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Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Todd Blanche.

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Speaker 1: Some of the reporters with which you had close relationships

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Speaker 1: were Chris Cuomo, Michael Cohen, Yes, Todd Blanche, Katie Turr,

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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen. Yes. Let me just interject this comment at

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Speaker 1: this moment. Every day I struggle with these, particularly with

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Speaker 1: choosing the lead, because often the most important story is

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Speaker 1: the most interesting story, but not always like yesterday, like

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Speaker 1: this edition, this is not the most important story. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: Adam Klassfeld reporting from the courthouse. Quote. Cohen says he

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Speaker 1: had a strong professional relationship with Chris Cuomo, Katie Turr,

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Speaker 1: and Maggie Haberman. Kyle Cheney reporting from the courthouse. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Cohen also name checked Chris Cuomo and Katie Urr. Hugo

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Speaker 1: Lowell reporting from the courthouse. Quote Katie Urr drink, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not forced me to start that again. That's what

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Speaker 1: I get for telling you that I would soon stop

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Speaker 1: talking about my exes. Actually, I find myself in a

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Speaker 1: very strange position here Urr and Maggie Haberman and Chris

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Speaker 1: Cuomo actually have to be defended somewhat. Trump's lawyer did

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Speaker 1: ask Trump's ex lawyer, if he had close relationships with

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Speaker 1: those three, including my ex and Trump's ex lawyer, did

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Speaker 1: say yes. But and we'll know this with certainty later

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Speaker 1: today when the official transcript of yesterday's testimony comes out.

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Speaker 1: The most widely circulated thing supposedly testified to about Katie

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Speaker 1: Turr and Haberman and Cuomo and at least I ever

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Speaker 1: lived with Haberman or Cuomo. The most widely circulated supposed

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Speaker 1: quote was not said. Ron philip Kowski of Midas Network,

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Speaker 1: usually extremely reliable, got it wrong, tried to correct it

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Speaker 1: long after the horse was out of the barn. He

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Speaker 1: and he alone wrote that quote. Cohen testified that his

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Speaker 1: main media contacts to get positive stories run about Trump

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Speaker 1: were you know. The clear implication in that quote is

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Speaker 1: that when Trump needed good press, Cohen would first call

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Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman, then Katie Turr, then Chris Cuomo. And that

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Speaker 1: is not what he said. He only said he had

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Speaker 1: good relationships with them. Is that distinction without a difference.

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Speaker 1: If Michael Cohen testified or believed or comes back when

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Speaker 1: court goes back into session next Monday and says I

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Speaker 1: knew I could get Trump positive stories from the new

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Speaker 1: York Times by calling Haberman, or I knew I could

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Speaker 1: get Trump positive stories from CNN by calling Cuomo, or

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Speaker 1: I knew I could get Trump positive stories from NBC

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Speaker 1: by calling terror. Those guys are in the fireable offense zone.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are in the your career is over zone.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are in the what's your second act going

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Speaker 1: to be? Zone? But they're not there now. Not that

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Speaker 1: they might not get there, but they are not there now.

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Speaker 1: They are to be viewed dubiously because what Cohen did

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Speaker 1: say is damaging enough. But he never said these were

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Speaker 1: the three people I called first to carry my water

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Speaker 1: for me. He was asked about three people by name,

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Speaker 1: and he said yes to all three. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: those were his only three or his first three. Philip

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Speaker 1: CASKI really screwed this up. To his credit, he killed

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Speaker 1: his tweet. He reached out to at least me who

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Speaker 1: had set out a screenshot of his tweet, and said

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Speaker 1: I should take it down to And he was right,

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Speaker 1: And I know The New York Times reached out to

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Speaker 1: Philip Kowski about the implications for Haberman. The problem for

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Speaker 1: all three, of course, is the context. CNN fired Chris

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Speaker 1: Cuomo after a disastrous journalistic fail in which he consulted

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Speaker 1: for his brother on how to get away with the

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Speaker 1: scandal that would ultimately cost his brother his governorship. More importantly,

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Speaker 1: CNN fired Cuomo because his coverage of his brother's scandal

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Speaker 1: was utterly indefensible. You do not say I can remain

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Speaker 1: impartial by not covering my brother the governor. You do

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Speaker 1: say I can remain impartial because when we should cover

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Speaker 1: my brother the governor, I will hand the newscast off

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Speaker 1: to one of my colleagues and I will stay out

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Speaker 1: Cuomo's executive producer in real time how to do this,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I told them to do, and they

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Speaker 1: ignored me, and everybody got fired. Simply saying I won't

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Speaker 1: cover his story just serves to reduce the amount of

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Speaker 1: negative coverage of his story. It's not neutral in any way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form anyway. After Cuomo got fired, he went

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Speaker 1: to News Nation, where he's become a bitter reactionary. He

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Speaker 1: so I doubt The New York Times sees her in

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Speaker 1: The Times, as I think most news organizations in trouble do,

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Speaker 1: always becomes defiant when challenged. We're the Times. The Times

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Speaker 1: people in the stories. The Times defended Judith Miller during

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Speaker 1: the Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction disaster time and time again.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to fire Maggie Haberman, even though Michael

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Speaker 1: Cohen testified under oath that he asked Haberman to write

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Speaker 1: nice things about him, and Michael Cohen testified under oath

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Speaker 1: that surreptitiously he recorded lots of conversations, including about forty

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Speaker 1: somebody to Haberman for a story. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Haberman is sitting out there in court covering the trial.

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Speaker 1: The Times probably is that every month or so. Now

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Speaker 1: there's another story about Maggie Haberman trying to walk that

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Speaker 1: Cohen actually denied that he gave her stories in exchange

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Speaker 1: for good spin, but her own colleagues did not exactly

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Speaker 1: help her out. Jonathan Swan of The New York Times

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Speaker 1: talking to Cohen were wrong. And as I said, obviously

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Speaker 1: that's that's true. I'm defending I'm defending Maggie Haberman. It's true.

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Speaker 1: But talk about damning her with faint praise. Swan wrote,

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Speaker 1: nowhere did Cohen say he succeeded in getting Maggie to

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Speaker 1: write positive stories about Trump? And we've been shown exhibits

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Speaker 1: in court of Trump attacking Maggie publicly unquote, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean attempted murder? The problem is that quote. Nowhere

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Speaker 1: positive stories about Trump? Well, that makes you stop and think.

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Speaker 1: Has Maggie Haberman written positive stories about Trump in the Times?

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Speaker 1: The answer is yes, And now you have to wonder why.

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Speaker 1: And now again, this is not the lead story. I

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Speaker 1: want to get to Michael Cohen's testimony about important things,

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Speaker 1: but I can't. I mean, how often do my exes

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Speaker 1: come up in the news? Well, actually, rather a lot.

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Speaker 1: As to Katie Turr, the problem is, as I noted

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Speaker 1: here long ago, as far back as twenty sixteen, she

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Speaker 1: was calling me from the campaign trail to defend Kelly

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Speaker 1: Ann Conway. And when the first book with her name

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Speaker 1: to write it for her, and I had given her

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Speaker 1: all the Trump research material I had for free, and

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Speaker 1: we had, you know, lived together for three years. And

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Speaker 1: stay in New York. The only mention of me in

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Speaker 1: that book was as somebody who she had dated briefly

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Speaker 1: the point. This didn't just happen recently. She's been I

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Speaker 1: guess Stockholm syndromed after her terrible experience, and it was

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Speaker 1: a terrible experience. Her life was repeatedly threatened on the

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign trail in twenty sixteen. I mean, it's only

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Speaker 1: days since Nancy Pelosi slammed her seriously as a Trump apologist.

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Speaker 1: Her work covering this trial and other Trump stories has

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Speaker 1: not been neutral, It has not been appropriate. What was

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Speaker 1: actually said about her on the stand by Cohen, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get the transcript sometime today was damaging. The erroneous

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Speaker 1: exaggerated version would be disqualifying if it were true, even

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Speaker 1: not true, it may be disqualif and as pissed off

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Speaker 1: been and am, the exaggerated version is neither fair nor

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Speaker 1: correct in her case and in Haberman's. The bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: if there were to be a sourced story, an investigative

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Speaker 1: to end his campaign today and flee the country, where

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Speaker 1: do you think that story would come from? From somebody

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Speaker 1: around Trump talking to somebody at the New York Times

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Speaker 1: that the Michael Cohens of this world hated or did

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Speaker 1: not know, somebody who used to work on the sports

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Speaker 1: Or would it come from somebody they liked, like Maggie Haberman.

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Speaker 1: I mean deep throat. After all, the strong of trying

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Speaker 1: Bob Woodward's primary source who set him off on half

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Speaker 1: People are saying, you can't have Maggie Haberman talking to

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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen would have been saying you can't have Bob

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Speaker 1: Woodward talking to Mark Felt. So what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Do you have somebody else other than Maggie Haberman cover

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Speaker 1: this trial, somebody else cover Trump? Do you fire Chris Cuomo?

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Speaker 1: I mean he has the largest audience on News Nation,

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Speaker 1: and boy did see Ann try hard Anderson Cooper lost

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Speaker 1: his spit. But a lawyer screaming liar does not make

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post got it pitch perfect. I bashed them

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Speaker 1: all the time too. The central witness against Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: as two days ago to realize his dreams of revenge

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Speaker 1: against his ex boss. Eleven paragraphs later. The angriest and

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Speaker 1: potentially most consequential moment in Thursday's testimony came when Todd

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Speaker 1: Blanche confronted Cohen over his claim that he spoke to

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Speaker 1: when he called the phone of Trump's security chief Keith Schiller.

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Speaker 1: Cohen testified Tuesday that during the phone call, he told

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Speaker 1: moving forward. Blanche, however, presented text messages between Schiller and

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Speaker 1: Cohen that preceded that call and suggested an entirely different

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Speaker 1: Cohen complained about getting harrising phone calls and asked for

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Speaker 1: Schiller's help call me, Shiller replied. After hours of mild

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Speaker 1: did not talk to President Trump that night, Blanche bellowed

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Speaker 1: September of twenty fifteen, you ready. March third, The Fix,

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Speaker 1: hillary Clinton's private email address at State reinforces everything people

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Speaker 1: don't like about her. March fourth, The Hillary Clinton email

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Speaker 1: story just keeps getting worse for her. August twelfth. This

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Speaker 1: email story just keeps getting worse for Hillary Clinton. And

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Speaker 1: you'll notice that's the same thing he said the previous time,

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Speaker 1: only with the words in different order. Then let's see

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Speaker 1: this is August ninth. Hillary Clinton's email problem isn't going away.

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Speaker 1: August eleventh, Hillary clinton email issue is not going away

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. September fourteenth, Hillary Clinton's email issues have become

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Speaker 1: a massive political problem. July thirtieth, Hillary Clinton as honest

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Speaker 1: and trustworthy as Donald Trump. April twenty eighth, Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: has answered seven questions as a candidate. Here are seven

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Speaker 1: more she should answer. But of course I'm only scratching

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Speaker 1: the surface here because it's a podcast, and the amount

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Speaker 1: of time I have available to me is infinity. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of majestic when you read the headlines together like that,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the big picture, it's like that

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Speaker 1: scene in the movie The Right Stuff about the founding

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Speaker 1: of the America in Space program where they set up

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Speaker 1: and lift off trial rocket after trial rocket, and they

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Speaker 1: all collapse. Some of them get like three feet off

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Speaker 1: the pad and then implode upon themselves, and they show

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Speaker 1: the reflections of everything going up in flames and the

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Speaker 1: eyeglasses of the scientists behind it, and Verner von Brown

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Speaker 1: looks very unhappy, and machine after machine blows up in

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Speaker 1: the air on the launch pad while they're carrying it out,

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Speaker 1: while they're drawing it, the drawing blows up. It's like

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Speaker 1: that looking at those emails, especially ones like the Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton email story just keeps getting worse for her, followed

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Speaker 1: by this email story just keeps getting worse for Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: followed by Hillary Clinton's email problem isn't going away anyway.

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Speaker 1: The man who was behind all that, Chris Saliza, who

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Speaker 1: eventually left the Washington Post to go to work for

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Speaker 1: CNN only did he get fired there and has been

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Speaker 1: independent ever since, has now issued a mission statement. And

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Speaker 1: this is the crux of what I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about here. He wrote this apparently about a week ago.

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Speaker 1: I only saw it yesterday, so it's news to me

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Speaker 1: because this Chris Sili is a mission statement, story isn't

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Speaker 1: going away. I watched Jerry McGuire over the weekend. That's

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Speaker 1: another movie. And I know I make too many movie references,

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Speaker 1: but at least the ones that I refer to don't suck.

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Speaker 1: I refer to the right stuff. He's watching Jerry maguire

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Speaker 1: over the weekend with my wife and kids. It's a

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Speaker 1: little cheesier than I remember. Okay, a lot cheesier. Something

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Speaker 1: that's often said about Chris's work, But one thing stuck

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Speaker 1: with me. Jerry's mission statement, a vision of what he

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Speaker 1: wanted to do and why, how he could be different

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Speaker 1: and better. So I wrote my own on journalism. Now,

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Speaker 1: before you say that this must be fiction, let me

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Speaker 1: read it to you bullet point. I will hold politicians

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Speaker 1: to account when they lie, when they obfuscate, or when

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Speaker 1: they try to play too cute with their words or

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Speaker 1: their actions. I will be tough but fair on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I will be tough but fair on Joe Biden. I

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Speaker 1: will not conclude that something is good solely because Democrats

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Speaker 1: do it, or something is bad solely because Republicans do it,

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Speaker 1: or vice versa. I will never write things for clicks

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Speaker 1: or to add subscribers. Who want red meat thrown at them.

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Speaker 1: I will always show my work and how I got

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Speaker 1: to my conclusions. I will admit when I got it

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Speaker 1: wrong and explain how and why it happened. I will

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Speaker 1: never talk down to you or assume I know better.

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Speaker 1: I will always work to foster kindness and civility in

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Speaker 1: our community. No, no, no, no, no, None of this

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Speaker 1: is meant ironically anyway. That's the short version. Well, I've

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Speaker 1: gotten hold of the law version. It has all that,

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Speaker 1: and then it goes on to say, I will not

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Speaker 1: hold politicians to account when they lie. I will not

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Speaker 1: be tougher fair with Donald Trump. I will not be

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Speaker 1: tougher fair with Joe Biden. I will conclude that something

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Speaker 1: is good solely because Democrats do it. I will always

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Speaker 1: write things for clicks. I will never admit when I

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Speaker 1: got it wrong. I will always talk down to you

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Speaker 1: and assume I know better you. See what I did there.

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Speaker 1: He's both scientists, So the first half of his mission

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Speaker 1: statement would consist of all those noble statements, but my

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Speaker 1: satirical second half in that he would contradict all those

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Speaker 1: noble statements. See what I did there. This caused me

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Speaker 1: to text a couple of my old MSNBC colleagues with

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Speaker 1: a variation of this basic message. Remind me why we

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Speaker 1: used to book this guy on the show. Did he

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Speaker 1: drive himself into the office? Did he bring the crew

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Speaker 1: food instead? I was reminded that the stuff from I

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Speaker 1: remember in two thousand and six, seven eight, As I

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Speaker 1: said out here once when we used to have real

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Speaker 1: trouble getting guests on MSNBC, Chrystalizza was already He's always

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Speaker 1: ready to go. Probably brought food to the crew. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't just then or with the email stuff. It's keeping

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Speaker 1: good pace to this day. I was reminded by somebody

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Speaker 1: that during the Super Bowl, remember the RFK Junior ad

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Speaker 1: where they stole his uncle's nineteen sixty presidential campaign ad

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Speaker 1: word for word and had him voice it. Oh the class.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a frog that's been kidnapped and being

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Speaker 1: held for ransom. They spent fifteen million dollars on it.

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Speaker 1: But of course he had nothing to do with it. It

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Speaker 1: was done by an outside group. There was no coordination.

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Speaker 1: He put it at the head of his Twitter feed.

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Speaker 1: He pinned it, so the FCC got involved or FEC

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Speaker 1: got involved, and the family, the Kennedys denounced him right

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Speaker 1: after it aired during the Super Bowl. Somebody had tweeted

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Speaker 1: the Robert F. Kennedy Junior ad was brilliant, and Chrys

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Speaker 1: Salizzis saw that about this commercial that the world would

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Speaker 1: condemn within minutes, and he got there first and retweeted

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Speaker 1: it and added quote, totally agree Hillary Clinton as honest

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Speaker 1: and trustworthy as Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton has answered seven

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Speaker 1: questions as a candidate. Here are seven more she should answer.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing out there that Chris Siliza cannot get

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Speaker 1: wrong or get right and then correct himself, so he

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Speaker 1: remains wrong, or get wrong and right, or get right

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Speaker 1: and then correct it and then correct the correction, so

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Speaker 1: he winds up being wrong seventy five percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: He insisted that the models said Trump had not even

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Speaker 1: the slightest chance of reelection. He wrote this at the

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Speaker 1: end of September twenty twenty. The models must have been

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Speaker 1: Zulander and Giselle Bunchin. He predicted a Republican red wave

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Speaker 1: weeks before the twenty twenty two mid terms. He said

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Speaker 1: that when she would not put Jim Jordan and Jim

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Speaker 1: Banks on it, Nancy Pelosi, let me get the exact

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Speaker 1: quote doomed the already tiny chances of the January sixth

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Speaker 1: committee actually mattering. And then the first time we mentioned

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Speaker 1: him here in this podcast November of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: the House Majority whip Jim Clyburn, south Carolina history degree

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Speaker 1: from South Carolina State history teacher in high school, said

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Speaker 1: on Fox the facts are very clear. I've studied history

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Speaker 1: all of my life. I've taught history, and I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you what I see here are parallels to what the

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Speaker 1: history was in this world back in the nineteen thirties,

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Speaker 1: in Germany and in Italy. And Chris Silizza knew better

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Speaker 1: than Jim Clyburn because Chrystaliza is a very serious political reporter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at all the extensive coverage he did

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Speaker 1: of the Hillary Clinton email story and how decisive that

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Speaker 1: was in the election. That proves he was right right. Also,

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Speaker 1: he hosts Political Trivia Night, and he went to Georgetown.

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Speaker 1: Chrystal is A wrote after Jim Cliburn said, Hey, this

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Speaker 1: looks like Nazi Germany, like in nineteen thirty two, so

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Speaker 1: pre Nazi Germany or Italy before Mussolini started wearing the

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Speaker 1: uniform and killing people. Krystal Is a wrote less than

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Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. I guess about a

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Speaker 1: year and a half ago. Rule Number one of politics

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Speaker 1: goes like this, don't compare anything to Nazi Germany. Just don't.

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Speaker 1: Before we go any further, it's worth voting here that

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Speaker 1: comparing anything to the Nazi regime, which led to the

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Speaker 1: systemic murder of more than six million Jews is a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It just is. There is nothing in our current moment

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Speaker 1: that suggests we are anywhere close to that. Well, of course,

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Speaker 1: the whole point of what Cliburn was saying was he

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Speaker 1: was not comparing Hitler to the current moment of November

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. He was comparing it to our immediate future.

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Speaker 1: He was comparing the Hitler of nineteen thirty to our

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Speaker 1: America of twenty twenty two, and thus of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: what is ahead for us? What I see here are

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Speaker 1: parallels to what the history was in this world back

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties in Germany, in Italy. He didn't

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Speaker 1: mention the Nazis. Chris Eliza did. Then. At about the

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Speaker 1: same time, there was this tweet that went out, America

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Speaker 1: needs a total cleansing. Only Trump can do with the

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Speaker 1: help of true patriots. Herschel Walker sent that it was

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Speaker 1: in response to the nut job lawyer Lynn Wood, who

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Speaker 1: had tweeted calling for the execution of Mike Pants by

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Speaker 1: a firing squad in November twenty twenty two. The response

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Speaker 1: from Chrystalizit of that was the election deniers like Herschel

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Speaker 1: total cleansing of America Walker quote, represent a serious threat

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Speaker 1: to our way of life. After all, if we can't

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Speaker 1: accept that our leaders were fairly elected and have faith

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Speaker 1: in the system, it's very hard to imagine how we

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Speaker 1: can expect anyone to effectively govern. That's see, that's what

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Speaker 1: would be wrong with a fascist coup to overturn a

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Speaker 1: democratic election and install a loser as winner, and do

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Speaker 1: heaven knows what to the actual elected president. That's the

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Speaker 1: problem there. It would interfere with governance. The lines at

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Speaker 1: the Department of Motor Vehicles would quadruple if there were

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Speaker 1: a civil war going on or a coup, or if

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Speaker 1: there were tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue and chrys Salissa

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Speaker 1: was at the DMZ. Imagine the inconvenience for Americans trying

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Speaker 1: to report for jury duty. Now, I'm not going to say,

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Speaker 1: ignored the idea that there might be a fascist coup.

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Speaker 1: He did address this another fascist coup, which is bad

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Speaker 1: exclamation point very bad. See. You know it's more important

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Speaker 1: because he used it very on the second reference. But

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Speaker 1: it's also worth remembering that democracy held in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: even while it was under active assault from Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and his minions. Again, the man who helped bring you

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Speaker 1: but her emails is saying, what do you mean attempted murder?

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Speaker 1: He's not dead, is he? Quote. We absolutely should be

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Speaker 1: vigilant about the potential rise of authoritarian politicians who would

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Speaker 1: wipe out things like the rule of law to further

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Speaker 1: their own political ambitions. But let's stop making the Nazi

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Speaker 1: Germany comparisons for all of our sakes politicians who would

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Speaker 1: wipe out things like the rule of law, because there's

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Speaker 1: lots of other things they could do that would have

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Speaker 1: as much damage as wiping out the rule of law. Again,

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Speaker 1: tanks blocking Chris's way into the DMV, that would really

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Speaker 1: be a tragedy. I mean, what would happen. What would

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Speaker 1: happen if he was going back to the world's only

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Speaker 1: remaining blockbuster with that copy of Jerry Maguire that he'd

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Speaker 1: little bit corner. What if he was trying to return

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Speaker 1: it and they were cooping out there in the street

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Speaker 1: and he couldn't return the VHS. I mean, it's probably

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Speaker 1: the only VHS copy. What if it got damaged. What

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Speaker 1: if they shot up his car and you know, nobody

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Speaker 1: was hurt, But the VHS copy, the videotape of Jerry

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Speaker 1: maguire were the last living copy of Jerry McGuire. I mean,

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Speaker 1: isn't anybody going to think of Tom Cruise? Won't somebody

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Speaker 1: think about Tom Cruise's work gone forever because of this coup?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we have to worry about,

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Speaker 1: politicians who would wipe out things like the last copy

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Speaker 1: of Jerry McGuire. But let's stop making the Nazi Germany

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Speaker 1: comparison for all of our sakes. Even though Trump keeps

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Speaker 1: quoting Hitler, even though Trump kept a copy of Hitler's

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Speaker 1: speeches by his bed. The next day, after Solissa wrote

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Speaker 1: by an American neo Nazi pedophile, and the day after that,

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Speaker 1: Musk tweeted a photo of a Nazi soldier from nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty Chris Solissa Mission statement. Hillary Clinton finally apologizes for

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Speaker 1: her private email server. What took so long? September eighth,

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Hillary Clinton's apology interview annotated September ninth, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's worst week in Washington August twenty first, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Now you know what, the whole fifty two fifty six

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Speaker 1: sixty weeks stretch from about that headline through November of

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, those are all tied Hillary Clinton's worst week

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Speaker 1: in Washington, and in fact, those are all tied for

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Speaker 1: to that point America's worst week in Washington, and people

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Speaker 1: like chrystal As are responsible for it, and never in

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Speaker 1: their lives will they ever understand this. If you could

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Speaker 1: actually claim that your mission statement should include I will

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Speaker 1: never write things for clicks or to add subscribers who

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Speaker 1: want red meat thrown at them. I will always show

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Speaker 1: my work and how I got to my conclusions. I

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Speaker 1: will admit when I got it wrong and explain how

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Speaker 1: and why it happened, Chrystal is a literally nine years

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Speaker 1: after he was as wrong as anybody in American journalism

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Speaker 1: could be wrong. Doesn't he even know that this is

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Speaker 1: will never talk down to you or assue I know better.

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Speaker 1: Except for these fifty articles about Hillary Clinton's emails in

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Speaker 1: just that six month period, that's not even the whole list.

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Speaker 1: So reading all this, I was thinking about asking Chrys

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Speaker 1: salis If for a comment to put in this podcast

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Speaker 1: about how these stories Hillary couldn't finally apologizes for a

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Speaker 1: private email server, what took so long? And the upcoming

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Speaker 1: looking back at the ten year anniversary of Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I could ask him about that.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of sending him an email. What do

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Speaker 1: you think to the number one story on the Countdown?

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Speaker 1: And it's Friday and the weekend edition, so that means

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Speaker 1: a little more James Thurber for you. James Thurber had

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Speaker 1: many full time jobs. He was a street reporter, for

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Speaker 1: the Columbus Dispatch and later the New York Post, and

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Speaker 1: he was an editor of The New Yorker long before

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Speaker 1: he was a writer or cartoonist there, and people kept

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Speaker 1: trying to make him into a radio star, leading to

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Speaker 1: a short story which is understandably one of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it speaks of broadcasting in another world

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Speaker 1: and of course another century. But it is amazing how

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Speaker 1: much of what you will hear now is still true today.

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Speaker 1: From the May fifth, nineteen thirty four edition of The

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Speaker 1: New Yorker, How to Relax while Broadcasting by James Thurber,

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Speaker 1: the evening I went up to the studios for my

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Speaker 1: to the seventeenth floor, because elevators in broadcasting buildings are

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Speaker 1: always crowded with small Italian musicians carrying cellos. And furthermore,

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Speaker 1: when the up sign above the elevators in these buildings

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Speaker 1: usually says down, and before you can think, you find

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Speaker 1: sixteenth floor, marked stairs, and stepped out into a cold,

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Speaker 1: behind me too. I began to beat on it and

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Speaker 1: kick it from far off. A faint voice came to me,

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Speaker 1: finally saying, cut that out. The only thing to do

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Speaker 1: I did, but the door out into the lobby was

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Speaker 1: I went down into the basement, which was dark and gloomy,

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Speaker 1: I told him I didn't have a pass. He thought awhile,

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Speaker 1: I said I didn't think so. He was pretty much

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Speaker 1: alarmed by the but he took me up to the

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Speaker 1: seventeenth floor after warning me never to come down to

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Speaker 1: the basement again without a pass. There was nobody on

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth floor who understood my case, although the people

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Speaker 1: was the twenty seventh floor. Up there, I found some

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Speaker 1: people I had met before, but they were pretty busy

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Speaker 1: I said I wasn't sure, and he said to follow him.

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Speaker 1: I was shown into an office where there were some

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Speaker 1: the officials was denying a story somebody had been telling

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Speaker 1: about a man who fell dead in front of the microphone.

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Speaker 1: It seems he had merely had a stroke. In a

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Speaker 1: little while, I was led in a solemn march to

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Speaker 1: a small and lonely studio, heavily draped and silent. I

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Speaker 1: took out a cigarette, but saw a sign saying no smoking,

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Speaker 1: so I put the cigarette away again. Some men in

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Speaker 1: I could see their lips move, but I couldn't hear anything.

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Speaker 1: A man tiptoed into the room where I was and

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Speaker 1: shook hands with me, and tiptoed out again. He never

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Speaker 1: came back. I walked over to a regular microphone, such

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Speaker 1: had got used to. But somebody led me away from

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Speaker 1: that said I was to talk over a table microphone

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Speaker 1: because it would help me to relax. This turned out

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Speaker 1: to be a table about the size of a card table,

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Speaker 1: with a microphone set innocently in its center, face up,

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Speaker 1: more or less like an ash tray. It studied simplicity

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Speaker 1: caused me to tighten up slightly, and I meant this

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Speaker 1: to a man. Be it your ease, he said. I

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Speaker 1: stood over the table, grasped its edges firmly and leaned

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Speaker 1: down toward the microphone. Someone grasped me, no, no, he said,

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Speaker 1: a chair at a table, especially a card table at

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Speaker 1: which nobody else is sitting. Relax, said someone with a

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Speaker 1: note of command. I slumped back in the chair and

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Speaker 1: placed on the table the papers I was going to

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Speaker 1: use and began fussing with them. Sh somebody hissed, don't

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Speaker 1: rustle them. This is a very highly sensitized mic which

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Speaker 1: picks up every slightest sound. It would sound like a

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Speaker 1: waterfalls if you rustled them. I began to drum my

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Speaker 1: fingers on the tabletop, but a courteous official put his

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Speaker 1: hand on mine and stopped that tapping would sound black

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Speaker 1: cavalry crossing a bridge to your listeners, He explained, just

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Speaker 1: take it easy. I leaned back in my chair and

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Speaker 1: a moment, an announcer came in and said we were

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Speaker 1: all ready to go. Okay, I said, standing up, let's

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Speaker 1: get out. He smiled with calm assurance and said no.

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Speaker 1: He meant that we were about to start the program.

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Speaker 1: Everybody but him tiptoed out of the room. I sat

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Speaker 1: watching me from the control room. Somebody in there raised

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Speaker 1: his hand sharply and let it drop sharply. I expected

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Speaker 1: to hear the faint hiss of lethal gas escaping into

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Speaker 1: the chamber, but instead the announcer started to talk. I

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Speaker 1: creaked nervously in the chair at this, and the listeners heard,

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Speaker 1: along with his calm announcement, the sound of a buckboard

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Speaker 1: falling over a cliff. Finally, he pointed a finger at me.

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Speaker 1: I sat bolt up and began to talk to the ashtray.

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Speaker 1: When it was all over, everybody tiptoed whisperingly into the

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Speaker 1: room and congratulated me on being only five seconds too slow.

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Speaker 1: Not bad for a beginner. The record is one five

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Speaker 1: hundredth of a second. I got up and started it

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Speaker 1: out of the room, but a man followed me and

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Speaker 1: took me by the arm. Where are you going, he asked,

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Speaker 1: Let's all go out and get a drink. I said,

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Speaker 1: but you haven't got time, he said. All this has

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Speaker 1: just been the rehearsal. I must have tightened up horribly

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Speaker 1: at that, for he said soothingly, take it easy. You

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Speaker 1: got plenty of time to relax in He looked at

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Speaker 1: his wristwatch. You got four minutes. I've done all the

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Speaker 1: damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. Countdown.

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Speaker 1: Musical directors Brian Ray and John Phillips Chanel arranged, produced,

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Speaker 1: including some of the Beethoven compositions, arranged and performed by

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Speaker 1: the group No Horns Allowed. The sports music is the

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Speaker 1: Olberman theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis

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Speaker 1: courtesy of ESPN Inc. ESPN ESPN. How could you misspell

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Speaker 1: way it sounds ESPN ESPN. Our satirical and pithy musical

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Speaker 1: comments are by Nancy Fauss, the best baseball stadium organist ever.

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Speaker 1: At our announcer today was my friend Nancy Faust, everything

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Speaker 1: else pretty much my fault as usual. That's countdown for

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Speaker 1: this the one hundred and seventy third day until the

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Speaker 1: two tenty twenty four presidential election, the two and twenty

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Speaker 1: eighth day since Dictator Jay Trump's first attempted coup against

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Speaker 1: the democratically elected government of the United States. Use the

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Speaker 1: legal system, use the mental health system, use presidential immunity

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Speaker 1: if the Supreme Court makes it up. Use the not

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Speaker 1: regularly given elector objection option to stop him from doing

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Speaker 1: it again while we still can. The next scheduled countdown

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Speaker 1: is Tuesday. The throat may be on the mend, the

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Speaker 1: sinus infection may be on the run. Hopefully I'll be

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Speaker 1: at seventy five percent by then. Whenever the next one

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Speaker 1: is till the next one, I'm Keith Olverman. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, good night, and what about her emails? Countdown

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Speaker 1: with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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