1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Due to the nature of today's episode, we 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: are gonna change our format a bit. We're only able 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: to be here with you every week because we have 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: the support of our incredible sponsors, like the folks we 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: talk about weekly who come here to support this podcast. 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: But this week, as a team, we've chosen not to 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: air ads. It doesn't feel right for this episode of 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Drama Queens. So when we start discussing this episode, we're 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: all just going to stay in it with you. It 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: feels like a hard one to take breaks on, and 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: we're very grateful to all of our sponsors for giving 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: us permission to air this episode uninterrupted, and we love you. 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: This episode deals with the topics of depression and suicide. 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: If you are someone you know is suffering, please call 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by dialing eight. Hey, guys, 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: we're not even gonna try to hide the emotions in 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: this one. Um This week, we're watching season three, episode 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: sixteen with tired eyes, tired minds, tired souls. We slept. 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: You might remember that this aired March one of two 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: thousand six and three. Sixteen is the episode where a 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: regular school day at tree Hill High turns incredibly dangerous 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: and into a tragedy because Jimmy Edwards brings a gun 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: to school and we're all a mess. And we've been 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: reading a lot of your messages and I think what's 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: struck the three of us so much is that a 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: lot of you have written about how you've rewatched this 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: show so many times before we started our podcast, and 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: that very often you all skipped this episode. Yeah, and 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: I kind of wish we could have skipped this episode. 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Glad we're going to talk about it. I am too, 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: first and foremost. I love you guys, And yeah, I'm 32 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: having trouble like making eye contact because I just need to. 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. So um, here's what 34 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: I want to say though, before we bring in our 35 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: guests today, because they're really lucky that we have a 36 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: fabulous guests today. We'll bring them in very soon. Um. 37 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: As the mother of a boy, m hm, this is 38 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: something that has troubled me since the moment he was born. 39 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: And years after we shot this episode, in two thousand ten, 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: a book came out called Columbine, and it was written 41 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: by one of the first journalists who arrived on that scene. 42 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: He helped perpetuate the myth that it was the loners 43 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: and the kids that were bullied, that we're committing these crimes. 44 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: And then he spent the last the ten years after 45 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: that undoing it as he learned more about the voice 46 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: that that did Columbine. And as a mother, it was 47 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: really important to me to learn more about that kind 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: of anger. Um, that kind of behavior with the warning 49 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: signs are And so we as the first generation of 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: people who lived through Columbine. I was a sophie and 51 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: I were juniors when it happened. Joy, you were senior. 52 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: You know. It happened while we were in high school, 53 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: and UM, I think it's safe to say it affected 54 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: all of us a lot. And now we're parents, and 55 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: what are we going to do about it? You know? 56 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: That's what's really um heavy, is that I think when 57 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: we were teenagers, we thought the grown ups would fix it, 58 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: and here we are the grown ups and we're still 59 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: dealing with it. And I wish we'd known when we 60 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: filmed this episode what we have come to know about 61 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: how these situations get built up. UM. But I think 62 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: the reactions the same, you know, I don't. I think 63 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: we've learned a lot about the kinds of people who 64 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: who perpetrate these crimes. It's not the Trench Code mafia. 65 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: It's not my friends who were the goth kids. It's 66 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: not even the bullied kids. It's the radicalized, misogynistic kids 67 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: who are engaged in forms of domestic violence. Um, there 68 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: are red flags. And so Colin did a wonderful job 69 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: with with the information we had at the time. Um, 70 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: he did such a beautiful job with what was written. 71 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: And he the human as the person suffering, and it's 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: it's an incredible skill as a performer to play someone 73 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: who could be put in the category of villain at 74 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: a level like this. You know, someone who shoots up 75 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: a school and I don't know if it was happenstance 76 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: are intentional that they did make him such a different character, 77 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, they made him a kid with a handgun 78 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: who fired a warning shot. They made him that he 79 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: isn't one of the kids who does this. And you're right, 80 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: it's incredibly important that as we have all the information 81 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: we have, we talk about, you know, the grooming by 82 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: violent extremist groups of young boys in this country online, 83 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: and that we didn't know any of that then, that 84 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: didn't that didn't exist in our awareness then, and there 85 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: is a part of me that wonders if, and I'm 86 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: only realizing I wish we could ask the writers in 87 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: this moment, if if for some of the reasons or 88 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: some of the understanding that we didn't know why kids 89 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: were carrying assault rifles in the high schools, is that 90 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: why they wrote Jimmy to be different? Is that why 91 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: they wrote this differently? Is that why they humanized every 92 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: single person in that tutor center in the way that 93 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: they did. I don't know the answers, but um, I 94 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: do think to your point, Oh, it's incredibly important that 95 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: we we get clear on what we know about how 96 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: this happens while we also go through the emotions of 97 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: experiencing something like this together. That was rough, It was 98 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: so hard to watch, and so I was so blown 99 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: away by Colin's performance. Um that moment when he fired 100 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: the first shot and his eyes went wide, he was 101 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: just so shocked his own behavior, what he was keeping. 102 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: He was scared, but he was scared. But it's like 103 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: once you once you make that choice, any choice in 104 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: life that is um wrong, but you do it, and 105 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: then you have to decide whether you're going to double 106 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: down or quickly say WHOA, this is wrong. I'm I'm 107 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: backing out, and very rarely, I think too people back out. 108 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: Um and then you know, to watch it all just 109 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: continue to snowball down. As he continued to fall down 110 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: into this pit of despair, it was hard. Do you 111 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: guys remember when we got the script? Like Joy, you 112 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: were the one in the classroom with Jimmy, Do you 113 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: remember getting the script for this? I don't remember getting 114 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: the script. I wish I did. I just remember being 115 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: really mad because I did not want to do this. 116 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: Like I've always really believed in the power of words 117 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: and the power of suggestion, and the more you talk 118 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: about something, the more it happens. And that was my 119 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: mindset in my early twenties, like why are we even 120 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: bringing this up? Why are we planting this scene? I mean, 121 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: here we are, almost twenty years later, and the ship 122 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: just keeps happening no matter how much we talk about it. 123 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I remember getting the script, and I remember they printed 124 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: it all on red pages so it couldn't be copied 125 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: or leaked or anything. And you know, hill to your 126 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: point about Columbine, I like I had to go be 127 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: by myself for a while after I read this because 128 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: it took me back to junior year and Mr. Hollman's 129 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: science class. One of my best friends from growing up 130 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: lived in Colorado starting in high school and for the 131 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: first I think it was like an hour and we 132 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: heard there was a school shooting in Colorado. Nobody, nobody 133 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: knew where or at least we couldn't get information in 134 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: our class, like nobody had iPhones, you couldn't. And we 135 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: were teenagers and it's not like they put the news 136 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: on in school and we were just waiting. And I 137 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: remember thinking like, what if it's her school? And this 138 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: script really brought that home, like, oh, this this We 139 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: now are tasked with representing the people who say today 140 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: it's my school, and it's it was hard. I mean, 141 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: this this stuff is it's hard to know. You know. 142 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: They said, well, if we're going to go out, let's 143 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: let's tell the truest story we know. And there's the 144 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: reality of why are we going to put this on TV? 145 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: And there's there's so many things that are true at 146 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: the same time. We need to examine this and are 147 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: we setting are we putting this in someone's mind and 148 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: are we going to traumatize people or are we going 149 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: to educate people or it's so big and it felt 150 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: like an education to me. I thought it was so 151 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: beautifully done. I mean the things that were said, mouth 152 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: is Mouth's speech beautiful, incredible. Um, the whole conversation was 153 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: had from all angles, and I loved that that they 154 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: everyone addressed all of their feelings and fears and it 155 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: was just all laid out in the open. And um, 156 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: I thought it was done really, really well. And that's 157 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: really on Colin. I mean, he grounded this episode. I 158 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: can't imagine being handed this script as him. Yeah, bring 159 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: him in. Where's our friend? Guys, were so lucky that 160 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Colin is joining us today. There's no way we could 161 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: have this conversation without him. Um, So Colin Fickis is 162 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: here to join us our very own Jimmy Edwards, the 163 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: most beloved bad guy in the history of One Tree Home. 164 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: He's not a bad kid. He's not a bad kid. 165 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: He's a good kid. I miss you. I'm the waves 166 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: in Zu Colin. You look great. It's great to see 167 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: you're the one. You're absolutely the fun one. And we 168 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: have to talk about dark with you, and that that's hard. 169 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: So we can do it. We can do it. We 170 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: can do hard things right right. Where are you right now? 171 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: Are you in the city, in the city, Yeah, I'm 172 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: in We have an apartment in the city, and then 173 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: I am moving up state from my job. You are 174 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: house yester day, So lots of things happening. Good to 175 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: see you all, see you. Um, Colin, did you watch 176 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: the episode or was it too hard to? I did, 177 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 1: but I also fast forwarded song because I was just like, 178 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: it's yeah, I think about the Paul Thomas Anderson quote 179 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: from Magnolia a lot like you maybe through with the past, 180 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: but the past is not through with you. I mean 181 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: that's fairly relevant for what we're doing here. But um, 182 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to watch, very hard 183 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: to watch. Well, so you were amazing. Let's talk about 184 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: your experience on the show though, because I think that 185 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: did play a part in kind of how this all 186 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: came full circle. Um. You know, we've definitely talked about 187 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: things that have gone on behind the scenes on One 188 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Tree Hill, and I know that you were not treated 189 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: well behind the scenes. Um yeah, well yeah, and I 190 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: don't want to talk negatively, but yeah, I mean it 191 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't the most ideal thing that happened. Um, 192 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: I know we have a limited amount of time, but um, 193 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to audition in l A. I've been living 194 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: in l A for several years already. I lived in 195 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: New York for three years. Um, and so I kind 196 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: of branched out from North Carolina. I'm originally from Raleigh, 197 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: North Carolina, and so growing up I would go to 198 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: drive two hours to Limingtoln for auditions. I knew Lee 199 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Norris as a kid. We would audition together sometimes, so 200 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: we kind of already had that relationship. And I know 201 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: they were already eyeing him for the for the role 202 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: of Mouth, and I was like, hey, guys, I'd love 203 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: to be a part of it. Can I audition in 204 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: l A? Because I had other friends audition in l A? 205 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: And they were like, this is a local hire. And 206 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: then I was like, well, you know, can I please 207 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: audition in l A? And um, you know I live 208 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: here and I think that might be tough to do. 209 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: And then um, they finally granted me an audition in 210 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: l A. And um, They're like Nope, nope, not right 211 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: for the part. And then um, thinking and and associates, 212 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: the casting agents in North Carolina were huge champions of 213 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: mine and they're amazing and they're like, we prom to 214 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: see you. He's right, he knows Lee. Um, just you know, 215 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: give him another chance. And so then on my own time, 216 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: I went to North Carolina and did the exact same 217 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: audition I did in the room in l A. And 218 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: they're like, you got the job, kid, and uh and 219 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: and then I ended up having you know, to you know, 220 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: get myself to North Carolina. I was paying for an 221 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: apartment in North Carolina. I was also at my place 222 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: in l A. And so what happened is I ended 223 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: up leaving the show because I couldn't afford to stay. Um. 224 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: And I noticed in the second and third episode, as 225 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: scripts were you know, getting revised, we were getting or 226 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: at least my part was getting smaller and smaller and smaller, 227 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: and working one day at for every two weeks or 228 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: whatever it was. I couldn't make it work. Um. And 229 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: so I didn't want to leave, but um, you know, 230 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: it was hard. And then you have the creator saying 231 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: things like the studio they only want the pretty people, 232 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: and I'm really trying to fight for you all. And 233 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: then I felt bad for leaving because I knew he 234 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: was trying to fight and fight for me to stay, 235 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: and um, so it was difficult and I didn't want 236 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: to leave. But also in hindsight, I mean, it's the 237 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: most amazing thing because I always wanted to be this 238 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: dramatic actor. I wanted to be like the next Philip 239 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: stem More Hoffman. That was like my dream, and had 240 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: done some indie movies and like I wanted to do 241 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: like drama and so to get to come back and 242 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: do this was so much fun, as hard as it was, 243 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: but you know, so like, yeah, that was that was well, 244 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: it feels meta. It feels like Jimmy Edward was left 245 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: behind by the group in season one only to like 246 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: become this big deal in our season three storyline and 247 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, our show loved taking things that were 248 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: happening in real life and kind of utilizing them on screen. 249 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: And so it you know, that was that was your 250 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: story and Jimmy story of we're going to leave you behind, 251 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: but then we're gonna bring you back in like huge fashion. Um, Meanwhile, 252 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: how did they know you were such a good dramatic actor, 253 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: Because Colin, there's no one else could have done this. 254 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: They trusted you with this entire episode which was so. 255 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it was all resting on you. If you 256 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: didn't pull that off, it wouldn't have worked. I don't 257 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: know where that trust came from. I really don't, because 258 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think how I've done anything at that point, 259 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: um where they would have seen that, I'm not sure. 260 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: I guess they took a big chance on me. And 261 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: it's so funny too how it happened. My friend kill 262 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: Venture was at a bar in l A and met 263 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: one of the writers, I think, and she calls me 264 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: and she's like, I met this dude that's a writer 265 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: on Winter Hill. He says, you're gonna be back on 266 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: the show, and I was like, I haven't heard anything. 267 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think so. I don't even 268 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: ended well when I left. And then a couple of 269 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: weeks later, I got a call and the creator wanted 270 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: to have me in the office at the Warner Brothers lot. 271 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: And as I'm walking through the offices, I see the 272 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: white boards of all the story progression and I see 273 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: Jimmy Edwards, Jimmy Edwards, and I'm like, what is happened 274 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: the idea? And I obviously was like absolutely so, because yeah, 275 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: actors want to work, and um, you know I wanted 276 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: to do the dramatic things as well. Um, so it 277 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: worked out. How how did you begin to prepare for 278 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: something like this, because you know we've all been talking 279 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: about everything shifted so dramatically, you know in the late 280 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: nineties when Columbine happened. I mean it literally it changed 281 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: all of us, It changed our country. And yeah, I 282 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: don't know. I just think, at least for me, had 283 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: I been in your position receiving that script, I know 284 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: I would have panicked. You know this, this is big? 285 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: So how do you begin to even make sense of it? 286 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Because watching it back, we watched you so closely, and 287 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: every choice you made, every everything you put under, the 288 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: words and and the sensitivity and the both and the 289 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: rage and the shame and the fear. It's it's just 290 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: so present, alive on screen and on your face. And 291 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: maybe it's a defense mechanism because the emotional stuff makes 292 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: me so hysterically when we talk about it. So I'm like, 293 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: talk to me about true craft truly? How How did 294 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: how did you begin to figure out how to make 295 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: this true? For Jimmy, Um, it was less about what 296 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: he does and more about what he feels. I like, 297 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: all I could think about was what would get someone 298 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: to get to this what would call someone to get 299 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: to this place? Um? And so I started there. Um. 300 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: And then obviously once I got the script, which everyone 301 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: else had read the damn thing before I got it. 302 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: Really it was days. I had days, what days, I 303 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: think maybe five five days to start, you know, going. 304 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: And I remember Hillary, I passed you at base camp 305 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: and now You're like, have you read it? You know? 306 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I have, didn't you know? It's ready? 307 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: And um, So I literally locked myself in a hotel 308 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: room and God bless my mom who would just come 309 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: with me as she sat with me in that hotel 310 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: room and ran those scenes non stop. That's all I did. 311 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: I just stayed within that hotel room for several days 312 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: and learned it. And you know, I grew up doing theaters, 313 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: so it was like I just sat there and just 314 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: absorbed it all and was trying to just find all 315 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: of the things in the script. And um. But yeah, 316 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about all the times we've all 317 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: felt like him, We've all felt excluded or not right 318 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: or um, you know, sad, lonely. I mean, all the 319 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: descriptive words you can think of. We all go through phases. 320 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: I think his obviously more intense. Um. But yeah, I 321 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: mean that's that's kind of how I started. If that 322 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: makes I don't know, I'm rambling. I remember being in 323 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: that room with you and that you were that we 324 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: were all so impressed with how I mean you knew 325 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: every word, you knew it, you knew it all. I didn't. 326 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: I didn't want to waste time. And I know when 327 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: a crew members one in the morning and they're wanting 328 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: to go home and sleep, I was like, I'm going 329 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: to know all of these loves. I mean, we all 330 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: had the patience, we had, we all were ready to 331 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: for I think none none of us knew really what 332 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: to expect when we walked in that day, I mean 333 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: other than what was on the page. But um, everyone 334 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: was ready. I mean everyone was so everyone showed up 335 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: and joy I loved being in that tutor was the 336 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: tutor room with with you because I just remember locking 337 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: in with you a lot during that and so it 338 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: was nice because those were long days. I remember losing 339 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: that voice because we were we were somewhat shooting in order, 340 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: and I learned so much as an actor doing it 341 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: because I was like, don't you know, don't blow it 342 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: all in the first take. You got to kind of 343 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: have reserves and say, you know, you're even contemplating. I 344 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: lost my voice. They were gonna give me like a 345 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: shot in my neck or something that was gonna like 346 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: get my voice. My gosh, wait, I remember I remember 347 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: hearing something about this team and then I was taking 348 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: like Sarah flu to try to get my voice better. 349 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: Even this is t m I, but I threw up 350 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: the very opening scene with the cigarette I guess from 351 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: it was early in the morning when we were shooting it, 352 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: and that the therapy flu or whatever. I like. I 353 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: totally calling this sounds a miserable experience. You know, normally 354 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: on set you have the levity, you have the relief 355 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: of the levity between scenes and the you know, just 356 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: kind of hanging around shooting the ship thing. But that 357 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: was not None of us had that for this episode 358 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: at all. There was no relief. It was relentless, and 359 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: I think it worked for us performance wise, but it 360 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: was it was exhausting, and I'm so glad that we 361 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: all had each other and that, you know, a that 362 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: you were so prepared and so ready and vulnerable and 363 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: ready to do you know, whatever it took, and it 364 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: really set an example for for everybody to to show 365 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: up in this way and just everyone. I think, you know, 366 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: acting is not just one person, it's the whole the 367 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: whole time. Speaking of I will say I was so 368 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: amazed that Sophia, you and Lee came back to set. 369 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: I think, Hillary, you're already there, and so like from 370 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: the last shot, I just have to say it, like 371 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: y'all came back and it was like, it was so amazing. Joy. 372 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: You were probably exhausted and because many crazy scenes, but 373 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: I just remember that and it's it really is those 374 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: little things that like really make it all count. But 375 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: I was going to quickly say when we rehearsed the 376 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: I wore a bulletproof vest and there was a blank 377 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: in the gun and we actually apparently from what I heard, 378 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: the props master whoever it was, told me that we 379 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 1: rehearsed that on the same sale stage that Brendan Lee 380 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: was shot. And really, yeah, it was super creepy. It 381 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: was like really heavy. And then I don't know if 382 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: you've ever done that in a scene, but I couldn't sleep. 383 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: I kept thinking I was dead that night, Like I 384 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: was choking. It was so crazy. And I'm not a 385 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: method actor by any means, but like it was, it 386 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: was a mind trip for sure, that it was just 387 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: so intense where you went and in the in that 388 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: last scene. I remember watching it at the time coming back, 389 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: and I remember watching it when it aired, and and 390 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: even watching it today, it's like I have such visceral 391 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: sense memory of um, what it felt like like watching 392 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: the way that you were beating your chest. Did this 393 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: like it broke my heart and again just what you 394 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: brought to it. There was something really incredible, even as 395 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: a viewer about being in that tutor center with you all, 396 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: because they gave us our core team, and then they 397 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: gave us the newer characters, you know, Rachel being the 398 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: newest sort of main person, and then the jock kid 399 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: whose mom calls an abbey you who's a diabetic. Such 400 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: a beautiful actor, and and everyone's experiences are represented. Everyone 401 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: gets to voice how they might be a stereotype, that 402 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: they also have their own experience. Nobody sees. And I 403 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: remember while we watched it what minutes ago now thinking wow, 404 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: they did this thing where everyone's telling the truth even 405 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: though their truths are different, and and you just brought 406 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: it over and over and over again, and yeah, I 407 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: even then it it felt like something so important to witness, 408 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: and it feels so important too to witness it again. 409 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: And I'm just and why is it happening? Why does 410 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: it still happen? That is the thing that really was 411 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: difficult for me and watching this, because I feel like 412 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: the goal when we made this episode, like what was 413 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: our goal? Let's think about that? Was it too educate 414 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: grown ups are kids. There's a parental advisory at the 415 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, and when we first started watching, 416 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: I was struck by that, like, oh, there's a parental advisory, like, 417 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, make sure you watch this with a parent. 418 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: And as I continued to watch the episode, it felt 419 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: more like there shouldn't be a parental advisory to protect 420 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: the kids, Like why why are we placing all this 421 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: blame on the kids. It's not the bullying, it's not 422 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: it's not these things that we blamed it on in 423 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: two thousand six, whenever this aired. We know that the 424 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: factors that lead up to this are different now because 425 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: we have the data, we have the research, we have 426 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: decades of information there'sould have been a parental like mandatory viewing, 427 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: like hey, kids, go get your parents, Go get the 428 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: person in your household the votes, Go get the person 429 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: in your household that's supposed to be watching what you 430 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: do online. You know, Like how I read the discretion. Actually, 431 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: when I saw a parental discretion advised, I thought that 432 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: maybe I read it the wrong way. But my I 433 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this means that you should be having 434 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: a conversation with your kids about this. That's what they're 435 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: trying to say. Go go pull the grown up into 436 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: the room, because I don't I don't know. Yeah, it's true, 437 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: because parents need. Look, I think it's hard for any 438 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: of us to admit some of the more nefarious things 439 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: in the world. It's very hard to reconcile with the 440 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: fact that there are you know, pro domestic violence and 441 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: white supremacist terrorists, organizations that are grooming boys online. That's 442 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: really hard. Like it's much easier to say, if I 443 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: teach my kid to be nice, maybe this will be different. 444 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: It's it's hard to look at something so large and 445 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: and societal. And interestingly, what I thought the writers did 446 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: very beautifully was they really made you feel for for 447 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: Jimmy and calling. You did that as an actor. You 448 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: made us feel for this person who said all my 449 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: days have been bad, and you realize Rachel's right when 450 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: she says it's just seven d days, and Keith is 451 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: right when he says it gets better when you leave here. 452 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: Like none of the none of those people ever fit in, 453 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: and they will come magic because of it. It's all true, 454 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: and it's true that people need to feel looked out for, 455 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: and and something I'll never forget that really helped me 456 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: see that all of these things can be true. At 457 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: the same time, after the the Parkland shooting at Marjory 458 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: Stone and Doug, this one of the young women, Emma 459 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: who's become, you know, a huge leader in the in 460 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: the movement of kids against violence like this said, don't 461 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: tell me as a young girl it was my responsibility 462 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: to be nicer to my abuser. And I was like, oh, 463 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: say it again, young lady, And she's not wrong. You 464 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: know you shouldn't put vulnerable people in harm's way, um 465 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: and say, yeah, I know that person is violent and scary, 466 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: but just be even nicer to them. And it's important, 467 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, Joy, you said something a couple of weeks 468 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: ago about how you always encourage your daughter. She sees 469 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: someone who's alone and like, look scared to go say 470 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: hi to them during lunch, and that is so important 471 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: and and also knowing, like something else I talked to 472 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: her about is my mother always taught me as if 473 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: somebody is bullying you, it's because that's happening to them 474 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: at home. And so it's not that you have to 475 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: turn around and in kind you don't retaliate. You don't 476 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: necessarily have to have lunch at them, like not everyone's 477 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: going to be the over yeah, right, but but but 478 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: you could if you if you felt called to do so. 479 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: But um, so it is. It's exactly what you're saying, Sophia. 480 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: It's so beautifully said that so many things can be 481 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: true at the same time, and it's so calm, And 482 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: that's why I feel like these are the conversations we 483 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: need kids to be having with their parents. And he says, kids, 484 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: you want kids to feel safe enough. This is what 485 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: I've actually just learned as a human being. People can't 486 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: help you until you vocalize and ask, oh my god, 487 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: say that again. You really, you really you think it 488 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: in your head and you feel like somehow, but you've 489 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: that the world knows what you need as a person, 490 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, in love and in life and in work 491 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: and whatever. But until you vocalize it and really say 492 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: it like, no one can help you. And so I 493 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: hope it's for kids to be like, I need to 494 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: speak up. This is how I'm feeling good or bad, 495 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: and open dialogue. But also I have to say to 496 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: this relates back to this show and what you ladies 497 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: went through. How many other and I don't want to 498 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, how many other powerful it's not just the creator. 499 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: How many other people were there and hurt things and 500 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: saw things and just yeah, yeah, you know you look 501 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: at Trump as well. How many other white men in 502 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: power could have done something? Yeah, I want to give 503 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: you all the snaps. Well, enablers feel sometimes more dangerous 504 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: than the perpetrator because there's more of them, and enablers 505 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: normalize things and they gaslight you and make you feel like, 506 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: wait a second, I'm hurting? Am I the problem? It's Colin. 507 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: Losing Jimmy in this episode, UM was difficult for me 508 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: because it meant that we lost you, you know. There 509 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: until until Jimmy dies, there was always this hope, like 510 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Colin's going to come back and be full 511 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: time again. You know, like it wasn't always wanted to 512 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: be on the show. I never wanted to leave. I know, 513 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: you didn't know it, just know that the behind the 514 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: scenes politics was bad. And so to lose you permanently 515 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: after just losing Cheryl Lee permanently like season three is 516 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: just like evil losing you guys. But no, but let's 517 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: talk about what the fallout from this episode was, because 518 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: I remember being very nervous that this was going to 519 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: air for probably very different reasons than you remember that, 520 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, like, how did the world react to you 521 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: in this episode? Um? You know what's funny my sister 522 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: when she she came down for like one of the 523 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: final days, and she was like, a lot of people 524 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: are going to see this, and I, for some dumb reason, 525 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: I guess I was just trying to learn the lines 526 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: in time. I wasn't even thinking about after. I was 527 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: just trying to get to that finish line of like 528 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: being the show up and do my job. And then 529 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: so my sister, Emery Holt had said, you know, this 530 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: is going to be a lot of people are gonna 531 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: see this, and it's it's gonna be crazy. And um, 532 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: all the responses have been amazing. I mean I was 533 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: getting famil for a while from all over the world. 534 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: People were telling me stories of times they almost committed suicide. 535 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: I must see them stop. Um, times they felt lonely 536 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: and they've done all this inner work and like learning. 537 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: You know. Um, it had an impact and I know 538 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: that for sure, and so I know it sounds cliche, 539 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: but the whole thing of if one person is affected, 540 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: and but it is true. And so it's been pretty amazing. 541 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: There was one thing that was hilarious I'll never forget. 542 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: I was like at the coffee being a te leaf 543 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: in l A a couple of months after I guess 544 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: it aired, and I walk up and this girl was like, 545 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: you on on trel you were so funny. But I 546 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: had forgotten that. I guess there was funny stuff in 547 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, that's what she was referencing. And and 548 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: then everyone's like, you killed Peyton, and I'm like, I 549 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: just shot her in the leg. I didn't kill it. 550 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. It was interesting. Yeah, I mean it's 551 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: still even at forty two, it's like people remember it, 552 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: people talk about it. Yeah, It's definitely the top five 553 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: most iconic episodes of our show. I would say in 554 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: the top two or three. You know, it is such 555 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: a game changer. Um, what were you going to say, Joy, Well, 556 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: I was going to say that what you were talking 557 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: about about its having a long lasting impact. And it 558 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: made me think of another reason why it is great 559 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: for kids to watch something like this and hear all 560 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: those speeches about you know, you're supposed to get past it, 561 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: it does get better, and all of those things. Is 562 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: that one element of it is that that that really 563 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: struck me when I was watching is I noticed how 564 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: many times Jimmy was talking about me, me, me, This 565 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: is what happens to me, This is how I feel, 566 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: this is what I go through. And you know we're 567 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, Hillary, you and I are colony of kids. 568 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't even keep a plant, even 569 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: a suckul. I know what I'm getting you for your 570 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: new house plans? All right? Well, how you know you 571 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: and I are raising kids, and kids are little narcissists, 572 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: and that's kind of how they're born into the world. 573 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: And then as we as they grow, we teach them 574 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: how to have empathy and how to grow out of that, 575 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: and hopefully by the time you're in high school, you're 576 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: at the tail end of it and you're really learning 577 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: how to see the world through the lens of how 578 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: can I serve? How can I be of service? Um, 579 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: And it's not so much just about me and how 580 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: everything's impacting me, but it is high drama, and that 581 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: of course, that's how we all are feeling when you know, 582 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: once you hit high school, the drama is high and 583 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: it's just so much self focus. And UM, I don't 584 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. As I was as we were watching 585 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: the episode, I had never seen it that through that 586 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: lens before, but it really started hitting me that, UM, 587 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: I hope that part of the long lasting effects of 588 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: this word that kids were able to watch that and 589 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: see it's not so much just about how I see 590 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: things that, as you're saying, Sophia, all these things can 591 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: be true. At the same time, it is complicated. There 592 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: are multiple people people's experiences that we all, you know, 593 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: sift through and live through, and UM, I just hope 594 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: that And I don't know, maybe if you heard some 595 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: of that as you as people talk to you about 596 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: seeing things through from a new perspective. UM, and it's 597 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: not making sense. It's a little bit of words that 598 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: makes total sense. But Colin, Colin, you wouldn't worked in 599 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: a school like you worked in a school, and so 600 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: I would love to know your perspective of like, you know, 601 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: we went to school in the nineties, different planet, right 602 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: as these kinds of stories get told, because we weren't 603 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: the only show doing this. They did this on like 604 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: any other show that was about high school. There's been 605 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: a version of this, Um, do you feel like talking 606 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: about it has been helpful? Are the kids articulating things differently? 607 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: Like what? And did any of them recognize you as 608 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: Jimmy Edwards walking their halls? Well, luckily I wasn't with 609 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: the middle school in high school. It was still elementary 610 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: level at the preliminary school campus. But I mean that 611 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: still happen. But it still happens, Like there were so 612 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: many issues with kids being mean to you know, you 613 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: would see it. Is that what you're asking? Yeah, I mean, 614 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: I know, you know. The campaign has been like stop bullying, 615 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: stop bullying, stop bullying, stop bullying. And guess what, we've 616 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: all had those talks with our kids and either the 617 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: bullies still the bullying is still happening, or even if 618 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: it's stopped, the shootings are still happening. You know, I 619 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: don't know that it's the bullying the anger. The anger 620 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: has to be coming from somewhere. But I have to 621 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: say too, as as on the teacher's side or the 622 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: admin side, Yeah, it's happening with the adults to really 623 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: like oh yeah, and that's just like private school politics, 624 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: I think, or school politics. But it's like the adults 625 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: still do it within teachers and grades, and like, you know, 626 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: they're still I hate to say it, but like there's 627 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: the kids are probably subconsciously seeing that too. It's like 628 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: the adults still haven't figured it out. And you know, 629 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: it's also interesting, you know, to the point of why 630 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: this stuff happens. We're talking about how now we've got 631 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: the research, We've got decades of research, studies, data, information, 632 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: not just from our own country but from around the world, 633 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: and that's what explains why we are the only one 634 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: of our pure nations where this happens. And I was 635 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: just reading this article yesterday, um really fascinating research piece 636 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: in the Times talking about how it's the same sort 637 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: of targeted um grooming of boys by these sort of 638 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: alt right groups that create this sort of misogynistic violence 639 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: that mirrors between school violence and domestic violence, and it's 640 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: a similar kind of hyper focused, targeted group that is 641 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: promoting disinformation and polarization in our society. And they're explaining 642 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: how we're more polarized now than we've been in nearly 643 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: a hundred years. It's like just pre World War two 644 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: level of animosity um towards the quote two main groups. 645 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: And the thing that really struck me is that they're 646 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: saying that the difference between the hyper polarization we're experiencing 647 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: now and what we were experiencing in the nineteen thirties 648 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: is that the hyper polarization exists in children as young 649 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: as eleven, where it used to not happen until people 650 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: were in their post collegiate years, at least politically. And 651 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: that gave me because people used to not talk about 652 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: politics over the dinner table. That was it's actually it's 653 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: actually not even about the conversation. They talk about how 654 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: we used to have a sense that regardless of you know, 655 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: quote unquote which side one, that the institutions were taking 656 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: care of the country. And you might have a preference 657 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: for a side, but you believed in in the not 658 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: complete but sort of partial neutrality of the institution, and 659 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,399 Speaker 1: now we don't believe anybody's neutral, and now we don't 660 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: believe anybody's on our side except the people who we 661 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: think are on the same side. And it and it was, 662 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: it's a long article, but it really made me think 663 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: about how these groups that have seen its grotesque, grotesque 664 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: to call it success, but they've seen success and in 665 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: the way they've been able to cultivate this super violent 666 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 1: boy culture and they're doing it in every other sense 667 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: of culture now and they're aided by the Internet. And 668 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm just like, we have a lot of work to do, Yeah, 669 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: to undo that happened with the vaccination stuff. With yoga, 670 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: it reached all the different demographics. Yes, wait, Colin, are 671 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: you hanging into yoga? Crown? Are you yoga? Mo? No? 672 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: But I used to do hot yoga and I loved it. 673 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: And so it's interesting when you say that, like even 674 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: among teachers you see it. This this thing really got 675 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: my brain going yesterday and I just think, yeah, man, 676 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder what ways in whatever groups were 677 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: in we can gather to undo it, because you know, 678 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: what do you do what do you guys do in 679 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: your teacher's lounge? What do what do we do here 680 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: on this show? What do? What do we do in 681 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: each of these little spheres were in. It requires vulnerability, 682 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: and that's the hardest thing in the world to do. 683 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: You know, we know how hard it is to do that, 684 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: just in a if you're married or into your relationship, 685 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: just to be like, Okay, I need to be vulnerable 686 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: and ask for something or say something, or say I 687 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: don't understand or I'm mad at you or whatever, like 688 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: I'll say the things. It's so effing difficult. I mean, 689 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: how do we expect kids to do it? You know, 690 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. How do the teachers and the 691 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: teacher's lounge can't do it? But that's what I thought 692 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: this episode did so well and what you brought. I mean, Colin, 693 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: you gave everyone permission to go somewhere. Every single person 694 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: in this episode got vulnerable. Yeah, and uh it was 695 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: it was beautiful. You were you were beautiful. There's a reason, 696 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, we looked back because we thought, God, we 697 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: all remember how we felt at the time. What did 698 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: people have to say about this? And there's a reason 699 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: that people multiple Times said this is a landmark episode 700 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: of this series, and truly, I do not mean this hyperbolically. Truly, Colin, 701 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: I think you you lead this episode. You were the 702 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: tip of the spear. You set an intention and you 703 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: brought a presence and everybody went, a wee get to 704 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: go there. We're going with him. And you shouldn't want, Colin, 705 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: You shouldn't want. And I just wish we had been 706 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: able to keep you, even after I lived with half 707 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: the a D staff and I remember them coming home 708 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: for work and being like, why are we losing that one? 709 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: We have to work with so many assholes. Why are 710 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: we leasing He's a treasure? Colin. I'm so glad you're 711 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: working in film again. Um, do you have to go 712 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: to the airport. You're leaving to the airport, breaks, I'm 713 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: leaving studio. I'm going to Spain for a couple You 714 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: deserve this. I just got back from Spain. Where are 715 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: you going? Nice? We're going up Madrid and then Valencia 716 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,919 Speaker 1: and then oh my god, in a long time coming 717 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: in so we're gonna have some wine and um, just 718 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: hang out. Tell us what you're doing right now? Yeah? 719 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: Where are you working now? Because I'm so happy that 720 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: you're not in school anymore. It's actually because of you, Hillary, No, 721 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: it's not because of me. Yes, it is when you 722 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: turned me onto this organization. It's a nonprofit. It's called 723 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: Stockade Works. We're based in the Hudson Valley. UM. It 724 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: was filmed by actress and filmmaker Mary Stuart Masterson Boss. 725 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: We train, we mentor, and we were for Hudson Valley residents, 726 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: UM for below the line crew positions in TV and film. 727 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: UM when our focus is access and inclusion. Obviously, and unfortunately, 728 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: so many people in the industry behind the camera and 729 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: in front of the camera look like white ciss males 730 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: like myself, and it can be like very much a 731 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: boys club and hard to get in. And so we 732 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: fight to have access and inclusion for more women, BIPOC veterans, 733 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: anyone and everyone that feels like they've been bart access 734 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: to the to the industry. And so we trained, then 735 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 1: we mentor, and we refer. So bring your projects to 736 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: the Hudson Valley and we can hire local crew and 737 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: not looks the same. And UM, I love what I do, 738 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: so honestly, anybody at home, if you could learn how 739 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: to work in the film industry from Colin, do it like. 740 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: You are a wonderful teacher, You're a wonderful advocate, and 741 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: you're just so fun, which is why I hate that 742 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,959 Speaker 1: we had to have you on for this really sad episode. Colin, 743 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: we should be dishy about our drag creen adventures right now. 744 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: I know, and I do have to say. You brought 745 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: me on for the project a couple of years ago 746 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: and I hadn't acted in so long, and I was like, Oh, 747 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm like finally getting to play like an openly gay 748 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: character and remind me to never go full bird Cage 749 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: if you what are you talking about? Colin? The whole 750 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: time we're filming a movie together, he was am I 751 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: being too gay, And I'm like, what are you talking about? 752 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: Coming You're a gaming yet exists in my top five 753 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: films of all times. So I to say you should 754 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: go more, bird Cage. We need to do more. We 755 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: need to do more. We need to have the fan 756 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: base right in, like a totally different narrative for us 757 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 1: to do with you that does not involve tragedy, that 758 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: is just pure pleasure seeking. That's what we need. Let's 759 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: go make a movie in Spain or the Hudson Valley. 760 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: Let's do it. I'm down. It was so good to 761 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: see all. Thanks for having me, love you, love you, 762 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: send us lots of pictures. I will absolutely And one 763 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: of my best friends who is an actor and his 764 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: wife live in Madrid. So Hill, will you put column 765 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: I on a text I want to connect. I'll get 766 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: you a little tip list. Oh I love it, I 767 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: love it. I'm doing it right now. I'm so glad 768 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: you came. Yes, Yes, thank you all so much. Maybe 769 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: I love you so much. Oh my goodness, Angel, he's amazing. 770 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: I love him perfect. He's just such a gorgeous So 771 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: he's so ah patient I could just remember him being 772 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: such a patient actor to work with, making space for everyone. Oh, 773 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: Hillary thinks it's a good Hillary just looked us all 774 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: up on text um and he's so smart and insightful. 775 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: Uh just yeah, you're right. If you have a chance 776 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: to work with him, take it. Yeah. And new capacity well, also, 777 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: he came up as a child actor. You know, both 778 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: Colin and Lee were child actors, and rather than be rivals, 779 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: they were advocates for one another. You know, they said, 780 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: such a good example. They could have been bitches to 781 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: one another. Because I'm sure they like took jobs from 782 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: one another. You know, I bet they tested for all 783 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: the same stuff and instead they were collaborative and really supportive. 784 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: And Lee really like mourned the loss of Calling on 785 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 1: our show because he lost his soundboard, you know, the 786 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: person that he got to do fun banter with. So 787 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, like we said at the beginning of 788 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: Colin being here, the meta of it all, Colin being dismissed, 789 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: Jimmy being dismissed, and then getting them back just for 790 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: a moment felt like a cheat and not to be snippy, 791 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: but occasionally we are to get him back for a 792 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: moment where he mopped there yes with everyone and was like, oh, 793 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna lose this sogeous, gorgeous. I just 794 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: hope that the folks were snippy about when a big boy. Yeah. 795 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,760 Speaker 1: But by the way, for anybody out there that's casting 796 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: a movie, put Colin in it, because one, he makes 797 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: everything better. But to um, he's also such a pro 798 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: and makes everything behind the camera so fun, Like, let's 799 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: all work with fun. I like fun. H that's all 800 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: I want more fun, fun, damn it. Um, it looks 801 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: like we have a listener question, but I can't see it. 802 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: I've got it weird set up here. Christina asks during 803 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: the school shooting episode, where did you draw your emotions from? 804 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: Did you do research or watch any news coverage from 805 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: previous school shootings. That was such a heavy episode, and 806 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 1: I went through so many emotions watching it. I'm sure 807 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 1: it was very emotional filming it, trying to remember what 808 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 1: I did. I think we all probably read some articles 809 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: and watched some documentaries and things, but I mean, ultimately, 810 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: it's just your worst nightmare. I mean, well, and we've 811 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: been living through it. That's the thing, you know, It's 812 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,720 Speaker 1: a We spoke at the top of this episode about 813 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: what it was like when Columbine happened, and you know, 814 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 1: for me personally, I don't know if it was an 815 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: hour or five hours before I knew that it wasn't 816 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: my best childhood friends, high school, but it felt like, 817 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone at my school was hysterical. And I 818 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: imagine for each of you, you know, it's it's it's 819 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: a it's a moment where you were very sense of 820 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: safety in the world around you gets broken, and for 821 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,439 Speaker 1: that to happen here in in our home country, over 822 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: and over and over again, and for it not to 823 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: be the highest national priority to change it is something 824 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: that changes you. And and I know for me and 825 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, just get given the conversation the three of 826 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: us have had, I feel like I can say for 827 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: all of us, that's a that's an emotional presence that 828 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: doesn't go away. Yeah. I mean I remember going to 829 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: school after Columbine and it did shift. It shifted the 830 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,879 Speaker 1: way everyone looked at each other in school. We were 831 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: all especially the kids that did show up because at 832 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: the time, you know, we were thinking, oh, it's the 833 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: goth kids, it's the trench coat, you know. And so 834 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: the kids that did show up grengey and wearing clothes 835 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 1: that were like different from everybody we were, it pushed 836 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 1: them out further. Remember people, we all just there was 837 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: this sense of yeah, it changes your the way that 838 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: you look at your safety in the world, but even 839 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 1: just among your peers, where you feel like it's a 840 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: it's a safe place. We're all, yeah, we're all going 841 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 1: to get past it. It's all okay, right, right, wait, right, 842 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: maybe it's not. And to have a distrust like that 843 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,879 Speaker 1: seeping through your hallways every day, especially for people who 844 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: already feel that kind of distrust at home and then 845 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: they go to school and then they're dealing with it there. 846 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: It's it's just impossible. It's just so hard. My high 847 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: school experience was that I was fringe with the trench 848 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: Coat Mafia. They were my people. We would go to 849 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: poetry slams together, we did theater together, like those are 850 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: my friends. And the ringleader of that group was my 851 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: friend Scott Kirkpatrick, who, if you've ever like seen my 852 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: posts on Memorial Day or Veteran's Day, he ended up 853 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: joining the military because as he really believed in the 854 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: freedom of speech and wanted everybody to have that, and um, 855 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: he ended up dying in Iraq. So when we filmed 856 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: this episode, he was still alive, and he was the 857 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: person I was thinking about because, like to your point, Joy, 858 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: those kids were pushed further out when now we know 859 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: all these felt that, now we know all these years 860 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: later that it was bullshit, And I knew it was 861 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: bullshit in when it happened, when those groups were targeted 862 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: and blamed UM at our school, they had like a 863 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: trench Coke band that went into effect and they would 864 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: like you couldn't wear Jenko pants for like a while 865 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: because you could hide something and then it was stupid. 866 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: It was stupid, and it targeted everyone who wasn't a jock. 867 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: And you know, now we know um otherwise, But when 868 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: we filmed this episode, I remember still feeling a lot 869 00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,839 Speaker 1: of anger that these groups were by being targeted because 870 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: we did kind of so we perpetuate in this episode, 871 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: you know that it's the picked on kid. And I 872 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,359 Speaker 1: guess I was just really struggling with that and so, UM, 873 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: I listened on my iPod on repeat the song from 874 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 1: Lama is Empty Chairs at Empty Tables, and I remember 875 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,800 Speaker 1: that just like feeling the loss of not just the 876 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,359 Speaker 1: kids who had been shot, not just the kids who 877 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 1: perpetuated these things, but also the loss of like the 878 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: kids who know one trusts anymore and who are being 879 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: like side eyed and ostracized. Um. We had a member 880 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: of our crew who had been shot, and he came 881 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,919 Speaker 1: and sat with me and kind of talked me through 882 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: the wave that you feel not just because you're in 883 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 1: physical pain, um, but because you don't know what's going 884 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: to happen next, you know, and you know that you're 885 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,320 Speaker 1: so vulnerable, you know. I was like, is it real that, 886 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: like Peyton hasn't lost that much blood? Is it real that, um, 887 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: she would be fading in and out already. You know, 888 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,839 Speaker 1: there were technical questions I had that I didn't want 889 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: to screw up because I knew that there were kids 890 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 1: who actually lived this experience and you don't want to 891 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 1: get up m And he was. He was really wonderful. Um. 892 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 1: And we found out after we filmed all this stuff 893 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: in the library, and I didn't even want it in 894 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: the library because that still felt so Columbiny, like the 895 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: library stuff just it was a reference I felt like 896 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,959 Speaker 1: was too much. But um, after we filmed, we found 897 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 1: out one of the extras that we had on set 898 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: had been a student Columbine when that happened, and she 899 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: had no idea what our episode was about until she 900 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 1: came to work that day. My god. Yeah, it was 901 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: just one of those like freak things that happens in 902 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: the world where you're like, what, how I mean, did 903 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: she go home or did she still? She stayed and 904 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,800 Speaker 1: she talked with our a D staff and she was 905 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: very forthcoming. She was amazing and I wish, I mean, 906 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,800 Speaker 1: I wish I knew who she was or like I 907 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,720 Speaker 1: had stayed in touch if if she's listening, like, please 908 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: reach out to us, because we were all very very 909 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: very unsteady about this guy's I cannot emphasize enough that 910 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,920 Speaker 1: I did not want to do this episode. Um, and 911 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: she made us feel like it was important work. So 912 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: for that angel out there, wherever she is, you know, 913 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: you put a lot of fears to rest your incredibly 914 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 1: helpful So thanks, thanks for that. Mhm beautiful, she was good. Well, 915 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 1: I think how old is most of our listening audience? 916 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,240 Speaker 1: Are we all grown up? So are we all parents 917 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,879 Speaker 1: and adults in some fashion? I'm pretty sure that's do Um. 918 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, the the thing about our show is that 919 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: we do a lot of goofy stuff, but it also 920 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,360 Speaker 1: is a platform to talk with your family members about 921 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So, um, even if you think 922 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,360 Speaker 1: your kid is not exposed to this kind of stuff, 923 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you that they are. My own 924 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: son at eleven twelve years old, uh, stumbled upon videos 925 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: that I found on his iPad. He was like, Mom, 926 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: watched these, Um, watch these funny videos with me, and 927 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: they were compilations of like animal videos and epic fails. 928 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 1: You know, they get labeled under epic fails, which is 929 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:53,160 Speaker 1: something that as a parent, you're like, okay, funny, It's like, yes, exactly, 930 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: it's skateboard videos. It's like a dog falling off of something. 931 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, they're all harmless. And as I watch these videos, 932 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 1: these compilations with my son, I started to see some 933 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 1: very uh alarming things mixed in, like Alex Jones and 934 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,880 Speaker 1: certain yes. And this is why I don't let her 935 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,160 Speaker 1: watch YouTube because I know there's it's like you just 936 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: never quite know what we get there, splice and stuff 937 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 1: in they're going after the kids. It's spliced in so 938 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 1: split second and so quickly. But what it does is 939 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:32,360 Speaker 1: it establishes these certain personalities, these radical personalities in our country, 940 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,399 Speaker 1: and it sets a tone with a ten year old, 941 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: eleven year old, twelve year old, Oh that's a funny 942 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: guy from that funny video that I watched. That was funny. 943 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,919 Speaker 1: And then the next thing is they're seeing a video 944 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: that's a little bit longer and a little bit longer, 945 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: and it establishes a pattern of these voices are funny 946 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,120 Speaker 1: and by the time that boy is sixteen or seventeen 947 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: years old, unless he has a parent or an authority 948 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: figure that comes in and it's like this is not funny. 949 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:06,359 Speaker 1: And I'm going to lovingly explained to you why they're radicalized. So, um, yeah, 950 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 1: you gotta show up in your kids. It's really hard 951 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,879 Speaker 1: into You've got to pay attention. I got to pay attention. Well, 952 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: and to your point, you've got to look for where 953 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,480 Speaker 1: it's buried. Yeah, it's it's totally buried. Much like when 954 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 1: a woman finds herself in an abusive relationship, people go, well, 955 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: how'd you end up with that guy? Or why did 956 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,479 Speaker 1: you stay? Because it doesn't start there. It doesn't start 957 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: with the snowball being the size of a boulder. It 958 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: starts with the snowball being the size of a p 959 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,400 Speaker 1: And that's how they're getting into our in front of 960 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: our kids and these things snowball and you know, just 961 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: last week, I'm not even gonna say his name because 962 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to give him any promo, but this horrible, violent, 963 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: misogynistic um she's like an m M A fighter or something. Uh, 964 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 1: finally got banned from Twitter and Instagram. And this is 965 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: a guy who had amassed me millions of followers, mostly 966 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: teenage boys, teaching them to disrespect women, beat women, rape women, 967 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: and boys were like no, he's the coolest. He's just 968 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,440 Speaker 1: being unny. Man's funny. He got in in these little videos, 969 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: and to Hillary's point, by the end, millions of kids 970 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,560 Speaker 1: were watching him talk for minutes and minutes and minutes, 971 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 1: and it was horrific. I mean horrific. I couldn't get 972 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: to the end of some of these videos. And I'm 973 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: an adult, but I want to know what we're up. 974 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 1: This is and this is why it's so important to 975 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: show up and pay attention to what your kids are 976 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,040 Speaker 1: watching and what they're h and also to teach them 977 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: to self govern so that they have the ability to 978 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 1: to spot some of this stuff and go, oh, I 979 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 1: don't want that to be a part of my my world. 980 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that. I know that 981 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't fully understand it all, but I know that 982 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,000 Speaker 1: I trust my parents, or my guardian or the person 983 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 1: that is mentoring and looking out for me when they 984 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,640 Speaker 1: say this is not good for you. I'm not going 985 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 1: to try and sneak it. I'm not going to try 986 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,280 Speaker 1: and continent you have. That's a character development thing. You 987 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,720 Speaker 1: have to start teaching your kids young, and as they 988 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: grow they will it works. I've done it with my 989 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,640 Speaker 1: own kid. I've seen other people do it with their kids. 990 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: You can teach your children to self govern and that's 991 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: one of the most important things because voices like this 992 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 1: are probably not going away anytime. So everyone has a 993 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: right to their own thought and their own space. And 994 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 1: that's why it's so important to be vigilant as a parent, 995 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,920 Speaker 1: so that you can monitor and teach them to monitor themselves. 996 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: It was so much easier growing up in the eighties. Honestly, 997 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 1: if I could go back and be an eighties mom, 998 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,200 Speaker 1: you better I can believe I would sign up for that. 999 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: Just books and bangs. Let's go books and banks. Can 1000 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 1: we put that on a T shirt? Telling me about it? Well, honestly, like, 1001 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: hats off to all of our guest stars in this 1002 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: episode because aliceon Cagliotti was unmade easing Um Amber was amazing. 1003 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Who's the guy that played Marcus? Yeah? Who was that awesome? 1004 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 1: And why didn't we get more of him? Yeah? He 1005 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 1: was a great actor and should have played Felix, is 1006 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: my take? Yeah he was great. Yeah, I would have 1007 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:26,240 Speaker 1: supported that, that would have been um But or is 1008 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,360 Speaker 1: this the pattern of us naming characters after after people's 1009 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 1: real names? On our show. It's like they just didn't 1010 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,720 Speaker 1: want to have to deal with it. They didn't want 1011 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 1: to talk about it. It was like, honestly, with the 1012 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,760 Speaker 1: cast this big, you can't expect the directors and the 1013 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 1: a D staff and all the producers to remember people's 1014 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 1: real names and character names. Don't be ridiculous. The Hall 1015 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 1: of Fame with Antoine and Bevin and so many more 1016 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,960 Speaker 1: of our friends. Yeah, but also before we leave, we 1017 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: have to address the Keith of it all, which I 1018 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,480 Speaker 1: know that we're going to talk more about in the 1019 01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 1: next episode. UM, let's put a disclaimer up for suicide 1020 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,600 Speaker 1: on this episode, um, because that's ultimately what it is. 1021 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if this is a school 1022 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: shooting episode, but I know for a fact it's a 1023 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:17,960 Speaker 1: suicide episode. UM. And that is accurate. Pain is uh. 1024 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: Pain is very real when you're in the depths of 1025 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: it and you don't see a way out. And so 1026 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,440 Speaker 1: let's make sure we post resources. Um. You know, the 1027 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 1: loss here is kind of unbelievable, between losing Colins slash 1028 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:41,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy and Keith slash Craig. So yeah, I don't know, guys, 1029 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 1: what episode what I have you one? I love you guys, 1030 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,120 Speaker 1: And I'm glad that we walked through this together, and um, 1031 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that our audience is sticking with us through 1032 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 1: this and hopefully everybody was able to take something positive 1033 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,800 Speaker 1: away from it. Yeah, and I do hope, you know, 1034 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,520 Speaker 1: as we move forward, that we'll be able to dig 1035 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 1: a little bit deeper into some of these issues, you know, 1036 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 1: into what is happening online, into how we can activate 1037 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:20,840 Speaker 1: our families and communities, um, to push back against this 1038 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,680 Speaker 1: beheamoth of violence that we're up against. How we can 1039 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,400 Speaker 1: advocate better for each other, for our friends that are 1040 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 1: in pain, for people who might be, you know, struggling 1041 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,920 Speaker 1: with depression or suicidal ideation. You know, we said it 1042 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: earlier that it's it's so important to be vulnerable and 1043 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: and you know, call and said that beautiful thing that 1044 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,320 Speaker 1: people can't help you until you vocalize and ask. And 1045 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,360 Speaker 1: one of the things that's inspired me the most about 1046 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,000 Speaker 1: our One Trey Heal family is that people come here 1047 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,360 Speaker 1: to be vulnerable with each other. People share their stories, 1048 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,360 Speaker 1: and not just with us, our fans share them with 1049 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,760 Speaker 1: each other. They've built friendship across the world that are 1050 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 1: real And I hope we can continue to be a 1051 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,280 Speaker 1: place where we can vocalize and ask and witness each other. Sophia, 1052 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,120 Speaker 1: there's an organization you just sent me a T shirt 1053 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,640 Speaker 1: for UM, I've got ninety nine problems. Uh, can you 1054 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: can you tell everybody what that is? Um? Yeah, So guys, 1055 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,520 Speaker 1: something really amazing has finally happened this year. UM. There's 1056 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,160 Speaker 1: a lot going on in the world and having one 1057 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 1: resource line to call doesn't make sense. If you are 1058 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 1: struggling with a mental health crisis, you don't necessarily need 1059 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,040 Speaker 1: to call nine one one to talk to a police officer. 1060 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,680 Speaker 1: You need a mental health professional. And so this year 1061 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 1: here in the US, we have finally, with the incredible 1062 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 1: support of you know, many activists who have championed this cause, 1063 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,880 Speaker 1: our country has launched eight and it is the emergency 1064 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Mental health helpline. So great. You know, if God forbid, 1065 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,120 Speaker 1: you witness a car accident, you call nine one one 1066 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,280 Speaker 1: to get the cops and the firefighters. If you or 1067 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: someone you know is having a mental health crisis, you 1068 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 1: down nine eight and you will be routed to a 1069 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:14,200 Speaker 1: mental health professional team and response option. And so hopefully 1070 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,520 Speaker 1: nine eight can really help a lot of people, UM 1071 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,920 Speaker 1: get the help that they need just as quickly as 1072 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 1: you know you would if you called nine on one 1073 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,560 Speaker 1: because there was a fire or something. So that's fantastic. 1074 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,280 Speaker 1: Gus asked to wear that shirt to school. He did. Yeah, 1075 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,320 Speaker 1: he was like, can I read this school so people 1076 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,760 Speaker 1: so people know? And I love him. I also I 1077 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,720 Speaker 1: love you know. I had shared about it, and the 1078 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,120 Speaker 1: folks who have helped to run the outreach said, can 1079 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,400 Speaker 1: we send you some stuff? And I was like, oh 1080 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,080 Speaker 1: my god, I want to send care packages to all 1081 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,640 Speaker 1: my friends. So it's been fun to send you all 1082 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,800 Speaker 1: and a couple of other people some mailers. And they 1083 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 1: also made these great stickers that I've just been sticking 1084 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,120 Speaker 1: on like telephone polls and mailboxes, and I'm like, god, 1085 01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: I feel like a high school kid again. Are you 1086 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,600 Speaker 1: a handle? I mean kind of like putting up no 1087 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,040 Speaker 1: X shakers like Peyton. I'm out there being like, call 1088 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,520 Speaker 1: for your mental health. Here's where you go. See me 1089 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,400 Speaker 1: at the grocery store doing the same thing. Um. I 1090 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: love you guys. Let's spin a wheel today. We need 1091 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: to end on an up note. I feel like we 1092 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,000 Speaker 1: all a little bit of it. I'd like some I'd 1093 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,920 Speaker 1: like some happiness with the two of you. Well, we 1094 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,120 Speaker 1: got to take care of each other. And I hope 1095 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 1: our you know, our listeners are doing the same thing. 1096 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,960 Speaker 1: Let yourself, let yourself take breaks from the darkness. It's important. 1097 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,320 Speaker 1: What do we got this week? We've got most likely 1098 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,960 Speaker 1: to guys. I just went to the store and picked 1099 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,880 Speaker 1: up well, first of all, I died my dough tell 1100 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,680 Speaker 1: them what it is. But oh shoot, this is how 1101 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,320 Speaker 1: excited Joy is. She's like, okay, so so on background, 1102 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,320 Speaker 1: it's most likely to die their hair a crazy color 1103 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: and goin all spent and then okay, get right. I 1104 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,960 Speaker 1: just went to the drug store and I picked up 1105 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,640 Speaker 1: a bottle of purple hair dye. I think I should 1106 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,680 Speaker 1: do it. I mean to be fair. I just toned 1107 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,320 Speaker 1: my gray hair and it ended up a little purple. 1108 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,200 Speaker 1: So it was an intentional did it. It's fun. It's 1109 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,120 Speaker 1: a fine line though, like there's a purple where it's like, oh, 1110 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,760 Speaker 1: this is kind of just I don't know, it's like 1111 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 1: bad nineties, it's going to be good. And then there's 1112 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: like sexy pastel like unicorn purple, and I don't I'm 1113 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,400 Speaker 1: gonna go for that. So we'll see my girl friends. 1114 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: And I got these cool hair kits to like, put 1115 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,600 Speaker 1: this pink wash in our hair early pandemic, A girlfriend, 1116 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,840 Speaker 1: Early pandemic. We were all locked up through like this 1117 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,960 Speaker 1: will be so fun. Let's get on the wall dyer 1118 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,280 Speaker 1: hair together, and I realized I was like, oh, but 1119 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,160 Speaker 1: my hair is too dark to put a wash in. 1120 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 1: So I just looked like Brooke Davis in Season three, 1121 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,560 Speaker 1: just like real, like in the sunlight, my hair was 1122 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,240 Speaker 1: an unnatural shade of red, and I was like, damn it. 1123 01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: So I need the two of you to do the 1124 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 1: pastel washes so I can live vicariously well. Joy wins 1125 01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,920 Speaker 1: it in real life? Which character do we think is 1126 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,960 Speaker 1: our dye your hair? Crazy colors did we have? I 1127 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,080 Speaker 1: don't think anyone wouldn't Peyton because we don't need to 1128 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,080 Speaker 1: talk about Peyton hair. Hair is traumatic. I was gonna 1129 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,640 Speaker 1: say Lucas because the only person who changed their hair 1130 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,800 Speaker 1: more than I did was Chad. It was only a 1131 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,240 Speaker 1: matter of time before he was like, we're doing it. 1132 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna die at Ravens blue. Um. That would have 1133 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: been hot for the boys for like one of the 1134 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,280 Speaker 1: National Championship episodes or something. They should have had them 1135 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,400 Speaker 1: all die their hair blue. That would have been so cool, 1136 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,600 Speaker 1: so fine. Next convention, we'll just tell oh perfect, keep 1137 01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,920 Speaker 1: the dream alive. Thanks guys, thanks for sticking through this 1138 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,520 Speaker 1: with us. We're so grateful that you came, and we 1139 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 1: hope to see you again next week. Yeah. Thanks guys. 1140 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,800 Speaker 1: The next episode we'll see you for if The Aftermath 1141 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 1: Season three, episode seventeen, Who will survive and what will 1142 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: be left of them