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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side. We are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and sixty eight,

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Speaker 1: airing in mid to late September of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Sarah is going to be interviewing Ashley Brown of Routine

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Speaker 1: and Things. She has interviewed Ashley for her other podcast,

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Speaker 1: Best Laid Plans, and Ashley was a great guest and

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Speaker 1: agreed to come on Best of Both Worlds as well. Sarah,

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Speaker 1: can you just tell us a little bit about Ashley

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Speaker 1: to introduce her. Yes, Ashley used to work primarily as

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Speaker 1: a nurse, and she has I think two young kids,

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Speaker 1: and she has a passion for routines and routine building

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Speaker 1: and has now basically made that her life's work. She

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Speaker 1: has a book out and she actually is launching a

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Speaker 1: planner to help you carve out your own routines. So

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Speaker 1: I was super I've actually chatted with Ashley once before

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Speaker 1: for Best Laid Plans, and I'm super excited to have

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Speaker 1: her on Best of Booth Worlds, just because I feel

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Speaker 1: like so many of our lives as working parents are

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Speaker 1: shaped by what our routines look like. So I think

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Speaker 1: this will be a really really fun conversation. Yeah, as

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Speaker 1: we're recording this, it's late August, and so my kids

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Speaker 1: be deep into routines. And hopefully future Laura has figured

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Speaker 1: out a wonderful bedtime routine, wake up routine for the

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Speaker 1: morning that involves getting five kids off to four different

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Speaker 1: schools and it's beautiful and maybe we can make an

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Speaker 1: episode about that. But current Laura, as I'm recording this,

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Speaker 1: current Sarah does have a routine now since her kids

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Speaker 1: doing these days? You know what? We actually have some

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Speaker 1: and it's not just the glitter of the newness. We

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Speaker 1: have a good family morning routine. We have a bedtime routine.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk for a moment about our

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Speaker 1: I need to work on our afternoon slash after school routine.

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Speaker 1: And I told Anna about this, and she was so cute.

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Speaker 1: She was like, you're right, we don't have routine, and

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Speaker 1: be different. That's okay. The kids can't expect me to

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Speaker 1: And you said there's a hard stop time of seven thirty,

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Speaker 1: lights start. Okay, well that sounds really cool. Great routine.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to welcome Ashley Brown to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is actually my second time interviewing Ashley because she

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone. My name is Ashley Brown. I am the

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Speaker 1: of them before this time. I've always been routine oriented,

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Speaker 1: After I realized, oh, routines helped me, I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I want to teach other women? Of course,

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Speaker 1: other women how to create routines and how to manage

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Speaker 1: point that I made. Because we're just excited. It's like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to change this. It's about to feel better

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Speaker 1: for me. Life is going to feel a little bit

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Speaker 1: more easier. And so we're just excited. But we do

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Speaker 1: way too much when it comes to us starting our routine.

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Speaker 1: So always focus on one routine at a time. I

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Speaker 1: know it may take you time to continue to build

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Speaker 1: your routines, but that's going to be more sustainable for you.

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Speaker 1: So one routine at a time, and also keep your

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Speaker 1: routine simple. Do not add a bunch to your routine.

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Speaker 1: The second pitfall that I typically see is we do

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Speaker 1: not assess our routines before we change them. So many

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Speaker 1: of us will like try to do a total overhaul

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Speaker 1: of our routine. So for example, you may be wanting

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Speaker 1: to start a morning routine. So what you do is

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Speaker 1: be like, Okay, my morning routine is gonna look like

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Speaker 1: this and this and this, and it's like, but wait,

447
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: you didn't even assess what was working or not working

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Speaker 1: in your current routine. You may not need to overhaul

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Speaker 1: your entire routine. And so I'm big on assessing first

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Speaker 1: what's working, maybe one or two things that may not

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Speaker 1: be working, and then just tweak those things. Tweak like

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Speaker 1: one or two things at a time, because when you're

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Speaker 1: doing any type of change, it takes time for you

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Speaker 1: to adjust. So if you're making this huge change, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna it's really gonna shock your mind and even your body,

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Speaker 1: and it might not you might not address as easily.

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Speaker 1: So just tweak your routine a little bit. Don't try

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Speaker 1: to old overhaul your routine, but definitely assess first. Those

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Speaker 1: are the two pitfalls that I see so much. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that people benefit from like writing out their

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Speaker 1: routinees because I also feel like sometimes people may do

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Speaker 1: things that they don't even realize our routines unless they

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Speaker 1: acknowledge them as such. And if they were to do

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Speaker 1: that and actually write out like the times they'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's why i'm late for work Bridge exactly. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: do recommend that. I'm always like, write out your routine.

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Speaker 1: When you're assessing your routines. One, you always want to

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Speaker 1: write it out because you may be missing things that

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Speaker 1: if you're just thinking about it in your head. But

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Speaker 1: writing it out can be really great because you visually

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Speaker 1: see what you're doing. But then even also when you're

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Speaker 1: creating a routine, I think it's really beneficial for you

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Speaker 1: to write it out as well, just because it also

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Speaker 1: helps with memory and like recalling and retaining your routine.

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Speaker 1: And so, yes, no, that makes sense. I guess I

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Speaker 1: have one other Well, I want you to talk about

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Speaker 1: your planner as well, But I wanted to ask, like

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking as you're speaking, like you have

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Speaker 1: made an amazing career pivot. You already were on a

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Speaker 1: really cool career trajectory, but then you took a break

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Speaker 1: and you you took another one. What was it like

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Speaker 1: building this brand new business? Like? How did you learn

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Speaker 1: all the things you needed to learn? Was it scary?

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Speaker 1: Like what was that like making that kind of mid

485
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Speaker 1: career transition? Oh? Man, yeah, it was. It was interesting

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Speaker 1: because I loved what I did. I think this was

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Speaker 1: the piece for me. I loved what I did. I

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Speaker 1: loved teaching. I taught nursing, but I taught specifically for

489
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Speaker 1: anybody that's in the healthcare field or even not. But

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Speaker 1: I taught simulation, which is I worked with the students

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Speaker 1: wear their hands on, working with like mannequins in like

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Speaker 1: a fake scenario of caring for a patient. So not

493
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Speaker 1: only was I teaching, I was also coaching them in

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Speaker 1: the moment of how to change behavior, which is something

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Speaker 1: that I absolutely loved. It was such a joy to do,

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Speaker 1: but it just didn't fit with the life, my lifestyle

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Speaker 1: anymore at a certain point in time, especially when COVID

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Speaker 1: came about. So it was I wouldn't say it was

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Speaker 1: scary so much because I'm I'm a risk taker. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna be very honest I am. Even though I'm

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Speaker 1: type A, I am a risk taker, like I'm like no,

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Speaker 1: because I have faith and it's like if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: work out. I also feel security because my career isn't nursing,

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Speaker 1: so I feel like I could always get a job,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what helped me take the risk.

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Speaker 1: And so it was this thought of, Okay, how is

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Speaker 1: this gonna look. But I was just willing to do

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Speaker 1: it because I knew that it was purposeful. I was

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Speaker 1: intentional about what I was doing. I also had saved

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Speaker 1: up a good amount of money before I left, and

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Speaker 1: so I was like, let's see if it works. If not,

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Speaker 1: I can always get another job. I love what I do,

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Speaker 1: so it'll be fine. And so that for me was

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Speaker 1: kind of that transition. And because I also know that

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Speaker 1: I'm really great at self management, I kind of felt

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Speaker 1: as if it was going to be easier for me

517
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Speaker 1: to even be able to keep my business flowing because

518
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Speaker 1: I'm good at like when I need to get something done,

519
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: is going to get done. I manage my energy very well.

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Speaker 1: I take care of myself very well, and so I

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Speaker 1: knew I was in the right mental space and that

522
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Speaker 1: really and therapy really helped me with the mental space

523
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Speaker 1: component being a really great mental space. But also I've

524
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Speaker 1: had coaches along the way, like business coaches, and so

525
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: they teach a lot on mindset too, and so I

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Speaker 1: felt like I was prepared when I went into the business.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm having fun. I'm so happy with my

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Speaker 1: lifestyle there and you're making so many things. What is

529
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Speaker 1: it like to design a product and see that come

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Speaker 1: to fruition? Ooh, designing product, Oh my gosh, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful process. But it's definitely worked because I'm

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Speaker 1: very intentional with like how I'm one. I work with

533
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Speaker 1: a graphic designer, so I always like to put that

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Speaker 1: out there, which is with the colors and that piece.

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Speaker 1: I'm always the one I sketch how I want the

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Speaker 1: pad or the planner to look, so I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: want this here, I want this here, and then they'll

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Speaker 1: feel in like the colors and the fonts and things

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Speaker 1: like that. But that process is very much a process

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Speaker 1: because you have to think about what is really going

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Speaker 1: to be helpful for people. I don't just want to

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Speaker 1: put something on paper just because it looks good. I

543
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: needed to be intentionally laid out and make sense for

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Speaker 1: the women that I'm praying it for. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: very intentional with weight. Okay, how much space do they have?

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Speaker 1: Is it too much space? Because we'll try to feel

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Speaker 1: in everything, so is it too much space? They need

548
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Speaker 1: to do some brain dumping, they need, you know, like

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Speaker 1: we need help in really prioritizing and thinking about what

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Speaker 1: can be beneficial for our day to day. So did

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Speaker 1: I put anything like that in here to help guide

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Speaker 1: their thinking. So I'm really picky and just intentional with

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Speaker 1: how I design things, which makes it even more of

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Speaker 1: a process. But once I have it laid out and

555
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I think this will be really beneficial.

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00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: And it's also scary because you never know if people

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Speaker 1: are gonna like it. That's the other thing. You're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if people are gonna like this. I

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Speaker 1: believe that it's going to be helpful bas upon when

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00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from y'all, but like, I don't know if

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00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: you're actually going to benefit from or like it. But

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Speaker 1: I'm really good now. In the beginning, I wasn't as

563
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: good at testing, but I tested the planner. So that

564
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: was something that was really important for me to really

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Speaker 1: see if it was really helpful for women that makes

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Speaker 1: sense and something that you learned along the way. That

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00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: was like trial in our iterations design thinking. That's that's

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Speaker 1: so cool. Tell our listeners we're gonna do it. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it day in the life. That's next. But

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Speaker 1: I want you to be able to tell them you

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Speaker 1: know who might benefit from your planner and what makes

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Speaker 1: it special. Yes, So the routine in things planner is

573
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: all about helping you get organized and into routine. And

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Speaker 1: who's going to really benefit most from the planner is

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Speaker 1: women who feel as if your day to day is

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Speaker 1: super chaotic and you're in a very overwhelming season where

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Speaker 1: you feel like you really need to get organized and

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Speaker 1: you want to use planning and routine to help you

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Speaker 1: get there. Because the planner includes the planning aspect but

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00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: also the routine building aspect, where you're going to be

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00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: incorporating routines into your life. Over time, you will be

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Speaker 1: able to create four routines in a year and just

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Speaker 1: gradually incorporate them into your life. And so that's what

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Speaker 1: the planner is really great for. And the special part

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Speaker 1: about our planner one is that it includes planning and routines.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is because I

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Speaker 1: don't think that many of us understand that planning and

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00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: routines are both organizational tools, and some of us just

589
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: always use planning and we still wonder why why am

590
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: I still overwhelmed? I'm planning every week, but I'm still

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed and it's like you're missing the routine component, which

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Speaker 1: is the foundations that you consistently do and the actions

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Speaker 1: you consistently do there are supportive practices in your life.

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Speaker 1: So that's one how it's very different. Two, the routine

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Speaker 1: block planning method is inside the Planner, which I am

596
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: so excited about. It is a very simple planning method

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00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: where you are organizing your weekly task into four routine categories.

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Speaker 1: Those categories are self care, family, cleaning, and cooking. And

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Speaker 1: it's such a visual type of planning method that I

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Speaker 1: think people who are visual learners will actually appreciate and

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00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: it just, oh my god, it does so much for

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00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: just your brain. It does so much for how you

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00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: lay out your days, keeping you focused and like anchored

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Speaker 1: to the things that actually matter in your day to

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Speaker 1: day so that you can remain sane and just feel

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Speaker 1: like you're feel like you are tackling the things that

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00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: actually matter in a day today and not forgetting these

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Speaker 1: things that can get lost in the shuffle of life.

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Speaker 1: So that is the really special component about the Planning.

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Speaker 1: I took one look at that and was like, I

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Speaker 1: need to putcolor pens all over that. Like it's very

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Speaker 1: inviting to write on and it like it really does

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Speaker 1: invite itself to like different color coding, and I'm gonna

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00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: play with it and hopefully I'll post some examples on

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Speaker 1: my blog or something because it's irresistible. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, Ashley tell us, since our listeners enjoy

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Speaker 1: it and we always get requests for this, give us

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Speaker 1: like a day in the life of Ashley Brown with

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Speaker 1: her three and five year old and her business owning self.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, so a day in the life,

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Speaker 1: and my days typically look pretty similar, so I would

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Speaker 1: say I'll even share about what I'm doing today. So

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Speaker 1: I woke up and I usually get myself ready first

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Speaker 1: before I get the girls ready for school because they

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Speaker 1: are in school, and so got myself ready, then got

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Speaker 1: the girls ready, even though my husband this morning got

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Speaker 1: them ready typically I do. He got them ready this morning,

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Speaker 1: so it just depends on how I'm feeling. Like I

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Speaker 1: wasn't feeling the best this morning, y'all, so it was like, Hubby,

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Speaker 1: you gotta step in. So he got them ready and

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Speaker 1: then they ate breakfast. He packed their lunches for today.

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Speaker 1: I was still getting ready. I don't know why I

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Speaker 1: was so slow. Moving this morning. But and so finally

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Speaker 1: I came downstairs when they were about to hit out

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Speaker 1: the door. We both typically dropped them off to school,

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Speaker 1: which is a blessing that we're able to do that.

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Speaker 1: But we dropped them off to school, and we're done

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Speaker 1: with drop off typically by eight am, So that's when

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Speaker 1: me and him usually come back to the house. He

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Speaker 1: goes off and starts his workday, which he's a project manager,

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Speaker 1: so he starts doing that, and then I'm here at

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Speaker 1: the house typically and I'll start my workday, so that

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Speaker 1: looks like one. I'll eat first and then make me

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Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, come down to the basement, and

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Speaker 1: I start my work day. I already know what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing because I've already mapped out my week the previous week,

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Speaker 1: and so I know today I'm focusing on. I typically

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Speaker 1: in my workday don't do more than three core things,

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Speaker 1: like today it was like the podcast interview with Sarah,

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Speaker 1: and I am doing my weekly planning for next week

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Speaker 1: and then also packaging orders. So those are the things

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Speaker 1: I'm doing right three and so those are the things

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Speaker 1: that I'm doing. I will get them done. I'll probably

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Speaker 1: be done working by honestly, eleven thirty. I'll probably be

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Speaker 1: done working by eleven thirty. And then what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do after that, I typically will take a walk after

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Speaker 1: I get done with working. I am typically done with

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Speaker 1: working at twelve. I'm just gonna be very honest. I'm

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Speaker 1: typically done at twelve, and so I take a walk,

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Speaker 1: and then I come back. I make me some lunch,

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Speaker 1: I eat, I rest, I may even fold some clothes.

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Speaker 1: But I have something to quick to do around here,

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Speaker 1: may wash the dishes, and then I'll go pick up

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Speaker 1: my daughters. My first, my youngest daughter has to be

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Speaker 1: picked up by two thirty. My oldest daughter has to

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Speaker 1: be picked up by three, and so then we're back

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Speaker 1: to the house. Usually no later than three fifteen. We're

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Speaker 1: back to the house. And then once they get here,

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Speaker 1: we'll do like they're after school, things like snag. They'll

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Speaker 1: watch TV. They'll play up in the playroom. They'll come

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Speaker 1: outside and sit with me. I love sitting outside on

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Speaker 1: my porch, and so they'll come outside, pull the doll

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Speaker 1: house outside, play with the doll house, sit with me,

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Speaker 1: and so we'll be like playing and just chilling up

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Speaker 1: until I would say five thirty and then that's when

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Speaker 1: I started making dinner. Make dinner, we eat, we play,

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Speaker 1: They get on our nerves. Y'all know how young kids are.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, you're like, okay, it's about to be time

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Speaker 1: for bed, Saint gone. And so then typically around seven

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Speaker 1: is when we head upstairs. We do their bedtime routine.

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Speaker 1: They're in bed no later than eight, unless my husband

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Speaker 1: is getting them ready for bed, and then it's eight

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Speaker 1: thirty nine. I'm like, baby, you gotta get together. Ours

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Speaker 1: is similar, and then it's like if that happens, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: you own it because this was you know, they would

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Speaker 1: have been a saving So I'm invited to read quietly

687
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Speaker 1: and relation you can finish up the process exactly. And

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Speaker 1: so typically they're sleep by at least eight thirty, like

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Speaker 1: they're in bed by eight, but they're sleep by eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: And when they get in bed, I typically will start

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Speaker 1: doing my bedtime routine, which is typically showering, and then

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Speaker 1: I journal I met a take. My husband is still

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Speaker 1: downstairs because he loves he's a night out and loves

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Speaker 1: to stay up, and I'm like, that's not me. So

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Speaker 1: he sometimes gets upset, but I'm like, baby, I need

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Speaker 1: my sleep so I'll typically do my bedtime routine. He

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Speaker 1: may come upstairs and hang out with me for a

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Speaker 1: little bit and then I fall asleep and that's my

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00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: day and we just do the same thing over again.

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Speaker 1: I love it. That was awesome. That was an excellent

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Speaker 1: Well that's because you're so aware of what your routines are,

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Speaker 1: not everybody is, which I think to me is the

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Speaker 1: one huge takeaway from your work. I really do feel

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Speaker 1: like after listening to you, I started just becoming so

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Speaker 1: much more aware of my own routines and the power

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Speaker 1: they hold. And that's actually made a huge just just

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Speaker 1: the thinking about it as like this is very important

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Speaker 1: because we do it every single day has been so helpful. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we have one more thing we have to do, which

710
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Speaker 1: is a love of the week, and I forgot to

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Speaker 1: warn you. So I'm going to do mine first so

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Speaker 1: you can think about what yours is going to be.

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Speaker 1: It can be anything. Could be like the weather, it

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Speaker 1: could be like this book, I read, a TV show,

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Speaker 1: this product, anything you want. Okay, So mine is random.

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Speaker 1: But my ears are very sensitive, like not in hearing,

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Speaker 1: but from earrings standpoint, Like I will react to like

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Speaker 1: every metal and like get these giant like possible, It's terrible.

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Speaker 1: And so I finally was like, I gotta try some

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Speaker 1: earrings that are like super super hypoallergenic. So I looked

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Speaker 1: it up and I found this company. It's this is

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Speaker 1: not an ad, by the way, they don't care about me.

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Speaker 1: It's called Teenylocks T I N I l u X

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Speaker 1: and their titanium studs. And I can wear earrings now,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so happy and like I can keep i

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Speaker 1: can wear them day after day and I'm not getting

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Speaker 1: itchy and I'm not getting like infected, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: super excited because it's been a really long time since

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Speaker 1: I've been able to wear earrings. Wow, So I love

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Speaker 1: That's my love of the week, daring. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: sharing that, because I used to be really sensitive to

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Speaker 1: jewelry too, so that would have been helpful then. I'm

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Speaker 1: not as sensitive now, but even if I see that

734
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Speaker 1: my girls are, then they would be helpful to know. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you so much. My love of

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Speaker 1: the week. I would have to say a book that

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Speaker 1: I just got finished reading. It is called Life Starts

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Speaker 1: Now by Chanelle Docun. It is absolutely amazing. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I'm like every woman, I feel like every person, but

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Speaker 1: it's specifically written for women should read this book. It

741
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: is all about purpose in a different way, like how

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Speaker 1: we have perceived purpose like her how she helps you

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Speaker 1: really define what your purpose is in life in a

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Speaker 1: very intentional way. But it has so much depth to

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Speaker 1: her book that even and I've done a lot of

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Speaker 1: just self development, self work, I'm such a like a

747
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Speaker 1: huge life learner, and so even the way in which

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Speaker 1: she spoke about certain things, it really blew my mind

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Speaker 1: and it helped me define even more so my purpose.

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Speaker 1: And so I really suggest this book for everyone. Life

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Speaker 1: starts now. It is absolutely amazed, pecially if you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're drowning in life. If you feel like you're

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Speaker 1: drowning and you're like, wait, what's going on day to day?

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00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: You're not feeling well? Because I feel like we all

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Speaker 1: at a certain point go through that time where we

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00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: do feel like we're drowning. Well, like why does life

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Speaker 1: not feel good? M h? It has more, it has

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Speaker 1: She's giving you more to think about other than just organization.

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Speaker 1: What else like deeper, like deeper, that deeper thing, which

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Speaker 1: I really love. So yeah, that sounds amazing and spell

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Speaker 1: her last name, and I will make sure to also

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Speaker 1: link it in our notes. Yes, it's d okay, you

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Speaker 1: in got it perfect? Thank you so much. Well, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: it has been a pleasure. I love chatting with you.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to have you back on Fascilaid Plans again,

766
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: so we'll just keep this going. So tell our listeners

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00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: where they can find you. Yes, so you can find

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Speaker 1: me either at routinathings dot com, which is the website

769
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: where everything is housed, or I love hanging out on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: so please come follow along on Instagram at routine and

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Speaker 1: Things Awesome. Well, thank you, it's been so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sarah. All right, well, that was wonderful. We

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Speaker 1: always love hearing from Ashley about routines. She's been on

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Speaker 1: Sarah's other podcast, Bestly Plans before, so I encourage people

775
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: to go listen to that episode if you want more

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Speaker 1: from Ashley. I'm glad that she could join us for

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Speaker 1: this one. So Sarah, question here tips for implementing the

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Speaker 1: this well, okay, back up here. One of the Tranquility

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Speaker 1: by Tuesday rules is to do effortful fun before effortless fun.

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Speaker 1: And I know many of us one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: I like this rule is I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: us have been struggling with feeling like much of our

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Speaker 1: leisure time is spent scrolling. So this listener writes that

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Speaker 1: she hates that she ends up scrolling whenever she gets

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Speaker 1: a chance to finally sit down, but her time often

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00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: comes in these really unpredictable small chunks. So, Sarah, someone

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Speaker 1: who has sort of successfully limited your time on social

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Speaker 1: media and random headlines scrolling, what wound up working for you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, for me, the complete exit was helpful. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's something that this listener necessarily wants

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Speaker 1: to do, but there's always that option which is going

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Speaker 1: to leave you more interested in other things. So thinking

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Speaker 1: about whether, at least for a time, you might want

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Speaker 1: to explore other options by taking that one completely off

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Speaker 1: the table, by taking it off your phone and maybe

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Speaker 1: even leaving a little away message of sorts. But even

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Speaker 1: if you don't want to do that, really, thinking of

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Speaker 1: some quick but easy effort for fun activities ahead of

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00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: time could be helpful. Examples might be a Kindle book

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Speaker 1: that you go to on your phone, or an app

801
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: like do a Lingo that you can complete segments in

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Speaker 1: small chunks. Maybe you're doing some sort of photo book making,

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00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: and you could do that in small bursts. I mean,

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00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: the possibilities are endless little meditations, or listening to a

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Speaker 1: certain musical work, or like you're trying to get through

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Speaker 1: a certain artist's entire catalog, like oh, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: lie down and relax and listen to a couple of

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Speaker 1: these songs. Whatever. You know, these are all just examples

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Speaker 1: you do you and whatever makes you excited. But I

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Speaker 1: do think thinking through what would be truly fun, but

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Speaker 1: not necessarily as ever, list ahead of the time might

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Speaker 1: be helpful. Yeah, I think having a list so you're

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Speaker 1: not just trying to think of it in the moment,

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Speaker 1: and having them be things that are genuinely enjoyable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're reading a book you really like, you start

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Speaker 1: looking for times to go read it, as opposed to,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to try and make yourself

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Speaker 1: do something you don't want to do, like that gets

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Speaker 1: rid of the whole idea of leisure time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the reason we do social media is that it is

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Speaker 1: vaguely fun and rewarding, and so it's something easy that

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Speaker 1: can fit this time. So you figure out something else

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Speaker 1: that does that. I think you know, if you have

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Speaker 1: a magazine with you, like if you get stuck waiting

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00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: for small bits of time places, often you can read

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Speaker 1: a short article in a magazine, and many of them

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00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: are perfectly fluffy. I'm not saying they're that much better

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Speaker 1: than Instagram, but it's it's still not online. So if

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Speaker 1: there are certain things that are making you feel icky online,

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit less of that. When it had

831
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Speaker 1: to go through an editorial team to wind up on

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Speaker 1: a page. There's just a slightly higher level of editing

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Speaker 1: going on into it that might make it feel a

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Speaker 1: little bit less icky for you. I know, I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to protect some of the bigger chunks of leisure

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Speaker 1: time for truly analog fun. I've been trying to get

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Speaker 1: more printed books. I love being able to read on

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Speaker 1: my phone, and certainly when I'm putting Henry to bed,

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Speaker 1: that's the only way I can read, So it's always

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Speaker 1: going to be time that I am on the phone.

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Speaker 1: But if I have a book I would like to read,

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Speaker 1: I am motivated to then get to my room at

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Speaker 1: say nine thirty ten o'clock, and if I don't have

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Speaker 1: to turn out lights till eleven, I've got sixty to

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Speaker 1: ninety minutes that I can just be off the phone

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Speaker 1: and doing this, and that often feels much more rewarding.

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Speaker 1: But I think one of the best ways to kind

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Speaker 1: of get yourself over this hurdle is to even just

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Speaker 1: like set a timer. Like when I say, do effortful

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Speaker 1: fun before effortless fun. I'm not saying you have to

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Speaker 1: do it forever. It's just that you do it before.

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Speaker 1: So if you are doing let's say you know you've

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Speaker 1: got a little chunk of time, go read something like

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Speaker 1: go read an ebook for two minutes, and then after

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Speaker 1: you do that that you can go scroll all you want.

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Speaker 1: But it's just flip that automatic order of things so

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Speaker 1: that you don't start with the effortless fun and they

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Speaker 1: then guilt free go to the effortless fun if you

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Speaker 1: want to. And often if it's a you know, if

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Speaker 1: it's a good book, if it's something else the hobby

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Speaker 1: you want to do, you'll keep going with it. But

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Speaker 1: even if you don't like, you can still have both

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Speaker 1: kinds of fun, and that can make leisure time, even

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Speaker 1: in small chunks feel a little bit more rewarding. Oh

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Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, and sometimes people will just stick

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Speaker 1: with the more effortful anyway, So yeah, exactly. But if

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Speaker 1: you don't, that's okay too. It's true. You can read

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Speaker 1: a chapter in More and Peace and then go bende

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Speaker 1: on selling Sunset for two hours and still be the

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Speaker 1: kind of person who does both. So it's all good,

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Speaker 1: all right. This has been best of both worlds. Sarah

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Speaker 1: has been interviewing Ashley Brown of Routine and Things. We

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Speaker 1: will be back next week with more on making work

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Speaker 1: in life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find

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Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoe box dot com or at

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Speaker 1: the Underscore Box on Instagram, and you can find me

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Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the

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Speaker 1: best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us next time

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Speaker 1: for more on making work and life work together.