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Speaker 1: so he's way back. He's sent a firn in and

429
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Speaker 1: I was on that hill above, and the sound of

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Speaker 1: the strike and just the trajectory and the grace of

431
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Speaker 1: the fall. It was the first time I ever saw

432
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Speaker 1: swinging club and it's like burned in my brain. And

433
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Speaker 1: so then we you know, of course he birdies that one,

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Speaker 1: and he hits his drive down the right side of

435
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Speaker 1: fifteen and back then there's those big mounds and you

436
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 1: could to slingshot off those mounds, and um, so we

437
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: ran down the right side, and of course he spins

438
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 1: that wedge in close makes eagle. You know my mom

439
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: was she was she would have fitted in the silent.

440
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: She was pretty sneaky. So somehow she had smuggled a

441
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Speaker 1: camera in her purse onto the grounds. You know that

442
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,199
Speaker 1: security was not as as uptight in the nineties is

443
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 1: now he know, no metal detectors whatever, and so and

444
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: everyone runs down the green to watch Tiger putt. And

445
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: so I have a picture of my mom pointing at

446
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: Tigers div it and I just found that picture a

447
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. I was going through some old albums

448
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 1: and this is a classic. Like we were right there,

449
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: and you know, that was the whole the whole history

450
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Speaker 1: of golf. Flip on that back nine, you know when

451
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: he won and and just kept going and one that thing.

452
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: But don't as a momentous as that week was for

453
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Speaker 1: for Tiger and for the game. Like my strongest memory

454
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Speaker 1: is is this goofy picture of my mom pointing at

455
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Speaker 1: the divt and uh so, yeah, there's there's a personal

456
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: element to all these things that more than anywhere else

457
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: because no one ever asked. You know, in our world

458
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: they might but if it's if you know, it's a

459
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: pebble beach, I'll have people ask me to go to

460
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Speaker 1: the US Open because but no one said, hey, I

461
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Speaker 1: want to open at Oakmont or Marion or whatever. It's

462
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: just not on the radar screen. The way the Masters is,

463
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: it's just something different about this place. Toodnight before Christmas.

464
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Speaker 1: Right now, it's start on the subject of photos. One

465
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Speaker 1: last one, but two thousand one of my last Masters

466
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Speaker 1: I covered for Sports Illustrated as the photo editor. We

467
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Speaker 1: had just coordinated efforts with UM Golf magazine. We were

468
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Speaker 1: actually sharing some sort of Sports Illustrating Golf Magazine had

469
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Speaker 1: kind of come together for a concerted effort of photo

470
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Speaker 1: you know, photo synchronicity in terms of as a photo

471
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Speaker 1: and I had now access to guys like Fred Botch,

472
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Speaker 1: so we would send the typical Sports Illustrated photographers, the

473
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Speaker 1: best of the best, plus Fred Us who came in

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Speaker 1: with this really amazing team like mentality, humble attitude, incredible talent.

475
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Speaker 1: And it was come Sunday that final round two thousand

476
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Speaker 1: one and Tiger and Phil actually we're paired together that

477
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Speaker 1: that round and Tiger was winning by I mean, he

478
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: had a comfortable lead, I believe at the time, you know,

479
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Speaker 1: coming up that the last few holes and it was

480
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Speaker 1: all about, you know, again leap frogging photographers. And it

481
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: came down to if you have five guys, one guy's

482
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Speaker 1: at the tea, one guy's at the green. The next

483
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Speaker 1: guys at the tea and next guy has green. We

484
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Speaker 1: have a leap frog system in place, but we had

485
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Speaker 1: this fifth photographer, Fred Botch's access and was like, what

486
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Speaker 1: are you going to do differently on Sunday during the

487
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: final and everyone wants to run up and be near

488
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Speaker 1: the green so you can surround that green and get

489
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Speaker 1: the shot of the react, the pod or the thing.

490
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Speaker 1: Fred Voish we talked about hanging back and he said,

491
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Speaker 1: what if I go medium format silent shutter in the

492
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Speaker 1: photo tower behind the tea to try to get something

493
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Speaker 1: a little different of Tiger. I think he practiced it

494
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. It looked amazing. If you get the timing

495
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Speaker 1: just right, could be an incredible image. Again, willingness to

496
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Speaker 1: not go up to the green, stay back because if

497
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Speaker 1: you're back at that tea in that booth, you're not

498
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Speaker 1: getting up to the green. And Fred, which volunteered to

499
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Speaker 1: go back, shot medium format. I get the role of

500
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: film and sports those after it gets process timing, building

501
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: comes down to the light table. I roll it out.

502
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: There's two frames on the whole on the whole roll

503
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Speaker 1: of film. One is Michelson right at the top of

504
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: his backs being time to perfectly, which is not easy

505
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: to do. And then Tiger top of his back swing

506
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: in a perfect sort of as I recall, shaded area

507
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: where the light is sort of shining in on the

508
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: ball on the t Tiger perfect top of his back swing,

509
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: down that shoot from behind. And you know, this was

510
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: the quote masterpiece cover for Sports Illustrated on the way Out,

511
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: and they used that one frame Fred bois being selfless.

512
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: There was no react to the green tissue and that's

513
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, teams were like in the dream and the

514
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Speaker 1: credit to which is attitude and energy. And that was

515
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Speaker 1: the and that was my last Masters I covered for

516
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Speaker 1: s I and then I went to digest and go

517
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Speaker 1: for a book. In the lobby of the Sports Ulsted

518
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: building in Manhattan, they had that blown up. It was

519
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: about ten ft wide and the detail was just it's

520
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I wanted to

521
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: steal that's so bad, but I couldn't have too heavy. Well,

522
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: the masterpiece worked on I've got one up in my office.

523
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Speaker 1: The masterpiece work worked on both levels, not only as

524
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Speaker 1: tigers performance but the image itself. It's a it's pretty

525
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Speaker 1: cool this, I mean, this is it's so funny that

526
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Speaker 1: that you're as like we all span Like when I

527
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: was an intern at Sportshill Straight the Olympics was at

528
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Speaker 1: Lilla Hammer in Norway. There was there were no flights,

529
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Speaker 1: and the magazine hired a large it to fly to

530
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Speaker 1: and from Little Hammer in New York just to bring

531
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Speaker 1: back bags of film because that was the only way

532
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Speaker 1: to get in the magazine. Really, I mean people would

533
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Speaker 1: jump on the flight too, but the whole reason was

534
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: just to get the film because things would happen on

535
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Speaker 1: the weekend and they have to go in the magazine,

536
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: and the literally the only way to do it. We're running.

537
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: I I served as a photo editor slash film runner

538
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: on countless occasions, including the involved around the Ryder Cut,

539
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: in which I had to carry the film back from Spain.

540
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: Slept through my flight, you know, like I mean, you

541
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: know the stories are and the back of the day

542
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: it was just light. The idea of light tables and

543
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: running film is just you know where is opposed to

544
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: just you know, sending a digital image now is just

545
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: like a drug mule. Yeah, yeah, that's stressful if you

546
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Speaker 1: lose that film minus the things in awkward places, But yes,

547
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Speaker 1: drug mell yeah, exactly, more more memories, Jeff, what do

548
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: you got? Well, I'm wondering about this, like all the

549
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: build up you get here, whatever, Sunday, money, Tuesday, Wednesday,

550
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: you said the night before Christmas? Like, how how do

551
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: you go to sleep on Wednesday night before the Masters

552
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: when you're in the field and you know, if your

553
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: first one or maybe you're a favorite, or like, how

554
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: did you do that? I don't know. Sometimes you probably didn't.

555
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was fine, and I don't know. First time,

556
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure I was pretty nervous and probably didn't sleep

557
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: very well. But then you get used to it, and

558
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: you can remember we do this every week, Like I know,

559
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: the Masters, it's not the only tournament we play all year.

560
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: It's the eightieth tournament we've played in the last three years,

561
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: you know, Like so we used to sleeping in a

562
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Speaker 1: new bed, going to bed on some sort of knowing

563
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Speaker 1: that golf is happening tomorrow, and then the other may

564
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: just keep you up a little bit. I mean the

565
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: first time, I think I was probably pretty rough, but

566
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Speaker 1: up for a while, I think, and you get so

567
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: tired as a tiring week because you just want to

568
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: be out there, especially when you're first coming here, you

569
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Speaker 1: want to be out there all day Monday, all day Tuesday,

570
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: all day Wednesday. Um, I don't know, you just work

571
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: it out your glasses later in the career a class

572
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: of red or a couple of years, mate. But no, never,

573
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't never a big problem because it's like what

574
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: we do, you know. I mean it's a it's a

575
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: bigger version and a better version of what we do,

576
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: but it's still what we do, you know. So I

577
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: think every now and then it's hard, Like the lead

578
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: having a lead here would be a hard one to

579
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: sleep on. Leads are hard to sleep on anywhere, but

580
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: here would because it would be especially hard course to

581
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: go out with a lead on, because such crazy stuff

582
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: can happen, right, And the two times at two forty

583
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: like yeah to Sprutal and all you want to do.

584
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: You can sleep till ten whenever you want, when you're that,

585
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: when you're young. But all of a sudden you wake

586
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: up at seven that day for some annoying reason. You

587
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: play having heard what you said about Greg Norman and

588
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: how the whole country sort of wait was waiting for

589
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: him to win one what what was? What was your

590
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: memories and reflections on on his on his collapse. Ninety

591
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 1: six is s brutal. Yeah, I mean because we've had

592
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: eighty seven. He got hold out on Larry Myers chipped

593
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: in and that was the very major after Bob had

594
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: to hold out on him from the bunk. The two

595
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: majors in a row, someone would hold out on him

596
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: to like walk off beat him, you know. So, I

597
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: mean we were just all about that. And then he

598
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: was in it every year, it seemed like, and then

599
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: he kind of hadn't been there I don't think for

600
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years. And then ninety sixty three in

601
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: the first round. I think he was leaving a whole week. Um,

602
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: I think he shod sixty three in the first round. Anyway,

603
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: it's what six in front, and it was Fouldo made

604
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: that big part on seventeen on Saturday, and it was

605
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: kind of this, I'm going to sign because those two

606
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: Voudo would kind of had his number a little bit.

607
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: When they head to head it over like tournament wins

608
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: and stuff. Norman beat him all the time, but when

609
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: they actually head to head it Fouldo had looked hard

610
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: for Norman to work out, and yeah, we turned it on.

611
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: That was back in the days when the footage came

612
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: came on, the telecast came on, and he was playing

613
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: the ninth. He used to see the second shot of eight,

614
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: remember that period, second shot to eight, and then the

615
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: music would come and nance would get on his thing

616
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: and then you'd start watching nine, right, and that was

617
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: when you started, and we started, and Ventur he was

618
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: just saying, don't hit it. He could do anything he

619
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: wants to hear, but don't hit it short on nine.

620
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: Don't hit it short or nine, don't and he spins

621
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Speaker 1: it off the front or nine, and right then it's like,

622
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: this is not going to go really well. I don't know.

623
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 1: I just felt from there it felt scary, you know,

624
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: for an Australian Norman fan. And then it was pretty

625
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: hard to watch PTSD, like literally did that like that that?

626
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: But I mean that that mattered. I mean that was yeah,

627
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: it was hard to watch. And then I don't know, um,

628
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: I practiced hard of that day. I went straight to

629
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: the golf course and practiced all day. And I know

630
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: if I got a plenty of friends who did the same,

631
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: because they were just like, I don't know, That's all

632
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I could think to do was to just go practice.

633
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: It was a sad day in Australia though, and I'm

634
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: sure that there would have been one of those microeconomic

635
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: downturns that day, because everyone would have liked that struggled

636
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: to get to work or been down and flat at work.

637
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: Like it was a dark day for Australia for sure,

638
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: because it would have It would have been a Monday

639
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: Monday morning. Yeah, yeah, because we watch it. Yeah, we

640
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: watch it and everyone's late to work on Monday. Oh,

641
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: light to the one. I'd like to school because you'd

642
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: get in too much trouble, but like you would, uh yeah,

643
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: everyone's light. It finishes about nine o'clock in the morning

644
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: and everyone scoots into walk at work and talks about

645
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: the Masters. I guess on Monday. You know, it was

646
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: always like great Greg, Greg, can he win in this ship?

647
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: And he went this year? And yeah, it was pretty sad.

648
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: I was walking around out there and it was still

649
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: the eeriest feeling on a golf course because just a

650
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: slow unraveling and they got down to Amen corner and

651
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: he just didn't No one knew how to react. And

652
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: there's there's a few shots are burning in my brain.

653
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: One of them is foulto on thirteen that second shot,

654
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: because I was right by the ropes and I had

655
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: just that quintessential view through the trees and the golden

656
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: sun and just sort of the daffled light, and he

657
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: smashed that two iron, and you know, Gregg had driven

658
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: up into the pines for I had to lay up,

659
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: and so now Fault that was hitting and he puts

660
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: in the creek like Norman's back in it, but he

661
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: just hit this absolute laser and again the sound of

662
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: that one I remember that was like, guy, this is it.

663
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's not going to go backwards. And

664
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: um yeah. I bumped into to David Ledbetter out there

665
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: and it was just this it felt like almost like

666
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: this funeral is too strong a word, but it was

667
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: really extreme heaviness in the Dogwoods and never been in

668
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: a tournament like that. I mean usually maybe it's also

669
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: because you know fall It was a great champion, but

670
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: he was kind of a prickly character. So you know,

671
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: if if he would if it was Fred who was

672
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: going to beat Norman, the people still be really excited

673
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: because it was Fred, whereas Fault that they didn't know

674
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: how to feel. And god, it was that was that

675
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: was the weirdest Sunday ever I think around here that

676
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: I've experienced. He was on a label about that when

677
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: he felt there the last round might just he was

678
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: as good as we have a soul dove Taga crazy.

679
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: I think that was transition to because that was pretty

680
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Tagataga was obviously that was probably the second one, third one, Yes, Amateure, yeah, yeah,

681
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: and then everything Giants. It was kind of the end

682
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: of Fellow Norman to really want to and they had

683
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: a few good stuff after that, but Taga turned up

684
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: after that and that was all anyone so off for

685
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: the next twenty years, you know, and they were number

686
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: one and two for so long. Yeah. I ended a

687
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: lot of media media nights at the Media Center shoulder

688
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: to shoulder with Tim rose Afford and goes Worth mentioning

689
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: you know that I was watching live from can't help

690
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: but miss tim rose Afford's reporting in presence. He's just

691
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: been such a mainstay and and a rock to all

692
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: all of golf reporting and storytelling, but especially at a

693
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: place like the Masters. Do you have any did you

694
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: have any reflections or thoughts on Tim Rosefort Did you

695
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: have any run ins or or or experiences with Tim,

696
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: lots of experiences I mean, non memorable, just because I

697
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: saw him every week for years. You know, it was

698
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: just the guy you could say anything you wanted to

699
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: and you would never you knew he was safe. You know,

700
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: there some out there that you know are safe to

701
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: be open with. You know, they'll only print what's fair

702
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: and the something that you don't, and he was one

703
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: of that. He was fantastic, was wise, interested more in

704
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: the deepest story, not that just he played well today,

705
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, it was always after that, the interesting stuff.

706
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: He was good, great team, very respected. The players loved him.

707
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: I think he loved really to be respected and be

708
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: loved by both sides well and not only these readers,

709
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: but but the players end his peers. It's pretty hard

710
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: to do, I mean, because you've got to write some

711
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: strong opinions every now and then and it's going to

712
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: annoy people. But he just did it in a way

713
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: that was professional and classy. You know, you can't remember

714
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: people's names, you know, you paid attention. You know, he

715
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah, So it's sad. It's really sad because

716
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: it's a there is there is important to the tournament,

717
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: like the great journalists are is important to these tournaments

718
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: as the golf is wrong. So that's how everyone always

719
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: used to write about him, and that's how we hear

720
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: about it all the stuff. So that's always been my

721
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: feeling anyway, Alan, I mean they talk about you know

722
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: that this one, especially your shoulder, shoulder, all in the media.

723
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Everybody's scrambling. It's harder to cover this to this tournament

724
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: more than any And yet I've also you know, Trunky

725
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: the great the great stories of Rosaford and always reporting.

726
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: But you know, you get lauded for your your reporting

727
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: and being able to get where other people don't get.

728
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: What's your what's your what? What was your strategy to

729
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: this week? And what continues to be your strategies weaken

730
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: in an effort to try to get something that nobody

731
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: else has. Yeah, it gets harder and harder. Um, But

732
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: as far as far as Rosie goes, I can remember

733
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: being a lot of Augusta press rooms and starts getting lonely.

734
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: At ten o'clock, people start filing out. You get to eleven,

735
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: it gets gets thin. You get to midnight, there's about

736
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: ten left. I mean, me and Rosie were sometimes the

737
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: last you guys in there, and um, you just had

738
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: that gry and you know, and that that was part

739
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: of the fun. I think he always wanted me to

740
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: leave first. It's like it's like, I'm gonna wait this

741
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: guy out. And that was just part of his his

742
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, that fullback personality that we've talked about a lot.

743
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: But um, you know, and it's worth mentioning to especially

744
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: this week, like, uh, it's very generous. We just say that,

745
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, the reporters are as important as the players

746
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: in the history of Augusta National. I mean, that's true.

747
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: Like grantland Rice is a big reason why August and

748
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: Nashally even got formed and in the thirties because he

749
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: was he was this great honk for the tournament and

750
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: the club and he was an original member and he

751
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: helped recruit people. And then you have you know, Herbert

752
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: Warren Win is one who came up with the term

753
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: Amen corner, and Dan Jenkins, you know, coined the phrase

754
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter doesn't begin to the back night on Sunday,

755
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Like the legend of of the Masters, the reporters have

756
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: been really important, so more than any other tournament, which

757
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: is just kind of interesting. At the same time, you know,

758
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: they they don't really like the reporters out much anymore,

759
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: as as August has embraced making their own content and

760
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the stuff they put out as beautiful, like they've further

761
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: marginalized the rest of the press because they would rather

762
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: have even going to Masters dot com. And so it's

763
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: they've they've restricted more and more where we can go,

764
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: how we can talk to people. It's accelerated oer COVID.

765
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: So it's a challenge. You know, I could probably get

766
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: back into bother cabin, but at this point I probably shouldn't,

767
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, So Unfortunately, like I've closed off a few

768
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: avenues for myself. Um. But the one good thing is,

769
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: as you're talking about Jeff, like, everyone has a lot

770
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: of family and friends here. So if you go out

771
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: and walk and you follow people, you can find the

772
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: college buddies and the girlfriend and the parents. And there's

773
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: a lot of reporting that can be done outside the

774
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: ropes where many other tournaments they're not there at all,

775
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: and so there's still that opportunity. And in a big crowd,

776
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily easy to find them, especially if it's

777
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: a young up and comer, but you can usually tell,

778
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: especially girlfriends stand out right like there's there's a type

779
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: um and uh so that's kind of a fun challenge,

780
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: is just picking out the faces in the crowd. And

781
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: there is you know that a lot of turn mints.

782
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: The players are kind of under siege after their round

783
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: and they're they're trying to get away from the fans,

784
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: but because of the no autograph policy here, there's a

785
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: lot more lingering. And so after the players signed their car,

786
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: they'll often stand in the tree with their family and

787
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: that's how you can pick people out and um and

788
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: then maybe the next day you can find them on

789
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: the course, or it used to be when they're waiting

790
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: for their cars in front of the clubhouse, you could

791
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: you could chat people up on the veranda there. But

792
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, I got busted for that now because Billy

793
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: Paine doesn't he doesn't want reporters on that side of

794
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: the clubhouse any marks. We were not allowed to go

795
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: to the front and did a million interviews in that

796
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: parking lot um over the years, but we can't go

797
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: over there anymore. So lots of little some of the

798
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: institutional knowledge has been forfeited because they are they're always

799
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: changing the rules and not for the better. But if

800
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: you hustle, and then you have instincts you can you

801
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: can still you can still get your work done, but

802
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: it's definitely harder than it used to be. So you'll

803
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: be craping around in the crowd looking for girlfriends and yeah,

804
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: somebody's gotta do it job and um, well, I mean

805
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: this week not as much because they have other people,

806
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: but like for twenty years, I've got out there and

807
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: walk and usually the girlfriends are the wives are by themselves,

808
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: are actually happy. I want to talk to you, like

809
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: you get a lot of reporting done that way, and

810
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: you go into your your deep like your so fun

811
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: message voice. Hello, Well, you know what's really funny? He

812
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: just jogged in memory. So I was sitting next to

813
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Roosaford in the press room and it was it Augusta

814
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. And he was working the phones on

815
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: some story. I was a kind of minor consequence. It

816
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal, but you're making phone call after

817
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: phone call, and you and it's kind of like making

818
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, It's like it's like when you scrambling eggs.

819
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: You're always working around the edges and then you kind

820
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: of get to the middle. Like he's always he was

821
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: getting more and more information than he would go to

822
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: the next person said, well, so this guy told me this,

823
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: but I want to fact check it and like, and

824
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: he was just just going through the whole process and

825
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was fun to listen to. I was.

826
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: I feel like that was nineties. I think that was

827
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: nineties or seven. It's one of my first masters. And

828
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: and then when he's when he's done, he's like, he's

829
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: turned because he was aware. You know, I wasn't like

830
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: a staring on, but I was clearly kind of tuned

831
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: into it. And he says to me, you know, it's

832
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: kind of like picking up a woman, you other, there's

833
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: some seduction there and you gotta share a little bit.

834
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: And ye I'm like, wow, that's Steve. You know. Thanks

835
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: to him, I was like, you telling Lair don't sleep

836
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: on the path through. Yeah, I was like, God, I

837
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: thought it was just basically exchanging of data, but no,

838
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: there's a whole other human element to it that and

839
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: Rose Fork passed it on. Yeah, I know. I think

840
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: he made some allusion to some old Tampa Bay Buccaneers

841
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: cheerleader that you dated, just to finish the annecdote. But yeah,

842
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: good for Rosie. What prognostication doesn't seem like it's it's

843
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: your favorite thing in terms of picking winners. But do

844
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: you have do you have someone that you have your

845
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: eye on or you don't bet on golf? You don't,

846
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're not You're not one of these guys.

847
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: If I would, I think dust would be hard to

848
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: sleep on Dustin. I think, I mean he's just he's

849
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: under the right as he's ever been. I mean remember

850
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: a few yars ago he was on one when he

851
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: was falling over in the garage on on all the

852
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: stairs and it was like the novel. He was the

853
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: story of the week. Yeah, he's not that. There's like

854
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: stories all over the top of him this week, especially

855
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: with Tiger so and he played unbelievable at the match play.

856
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: He's perfect for this course, especially if it plays long.

857
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: He would be hard to beat if he if he

858
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: plays well, if he really hard debate, I think, yeah,

859
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: I took Dustin days ago with with with Las on

860
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: his podcast. But yeah, I mean it's gonna it's it's

861
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: been raining today. I mean the fairies are going to

862
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: be soft. I mean it's gonna, as we talked about

863
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: with suba of the greens, can they confirm them up

864
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: to a large degree. But soft fairways, I mean it's

865
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: it's going to be a long golf course. So that's

866
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: a tough combo, right, soft fairways and hard greens. Yeah,

867
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they're all pretty long. But Dustin does

868
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: it easy, don'ty, And it's he's just extra long, you know.

869
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: And he's one here that's a fifteenth club this week.

870
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: If you've already got a green jacket, maybe even a

871
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: sixteenth club, like it's you can't be. They just always

872
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: carry an air of and they're not as nervous. They

873
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: don't they've already done it. They are in the Champions

874
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: dinner forever, right, So they're just putting cream on top

875
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: the other guys like Rory, I mean he's carrying way

876
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: more than Dustin come down the stretch, right, So Kim

877
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Smith when the players and I mean the guy is this.

878
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Is this as solid as it gets right now? Is

879
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: that possible? Yeah? Absolutely, it'd be hard to see him

880
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: liked to argue against him. I mean, unbelievable in it

881
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: was it capital with this year, unbelievable a soul grass

882
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: like unbelievable s grass. So yeah, I mean, anyone who

883
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: puts that good would be great to same win Australia

884
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: will be like riding him in Leash Scotty pretty hard.

885
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: I would have thought pays good here. Yeah, Leash don't

886
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: sleep unleash Um. He's it's whatever. Regardless of his form,

887
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: when he gets the big tournaments, he usually sort of

888
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: shows up, don't he And he's got a good game here.

889
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: He loves it. He's been up there a few times,

890
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: so he knows what to expect. I like Luke List

891
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: and Lucas Glover is a couple of little sleepers, guys

892
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: who are wells List. I mean he's pounds it like

893
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: he's with stats lately. But he's definitely one of the

894
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: best drivers out here. So that makes him dangerous, especially

895
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: this week. Any other guys out No, I mean I

896
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: haven't been picking j T. That's like seems like consensus pick.

897
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know. He's he seems to jump you

898
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: out there, like that triple bow he made on on

899
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: thirteen last year, you know, from the middle of Fairway,

900
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: like there's I think you know. Johnny Miller talked about

901
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: this a lot, how Augusta just gets in guy's heads.

902
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: He was one of them. Obviously, Greg was another Ernie Trevino.

903
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Rory, you take that those are those are

904
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: five of the best, you know, twenty golfers ever probably

905
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: and they don't have a single jacket between them. White's cough.

906
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: I mean, some guys just wanted too much. And there

907
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: there is a mental aspect here that seems like it's

908
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: different than anywhere else. And so um so he hasn't

909
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: has heartbroken here like Rory has quite as much. But

910
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel he's already fallen into

911
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: that category. So he's got that mean, he's got the game.

912
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: He can win anywhere, anytime. But I don't see that

913
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: it's easier for me to talk to myself out of

914
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 1: pick than it is to make one. He's got bones now,

915
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: that helps, And and he's got the Tiger, the Tiger

916
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: inner circle, you know, info which I'm sure can't hurt,

917
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: can't hurt If it's not this year, you would think,

918
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you would say he will definitely win one.

919
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: But we said that about Rory eight years ago, and

920
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I've said that about a lot of players through the years.

921
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: So there's something confounding about Augusta Nashville that's what makes

922
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: it such a It's just part of the week. You know,

923
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of heartbreak out there. There's there's

924
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of blood on those greens too.

925
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean we remember the triumphs, but you know, go

926
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: back to kenventor you name it. I mean there's there's

927
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys would have expected to win here

928
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: who just never did. And those shadows. That's that's part

929
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: of the tournament there. It is. Boys. Tomorrow we wake

930
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: up to golf. I like it. I'm so excited. It's

931
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: so at this point, it's I'm so ready. I mean,

932
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: it's a long preamble, it's it's let's tee it up.

933
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. More tomorrow, Yeah, yeah, I think you

934
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: know the plan is Jeff and I at least we'll

935
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: we'll do something tomorrow and Friday, and obviously we'll be

936
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: talking a lot about Tiger tomorrow. No matter what you shoots,

937
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: he's the story. Like, crowds are going to be just unreal,

938
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: um and you know that that's all. I mean, that's

939
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: also something worth mentioning. Throughout the week, there's different crowds

940
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: on different days, and like Monday through Wednesday, it's a

941
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like it's our first time here,

942
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: and um, you know, those are the busiest days in

943
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: the merchandise tent. You get to the tournament rounds and

944
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: it's more of the longtime badge holders and and whatever.

945
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: But um, I feel like I feel like there's something

946
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: in the air where people are aware that it's fleeting

947
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: with Tiger. If you want to watch Tiger Woods playing

948
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: in person, you better get on it because nothing is guaranteed.

949
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: By the way his back, I mean, one forgets like

950
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: he was recovering from back sturgery when he wrecked his car.

951
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: Like we haven't even talked about his back. That's an

952
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: ongoing issue. It's got a few spine you know whatever.

953
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: So every swing is precious. So I feel like there's

954
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: this this need to memorialize it. You know, if if

955
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: you've been if you've been a little complacent for for

956
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: a while now, it's like, Okay, I better take my

957
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: son or my nephew or or my dad or whomever

958
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: and get out there and watch him to do it.

959
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: So I think it'll be some of the biggest Thursday

960
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: crowds ever around one player, and that's just gonna be

961
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: all part of the show. Colard Shepherd, that shepherd, all right,

962
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: it's a rap. It's a rap. Put another log on

963
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: the fire. Nobody hears. Get the time