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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant over there, and this

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Speaker 1: is Stuff you should Know. The Delicia Dish, the Delicia Dish.

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Speaker 1: If you hear my dog's barking, I'm sorry, they will

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Speaker 1: not shut up. I really don't hear them. Well, I

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Speaker 1: can't see them either. I no, I canna hear them always.

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Speaker 1: You're very barky. That's the shell tea and them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we house at our friend's dog, you know, Scotty.

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Speaker 1: Scotty's dog, Benny, came over for two weeks. Friend. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know Benny. They kind of just coexist. We kind

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Speaker 1: of joked that he didn't know how to be a dog,

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Speaker 1: but he learned how to be a dog while he

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Speaker 1: was here a little bit being around our guys for

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Speaker 1: two weeks. But Scotty got married, by the way, So

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Speaker 1: congratulations Scotty and little it's congratulations Goddie. I gotta send

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Speaker 1: him like an ice cream maker or something. And I

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Speaker 1: got to aficiate my first wedding, which was fun. What

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Speaker 1: is going on? Yeah, it was really really enjoyed it

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Speaker 1: quite an honor. So that explains why you went through Catechism,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, so they got married, went on their

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Speaker 1: honeymoon for two weeks. We had Benny, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I started with that. Oh, Benny doesn't bark,

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Speaker 1: because Benny does know how to be a dog. But

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Speaker 1: he learned how to bark while he was here. Man,

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Speaker 1: that's not something you want your dog to learn, because

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Speaker 1: I have the barking his dogs of all time. He said, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that. Okay, I've heard of that before. That's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Let me try. But there's nothing to do with cookies. No,

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Speaker 1: but everything henceforth in this episode we'll have to do

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Speaker 1: with cookies. Yeah, and I'm baking cookies tonight, by the way,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I yes. Restarting researching this, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm baking cookies too. And I want to give a

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Speaker 1: huge shout out to uh Sally's baking addiction. Who is

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Speaker 1: brown butter chocolate chip cookie recipe is hands down the

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Speaker 1: finest example of a chocolate chip cookie I've ever encountered

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Speaker 1: in my life. Yes, I mean, like days later, still chewy,

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Speaker 1: amazing stuff and it's worth the little extra effort and

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Speaker 1: making brown butter just totally worth it. I can't overstate

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Speaker 1: how good that recipe is, so you're not one of

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Speaker 1: those weirdos. It likes a good crisp chocolate chip cookie.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit crisp beyond the edges, a little

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Speaker 1: bit chewy in the middle. It's it's a balance of everything.

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Speaker 1: But I can go either way. It's pretty. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be like a pretty lousy chocolate chip cookie for

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Speaker 1: me to not want it. You know, Yeah, I'll take

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Speaker 1: a crispy one. But boy, that the fresh out of

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Speaker 1: the oven kind that like folds down like a hot

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Speaker 1: slice of New York pizza. Yes, dude, I actually went

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Speaker 1: and purchased actual cow's milk to drink with while I

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Speaker 1: ate these cookies. They were it was that special whole milk. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there were like chunks of fat just knocking around at

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Speaker 1: the top of the milk bottle. Uh. There's We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about the cookies we like and don't

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Speaker 1: like in here, and what makes certain cookies great, of course,

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Speaker 1: but I guess we should just go a little bit

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Speaker 1: with the history and that the fact that a cookie

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Speaker 1: is you know, it's sort of like a cake, but

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Speaker 1: the ratio of ingredients is different, and that with a

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Speaker 1: cake you end up with what's called batter, and with

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Speaker 1: the ratio of your ingredients. Yeah, and also sometimes the

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Speaker 1: ingredients themselves can differ. But if there's any other baked

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Speaker 1: good that a cookie resembles most closely, it's probably a cake.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think the Cambridge and Collins dictionaries both

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Speaker 1: defined cookies as sweet usually round, flat cakes, which it

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Speaker 1: seems sensible, but when you really dig into it, you're like,

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Speaker 1: this actually doesn't fully hold up. Yeah, the cookies a cookie, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because the cake, if you want to get you know,

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Speaker 1: jiggy with it. A cookie um is its own thing.

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Speaker 1: You hold a cookie with you eat it with your hand.

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Speaker 1: It's a self contained thing. A cookie is just one cookie,

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Speaker 1: and you can eat multiple cookies. But a cake is

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Speaker 1: like one big unit that you cut into subunits called

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Speaker 1: cookie is not a cake, and don't call it that

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Speaker 1: ever again, right unless it's a cupcake also not even

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. A cupcake is a handcake. Oh okay, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: Well then we're on the same page. Finally, it's also

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Speaker 1: has got usually more gluten going on in it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean like if you look at um cookie dough

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Speaker 1: two totally different things. Yeah, two different things. So not

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Speaker 1: a pastry, it's a pastry. No wrong again, because pastries

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Speaker 1: Croissants and Danish is water. I didn't see water in

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Speaker 1: any of them, but water in all of them. None

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Speaker 1: of them had water. It's it's implied in the recipe.

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Speaker 1: that you pull water in in pastries that you they

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Speaker 1: have water and not the recipes. That's really interesting. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of people do say cookies are a type

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Speaker 1: of pastry. I've seen elsewhere that that's not the case. No,

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Speaker 1: it's a cookie. So I came up with a definition

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Speaker 1: of cookies, if I may share it myself, A cookie

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Speaker 1: to paper, the only issue I would take is usually round,

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Speaker 1: because I've seen a lot of chipped cookies. But but

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Speaker 1: often I said off and round? I thought you said

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Speaker 1: usually no, usually small, off and round, usually flat. Okay, alright, boy,

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Speaker 1: I like it. Okay, So we've got the definition of cookies,

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Speaker 1: As we'll see a lot of people say basically, cookies

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Speaker 1: different things. If you watch ted Lasso, you're gonna know

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Speaker 1: they call them biscuits in England, uh and also Australia.

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Speaker 1: In Spain there gelattas. The Germans call them kicks. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what that Christmas cookie. Don't even how to

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Speaker 1: pronounce that you took German? You don't know. I was

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Speaker 1: I would say it's probably like petch gin or something. Okay,

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Speaker 1: most of that word. Yes, what about Italy? Oh you're

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Speaker 1: talking about to be Scotty? Very nice? Yeah, which you

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Speaker 1: um coffee place. Yeah, I'm not a fan of about Scotty.

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Speaker 1: It really depends. But no, for the most most part,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. Which it's a good thing we're not alive

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Speaker 1: and like the or fifteenth century, because we wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: had many options, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: get it that almondy taste is fine, but if I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be a b Scotty, I got you, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So the word cookie itself chuck comes

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Speaker 1: ko e k j e means small or little cake

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Speaker 1: once again, right, So oh that's There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: different words for cookies, that's the point. But cookies are

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Speaker 1: their own thing, um, and over thousands of years people

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Speaker 1: to contribute to humanity's understanding of of baking by creating

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Speaker 1: this cookie and that cookie. And now finally we're living

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Speaker 1: Persia around seventh century CE. Uh. They had sugar for

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Speaker 1: me keep doing this. I've discovered a new thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they said, like, why don't I just make a batch

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Speaker 1: of test cakes only? And the cookie was born. That's

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Speaker 1: what gingerbread was called. But that's not like the dessert

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00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. The dessert is, you know, is

422
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: that delicious sort of molasses gingery cookie that eventually they

423
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: started making into people shapes because of Queen Elizabeth the

424
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: first when dignitaries would uh visit, they would she would

425
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: she would have cookies shaped like them in tribute, and

426
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: that's how they came to be made. I think that

427
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: was Tie Gilliam. You just did. Actually, I think didn't

428
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: we on a Christmas episode do someone gingerbread houses or

429
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: gingerbread man? Yeah, I think we did it. May it

430
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: may have been our live one that we did in

431
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. I'll have to look. Remember we've got

432
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: the handy list of everything we've ever done on Christmas

433
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: episodes that. Yeah, so you want to take a break

434
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: and then talk about cookies coming to their rightful place

435
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: where they will truly enter their true Golden Age America, USA. Yes,

436
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: that's right. We should insert like a bald eagle scream here. Oh,

437
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. So one of the reasons all

438
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: the people chuck who are like, stop talking about how

439
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: great America and it's cookies are. One of the reasons

440
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: why our cookies are so great is because America has

441
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: always been a melting pot of immigrants coming from all

442
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: these different places. And one of the things that all

443
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: these immigrants brought with them where their cookies and their

444
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: cookie ideas, their cookie traditions and all that stuff got

445
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: blended together and inspired people that come up with new

446
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: stuff too, and now we have even better cookies, but

447
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: they improved upon the traditions of the of grids who

448
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: came here in the first place. That's right. And depending

449
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: on where you go in the United States today, you're

450
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna see traces of those original immigrant populations and the

451
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: cookies that they brought by probably how popular the cookies

452
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: in that region still are today. If you go to

453
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: the Midwest, maybe uh, I don't know, Michigan, Ohio, you

454
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: might eat a pixel. I think it's bizele bazell I

455
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. I remember people calling it in Toledo. Okay,

456
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: they're probably like, oh my god, chuck that one up.

457
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: It's like a pizzas a round flat thing. A pizel

458
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: is like a little round flat thing basically all right,

459
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: but it's not like have you ever had one? Yeah?

460
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: I think so. It's like a little it's like a

461
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: little waffle, but not a stroop waffle. Yes, No, it's

462
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: like a waffle. It's a little thicker than a stroop waffle.

463
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: Um part um. It's almost like a crispi er um

464
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: doughier funnel cake that's much thinner and flatter, and it's

465
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: often flavored with annis and it can be really good,

466
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: but it can also be really dry and not good. Yeah.

467
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: But it's made in a little like waffle of iron mold. Yes,

468
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where you really

469
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: want to eat a pizel, like fresh out of the iron.

470
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: What I call it a pizel pitzel. Yeah, that's not right.

471
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: That wasn't right. It's a pitzel cookie. I believe that

472
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: the Scottish shortbreads eventually became tea cakes here in the South,

473
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: which can be a thing. Evidently, I haven't had a

474
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: lot of teacakes but I think it's like part of

475
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: the old sort of southern tradition. Yeah, and like you

476
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: said to Chuck, I mean like Americans were cool with

477
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: cookies from the from the earliest stages of the country.

478
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: The first ever cookbook that was written by an American

479
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: printed in America was printed in sevent It's called American

480
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: Cookery by Amelia Simmons, and she had a bunch of

481
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: different cookie recipes in there. She did. She had a

482
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: few gingerbread cookie recipes. I think one reportedly is by

483
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: George Washington's mother. And uh, all kinds of fun names.

484
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: Kinka Woodles or how about a how about a tangle Breech?

485
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I like that one, that's pretty good. What about plunkets

486
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: or cry babies? Cry baby sounds pretty good, it is,

487
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: but that's also the name of that little um. Remember

488
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: the sugar Daddy bar. Sugar Daddy bar, it's like a

489
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: very very chewy, I don't know what. Okay, So they

490
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: cut those into little kind of rabbit poop size pieces

491
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: and I think coated them with chocolate and called those

492
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: sugar babies. No, they're not coated in chocolate, which I

493
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: think is a failing. So that's what I always associated

494
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: with with cry babies, even though they're called sugar babies. Okay,

495
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: either that or that Johnny Depp John Waters movie of

496
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, baby Jolly Boys. That was another cookie

497
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: name met old cookbook. These are kind of fun. Sniack

498
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: or doodle not in there. No, And apparently snicker doodle

499
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: has give some sort of German derivation, but I'm not

500
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: sure about that. One thing I found researching cookies, Chuck,

501
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of contradictory information out there.

502
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: Sure that we invented it. Well, the sugar cook the

503
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: sneaker doodle is sort of a play on the sugar cookie,

504
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: as is the ice sugar cookie, which is the only

505
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of sugar cookie. I like, Oh yeah, the ice one.

506
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: You don't like snicker doodles, Huh, I consider that a

507
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: sneaker doodle. I don't. I'm just talking about a standard

508
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: sugar cookie. I like a snicker doodle. Okay, yeah, I

509
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: like sugar cookie, but I just I meant like the

510
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: plain white sugar cookies. Yeah, I know. It's almost like

511
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, well, you didn't finish there's no

512
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: frosting on here. Yeah, exactly, you know, so yeah, a little,

513
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: a little, if you're everage is hard up for something

514
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: like that. Just some like regular break and bake sugar

515
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: cookies and like a tub of vanilla frosting is all

516
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: you need to just recreate a world of wonder for yourself.

517
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, you said the snickerdoodle and the sugar cookie

518
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: I think came from German immigrants, the Moravians. Pennsylvania very

519
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: famous for their stars as well. We have a Arabian

520
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: star light which I'm a big fan of. But they

521
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: were called Nazareth sugar cookies because of Nazareth Pennsylvania. Yeah,

522
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: or some people call him Amish sugar cookies. And some

523
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: people say, well, why wouldn't they just call him Moravian

524
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: sugar cookies because that would be too confusing. Because we

525
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: can also thank our friends the Amish or the Moravians,

526
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: the the group who moved to North Carolina for inventing

527
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: the Moravian spice cookie, which is a very crispy, very

528
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: thin little cookie um made with molasses and ginger and

529
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: cinnamon that you have around the holidays. Yeah, it's close

530
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: to gingerbread, but crispi er and thinner. Yes, And that

531
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: was an American made cookie as well. So both the

532
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: sugar cookie and the morava and spice cookie were invented

533
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: by the same sect of German Protestants who arrived in

534
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in North Carolina, respectively. Mind blowing, very cool. Uh,

535
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: we got to talk about the state cookie of New Mexico,

536
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: the bisco cheeto. This was brought in by the Spanish colonists,

537
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: sort of co developed by the Pueblo people there. Uh

538
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: and uh, you know areas like New Mexico what we

539
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: now call New Mexico, and bizcocho means cakes in Spanish,

540
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: so bisco cheeto means little cakes. Yeah, and bizcocho should

541
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, it's kind of like biscodo, which

542
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: it is. It's derived from that as well, like biscotti. Yeah, exactly,

543
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: they're all cognates. I have not had a bisco cheeto

544
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: cookie yet, but I planned to. Cinnamon and annas sounds

545
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: like a very waning combination. Yeah, I looked them up

546
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: on the internet that they look tasty. They definitely do.

547
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: But then I propose that it's maybe the most famous

548
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: cookie of all. Would you agree or disagree? Am I

549
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: over overstating things? No? I think the chocolate chip cookie

550
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: is the at least from our view of the most

551
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: famous cookie of all time. Okay, so that cookie is

552
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: one of those few origin stories that you can say definitively,

553
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: this person did this, and this is when they did it.

554
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: And no, there's not some other person out there who

555
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: says that they were the ones who did it, and

556
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: there's some evidence that they may have done it three

557
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: years earlier. That's not the case. The chocolate chip cookie

558
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: was invented by a woman named Ruth Wakefield in Whitman, Massachusetts,

559
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: possibly in nineteen thirty maybe one. Apparently she didn't remember

560
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: exactly when she did it, but she is the person

561
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: who invented the chocolate chip cookie. And what's awesome about

562
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: is she invented it by accident. And where was it?

563
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: At the toll house. In the toll house in there

564
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: you are everyone. She was baking. She needed Baker's chocolate.

565
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: She didn't have any that's that unsweetened chocolate that gives

566
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, like fudge and cake, a lot of flavor

567
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: and the color. And she said, I don't have meny

568
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: of that. So I got the semi sweet chocolate. I'm

569
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna chunk it up real good. And when she put

570
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: it in there. She found that those chunks did not

571
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: just smelt him, become a part of the entire cookie.

572
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: They held their shape and they came out, uh like

573
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: little chocolate chips because of that lower cocoa butter content

574
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: and bing bang boom chocolate chip cookie. Yeah, and she

575
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: served him anyway. I guess she tried when it was

576
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: like this is pretty boss, and they became like an

577
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: instant hit at the toll house, and so it was

578
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: called the toll House Cookie. Um, and I guess words

579
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: spread enough that I don't know if she approached Nestlie

580
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: or Nestle approached her, but they struck a deal that

581
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: they could print her recipe for toll House cookies using

582
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: semi sweet chocolate chips on their bags of semi sweet

583
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: chocolate chips, that her her cookie recipe was now helping

584
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: to move pretty good in exchange for a lifetime of

585
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: free chocolate. She said. She apparently thought it was just fine.

586
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: So she actually did end up cashing in. She sold

587
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: her fully sold all of her rights to the toll

588
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: House cookie what we call the chocolate chip cookie, to Nestley.

589
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: I think I don't remember exactly when she did that.

590
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: But they had it until nineteen eighty three and then

591
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: lost the rights. Chuck. Yeah, I mean I think at

592
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: a certain point it was just like, sorry, this belongs

593
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: to the world. Yeah, there was, you can't own this anymore.

594
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: I saw eight poll that said that more people associated

595
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: the term toll house with cookies or chocolate chip cookies

596
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: in general than they did with Nestlie or any of

597
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: its products. That was not the case for me. I

598
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: always called chocolate chip cookies a chocolate chip cookie. Did

599
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: you ever call him toll house cookies? Nope, cho chocolate

600
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: chip cookies. It was a weird pole or people who

601
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: were polled in this weird pole were very weird back

602
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: in agreed, Although I don't remember. Maybe we did say

603
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: that when I was seven. I just I don't remember

604
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: it at all. I mean a TV commercial set it.

605
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: That didn't count. But that was a commercial for the

606
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Nestle bag of chips. They were chips. That's what I

607
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: always thought of him. Man, Man, do you remember the

608
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: butter scotch chips. I would just eat an entire bag

609
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: of those things by myself, just just right out of

610
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: the bag. Yeah, I mean the peanut butter chips, butter

611
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: Scotch chips, if you throw a little the plain eminem's. Uh,

612
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: those those are all good variations. But but your classic

613
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: chocolate chip cookie is is just a hands down winner. Yeah,

614
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: and in particular Sally's making addictions. Brown butter America also

615
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: birth the peanut butter cookie and the brownie, the oatmeal

616
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: raisin cookie. Um, I get. Can we skip to brownie

617
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: real quick and talk about that short of pedantis um? Yeah?

618
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure some people are brownies aren't cookies. Well

619
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: that's me. I just yeah, It's just it's one of

620
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: those things where it's just it feels like a pedantic

621
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: argument to call a brownie a cookie. Technically it's a

622
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: pan cookie. But to me, a brownie is a brownie.

623
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: And if someone comes up, I think it's the other

624
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: way around, say no, brownie's a brownie? Is to say no, no,

625
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: technically brownies for cookies. Well yeah, I mean, if anybody

626
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: says it to you, just say hey, you want a brownie,

627
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: and that just takes care of exactly. Why talk about it?

628
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: Just eat it? Right? But but the point is, this

629
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: is a brownie is I'm just not letting this pass by.

630
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: A brownie is a type of cookie is a bar

631
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: cookie in the same way that a lemon bar is

632
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: a bar cookie. Nana Emo, Um is a bar cookie.

633
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm saying that right, Um. And it's

634
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: just a cookie where you you take the battery and

635
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: you build it. You bake it in a single mass

636
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and then cut it into squares rather than baking them individually.

637
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: But it's still a cookie. Not to me, it's not.

638
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's totally fine. I just I could not

639
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: explain it further. But consistency is different to me, the

640
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: that the little flaky top is different. It's just all different. Well,

641
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, chuck. What about a chocolate

642
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: chip brownie that is nothing more than a square, slightly

643
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: thicker chocolate chip cookie. No, do you mean a choci

644
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: a pan baked chocolate chip cookie. Yeah, well that's not

645
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: a brownie. That's a that's a pan baked chocolate chip cookie.

646
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: But it looks exactly like a brownie. It's the same shape,

647
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: but it has different consistency and doesn't have that flaky top.

648
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: So to you, just just the brownie is its own thing. Yeah, okay,

649
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: what about a lemon bar. It's a lemon bar. Okay,

650
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I can, I can. I can get with you on

651
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: both of those. Actually, but I mean that's just you know, again,

652
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: it's a this is a pedantic argument that that no

653
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: one should ever have. Those are my favorite kind. What

654
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: you should do is just sit down, eat those cookies,

655
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: Eat those brownies, Eat those eat those bar brownie cookies.

656
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Throw some ice cream on top, some hot fudge, some

657
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: whipped cream. Put a lemon bar on there. I'm not

658
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: a big lemon bar guy. Oh I like them, but

659
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: they have to be totally by themselves. You wouldn't mix

660
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: that with anything. No, I'm not a big fan of

661
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: lemon cookies either, Like lemony sweets aren't my favorite. I

662
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: got you, I love them. I feel like, how if

663
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: you take your likes and my likes and my dislikes

664
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: and your just likes and put us together, we form

665
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: a fully formed whole. You know, we would like every everything.

666
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: So chuck. There's a couple of other kinds of cookies

667
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: we need to shout out real quick. Um, the cutout cookie,

668
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: where you roll them out and cut them out. That's

669
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: why they're called that. Like a Christmas sugar cookies are

670
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: often cut out cookies that are fun I don't love

671
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: to eat those as much like a a Christmas shaped

672
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: cookie with the sprinkles on top. Uh, not my favorite.

673
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of a dropped cookie purest. Yeah. Drop

674
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: cookies are kind of like a chocolate chip cookie where

675
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: you like scoop them out by the spoonful and drop

676
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: that mound on there and they kind of spread and

677
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: flatten out as they bake, producing a round, flat dessert tree.

678
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: That's right. And by the way, brownies we know the

679
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: edema or the etymology want to be just the origin

680
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: story what Fannie Farmer in nineteen o five and been

681
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: at the brownie? Uh, there's a story that a housewife

682
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: in Maine forgot baking powder and their chocolate cake and

683
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: it became a brownie. And that's in like some cooking encyclopedias.

684
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: Not true, because that was in nineteen and twelve, and

685
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Fanny Farmers recipe was printed in nineteen o five. Yeah,

686
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: and Fanny Farmer actually did a lot more than just

687
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: invent the brownie. She also is credited for inventing the

688
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: oatmeal raisin cookie too. Oh really, Yeah, she's very prolific.

689
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: See here's my deal. I listened to a judge John

690
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: Hodgman the other day and Jesse Thorne, our friend and

691
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: bailiff of that show called raisins a a b s

692
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: addition to any sweet treat, which I generally agree. But

693
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I like an oatmeal raisin cookie and I'm not the

694
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: biggest raising guy, A good one for sure, but that's

695
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: pretty much the limit of raisins in in dessert unless

696
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: it's just a fistful of raisins. The Great Clinic Swood movie,

697
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: It's right, they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

698
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: Uh what about the ice box cookie? So those came

699
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: along after the image of the ice box obviously, but

700
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: usually you take the dough and you roll it into

701
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: a log, chill it, and then you cut it into

702
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: slices and those slices are baked as cookies. Yeah. If

703
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: you look at a pin wheel cookie, that that swirly

704
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: shape comes because it's rolled up and chilled, or the

705
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: logs of like ready to bake cookie dough you find

706
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: in like the dairy issle, that's that's an ice box cookie. Technically,

707
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: I disagree because that's not rolled flat. That's just a

708
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: big tube. So no, no, it's not rolled flat. A

709
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: pin wheel cookies not roll flat either. It's rolled into

710
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: like a tube, but cylinder, and then you cut the

711
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: cylinder into slices. No, no, no, it's rolled flat and

712
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: then it's rolled so it's got it's got rings saying

713
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. Um yeah, I think

714
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: the final product and the fact that it's a tube

715
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: in the fridge makes it an ice box cookie. Alright,

716
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: that's not just me saying that. Either you got your

717
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: classic sandwich cookie, which everything from an oreo to a

718
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: macron to uh those great ritz peanut butter ritz chocolate

719
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: dip things that his grandmother used to make. Who, by

720
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: the way, is turning a hundred and one this year.

721
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm not on Facebook anymore, but Mary's turning a hundred

722
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: and one and a couple of weeks. Hey you did Facebook,

723
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: Good for you, Jack. Yeah, I deleted my account. I'm

724
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: I was out of there. That is what they call

725
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: mental health. I did miss it at all. No, did

726
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: it take any kind of transition period for you? You know?

727
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: The only thing I missed that was actually genuinely hard

728
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: was the movie crush page and the movie Crushers Page. Uh.

729
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: Those were awesome and it was a great community. It

730
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: is a great community, I hope still. But that was

731
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: the hardest part to leave because I really really enjoy

732
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: my interactions. There was a very kind little corner of

733
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: the internet. But having said that, it was all for

734
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: my well being, so I had to let that go

735
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: even Yeah, so anyway, Mary's a hundred one soon. I

736
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: want to let the stuff. You should know Army that

737
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad that came up actually, because she's she's you know,

738
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: she's not doing the best here at a hundred one,

739
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: but she's hanging in there. Well, a super duper hooper.

740
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you, Mary, hundred one. That is amazing.

741
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: That is really impressive. But back to sandwich cookies. You

742
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: also got your stroop waffle. I think I mentioned the

743
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: macaron get to Malamar's Catch your moon pies Oreos. Yeah,

744
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: it's classic. Apparently, the whoopee pie is the original sandwich

745
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: cookie and that we can thank our Amish friends for

746
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: as well. Supposedly, the name came from Amish workers on

747
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: job sites going whoopy when they opened their lunch pail

748
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: and found a whoopee pie inside. Yeah, I like a

749
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: whoopee pie, just the cake if it has too much

750
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: cake to fill it, it becomes a little cumbersome. Point

751
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: definitely has to be just right. But researching this chuck it.

752
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: Maybe wonder if oreos were meant to be like kind

753
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: of some sort of manufactured whoopee pie. Maybe I will

754
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: say this, the only oreo worth eating is the double stuff.

755
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: Do you like the the golden kind or the chocolate

756
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: kind or both? I don't. I don't try the variations.

757
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: I like the regular What about you like them? Pretty much? All?

758
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: There's only been a couple of weird oreos that I

759
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: was like, Man, not this one. Okay, there's all kinds

760
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: of crazy flavors now, right. Yeah, the birthday cake and

761
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: the rice Crispy Tree oreos were pretty great. The birthday

762
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: cake thing has infested every area of the sweet realm. Yeah,

763
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: for good reason though. I mean, you get some frosting

764
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: in there, well, that's pretty much it. That's an excuse

765
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: to put frosting in something that wasn't otherwise there, or

766
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: in the case of an oreo, you're putting frosting inside

767
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: of austing and that is amazing. I've got something else here. Now,

768
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: we've got a few more little tidbits cookie dough. I

769
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: tried to find out sort of the rise of eating

770
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: cookie dough and it becoming a thing, and no one

771
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: really knows when it started to be a big thing.

772
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean they think nostalgia obviously has a big part

773
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: in it with looking the better off, the mixing things.

774
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: But they said that this new generation, like Gen Z,

775
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: has taken it to a new level. Uh. And they

776
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: in college towns cookie dough is triple in sales what

777
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: it is in a regular town, partially because dorms don't

778
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: have ovens, but partially because the younger generation just eats

779
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: the stuff up. Yeah, there's this is all safe to

780
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: eat now. I know everyone thinks it's eggs, but it's

781
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: usually the flower that caused causes problems. Yeah, it's bacteria

782
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 1: and the flower. And so they said, salmonella and eggs

783
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: is really if you take care of your eggs, it's

784
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: really not much of a problem. Most eggs are pasteurized.

785
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Now yeah, well that too. But like if you if

786
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: you buy the cookie dough that you're allowed to eat

787
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: in the grocery store, like just right out of the thing,

788
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: like cookie dough for eating it has got treated flour.

789
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's called heat treated flour, which means Yeah,

790
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: they just bring the flower up to about a hundred

791
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: and sixty five degrees fahrenheit for a little while, and

792
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: then that that takes care of any bacteria and then

793
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: you can just eat cookie dough like it's going out

794
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: of stop. I did not know that. Thank you for

795
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: that one, man. That's the fact of the podcast right there.

796
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: And the cookie dough ice cream that started in by

797
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: Ben and Jerry's and their Vermont scoop shop. Yeah, that's

798
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: good stuff. Apparently it was anonymous suggestion on their suggestion board. Yeah, man,

799
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: that was nice. So somebody really lost out on something

800
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: big royalties. They left another anonymous suggestion saying, can I

801
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: have a little bit of money from my idea? You've

802
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: got some other good facts here, don't you. Yeah, best

803
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: selling cookie in the world, Chuck, what is it? Oh jeez,

804
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oreo? Oh is it Orio? It is?

805
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: Or at least in two thousand fourteen, the latest I

806
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: could find was um okay, But I think that bears

807
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: reminding me. I know we've talked about it before that

808
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: Oreo is actually the knockoff that Hi Drocks was the original,

809
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: and Oreo came along and knocked off Hi Drocks and

810
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: then became the greatest selling cookie in the world. Ah,

811
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: that's right. I love that story. I like this bit

812
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: you have on Famous Amos to the very famous Famous

813
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: Amos cookies. Uh. I don't think I knew this. Wally

814
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: Amos was an agent, the first African American agent at

815
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: the William Morris Agency, and he would bake these cookies

816
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: to give his axe to be like, hey, how about

817
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: some cookies you want to stay with me? Right? And

818
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: they were really popular and he spun it off and

819
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: founded his own company. Yes, and then I got one

820
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: more chuck Um. People leave cookies out for Santa, right. Sure,

821
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: you'd think they'd be pretty old, but actually apparently they've

822
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: traced it back to the Great Depression in America. Uh

823
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: Santa cookies. Yeah, that they were teaching kids to show

824
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: gratitude and appreciation for the gifts that they were getting,

825
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: and that was some parents started that, and that was

826
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: where kids started leaving cookies out for Santa. That's what

827
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw in multiple places. Yeah, at a

828
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: very unlikely time. That's very nice. So that's it for

829
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: cookies everybody. I think the only thing left to do

830
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: is to go eat some cookies. I wouldn't know how

831
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: many people are going to bake cookies tonight. That's great.

832
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: That was kind of the point. I wanted everybody to bake.

833
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: And I also want to shout out some of our sources,

834
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: the Nibble's Cooking America and many many many others. Um uh.

835
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: And since I said many many many others and Chuck

836
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: said yum, that means it's time for a listener mail. Well,

837
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: what it's time for is to talk about Sketch Fest. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see you guys January two. And Chuck, speaking

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Speaker 1: So first, I want to wish my dear sweet wife

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Speaker 1: contortionists or cookie? And she said cookies? So I dedicated

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Speaker 1: wish everybody out there a very very happy new year

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Speaker 1: in the hopes that two is a really, really great year,

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Speaker 1: don't you. That's right. Thanks for all the support, not

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Speaker 1: only this year but over all the years that allow

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Speaker 1: us to have one of the best jobs in the world.

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Speaker 1: It means everything to us, and ye all mean everything

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Speaker 1: things will be even better next year. If you want

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