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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen

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Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anus Williams. Hi

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Speaker 1: and when Williams. Welcome to Part two. Today is a treat.

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Speaker 1: So I'm here with Mark Pattison. Listen in. Here's the

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Speaker 1: deal and here's the secret. The secret is this, and

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Speaker 1: this has to do with football, This has to do

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Speaker 1: with mountain climbing, This has to do with business. Is

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Speaker 1: that success leaves clues and if you have the power

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Speaker 1: of curiosity and you want to look out there, it

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Speaker 1: will point you to the road that you need to

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Speaker 1: go down to figure it out. But you've got to

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Speaker 1: keep asking the question how how It's like caught it

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Speaker 1: when she was young? You know why you know that

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Speaker 1: three year old face? You have four kids that when

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Speaker 1: they're there and why why? How? How come you know?

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Speaker 1: And because kids, you know, they're just like you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure it all out. Everything is new. You know,

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Speaker 1: the sun comes out, that's new, it rains, it snows,

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Speaker 1: that's all new. What's this? And if you you follow

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Speaker 1: that same mindset, you know that will lead you to

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Speaker 1: where you need to be. But you've got to keep

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Speaker 1: going and you can't sit there and play the pity

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Speaker 1: game about what am I gonna do now? And how

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Speaker 1: do I get here? And all this stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's where you go outside. You know what am

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Speaker 1: I going to do about it? And that I think

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Speaker 1: is where you really started to transform and where you

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Speaker 1: want to go. So how would you share that with

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Speaker 1: legends that are listening? That may be stuff that may

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Speaker 1: have gotten quote unquote thrown out. Well, I think again

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Speaker 1: going back to some of the things that we talked about,

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Speaker 1: which is one the trust UM seems like they put

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Speaker 1: together a lot of really fantastic programs to help UM

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Speaker 1: from the psychological to the physical to actual programs from

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Speaker 1: broadcasting to business so these other places that in resources

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Speaker 1: that you can tap into which we didn't have back

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Speaker 1: in the day. So did you take advantage of any

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Speaker 1: of those knowledge you know that they're available with a legend? Um? No,

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Speaker 1: because I have my business career was already well done

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Speaker 1: the tracks, right, and so that wasn't you know, So

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. But you know, I've I've certainly been I've

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Speaker 1: kept in touch with the trust and UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: other benefits like a free y m C, a membership

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Speaker 1: right I've tapped into right in some Valley, Idaho, and

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Speaker 1: and other things like that. Um, some little perks. So UM,

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Speaker 1: it's been more about that. But you know, whether it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's me mentoring somebody or having a podcast like this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you this with certainty, is

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Speaker 1: that every single day I listened to things in my

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Speaker 1: brain on podcasts mostly that that helped fuel some kind

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Speaker 1: of learning. And I've I've I've come away with listening

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Speaker 1: to a lot of podcasts here on your show, and

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Speaker 1: I also have come away from a lot of other

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Speaker 1: shows of like, well, that's an interesting way to think

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Speaker 1: about things. And so as long as I always have

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Speaker 1: positivity going in my brain about trying to learn and grow,

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Speaker 1: I think you're on the right course. How did you

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Speaker 1: connect reconnect with the Legends community and how did you

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Speaker 1: connect with the Legends community? Um? You know what I

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Speaker 1: can't even remember. I mean, I think the Legends has

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Speaker 1: has done a really good job of trying to aggregate

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Speaker 1: a lot of emails, and so there's correspondence in terms

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Speaker 1: of the newsletter that I get on. I think Tracy

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Speaker 1: Perlman and her group of them fantastic. Um. I was

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Speaker 1: off of Vincent Antarctica, and Claudette and I had flown

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Speaker 1: it seems like that the most amazing. Another gift that's

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Speaker 1: guy who played thirty years ago, my climbing and trying

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Speaker 1: to become the NFL player ever climbed the seven Summits

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Speaker 1: has made my football days a little bit relevant again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the there's a thought they came him in mind as

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Speaker 1: I was listening to you thirty years out climbing you

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Speaker 1: heard a podcast because I asked you, how did you

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Speaker 1: find out about this podcast? So you listen to a podcast,

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Speaker 1: I think this goes back to like life and when

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Speaker 1: reached out. You asked Melissa, your assistant, how many times

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Speaker 1: I've reached out to her? I'm a royal pain in

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Speaker 1: her ass? Yeah? Over ten? Yeah, easy, you just I

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Speaker 1: just I just have this mindset. And my daughter Claude

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Speaker 1: has followed me and this and this, which I love

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Speaker 1: her because she's a little girl. Get her about this.

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Speaker 1: So it is until you tell me now, which I'm

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Speaker 1: totally good with that answer. Until you tell me no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to consider it maybe or yes. And that's

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Speaker 1: just the way when you approach things like that in

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Speaker 1: if if the answer is no, I'm totally cool with

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Speaker 1: that too. But you guys said yes, thank you exactly,

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Speaker 1: So for me, no, it's just for today. It don't

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Speaker 1: mean always, so I may call it you next week

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Speaker 1: as well. The curiosity I thought that you shared. This

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Speaker 1: and uh and changes in our lives. Someone transition here

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Speaker 1: as we close out and preparing for Mount Everest, take

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Speaker 1: me through how you train and prepare for something like that.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty massive. Um. Well, the first thing is is

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