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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you our special guest tonight. Graham Phillips has been

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Speaker 1: described as a historical detective, a modern day adventurer, real

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Speaker 1: life Indiana Jones. He's been one of Britain's best selling

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Speaker 1: nonfiction authors for more than twenty years. In nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 1: after working as a radio journalist and broadcaster for the

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Speaker 1: BBC and editing a very popular monthly magazine, he turned

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Speaker 1: his talents to investigating unsolved historical mysteries, and he has

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Speaker 1: written at least thirteen plus books in print now around

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Speaker 1: the world and have been published in ten different languages.

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Speaker 1: Some of them include Atlantis and the Ten Plagues of Egypt,

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Speaker 1: The Lost Tomb of King Arthur, and his latest tier

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Speaker 1: Wisdom Keepers of Stoneheage Graham, welcome. You're on our show

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Speaker 1: almost three years ago with my colleague Dave Schrader. Welcome back. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me on. George Howard.

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Speaker 1: Things in the United Kingdom these days, Well, we've got

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Speaker 1: this Brexfit nonsense that's just about tied up everything. But

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Speaker 1: it is sunny and warm. Well that's unusual for here.

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Speaker 1: That is that's good and a great, great job on

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Speaker 1: wisdom keepers of Stonehenge. I want to talk with you

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Speaker 1: about a lot of your works, but let's get into

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Speaker 1: this exactly geographically kind of penis the picture of Stonehenge

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people who haven't been there. Where

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Speaker 1: is it and what's it look like? Okay? Stonehenge is

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Speaker 1: in central southern England. It lies on a area called

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Speaker 1: Salisbury Plain, a fairly desolate area if you like, very

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Speaker 1: few houses around that area. It's a ring of stones

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Speaker 1: about fifteen feet high, some weighing twenty or so tons,

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Speaker 1: joined together by a series of other stones placed along

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Speaker 1: the top of them, which are called lintel stones. The

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Speaker 1: former series of is running in a ring which is

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Speaker 1: around about one hundred feet in diameter, with other stones

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Speaker 1: placed in positions inside the mainstone circle. And it's probably

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Speaker 1: Britain's most popular tourist destination outside London. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: agree with that. Now, if you're standing there as an

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Speaker 1: individual standing there by the stones looking up, how big

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Speaker 1: are they? Well, I'm six foot two and they're about

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Speaker 1: the tallest ones are about three times taller than I am. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Now do they are they dug down underground as well?

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Speaker 1: Or are they just rushed on the surface of the

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Speaker 1: planet here? No, if they just rested on the surface

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Speaker 1: that have fallen over years ago, Okay, they go down

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Speaker 1: about one third as far as they stand above the

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Speaker 1: ground in order to keep there. And basically any stone

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Speaker 1: that I'll be talking about and whatever I say, it's

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Speaker 1: it is, you can add another third to what's below

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Speaker 1: the ground. That's amazing. How do you think they moved them?

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Speaker 1: And where did the stones come from? Well? Stonehenge itself

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Speaker 1: was built in a number of phases. It began around

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Speaker 1: about five thousand years ago, and the stones to build it.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the more complicated structure we know today, but

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Speaker 1: a more simple arrangement of six foot standing stones in

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Speaker 1: a ring and between fifteen sixty of those. They no

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Speaker 1: longer stand in that position, but archaeologists have worked out

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Speaker 1: where they were based on new fangled scientific techniques called

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Speaker 1: ground sensing radar, which basically tells you whether what a

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Speaker 1: pit dug in the pass and then filled in again.

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Speaker 1: But parts of these stones still remain within the pits

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Speaker 1: that have broken off, and later they were moved inside

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Speaker 1: the inner circle of Stonehenge. They were brought all the

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Speaker 1: to the west Stone Engines. They know this because that's

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Speaker 1: the only place in the country where the stone was quarried.

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Speaker 1: It's called bluestone. They've actually found the very quarries where

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Speaker 1: it was made, and archaeoldists now realized that it originally

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Speaker 1: formed a circle built perhaps amount three thousand, one hundred

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Speaker 1: extraterrestrial help at all? Well, some people believe that getting

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Speaker 1: Enge is older in the period known as a paleos,

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Speaker 1: which means new Stone Age. Sorry, the Neolithic means new

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Speaker 1: stone what would that be years wise? Five thousand years ago?

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Speaker 1: The Pyamindu Gate of Egypt were built four thousand, five

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Speaker 1: which is just over three thousand years ago. So they

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Speaker 1: terms of how many people were working on this, are

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Speaker 1: there any estimates? Yes, there are. The main part of

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Speaker 1: Stonehenge we now know, which is a really difficult bit

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Speaker 1: was made from more locally quarried stones called stars and stones,

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Speaker 1: and they're about they were quarried about twenty miles away.

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Speaker 1: That Stonehenge we know today was built around two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six hundred BC, just before the Great Pyramids, and

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Speaker 1: Now you just brought up something fascinating, whatever purpose it

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Speaker 1: like Stonehenge. There's over a thousand of them still survived

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Speaker 1: massive stone circle called Avesbury, made up of a hundred

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Speaker 1: then these stats who have been made for some very

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Speaker 1: call energy lines on this planet. As you know, Graham,

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Speaker 1: And if so, how calm well? The lay line idea

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Speaker 1: of these stones tended to fall in straight lines across

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Speaker 1: have been used as a sacrificial spot. Well, it's a

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Speaker 1: archaeologists have now shown that this stone was once an

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Speaker 1: at some point over the centuries, because of erosion and weathering,

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Speaker 1: were savages and used to kill babies and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. But there is no historical evidence for this

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Speaker 1: is some kind of astronomical cloque. Now, this is the

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Speaker 1: theory that archaeologists are agreed upon. When viewed from the

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Speaker 1: stones placed in positions to start with, where the sun

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Speaker 1: as the midwinter or midwinter solstices. At Stonehenge, for example,

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Speaker 1: the main's circle called the Heelstone, and it rises right

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Speaker 1: above it on Midsummer's Day. But it's not just the

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Speaker 1: sun that these stone circles have stones aligned to. It's

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Speaker 1: of the year. And the general theory is that this

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Speaker 1: was a giant astonomical calculator kind of big clock, if

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Speaker 1: that they wear in the year to help with the growing, harvesting,

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Speaker 1: reaping crops. But the thing is, and this is my theory, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, but you could do that without

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Speaker 1: the need for these impressive stone survey exact and all

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Speaker 1: that work that when with it, you wouldn't need to

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Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, So the only reason to build something

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Speaker 1: that's that precise is if you wanted to calculate some

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Speaker 1: very specifically exact timings. Indeed, so that's what I decided

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Speaker 1: to try and investigate what Stone ends with Bill for

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Speaker 1: why it was needed to be so accurate. Listen to

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