exception of

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Speaker 2: don't love them all, but by and large, on average,

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Speaker 2: we've been doing this fifteen years. I like every hire

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Speaker 2: until proven otherwise, and so I have a hard time

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Speaker 2: For me, it's always very black and white. The Matt

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Speaker 2: Rule higher. I actually will sort of break my own

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Speaker 2: rule here, no pun intended. I like the move. I

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Speaker 2: like the coach. I think he's got a good track

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Speaker 2: is exactly what they need. They need somebody who's going

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Speaker 2: to teach him how not to shoot themselves in the foot,

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Speaker 2: and Matt Rule's pretty good at doing that. My issue

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Speaker 2: with Matt Ruhle and you know exactly where I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go next. I honestly believe that when James Franklin decides

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Speaker 2: he's had enough of Penn State, that Matt Rule's going

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Speaker 2: to be the coach in State College. Sure, And on

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Speaker 2: how long it takes to get there, it might be

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Speaker 2: three years, might be five years, might be a full

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Speaker 2: eight years. I don't know, but I do not believe

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Speaker 2: he is long for Lincoln, Nebraska. I just don't buy it.

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Speaker 2: And you know I've been wrong many times before.

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Speaker 1: Dreams change, Right, Nebraska is a huge program, and if

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Speaker 1: you can succeed at a huge program, you look at

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Speaker 1: other huge programs a little bit less. In nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to marry Kathy Ireland. My dream's changed, actually, Kathy,

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Speaker 1: get at me at Dan Rubinstee.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: No. I if Matt Rule is winning Big tensimpionships in Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to leave Nebraska for Penn State. Now

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Speaker 1: that's a big if. He just hired I think a

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Speaker 1: he hires Tony White away from Syracuse. He hires Marcus

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Speaker 1: obviously South Carolina's in the SEC. But Nebraska has buyout money, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Big ten offers the opportunity to its schools, given this

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Speaker 1: you can buy out coaches like they did for Scott Frost,

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Speaker 1: million right, We're going to make this decision early, or

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Speaker 1: South Carolina throw money at their face for their offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: So Nebraska's in a good situation, and obviously Matt Rule

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Speaker 1: contractually was offered a good amount for his assistant pool.

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Speaker 1: But no, I think they're spending wisely, especially with Tony White,

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Speaker 1: cash