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Speaker 1: the fish on First podcast channel with me Eli Sussman,

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Speaker 1: the managing editor of Fish Strips, where we cover your

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Speaker 1: when the team is in playoff position this deep into

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Speaker 1: the Marlins who are slightly above five hundred entering Thursday.

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Speaker 1: This episode is going to transverse the aging curve in baseball.

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Speaker 1: Solare will be opting out of his deal because he

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Speaker 1: has gone back to who he used to be. My

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Speaker 1: initial gut feel was that it's possible. I'd give it

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Speaker 1: slightly better than a coin flip chance that he opts out.

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Speaker 1: I put it at fifty five percent. This was last week,

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Speaker 1: and since then he's continued to be very productive, basically

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Speaker 1: swinging this Nationals Marlin series single handedly. Like it's not

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Speaker 1: an overstatement to say that he has won them. He

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Speaker 1: won Tuesday's game basically all by himself, and at a

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Speaker 1: huge end in Wednesdays as well. That he's not really

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Speaker 1: showing any signs of cooling off. His batted ball quality

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Speaker 1: is extraordinary, how frequently he's barreling the ball. That's the

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Speaker 1: stuff that does generally paying free agency, even if you

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Speaker 1: are going to be in your age thirty two season,

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Speaker 1: even if you are going to be pretty heavily ud

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Speaker 1: I think Skip Schumacher even specify that they don't they're

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Speaker 1: not comfortable using him more than one day in a

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Speaker 1: row on defense. So that just shows you, even more

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Speaker 1: so than Garrett Cooper, you could say he's limited as

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Speaker 1: to what he adds in that aspect of the game,

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Speaker 1: just because of all the steps are taking to make

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Speaker 1: sure that his back issues are not flaring up because

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Speaker 1: of the way that he's used. So what's the Laire.

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Speaker 1: This is going to take a while to play out.

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Speaker 1: As we move along, I get slightly I see it

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Speaker 1: as a likely possibility that he does test the open market,

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Speaker 1: but it's not a foregone conclusion. Needs to stay healthy,

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Speaker 1: needs to continue to be available as a defender on

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Speaker 1: occasion when his team needs that spot opened up to

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Speaker 1: give somebody else a half day off. In the mean

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Speaker 1: sign the Marlins are thrilled with the production that Solaire

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Speaker 1: is giving them. Is I think will be partially affected

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Speaker 1: by how these other corner outfielders performed the rest of

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Speaker 1: this year when Hayesus Sanchez is healthy, how much Sayes

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Speaker 1: Brian Delacruz stay on his hot streaks, and whether Piyden

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Speaker 1: Burdick proves that he is a viable major leaguer as well.

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Speaker 1: They feel good enough about those younger pre arbitration players

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Speaker 1: and feel that they can sort of emulate his production

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Speaker 1: or come somewhere close to it, that it's easier to

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Speaker 1: let sold their walk, But that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: fascinating storyline to follow the rest of the season. Sickon

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Speaker 1: with two others that have options as well. That was

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Speaker 1: a player option for so Layer with a club option.

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Speaker 1: There's Matt Barnes, acquired in that trade from the Boston

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Speaker 1: Red Sox in a deal where they made a cash neutral.

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Speaker 1: His salary was higher for twenty twenty three than Richard

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Speaker 1: Blier was. The Red Sox threw in money to even

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Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, the Red Sox paying the majority of

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Speaker 1: the money that was left on his contract at the

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Speaker 1: time of the d and the club option for next

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Speaker 1: year eight million, with a two point twenty five million

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Speaker 1: dollar buyout on Barns so with him. His performance this

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Speaker 1: year has been fine. I noticed that the fastball velocity

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Speaker 1: was down early in the year. That has gone back

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Speaker 1: up to an appropriate level for somebody of his pitching style. Still,

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Speaker 1: I don't see the strikeouts coming back to what they

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Speaker 1: used to be. Is somebody that is going to have

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Speaker 1: to rely on pitching the contact more than he's accustomed to.

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Speaker 1: Head this year, his strikeout rate is twenty one point

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Speaker 1: three percent, slightly lower than the major league average and

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Speaker 1: well below the major League average for relievers a three

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Speaker 1: seven eight ERA four point three eight FIP. He is,

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Speaker 1: you know, at this point, a run of the mill

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Speaker 1: middle reliever for a team right now, run of the

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Speaker 1: mill middle reliever's not going to be somebody that you

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Speaker 1: pay eight million dollars to in twenty twenty four. I

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Speaker 1: think that's highly probable that they end up declining that

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Speaker 1: club option. But so far fitting in pretty well with

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Speaker 1: this Marlins clubhouse. We saw that firsthand when he appeared

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Speaker 1: on What a Relief on the Same Fish on First

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Speaker 1: podcast channel. You can listen back to see that conversation

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Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, he's an asset to the organization, just

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Speaker 1: not one that is commeserate with the terms of his

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Speaker 1: contract and his club option for twenty twenty four. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a pretty good chance that Barnes is a

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Speaker 1: one and done with this Marlins organization and finally the

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Speaker 1: same well, it's also a club option. The player here

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Speaker 1: that has fallen the farthest short of what the Marlins

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Speaker 1: expected of him this year has to be Johnny Quato.

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Speaker 1: Signed to a one year, eight point five million dollar

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Speaker 1: in the off season, six million of that paid out

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Speaker 1: this season, and then two point five, his club option

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Speaker 1: for next year. I had forgotten about all these performance

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Speaker 1: bonuses that if he was mostly healthy, whether as a

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Speaker 1: starter or as a reliever, the Marlins weren't going to

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Speaker 1: chip on some extra money in here. Fifty thousand for

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Speaker 1: twenty five starts and seventy five thousand if you get

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Speaker 1: reached his twenty eight starts. Even that lowest threshold is

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Speaker 1: completely out of reach now due to subsequent injuries, back

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Speaker 1: to back injuries, or should say kind of concurrent injuries.

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Speaker 1: First the biceps issue, then the ankle issue. When he

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Speaker 1: was rehabbing the biceps issue at Triple A. With him,

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Speaker 1: he's been one game for the Marlins, one injury shortened game.

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Speaker 1: He can't even guarantee that there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: second game at this point because he's still far away

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Speaker 1: from getting back from the ankle issue. It's just, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the reading between the lines the team is just

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Speaker 1: disappoint pointed in Quato in how he just didn't seem

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Speaker 1: that he prepared for this season with the same type

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Speaker 1: of work ethic that he had in his previous seasons.

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Speaker 1: At thirty seven years old, maybe he was just not

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Speaker 1: as motivated to get ready as he was earlier in

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Speaker 1: his career, before he had really established himself, and for

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Speaker 1: a team that even now and certainly at this point,

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Speaker 1: has very little margin for error with their starting pitching

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Speaker 1: situation because of the number of guys that went down

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Speaker 1: due to injuries, they thought Cuato coming off the year

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Speaker 1: that he had in Chicago would be a reliable workhorse

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Speaker 1: for them, not a star pitcher by any means, just

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Speaker 1: somebody that would be available for them, somebody that would

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Speaker 1: be able to share some best practices with the younger

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Speaker 1: pitchers in this organization, and that has just not panned

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Speaker 1: out whatsoever for him. So this one trending towards being

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Speaker 1: a bust at this point. Yet the wonder, at least

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Speaker 1: in the near term, the simple solution is going to

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Speaker 1: be moving him to the sixty day injured list to

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Speaker 1: keep him off a forty man roster, and are sure

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Speaker 1: he's going to make his way back onto the forty

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Speaker 1: man before the end of the year, or are they

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Speaker 1: going to reach a point where they just don't believe

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Speaker 1: in his ability to contribute to the team and maybe

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Speaker 1: they just cut their losses before we even get to

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Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty three. It's been the unfortunate

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Speaker 1: turn of events for him because there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of enthusiasm for Quato and for everything that he brings,

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Speaker 1: for the track record he brings, and for the swag

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Speaker 1: that he brings, and uh yeah, it just has been

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Speaker 1: a bust for him with this Marlins team in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. So as we've covered, all these guys, aside

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Speaker 1: from so Laier and Solo, Letter and Floro have been

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Speaker 1: the ones that have been stars and critical pieces of

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Speaker 1: this team so far in twenty twenty three, and everybody

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Speaker 1: else somewhere on that spectrum from being useless to being

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Speaker 1: just a run of the mill role player. I think

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Speaker 1: it's safe to assume that several of these players won't

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Speaker 1: be back in twenty twenty three. And really the bigger

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Speaker 1: question is exactly whether they make it through the year,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, how will the Marlins go about transitioning players

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Speaker 1: of more long term control into these prominent roles as

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Speaker 1: the season goes on in case these guys get hurt

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Speaker 1: or in case they struggle, and potentially whether this is

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Speaker 1: a team even if they're in contention midway through the year,

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Speaker 1: they and certainly if they fall out of contention, you

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Speaker 1: have to look at some of these players as trade

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Speaker 1: candidates in order to salvage something. As positive as things

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Speaker 1: are going in the win column for the Marlins in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, well, I mean they're still looking down

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Speaker 1: to the farm system. This is still not a really

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Speaker 1: deep organization. This is one that still needs to do

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Speaker 1: things to ensure that they have a sustainable future, that

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Speaker 1: they have waves of talent coming up through the organizations.

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Speaker 1: A thin organization, even as there are some star players

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Speaker 1: on the major league roster that you're really excited about.

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Speaker 1: And that's why some of these decisions probably can't wait

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Speaker 1: until the offseason. They need to be really open and

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Speaker 1: potentially aggressive in terms of initiating extension talks of players

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Speaker 1: that they think are important to the team's future. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I personally, if they could get Dylan Floro at a

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Speaker 1: reasonable deal, a slightly below market deal somehow, if it's

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Speaker 1: like two years with a club option for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six and the guarantee is in the ten million range

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Speaker 1: or maybe slightly above that, I think that's something that

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Speaker 1: the team should consider and get out in front of.

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Speaker 1: And so layer that's going to be a tricky one

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Speaker 1: in terms of what exactly he's looking for. It does

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Speaker 1: make me worry about committing to somebody that is mostly

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Speaker 1: a DH and who potentially will always be a DH

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Speaker 1: moving forward. That just really limits what you could do

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Speaker 1: with the rest of your roster, and it puts so

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Speaker 1: much pressure on him to perform exactly the way he

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Speaker 1: is right now in terms of both overall production and

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Speaker 1: high leverage production with him. So that's one where I

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Speaker 1: can imagine it's probably gonna wait until after the season

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Speaker 1: and with the Marlins getting an inside track in order

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Speaker 1: to resign him for twenty twenty four and beyond. So

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Speaker 1: I hope you appreciated this overview here on the official show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a separate video with my interview with

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Speaker 1: Carson Millbrands. Really good conversation with him, and because of

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Speaker 1: some of the audio recording of it, not all of

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Speaker 1: it was publishable in video and audio form for you guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sure to write up the complete transcripts

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Speaker 1: that between him and I and you'll get to listen

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Speaker 1: to most of this here on the pod. So that's

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Speaker 1: right here on the other side of this break or

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Speaker 1: in the adjacent video, depending on where you're watching here

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Speaker 1: speaking to nineteen year old right hander Carson mill Brandt

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Speaker 1: here on the Official Show. Yeah. One of the top

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Speaker 1: pitching prospects in this Marlins organization and one who I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited to follow his journey moving forward. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to what we do here on Fish Trips.

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Speaker 1: I'm Elis Susman. Go Phish, enjoy the interview. A special

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Speaker 1: guest joins me here on the official Show. In the

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Speaker 1: third rounds of the twenty twenty two MLB Draft, the

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Speaker 1: Miami Marlins selected right handed pitcher Carson mill Brandt out

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Speaker 1: of Liberty High School in Liberty, Missouri. Mil brand is

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Speaker 1: working his way up through the Marlins minor league system.

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Speaker 1: He's a member right now of the Jupiter Hammerheads starting

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Speaker 1: rotation projectable nineteen year olds. He's trying to become the

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Speaker 1: latest impact Major leaguer to come up through this great

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Speaker 1: Marlins pitching development pipeline. Thanks for taking the time to talk, Carson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I was talking right here on an off day before

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Speaker 1: getting into you specifically, I wanted to get your reaction

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Speaker 1: to a news just a few days ago the Marlins

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Speaker 1: called up Uri Perez all the way from Double A

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Speaker 1: straight to the majors. He's only a year older than

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Speaker 1: you are. I'm wondering what it is. What do you

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Speaker 1: think when you see somebody that's almost your age already

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Speaker 1: pitching important endings in the major leagues?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy. First of all, he's an awesome guy.

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Speaker 2: We reported January fifteenth for early camp and he was

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Speaker 2: there and you know, like he obviously doesn't speak a

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Speaker 2: lot of English, but it's like you can you have

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Speaker 2: conversations with them, but like it's so cool to just

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Speaker 2: watch him like throw his bullpens. Are just honestly watching

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Speaker 2: him go about his business like he handles it very professionally,

650
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: and you know, you watching him throw pens and you're like,

651
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: that guy's he's a major league pitcher, Like he has

652
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: all the tools. It's just it's awesome to see. It's

653
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: really cool.

654
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: Yerie top prospecting this organization and made pretty impresive in

655
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: his debut so far. So yeah, by the time this

656
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: episode comes out, I'll probably making his second start with

657
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: the big league team too. Now, i' mean going back

658
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: to you, there's lots of cover here on you. Just

659
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: going back to the beginning, do you remember how old

660
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: you were when you became a pitcher and what it

661
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: is that made you want to focus on that.

662
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So like I honestly, well, growing up, basketball

663
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: was my main sport. I was all in basketball. But

664
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: then obviously, like reality hit and I was like a

665
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: five six point guard on the B team, so I

666
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: was like, you know, basketball is probably not the way

667
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: to go.

668
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: But uh, my freshman year, I got a.

669
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: Few innings on varsity and I was like, you know,

670
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: I really started to enjoy it. You know, I had

671
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: a really good team, really good coaches my fresh and

672
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: you're at school. So ever since like freshman years, that's neever,

673
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 2: I started to like, you know, I kind of realized

674
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: I was better at pitching and just kind of worked

675
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: on it then and I really enjoyed it.

676
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: So it really wasn't that long ago relative some of

677
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: the other guys that were just coming out of the

678
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: draft this past year. Is there any particular MLB pitchers

679
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: that back then or even now that you try to

680
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: pattern your game after that you think you have a

681
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: lot in common with.

682
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: Uh, growing It was actually kind of funny.

683
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: So like when I was in sixth grade with the

684
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Royals from Kansas City obviously, So I watched a lot

685
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: of Royals games. Johnny Quato he was really that was

686
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: kind of like I loved watching him throw. I'd go

687
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: to a lot of his starts whenever. I think it

688
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: was like sixth or seventh grade. But they won the

689
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: World Series and so, like I saw the parade, saw him.

690
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: But it's actually really funny because it was with the

691
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: Marlins now, so I saw that spring training and all that,

692
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: and it was just it was so cool to see that.

693
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might see him around super sometimes soon because

694
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: he's in the middle of rehabbing an injury right now. Yeah,

695
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: that is That is a funny coincidence with him. So

696
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: a few years later, you made pretty rapid progress from

697
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: that freshman year in order to become a really legit

698
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: draft candidate right out of high school. But you were

699
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: committed to go to Vanderbilt. We've talked to there's been

700
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys in the exact same position that

701
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: you're in that have gone on to have careers in

702
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: the Marlins organization. Like half of them go to Vanderbilt.

703
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: The other half they get the offer they like and

704
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: they turn pro right away. It's kind of fifty to

705
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: fifty even guys in this organization that I've talked to,

706
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: could you just lead us through that whole decision process,

707
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, leading up to the draft and then yeah,

708
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: making the call to turn pro a couple weeks later.

709
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

710
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: So my mom and my family is like very important

711
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: to me, and they're they're always you know, usually ask

712
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: for their opinion, but like this time, there's like, you know,

713
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: pray to God, like whatever feels best for you.

714
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: You go with that, Like you go with that, that

715
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 4: that route.

716
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: But uh, I was actually at Vanderbilt for a week

717
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: and a few days taking a summer class and before

718
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: I flew home for the draft, So I got that

719
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: taste to college, you know, moved into my dorm, really

720
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: liked it. Vanderbilt was awesome. But uh, and the end decision,

721
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, I got drafted. I really liked the number

722
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: and pulled the trigger on it, and I'm really happy

723
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: I did well.

724
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: The thing that you mentioned there about already going to

725
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: Vandy and taking the summer class is this has kind

726
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: of been some of a controversy the last few years

727
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 1: where they moved the draft date. It's a little later

728
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: than it used to be, so it creates that awkward

729
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: situation whereas you said, you're already like proceeding as if

730
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: you might go to college and you don't know yet,

731
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: the draft hasn't come yet, and now you get the

732
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: reverse course and you're allowed to do that. I'm sure

733
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: from your perspective and other guys you may have talked to,

734
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: do you think it is you think it'd make more

735
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: sense the drafts kind of moved back earlier the way

736
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: that it used to be in June instead of pretty

737
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: deep into July.

738
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: You think, because like it is, it was.

739
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: It was super weird because I had to I moved

740
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: in and then a week later I moved out of

741
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: my dorm. But like while I was there with like

742
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: Sal Stewart, Brandon, Barry Era and other people that did

743
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: the same thing that I did.

744
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 4: So it's it's definitely, it's definitely weird, for sure.

745
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be easier selfishly from my perspective. They moved

746
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: it to line it up with the All Star events

747
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: now on the calendar, and it's like everything is happening

748
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: at once, and sometimes the draft gets buried underneath all

749
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: the major league stuff just because they did that. I'm

750
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: not a fan of it.

751
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of ye.

752
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: Now getting more to the technical part of it, your

753
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: pitch mix. You have a pretty deep pitch mix for

754
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: a guy that is relatively new to pitching and new

755
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: to pro ball. Could you lead us through, you know,

756
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: each of the different pitches that you have in your arsenal,

757
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: in the situations that you like to use them, how

758
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: they kind of play off each other.

759
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got a fastball, curveball, change up, and

760
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: then sometimes my curveball moves like a slider, so people

761
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: think it's a slider, but the whole time it's a curveball.

762
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, so like and the mix kind of you know,

763
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of new to me, and it's it's

764
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: kind of something new because you can't just go you know,

765
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: it's not high school you can just blow fastballs by people, Like,

766
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: so it's I'm kind of learning how to use my pitches.

767
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: But uh, obviously, like you have to fastball up, curveball down,

768
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: or if like it's kind of reading swings, so you'll like, I.

769
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: Gotta follow a fastball back.

770
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: You're like, all that guy's on it, Like I probably

771
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: should throw it again, so like slow down his bat

772
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: with the change up or his bath to change up.

773
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: So it's like and our our pitching coach name is

774
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: dish He does.

775
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: A really good job of helping me with that, so

776
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: it's like it's kind of new to me, but I'm

777
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: slowly figuring it out right.

778
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: That's pitching coach Glenn Dishman out with Jupiter for people

779
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: that aren't familiar with him. From what I'm seeing, that

780
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: fastball has been your primary pitch, using it maybe almost

781
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: two thirds of the time in the games that we've

782
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: had tracked in in Jupiter and in Low eight so far.

783
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: I mean, which of the individual pitches do you think

784
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: would you call your favorite at this point and is

785
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: there any particular one that this season you're focused most

786
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: on developing, improving, getting more consistent with.

787
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously my favorite, it's gotta be the fastball.

788
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: I really love my fastball. I like to I can

789
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: place it pretty much anywhere I want like it. But uh,

790
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: we worked on my change up a lot this spring

791
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: training in early camp, and that's slowly becoming one of

792
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: my favorite pitches.

793
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: It's just because it's kind of new, and whenever I

794
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 4: throw like a good one, it's it's a really good

795
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 4: feeling because it's kind of like relief or like, oh,

796
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: I've been working on that for so long. I sure

797
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 4: a good one, you know, so I just feels so good.

798
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: That's a specialty of the Marlins Org. I'm sure you're

799
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: aware that, of guys developing them pretty quickly and becoming

800
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: somebody like Santi al Contra all of a sudden it

801
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: became his very best pitch last year when he broke

802
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: out and won the Sie Young as a pitch they

803
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: didn't even have when he was your age. Yeah, there's

804
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of examples of that of guys

805
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: like getting They usually tell me that it's just a

806
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: certain number of reps. Right after a while, you just

807
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: throw it as much as possible, maybe play catch with

808
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: it more often than you used to, and then eventually

809
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: it just clicks. Is that what you're kind of figuring out?

810
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like it's like, I've never really threw

811
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: a change up in high school. There's no reason to

812
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: throw a change up, but here it's it's like the

813
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: first week they had me here, had me pick out

814
00:44:59,160 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: a grip.

815
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 4: He's like, what feels comfortable to you?

816
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: So just had my grip and then Yeah, just throwing

817
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: it a ton That's like the best.

818
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: Way to develop.

819
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: It's just throw It's like it's I threw it like

820
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: all the time in spring training, and like they even

821
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: tell you that, like I don't care if it's over

822
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: the guy's head. I don't care if he hits it

823
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: at five hundred feet. You know, you can't develop it

824
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: if you don't throw it.

825
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: So gotcha.

826
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: We're here with carsonvill Brant here on the Official Show,

827
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: getting back to your fastball sitting about ninety four so

828
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: far from what I've seen in games this season, and

829
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: more so than the velo. It's about the movement that

830
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: you get on this pitch, both the late life that

831
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: you have both horizontally to the arm side and then

832
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: the way that it dips sorts the ends. It's pretty terrific.

833
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Like just it just measures out pretty similar to a

834
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: lot of major league caliber fastballs that we've seen out there.

835
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: Even as young as you are, do you have any

836
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: like theories as to why it is you get that

837
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: great late life on it that all of a sudden,

838
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: that that great, great movement that you get that is

839
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: ready serving you pretty good right now, But even moving forward,

840
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: it gives you so much potential with that pitch.

841
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly have no idea. I just kind of throw.

842
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: It's like a normal fastball. But I do have huge hands,

843
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: so some of like all my coaches, I've always said, like,

844
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: you're like, the ball looks really small in my hands,

845
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: so they could be the big hands.

846
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: I honestly have no idea. Interesting.

847
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, the hand size, that's something that comes up

848
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: more and talking about football quarterbacks and the way that

849
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: they forbid in that way. Yeah, they in baseball. Yeah,

850
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: it gives up. There are certain guys I know with

851
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: all speed pitches where if you have really long fingers,

852
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: maybe that will help you. But you think it's just

853
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: your overall hand size.

854
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: I have no idea. If I fixed anything, i'd say

855
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: it's hand size. It's just a normal for team. But obviously,

856
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: like I've heard, it spends really good and it's got

857
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: a good movement.

858
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: Got it. Now, talking about pitching at the low A level,

859
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: the way that you're doing right now, I'm just curious

860
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: about what it's like preparing for those starts and what

861
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: it is that you're trying to achieve in those starts,

862
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: because the goal is different than obviously at the higher

863
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: higher levels of baseball, it's prioritizing developments, whether more so

864
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: than actually sometimes even more so than actually winning or

865
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: losing the games. Is there, and you're also pitching it

866
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Speaker 1: at a level where it's it's hooked up to a

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Speaker 1: lot of the same stat tracking that we get in

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Speaker 1: the majors. So if you really want to, like you

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Speaker 1: can get all these details about the way that you're

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball and the analytics behind that, and the

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Speaker 1: same thing with all the opponents that you're facing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how much do you dive into those numbers when you're

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Speaker 1: either preparing for a start or when you're like evaluating

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Speaker 1: what you did after the fact.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so before the start.

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Speaker 2: I throw on Fridays, So we first game of the

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Speaker 2: series is twoues today, So I watched three games and

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Speaker 2: I book the game before I throw, So it's kind

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Speaker 2: of like I don't really dig dig into like the

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Speaker 2: numbers that they're hitting, but it's you can kind of

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Speaker 2: see it. But after it's actually really cool because like

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Speaker 2: it is, there is a lot of like data and

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Speaker 2: stuff on my pitches throughout like the game, So that's

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Speaker 2: really cool to see and you can kind of see

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Speaker 2: where it plays, like maybe why the guy hit this pitch,

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Speaker 2: or maybe I shouldn't have thrown that pitch at this time.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of cool to see.

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Speaker 1: That stuff in Aside from that, I noticed that you

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Speaker 1: made your Jupiter debut it was less September and you

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Speaker 1: were throwing to Cameron Barstead in that game, and for

891
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Speaker 1: most of your starts this year you were thrown to

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Speaker 1: Barstead as well. He recently got moved up to high A.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering from a pitcher's perspective, when you have a

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Speaker 1: guy that you're familiar with, that you work with a lot,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden working with a different catcher

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Speaker 1: because of reasons kind of outside your control. Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: does that affect things? That having a different How does

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Speaker 1: that How what is the value of that relationship went

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Speaker 1: right now? And like how does it change when you

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Speaker 1: have a different catcher all of a sudden responsible for

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Speaker 1: you the next time out?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I see Barsad's awesome. He's he knows how to call

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Speaker 2: a game. He's very good at what he does. He's

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Speaker 2: really good behind the play. We were like we'd go

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Speaker 2: out to launch our breakfast, you know, we'd hang out

907
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Speaker 2: a lot I had Sam Prydor. Yeah, but it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of the same thing. It's like kind of

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Speaker 2: a different bill behind the play. But they're both very

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Speaker 2: good at what they do, and I like them a lot.

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Speaker 1: In terms of other things, such as your total pitch count,

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Speaker 1: how many innings you're going to go, you're in an

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Speaker 1: interesting spot where the team obviously once you develop as

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Speaker 1: much as possible, but they understand that you're not used

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Speaker 1: to throwing a certain number of innings. So for a

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Speaker 1: season that started in April, and as you mentioned, you've

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Speaker 1: been early camp started in January, Like, there's a certain

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Speaker 1: limit I guess where by the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: They want to make sure that you don't go too far.

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Speaker 1: So is that stuff communicated to you in advance too,

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Speaker 1: like how many how far you're allowed to go in

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Speaker 1: this particular game, or do you just go as far

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Speaker 1: as you can until they say it's enough.

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Speaker 2: It's like five innings, they want you to go five

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Speaker 2: innings or seventy five pitches, But I've thrown more than

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Speaker 2: seventy five pitches, so you can you can kind of

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Speaker 2: bend the line.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, So that's Carson mill Brandt He's going to

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Speaker 1: be featured right in the middle of our upcoming Fish

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Speaker 1: Stripes Top thirty list of top prospects in this organization.

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Speaker 1: Somebuddy that like the numbers and the IT tests are

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Speaker 1: like really trending in your way right now from what

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Speaker 1: I've been able to see when you pitching in Jupiter.

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Speaker 1: And Yeah, I'm actually gonna have some of my staff

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Speaker 1: out there in Jupiter to cover some of the games.

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Speaker 1: I don't I think they're gonna miss you. I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to go on Jacob Miller Day on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: just because of the way that the schedule lined up now.

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Speaker 1: But this is really insightful, Carson. I appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: on with me. They were keeping tracking super closely the

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Speaker 1: rest of this year. Only nineteen years old and it's

942
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Speaker 1: it's really exciting to have you in the Marlins organization.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for taking the time for this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: So I've been eli Susman here on the official show

946
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Speaker 1: on the fish on First podcast channel. Subscribe to us

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your pods and check out Carson if

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Speaker 1: you're in the Jupiter area. Most of we were in

949
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Speaker 1: the South Florida area, just make the drive up. Plenty

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Speaker 1: of available seats to see him pitch on most Fridays, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: throughout this entire season. So that's gonna do it for us.

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Speaker 1: Go fish m