Speaker 1: This is a Wells cast with Wells, Adams and I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio podcast. Do you guys missed me? You're like,
Speaker 1: is Wells? Okay, we're concerned about as well being as
Speaker 1: you should have been because your boy was m I
Speaker 1: a guess I can talk about it now. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I assume you guys figured what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was gone. I was filming a reality TV show
Speaker 1: called Bachelor in Paradise. Not sure if you've heard of it.
Speaker 1: If you haven't, you should tune in ABC starting August six.
Speaker 1: I'll be there if you are a big fan of
Speaker 1: a bachelorom Paradise. Today was actually a big day because
Speaker 1: they announced the cast, so I can talk about who
Speaker 1: I had to bartend for this year and say things
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry if you did not receive Rose, please
Speaker 1: take a moment and say your goodbyes, which is harder
Speaker 1: than you think. Actually, I'm being completely honest. So here's
Speaker 1: who ABC released as the Bachelor in Paradise cast. And
Speaker 1: just so you know, there will be more people coming
Speaker 1: than that was released today, because obviously some people are
Speaker 1: still on Katie season. And if you announced that they
Speaker 1: will are in Bachelor in Paradise, then you know that
Speaker 1: they will, not, of course, win the love of Katie
Speaker 1: Thurston at the end of the bat Shore. But here's
Speaker 1: who they can announce. Got Abigail America sweetheart, got a lover.
Speaker 1: You got Brendan Deandra Sweetie. You got Ivan just sena
Speaker 1: grocery store Joe Carl with the k Kelsey a k
Speaker 1: a champagne gate. You got boy band manager also known
Speaker 1: as Kenny with great hair. You got Mari. You've got Marissa.
Speaker 1: You got Natasha. We got Young Noah, A Serena another Serena.
Speaker 1: You've got the Tajuan. I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: ta Juan, but last time she came to Paradise, she
Speaker 1: couldn't stop sweating. She freaked out on some crabs. Understandable,
Speaker 1: she yelled into the ocean, she ate spaghetti in the
Speaker 1: pool and then left all within like twenty minutes of
Speaker 1: getting there. Who else is coming, Oh, Queen Victoria will
Speaker 1: be there. And speaking of Victoria's Victoria Paul. And that
Speaker 1: is the announcement that ABC made the day. And I
Speaker 1: guess I haven't been on the show since they announced it.
Speaker 1: I'll be bartending and then I'll also be doing other
Speaker 1: stuff there. The official role is master of ceremonies, which
Speaker 1: is funny because I am a master of nothing. Maybe
Speaker 1: a master of baters. Oh that's a whack off joke. Anyways,
Speaker 1: excited for that to come out. I think you guys
Speaker 1: are really gonna love the season. It's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be drama, it's gonna be romance, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be all those things. Speaking of whoa Hills last night, Bro,
Speaker 1: what happened the Pratts getting not crazy? They did a
Speaker 1: center their chakras. Man, they need to throw some more
Speaker 1: crystals around their neck because guys, you're going harden the paints.
Speaker 1: It seems like you're kind of vosh de siding yourself
Speaker 1: from the group, just saying and the guy that was
Speaker 1: kind of that. The epicenter of all the Pratt drama
Speaker 1: is Jason Waller, who is going to be my guest
Speaker 1: on this show today. Big thing to Amy and Danielle
Speaker 1: for filling in last week when they had Ashley, Jason's
Speaker 1: lovely wife on the show and she dropped some bombs.
Speaker 1: Dude talking about how's the group chat that the Prats
Speaker 1: aren't in, talking about how they all get together with
Speaker 1: the Prats don't come, kind of crazy, kind of juicy.
Speaker 1: We've had Jason on before and he's always been super honest,
Speaker 1: super transparent, love the dude to death, but I kind
Speaker 1: of felt bad for him in the episode last night.
Speaker 1: It seems like people are coming at him hard, making
Speaker 1: up stuff that's not true. Also on cool if you're
Speaker 1: a recovering addict like he is. So we're gonna take
Speaker 1: on the entire thing. Oh also, we're gonna have someone
Speaker 1: from c S two key on the show as well,
Speaker 1: because we're just talking all weird MTV shows at this point.
Speaker 1: Soon we're gonna do like a check in with Rob
Speaker 1: Dear Dick about ridiculousness and then like's it Tiffany Amberthessen,
Speaker 1: who's unlike delicious nous and now there's like a cutiness.
Speaker 1: They're just taking ship that works and repackaging it at
Speaker 1: this point. Ain't broke, don't fix. That's what my dad
Speaker 1: always says. All right, break, come back, Jason. We gotta
Speaker 1: know what's going on, bro because that was crazy last night.
Speaker 1: Over there, back and better than ever. The Man, the
Speaker 1: midth the Legend, my favorite person to ever come on.
Speaker 1: The Hills Cast, Slash Wells Cast, Jason Waller, how are you,
Speaker 1: my man, good man? How are you appreciate you having
Speaker 1: me back? Yeah? I mean I was out of town.
Speaker 1: I was I was working over in Mexico filming b
Speaker 1: I p so Amy and I believe Dan Yelle filled
Speaker 1: in for me last week and they had your beautiful
Speaker 1: bride on the show and I was listening back and
Speaker 1: your girl didn't hold me punches last week, and I
Speaker 1: kind of loved it. Well, no, man, I mean, enough
Speaker 1: gets too enough. And we fought very hard for where
Speaker 1: we're at. When you talk about very sensitive stuff that
Speaker 1: we've lived through, and and uh, you hear those typ
Speaker 1: of things, Um, you know it's you're going to get
Speaker 1: the real raw side. It's you know, there was some
Speaker 1: there was some very hurtful moments that as that transpired.
Speaker 1: We had you on the show earlier in this season,
Speaker 1: and you kind of teed it up for us, or
Speaker 1: teased it a little bit, and then seeing it, I
Speaker 1: think I was even a little more disgusted by it,
Speaker 1: if I'm being completely honest with you. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, your recovery on this show, and
Speaker 1: I've always applauded you for just how honest you are
Speaker 1: and how transparent you are amidst a world of people
Speaker 1: who I think are less than that. I think I
Speaker 1: told you maybe last season that it's something that hits
Speaker 1: home for me because I lost two cousins to substance
Speaker 1: abuse issues, and it's so not something to joke around
Speaker 1: about or make light of or even use against people
Speaker 1: in arguments. And when Spencer said what he said at
Speaker 1: that dinner party, I was like, you really cross the
Speaker 1: line here, regardless of who's right or who's wrong. That
Speaker 1: was very very out of bounds. And it was funny
Speaker 1: to see the group collectively go, WHOA not cool? It
Speaker 1: was next level, dude, It was next level. And I
Speaker 1: think the biggest part of that is is for those
Speaker 1: that don't remember, is we were trying to develop a
Speaker 1: relationship last season, right We were trying to be open
Speaker 1: and friendly with the Rats, and I opened up to
Speaker 1: him about some very vulnerable stuff and he ended up
Speaker 1: utilizing using that as Ammo down the road. It's just
Speaker 1: totally unacceptable, totally uncalled for. And it just goes to
Speaker 1: show that how you know, uneducated and naive they are
Speaker 1: when it comes to substance abuse, some mental health and
Speaker 1: what people really go through on a on a daily struggle.
Speaker 1: Like you said, seeing the cast response to it was
Speaker 1: basically what you you know, all you needed to see
Speaker 1: of how distasteful and disrespectful it was. It just seems
Speaker 1: like that no one really wants to be friends with them,
Speaker 1: like they're just kind of there because they're a part
Speaker 1: of the show. Everyone's kind of done with their ship.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but also, I mean you can see through
Speaker 1: this the episode, it's people don't also just don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with the wrath of them because it becomes
Speaker 1: you become an obsessive target. Whereas for us is like, dude,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stick up for what's right. You know, We're
Speaker 1: not we could care less and getting into it with them,
Speaker 1: but we're also going to stand our ground. We're not
Speaker 1: going to tolerate their craft. Dude, it's childish and to
Speaker 1: get engaged with that. Unfortunately, it was a big part
Speaker 1: of our life. I mean, we were around them for
Speaker 1: you know, the last thirteen months, and it's not just
Speaker 1: as easy as being able to separate from that, especially
Speaker 1: when you constantly hear it. And I think the really
Speaker 1: sad part is is it was actually a lot worse
Speaker 1: than what they even showed. There was. There was more
Speaker 1: that you did not see. Me and Ashley kind of
Speaker 1: looked at each other last night we watched and we're like, wow,
Speaker 1: they didn't even There was a lot more stuff. The
Speaker 1: comment that they made, you know, the big the big
Speaker 1: thing that Spencer said it was around the relapse and
Speaker 1: different stuff like that. But there were still comments and
Speaker 1: conversations that I'm surprised they didn't show to even show
Speaker 1: you know, how distasteful it really got. So it was
Speaker 1: worse than what we saw. It was worse, yes, and
Speaker 1: much longer. It was probably I want to say, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it seven to ten minute conversation that
Speaker 1: ended up taking place to the point of where Hide
Speaker 1: and Spencer were you know, booed out basically really yeah, man.
Speaker 1: It was to the point where I've done these shows
Speaker 1: for since two thousand five, right, and I've never had
Speaker 1: producers come up to us after and be like you,
Speaker 1: like literally like in tears, like are you guys okay?
Speaker 1: It was a gnarly, gnarly moment. I'm not looking for
Speaker 1: something like look, the last thing in the world that's
Speaker 1: gonna get under my skin and drive me to a
Speaker 1: bad place is going to be Spencer hide, It's not
Speaker 1: going to be the case. But it was. You know,
Speaker 1: it was just very distasteful and it's very disrespectful. I
Speaker 1: applaud you for keeping your cool. I relate so much
Speaker 1: to your wife because it seems like she was just
Speaker 1: like what and like lost in mind, like gloves off,
Speaker 1: like what do to say? Right? You were super cool,
Speaker 1: Like I was amazed at like how chill you were,
Speaker 1: but you did say something funny where you were like
Speaker 1: you're the same weirdo that you were fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: which I think every week that I just wonder if
Speaker 1: like there was some response to that that we didn't see,
Speaker 1: because I just kind of rolled out when you said that. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: it was it was priceless. He came back with like
Speaker 1: trying to throw some more low blows at Ashley and I,
Speaker 1: and it just got to the point where I just
Speaker 1: looked at him and I said, Spencer, go kick rocks
Speaker 1: bro like you're you're it's not even worth our time,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's really where it was at is
Speaker 1: it was very frustrating. It was very hard to try
Speaker 1: to stay in that state of mind. But I just
Speaker 1: constantly had to keep saying to myself like, he's not
Speaker 1: worth it, He's not worth it. Stay calm, stay cool,
Speaker 1: stay clay. And I literally was just replaying that in
Speaker 1: my head because he's not you know, it's it's not
Speaker 1: and I know what the I think. That's what it
Speaker 1: comes down to is I know the truth. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I know where I'm at in my life and my journey,
Speaker 1: and I know where my family's at. I were very happy,
Speaker 1: very content, you know, not to sound contradicting. The real
Speaker 1: triggering factor of this is when you become open and
Speaker 1: vulnerable with somebody and they use use it against you.
Speaker 1: It's it's just that's where I guess shame on me,
Speaker 1: right for expecting them to do other than what they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should never weaponize someone's vulnerability. That's just not a
Speaker 1: cool thing. I have a theory, okay, and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna throw it out there. You can you can engage,
Speaker 1: or you can let it pass. Justin Bobby and Brody
Speaker 1: are talking about the blow up like on the ski
Speaker 1: mountain when they're like tubing or whatever. You know, Brody
Speaker 1: keeps on being like, well, you know, like Spencer's my boy,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't want to get in the
Speaker 1: middle of it. And I'm sitting there thinking Spencer's got
Speaker 1: some dirt on Brody and he just doesn't want to
Speaker 1: get in the crosshairs and have that happened to him
Speaker 1: on TV. The rest of the cast, I really like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say that. You know, I really enjoy their company. They're
Speaker 1: good people. I don't know what it is. I just
Speaker 1: think that the majority of the cast does not want
Speaker 1: to get in the middle of the wrap, whatever that
Speaker 1: may be. Because I mean, you hear that people say
Speaker 1: that often, is that they just don't want to be
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. Because the Prats are very,
Speaker 1: very resilient when it comes to wanting to get across
Speaker 1: a message, whether it be true or not. I wonder
Speaker 1: if they're gonna be victims of their own circumstances, like
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a hand in building their own demise.
Speaker 1: It's very obvious that they very desperately want to stay
Speaker 1: in the spotlight. Their show is called like make Spidy
Speaker 1: Famous Again or what you know, It's very very obvious
Speaker 1: like what they're trying to do, and I applaud them
Speaker 1: for that, like they're very laser focused on it. They've
Speaker 1: been for a very long time positive affirmation for bad
Speaker 1: behavior in their mind. How to continue to be on
Speaker 1: this show and continue to be relevant on the Hills
Speaker 1: is to constantly kind of like stir up drama. I
Speaker 1: wonder if eventually people are gonna be like, dude, you
Speaker 1: can't be on this thing if you're not friends with
Speaker 1: any of us anymore, Like it doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think it's also gotten to a
Speaker 1: point though, where it's it's very apparent to me, like
Speaker 1: really looking and sitting back and seeing this is like
Speaker 1: it's sad, man. I mean, they're they're sick, sick, lost individuals.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the way I see it. I mean
Speaker 1: I really feel bad for them, um, just based on
Speaker 1: what you're saying and what they're doing to try to
Speaker 1: gain that attention. Like my heart, honestly, like my heart
Speaker 1: goes out to them because I feel like they're very lost.
Speaker 1: It's taking me a long time to get to that place, um,
Speaker 1: you know, to really sympathize with that. But after looking
Speaker 1: at it, it's like I I hope them, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know where I'm Gonna I know where
Speaker 1: I'm drawing my boundary in my line of what I'm
Speaker 1: willing to engage and connect with them on, but which
Speaker 1: is is not being around them and not it's too toxic,
Speaker 1: you know, but I do feel for them. It's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's almost like there there's an addiction that's line within
Speaker 1: what they're dealing with. Yeah, there's some projection that's going
Speaker 1: on with kind of like all their accusations and vitriolit
Speaker 1: they spit. Have you heard all the stuff that they're
Speaker 1: saying about everybody on their podcasts? And I mean they're
Speaker 1: just talking to you about everybody who they going after
Speaker 1: the hardest. I assume you right. Actually me, Caroline Caitlin,
Speaker 1: I guess they were talking Actually just texted me a
Speaker 1: little bit ago. I forget the show that the protortist on,
Speaker 1: but they're talking prap about how you know, fake Justin
Speaker 1: is and how they probably rented a paramount you know,
Speaker 1: uh location for him to film his childhood home. Which
Speaker 1: that was the most real and authentic thing I think
Speaker 1: I've ever been a part of on any any show,
Speaker 1: from Gonna Beach or The Hills. That was like the
Speaker 1: real deal that those people really knew his mom, really
Speaker 1: knew his his siblings, and I mean, they're just throwing
Speaker 1: shade where It's just like, dude, not only is is
Speaker 1: you're making such false accusations, It's it's like, what is
Speaker 1: your point behind it? What are you trying to prove
Speaker 1: by saying those types of things. It's like they live
Speaker 1: in such a false like false reality that they don't
Speaker 1: even know what is true and false anymore. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: live in their own like echo chamber. At this point.
Speaker 1: The whole like blocking of people on social media is
Speaker 1: kind of stupid and silly, but also like kind of
Speaker 1: where we are in the world. I assume you have
Speaker 1: been blocked. Oh, of course, has everyone been blocked? I'm
Speaker 1: sure at some point I think that they you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a good chunk of them that are
Speaker 1: blocked now. But i'd have to ask everybody where they stand.
Speaker 1: But it's not the really the top of our priority list,
Speaker 1: because I think, actually they blocked me and I've never
Speaker 1: even met that. I've just did a show with the sister.
Speaker 1: One point. I remember thinking like, yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: oddest behavior, But well, it's funny you say that because
Speaker 1: we're all this like where everything turned with them is again,
Speaker 1: as we were cordial with them going into the second season,
Speaker 1: but Ashley did Stephanie's hair and she posted about it
Speaker 1: and everything got super weird after that. Like so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how deep that issue is, obviously it
Speaker 1: seems very deep, um, but it seems like that's where
Speaker 1: the tables turned, is when Ashley did Stephanie's hair. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that happened to you. I'm sorry it
Speaker 1: happened on television for the world to see, but I'm
Speaker 1: just proud of the way that you handled it. I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people would have been able
Speaker 1: to keep as cool under pressure as you were able
Speaker 1: to do. No, I appreciate that, man. But again, I
Speaker 1: think that this goes to anybody that's out there that
Speaker 1: you know, is struggling or that has recovery, that you can,
Speaker 1: you know, find a life of happiness and you can
Speaker 1: be content and be comfortable in your own skin. And
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, the where I was at
Speaker 1: when that happened was a true testament to having a
Speaker 1: program that was in place. I'm grateful because that's not
Speaker 1: how we were responded. When I'm under the if was
Speaker 1: under the influence had been totally different. Let alone, if
Speaker 1: I didn't work a program, it was rewarding, you know,
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't even hard to watch. It was
Speaker 1: more of I was able to look at it as like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm proud of where I'm at, you know, I
Speaker 1: was able to kind of take a negative situation and
Speaker 1: look at the positive. The one thing that like kind
Speaker 1: of kind of frustrates me about this reality show in
Speaker 1: particular is that, at least from like the world in
Speaker 1: which I come from, generally there's a hero edit and
Speaker 1: there's a villain edit. And I feel like, in this
Speaker 1: episode it's supposed to be the Pratts getting the villain edit,
Speaker 1: but then the next scene is them like cleansing their
Speaker 1: chakras with some like witch doctor who's banging drums and stuff.
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of me it was like,
Speaker 1: don't let them off like that. That's not right. If
Speaker 1: anyone should be doing that, it should be Jason and
Speaker 1: Ashley getting a couple's massage or something. You should be
Speaker 1: filming that. And that was something that just kind of
Speaker 1: but right, you know, we saw that, and we had
Speaker 1: no idea what this how I was going to pan
Speaker 1: out after you know it was shot, and to show
Speaker 1: that after it was it was just like come on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it was it was. It
Speaker 1: was annoying. It sucks because I think the night could
Speaker 1: have been so much fun. Murder Mystery dinner parties are
Speaker 1: really really fun and funny and you get to see
Speaker 1: people's just weird side. And I love Brandon so much,
Speaker 1: like he is kind of becoming my new favorite character
Speaker 1: on this show. There's a part of me that was
Speaker 1: like Brandon's like, this is my audition, full theater, and
Speaker 1: he came in like Mr Peanut, but like doing like
Speaker 1: this weird Swedish accent, and I was losing my mind
Speaker 1: and I was like, I know that this is like
Speaker 1: a serious night and we have to focus on like
Speaker 1: Jason and Spencer's fight, but like I just want to
Speaker 1: hear Brandon, like do more of this accent in like interview,
Speaker 1: get the more the backstory, Just tell me it was
Speaker 1: as funny as it seemed on my TV. It was
Speaker 1: better it was. That was the problem, is that whole
Speaker 1: night was actually really fun. I mean because we it
Speaker 1: was we shocked for a while before we went into
Speaker 1: that dinner scene, and you know Brandon, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: justin every single person was in character. It was fun
Speaker 1: to watch that. I wish they would have highlighted that more,
Speaker 1: but I mean, Brandon was priceless. He actually stayed through
Speaker 1: character into the next day. I mean this because he
Speaker 1: was so you know, so so so pumped on this
Speaker 1: this Olympic skier role. And we we still joke about
Speaker 1: it till the till this day. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: He is the person I've gotten closest to through this
Speaker 1: whole series. And you know, somebody I say in touch
Speaker 1: with were actually golfing on Monday, and he is a
Speaker 1: good dude, and I wish they showed more of that
Speaker 1: side of him. It seems like it's too bad it
Speaker 1: happened when it happened, because it looked like a like
Speaker 1: a really funny thing. Why don't you decide to do
Speaker 1: the painting exposition and not go skiing? Honestly did? I
Speaker 1: was so mentally just kind of burnt out after that, actually,
Speaker 1: and I didn't get the best night's sleep, and it
Speaker 1: was something where we just wanted to stay close to
Speaker 1: the hotel and just be more relaxed and dude, art,
Speaker 1: it's a good form of therapy. Man, It's a good
Speaker 1: way to calm the nerves. It's something that I've I've
Speaker 1: done in the past. I don't know, it's an arts chill.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of over just being around the
Speaker 1: group for that moment, you know. It was It's again
Speaker 1: nothing towards anybody. It was just more of a mental
Speaker 1: place for me or I wanted to just do some
Speaker 1: self care and just you know, have no no chaos.
Speaker 1: Was the group surprised at all that the Pratt's left
Speaker 1: the next day? I'd say the majority of the cast
Speaker 1: knew there, knew where they were going to leave, and
Speaker 1: or wanted them to leave. And then there was a
Speaker 1: couple of people that wanted to you know, their bomb
Speaker 1: that they left. Kind Of going forward into the episode,
Speaker 1: Caitlin was kind of commenting on the Adrina Brody of
Speaker 1: it all, and she said something that I thought was
Speaker 1: like really astute. She was just like, Audrina has got
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, wants to find a husband and
Speaker 1: a father, and she's with a guy who I can
Speaker 1: tell from personal experience doesn't want either of those things.
Speaker 1: Are you buying this whole relationship or is it just
Speaker 1: like a fun showmance now, dude. I mean there's such
Speaker 1: a long history there between those two, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I I think there's definitely a showmance,
Speaker 1: and I think that I think there's always been some
Speaker 1: you know, chemistry over the course of the years on
Speaker 1: and off between them. I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: deep it goes, but it's it seems like there's there's
Speaker 1: something they're going forward in the show. Because obviously you
Speaker 1: know what happens, and I don't want you to spoil anything,
Speaker 1: but like our fences mendedn't for people? Or is there
Speaker 1: just now like a big rift in the group? Oh knows,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't, Spencer apologized to No, I'm just kidding, bro.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, there's a huge rift Brothers. It creates
Speaker 1: the biggest wedge ever. You know, they're the last people
Speaker 1: that will ever take ownership or accountability for what was said. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's uh, it's it becomes a part of it
Speaker 1: becomes a problem, you know, it really becomes a problem.
Speaker 1: And uh, and how this moves forward? So is this
Speaker 1: now the storyline? There's there's some twist and turns. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there is a part of it that is
Speaker 1: there is a gap that is created between the group,
Speaker 1: but you also get to see who tries to make
Speaker 1: things right and who doesn't. Uh, And you know, I
Speaker 1: think there's some really cool things that are coming up
Speaker 1: that really can shed light and bring some attention in
Speaker 1: other areas that haven't been broughten on yet, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. I'm excited to see Justin Bobby's It was
Speaker 1: like tease that he has this conversation with his father
Speaker 1: and it looks like Justin Bobby's maturing or evolving or growing.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see his storyline because I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's been this kind of like sage advice
Speaker 1: guy for a while and it's almost like he's just
Speaker 1: kind of avoiding drama just because he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be involved in all of it. But I want to
Speaker 1: see more of him because they do feel like he
Speaker 1: is a very like compelling character. Justin is one of
Speaker 1: the most This season was incredible, incredible to you know,
Speaker 1: film with him. I learned more about him this season
Speaker 1: than I have over the you know whatever, the fifteen
Speaker 1: years of our friendship. I mean even for me just
Speaker 1: to kind of see how this onion be peeled back.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a a really really cool story
Speaker 1: behind it, and to see where he's at and where
Speaker 1: he goes through the rest of the season is empowering him.
Speaker 1: And I have a couple other cool scenes that I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about and hopefully they'll you know, shed some
Speaker 1: light and bring awareness to substance abuse some mental health.
Speaker 1: Like it's a tough two episodes in a row for
Speaker 1: the Wall or Clan. If this show continues on, are
Speaker 1: do you still want to be a part of it
Speaker 1: or are you starting to get a bad taste in
Speaker 1: your mouth from it? You know, great question, man, It's uh,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I think, for me,
Speaker 1: like what what would keep me going for this is
Speaker 1: the amount of people this is impacting because we've had
Speaker 1: a large number of people reach out that have uh
Speaker 1: struggled and or are struggling. And that was one of
Speaker 1: the biggest part of the reasons why I originally wanted
Speaker 1: to go back on the show is to show that
Speaker 1: you can't change your life and that you can, um,
Speaker 1: you know, you can obtain recovery and find a like
Speaker 1: a life that's worth living and UM and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of that is starting to come to fruition. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's some areas of question because of
Speaker 1: you notice, our own sanity and what we're willing to
Speaker 1: put ourselves uh into. But uh, I couldn't decide one
Speaker 1: way or the other right now, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's really where it is. But I mean, at the
Speaker 1: end of the days, I know, I think that we
Speaker 1: are making a uh you know, we're smashing stigma, we're
Speaker 1: raising awareness, and uh we're bringing light to recovery, which
Speaker 1: was ultimately the goal. If you were an EP on
Speaker 1: the show, what would you have the show focused on
Speaker 1: more than it already does. I mean, and all honestly,
Speaker 1: I'd bring back Kristen number one. Cavalery is the first
Speaker 1: thing I would do. And I would dive more into
Speaker 1: the more personal things that people are going through. I mean,
Speaker 1: even just like Frankie had an incredible story this year
Speaker 1: with you know, with COVID working in the nightlife industry,
Speaker 1: his whole world was turned upside down and what he
Speaker 1: had to do to pivot and how it affected his family.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was things in there that I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people could have related to. I think
Speaker 1: going a little bit deeper into people's relationships. I think
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of the cast of have
Speaker 1: some things that are relatable to what a lot of
Speaker 1: people have gone through, and I think it'd be interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of would be my thoughts. The
Speaker 1: more raw and authentic it can be, the better off
Speaker 1: always is. And I think again, as the cast has
Speaker 1: gone through a lot over the course of the years,
Speaker 1: especially the last year a year and a half, and
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of things that they could focus
Speaker 1: on if you were you know, in the edit ban
Speaker 1: and you could change things. What's something that you wish
Speaker 1: the show didn't focus on so so heavily. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of how the story was created
Speaker 1: about Ashley and the way that she, you know, is
Speaker 1: was conveyed about, you know, being so you know, nagging
Speaker 1: almost that it made it seem like towards Heidi and
Speaker 1: Spencer's drinking and stuff, that's not really what transpired. I
Speaker 1: think there was a lot more backstory to that. It
Speaker 1: made actually look, you know, more like she was pitching
Speaker 1: a lot about situations when when it was just it
Speaker 1: was really edited that way. So I think it would
Speaker 1: have been nice to have a lot of the conversations
Speaker 1: and the things that were said be conveyed to have
Speaker 1: actually say the things that she's saying, to really have
Speaker 1: a clear understanding of the storyline, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I also think that we could have done without
Speaker 1: Sean Stewart's dating scene. I thought that is uh something
Speaker 1: that could have not been there. But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I deal with this a lot where someone will come
Speaker 1: off a show and say, I got a really bad edit.
Speaker 1: They made me look X, Y and Z. That annoys
Speaker 1: me because it's really, really, really hard to create a
Speaker 1: storyline that didn't exist if people weren't talking about it
Speaker 1: or you weren't saying it or doing it. When you
Speaker 1: watch the show back, it looks like Spencer and Heidi
Speaker 1: like to drink. It seems very very evident that that
Speaker 1: is something that's happening every time they go out on
Speaker 1: that note. Real quick, if I may. It's like, we
Speaker 1: don't get more power to you. We don't care if
Speaker 1: you drink or not. I mean, and again, as we're
Speaker 1: entitled to our opinion. If you are drinking and you know, morning,
Speaker 1: day and night, and you become annoying, that's our opinion.
Speaker 1: We're not judging you. I mean, that's this when we're
Speaker 1: around you. It's something that obviously it's going to impact us,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have our own thought process around it.
Speaker 1: But we're not trying to, you know, say you're a
Speaker 1: bad parent, or any of these other things that they
Speaker 1: were manifesting or thinking that we said. It was just no,
Speaker 1: there was no truth to that. Well, I'm sorry about
Speaker 1: the episode last night. I'm sorry you had to go
Speaker 1: through it, but I'm glad that you kind of came
Speaker 1: out of it. My last question is are you still
Speaker 1: blocked by uh by the Pratts or do you know,
Speaker 1: are you able to d M them or not? Oh dude, no,
Speaker 1: I uh, I'm sure I'm still blocked. I haven't even looked.
Speaker 1: But it's all good. It's all good. You know, I
Speaker 1: still have their number, maybe they maybe they haven't blocked me,
Speaker 1: so I can shoot him a phone call. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: there was no text message sent out because you know,
Speaker 1: that was that was something that Heidi said. She was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Audrina has my number, she can call me.
Speaker 1: So you understand that, like if you felt like you
Speaker 1: were wrong that someone should reach out to you, so
Speaker 1: they'd never reach out to you being like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I had too much hosy querable last night and things
Speaker 1: got out of hand and I apologize. No, no text
Speaker 1: from the Pratts Man. You know, I'm not holding my
Speaker 1: breath either. What's going on in your life before I
Speaker 1: let you go? What can I help you promote? No, dude,
Speaker 1: I think the main thing that you know is the
Speaker 1: transition with the with the newborn baby. We got Wyatt
Speaker 1: who's been here for three weeks now, and just being
Speaker 1: there for for Ashley and Delilah and helping in every
Speaker 1: facet that I can, and you know, just still working
Speaker 1: on the Red Soburg Foundation and stuff with the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Mission and helping those that are struggling out there.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing that I'm doing, um, is trying
Speaker 1: to get people on a path of recovery. And that's
Speaker 1: just where it's at, you know, family gotten recoveries where
Speaker 1: I'm at right now. Bro, two kids? Bro? What the
Speaker 1: hell happened? God bless you? Bro? Yeah? Man, Well, I
Speaker 1: love you, man. It's always fun catching up with you.
Speaker 1: Good luck with the rest of the season. Obviously, You're
Speaker 1: always welcome. You honestly should just take over the show.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I do it. Let's go play
Speaker 1: golf sometime, Let's go hang out, let's get together. Man,
Speaker 1: welcome back. It sounds like everything's going good with you
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you having us on. Seriously. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: talking with you, man, and um, we'll see you later, bro,
Speaker 1: later Bro Jason is awesome. Man. Okay, so quick break
Speaker 1: and then when we come back, we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: catchup on CS two key. That's right, care from CS
Speaker 1: to key right here on the Wells Cast, don't go
Speaker 1: anywhere al right, back in the Wells Cast. One of
Speaker 1: the newest stars of c S two key. It's Care
Speaker 1: on the show. How are you good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm fantastic, I'm I'm happy to have you on. Just
Speaker 1: right off the bat, how are we feeling just watching
Speaker 1: yourself on television? Like every week? Oh god, I think
Speaker 1: everyone's in a grant that it's so cringe e to
Speaker 1: watch yourself, like whether it's a good scene, a bad scene,
Speaker 1: or blacked out that's even worse. But it's experience, you know,
Speaker 1: it's really something. I don't love it, but you know
Speaker 1: what you need to do is you need to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to you know, move yourself up in
Speaker 1: the ranks to where you're not the one getting blacked out.
Speaker 1: You're the one getting people blacked out by serving them
Speaker 1: bad drinks. And then it's actually quite fun to watch
Speaker 1: on television. Take it from me. You know, I'm learning.
Speaker 1: I gotta chill out on the hard alcohol. Can't. Can't
Speaker 1: pre game with the whole bottle of shardoning. I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: Do you have like drinking restrictions on your shelf? We
Speaker 1: didn't until very recently. We do. Now we get a
Speaker 1: drink ticket at parties. I think we're allowed three drinks,
Speaker 1: but I mean I feel like we get around that,
Speaker 1: you know, So you get three drinks is interesting because
Speaker 1: on the show that I do, I'm allowed to give
Speaker 1: them two drinks an hour. They come with like a
Speaker 1: watch and they're like, it's seven oh two, it's time
Speaker 1: for another round. So you guys only get like three
Speaker 1: drinks like per shoot. Yeah, if I'm remembering correctly, So
Speaker 1: we're getting literally drink tickets now that we have to
Speaker 1: give to the bartender. Yeah, we can use those as
Speaker 1: we wish, but I try to spread mine now. But
Speaker 1: a lot of people drink before three games are happening,
Speaker 1: so coming on that there's blasts hidden away in places
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't be hidden. Yeah, it's always tough because
Speaker 1: there's always like a little bit of anxiety when it
Speaker 1: comes into like filming reality, and like a drink or
Speaker 1: two like kind of knocks the edge off. But then
Speaker 1: you're always kind of like straddling the line of being
Speaker 1: a little too loosey goosey and then making real bad
Speaker 1: decisions or really great TV. It just depends on what happens.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's actually pretty hard to find that line.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your arrival. I feel like it caused
Speaker 1: a lot of drama. And I know because I've done
Speaker 1: enough shows that like sometimes like perception isn't reality. But
Speaker 1: did you feel unwelcome? Um, So I've told people this
Speaker 1: before I went into the whole situation, like coming to
Speaker 1: the island, I was pretty optimistic about it, which is
Speaker 1: rare for me. Everybody knows I'm really not optimistic about anything.
Speaker 1: But I was like, it'll be fine, Like I haven't
Speaker 1: seen these people in so long, Like people will be
Speaker 1: happy to see me. When I got there, and even
Speaker 1: toil medicine that I was like, yeah, like I have
Speaker 1: good intentions, like everything's gonna be fine, like whatever. When
Speaker 1: I got there, I felt extremely unwelcome, just because so
Speaker 1: many people had problems with the fact that I was
Speaker 1: even there and now I'm here, stuck on an island
Speaker 1: with all these people that apparently hate me for leaving
Speaker 1: or hated me before. Who he knows anymore, but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt extremely unwelcome. It was really uncomfortable for a
Speaker 1: while there. So like Garrett's new girlfriend gets like kind
Speaker 1: of aggressive. Did you feel like that was like unnecessary
Speaker 1: or valid? I mean, I knew, I thought to myself
Speaker 1: coming to the island. I was like, I know, Garrett's
Speaker 1: new girlfriend is there, Like I'm going to be nice
Speaker 1: to her. I'm sure she's gonna be uncomfortable with the situation,
Speaker 1: Like I would hate that too if I were her.
Speaker 1: So I really, as I said, like only good intentions.
Speaker 1: I heard she was really nice, so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I'm going to be nice to this girl,
Speaker 1: like there's no reason for me to go out of
Speaker 1: my way and be rude. So the second I sat
Speaker 1: down and she started attacking me, her like five ft
Speaker 1: one self, trying to like defend Garrett, which also I
Speaker 1: had no idea why Garrett and I had issues. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: that was extremely irritating, and everybody thinks I'm like such
Speaker 1: a bit and I'm so rude, But it's like, why
Speaker 1: am I going to be nice to people that are
Speaker 1: not nice to me? If you're initially not nice to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be nice. I just don't know what
Speaker 1: everyone expects, you know. Yeah, people just don't understand like
Speaker 1: the position you're put in, like to be like sat
Speaker 1: there in front of like Garrett and his new girlfriend
Speaker 1: and them having so many problems with me that I
Speaker 1: had no idea about. It was always weird. Are you
Speaker 1: on good terms with Garrett? Now? We are? So in
Speaker 1: the last night's episode, we kind of like, I guess
Speaker 1: I apologize at the end of the conversation. The conversation
Speaker 1: started with me like, again, I'm not really sure why
Speaker 1: we had problems, Um, but I guess I heard him
Speaker 1: towards the end of our relationship and didn't realize it
Speaker 1: or really I think I just didn't really care. Like
Speaker 1: my whole thing is like we've both moved on, like
Speaker 1: we're both with different people. So I just I didn't
Speaker 1: understand like the relevance of even having a conversation about
Speaker 1: like past things. Um, but he's just a lot more
Speaker 1: emotional than I am, which is hard for me to
Speaker 1: sympathize with sometimes, But I got there in the ends.
Speaker 1: We know that like you and Madison are on good terms.
Speaker 1: I guess my question is, like, where do you stand
Speaker 1: with like the rest of the group, I'm on good
Speaker 1: terms with Madison, Kelsey, Juliet, Georgiana, Amanda, and I think
Speaker 1: her on the fence. Maybe she's coming around to being
Speaker 1: friendly with me. Maybe not, I'm not really sure. Uh,
Speaker 1: Kenna not really friendly with don't really care to be
Speaker 1: friends with her. Who else is there? Oh, Cloly, Clelly,
Speaker 1: that's a whole nother situation. Not not friends, not even
Speaker 1: close to friends. Any opportunity in the future for you
Speaker 1: guys to become friends? Um no. I I have said
Speaker 1: this multiple times. I don't see a world where her
Speaker 1: and I are ever friends again, and I'm thoroughly happy
Speaker 1: with that. What is your on the Kelsey Juliet drama.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I was just talking to Jordana about this yesterday,
Speaker 1: so I know that Kelsey has no plans to ever
Speaker 1: be friends with Juliette again, and I was saying to Jordana.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's gonna be hard, just because like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be around each other all the time, Like
Speaker 1: eventually they're gonna be friends. And then I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I feel this way about Chloe,
Speaker 1: like never want to be friends with her again, but
Speaker 1: like we're gonna be around each other. So I think
Speaker 1: Juliet and Kelsey like staying there, staying apart, staying there
Speaker 1: separate ways. It's been working for them. I just don't
Speaker 1: know how long it's going to work for them because
Speaker 1: of the situations they're going to be put in, and
Speaker 1: when it comes to more specifics of like Juliet slapping
Speaker 1: Kelsey in the face, I don't think there's any room
Speaker 1: to defend Juliette on that end at all. Like on
Speaker 1: last night's episode where Amanda is trying to defend it.
Speaker 1: The whole time, it's like just I think, sit down,
Speaker 1: shut up, and listen, because I just don't if you
Speaker 1: defend that kind of behavior, you looked done. So if
Speaker 1: you had to pick sides, who would you pick? Oh?
Speaker 1: Come on now, I can't. Throughout the season, there's been
Speaker 1: like a lot of talks surrounding Juliette being with Sam
Speaker 1: for to rip off a bachelor cliche for the right reasons.
Speaker 1: Do you think that she's only with him for the
Speaker 1: money or do you think it's like true love. So
Speaker 1: when I first heard Slash saw them together, I think
Speaker 1: I had the same opinion as everyone else, like the
Speaker 1: whole money reasons type of thing, but they like comparing
Speaker 1: Juliet and Alex and Juliete and Sam, Juliette and Sam
Speaker 1: were like very happy. Sam's a really good guy. He's
Speaker 1: really good to her. He's so kind and generous as
Speaker 1: a whole, and I think he makes her a kinder person.
Speaker 1: So as of now, I feel like I think it's
Speaker 1: it's a real relationship. I think they're doing well. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they have their explosions and blow ups because of
Speaker 1: how different they are personality wise, But besides that, I
Speaker 1: think I think they're pretty solid. Do you foresee yourself
Speaker 1: like staying with the show like the long haul? Like
Speaker 1: are you not going anywhere? Or is it one of
Speaker 1: those things when you start watching yourself back you start
Speaker 1: getting like a little, I don't know, fatigued of the
Speaker 1: whole rat race of doing reality TV. If there is
Speaker 1: a long haul for the show. I'd be happy to
Speaker 1: be a part of it. This time around, I'm like
Speaker 1: far more comfortable with the cast. I'm better friends with everybody,
Speaker 1: Like I feel good filming. I think production is grown
Speaker 1: a lot since I was here two years ago. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm and watching myself as like really
Speaker 1: awkward and cringeing, but I'm like, you know what, at
Speaker 1: least I'm honest with who I am and what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: So even if I like that's okay, I'm still honest
Speaker 1: about it. I'm just gonna own my shop cards on
Speaker 1: the table. That's my thing. Subtracting yourself from the show
Speaker 1: when you watch it back as a fan, is there
Speaker 1: anyone that you think kind of gets like a bad
Speaker 1: edit or a bad rap that's actually much different than
Speaker 1: they are in person? And then like adversely, is there
Speaker 1: anyone who you're like, they always look so good and
Speaker 1: they're not that awesome? Yeah, that's funny you ask that.
Speaker 1: I think that Kelsey isn't portrayed on the show as
Speaker 1: she really is, or it's just like it's kind of
Speaker 1: off because I know she gets a ton of hate
Speaker 1: um Instagram and like fans that I meet, a lot
Speaker 1: of them have like not good things to say about Kelsey,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't really get it, but I
Speaker 1: guess from a fans point of view, there's just like
Speaker 1: a lot of catty bullshit going on with her life
Speaker 1: and situations that she's put in, So I think she's
Speaker 1: a lot. She's great in real life, she's great in person,
Speaker 1: but people seem to really hate her on the internet
Speaker 1: outside the show. What do you like? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you promoting? What do you want listeners of
Speaker 1: this show to know about you? Um? From starting nursing school,
Speaker 1: That's the thing people already know. I'm also working on
Speaker 1: a jewelry line right now. It's started off as all
Speaker 1: like lower and affordable stuff up, but now I'm starting
Speaker 1: to get another, like higher end line, so I'll have
Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. UM currently working on that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when it's gonna launch yet, but relatively
Speaker 1: soon in the next few months. I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a couple of my things now. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: people will see see some of that on the next season.
Speaker 1: People want to follow you, where do they go? My
Speaker 1: handle on Instagram is just Carriage as welly. I don't
Speaker 1: think I have like any I don't have a Twitter.
Speaker 1: People are sew me in on Twitter. I do have
Speaker 1: a TikTok. I don't make them, but I'm an avid
Speaker 1: TikTok watcher. Also Carriage as well anything. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for being on the Wells Cast. It's been a delight
Speaker 1: to talk with you. Everyone out there. Go watch The
Speaker 1: Has The Key Wednesday nights, eight pm Eastern on MTV.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that I didn't ask you that you
Speaker 1: want to talk about before I let you go? Um?
Speaker 1: Nothing I can think of. I think you've You've hit
Speaker 1: all the points. Well, enjoy the rest of your day
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll see you next week. Thank you
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