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I'm the host of the Bear 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Honey Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into the 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: world of hunting the icon of the North American Wilderness fair. 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation. We will also bring 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: you into some of the wildest country on the planet, 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: chasing bear. All right, We're at the Bear Hunting Magazine 20 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: global headquarters and we just settled a pretty significant issue 21 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: that uh that came up and I had nothing to 22 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: do with it, but I was. I had to score 23 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: a deer for my friend Matt Taylor, who's here with 24 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: his son Western Taylor, also known as the Eagle, and 25 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: my son Bears here as well. Um, Matt, tell me 26 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: just a little bit about what just happened. Yeah, so 27 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: we Uh, I've been hunting with the same group of 28 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: guys for about twenty years deer hunting, and uh, nineteen 29 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: years ago tomorrow I killed what we think is the 30 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: biggest deer our camp, you know, record holder in terms 31 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: of big buck and uh, this year one of my 32 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: hunting buddies, Cody Umney, shot a really nice eight pointer 33 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: opening more in a muzzloader season, and uh, I thought 34 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: we might have a record breaker, so we needed an impartial, 35 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: third party official judge to settle it. Western. Were you 36 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: there when Cody killed that buck? Yeah? I was there 37 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: right camp. You were there at camp? Did you think 38 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: it was bigger than your dad's Dear, I don't know, 39 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: it was close. Just when you saw it, What did 40 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: you think we'd be like, oh man, this is gonna 41 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: give Dad's buck a run for the money, sort of yuh, 42 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: you kind of thought maybe it would steal your family's honor. 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: So when did you kill your buck mat like in 44 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: or something. It was two thousand and one, so the 45 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: camp record was killed in two thousand one. So you 46 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: brought Cody's deer over here, and uh we we scored 47 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: it pretty quick. And I told you, I said, uh so, 48 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I I scored for Boone and Crockett, but we we didn't. 49 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: We kind of gave like the the deer camp version 50 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: score like we didn't. So when you're scoring a deer, guys, 51 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: Bear would know it. He seen me do it. But 52 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: when you're officially scoring a deer, Western you mark the 53 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: baseline of the times, which so that means like, so 54 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: there's the main beam, but then there's the times, and 55 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: you have to have a baseline to determine where that 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: time starts so you can know really how long it is. 57 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: So usually you put a you put a piece of 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: tape at the base of every time, and then you 59 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: lay a wire. I've got a little cable actually, it's 60 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: a cable over the top of the main beam. As 61 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: if you were going to take a saw and cut 62 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: that tying off flat, so the main beam would just 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: would just be a main beam with no times like 64 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: you you this envision, you know, this this invisible line 65 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: that would go across there. You would mark it on 66 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: the tape because you don't want to draw on somebody's 67 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: dear an, let's put mask in tape there right there. 68 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: And uh, but we didn't do that because this was 69 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: a deer camp. This wasn't official. This was like deer camp, 70 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: which in many ways is more official. Okay, um, because 71 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of liberty. But uh, Cody's buck 72 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: was an eight point beautiful eight point dark racked, heavy 73 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: horned The longest time was like ten and a half inches, 74 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: I think, which is a tall time, real naughty, gnarly 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: basis gnarly bases, uh, sixteen and a half inches wide 76 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: or so, which is pretty typical of a good deer. 77 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: And uh it scored like one thirty one and something, 78 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: which is a really respectable eight points, especially for around 79 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: here on public ground. So here's what was wild is 80 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: that Matt thought for all these years that the deer 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: that his deer which is a tent which which is 82 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: a main frame ten point with a split brow time, 83 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: so it's an eleven point. You thought it scored one 84 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: would headed at one thirty two and a half. So 85 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: you had that written on the back of the mount 86 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: from two thousand one. Yeah, yeah, my rough measurements back then. 87 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: Who knows where we got the information on how to 88 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: measure it. Yeah, and so we just scored it and 89 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: it scored. What did it score on a half? One 90 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: and a half. It's like a surprise. This is like 91 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: this thing has been on the wall for decade. It's 92 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: not even been off the wall almost two decades. You 93 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: pull it off the wall and it's ten inches bigger 94 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: than you thought. Is this like change your life a 95 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: little bit? I feel a little more accomplished. These guys 96 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: are gonna have to work a little harder to be 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: this camp record. I know. I'm really I was hoping 98 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: Cody beat it like it's time. Yeah, yeah, I'm with it. 99 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: It's been too long for one record. We we need 100 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: something else to shoot. Would it would kind of give 101 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: the camp a little bit of momentum to think that 102 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: the record has been broken. Yeah, it's kind of like 103 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: the world record typical White Tail was killed and I 104 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: think nineteen um up in Saskatchewan by Hanson. Who golly, 105 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: it's been so long. See, that's just it. It's been 106 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: so long since the world record white too, Milo Hanson, 107 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: that's his name. It's been so long since the world 108 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: record white tail hit the dirt that we've forgotten the 109 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: guy's name. Yeah, you don't even shoot for it anymore. 110 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: It's just not achievable. Western were you going for a 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: world record white tail this year? Sort of sort of hoping? Well, now, 112 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: it would have given the camps the momentum. But I'm 113 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: gonna say that Cody's buck. You could, you could find 114 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: other categories like biggest eight point Yeah, yeah, it would 115 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: definitely hit that. You know, we we've fast some good 116 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: deer over the years. In fact, my oldest son, Jackson, 117 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: killed a big eight point four years ago that uh, 118 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: I would say it was maybe just under Cody's but 119 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: we get a decent one every year. Yeah. Well, hey, 120 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: so what we're gonna do on this podcast is I 121 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: want to get around to butcher and a bear, how 122 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: to process and butcher a bear, and all the different 123 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: things that we can do with bare meat and bear fat. 124 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: In Matt this year just got finished butcher and one 125 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: killed a bear. We're gonna talk about that. But I've 126 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: got Weston and Bear and Matt in here, because all 127 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: of you guys have had an incredible season. I have not. 128 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: Uh so Western You first second day of muzzleloader season 129 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: killed the biggest buck of your life? Is that right? Yes? 130 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Were you excited about that? Very public land? Yeah? What 131 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: just tell briefly tell me the story. I saw us 132 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 1: sitting on the ground. Um, he dropped me off about 133 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, yeah, after he shot 134 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: a dough that morning. Okay, that's right, you killed one 135 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: that morning. Now set settled down about five o'clock. This 136 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: dere it comes coming down and you could hear him coming, 137 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: and um, he starts to get closer. I'm getting ready 138 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: and he's I couldn't really see where he was until 139 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: he started hook bushing, hook bushing, and uh see the 140 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: tree just going back and forth, and um, I sort 141 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: of sweart. I was going in my bag trying to 142 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: can call it towards me because I thought I saw 143 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: it going away from me. But I thought I messed up. 144 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: And they're giving some sound effects. I don't think that. Okay, 145 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and uh wait, wait wait when you okay, 146 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: let me just keep you and how we're gonna do this. 147 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: When he said something, I need some sound effects, like 148 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: if he says combustion, like I think that's kind of 149 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: a camp term these guys have. I need to hear that. 150 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, okay, and uh he turns and 151 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: starts coming right to me, and she turns go ahead. 152 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: And I looked at my gun and clicked back the hammer, 153 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: and all I see is his head and his neck, like, 154 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: this is the only shot I have. So I took 155 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: it and he went down just right in his tracks. 156 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: Next shot, yeah, next shot right in the white patch. No. 157 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: It was like if I was an inch off, it 158 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: probably would have missed it. Oh yeah, I got lucky, okay, 159 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: and went down. I was shaking real bad, trying to 160 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: get the cap out, struggling. I finally got all loaded, 161 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: waited a little bit. Then I walked up on it 162 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: and it was big, big, nice public land six. Yeah awesome. Well, 163 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: Weston had to sit there with that deer for two hours. 164 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: We didn't have any communication in the mountains, and I 165 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: told him I'd come and get him at dark. Yeah, 166 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: and uh, I was walking in and it was after dark. 167 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: I had my flashlight and I got almost two of 168 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: them and out here, Dad, hurry, oh boy, something that happened. 169 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: I bet that was a long two hours, wasn't it. Yeah? Now, okay, 170 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: so Weston killed the gobbler in the spring too. It 171 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: was your first gobbler and then on the very same day, 172 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: was it not? So Baron Western or fourteen your fourteen 173 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: no night yet you okay? Okay, thirteen bears fourteen and uh, 174 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: you killed the gobbler. We got a text message from 175 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: them on open a day youth season and uh, we 176 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: didn't even know they were going turkey hunting. Yeah, I 177 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: think I text you. I said, hey, are you home? 178 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: We got something to show you? Yeah? Yeah, and uh 179 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: and we were down we were at turkey hunting. And anyway, 180 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: bar ended up killing one late in the morning. So Bear, 181 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: so y'all both killed gobblers. And then Bear tell me 182 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: give me the like Abrevier did version of your Halloween Buck. Okay, 183 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: so I got home pretty late at like three thirty 184 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: or something. West excuse me. I need sound effects anything 185 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: that any action word, any verbs. This is like English class. 186 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: I need some sound effect. Okay, quality is not the 187 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: issue here. Just energy energy. Okay, this rings energy, Okay, 188 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: I need this, okay, all right. So it's Halloween Day 189 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: and I got back from school pretty late, about the 190 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: time i'd want to get in the stand. And so 191 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: I got home and I quickly got dressed because I 192 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: knew that I wanted to go. So I asked River, 193 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: my sister, if she could drive me over to this place. 194 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: She could drive me over to this place about half 195 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: a mile from her house, and I took a climbing 196 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: stand in me. But you calculated the wind because I 197 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: told you to go somewhere else. Yeah, the wind was 198 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: out of the south, blowing north, and so I knew 199 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: this stand where you would call that a south wind, okay, Yeah, 200 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: and that's something that maybe not everybody would understand. But 201 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: a wind that's blowing to the north as a south wind. 202 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: So the wind is categorized about the direction that comes from. Yeah, 203 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: And so I knew that the wind at the spot 204 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: I would sitting will be blowing into a field where 205 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: I didn't think that the deer would come from. So 206 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: I went and I climbed this wide oak tree after 207 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: trying to climb a shag bark hickory tree with a 208 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: climbing stand. Oh you didn't tell me that you tried 209 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: to climb hill tree is not the kind of tree 210 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot of climbate of climbate. I got like six 211 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: ft up and decided that you're like, not, this is 212 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: not gonna work easy to come down. They're hard to 213 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: go up. Yeah, because the way that the way the 214 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: bark lies. Yeah. So I went to this like white 215 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: oak tree, probably like ten ft from it, climbed up. 216 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: It got up probably a like four forty five, a 217 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: lot later than i'd want to be up getting dark 218 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: at six yeah, before time change, and so I waited 219 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes before I started calling. I would do 220 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: an extra spleet and then I would do like attending grunt. 221 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: Like we're like, we need, we need, I need to 222 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: hear this, but we're like it'd be like a couple 223 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: of deep your mouth like a round, you know, like 224 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: the extra sleet, and then like an okay, So the 225 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: extras bleet would be like a long, higher pitched bleat 226 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: that ends with a little crescendo yeah yeah, and then yeah, 227 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: and then attending grunt is like a deeper grunt and 228 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of like that there's like a buck tending 229 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: a dough basically, And then so I was doing that 230 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: like when they're doing that Western if you heard about 231 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: grunt in the woods. Yeah, they when they're with a 232 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: dough that they're kind of like corraling and trying to 233 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, do what they do. They he's like back 234 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: back back, just I mean, like it's an incredible thing 235 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: to hear. I've heard it, you know a few times, 236 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: and it's just it's kind of like hearing a turkey go, 237 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: which like you know, something special is happening. Yeah, And 238 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: so I was doing that probably like every fifteen minutes 239 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: about the time that like whenever I had grunt that 240 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: like I would think, if a deer here's this, it'll 241 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: come in. But then I would wait until like whichever 242 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: deer that was that would have been there would be 243 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: I've decided to not come basically. So I was doing 244 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: that probably every fifteen minutes. And at about five thirty 245 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: almost exactly, I did that, and about forty five seconds later, 246 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: I see a rack of like a big, bigger rack 247 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: than anything that I've ever shot coming down the hill 248 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: and he was just coming straight towards me, and he 249 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: was grunting every time you take a step. He got yeah, 250 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: and he got He just walked right behind me like 251 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: perfect at seventeen yards and I drew back a grunt, 252 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: stopped him, shot hit him a little high, so he 253 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: just dropped and then you know, I shot him and 254 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: dropped him, dropped him with a bow nice ten point. 255 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: I was I was hunting somewhere else and he texted 256 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: me what was funny? And this is the way this 257 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: is kind of what you you kind of live for 258 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: in the fall, is that moment when things shift because hunting, 259 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm in this stage of hunting right now where it 260 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: just almost seems impossible, Like I hadn't whitetail hunted this 261 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: much in years. I mean, I've just spent an incredible 262 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: amount of time in the woods and I have yet 263 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: to I did draw my bow on a shooter buck, 264 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: but then that's it. I haven't killed one. And so 265 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: you just get to thinking like this is just an 266 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: impossible task. And then just all of a sudden things change. 267 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: Because I had texted Bear and he was like, you 268 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: see anything, and I was like, no, have you know nothing? 269 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: You know, just like this pretty typical exchange we'd have 270 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: and then like four minutes later, big ten point down. Yeah, 271 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: it was exciting, and it was Halloween night and a 272 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: bunch of people were coming over to our house for 273 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: a kind of a bonfire, and that made it all 274 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: the more fun. You'll probably once in your life kill 275 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: a deer like at a time when like a whole 276 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: bunch of people are gonna be like coming to your 277 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm being serious, like usually it's kind of a solo 278 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: thing and you share the experience with people after the 279 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: fact or through technology, or you call somebody and tell 280 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: them it's pretty special when you kill a deer and 281 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: you can bring but I know it deer camp. You guys, 282 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: would I mean you have that experience that deer camp. Yeah, 283 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: I started say. It's it's incredibly the parallels these boys 284 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: have had this year between killing that their first gobber 285 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: on the same day and then this year both of 286 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: them getting a good buck. Western had a similar experience. 287 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: On our way into camp. We use CB radios up 288 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: there in the mountains, and our radio to head to 289 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: the camp. As we're coming up the mountain, and the 290 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: guys answered, I said, hey, Weston is bringing another big 291 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: one into camp. Get the hanging tree ready and we 292 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: got up there. Man, it was real special. Everybody gathered 293 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: around the truck and they're high five and just a 294 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: really cool moment. And so bear got to experience that too, 295 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, yeah cool. Well, and then, uh, Matt, 296 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: you've had a heck of a year. We were just 297 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: going through, like, give me a give me an overview 298 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: of how your year so far? And then but I 299 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: want to get to the specifics of the bear. Sure, 300 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, give me an overview. Yeah, well, the bear 301 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: kicked it all off. Really. That was October two. Uh, 302 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: we went and hunted that bear and and got got 303 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: it with a bow. I kicked off the season. Man. 304 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: That that I guess we'll talk more in detail about 305 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: that later. But uh, Weston and I and and our 306 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: our buddies, we all camped the week of musloader season. 307 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: It's a big week for us. And we went down 308 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: there and my oldest daughter, June is six years old, 309 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: and she came with us this year for the first time. 310 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: And uh, Saturday and Sunday we didn't see anything. Weston 311 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: got his two deer on Sunday, and then Monday morning, 312 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: June and I got a seven point buck together and 313 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: so that was pretty incredible. The next morning, UH, June, 314 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: Western and I all hunted together and and we had 315 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: Weston set up on a hot trail and and a 316 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: nice nine point came in behind June and I I 317 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to come from that way. There's no way 318 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: Weston was going to see it. So I had to 319 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: do the shooting, which I sure hated to do, but 320 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: but I got that one. So we we killed bucks 321 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: two days in a row. So I had a had 322 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: a bear in two bucks at that point. And then uh, 323 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: later that week, I was still hunting with a muzzloader. 324 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: UH still had dough tags and got a bobcat, which 325 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: I've been trying to kill a bobcat my entire life. 326 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: I've shot at him. I've never gotten one until this year. 327 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: So that kind of came together. And then this past weekend, 328 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: Western and Bear and I went back to deer camp. 329 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: They were able to hunt with rifles, my youth and 330 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: I took my bowl, thinking, you know, I'm still still 331 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: after a dough and Uh, Saturday evening, right before dark, 332 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: a big wild hog came through and I was able 333 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: to get him. So a bear, two bucks, a bobcat, 334 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: and a hog. Wow, man, and this hog, uh, this 335 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: hog was quite the word deal. You don't have to 336 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: go into all the details. But you shot this hog 337 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: right at dark and y'all trailed it for now. I've 338 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: i've i've kind of mind this story out of all 339 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: of you, individ, Julie and I have pretty much come 340 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to the same story. So I know you're not lying, 341 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: But the collective ideas that trailed this this hog close 342 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: to a mile, that'd be my guess. I know. Walking 343 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: hard back to the truck up a creek bed took 344 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: us probably an hour. Yeah, so and and and we're 345 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: trailing this thing, crawling through briars, you know, after this 346 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: big wounded bore, no weapon, you know, flashlight, and went 347 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: in and weren't really prepared. We're just going to retrieve 348 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: my arrow. I thought I missed it. Oh, so we 349 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: went in totally unprepared, and so by the end of 350 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: it we trailed. We got a knife in one hand 351 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: and a flashlighting, not knowing what we're gonna walk up on. 352 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: But we eventually did find him. Well. And so go 353 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: ahead and tell kind of the end of the story. 354 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: You you give up on the trail. Yeah, he made 355 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: it to a field, and uh, there was five of 356 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: us looking, two of my buddies, Rustling Cody and then 357 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: me Bear and Weston and Rustling Cody. We're gonna going 358 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: ahead and try to figure out where we were because 359 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: we we lost our sense of direction. Moon hadn't coming 360 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: up yet middle of the night, and they're gonna try 361 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: to find They think they know where a road is, 362 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: so they leave us, and we we lost blood trail 363 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: after a while. And I'm like, boys, that's it, I said, 364 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: all for none. Man, We're just gonna have to go 365 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: and try to find those guys and get out of here. 366 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: We take about what ten or fifteen steps Weston and 367 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: I here, and I shined the light over and we 368 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: are what ten ft from this bore. I mean he's 369 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: right there and standing up like he's yea, oh man. 370 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: That shook us up pretty good. But he was he 371 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: was almost expired, like he didn't charge us or anything. 372 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: So we uh again, didn't have a weapon other than 373 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: I for none of us were brave enough to dive 374 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: in on him, so we uh, we just we had 375 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: to leave. No. Can you believe it? Wow? Well, I'll 376 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: say that's a pretty uh I mean wild boars are 377 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: if they're not just stereotype to be aggressive, I mean 378 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: they really are aggressive. Um so, I mean it's pretty unusual. 379 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: I would say if he had enough life to be 380 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: standing there, that he didn't at least take a round 381 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: at you could have been dangerous. He was chopping his 382 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: jaws at us. This is not a small hawk. Is 383 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: that big hawk? I would say, over three pounds and 384 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: big tusks? Big tusk yeah, probably two two and a 385 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: half inches long. Yeah, yeah, he was big. Well, man, 386 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: that's quite the Uh. The Arkansas slam right there to 387 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: get a wild hog, buck and a bear West to 388 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: kill a turkey. So the family, the family slam our 389 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: best year ever for sure. Yeah, well that's pretty cool. 390 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: That is pretty cool. Well, um, Matt, so let's talk 391 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: about let's talk about our bear hunt. Um. I wasn't 392 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: planning on I wasn't planning on inviting you. I wasn't either, 393 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: I was working that day. Yeah, Now I kind of 394 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: felt like this would happen. Is that? So the first weekend, 395 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: all the kids hunted and I kind of just I 396 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: was saving my tag to kill a bear in the mountains. 397 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: This is the this is a short version. I was saving. 398 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't want. I didn't plan to kill 399 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: a bear over bait, even though we were baiting bears 400 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and had bears on bait. So after the weekend, the 401 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: first weekend ended and the kids went home, and that 402 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: meant it's my turn to hunt. I went into the 403 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: mountains and checked a bunch of spots that if I 404 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: was gonna kill a bear in the mountains without bait, 405 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: this is where it was gonna happen. And I quickly 406 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: saw that it was gonna be real tough just because 407 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: the mass crop was scattered. It was, it was not 408 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: a dry year. There was many factors that made bear 409 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: hunting the mountains tough for the way that I hunt 410 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: and the places that I hunt. So I spent a 411 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: day and a half hunt in the mountains and pretty 412 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: much ran all my little traps, you know. And uh, 413 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: and so it came to be Monday, and I had 414 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: been there had been one spot. And if anybody follows 415 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Barony magazine stuff, they would have seen the video we 416 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: did with River the mule bait you know where she Uh. 417 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: It was a video called Rivers Bear on Barony Magazine YouTube. 418 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: And and we we had this this private land. We 419 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: can only hunt bear bait bears on private land in Arkansas, 420 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: and so we've got a piece of private land that's 421 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: that you can't get to with a vehicle, essentially, so 422 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: we have to pack in bait on mules. Well, I 423 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: had neglected that bait this year, Matt. I probably told 424 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: you this. I baited that thing like three days before season, 425 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: only one time because I didn't intend to hunt it 426 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: because it's so hard to get to and where we 427 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: hunt with James Lawrence and that's where we dedicated our 428 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: whole weekend and our whole bear camp was in his 429 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: part of the world. And uh so I wasn't even 430 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: gonna get I wouldn't. I wasn't even gonna hunt the 431 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: mule bait. But I just couldn't stand not baiting it. 432 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: So I had gone in there one time and baited 433 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: and hadn't even gone back to check it. Um. I mean, 434 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: let me think of the sequence. Let me think of 435 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: the sequence. Yeah no, no, no, no, that's not that's 436 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: not true. I didn't bait it at all. I didn't 437 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: bait it. Uh No, I baited it twice. I'm sorry. 438 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. Three days before a season, I 439 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: baited it, didn't go back in there, went to the mountains, 440 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: decided I wasn't gonna kill a bear in the mountains. 441 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: And I thought, well, maybe I'll go kill a bear 442 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: at the mule bait. But I'd only baited it one 443 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: time three days before, and I knew how all the 444 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: bears were responding on our other baits, which was pretty poor. 445 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: On years when there's good mass crop, the bears don't 446 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: respond to bait that well. So I knew that at 447 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: the mule bait it would probably just be average. But 448 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: and I I just you know, I knew I wasn't 449 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: gonna The only way I was gonna shoot a bear 450 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: over bait this year was if it was gonna be 451 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: a real nice bear. Well, I figured i'd go into 452 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: the mule bait and just law of averages and having 453 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: baited and hunted a lot, you know, the chances of 454 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: killing a really big bear on October the two were slim. 455 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: But and I didn't have any intel, but I wanted 456 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: to be a part of a bear kill up there, 457 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: And I, you know, I just thought it to be 458 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: a shame for me to let a nice bear walk by, 459 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: just because I didn't want to kill it. And so 460 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: Matt works real job. And uh, I called you? Did 461 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: I call you the morning of? Yeah? You sent me 462 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: a text at like nine thirty that morning. Hey, going 463 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: bear hunting at eleven o'clock. I want to go. M hmmm, 464 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: let's see. I can't. I've got too much to do. Yeah. Sure, Hey. 465 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: That is why I texted you, because I could have 466 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: sent that text to a lot of people at nine 467 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning and they would have been like, ah, 468 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: thanks for the invite, Clay, but I can't do it. 469 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: And I would have been like, check, I'll remember that 470 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: for the next ten years. And and I just had 471 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: a feeling I had given you a tip the night 472 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: before though. Do you remember I said, what are you 473 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: doing tomorrow? I got yeah, kind of a cryptic what 474 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: what are you doing tomorrow? And I'm like, where's this going? 475 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: I will. I'm not afraid to say that sometimes I am. 476 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: It's hard to get me to commit when it comes 477 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: to hunting, because you know, the scenario changes constantly. Like 478 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: and I had the thought the night before ought to 479 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: invite Matt to go up there with me, Like that 480 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: just crossed my mind. And so you know, many variables. Well, 481 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if he could go. I figured he'd want 482 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: to go, but it's like, I wonder if he could go. 483 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: So it's just like, what are you doing tomorrow, Matt? 484 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: Because I mean, I'm I'm thinking maybe I ought to 485 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: go to the mountains and hunt on the mules. Maybe 486 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: I ought not to even go up to up there, 487 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: you know. And uh So, anyway, I sent that text, 488 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: and then finally at like nine thirty the next morning, 489 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to the mountain and I 490 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: want to bring you know, somebody. They're not just somebody. 491 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't just take somebody. I mean I I wanted 492 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: to take you. And so I was like, hey, I'm 493 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: leaving eleven if you want to go kill Beart And 494 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: and I was very upfront about our deal, was I not? 495 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: Not exactly. I don't think he presented a deal until 496 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: we were on the way down. Are you sure? No? 497 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: I don't remember, because I said, I mean, I feel 498 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: like this is what happened. I feel like I said, Matt, 499 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: if there's a big bear, I'm gonna shoot it, because 500 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: that's this's just what I said. But if there's a 501 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: bear that I don't want to shoot, or if a 502 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: bear that I don't want to shoot comes in first, 503 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: I just felt like there was gonna be. It wasn't 504 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: just gonna be one big bear coming in there. Yeah, 505 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. And And to give some context to this, 506 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: I was completely cool with that because man, I I 507 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: killed a bear back in two thousand five, just uh incidental. 508 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: I was deer hunting and got a bear. And I 509 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: had a lot especially deer hunting and in bear country, 510 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: like my son Jackson killed a bear four years ago, 511 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: just you know, while we were dear hunting. They're up there. 512 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: But I haven't seen a bear in fifteen years. And 513 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: so when you said, you know, if it's one I 514 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: don't want to shoot, you can shoot it. Like, that's 515 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: fine with me, man, any bear, right, because I'm fascinated 516 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: by bears. I want I wanted another bear and you 517 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: just don't see him there. Yeah, I think you. I've 518 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: heard you'd call them black ghosts. They literally are. Yeah. Well, 519 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: and I knew you'd be okay with with that deal. 520 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: And and I and I knew that probably leaned towards 521 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: your favor because I knew what I was after would 522 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: we'd have to been pretty it's been pretty good fortune 523 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: for me to go in there and shoot a I 524 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: was probably looking for a fifty pound plus bear. Yeah, 525 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: and so we so we so we have to load 526 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: We load up two mules, We drive down there, saddle 527 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: up the mules. Um, I'd say, well, we left at 528 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: eleven and uh we were up on the mount hunting 529 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: by about three o'clock. About three o'clock we were in 530 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: the stands. So we rode up the mountain and uh 531 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: and the way we hunt that places we tie mute bears. 532 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: Never hunted up there with me, have you. You didn't 533 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: hunt it up there with the bat. Yeah, not at 534 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: the bait. So we we get about a quarter mile 535 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: from the bait and just tie the mules up. Better 536 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: time up good, or they'll get away and run on 537 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: the bottom of the mountain. That's happened before. Um and 538 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: uh so we just parked them, leave and go hunt. 539 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: And uh. So that's what we did. And so I 540 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: checked the camera while I was as soon as we 541 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: got there, and there were there was a bear coming 542 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: in there that I would have shot. But it was 543 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 1: real weird because there were hardly any daytime photos. There 544 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: were actually only two bears on camera and both of 545 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: them were what appeared to me and quick analysis on 546 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: the phone was large adult males, both of them probably 547 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: over three hounds. That's what I analyze. So it's like, Okay, 548 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: there's two good bears. But they weren't coming in daylight, 549 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: which is odd because no human pressure up there. These 550 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: bears aren't being hunted like see. You often think about 551 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: animals going nocturnal, like thinking, oh, well, they know hunting 552 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: seasons around, they know they're being pressure. They they're trying to, 553 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, protect themselves from human predation. I don't, I 554 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that's I think that can be true. 555 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: But even with these places that are totally unmolested, these 556 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: big animals just feed at night sometimes. And I think 557 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: it has to do with lunar cycles. I think it 558 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: has to do with photo period. You know how there's 559 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: some mystery with animal movement nocturnal and daylight movement that 560 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: is is a is a hard riddle to solve. But 561 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: these bears had not been coming in the daytime to 562 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: the States. I was discouraged by that. Typically with a 563 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: bear bait, as you're anal lies and photos, I mean, 564 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of common sense. But I mean 565 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: if there had been a daylight bear there the day before, 566 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: in the in the evening, I would have been like, 567 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance he'll be back. Yeah, you 568 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: didn't seem very optimistic if you look at the pictures, 569 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: like you gave me the impression like we're probably not 570 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna see one. Yeah, and uh, I don't know. I 571 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: kept my optimism just being there. You know, I've never 572 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: been around bear bait before. That's that experience was new. 573 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: And I think I told you, I said, if we 574 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: just see it bear like, this is a huge win 575 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. Yeah, well and then we said. I 576 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: remember sitting there, so so I had one one stand 577 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: up in the tree and it was just a lock 578 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: on stands and you setting the lock on standing. I 579 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 1: sat in my saddle. I just tied my tree saddle 580 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: right beside you. And uh, And I said, this bait 581 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: has been out for such a short amount of time, 582 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: it's possible that new bears could be finding this bait 583 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: for the first time. Because this was an established bait, 584 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: like it had been used for a couple of years 585 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: so and used extensively. A lot of bears were hitting it. 586 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: So I knew that a pretty large number of bears 587 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: knew where this bait was, and they ken on food 588 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: sources at times, specific points, you know, like uh, bears 589 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: have I've read some research where bears have an incredible 590 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: memory for where food sources like down to like a 591 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: specific tree on a mountain you know that is highly productive, 592 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: or or berry patch in a certain place. So they 593 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: have these vast home ranges, and they have big brains. 594 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: They're they're omnivores. They can see color, they they can 595 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: their ability to categorize and remember food sources what makes 596 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: them so suc tessful. So like a bait site, they 597 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: hit it one time, they remember that for the rest 598 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: of their life. They're not ever gonna be like, where 599 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: was that place when I was a cub where Mama 600 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: took us? It's like they hone in on it. Have y'all, 601 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: have y'all. He heard me tell the story of this 602 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: didn't happen to me, but it happened to some guys 603 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: that really taught me how to bait bears, The Beastons, 604 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: some friends of mine here in Arkansas, Will and Adam 605 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: beast and there early when I started baiting bears, they 606 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: were real. They gave me a lot of good info, 607 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: but they had truill cameras up. They had a really 608 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: established great bait site and they had traill cameras up 609 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, they had cameras up before they 610 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: put out a bait. And I don't know if it 611 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: was a camera that they left up the whole year 612 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: and the batteries lasted that long as it was intentional. 613 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: But basically every year, their whole strategy was like clockwork, 614 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: put out the bait ten days before season, bait hard 615 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: for ten days as much as they would, as much 616 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: as the Bears beat, and that's what they did. So 617 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: you know, for years, every single you know, September theft 618 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: or you know what. Back then opening day it was 619 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: October the one, so you know, like you know, September 620 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: twentie let's just say they would put out bait September, 621 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: twenty September, twenty September for years. Well, uh, as the 622 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: season started to change, their their their dates got off 623 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: like the season then moved up and moved back anyway, 624 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: the Bears one time showed up on like September for 625 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: the first time and there was no bait there. Um, 626 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: so they weren't coming into scent. They were coming into 627 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: this is when this is supposed to be here, you know. 628 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: And Ryan Grab had stories like that too. But so 629 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: all that to say, I said, there could be new 630 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: bears still finding this bait. And uh, anyway, like prime time, 631 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, the last probably hour of daylight, you know, 632 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: we hear, we hear a large animal. You know. It 633 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: wasn't like footsteps like Weston heard of his buck coming in. 634 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: It was just like just just a stick pop, a 635 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a shuffle, just light noise, but enough 636 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: to know that's not a squirrel exactly. Yeah. It was 637 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: like I remember, after probably ten seconds, like I was 638 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: convinced it was a bear. Yeah, I wasn't sure what 639 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: it was. You know, like I could hear it. I 640 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: knew it was it had to be a large animal, 641 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: but man, it seemed like it was right there and 642 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: I couldn't see it. It's kind of like when you're 643 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: looking for a deer and and it's a squirrel, you 644 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: can't see it, you know. It was like that, but 645 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: it didn't sound like a squirrel. So finally you saw it. Yeah, 646 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: and he was right there. It was. It was probably 647 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: had come into the open, but the shadows this black 648 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: animal that I'm not used to seeing I was overlooking at. Yeah, 649 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: it was a it was. It came out of a 650 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: pawpaw thicket, if you remember that. But we were kind 651 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: of kind of in open woods, I mean not really open, 652 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: but for that area, semi open, but there was a 653 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: thick papa patch right there, and uh that those I knew. 654 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: I just felt like they would come from that direction, 655 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, and we hear some popping in anyway, I 656 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: see the bear out there, and I immediately recognized that 657 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: it's not a bear head on camera because it wasn't 658 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: big enough. And it was it ended up being a 659 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: really nice bear, but I just knew it wasn't that 660 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: three fifty type pound bear that I had seen on camera. 661 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: And I at first glance, I was like, this is 662 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: bear for Matt. Shoot, yeah you immediately I think that's 663 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: what you whispered to me. When I was like, oh, 664 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: it's right there, and you're like that's your bear, Yeah, 665 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: I was like, are you sure that? I think it's 666 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: big and man, that bear. So first of all, I 667 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: had not seen that barrow on camera, but really the 668 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: way that bear acted told me that it had never 669 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: been to that bait. It hadn't been to the bait 670 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: that year. The bait had just been put out. I 671 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: believe it was that bear's first time into that bait 672 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: because it took it fifteen minutes. Yeah, that was incredible 673 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: to watch. And I got shaken some bad just because 674 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: it took so long. It would take one step and 675 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: then just sniff and look and sniff and look and 676 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: then finally take another step and just so cautious. It 677 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: was just incredible to watch. Yeah, Yeah, I've rarely seen 678 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 1: one come in quite like that. It uh it, guys, 679 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: It just I mean it would just it would pick 680 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: up its feet like a cat just set its feet now, 681 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: I mean just walked in, I mean almost silent after 682 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: we saw it, Yeah, and uh and it just eased. 683 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: I mean just it took forever for that thing to 684 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: walk probably fifteen yards to get into range and be broadside. 685 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's the way they approach, you know, 686 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: a bear bait, Well, any kind of congregated bear feeding area, 687 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: whether it be a white oak ridge that's full acorns 688 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: and there's bear sign and bear scent, you know, these 689 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: bears coming into it, new bears. You're gonna be real cautious. 690 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: They're afraid of other bears. Well that I remember asking you. 691 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: I said, why bears don't really have any natural predators? 692 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: I said, why are they so incredibly cautious? And that's 693 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: what you said, was there. They don't want to be 694 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: around other bears. Yeah, I mean big male bears are 695 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: are uh, you know, cannibals can be. I mean they'll 696 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: they'll kill you know, in fantaside. You know, they'll kill cubs. Um. 697 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: They're highly territorial for the most part. I mean, if 698 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: they if you see two or three bears the debate side, 699 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: which is common when you're baiting bears, I mean, they're 700 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: just tolerating each other. They're not like herding up like 701 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: deer and gonna run off and hang out together. The 702 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: odd times you'll see pairs of bears is usually sibling 703 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: bears that have that are two years old and for 704 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: whatever reason just kind of had a bond that they 705 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: hadn't split up yet. But you'll rarely see other than 706 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, like a breeding pair in the spring or something. 707 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, bears are solitary animals and they want to 708 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: be solitary. And uh, any bear is capable of killing 709 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: any other bear. I mean, they've got they so you know, 710 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: they're just super cautious, you know. And um, so this 711 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: bear just crept and crept in, crept in, crept in, 712 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: and finally it got in abroad. I remember one time 713 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: I could, you know, it was It's a kind of 714 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: a fun experience, and I've I've done it before, but 715 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: never for that extended period of time. But you know, 716 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: we were at a super steep angle, like we were up. 717 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: We were all up probably eighteen feet off the ground, 718 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: but the ground sloped off. He was down below us below, 719 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: so we were probably above this bear, maybe not that 720 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: high above it, but and in this and and it 721 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: was the first time I had set in these this 722 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: stand because I moved the bait slightly on this property. 723 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: And so when we got up there, I was like, 724 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: oh wow, we're super close. So I knew we were 725 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: gonna be shooting like straight down. And I also knew 726 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: that that is a really tough situation to be in. 727 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: Shooting a bear is shooting straight down a lot of 728 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: and it's boy, it's easy to wound a bear. It's 729 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: easy to get a bad shot. So I was watching 730 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: you like a hawk and and uh and and I 731 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, I won't immense words about it, like guys 732 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: that have killed I have seen guys that have killed hundreds. 733 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: Like literally one of my guy know real well, good 734 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: friend of mine, veteran white tail hunter, one of the 735 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: best white tail hunters I know, probably one of the 736 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 1: best white owners in the country, hunting with me years ago, 737 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: and uh wounded a bear at like twelve yards. Got 738 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: this guy's killed like three deer with his bow and uh, 739 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: first bared ever shot at and just got rattled and 740 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: just made a bad decision and shot despair wrong. And 741 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: I mean like he was the last person I had 742 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: any I mean, this guy is a killer. And and 743 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: I put him in a bear stand and I was 744 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: just like, dude, just kill a bear, no big deal. 745 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: Big bear walks in and he gets rattled and just 746 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: makes a poor decision. Wounds, Despair would never find it. 747 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't take anything for granted. You're a 748 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: you're a veteran hunter that I was watching you and uh, man, 749 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: that bear started to get up even with us where 750 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: it was almost broadside but not quite and I saw 751 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: your hands started to kind of tighten up on that string, 752 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: and I remember saying, I don't remember exactly what I said, 753 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 1: but I was like, wait, yeah you did. Wait wait wait, 754 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: because I I just really wanted him perfectly broadside or 755 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: slightly quartering away. Didn't want to take any any kind 756 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: of front, you know, any kind of quarter in two shot, 757 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: y'all understand what that means, guys, quarter and two okay, 758 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: broadside would be a deer bear that his his back 759 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,879 Speaker 1: hips and his front shoulders are equal distance to you. 760 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: He's like flat like the face of a barn, like 761 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: broadside like a barn. If he's quartering to you, it 762 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: means that his front shoulders are closer to you than 763 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: it's But does that make sense, Like his head would 764 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: be right here if he's quartering away. In the whole 765 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: quartering thing has to do. It has to do with 766 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: the angle, like like if if this were a compass, 767 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 1: Like if we had a comp and this is getting 768 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: this is digging into the weeds. But you know, like 769 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: if we had a compass, hundred and eighty degrees would 770 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: be like in front of you like quarter and would 771 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: be like twenty five for cent. So it has to 772 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: do with the angle like it was on a compass, okay, 773 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: but quartering away Weston would be if his butt was 774 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: closer to you than his shoulders, And that's a much 775 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: better shot because you can slip a bullet or an 776 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: arrow in and the forward movement of the bullet is 777 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: going to carry it into the vitals. If he's quartering 778 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,240 Speaker 1: to you, you gotta shoot through the front shoulders anyway, 779 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: and we've got a compound angle because we're up so 780 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 1: high as well. Account for that too, and that's the 781 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: hardest part of it. So anyway, the bear, the bear 782 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: is probably eight yards from the base of the tree. 783 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't not, and we're probably twenty five ft above 784 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: the bears. I mean, we're just shooting straight down on it. 785 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: But he finally gets broadside and beyond. Because once he 786 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: gets broadside and we were kind of and there was 787 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of brush at the perfect broadside moment, 788 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of brush there, I had 789 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: to let him get a little further, so he was 790 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: slightly quartering away. But man to be that patient. I 791 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: was glad you told me to wait, because I'm not 792 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: used to be impatient. Like even deer hunting, like we 793 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: don't hunt with any bait ever, like I've never I 794 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: never had moments like that most of our shots, Like 795 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: you see the deer, you better get ready and shoot, 796 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: they're passing through, you know. And uh so to wait 797 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: and be that patient was real hard for me. But 798 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: I'm glad I did, and I'm glad it came in 799 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: that slow, because man, I was shook up when I 800 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: first saw it. But like I said, it's been fifteen 801 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,240 Speaker 1: years since I've seen one in a while, and uh, 802 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: it just you know, it's it's emotional in a way, 803 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: and and you know, you you get the jitters and 804 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: the adrenaline. And I had time to breathe a little 805 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: bit and try to calm myself down before the shot. Yeah, 806 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: well you drew back shot hit him, hit him kind 807 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: of where'd you hit him? High on the shoulder, man, right? 808 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: Really where I want it too, And it was weird. 809 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: I've heard listening to your podcast and and and reading 810 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: bar Hunt Magazine helped tremendously because you talk a lot 811 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: about shot placement and how you've even talked about you 812 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,320 Speaker 1: don't see the defined shoulder like you do on a 813 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: dyer And I had all that in my mind, you know, 814 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: and it's absolutely true. Because that peep site and Alex 815 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: he is black and shooting at a fifty gallon trash 816 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: bag up with a Yeah, it's like it wasn't like 817 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: just obvious where that shoulder is and what you're even 818 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: shooting at. I had to kind of look back out 819 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: of my peep and get back and settle in and 820 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 1: get comfortable. And what I tried to do was was 821 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: hugged that front shoulder pretty tight and and shoot a 822 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,439 Speaker 1: little bit high, thinking that downward trajectory would get done 823 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: into the vitals. And and that's what we did. Released 824 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: the arrow. Uh, Barry gave out a moan and went 825 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: down and kind of rolled around and uh. And I 826 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: think I was grabbing for another arrow when you said 827 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 1: put another one in it, and I was already on 828 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: my way, and we did, and it it didn't even 829 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: get out of sight. Yeah, well it uh it Uh, 830 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: it had to you know, that high shoulder will just 831 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,360 Speaker 1: drop them to Yeah, you know. So it either clipped 832 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: the clipped the spine a little bit or the high shoulder, 833 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,800 Speaker 1: but it did it. It passed through though, didn't it did? Yeah, 834 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: somebody and it may have clipped something in that spine. 835 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: I'm not real sure, it didn't stop the arrow, But yeah, yeah, man, 836 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,280 Speaker 1: you know what I call that. I call that getting 837 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: blacked out when you look through your peep site and 838 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,320 Speaker 1: all you see is black. Yeah, And it's pretty common 839 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: if you're shooting a bear inside a fifteen yards, especially 840 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: if it's a very big bear. And this was a 841 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: This was a good size bear. I mean, I think 842 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: it was easily two fifty pounds, I would say. I 843 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: remember when we were skinning it. Remember it kind of 844 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: rolled down the hill and we had to drag it 845 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: back up and barely could. Yeah, it was it was 846 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: a fat bear. Um, So I mean, it wasn't a 847 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: small bear. Um. But yeah, yeah, I call it getting 848 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: blacked out. And you did the right thing, and that 849 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: is not to panic and you I did the same 850 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: thing kind of the last time that happened to me, 851 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: as I looked around the peep and then back in 852 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: the peep, and around the peep and back in the peep. Finally, 853 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 1: you just kind of figure out where you need to 854 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: aim and you just kind of gotta let it go. 855 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's a tough situation. It is. And 856 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: it's funny I had the exact same thing happened with 857 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: that hog on Saturday evening that you just look up 858 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 1: and see black and it was forty yards so and 859 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 1: it was a losing daylight. So uh but yeah, it's tough. 860 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: It's not like shooting it a deer. Very different. Well, 861 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: and then the fun began because we're there's no way 862 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: we would have I mean, we could have like quartered 863 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: that bear up and hauled it out ourselves, but they 864 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: would have been a pretty the major or a deal 865 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: without the mules. Yeah, that wouldn't have been fun. Yeah, 866 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: and we we went back and got the mules and 867 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,280 Speaker 1: by this time it's dark and and uh but we 868 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: we know we're gonna have to break the bear down 869 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: out in the field. And I went back and got 870 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: the mules and it was pretty cool. Bear. You should 871 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: have been there, because uh it was is he's fifth 872 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: bear to haul out? So is he's my mule, and uh, 873 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: this is our fifth bear to haul out, and uh 874 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: every so basically the first four bears. She pretty much 875 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: responded the same way, which was she didn't want that 876 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 1: bear on her back. I was talking to somebody about 877 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: it the other day. I think, Um, I think a 878 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: lot of equine guys try to put a animal on 879 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: a horse or mules back, and I mean their natural tendency. 880 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: I mean, like the vast majority of animals are not 881 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: gonna want you to do that, and so they're gonna 882 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 1: throw a fit, They're gonna be scared, They're gonna respond 883 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: in a flight response. No, I don't want something bloody 884 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 1: and strange or a predator on my back. But what 885 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm learned is you can condition them if you handle 886 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: them right in the field to where they'll gradually just 887 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: get better and better and better and better. But you 888 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: gotta take you can't take no for an answer. I mean, 889 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: when is he first kind of balked at me wanting 890 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: to put a bear on her? I mean it was 891 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: more than balk. I mean she went nuts, you know, 892 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: but I just was I just was like, well, you 893 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: don't have a choice, is he I'm going spars going 894 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,919 Speaker 1: on your back? And eventually I got it on her back, 895 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,359 Speaker 1: snorting and kicking, and and uh, I was afraid that 896 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: maybe that's just what I was gonna be up against, 897 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,839 Speaker 1: because you do hear the odd story of a mule 898 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: or horses just totally just doesn't care from the first one, 899 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 1: just like just whatever that's not the norm, but that 900 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: does happen. And so what I think it happens in 901 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: the equine world is that those mules kind of get 902 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,799 Speaker 1: the good reputation of yep, some will do it and 903 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: some won't. Just they either will or they won't. But 904 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 1: Izzy would have been in the category of the ones 905 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: that won't. But you know, you saw how she acted. 906 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,839 Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't fuss at all. You know what 907 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: I did though, after we skinned that bear, I had 908 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,720 Speaker 1: blood on my hands and you know, smelled like a bear. 909 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,319 Speaker 1: And when we walked back to her, the first thing 910 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: I did was I put my hand up and let 911 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: her smell it, and she kind of snorted a little bit, 912 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: and then I just pat her and talked to her 913 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: and just put my hands on her nose. And finally 914 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: she was just like, oh, we're haulding out a bear. Okay, 915 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: got it, walked back in and she never really balked 916 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: much at all after that. Um So, anyway, I was 917 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: really thrilled about that. But hey, the reason that we're 918 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: having this podcast, though, Matt, is to talk about what 919 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: you did with that bear. Um So, if you kill 920 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: a bear, uh like, So this would have been the 921 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: second bear that you skinned. What what what would you 922 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: tell somebody that would be different than like a skin 923 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: and a deer. I think, uh, one thing, Well, we 924 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 1: skinned this one on the ground after dark. But but 925 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 1: prior to that, the last one I skinned was the 926 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: one my oldest son killed four years ago, and uh, 927 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: he killed his in the mornings. We skinned it in 928 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,840 Speaker 1: daylight at camp and just hung it up like you 929 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: would a deer um from its hind legs and skin 930 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: it down. It's it's, uh it's different in that you 931 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: hear about bears being greasy. It's it's gets oily like 932 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,479 Speaker 1: on your hands as you're skinning it. Yeah, it gets 933 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,320 Speaker 1: real oily and and and that's different. But other than that, uh, 934 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,759 Speaker 1: we skinned. We skinned that one just like you would 935 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: have dear, just skinning down. And what's different about how 936 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: you and I did it is, you know, for one, 937 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 1: skintting it on the ground, but then two we harvested 938 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,319 Speaker 1: the fat, which at that time, you know, I didn't 939 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,640 Speaker 1: know anything about being able to use the fat for anything, 940 00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: so we just threw it away. Yeah, we kept all 941 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,359 Speaker 1: the fat. And then we also after we skinned it, 942 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,400 Speaker 1: we just cord it up bone in and uh we 943 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,359 Speaker 1: we used to do that with deer, and uh, man, 944 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: it just makes for so much more work in the 945 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,440 Speaker 1: kitchen for me. I've always processed all my own game, 946 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,799 Speaker 1: and uh we found that, you know, if you can 947 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 1: hang them up, especially, it's it's so much easier in 948 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: the field for me to cut the meat off the 949 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: bone and just bring the meat home. Okay, so you're 950 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,360 Speaker 1: de boning them in the field, yeah, while while it's hanging, 951 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 1: and I never bring the bone in the house. Now 952 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,279 Speaker 1: with the bear, it might be different on some parts 953 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 1: of it because you might want to cook it bone in, 954 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: and we actually did that with part of it. Uh, 955 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,880 Speaker 1: Colby cooked part of his. He made that awesome Buco, 956 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: and my wife and I made that recipe at home 957 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: and we we used a picture. Yea, what do you 958 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:57,920 Speaker 1: think of it? I loved it. The family like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 959 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,960 Speaker 1: awesome Buco. I don't remember if you ain't any of it, 960 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you were there, not for 961 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: some reason. But our whole family loves while game. My 962 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: wife cooks a ton of it, and it's just a man, 963 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 1: just an amazing organic alternative adds variety to our diet 964 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: and when we get a ton of it. See my 965 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: my wife doesn't. She loves to cook it and she 966 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 1: does most of the cooking. So but yeah, the ausobucco, 967 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: we cooked bone in with part of that hot it. 968 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: I cut it with a saws all the bone so ausobuco. 969 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: The November December issue of Barony magazine, uh Colby did 970 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,800 Speaker 1: an article on ausobucco where you you take the shank, 971 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: which is like the least desirable cut of meat on 972 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: any animal, like the front the lower section of the 973 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 1: leg on the front quarters its grind meat. I mean, 974 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 1: it's sinewy, it's tough, and you and you and you 975 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: slice it like you're slicing the loaf of bread. Leave 976 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: the bone in and then you Colby cooked it in 977 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,920 Speaker 1: a in a what he cooked in a is that 978 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: what you did too? It was? In fact, man, we 979 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 1: that's our go to for a lot of meals now 980 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: and especially wild game meals. It's fast and it really 981 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 1: breaks it down and and and makes it so tender. 982 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. But yeah, we made that with it. Um. 983 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, what got me on that was you might 984 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,879 Speaker 1: want to leave some bone in for things like that, 985 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,520 Speaker 1: but other than that, like I don't like to take 986 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: bone in the house. It's it's a lot more work 987 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: for me breaking it down in the house than it 988 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,359 Speaker 1: is hanging out in the field. And we uh so, yeah, 989 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: we hey talking about bone in Let me just interject 990 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 1: this because you guys are a part of it. Remember 991 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,799 Speaker 1: that ham that I yeah, that y'all ate with us. 992 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 1: That was incredible And that was the first real well 993 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,880 Speaker 1: I've cured pork hams before. That was actually the first 994 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 1: bear ham that I cured. Now I had smoked bear 995 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,360 Speaker 1: ham before and just basically had smoked meat. That was 996 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,359 Speaker 1: so when you say the word ham, you're talking about 997 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: the back back lag of the animal. But a cured 998 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,399 Speaker 1: ham would be like a Christmas ham. Cured ham would 999 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: be like pink meat. That's characteristic of a cured meat. 1000 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: Usually it's pork that we cure. Well, we cured a 1001 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: bear ham and uh we did an article on it 1002 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: and like the September July August or September issue of 1003 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: Barnie magazine. Yeah, man, you know I overcooked that meat 1004 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: a little bit, Isn't that what we decided. It's been 1005 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 1: a little while. You said you did, and maybe you did, 1006 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 1: but man, I thought it was fantastic even the next day. Yeah, 1007 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 1: you sent some home with me in the next day. 1008 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,960 Speaker 1: It's just fantastic. And what did you just put honey 1009 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 1: on it? Right? Well, I glazed it with honey. But 1010 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 1: you know it had a special cure. I mean, you 1011 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,920 Speaker 1: do have to get the Instacure. Uh. I ordered it 1012 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: off Amazon really easy. You get Instacure, and and you know, 1013 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: you just you do have to follow this recipe and 1014 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,560 Speaker 1: it's a wet cure, so you leave it like a 1015 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: like one. You let it brian for one day per 1016 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,440 Speaker 1: pound of the ham. So this was a nine pound ham, 1017 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 1: and I think we let it brian for seven days, 1018 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,320 Speaker 1: maybe eight days, and uh oh it was just right. 1019 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: So we brind it and then we smoked it and 1020 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,000 Speaker 1: I let it stay on the smoke for like four 1021 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,680 Speaker 1: hours and then put it covered in the oven for 1022 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,400 Speaker 1: like another three hours or something, so it cooked like 1023 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: a total like seven hours. But like that would be 1024 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: a good example of bony and stuff. But uh, you know, 1025 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,960 Speaker 1: I just want to say to just for somebody that 1026 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 1: listened to this podcast for this thing about like how 1027 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,520 Speaker 1: to butcher a bear, like always say this, like people 1028 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 1: are intimidated about killing a bear. And butchering it. Like, 1029 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised at that, because if you know 1030 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: how to skin of deer, it's no different skin and 1031 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,959 Speaker 1: a bear other than you're gonna have to joint out 1032 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,360 Speaker 1: the feet. That's the only thing different. Then uh like 1033 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: a like a white tail, and uh, I keep going 1034 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: back to Barony magazine. You remember all the pictures we 1035 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:10,120 Speaker 1: took of jointing out. Yeah, those weren't great pictures because 1036 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,040 Speaker 1: we were we were hot, and it it's like my 1037 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,080 Speaker 1: phone was fogging up. But basically, you know, I mean, 1038 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,160 Speaker 1: any four legged animal that has hair, you're gonna cut 1039 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: it up the center. You're gonna cut down from the 1040 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: wrists down to the chest, down to the legs, skin 1041 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 1: the hide off, and it's just got four quarters, backstraps, 1042 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 1: and loins and ribs and neck meat. That's all it's got. Yeah. 1043 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 1: And it complicated a little bit because I wanted to 1044 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: keep the hide and head. Yeah, And the most people 1045 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: that are killing the bears, they're gonna do that. Um, 1046 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,480 Speaker 1: But we in the field, we leave the feet in 1047 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 1: the hide and the head and the hide, so there's 1048 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: no reason to Most of the time, the text rmers 1049 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: takes care of that. But you do just have to 1050 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,680 Speaker 1: get to the risk joints and you know what we 1051 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 1: would call and the ankle joints, and you just gotta 1052 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's actually really simple and and I even 1053 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,400 Speaker 1: sometimes it's still when I get to it could be 1054 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,200 Speaker 1: a little bit like dang, this is gonna be hard. 1055 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 1: But basically, if you just if you just slow down 1056 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 1: and just move those feet, move the feet and kind 1057 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 1: of locate where that pivot point is and then get 1058 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: your knife in there and start poking around, you'll pop 1059 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 1: that joint and then be able to cut that foot 1060 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 1: off and then you just skin that hide and then 1061 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 1: that bear just has four quarters, two backstraps, two inner 1062 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:29,360 Speaker 1: tender loins, neck, meat and ribs and fat. And you 1063 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: carried it all out. If you got a mule, you 1064 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: put it on your mule. If you gotta to fourteen 1065 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: year old boys, you put it in their backpass. You 1066 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,160 Speaker 1: have them carried off the mountain bear. Do you remember 1067 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: when we I killed rock Slide and I took you 1068 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,920 Speaker 1: up to get him. Bear was with me when I 1069 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: killed that mountain bear. Man, that thing was like skinning 1070 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,480 Speaker 1: a beached whale up on the side of the mountain. 1071 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,880 Speaker 1: We had six guys and we all carried out parts 1072 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 1: of it. My my packway ninety eight pounds coming off 1073 01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: that mountain. What yours way? Bear would have been like, uh, 1074 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,840 Speaker 1: well it was it was hold would you have been? 1075 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 1: It was seven years ago? Like eight I think, Okay, 1076 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 1: the total derailed. But I gotta say this because I remember, man, 1077 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: we were coming off the mountain in the dark out 1078 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: of ninety eight pound pack, and I was carrying my 1079 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,000 Speaker 1: gun too, and uh it was dark, and I had 1080 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,760 Speaker 1: my seven year old son with me, and we had 1081 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,280 Speaker 1: to cross a pretty fast flowing creek and uh, I 1082 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,200 Speaker 1: remember Bear was in front of me where it's dark, 1083 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 1: and I mean we're just like, I'm just running off adrenaline. 1084 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,520 Speaker 1: You know. I've been up since way before daylight that morning. 1085 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: Now it's way after dark. I've killed this what we 1086 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: believed was a five pound bear. I mean, just like 1087 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: this incredible day. We're coming out of the woods and 1088 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 1: we come to this creek and I had carried him 1089 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 1: across on the way there, but now I got a 1090 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 1: ninety eight pound pack on and and I just say 1091 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,320 Speaker 1: bear across that creek and I could see him getting 1092 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: nervous and kind of like not really knowing how to 1093 01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: do it. And man, I just grabbed him up by 1094 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: one arm and just stormed across that creek. And I 1095 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,000 Speaker 1: just remember thinking, adrenaline is an amazing thing because there's 1096 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,439 Speaker 1: no way I could have I felt like I could 1097 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,080 Speaker 1: have done that if i'd have been like in my 1098 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 1: right mind, like because I don't know, he probably weighed 1099 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 1: forty pounds at that time. I don't know, maybe not 1100 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,680 Speaker 1: side anyway sidetracked, but that was a good packout story. 1101 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Um So, what are you gonna do with you? Bear? Matt? 1102 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,360 Speaker 1: So we've eaten I think three, no, four meals, I 1103 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,640 Speaker 1: think already. So we've had We had the ausabuco. We 1104 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: we ground a lot of it. Um and then ground 1105 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,320 Speaker 1: bear meat is incredible ground meat. Oh yeah. We we 1106 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 1: had chili one night with it, which fantastic. We had 1107 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,120 Speaker 1: um man, we had bear stew the other night, and 1108 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: how good was that? Weston ground chunks just so so 1109 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: like stewed stewed up chunks. And my wife cooked it 1110 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,720 Speaker 1: in the insta pot and she just kicked it first 1111 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 1: in the insta pot in the insta pot. Really good 1112 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,160 Speaker 1: with some some oil. I'm not sure what she used. 1113 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,160 Speaker 1: It was some sort of that would stand a high temp, 1114 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 1: seared it really good, and then uh worked her magic 1115 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,480 Speaker 1: from there. Man just put everything in it and cooked 1116 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 1: it in that thing for a while and it was incredible. 1117 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,520 Speaker 1: And then the other meal that Shepherd's pie we head 1118 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,960 Speaker 1: was bear. Wasn't it what you think of that? I 1119 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,800 Speaker 1: thought it was really good? What? Okay? So this being, uh, 1120 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 1: how do you handle if somebody says, hey, Matt, what 1121 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 1: about trickin nosis? I would say, you know, from from 1122 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,600 Speaker 1: all the research I've done, which a lot of it's 1123 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,840 Speaker 1: been from education from you. I know, Ranella did a 1124 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 1: thing on it where he actually contracted it right, and uh, 1125 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,880 Speaker 1: just just to be careful, you know, just use common sense, 1126 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: clean all surfaces, but then just cook it. I think 1127 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,920 Speaker 1: what one it dies instantly? That you nailed it, and 1128 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,560 Speaker 1: if you cook it for a long enough period you 1129 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,160 Speaker 1: don't even have to get to one forty four? Right you? 1130 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: You nailed it so few people. I mean that that 1131 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,480 Speaker 1: data that you just said is what I got off 1132 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:13,200 Speaker 1: the government website. I can't remember what it what it 1133 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,560 Speaker 1: would be the c d C I don't know. Is 1134 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: that what it is? U S D A Y in 1135 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 1: it and it and it was talking about pork because 1136 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,440 Speaker 1: tea and pork used to be a big thing. Dies 1137 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,840 Speaker 1: instantly at a hundred forty four degrees and and it 1138 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: there's a gradual scale, so at one forty three and 1139 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm just making this up now, but just so you 1140 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,200 Speaker 1: get an understanding, at a hundred forty three degrees for 1141 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,000 Speaker 1: three seconds, it would die. At a hundred forty two degrees, 1142 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,000 Speaker 1: at six seconds, it would die. And it goes all 1143 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 1: the way down to like if you cooked it for 1144 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,920 Speaker 1: and I'm just making this up, so nobody go and 1145 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,640 Speaker 1: do this, but like you know, some you know, for 1146 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 1: three hours and a hundred twenty degrees, it would kill it. 1147 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Like there's this graduated scale where it dies. So this 1148 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,760 Speaker 1: idea that you just gotta cook bear meat till it's 1149 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 1: black is just not true. And most foods we are 1150 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,600 Speaker 1: accustomed to cooking to one sixty five. And I'm not 1151 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,919 Speaker 1: suggesting you cook all your bear to one four. I'm 1152 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,600 Speaker 1: just saying, go ahead and cook it to one sixty ish. 1153 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: But you kill that trickin nosis a long time before that. Yeah, 1154 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,919 Speaker 1: And that's what we do. And I have zero fear 1155 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,320 Speaker 1: of it. Honestly, I would have more fear of getting 1156 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,480 Speaker 1: salmonilla poison something by the store. Um. But the only 1157 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 1: difference in what we do with deer meat and bear 1158 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,160 Speaker 1: meat because of that is with my dear tender deoins, 1159 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,720 Speaker 1: I cook them kind of like a steak on the 1160 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,760 Speaker 1: grill and we'll we'll rob olive oil on them, put 1161 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,959 Speaker 1: something pepper on them. Just see here, I'm really good, 1162 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,400 Speaker 1: and leave them pink in the middle. Yeah, yeah, I 1163 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,120 Speaker 1: won't do that with bear. But but other than that, man, 1164 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 1: anything we use deer meat for, we use bear meat for. 1165 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 1: And so so you would ground meat, did you do? 1166 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,920 Speaker 1: You go ahead and cut it up in the steaks 1167 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 1: before you freeze it. I don't what I left was, 1168 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,880 Speaker 1: and I think I labeled them bear hunk, So just 1169 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: hunk of clean meat off the back hand, and then 1170 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,840 Speaker 1: so you'll thaw it out and then you'll cut it 1171 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,680 Speaker 1: up into stew. Me cut it up in the stakes 1172 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: into whatever. Yeah, we can decide later what we do 1173 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,840 Speaker 1: with it. Um. And that's how we did that. And 1174 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 1: and there's obviously a lot of ways you can freeze meat. 1175 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 1: A lot of people use the vacuum sealer or I 1176 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,320 Speaker 1: used to use just ziplock bags past few years. I 1177 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,919 Speaker 1: use freezer paper. Okay, so you don't even put any 1178 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,920 Speaker 1: kind of plastic or something anything. I wrap it in 1179 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 1: freezer paper, Uh, tape it up good. And I just 1180 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 1: make sure I eat all my wild game before the 1181 01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,760 Speaker 1: next season starts. And I've never had an issue. Yeah, 1182 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,560 Speaker 1: you know. I I like to cut my meat to 1183 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,920 Speaker 1: it's finished product before I freeze it. It's just a preference, 1184 01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,520 Speaker 1: just so that I can just pulled out. So I'll 1185 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,320 Speaker 1: this la. We can some deer in the last ten days, 1186 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,480 Speaker 1: and I Misty has been wanting cubes for she just 1187 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,560 Speaker 1: does a lot of stuff with just cubed meat. So 1188 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:16,040 Speaker 1: I went ahead and cubed everything. I made roasts, made 1189 01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 1: tender loin. The tender loins I would cut into sections, 1190 01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,240 Speaker 1: kind of like a servings, you know, like for a family. 1191 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,320 Speaker 1: Take a whole tender loin and cut it three times 1192 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,880 Speaker 1: and put it in a ziplock back. But and I'm 1193 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,720 Speaker 1: just using ziplock bags. I'm pretty old school. I'm sure 1194 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,720 Speaker 1: I'll end up getting the vacuum sealer pretty soon, just 1195 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,760 Speaker 1: because that's the trendy thing to do. I used one 1196 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,200 Speaker 1: for wise didn't like it. Some of the seals wouldn't 1197 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't take, and it just this contraption that you're fighting. 1198 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,360 Speaker 1: I just so you were there and went back. Yeah, okay, 1199 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,440 Speaker 1: I went from ziplock to vacuum seal to freezer paper. 1200 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,360 Speaker 1: You know, Matt, you're kind of an old fashioned kind 1201 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,280 Speaker 1: of guy. A little bit. When y'all told me that 1202 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: y'are back in the boonies the other night and didn't 1203 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,640 Speaker 1: have on X, was like, this is a real woodsman. 1204 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:08,680 Speaker 1: It's either a real woodsman or just somebody real frugal technologically. 1205 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:15,240 Speaker 1: Um no, so um. I was, okay, fat, give me 1206 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,519 Speaker 1: you you harvested? How much? How many pounds of fat 1207 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,680 Speaker 1: did we get off that broad? I didn't weigh the poundage, 1208 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 1: but uh, it was a lot, and I didn't. You 1209 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,200 Speaker 1: did some tutorials on it, I think, and I was 1210 01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,679 Speaker 1: kind of going based off that, but I didn't really 1211 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,000 Speaker 1: know what I was doing, so I don't know if 1212 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,599 Speaker 1: I did it right or not. But what I did, 1213 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,880 Speaker 1: I didn't freeze it first. I just cubed it up 1214 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,639 Speaker 1: in the house, and then I took it outside into 1215 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,479 Speaker 1: like a turkey fryar and threw it in that fire, 1216 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 1: turned the fire on on, and walked away. And that 1217 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,720 Speaker 1: was my first mistake, and I'm bad to do that. 1218 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,840 Speaker 1: That's why my wife didn't let me cook. I'll turn 1219 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,599 Speaker 1: it on and leave. But I think I started burning 1220 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,880 Speaker 1: it at the time I went back out. I had 1221 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,360 Speaker 1: had you put it all in at one time I did. 1222 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: That might have been a mistake to um, But I 1223 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,360 Speaker 1: started burning a little bit, So I turned my fire 1224 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,920 Speaker 1: down and started stirning it up a little bit. And man, 1225 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,479 Speaker 1: I was expecting like twenty minutes. I took it. I 1226 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,320 Speaker 1: cooked it for a long time, like probably over an hour, 1227 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,120 Speaker 1: and it still didn't get it all to melt. Um 1228 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,320 Speaker 1: We Weston helped me jar it, and uh we we 1229 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,719 Speaker 1: got thirteen point jars out of it, and I still 1230 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,960 Speaker 1: had a lot of little cubes that were solid in 1231 01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the pot. But I've found that a pound of bear 1232 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,200 Speaker 1: fat will make about a pint of oil, So we 1233 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,920 Speaker 1: probably had about thirteen pounds fifteen pounds. I would say 1234 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 1: if all of it would have rendered down to a liquid, 1235 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,439 Speaker 1: I would have probably had twenty pounds. Yeah, that's probably 1236 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,439 Speaker 1: about it, right, Yeah, I bet we had. I bet 1237 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,320 Speaker 1: we got twenty pounds of fat off that bed. Yeah, 1238 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:53,160 Speaker 1: but man, it was just as brown and clear and beautiful. Uh, 1239 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,040 Speaker 1: it was awesome. I mean it did turned kind of 1240 01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: cloudy and white overnight, is it cooled down. But uh, yeah, 1241 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,160 Speaker 1: we just poured in the jars. I put lids on them. 1242 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,200 Speaker 1: A lot of them actually popped and sealed. Yes, Uh, 1243 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,200 Speaker 1: report you just so all you gotta do. There's not 1244 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,040 Speaker 1: there's no there's no tricks. I mean, I you just 1245 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,240 Speaker 1: use Mason jars with the syllable is just like you 1246 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,840 Speaker 1: would use if you were cannon vegetables or something. And 1247 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean you just pour the oil in while it's hot. 1248 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,000 Speaker 1: I typically let it cool down just a few minutes 1249 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,759 Speaker 1: before I put the lid on, but you can pretty 1250 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,120 Speaker 1: much put the lid on right away and that's it, 1251 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,280 Speaker 1: that in that jar. I have used bar oil, and 1252 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,439 Speaker 1: I probably said there's a hundred times on this podcast. 1253 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,120 Speaker 1: I guess I keep saying it. I've used bear grease 1254 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:42,280 Speaker 1: that's setting a window sill for a year and a half. Uh, 1255 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,719 Speaker 1: and it was still usable. I could start to taste 1256 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of an off taste in it at a year 1257 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,759 Speaker 1: and a half and it wasn't it wasn't off putting, 1258 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't soured. But I could just I could I 1259 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,960 Speaker 1: could be like, yeah, it's kind of old, so man, 1260 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,679 Speaker 1: and if you kill a bear, I would say, you've 1261 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,280 Speaker 1: for sure got a year of good use. Yeah, and 1262 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,360 Speaker 1: I would absolutely take advantage of it because it's it's 1263 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,600 Speaker 1: we probably already used four or five yards. What are 1264 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,679 Speaker 1: you doing with man? We used it a deer camp. 1265 01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,280 Speaker 1: We fried deer meat in it. We fried taters in it. 1266 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,920 Speaker 1: I uh, I agrease our biscuit pan at at deer 1267 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,680 Speaker 1: camp so the biscuits don't stick. It works incredibly well. 1268 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,280 Speaker 1: I'll grease my frying panting home before I cook eggs. 1269 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,560 Speaker 1: Just rub some in it. They don't stick. It's uh, 1270 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,799 Speaker 1: it's amazing. I love it. Yeah, I love bar grease 1271 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:40,200 Speaker 1: man bargrease. Well, um, it's it's great for frying fish too. 1272 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,439 Speaker 1: I haven't tried that yet. Yeah, you guys got to 1273 01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,599 Speaker 1: catch some fish. Westing just kind of shallow fry as 1274 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,320 Speaker 1: Honespitela says, uh, you know, about a quarter inch, a 1275 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,920 Speaker 1: little bit more of oil and just flip the fish. 1276 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, bar oiled fried potatoes. I don't know that 1277 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,519 Speaker 1: there's anything better. I mean, like in terms of you 1278 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,840 Speaker 1: couldn't have a better oil, you know. And and now 1279 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,200 Speaker 1: what they're finding is that the science, the data, the 1280 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,280 Speaker 1: nutritionists are now saying that animal fat is some of 1281 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,559 Speaker 1: the healthiest oil that you can use. Like, so, don't 1282 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,760 Speaker 1: feel like you're compromising your health when you're cooking in 1283 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,599 Speaker 1: barrel oil. Uh. So this guy that was on Ronnella's 1284 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:30,240 Speaker 1: podcast the other day, Carnivore m d Um, what's going 1285 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: on here? Guys? They're get they're throwing hand six. Yeah, 1286 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,280 Speaker 1: y'all gonn play basketball here in a minute. But just wait. 1287 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,519 Speaker 1: Uh a guy named Carnivore m d. He's a medical doctor, 1288 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,519 Speaker 1: and he's doing some experiments on eating only carnivorous diet, 1289 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,160 Speaker 1: and he says that there are certain things about animal 1290 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,000 Speaker 1: fats that are actually more healthy than even olive oil. 1291 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,719 Speaker 1: Because you know, like right now, Barnet, like, if somebody's 1292 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,200 Speaker 1: listening to this and they're still using like a lot 1293 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,200 Speaker 1: of the time, using canola oil and vegetable oil for frying, 1294 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're just killing yourself. I mean, and that's 1295 01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,880 Speaker 1: what we yeah, and and and and you know, once 1296 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,840 Speaker 1: or twice a year, I'll still use it just because 1297 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,840 Speaker 1: it sometimes you have to. And that's what fast food 1298 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,200 Speaker 1: stuff is fried in. So I mean, it's just like 1299 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,720 Speaker 1: poison to the human body. And it's very different than 1300 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,400 Speaker 1: end product, Like even with the deer meat, it's not 1301 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,880 Speaker 1: is like oily when you used when we use the bargrease, 1302 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of that bargrease, I don't know where 1303 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,840 Speaker 1: it goes. It cooks out. Yeah, it's going up in 1304 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,679 Speaker 1: the air somewhere. But we had to keep adding even 1305 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:38,000 Speaker 1: to the taters. But well, it's it's it's the healthy 1306 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:44,599 Speaker 1: choice boys, healthy oil, God's oil. Bear grease, bear grease. Man. 1307 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,200 Speaker 1: I love bar grease. I love it. I love it. Um. 1308 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,479 Speaker 1: One thing I was gonna say, just for we've had 1309 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,160 Speaker 1: podcasts about this, videos about this and stuff, but best 1310 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:59,920 Speaker 1: practice for rendering bear fat is to grind the fat 1311 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,160 Speaker 1: before you and and and it's it's a lot of 1312 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,400 Speaker 1: work to do that you don't have to. So what 1313 01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna say is like, probably a better thing 1314 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,519 Speaker 1: to have done would have been to turn that turkey 1315 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,680 Speaker 1: for on lowest heat possible and probably not put it 1316 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,480 Speaker 1: all in it once. And you gotta stir it pretty. 1317 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,040 Speaker 1: You gotta stir it a lot at first, because those 1318 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,760 Speaker 1: first pieces of fat that hit are gonna want to 1319 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: stick and sizzle and burn and cook it more like gravy. 1320 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,719 Speaker 1: Keep it stirring, keep it stirring, and once it once 1321 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,960 Speaker 1: it once, you get a layer of oil at the 1322 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,280 Speaker 1: bottom of it that kind of like lubricates the rest 1323 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,400 Speaker 1: of it. But when you chunk it up, you'll never 1324 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,799 Speaker 1: utilize all the oil because you'll it'll always just render 1325 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,920 Speaker 1: down to a certain point and you end up having 1326 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,760 Speaker 1: maybe cracklings. You know where you have about will be 1327 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,439 Speaker 1: solids and uh and you can take those solids out 1328 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,800 Speaker 1: and salt them and pepperam and eat them the dogs them, 1329 01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 1: or put him in zip like wags and use them 1330 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,639 Speaker 1: as dog treats in the next year. Hey, I wanted 1331 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,200 Speaker 1: to ask you that. So when I'm when I'm skinning 1332 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,720 Speaker 1: the deer and cutting up the meat, you have a 1333 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,920 Speaker 1: lot of waste. You know, you're you're what you call it, 1334 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,600 Speaker 1: the not the tending starved with an ass send you 1335 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,920 Speaker 1: send you. I never know what to call it, but 1336 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 1: a lot of that waste. I always just chunk it 1337 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,400 Speaker 1: up and feed it to my dogs and it'll, you know, 1338 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,720 Speaker 1: it'll it'll keep us from buying dog fit for a 1339 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,160 Speaker 1: week or two. I didn't do that with the Bearer 1340 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:32,040 Speaker 1: because I wasn't sure about the thesis going to the dogs. Yeah, 1341 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,720 Speaker 1: that's a good question, um, and I don't have a 1342 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,439 Speaker 1: scientific answer. I know that dogs, My dogs have eaten 1343 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,080 Speaker 1: bear meat and and show no symptoms of anything in distress. 1344 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: If you and I ate raw bear meat and got trichinosis, 1345 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,519 Speaker 1: we'd get sick. Yeah, you know. Um, but just like 1346 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,960 Speaker 1: that bear, for whatever reason, a bear can carry trickin 1347 01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,800 Speaker 1: nosis and not affect him. Yeah, I mean because he's 1348 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:06,200 Speaker 1: not I've never heard anybody speculate on like what that 1349 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,799 Speaker 1: parasite actually does to that bear. But the healthiest bears 1350 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,400 Speaker 1: on the planet might have trickin nosis. So it's almost 1351 01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,760 Speaker 1: like they're a host, but they're unaffected. We when we're 1352 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,160 Speaker 1: a host, it kills us or you know, you're not 1353 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:24,599 Speaker 1: gonna die from trichinosis, but untreated, you know it could 1354 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,720 Speaker 1: mess you up. So does it hurt the dogs. I 1355 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,000 Speaker 1: don't think so, but I don't know why. I couldn't 1356 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 1: tell you why. Yeah, I probably wasted some then, because 1357 01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,880 Speaker 1: all that that's I'm gonna research that. I mean, uh, 1358 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,920 Speaker 1: because my dogs have eaten bear meat and uh, you know, 1359 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,519 Speaker 1: maybe they've all got trichinosis, but they all still hunt 1360 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,680 Speaker 1: and do fine. Yeah, it may not matter. I don't know. 1361 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,080 Speaker 1: That's a great question. But um so, anyway, best best 1362 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:54,040 Speaker 1: practice is to get that fat, cube it up, get 1363 01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,320 Speaker 1: the fat cold, and you know, put in the freezer 1364 01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,880 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes and then grind it and you'll get 1365 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,960 Speaker 1: about a nineties seven percent efficiency rate in turning fat 1366 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,280 Speaker 1: into oil. You'll have a little bit of crackling, you know, 1367 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of scuzz. Scuzz is the wrong word. I mean, 1368 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,840 Speaker 1: just like you know, grains, you'll just because it's so 1369 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,320 Speaker 1: finely ground. But that's best practice. But you know, other 1370 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:25,000 Speaker 1: than it, maybe approaching it wrong. It was super easy. 1371 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,320 Speaker 1: Like I thought we'd have to strain a bunch of 1372 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,400 Speaker 1: stuff out of it. Man, it poured off just clean. 1373 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have to strain it at all. I see. 1374 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: I usually strained mine through cheese cloth. I used my 1375 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,000 Speaker 1: wife's got a little it's not a colander, it's it's 1376 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,519 Speaker 1: it's kind of shape like one, but it's more like 1377 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,960 Speaker 1: a screen door would be. Yeah, that that and I 1378 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,160 Speaker 1: used that but it didn't catch much and the grease 1379 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:57,000 Speaker 1: just came out clean. So awesome. Well, um that's that's 1380 01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:01,559 Speaker 1: that's good stuff. Man. Really utilizing the bear meat, I 1381 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,040 Speaker 1: mean you know, we say it all the time, but 1382 01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a time when people didn't eat 1383 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,000 Speaker 1: deer and they ate bear. They were like, they killed 1384 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,680 Speaker 1: deer for their hides and bear for the meat. You know, 1385 01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,120 Speaker 1: I can see why. And it's funny because most people 1386 01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,200 Speaker 1: I talked to like, you can eat bear. Yeah, man, 1387 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,000 Speaker 1: I prefer bear over deer. Yeah. I think it's it's 1388 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,000 Speaker 1: more tender. It's just we love it. This is a 1389 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:30,160 Speaker 1: symptom of our society trying to push out the backwoodsman 1390 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,719 Speaker 1: mentalities and ways out of the culture. Boys were bringing 1391 01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:39,479 Speaker 1: it back. Baker for bringing it back. All right. There 1392 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,920 Speaker 1: was a time when a bear hide being being salted 1393 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 1: and hanging on your barn was a status symbol. It's 1394 01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,439 Speaker 1: like having a Porsche parked down in front of your house. 1395 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,840 Speaker 1: You drive by somebody's house, They're like, oh, man, they 1396 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,080 Speaker 1: killed a bear. They're gonna be living high on the 1397 01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,200 Speaker 1: bear this year. The guy that didn't have the bearer 1398 01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,160 Speaker 1: were like, man, sorry, I feel sorry for that guy. 1399 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,200 Speaker 1: It's like driving past the guy that's you know, got 1400 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,599 Speaker 1: like the nineteen Toyota Corolla out in front of this house. 1401 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,880 Speaker 1: It's like, man, I dude is having a hard time. Yeah, 1402 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,680 Speaker 1: I think when I when I go up, it was 1403 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: big catfish heads the status simple Southwest Arkansas. People would 1404 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,320 Speaker 1: hang them from uh like road signs and stuff in 1405 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:32,800 Speaker 1: front of their house. Yeah, yeah, look what I caught. Hey, 1406 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:37,320 Speaker 1: thank you guys, uh Weston. Congratulations on the on those deer. 1407 01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:43,840 Speaker 1: Thank you Bear, Congratulations on your deer. Matt, congratulations on 1408 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,240 Speaker 1: your deer and bear and Bobcat and big wild hog. 1409 01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,320 Speaker 1: Thank you man. Thank you for for taking me that 1410 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, the whole adventure from Ryan the mules up 1411 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,960 Speaker 1: that rugged mountain to to seeing the bearer taking in 1412 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,839 Speaker 1: utilizing every piece of it. Like, what an incredible adventure. 1413 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,000 Speaker 1: And I didn't have to do any of the work. 1414 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,800 Speaker 1: You know, you've baited it and you were available part 1415 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:11,120 Speaker 1: of part of Sometimes good fortune comes to those who 1416 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,479 Speaker 1: have built their world in such a way that they're available. Well, 1417 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,599 Speaker 1: I told you, I said, next year, when it's time debate, 1418 01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,000 Speaker 1: I'll go help you bait and and not even hunt, 1419 01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,800 Speaker 1: I'll help do the work next time. Well, I tell 1420 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,479 Speaker 1: you what, here's here's how you can repay me. And 1421 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,679 Speaker 1: you've already mentioned this, and I was going to bring 1422 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,720 Speaker 1: this up not on the podcast, but if you say 1423 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,599 Speaker 1: stuff on the podcast, it becomes official because then like 1424 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:36,519 Speaker 1: other people hear it and you kind of have to 1425 01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,400 Speaker 1: be accountable to it. Whatever you say. I mean, you 1426 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,559 Speaker 1: could say no, but I need some help. Flesh and 1427 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,879 Speaker 1: all these coon hides and the one skunk cod that's 1428 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:53,519 Speaker 1: I've got. I've got to bobcat hides too. I've got okay, 1429 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,320 Speaker 1: we've got to bobcat hides a skunk cod in a 1430 01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,960 Speaker 1: bunch of coon hides. Weston's got one or two coons 1431 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,200 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, that's right, that's I was trying to 1432 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,840 Speaker 1: remember why I had you guys chalked. That's ones that 1433 01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna help. It's because y'all got coons in there. Still, 1434 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,679 Speaker 1: we need a good cold. They didn't have to be cold, 1435 01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,600 Speaker 1: but just like a Saturday that's not hot and not 1436 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,559 Speaker 1: during hunting season, probably decent. Well, we need to do 1437 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,280 Speaker 1: it soon to beat all the guys to the tannery 1438 01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,760 Speaker 1: because all the trappers are about to start trapping and 1439 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna send their stuff that tannery. I got big 1440 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:31,280 Speaker 1: plans for my Bobcat that I killed. Yeah, big plans. 1441 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,360 Speaker 1: Are you're gonna make a hat? Yeah? Yeah, I'd love 1442 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,240 Speaker 1: to see that hat. Yeah, I got big plans for 1443 01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:46,200 Speaker 1: those those coons too. That's for another podcast. All right, guys, Well, 1444 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,080 Speaker 1: do y' all know what we say at the end 1445 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:52,960 Speaker 1: of the podcast. Do you know Weston, you don't bear? 1446 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,040 Speaker 1: You know, keep the wild places wild because that's where 1447 01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,559 Speaker 1: the bears live. Nailed it.