WEBVTT - Fire Drill 003: Stories From Augusta 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:05.720 If you got invited to play in the Masters next 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.800 year for whatever reason, and you were in the part 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:09.559 three and you were tied for the lead in the 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:11.959 last hole, and you had an eight footer for Bertie 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.319 chanced to win some crystal win the whole thing. Would 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.040 you would you make it? Or would you would you 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.160 three put it? I don't know. I usually never got 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.160 to the ninth because if I was ever doing well, 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.720 I just hit it over the back on the into 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.079 the water. Okay. So that answers the question about I 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.080 wish you stupid because it would be fun to win, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.040 right And what a basical crystal to have on your show, 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:36.360 And like someone's gonna do it one day? Put another 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:52.320 log on the fire nobody hears. Get the time? All right? 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.600 Here we go Episode three of The Fire Drill. What 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.200 a week already. It feels like it's been a long week. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.280 And it's Wednesday. It always does that. Everyone gets so 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.040 wrapped up on Monday really for this or Sunday even so, 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.240 and the target stories ben a big one, so that's 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.640 kept everyone excited. That's like a press room is, um, 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.800 we can't wait to get to Augusta and I can't 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.560 wait to leave you know, He's like, it's a fun week, 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.600 but it's definitely a grind and that's part of the 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.760 fun though. All the off course things like tonight's the 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.240 Golf Writer's Dinner. There's various parties and gatherings all week 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.760 long for for media but also for players. I'm kind 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.440 of wondering, Jeff, like, do you have any fun stories 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.840 away from the golf course from your master's about just 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.720 things that happened around town or in the rental houses 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.720 or any I don't know about fun stories. But everyone 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.720 gets a house and you're all usually with your management 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.640 or somebody staying with a few people because the houses 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.440 are all pretty big and expensive, so you split it. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.080 But then you have parties at your house and people 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:50.880 are coming through to pick up tickets. It's a pretty 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:55.080 chaotic week. Actually, the master's to stay away from the fry. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.440 Really impossible to go out to dinner because if you 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.840 pock a tournament carried any of the restaurants, everybody sort 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.320 of to keep picking in and so he's eating in 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.480 there to not um. Yeah, it's an interesting town. You 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.640 just gotta it's you lay low, and I hope your 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.600 house isn't one of the really active ones, you know, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:13.040 because some of these houses are active all week. You 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.880 mentioned Tiger. I mean just obviously there's gonna be plenty 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.640 of time and everybody has spoken, but maybe just top 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.800 level thoughts obviously on the idea that Tiger is here 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.400 and Phil is not here. That's amazing. He wouldn't have 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.320 picked that ten months ago, would you at all? No 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.359 chance he would have got good aunts on that. Yeah, nuts, amazing. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.560 I mean, he's a he's a freak tiger. He keeps 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.440 coming back. He looks really good, he looks fine, done it. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.839 He looks you wouldn't even know really when you see 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.640 his swing, you can he seems to be walking fine, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.760 and he looks up in about He's been playing every day, 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.560 so I mean there would be a massive ass to 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.240 see him play really well. But like you wouldn't put 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.160 it past him to put a good round or two, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.160 you know. I mean, he's already won the Masters with 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.960 five different golf swings and five different bodies. Like it's 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.080 you just I thought, you know, when he was at 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.240 his Nadier like fifteen sixteen seventy, with the chippyps and 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.040 the surgeries and telling people he thought he was done. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.639 I mean, I said, if he comes back and wins 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.200 like a Bob Hope, it's going to be one of 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.000 the greatest achievements of his career. If you can even 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.239 get to that level, and not like that. Of course, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.799 he won the Masters, he was the best player in 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.040 the world at Royal Melbourne, maybe the best golf course 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.079 in the world. Like he climbed the ultimate mountain, and 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.320 it's incredible. He's gonna try and do it again. Like 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.840 just the determination and the will. And we were talking 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.840 yesterday about how hard is to organize your life at 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.280 this point when you have kids and you have all 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.680 these business interests and um that want and that that 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.480 that grind. That's what's amazing. I mean, if if he can, 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.440 if he can play like he can, he can be 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.800 a threat. Like he he'll find a way to get 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.600 the golf club at the back of the ball right 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.120 no matter what. Like he's just an all time golfing genius. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.120 So whatever his body will or will not let him do, like, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:54.920 he's gonna find a way to deliver the club. And 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.440 then you know, obviously competitive rust but who knows, it's amazing. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.040 It's he needs no, he doesn't need this, but he 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.480 gets so much out of the comeback thing. You know, 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.360 I can't do it in my back is bad. I 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:08.920 can't do it. I love the u s open, my 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.480 leg's broken. I've got to prove I need it. Obviously. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.360 He needs obstacles almost, you know, like in a way 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.440 he's not doing any on purpose, but he's better when 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:22.880 he's got obstacles almost. You know. He loves to debat 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.120 the challenge, you know, slay the dragon. He's done it 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:26.680 like three or four times. As she said, he keeps 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.480 coming back from these things that you can't come back from, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.839 and he just keeps coming back. It's not amazing, he 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.359 said it. I mean, and I think we all know it. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.840 But you don't get to eighty two and fifteen without 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.400 this undeniable urge to compete. He said, I'd love to 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.120 compete period. That could be that that is the tiger story, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.240 and that that's the only way you get to be 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:52.520 that far superior to your peers. Is robotic, sort of 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:57.320 void of human element aspect of part of what he 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.520 is as a as a person is just a founding 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.560 to this. To see what he's doing right now is 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.479 it's yet another point in which we're surprised not to 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.840 be surprised over the fact that he's doing something that 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.200 we should all be surprised at. I wonder how much 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.640 Charlie's a factor now like that desire to be able 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.400 to play with him, and you know, when it's Charli 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.760 Wood's gonna get his first sponsors invite like a Tiger 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.159 at his at sixteen, Charlie's probably ahead of where Tiger 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.920 was at thirteen. Like you know, I'm sure he's thinking 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.720 when if he's gonna play the LA Open in two 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.800 thousand six, I want to walk down the first Ferry 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.640 Rid with him, you know, Like I think that's something 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.039 that helps get him out of bed. Like Lebron James 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:37.560 is talking about you, he wants to play with Brawny 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.200 in the NBA, uh Tiger, competing with Charlie on the 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.280 PGA Tour is a lot more attainable and in certain 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.920 ways just the physicality of the game and all that. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.920 So I think that's helped him, you know, to get 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.120 him out of bed every day like that. I think 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.880 that fire is always going to be there, But if 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.520 you needed any more motivation, like now that that's on 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.640 the horizon, I could see that being something that pushes 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.600 him forward. I think he'd be bored unless he was 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.840 growning at golf. You know, it just seems to be 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.240 his thing. You know, it's said to be had a 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.400 sty wife for very long. He just loves it done. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.760 He loves He had a firepit on with Ken Gifford 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.200 Griffy Jr. On the idea that he and his dad 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.839 hit back to back home runs as Seattle Mariners. You 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:21.320 could see Tiger and Charlie doing something, you know of 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.640 that nature. You know, there's been a lot of father's 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.920 sons who have played professional golf. There's brother but I mean, 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.480 what what's what's the potential of Tiger and Charlie Woods 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.960 could be something? Really who knows a little more star 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.040 power other than Bill and Jay Hass or anyone else 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.440 you can name anyway, Yeah, and then they're probably they're 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.000 probably the best father's son duo right as far as achievements. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.279 So um, yeah, it's it's interesting to think about. We're 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.599 talking about, you know, multigeneration. So it's just what's Wednesay 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.400 afternoon here in Augusta. They just put a delay on 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.320 the Part three tournament because the weather we were watching 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.440 it before, so Jeff, I have to have to get 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.600 your take on how the part three's evolved from. You know, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.440 for me, when I came here in the mid nineties, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.520 it was awesome to watch because it was a really 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.760 spionny balls and you know, all the wedge Maestro was 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.160 like tom Kaite and you'd go out there and the 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.240 way the control they had over the golf ball was 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.000 just mesmerizing, and it was one of my favorite parts 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.880 of the week. And now you've got the wives and 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.920 the kids and the photo ops excuse me, the girlfriends, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.880 and um, it's lost a little bit of its appeal 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.040 for me. But of course I've never been out there 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:28.720 between the ropes with my kids, and I'm sure it's 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.560 a special thing. So what does your take on on 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.600 the part three? Uh, both sides actually unlocked. They all 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.360 when I first started applaying it was, I mean, girlfriends 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.920 about Caddy and parents and it's like the opportunities always 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.160 be an oportunity to get your friend and he's got 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.080 a ticket or somebody yet they're cadding for you. Um. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.720 But it was quiet and it was quicker, and it 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.160 was fun. It was massive, but that was pretty tell. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.840 I think that's that's Prairie television past three and post 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.760 I think and Pray to It was definitely different. I 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.880 mean it was really really cool, really loud. I mean 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.320 I was out there when like Jack, Gary and Armild 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:03.920 were playing like two a couple of groups in front 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.120 of them, and that was just experiences that are better 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.119 than almost on the course, you know, those three playing 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.320 in front of everyone. It was just nuts and one 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:11.760 of them had a holy one a few years ago 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.480 Jack maybe somewhere. It was just crazy, like it was unbelievable, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.360 and that's really special. But then there's the other side 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:20.880 of it. It has seemed to have got out of 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.200 since it's been put on TV, and it's a different 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.840 style of it now. Now it's more visual. So I 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.040 guess it's kind of cool that the kids are run 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:30.679 out there. They have such a good time, they're so happy, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.160 and when they get in all their little white their 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.600 little jumpsuits and stuff. I mean, it's different now, you know, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.959 I don't know, like it's part of the masters. It's 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.960 like slowly over the last thirty years showed us a 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.920 lot more. We used to get two hours on the weekend, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.360 maybe three hours, you get it back nine Now we 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.400 get the whole week, you get what is it, four 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.400 hours every day, maybe you get the whole coverage and 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.079 you get the Path three and you get the whole thing, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.679 and it's like you actually kind of get led into 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.920 the Masters on the broadcasting that which you never did before. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.680 So I don't know things evolved. I kind of like 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.800 the old just the just the players out there in 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.600 a sense of like trying kind of showing off on 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.280 a pat three course. But it's I don't know, it's 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.960 kind of fun there and the old guys play, like 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.000 as I said, when when Jack Garranol we're out there 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:15.920 and Watson and Crencher on that, I mean, the people, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.520 the respect and that the guest standing ovation for two hours. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.600 You know, it's pretty amazing, but it makes it tough 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.040 if you trying to win the golf tournament. You get 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.640 out there late and it's really slow. It can be 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.160 had a couple of years out. I didn't play it 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.760 because it just kind of did have a tedium do 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.720 it if you got up the back of the field 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.080 and it took three hours to play what the first 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:40.760 group plays in forty five minutes? You know? Um so yeah, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.920 but it's an amazing thing. It's nuts. Anyone who hasn't. Actually, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.760 if you come to the Master's Wednesday maybe one of 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.320 the better days because you get a good spot on that. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.440 It's pretty good to watching it. I mean it is 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.440 like atmosphere is crazy. Yeah, I mean the people are 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.800 actually almost sitting on the green. Like the intimacy of 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.839 it is pretty incredible but scary. There's a couple of 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.840 holes there where we're hitting like full nine ones and 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.760 they're sitting there about three yards on the side from 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.720 the pin and they're sitting there like and I can't 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.120 move because it's deep. So they're both coming at them 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.600 and just hits them. But that they haven't the best 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.000 time in their live because they're on the edge of 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.080 the green. So yeah, and you're when you're putting and 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.400 you're writing your pots that you're almost touching them when 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.640 you're scoring them and they have wrought there. That's nuts, 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.280 I Laird Shepherd. Just as an update as subject of 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.240 our podcast number two of the Fire Drill, Laird Shepherd 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.400 got to play a practice round or played at least 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.360 nine holes with Rory McRoy and Harry Higgs today, which 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.720 apparently was very engaging and probably super beneficial for Laird, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.559 but I loved the point that you made to him, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.280 which is, don't sleep on the part three as an 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:46.080 opportunity to utilize those greens, green complexes to hit pots 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.800 that you might you know. My seeing out there this week, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.280 I thought that was that was inside almost made me 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.040 look at the part three a little different. I just 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.120 love it as a fairly new dad seeing you know, 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.600 sort of seeing the interaction between the kids thinking about 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.040 being a kid, you know, the drive chip and put. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.880 Obviously I have mixed emotions on that whole concept, but 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.120 I think if you really, you know, have kids seeing 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.640 other kids in that situation with their parents, I mean, 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.760 you can't help but appreciate that whole scene for what 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:18.960 it is. And at the end of the day, no 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.520 one really actually wants to win because of the the 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.920 jinks of being able to win it, so it's become 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.840 just this hit and giggle and fun exhibition. So it 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.720 is what it is, and it's a nice little pressure 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:33.959 release prior to what is for you know, potentially for 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.800 pretty tight days. So it's kind of nice to see 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.920 these guys out there smiling and laughing and enjoying the 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.080 good stuff. If you got invited to play in the 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.760 Masters next year for whatever reason. And you're in the 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.719 part three and you were tied the lead in the 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.120 last hole and you had an eight footer for Bertie 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.240 just have to win some crystal, win the whole thing. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.080 Would you would you make it? Or would you would 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.520 you three? Put no. I usually never got to the 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.560 non because if I was ever doing well, I just 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.640 hit it out of the back on the I the water. Okay, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.040 So that answers the question about I was just stupid 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.599 because it would be fun to win, right and what 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.000 a basic crystal to have on your show, and like 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.480 someone's gonna do it one day. So you did buy 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.240 into the whole Jinx thing for a while. A little bit, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.720 A little bit, that's the Masters. He got a little bit. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:18.120 He hit it over the green men a tempt fight. Yeah. Interesting. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.719 So yeah, talking, So you know, Laird had to work 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.880 really hard to get that practice around with Rory. I'm 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.040 just curious, like, what was the best practice around pairing 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.120 you ever talked your way into out here? Um? I 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:30.800 don't know. I had a few, like non halls are 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.160 Tommy Aaron once, which was pretty fun. Um that's how 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.760 you know that, Like he's a real golf purist. If 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:43.520 Tommy Aaron is like, um, grand show up and I 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.800 think I played a few holes Freddy. I loved playing 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.559 with Freddy around here. I applaied a bunch of practic 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:53.880 friends with Freddie and like Scottie, Um, yeah, Tommy Iron 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.960 is a memorable one. I don't know because I didn't. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.080 I've never played with him before. Like he was from 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.760 a past general and you know, was he telling stories? 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.760 Was he chatty? What was that? He was great? We 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.520 chatted all the way around. I can't remember for the 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.960 life of maybe what we talked about, but it was interesting. Yeah, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.640 a link to you know, since she, you know, played 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.520 played with Bobby, Like what a cool thing to have 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.680 as a connection point to someone who played with the guy, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.920 you know. I mean, this week is just nuts because 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.040 it's like the who's who have golf who are still 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.480 alive are all in that building sometimes you know, or 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.680 up at the clubhouse, or they're playing in the tournament. Still, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.720 Like it's crazy, Like if you've got the inside ticket 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.720 at the Masters and you get in there, it's it's outrageous. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.280 Who's here and everybody's here, almost everybody who's ever played 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.480 golf at an unbelievable level who's still alive somehow seems 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:41.920 to be at the Masters every and it's just cool 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.959 to be around those sort of people, you know. Yeah, 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.280 I mean Crenshaw told me that for the Tuesday night 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.120 dinner that he's now the host the m c of 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.880 he always gets the old timers talking about their their 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.640 great moments at this tournament, so as a way to 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.920 have that history passed down. So Doug Ford tell us 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.280 about that Birdie man the last hole, and you know, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.760 by now the Tiger and Phil have heard that story 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.720 a lot of times, but you know, Dustin and Hideki 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.280 they may have never heard it. So it's kind of 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.280 a cool way, Like it's like this oral history of 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.640 the Masters and from from the people who lived it, 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.120 which I think is pretty amazing. Oh yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.679 it's just just when you have a golf tournament at 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.560 the same place, especially a place that's so like this 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.800 one is non too years or something, you get stories. Right. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.200 When you move it around all the time, you don't 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.680 get the stories. But when you're at the same place 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.800 for so long, it's pretty cool. For me. You know, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.160 my first Masters was the ninety seven Masters. I showed 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.920 up as a photo editor for Sports Illustrated. I got 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.600 my dad and my uncle in as photo assistance back 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.600 when you could you could actually add a little leeway 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.000 with the badges, and neither one of them could carry 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.440 a camera obviously those are like cameras, But so we 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.440 had to then hire other people as photo assistants. But 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.720 they got an opportunity to to be here and see 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.880 the grounds. And I think of first impressions and how 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.640 blown away are by the visuals here right when walk through. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.440 If if this doesn't if you're if you're a if 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.640 the game means something to you, if this doesn't hit 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.200 you in the heart and the soul, then you might 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.600 not have a pulse. But um and I did things 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.200 like higher photographs to shoot out of airplanes over the 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:20.040 nine eight Masters and Marc Omyre's win in which you know, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.800 I think got me in some hot water. But we 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.440 ran it as a full spread image in Sports Illustrated 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.440 that week with long shadows and no, you're not doing 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.640 the story justice. So like you could actually hear this 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:35.400 airplane on the telecast. It was buzzing so low over augustin. Yeah, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.600 but like you sneaking in the Butler cabin as ascribe 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.480 our jobs, and especially at Sports Illustrated, where you know, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.680 we're talking about top gun of of journalism and relevancy 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.680 at the time in the nineties, the mandate from my 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.000 boss was to get photographers in places that you know, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.480 in theory, they're not supposed to be get angles that 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.280 nobody else has. So we had a guy named Jim 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.120 Gunn who we would hire on a regular basis to 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:05.600 shoot sporting events from the open door of an airplane 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.760 with a high wing so they could he could strap 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.000 in and shoot out the plane. And this is before 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:16.320 drones exist. This is a human drone. Yeah, so and 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.920 the idea was all right, well for the last hour 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:20.880 and a half. As so they go through sort of 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:26.320 the second nine will say, uh, you know, shoot the 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.440 hell out of the action. Meanwhile, we had four or 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.840 five guys down on the ground leap frogging each other 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.560 trying to cover the tournament because they don't get inside 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.120 the ropes. This is actually harder to cover than every 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:41.240 other tournament as a as a photographer. And uh so 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.920 we called him air Gundo goes up and you know, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.680 I'm back now I've left SI on Saturday with the 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.880 bags of film because it was still film film back then, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.400 dropped him up the time, inc building for for for processing, 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.200 editing days worth of film on a Sunday morning, leaning 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.000 into the you know, get to the final final nine 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.320 of the Masters and here come the broadcast on here 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.159 and all all you can hear in the you know, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:13.240 over the broadcast Jim Nance's I was like, oh my god, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.240 that's are playing. Oh my god, we're disrupting the whole 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.120 broadcast of the Masters and they you know, at that time, 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.119 I couldn't even I couldn't even send him a text. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.800 It was it was the page or days where you'd 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.040 have to page and then hopefully they'd call you back, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.520 you know, and I couldn't. It was we're at the 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.200 mercy of the the the sound at that point anyway, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:40.880 O'Mara makes the pot. You know, everybody go crazy. Beautiful 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.560 incredible image. Got a call from Glenn Greenspan at Augusta, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.600 you know, that week as the magazine came out. It 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.200 was like, is that your guys is playing up there 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:56.040 on eighteen Uh? Yes, it was beautiful image, amazing, you know, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.800 would love some copies of that for the clubhouse. And 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.240 the office is here as many as you can send 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:05.200 sixteen by twenty. Great, great on it, Glenn, no problem, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.160 And if you ever do something like that again, we'll 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.400 pull your badge for life, you know that second second time, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.960 I've got that call from Glenn Green's man by the way, 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.960 and uh and after that, they essentially closed the airspace 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.040 over Augusta, Nashually there's I tried. I've tried to hire 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.040 planes since over you know, from different airports, anything in 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.120 any way to try to get a up angle. And yeah, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.159 it's not happening anymore. So that was the last of 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.480 its kind. But that you know, having you know, you 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.440 you're talking about having friends on your bag at Part 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.119 three's or or getting you know, being able to have 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.879 opportunities to get relatives and getting you know, my dad's 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.120 and uncles in the in the tournament, getting being able 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.080 to see film make that put In two thousand and 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.280 four and watch people cry as he wins the Masters 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.840 or obviously Tigers, you know forty thirty. I mean, do 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:57.520 you have sort of special moments or memories of certain things, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.760 obviously birding five in a row. I mean, I don't 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.280 know all of it really. First time, something like you 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.320 said The best thing is how excited all your friends 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.960 are when you get your first invite, right because they're 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.679 all lining up for get the tickets. How many tickets 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.320 you get? You get eight, and I think you can 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.520 buy you can pay sticker price for the for more. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.960 I think, I think it's the deal. So you get 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.520 eight sort of for the whole week, plus your family 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.960 or your wife, kids and stuff, so you get it's 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.600 quite generous, but it's the same for everybody, and everybody 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.760 gets the same because everybody gets the max that they 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.840 can get. Usually. Yeah, that's parents first obviously in siblings, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.720 and then friends and then every year because they're not 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.880 everyone comes every year. You could have if you play 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.240 for a while, it's good. You get to share it 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:42.199 amongst your friends. It's good. Yeah, yeah, I wrote my 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.159 mom and my dad they're so happy. They have the 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.560 best week. It's just incredible how happy people are when 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.040 they come to the Master's for the first time. In 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.280 it you said every year, it's like just like it's 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.359 like kids at disney Land, grown ups. It's amazing. I 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.240 have a funny story. So my mom came in ninety seven, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.080 which is obviously a momentous year, and I had that 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.119 like nineties. In the fall of nineties, I was actually 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.240 covering college football. Put me on the college football be 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:06.920 for s I. So I had not seen Tiger Wood 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.399 take a golf shot in person until the ninety seven 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.679 Masters and first round. I can't remember what we were doing. 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.920 We got there lates. We ran down to the back 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.560 nine and he was in the middle of that rally 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.000 on fourteen. He clipped a tree with his drive and 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.879 so he's way back. He's sent a firn in and 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.720 I was on that hill above, and the sound of 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.720 the strike and just the trajectory and the grace of 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.000 the fall. It was the first time I ever saw 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.560 swinging club and it's like burned in my brain. And 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.560 so then we you know, of course he birdies that one, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.639 and he hits his drive down the right side of 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.520 fifteen and back then there's those big mounds and you 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.680 could to slingshot off those mounds, and um, so we 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:42.760 ran down the right side, and of course he spins 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.040 that wedge in close makes eagle. You know my mom 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.520 was she was she would have fitted in the silent. 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.920 She was pretty sneaky. So somehow she had smuggled a 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.159 camera in her purse onto the grounds. You know that 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.199 security was not as as uptight in the nineties is 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.320 now he know, no metal detectors whatever, and so and 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.040 everyone runs down the green to watch Tiger putt. And 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.639 so I have a picture of my mom pointing at 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.800 Tigers div it and I just found that picture a 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:09.760 few weeks ago. I was going through some old albums 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.360 and this is a classic. Like we were right there, 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.040 and you know, that was the whole the whole history 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:16.880 of golf. Flip on that back nine, you know when 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.760 he won and and just kept going and one that thing. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.680 But don't as a momentous as that week was for 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.480 for Tiger and for the game. Like my strongest memory 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.879 is is this goofy picture of my mom pointing at 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.399 the divt and uh so, yeah, there's there's a personal 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.879 element to all these things that more than anywhere else 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:35.840 because no one ever asked. You know, in our world 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:37.960 they might but if it's if you know, it's a 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:39.399 pebble beach, I'll have people ask me to go to 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.760 the US Open because but no one said, hey, I 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.120 want to open at Oakmont or Marion or whatever. It's 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.080 just not on the radar screen. The way the Masters is, 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.720 it's just something different about this place. Toodnight before Christmas. 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.600 Right now, it's start on the subject of photos. One 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.160 last one, but two thousand one of my last Masters 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.879 I covered for Sports Illustrated as the photo editor. We 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:03.439 had just coordinated efforts with UM Golf magazine. We were 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:07.000 actually sharing some sort of Sports Illustrating Golf Magazine had 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.920 kind of come together for a concerted effort of photo 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.119 you know, photo synchronicity in terms of as a photo 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.679 and I had now access to guys like Fred Botch, 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.480 so we would send the typical Sports Illustrated photographers, the 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.520 best of the best, plus Fred Us who came in 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:30.760 with this really amazing team like mentality, humble attitude, incredible talent. 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.959 And it was come Sunday that final round two thousand 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:39.040 one and Tiger and Phil actually we're paired together that 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:43.280 that round and Tiger was winning by I mean, he 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.159 had a comfortable lead, I believe at the time, you know, 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.240 coming up that the last few holes and it was 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.080 all about, you know, again leap frogging photographers. And it 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.080 came down to if you have five guys, one guy's 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:56.800 at the tea, one guy's at the green. The next 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.280 guys at the tea and next guy has green. We 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.359 have a leap frog system in place, but we had 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.200 this fifth photographer, Fred Botch's access and was like, what 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.680 are you going to do differently on Sunday during the 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.640 final and everyone wants to run up and be near 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.040 the green so you can surround that green and get 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.120 the shot of the react, the pod or the thing. 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:19.920 Fred Voish we talked about hanging back and he said, 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.639 what if I go medium format silent shutter in the 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:27.000 photo tower behind the tea to try to get something 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.800 a little different of Tiger. I think he practiced it 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.520 on Saturday. It looked amazing. If you get the timing 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:37.199 just right, could be an incredible image. Again, willingness to 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.560 not go up to the green, stay back because if 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.040 you're back at that tea in that booth, you're not 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.960 getting up to the green. And Fred, which volunteered to 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.040 go back, shot medium format. I get the role of 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.919 film and sports those after it gets process timing, building 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:52.680 comes down to the light table. I roll it out. 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.480 There's two frames on the whole on the whole roll 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:59.000 of film. One is Michelson right at the top of 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.280 his backs being time to perfectly, which is not easy 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.959 to do. And then Tiger top of his back swing 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.360 in a perfect sort of as I recall, shaded area 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:11.000 where the light is sort of shining in on the 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.240 ball on the t Tiger perfect top of his back swing, 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.760 down that shoot from behind. And you know, this was 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:22.280 the quote masterpiece cover for Sports Illustrated on the way Out, 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:26.520 and they used that one frame Fred bois being selfless. 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.320 There was no react to the green tissue and that's 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.040 you know, teams were like in the dream and the 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.480 credit to which is attitude and energy. And that was 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.000 the and that was my last Masters I covered for 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.000 s I and then I went to digest and go 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.000 for a book. In the lobby of the Sports Ulsted 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.480 building in Manhattan, they had that blown up. It was 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:47.040 about ten ft wide and the detail was just it's 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.600 the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I wanted to 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.320 steal that's so bad, but I couldn't have too heavy. Well, 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.080 the masterpiece worked on I've got one up in my office. 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.000 The masterpiece work worked on both levels, not only as 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.480 tigers performance but the image itself. It's a it's pretty 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.640 cool this, I mean, this is it's so funny that 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.119 that you're as like we all span Like when I 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.879 was an intern at Sportshill Straight the Olympics was at 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.840 Lilla Hammer in Norway. There was there were no flights, 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.760 and the magazine hired a large it to fly to 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.880 and from Little Hammer in New York just to bring 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.239 back bags of film because that was the only way 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:21.240 to get in the magazine. Really, I mean people would 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.760 jump on the flight too, but the whole reason was 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:25.920 just to get the film because things would happen on 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:27.840 the weekend and they have to go in the magazine, 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.520 and the literally the only way to do it. We're running. 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:34.080 I I served as a photo editor slash film runner 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:38.040 on countless occasions, including the involved around the Ryder Cut, 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.080 in which I had to carry the film back from Spain. 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.399 Slept through my flight, you know, like I mean, you 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.600 know the stories are and the back of the day 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.840 it was just light. The idea of light tables and 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.840 running film is just you know where is opposed to 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.359 just you know, sending a digital image now is just 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.439 like a drug mule. Yeah, yeah, that's stressful if you 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.880 lose that film minus the things in awkward places, But yes, 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:05.520 drug mell yeah, exactly, more more memories, Jeff, what do 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.000 you got? Well, I'm wondering about this, like all the 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.120 build up you get here, whatever, Sunday, money, Tuesday, Wednesday, 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.439 you said the night before Christmas? Like, how how do 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.760 you go to sleep on Wednesday night before the Masters 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:18.880 when you're in the field and you know, if your 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:23.760 first one or maybe you're a favorite, or like, how 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.520 did you do that? I don't know. Sometimes you probably didn't. 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.320 Sometimes it was fine, and I don't know. First time, 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.960 I'm sure I was pretty nervous and probably didn't sleep 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:33.480 very well. But then you get used to it, and 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.960 you can remember we do this every week, Like I know, 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.080 the Masters, it's not the only tournament we play all year. 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:41.200 It's the eightieth tournament we've played in the last three years, 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.199 you know, Like so we used to sleeping in a 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.920 new bed, going to bed on some sort of knowing 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:48.639 that golf is happening tomorrow, and then the other may 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.040 just keep you up a little bit. I mean the 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.920 first time, I think I was probably pretty rough, but 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:53.119 up for a while, I think, and you get so 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.199 tired as a tiring week because you just want to 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.119 be out there, especially when you're first coming here, you 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:58.919 want to be out there all day Monday, all day Tuesday, 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.600 all day Wednesday. Um, I don't know, you just work 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:04.920 it out your glasses later in the career a class 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:09.080 of red or a couple of years, mate. But no, never, 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.919 it wasn't never a big problem because it's like what 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.480 we do, you know. I mean it's a it's a 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.280 bigger version and a better version of what we do, 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.040 but it's still what we do, you know. So I 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.400 think every now and then it's hard, Like the lead 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:21.960 having a lead here would be a hard one to 0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.000 sleep on. Leads are hard to sleep on anywhere, but 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.240 here would because it would be especially hard course to 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.560 go out with a lead on, because such crazy stuff 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:31.720 can happen, right, And the two times at two forty 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.080 like yeah to Sprutal and all you want to do. 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:36.920 You can sleep till ten whenever you want, when you're that, 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:38.920 when you're young. But all of a sudden you wake 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.080 up at seven that day for some annoying reason. You 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.159 play having heard what you said about Greg Norman and 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:49.080 how the whole country sort of wait was waiting for 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.920 him to win one what what was? What was your 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:57.080 memories and reflections on on his on his collapse. Ninety 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:58.959 six is s brutal. Yeah, I mean because we've had 0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.359 eighty seven. He got hold out on Larry Myers chipped 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.639 in and that was the very major after Bob had 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:05.160 to hold out on him from the bunk. The two 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.080 majors in a row, someone would hold out on him 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:12.000 to like walk off beat him, you know. So, I 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.679 mean we were just all about that. And then he 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:16.480 was in it every year, it seemed like, and then 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:17.960 he kind of hadn't been there I don't think for 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.040 a couple of years. And then ninety sixty three in 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:23.639 the first round. I think he was leaving a whole week. Um, 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:25.919 I think he shod sixty three in the first round. Anyway, 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.200 it's what six in front, and it was Fouldo made 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.200 that big part on seventeen on Saturday, and it was 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:31.960 kind of this, I'm going to sign because those two 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.359 Voudo would kind of had his number a little bit. 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.920 When they head to head it over like tournament wins 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:39.720 and stuff. Norman beat him all the time, but when 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.640 they actually head to head it Fouldo had looked hard 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.560 for Norman to work out, and yeah, we turned it on. 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:48.440 That was back in the days when the footage came 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.600 came on, the telecast came on, and he was playing 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:53.720 the ninth. He used to see the second shot of eight, 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:55.920 remember that period, second shot to eight, and then the 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.440 music would come and nance would get on his thing 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:00.640 and then you'd start watching nine, right, and that was 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:02.800 when you started, and we started, and Ventur he was 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.480 just saying, don't hit it. He could do anything he 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:05.960 wants to hear, but don't hit it short on nine. 0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:07.840 Don't hit it short or nine, don't and he spins 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.520 it off the front or nine, and right then it's like, 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.440 this is not going to go really well. I don't know. 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.239 I just felt from there it felt scary, you know, 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.400 for an Australian Norman fan. And then it was pretty 0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:21.960 hard to watch PTSD, like literally did that like that that? 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.160 But I mean that that mattered. I mean that was yeah, 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.160 it was hard to watch. And then I don't know, um, 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.000 I practiced hard of that day. I went straight to 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.880 the golf course and practiced all day. And I know 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:34.560 if I got a plenty of friends who did the same, 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.200 because they were just like, I don't know, That's all 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:40.240 I could think to do was to just go practice. 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:41.800 It was a sad day in Australia though, and I'm 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.400 sure that there would have been one of those microeconomic 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:48.240 downturns that day, because everyone would have liked that struggled 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.280 to get to work or been down and flat at work. 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.320 Like it was a dark day for Australia for sure, 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.520 because it would have It would have been a Monday 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.520 Monday morning. Yeah, yeah, because we watch it. Yeah, we 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.880 watch it and everyone's late to work on Monday. Oh, 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.480 light to the one. I'd like to school because you'd 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:06.320 get in too much trouble, but like you would, uh yeah, 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.640 everyone's light. It finishes about nine o'clock in the morning 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.320 and everyone scoots into walk at work and talks about 0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:11.840 the Masters. I guess on Monday. You know, it was 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.840 always like great Greg, Greg, can he win in this ship? 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:15.720 And he went this year? And yeah, it was pretty sad. 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.840 I was walking around out there and it was still 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.520 the eeriest feeling on a golf course because just a 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:26.880 slow unraveling and they got down to Amen corner and 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.000 he just didn't No one knew how to react. And 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.480 there's there's a few shots are burning in my brain. 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.720 One of them is foulto on thirteen that second shot, 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:36.400 because I was right by the ropes and I had 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.400 just that quintessential view through the trees and the golden 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:43.200 sun and just sort of the daffled light, and he 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.280 smashed that two iron, and you know, Gregg had driven 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:46.680 up into the pines for I had to lay up, 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.320 and so now Fault that was hitting and he puts 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.280 in the creek like Norman's back in it, but he 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:56.520 just hit this absolute laser and again the sound of 0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:00.120 that one I remember that was like, guy, this is it. 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.880 I mean, this guy's not going to go backwards. And 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:09.280 um yeah. I bumped into to David Ledbetter out there 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.560 and it was just this it felt like almost like 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.920 this funeral is too strong a word, but it was 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:21.400 really extreme heaviness in the Dogwoods and never been in 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.040 a tournament like that. I mean usually maybe it's also 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.280 because you know fall It was a great champion, but 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.880 he was kind of a prickly character. So you know, 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:31.800 if if he would if it was Fred who was 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.040 going to beat Norman, the people still be really excited 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.520 because it was Fred, whereas Fault that they didn't know 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:39.160 how to feel. And god, it was that was that 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.400 was the weirdest Sunday ever I think around here that 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.520 I've experienced. He was on a label about that when 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.320 he felt there the last round might just he was 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.080 as good as we have a soul dove Taga crazy. 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.360 I think that was transition to because that was pretty 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:57.000 Tagataga was obviously that was probably the second one, third one, Yes, Amateure, yeah, yeah, 0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.800 and then everything Giants. It was kind of the end 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:04.160 of Fellow Norman to really want to and they had 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.000 a few good stuff after that, but Taga turned up 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:07.600 after that and that was all anyone so off for 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.840 the next twenty years, you know, and they were number 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.840 one and two for so long. Yeah. I ended a 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:18.600 lot of media media nights at the Media Center shoulder 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.160 to shoulder with Tim rose Afford and goes Worth mentioning 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:24.360 you know that I was watching live from can't help 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:28.680 but miss tim rose Afford's reporting in presence. He's just 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:33.160 been such a mainstay and and a rock to all 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:37.280 all of golf reporting and storytelling, but especially at a 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.680 place like the Masters. Do you have any did you 0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.360 have any reflections or thoughts on Tim Rosefort Did you 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:46.240 have any run ins or or or experiences with Tim, 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:51.280 lots of experiences I mean, non memorable, just because I 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.200 saw him every week for years. You know, it was 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.520 just the guy you could say anything you wanted to 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.160 and you would never you knew he was safe. You know, 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.280 there some out there that you know are safe to 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.040 be open with. You know, they'll only print what's fair 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.120 and the something that you don't, and he was one 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.680 of that. He was fantastic, was wise, interested more in 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.320 the deepest story, not that just he played well today, 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.400 you know, it was always after that, the interesting stuff. 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.920 He was good, great team, very respected. The players loved him. 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.480 I think he loved really to be respected and be 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:29.160 loved by both sides well and not only these readers, 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:33.240 but but the players end his peers. It's pretty hard 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.200 to do, I mean, because you've got to write some 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.000 strong opinions every now and then and it's going to 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.280 annoy people. But he just did it in a way 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.880 that was professional and classy. You know, you can't remember 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.960 people's names, you know, you paid attention. You know, he 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.800 was good. Yeah, So it's sad. It's really sad because 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:57.120 it's a there is there is important to the tournament, 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.560 like the great journalists are is important to these tournaments 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:01.920 as the golf is wrong. So that's how everyone always 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:03.440 used to write about him, and that's how we hear 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:06.600 about it all the stuff. So that's always been my 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:10.200 feeling anyway, Alan, I mean they talk about you know 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:14.520 that this one, especially your shoulder, shoulder, all in the media. 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:18.520 Everybody's scrambling. It's harder to cover this to this tournament 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:22.760 more than any And yet I've also you know, Trunky 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.960 the great the great stories of Rosaford and always reporting. 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.720 But you know, you get lauded for your your reporting 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.879 and being able to get where other people don't get. 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:34.080 What's your what's your what? What was your strategy to 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.399 this week? And what continues to be your strategies weaken 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:38.520 in an effort to try to get something that nobody 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.960 else has. Yeah, it gets harder and harder. Um, But 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.160 as far as far as Rosie goes, I can remember 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.480 being a lot of Augusta press rooms and starts getting lonely. 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.840 At ten o'clock, people start filing out. You get to eleven, 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.800 it gets gets thin. You get to midnight, there's about 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.080 ten left. I mean, me and Rosie were sometimes the 0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.399 last you guys in there, and um, you just had 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.279 that gry and you know, and that that was part 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.200 of the fun. I think he always wanted me to 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.560 leave first. It's like it's like, I'm gonna wait this 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.680 guy out. And that was just part of his his 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.600 you know, that fullback personality that we've talked about a lot. 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:14.440 But um, you know, and it's worth mentioning to especially 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.200 this week, like, uh, it's very generous. We just say that, 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.720 you know, the reporters are as important as the players 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:22.560 in the history of Augusta National. I mean, that's true. 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:24.440 Like grantland Rice is a big reason why August and 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.080 Nashally even got formed and in the thirties because he 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.640 was he was this great honk for the tournament and 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.279 the club and he was an original member and he 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.200 helped recruit people. And then you have you know, Herbert 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:37.680 Warren Win is one who came up with the term 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:41.320 Amen corner, and Dan Jenkins, you know, coined the phrase 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.320 doesn't matter doesn't begin to the back night on Sunday, 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.920 Like the legend of of the Masters, the reporters have 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.520 been really important, so more than any other tournament, which 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:53.080 is just kind of interesting. At the same time, you know, 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.120 they they don't really like the reporters out much anymore, 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.400 as as August has embraced making their own content and 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.120 the stuff they put out as beautiful, like they've further 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.480 marginalized the rest of the press because they would rather 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.040 have even going to Masters dot com. And so it's 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.640 they've they've restricted more and more where we can go, 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.200 how we can talk to people. It's accelerated oer COVID. 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.880 So it's a challenge. You know, I could probably get 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.080 back into bother cabin, but at this point I probably shouldn't, 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.040 you know, So Unfortunately, like I've closed off a few 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.759 avenues for myself. Um. But the one good thing is, 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:27.960 as you're talking about Jeff, like, everyone has a lot 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:29.600 of family and friends here. So if you go out 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.160 and walk and you follow people, you can find the 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:36.000 college buddies and the girlfriend and the parents. And there's 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:37.400 a lot of reporting that can be done outside the 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:39.560 ropes where many other tournaments they're not there at all, 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:43.080 and so there's still that opportunity. And in a big crowd, 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:44.839 it's not necessarily easy to find them, especially if it's 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.080 a young up and comer, but you can usually tell, 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.880 especially girlfriends stand out right like there's there's a type 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:54.040 um and uh so that's kind of a fun challenge, 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:55.960 is just picking out the faces in the crowd. And 0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:00.279 there is you know that a lot of turn mints. 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:02.359 The players are kind of under siege after their round 0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:04.320 and they're they're trying to get away from the fans, 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.480 but because of the no autograph policy here, there's a 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.279 lot more lingering. And so after the players signed their car, 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.000 they'll often stand in the tree with their family and 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:13.920 that's how you can pick people out and um and 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:15.480 then maybe the next day you can find them on 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.839 the course, or it used to be when they're waiting 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.359 for their cars in front of the clubhouse, you could 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:21.560 you could chat people up on the veranda there. But 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.279 you know, I got busted for that now because Billy 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.640 Paine doesn't he doesn't want reporters on that side of 0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:28.200 the clubhouse any marks. We were not allowed to go 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.560 to the front and did a million interviews in that 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.839 parking lot um over the years, but we can't go 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.880 over there anymore. So lots of little some of the 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:41.040 institutional knowledge has been forfeited because they are they're always 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.960 changing the rules and not for the better. But if 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.600 you hustle, and then you have instincts you can you 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.719 can still you can still get your work done, but 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.560 it's definitely harder than it used to be. So you'll 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.120 be craping around in the crowd looking for girlfriends and yeah, 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:57.719 somebody's gotta do it job and um, well, I mean 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.640 this week not as much because they have other people, 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.120 but like for twenty years, I've got out there and 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.320 walk and usually the girlfriends are the wives are by themselves, 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:06.880 are actually happy. I want to talk to you, like 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.360 you get a lot of reporting done that way, and 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.000 you go into your your deep like your so fun 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:19.800 message voice. Hello, Well, you know what's really funny? He 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.200 just jogged in memory. So I was sitting next to 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:24.080 Roosaford in the press room and it was it Augusta 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:25.880 I'll never forget. And he was working the phones on 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.960 some story. I was a kind of minor consequence. It 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.359 wasn't a big deal, but you're making phone call after 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:35.600 phone call, and you and it's kind of like making 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.040 you know, It's like it's like when you scrambling eggs. 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:38.560 You're always working around the edges and then you kind 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.320 of get to the middle. Like he's always he was 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:42.200 getting more and more information than he would go to 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.200 the next person said, well, so this guy told me this, 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.160 but I want to fact check it and like, and 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:47.719 he was just just going through the whole process and 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.120 it was fun. It was fun to listen to. I was. 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.200 I feel like that was nineties. I think that was 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.560 nineties or seven. It's one of my first masters. And 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.319 and then when he's when he's done, he's like, he's 0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.520 turned because he was aware. You know, I wasn't like 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:01.680 a staring on, but I was clearly kind of tuned 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.600 into it. And he says to me, you know, it's 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.319 kind of like picking up a woman, you other, there's 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.279 some seduction there and you gotta share a little bit. 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.600 And ye I'm like, wow, that's Steve. You know. Thanks 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.439 to him, I was like, you telling Lair don't sleep 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.759 on the path through. Yeah, I was like, God, I 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.160 thought it was just basically exchanging of data, but no, 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.000 there's a whole other human element to it that and 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.799 Rose Fork passed it on. Yeah, I know. I think 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:27.920 he made some allusion to some old Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:32.959 cheerleader that you dated, just to finish the annecdote. But yeah, 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.879 good for Rosie. What prognostication doesn't seem like it's it's 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.680 your favorite thing in terms of picking winners. But do 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:42.520 you have do you have someone that you have your 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.280 eye on or you don't bet on golf? You don't, 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.120 you know, you're not You're not one of these guys. 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.640 If I would, I think dust would be hard to 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.440 sleep on Dustin. I think, I mean he's just he's 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.319 under the right as he's ever been. I mean remember 0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:58.759 a few yars ago he was on one when he 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:00.320 was falling over in the garage on on all the 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:02.719 stairs and it was like the novel. He was the 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.560 story of the week. Yeah, he's not that. There's like 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.840 stories all over the top of him this week, especially 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.680 with Tiger so and he played unbelievable at the match play. 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.719 He's perfect for this course, especially if it plays long. 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:16.239 He would be hard to beat if he if he 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.399 plays well, if he really hard debate, I think, yeah, 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:23.880 I took Dustin days ago with with with Las on 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.920 his podcast. But yeah, I mean it's gonna it's it's 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.400 been raining today. I mean the fairies are going to 0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.799 be soft. I mean it's gonna, as we talked about 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.759 with suba of the greens, can they confirm them up 0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.879 to a large degree. But soft fairways, I mean it's 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.760 it's going to be a long golf course. So that's 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:43.399 a tough combo, right, soft fairways and hard greens. Yeah, 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.480 I mean, look, they're all pretty long. But Dustin does 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.160 it easy, don'ty, And it's he's just extra long, you know. 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.160 And he's one here that's a fifteenth club this week. 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.400 If you've already got a green jacket, maybe even a 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.640 sixteenth club, like it's you can't be. They just always 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:57.600 carry an air of and they're not as nervous. They 0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.560 don't they've already done it. They are in the Champions 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.600 dinner forever, right, So they're just putting cream on top 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.919 the other guys like Rory, I mean he's carrying way 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.879 more than Dustin come down the stretch, right, So Kim 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.080 Smith when the players and I mean the guy is this. 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.880 Is this as solid as it gets right now? Is 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.600 that possible? Yeah? Absolutely, it'd be hard to see him 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:22.279 liked to argue against him. I mean, unbelievable in it 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.120 was it capital with this year, unbelievable a soul grass 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.359 like unbelievable s grass. So yeah, I mean, anyone who 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.680 puts that good would be great to same win Australia 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.200 will be like riding him in Leash Scotty pretty hard. 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.319 I would have thought pays good here. Yeah, Leash don't 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:40.200 sleep unleash Um. He's it's whatever. Regardless of his form, 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:41.880 when he gets the big tournaments, he usually sort of 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.319 shows up, don't he And he's got a good game here. 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:45.719 He loves it. He's been up there a few times, 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.280 so he knows what to expect. I like Luke List 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.839 and Lucas Glover is a couple of little sleepers, guys 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:55.799 who are wells List. I mean he's pounds it like 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.640 he's with stats lately. But he's definitely one of the 0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.200 best drivers out here. So that makes him dangerous, especially 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:07.080 this week. Any other guys out No, I mean I 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.239 haven't been picking j T. That's like seems like consensus pick. 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.840 But I don't know. He's he seems to jump you 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.680 out there, like that triple bow he made on on 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.240 thirteen last year, you know, from the middle of Fairway, 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.359 like there's I think you know. Johnny Miller talked about 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.800 this a lot, how Augusta just gets in guy's heads. 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:28.480 He was one of them. Obviously, Greg was another Ernie Trevino. 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.839 I mean, Rory, you take that those are those are 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.280 five of the best, you know, twenty golfers ever probably 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:37.080 and they don't have a single jacket between them. White's cough. 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:40.919 I mean, some guys just wanted too much. And there 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.600 there is a mental aspect here that seems like it's 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:47.760 different than anywhere else. And so um so he hasn't 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.400 has heartbroken here like Rory has quite as much. But 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:53.120 I don't know, I just feel he's already fallen into 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:55.719 that category. So he's got that mean, he's got the game. 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:57.799 He can win anywhere, anytime. But I don't see that 0:42:58.280 --> 0:42:59.759 it's easier for me to talk to myself out of 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.959 pick than it is to make one. He's got bones now, 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:07.760 that helps, And and he's got the Tiger, the Tiger 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.520 inner circle, you know, info which I'm sure can't hurt, 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:15.120 can't hurt If it's not this year, you would think, 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.319 I mean, you would say he will definitely win one. 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:19.440 But we said that about Rory eight years ago, and 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.200 I've said that about a lot of players through the years. 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:25.919 So there's something confounding about Augusta Nashville that's what makes 0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.279 it such a It's just part of the week. You know, 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.399 there's there's a lot of heartbreak out there. There's there's 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.759 a lot of a lot of blood on those greens too. 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.080 I mean we remember the triumphs, but you know, go 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.520 back to kenventor you name it. I mean there's there's 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.000 a lot of guys would have expected to win here 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:43.839 who just never did. And those shadows. That's that's part 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:48.520 of the tournament there. It is. Boys. Tomorrow we wake 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:53.319 up to golf. I like it. I'm so excited. It's 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.839 so at this point, it's I'm so ready. I mean, 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.759 it's a long preamble, it's it's let's tee it up. 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.759 Thanks for listening. More tomorrow, Yeah, yeah, I think you 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:05.560 know the plan is Jeff and I at least we'll 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:08.759 we'll do something tomorrow and Friday, and obviously we'll be 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.279 talking a lot about Tiger tomorrow. No matter what you shoots, 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.880 he's the story. Like, crowds are going to be just unreal, 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.080 um and you know that that's all. I mean, that's 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:21.600 also something worth mentioning. Throughout the week, there's different crowds 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.080 on different days, and like Monday through Wednesday, it's a 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:26.799 lot of people feel like it's our first time here, 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.400 and um, you know, those are the busiest days in 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.759 the merchandise tent. You get to the tournament rounds and 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:36.400 it's more of the longtime badge holders and and whatever. 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.759 But um, I feel like I feel like there's something 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:43.720 in the air where people are aware that it's fleeting 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.520 with Tiger. If you want to watch Tiger Woods playing 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:49.040 in person, you better get on it because nothing is guaranteed. 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:51.239 By the way his back, I mean, one forgets like 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.120 he was recovering from back sturgery when he wrecked his car. 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.239 Like we haven't even talked about his back. That's an 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:58.600 ongoing issue. It's got a few spine you know whatever. 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.240 So every swing is precious. So I feel like there's 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.799 this this need to memorialize it. You know, if if 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:06.920 you've been if you've been a little complacent for for 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:08.600 a while now, it's like, Okay, I better take my 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.880 son or my nephew or or my dad or whomever 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.080 and get out there and watch him to do it. 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.040 So I think it'll be some of the biggest Thursday 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.640 crowds ever around one player, and that's just gonna be 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:23.920 all part of the show. Colard Shepherd, that shepherd, all right, 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:44.520 it's a rap. It's a rap. Put another log on 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:50.960 the fire. Nobody hears. Get the time