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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What do we have, Chrystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of interesting stories this morning. So

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Speaker 1: we've got kind of a depressing look at the twenty

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Speaker 1: unlikability of Donald Trump even though he looked to be

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Speaker 1: the matchup. So we'll take into some of those numbers.

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Speaker 1: Also a bit of a test case for abortion in

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Speaker 1: Ohio ballot measure there with some surprising potential results. We

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Speaker 1: also have updates for you on Ukraine and how the

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Speaker 1: American people feel about those cluster bombs that are being

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Speaker 1: sent over by our own government. Also some disturbing news

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Speaker 3: Like Shamil, it's a whole lot. There's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot going on there. There's also a

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Speaker 1: lot going on with Pinky Doll. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you guys are familiar with this new creator sensation on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: We'll explain it in a bit. It's it is interesting

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it is kind of fasting, so we'll get

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Speaker 1: Very excited about all of that, but also excited about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go and put it up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Look at that beautiful graphic.

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Speaker 2: We've got two of them, Vivik Ramaswami, who recently tied

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Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis in one poll for number two in the

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Speaker 2: primary race, and then North Dakota Governor Doug Bergom. These

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Speaker 2: major us in the studio. Burgham in a matter very

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Speaker 2: good for our show. Christ Will just qualified for the

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Speaker 1: Biden's aids are really going above and beyond to try

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Speaker 1: The headline is note cards and shorter Stairs, how Biden's

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Speaker 2: I love the anecdotes also within this crystal about how

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Speaker 3: There's quite a bit of protocol that is involved here.

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Speaker 2: almost every sitting president made regular use of the normal stairs.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they said in this article that JFK used these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that Kennedy Vigor had a little bit

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Speaker 1: Listen. I'm in favor of the President of the United

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Speaker 4: Listen, Judge Cannon in Florida, you let the country down.

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Speaker 1: the other hand, you've got biden Age concerns, and you

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Speaker 1: also have a Cornell Last hanging out there, who is

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Speaker 1: going to be very likely the Green Party nominee is

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Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot in a lot of states,

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Speaker 1: and I do think that could also have a major

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Speaker 1: impact on a race that could be razor tights. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of wildcards up in the air, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just look at it. I'm like, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: imagine that either of these duce is going to be

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Speaker 1: elected again. But right now as it stands, without a

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Speaker 1: major plot twist coming, which you never know, that is

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Speaker 1: how things look. Let's take a look at one of

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Speaker 1: those issues that I just name check, which is abortion.

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Speaker 1: There's a bit of a Bellweather test of abortion rights

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Speaker 1: in what has now become a red state of Ohio,

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Speaker 1: which is the state that has probably moved the furthest

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Speaker 1: the fastest to the right in the Trump era. Go

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Speaker 1: ahead and put this up on the screen. So there's

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Speaker 1: a proposed bio constitutional amendment that would enshrine abortion rights.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you some of the more details on what

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Speaker 1: exactly this amendment would do, but it's in favor of

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Speaker 1: abortion rights. And this poll from USA Today finds significant

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Speaker 1: support even in the red state of Ohio for this

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Speaker 1: pro choice constitutional amendment. It is supported by a double

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Speaker 1: digit margin fifty eight to thirty two, has significant support

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Speaker 1: across partisan lines, including a third of Republicans, so not

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Speaker 1: a majority of Republics, but a third of Republican is

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Speaker 1: pretty sizable, and a stunning eighty five percent of independent women. Now,

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Speaker 1: this was actually fascinating, at least according to this poll,

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Speaker 1: independent women actually supported this pro choice ballot initiative by

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Speaker 1: a slightly larger number than even Democratic women, So the

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Speaker 1: independent women were the strongest backer of this. There was

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Speaker 1: a bit of a gender divide here. Women supported the

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Speaker 1: measure sixty four to two, twenty eight men still backed

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Speaker 1: it fifty to thirty seven. White respondents backed at fifty

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Speaker 1: seven to thirty four. Minority respondents backed at even more

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Speaker 1: strongly sixty six to twenty four. Majority of those at

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Speaker 1: all levels of education express the poor, from those with

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Speaker 1: no more than a high school diploma fifty two to

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Speaker 1: thirty nine to those with postgrad degrees sixty five to

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Speaker 1: twenty six. So, you know, this is a bit of

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Speaker 1: a test case. There are has long been, you know,

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Speaker 1: a strategy of George W. Bush used to do this

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Speaker 1: as well, getting ballot initiatives onto state ballots to try

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Speaker 1: to drive up turnout when it's an issue that is

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Speaker 1: important to a group of voters. So this is potentially

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Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot this fall in Ohio

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Speaker 1: and one that's going to be closely watched for whether

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Speaker 1: the jobs decision and the overturning of Roe versus Weighed

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Speaker 1: remains the motivating factor and motivating issue that it certainly

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Speaker 1: appeared to be in the midterm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ohio law says all you need is fifty

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Speaker 2: plus one in order to win the if you don't

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Speaker 2: need a supermajority to pass in the ballot measure or

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Speaker 2: to amend the state constitution, which is kind of crazy actually,

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Speaker 2: whenever you think about it. Let's look back to trip

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Speaker 2: down memory lane at Kentucky, the red estate so far

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Speaker 2: to actually have a statewide referendum on abortion, rejecting the

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Speaker 2: constitutional amendment that would have banned it, and they rejected

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Speaker 2: it at fifty two point three percent of the vote

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Speaker 2: to forty seven point seven. So even in Kentucky, which

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Speaker 2: is a hard read state which Trump and McConnell and

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Speaker 2: all of them have done incredibly well in, they have

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Speaker 2: not been able to prevail. Kansas was another one that

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Speaker 2: we can't forget where it went down Michigan. It seems

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Speaker 2: so clear to me that the entire Michigan twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: two election, both on Whitmer and on all of the

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Speaker 2: downstream like candidates, had a massive upswing because they had

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Speaker 2: that law existing laws on the books, and abortion was

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Speaker 2: such a central issue there. Sam in Wisconsin from what

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Speaker 2: we've been able to gleam as well. So you know,

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Speaker 2: in all of these cases the industrial Midwest, of which

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Speaker 2: we've been able to get a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: sample size, including deep red states, we can say that

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Speaker 2: we can say pretty definitively that abortion or at least

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Speaker 2: restricting abortion to an entirely pro life stance seems to

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Speaker 2: be very very unpopular. Now I'll try and steal man

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Speaker 2: it like I guess a little bit. Ohio is a

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Speaker 2: bit different in general. They have a much more Catholic

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Speaker 2: and evangelical population than the other industrial Midwestern states.

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Speaker 3: They're much harder read, as they say.

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Speaker 2: You know, they talk about in there the two thousand

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Speaker 2: and four same sex You know, the gay marriage fights

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Speaker 2: from two thousand and four were pretty vicious in Ohio,

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Speaker 2: not only twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: So it's a little bit more religious, maybe more likely.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if I were to peg it against Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: I just think that if we compare those two, then

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we have a decent enough sample size.

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Speaker 3: And I've always said this.

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Speaker 2: You know, over one third of voters who voted for

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Speaker 2: Trump in twenty sixteen were pro choice, I mean, and

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Speaker 2: not a lot of Republican elites want to grapple with

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Speaker 2: that fact. That's why you get to the row consensus

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Speaker 2: around to sixty seven percent. Well, you know, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: take a genius. We got a fifty to fifty country.

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Speaker 2: You take fifty and then you add one third of right,

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Speaker 2: they're party, What do you get to around sixty five percent.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty much almost exactly where things seem to shake out,

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Speaker 2: even in red states whenever we're looking at some of

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Speaker 2: this polling, So it's not a shocker if you actually

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Speaker 2: pay attention.

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Speaker 1: The polling for abortion rights has largely shown that Postdobbs,

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Speaker 1: support for the pro choice position has gone up. I

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Speaker 1: do think in Ohio, I wanted to note some of

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Speaker 1: the specifics about what this constitutional amendment would actually do.

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Speaker 1: It basically would enshrine Roe versus Wade as the law

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Speaker 1: of land in Ohio, so abortion could be banned after

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Speaker 1: viability when a fetus could survive outside the womb. That's

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Speaker 1: basically how things were before Roe was overturned. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it would be bringing that state of affairs back to Ohio.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Kentucky. I have to mention this, even those

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Speaker 1: a little bit off topic. They have their gubernatorial election

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Speaker 1: this year. They currently have a Democratic governor in Sheer,

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Speaker 1: whose dad had also been governor previously, so the the

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Speaker 1: Sheer name very well known in the state of Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: He was on the right side of the teachers strike

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Speaker 1: and really, you know, build a lot of credibility there.

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Speaker 1: He numbers just came out. He's one of the most

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Speaker 1: popular governors in the country and he's a Democrat who

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Speaker 1: is in a very red state. I've forgotten the numbers,

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Speaker 1: but a huge proportion of people who don't like Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden still like Andy Basheer. He's up against very strong

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Speaker 1: I think Republican can tender the ag Daniel Cameron, and

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Speaker 1: the poll show him in the lead right now. So

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Speaker 1: interesting state Kentucky is not as predictable as people always think,

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Speaker 1: especially at the state level. But on the polling front

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Speaker 1: with regards to abortion, I do want to throw in

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Speaker 1: this caveat that you know, people feel very mixed on

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Speaker 1: this issue, and it depends a lot on how the

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Speaker 1: question is even freeze and how it is asked. So

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So this poll, and

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Speaker 1: I think this was a Harvard Harris poll, ask people

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Speaker 1: do you think Supreme Court was right or wrong in

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Speaker 1: each of the following recent rulings. And one of the

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Speaker 1: questions was abortion laws should be left to the states

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Speaker 1: instead of being a national constitutional right. So basically the

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Speaker 1: quiet here is do you think that Dobbs was correctly decided?

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Speaker 1: But they asked it in this way of like abortion

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Speaker 1: should be left to the states. Well, fift a majority

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Speaker 1: actually agreed with that position. They're like, yeah, sure, it

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Speaker 1: should be left to the states, fifty six percent to

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Speaker 1: forty four percent. Whereas if you ask it a different

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Speaker 1: way and you ask about the Supreme Court overturning Roe

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Speaker 1: versus Wade and whether it was correctly decided, you get

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Speaker 1: a polar opposite result. The poll that I found had

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Speaker 1: thirty seven percent agreeing that Roe versus Wade was correctly

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Speaker 1: decided overturning Roe versus Wade was correctly decided versus sixty

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Speaker 1: three percent that disagrees, So completely opposite results just based

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Speaker 1: on how it's being asked. So you can see why

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Speaker 1: so many Republicans. I think Governor Hutchinson when we talked

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Speaker 1: to him presidential contender on the GOP side, you know,

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Speaker 1: he really leaned into the messaging of like, I think

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Speaker 1: it should be left up to the states. We're interviewing

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Speaker 1: Governor dog burgham North Dakota governor who signed a very

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Speaker 1: restrictive law as governor of North Dakota, and you know

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Speaker 1: when he had the opportunity to do that, but he

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Speaker 1: uses very similar language about it should be left up

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Speaker 1: to the states. You can see why they're doing that,

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Speaker 1: because they're on decent ground there. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: what is actually coming up for votes and the ballot

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Speaker 1: initiatives that are coming out and the legislators that people

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Speaker 1: are voting for, and the framing of this issue, it

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Speaker 1: has so far been pretty devastating for Republicans.

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Speaker 2: I agree, and I think that the Democrats need to

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Speaker 2: have a concerted effort to drive out votes to just say,

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Speaker 2: row the Row consensus is what is on the back, like,

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Speaker 2: very clearly, this is what we are defending. We just

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Speaker 2: want to return to the previous system, which was achy

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Speaker 2: but which most people privately were like, yeah, pretty much

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Speaker 2: okay with it. And as long as you stick within

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Speaker 2: that framework, I really think it's actually a Bill Clinton

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Speaker 2: esque almost nineteen ninety two s era message safe, legal

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Speaker 2: and rare.

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Speaker 3: The more you depart from that and you try and

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Speaker 3: defend like late.

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Speaker 2: Term abortion up until like nine months and all that,

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Speaker 2: that's when the Republicans generally do seem to win. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the state message is going to be important, but that's

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Speaker 2: also been flipped around. I've seen actually quite cleverly by

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Speaker 2: some Democratic lawmakers who will come out and will say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right, it should be left up with states. So

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Speaker 2: that's why we need a state ballot measure. Go ahead,

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Speaker 2: let the state decide, you know, not, why should the

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Speaker 2: state legasure? Right, Let the people actually weigh in. And

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Speaker 2: when that happens, of course they know they're on good footing,

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Speaker 2: and it dramatically drives up well out.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that you can't just lean into it

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Speaker 1: should be left to the states when you have active

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Speaker 1: efforts at the national level to codify a ban at

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Speaker 1: the federal level. So it's like, okay, well, should it

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Speaker 1: be left to the states or are you all pushing

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Speaker 1: for a lot more at the federal level. You've got

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Speaker 1: presdential contenders like Mike Pence, even though you know he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be the Republican nominee, but he still has

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Speaker 1: a loud voice within the Republican Party and certainly in

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Speaker 1: terms of media coverage pushing for an out and out

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Speaker 1: national ban. And you have quite a few members of

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Speaker 1: Republican members of Congress who are on board with that.

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Speaker 1: So really makes it more difficult to message should be

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Speaker 1: left to the states when they're not actually interestedly made

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Speaker 1: into the states.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're right, and that is why, you know,

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Speaker 2: Lindsay Grant, I actually still think I'm curious what you do,

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Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham. Remember when you got in trouble with the

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Speaker 2: Republicans for proposing fifteen weeks. In my reading of that,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't putting abortion up. It's they were like, no, no, Privately, Lindsay,

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Speaker 2: They're like, we want way less than this, Like, we.

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Speaker 3: Don't want fifteen weeks.

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Speaker 2: Why are you trying to tie us to something which

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Speaker 2: is more or less restrictive than what we've actually been

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Speaker 2: able to sign in the States. That's kind of how

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Speaker 2: I was reading it whenever you put it forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. They were mad.

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Speaker 1: They were like, fifteen isn't stringent enough, right, it needs

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Speaker 1: to be twelve, it needs to be six. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what you see being pushed by conservative activists at

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Speaker 1: the state level. The people who are most invested in

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Speaker 1: this issue are the people who have the most fringed positions.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the pushback was I mean, I think there

656
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Speaker 1: were a lot of feelings about that of just like,

657
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Speaker 1: you know, this sort of satis satisfies no one. You're

658
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Speaker 1: pushing for a national abortion ban. But then you're not

659
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Speaker 1: going furtherm far enough to satisfy our own activist base.

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Speaker 1: So it made it kind of a muddle. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot more politically palatable position, certainly than six

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Speaker 1: weeks or the moment of conception and some of the

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Speaker 1: other things that have been pushed at the state level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll keep an eye on it could be

665
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Speaker 2: a very interesting Bellweather race. Major news in terms of

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Speaker 2: how Americans are feeling about what's going on in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: A recent poll actually found the fifty one percent disapprove

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Speaker 2: of the Biden decision to send cluster bombs to Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: more than half of respondents saying that they disapprove of

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Speaker 2: that decision. What's interesting to me, Crystal, is that an

671
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Speaker 2: outright majority disapproved of it, and really only thirty nine

672
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Speaker 2: percent said they approved, with the don't know figure at

673
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Speaker 2: eleven percent, meaning that an outright majority knew enough in

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Speaker 2: this Quinnipiac pole to say, no, we actually don't approve

675
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Speaker 2: of this at all. The reason why I'm very happy

676
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Speaker 2: with this decision to actually poll the actual policy is

677
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Speaker 2: Ukraine hawks always say.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Seventy something percent of people

679
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Speaker 3: say we should help Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: That's not what's at stake here, hasn't been at stake

681
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Speaker 2: now for a long time, to what extent twenty five billion,

682
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Speaker 2: fifty billion, just so everyone knows, out of the goodness

683
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Speaker 2: of the Pentagon's heart, we are shipping four hundred million

684
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Speaker 2: dollars more today.

685
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Speaker 3: This is just a routine announcement.

686
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Speaker 2: It's more than the size of major nation states that

687
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Speaker 2: we just not a single news outlet is putting it

688
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: on their front page when it couldn't actually be more

689
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Speaker 2: important to the fate of the world. What they specifically

690
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: did here also is important is that the question said

691
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Speaker 2: that Biden made this decision quote despite concern from rights

692
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Speaker 2: groups that they endanger civilians before then asking when they

693
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Speaker 2: approve or just approve.

694
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Speaker 3: Another important thing.

695
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Speaker 2: We're actually giving the American people context in this decision,

696
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Speaker 2: and they come out and they're like, hold on a.

697
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Speaker 3: Second, we're supporting Ukraine. Ostensibly.

698
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Speaker 2: If you ask the average normany who's like got a

699
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Speaker 2: Ukraine flag out of their house and you ask me like, hey,

700
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Speaker 2: why do you got the flag, They're like, I'm against

701
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Speaker 2: I'm for freedom, I'm against like unprovoked aggression.

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Speaker 3: And I'm for you know, the moral like the moral

703
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Speaker 3: helping of.

704
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Speaker 2: The Ukrainian government and they're like, well, we just gave

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Speaker 2: them weapons of which they're going to basically bombard the

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Speaker 2: front lines and create a unlivable mess for centuries. This

707
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Speaker 2: is not my language. This is actually according to landmine experts,

708
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Speaker 2: who are saying that demining this area will take decades

709
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Speaker 2: and will cause human havoc regardless of whether the war

710
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Speaker 2: is going on or not. Well, then people are like,

711
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Speaker 2: hold on a second. The no fly zone was a

712
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Speaker 2: perfect example of this as well. People were like, should

713
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Speaker 2: we help Ukraine, Yes, overwhelmingly no fly zone. They were like,

714
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Speaker 2: well maybe, and they're like, no fly zone means that

715
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Speaker 2: we have to go to war with Russia.

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Speaker 3: They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not on board with

717
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Speaker 3: this at all.

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Speaker 2: This is why, and this question really proves you have

719
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Speaker 2: to frame things correctly, and the dishonest framing by the

720
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Speaker 2: media and by the Biden administration not presenting the risks,

721
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Speaker 2: the pros, the balances and all of that to the

722
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Speaker 2: American people is such a disservice. I'm reading a book

723
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Speaker 2: right now called Stalin's War. It's about It's a fantastic book.

724
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Speaker 2: By the way, Sean mckeeon shout out to him, and

725
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Speaker 2: in it they talk a lot about the way that

726
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Speaker 2: the Roosevelt administration kind of maneuvered behind the scenes in

727
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Speaker 2: terms of lend lease. But what strikes me is that

728
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Speaker 2: President Roosevelt always made a concerted effort, even though he

729
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Speaker 2: was kind of having machinations, to sit and to talk

730
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Speaker 2: to the American people about the decisions that he was

731
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Speaker 2: making about why the Arsenal democracy speech, the strategic calculus,

732
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Speaker 2: he was very careful to try and sell his program

733
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Speaker 2: and create tremendous buy in and use his popularity to

734
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Speaker 2: guide people to a position of which was not all

735
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Speaker 2: that popular at the time. President Biden, though he never

736
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Speaker 2: gives us that ability. He never sits and actually speaks

737
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Speaker 2: to the American people matter of factly. I mean, you

738
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Speaker 2: could make the case for cluster munitions, but he never

739
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Speaker 2: made the case. He just unilaterally signed off and then

740
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Speaker 2: allows his apparatricks to defend the decision.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I think those are all really important points. I mean,

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Speaker 1: on the news media point, I'm not even asking for

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Speaker 1: them to not make the Ukraine hawk case. I'm just

745
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Speaker 1: asking for both sides to be presented and for the

746
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Speaker 1: risk in the trade offs to be elucidated. And I

747
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: have found it terrifying from the beginning that that has

748
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: never been the case. I mean you almost you uniformly,

749
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Speaker 1: like nine percent of the commentary that you see on

750
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Speaker 1: cable news is all in one direction. You've got all

751
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Speaker 1: these people who have you know, they're sitting on boards

752
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Speaker 1: of defense contractors. They stand to make a bunch of

753
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: money off of this war and any other war besides,

754
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Speaker 1: and that's never disclosed. And so you get this very

755
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Speaker 1: one dimensional picture. And yet even with that very one

756
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Speaker 1: dimensional picture that has been painted for the American people,

757
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Speaker 1: you still have a majority here saying this is too far,

758
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Speaker 1: this is inconsistent with the values that you told me

759
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Speaker 1: we're supposed to be standing up for in this fight. Noah,

760
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Speaker 1: don't want to be associated with you know, these horrific

761
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Speaker 1: cluster munitions, cluster bombs that are going to maim children

762
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Speaker 1: for years and years to come, and which take a

763
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Speaker 1: greater toll on civilians than they do on the you know,

764
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Speaker 1: soldiers that you are supposed to be fighting. So no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. We shouldn't be on board with this. I

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Speaker 1: think your point about the communication from the president is

767
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Speaker 1: really key as well, and I don't think this is

768
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Speaker 1: just a trend under Biden. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: sort of multi decade trend. It's part of an anti

770
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Speaker 1: populist trend where there's content for the American people. They

771
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Speaker 1: believe this was illustrated, you know, from doctor Fauci during

772
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Speaker 1: COVID and from many other official Besides, they don't believe

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Speaker 1: that the American people can handle nuance. They don't believe

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Speaker 1: that they can handle a complex situation where there are

775
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Speaker 1: pros and cons and where there are risks and challenges

776
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Speaker 1: to balance. And so rather than actually level with people

777
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: and present facts and truth and the way the world,

778
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: the complicated way the world actually is, they try to

779
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Speaker 1: really manage the emotions to the American people. They try

780
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Speaker 1: to hide certain facts from them, and you know, really

781
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: just manufacture consent in that way, is the bottom line.

782
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Speaker 1: So I think that's a long term trend of you know,

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Speaker 1: at bottom, contempt for the American people, and which means

784
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Speaker 1: contempt for democracy too.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is the modus operandi of the

786
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Speaker 2: military industrial complex and of the Pentagon and most of

787
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Speaker 2: our presidents basically post Vietnam, they have never been upfront

788
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Speaker 2: with us, even during the Vietnam War.

789
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Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, it's just a few military advisors. Don't

790
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: worry about it. They're like, wait, half a million people

791
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Speaker 3: are in Vietnam. What the hell is going on? How

792
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: many people are dying today?

793
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Speaker 2: And then of course public opain and goes ahead and

794
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: turns against it. Now, of course American soldiers are not

795
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Speaker 2: on the ground, or at least from what we know

796
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: so far, and not on the ground in Ukraine. And

797
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: in terms of my CIA when OCIA ops probably former

798
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Speaker 2: soldiers certainly are. Though. The thing is is that even

799
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: the media now is at a point where they're beginning

800
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Speaker 2: to hint a little bit towards the truth about what's

801
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Speaker 2: going on on the ground. Let's put this up there

802
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: on the screen. You gotta love the framing of this too.

803
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Speaker 2: Crystal from the Wall Street Journal, Herdock's personal outlet, Ukraine's

804
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 2: lack of weaponry and training risk stalemate in fight with Russia.

805
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Speaker 3: Interesting lack of weaponry? Now, who's providing with them with

806
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: that weaponry?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

808
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Speaker 4: Right?

809
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Speaker 3: The United States?

810
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Speaker 2: And actually what they point to, at least honestly within

811
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Speaker 2: this is that without a significant, continuing, increasing massive investment

812
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Speaker 2: by the United States, that Ukraine will very likely be

813
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: able to dislodge the Russian defenses in the current counter

814
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Speaker 2: offensive on the front line, because really they have exhausted

815
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Speaker 2: much of their ammunition that we've provided them, many of

816
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: the weapons, the tanks and all that have not been

817
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: able to be put to the use of that we

818
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: would and combined arms whenever we would use them in

819
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: a tactical situation, and overall over and over again. Within this,

820
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Speaker 2: when you read past the headline, which is obviously pleading

821
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Speaker 2: for more, they say very specifically that at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day they can't do it without a continuing

823
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Speaker 2: and massive more amount of war material, maybe to the

824
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Speaker 2: tune of fifty to one hundred, which is not going

825
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Speaker 2: to happen, nor should it happen, you know, considering how

826
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Speaker 2: much that we have provided them, or even the European powers,

827
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Speaker 2: who at least appear tapped. Let's put this up there

828
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Speaker 2: as well from the New York Times doing the exact

829
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Speaker 2: same thing, of course, always you know, whitewashing what's happening.

830
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Speaker 2: After suffering heavy losses, Ukrainians paused to rethink strategy. Quote

831
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Speaker 2: early in the counter offensive, they lost as much as

832
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Speaker 2: twenty percent of weapons and armor the rate dropped as

833
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Speaker 2: the campaign slowed and commands are beginning to shift tactics.

834
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Speaker 2: By talking about shifting tactics, they just stop going forward.

835
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Speaker 2: So when you stop going forward, yeah, you're going to

836
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Speaker 2: stop losing as ment people. But if you're losing almost

837
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Speaker 2: one fifth of the amount of weapons and armor, you know,

838
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Speaker 2: just in the first couple of weeks of the opening gambit,

839
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Speaker 2: that does show you how terrific a war of attrition

840
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Speaker 2: actually goes, and about how much industrial might that you

841
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: need to keep plugging that whole day after day. You

842
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: need properly trained soldiers, or you need a hell of

843
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: a lot of soldiers like Russia has. I'm not saying

844
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Speaker 2: Russia can outright win the war. You know, they're incompetent enough,

845
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Speaker 2: and you know, basically backwards in terms of their military

846
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Speaker 2: tactics that they effectively have ruled that out for like

847
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Speaker 2: a total takeover. But for where they're dug in right

848
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Speaker 2: now with one fifth of Ukrainian territory, it doesn't look

849
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Speaker 2: like they're going anywhere anytime soon right now, according to

850
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Speaker 2: all of these.

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Speaker 1: Reports, and again on the topic of leveling with the

852
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Speaker 1: American people, like I just want to know from the

853
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Speaker 1: White house, how they think this is going to end? Like,

854
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Speaker 1: what is how do you think this is going to

855
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: play out? What's your theory, what's your plan, what's your strategy,

856
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: what's your tactics?

857
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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What are you watching? What are you waiting for? What

859
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Speaker 1: are you going to push for? How do you see

860
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Speaker 1: this thing ever coming to some sort of a resolution?

861
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Speaker 1: What is the upper limit on the level of support?

862
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Speaker 1: Or do we just continue in this you know, escalation,

863
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Speaker 1: this slow escalation that we've been at from the beginning.

864
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if you have the Ukrainian hawk perspective,

865
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Speaker 1: like I obviously wildly disagree with this view, but I'm

866
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Speaker 1: actually sympathetic to the people who are on that side

867
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Speaker 1: who are like, well, if you are going to send

868
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Speaker 1: the US six, so you should have done this from

869
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Speaker 1: the beginning, I mean, because then they would have had

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Speaker 1: better chance from the jump, we might be in a

871
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Speaker 1: different place today. I'm actually kind of more sympathetic to

872
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: that at this point than whatever it is the Biden

873
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: administration is doing, which I honestly can't even explain. So

874
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: if I can't explain it, and you know, we really

875
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: try to follow this as closely as possible, how do

876
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: you think the American people feel about where this is

877
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: going and how this is all going to play out.

878
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I just want to hear from our commander in chief.

879
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: How does he think that this is ever going to

880
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: be resolved? How does he expect this will end? How

881
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: will we play a part in bringing this conflict to

882
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: a close, because right now I could not come close

883
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: to answering that question.

884
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: Well, instead, Krystal, what you get are secret releases from

885
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: the Pentagon, of which only people like you or I

886
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: will ever pay attention to, which says the Biden administration

887
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: is sending four hundred million dollars in additional military aid

888
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: to Ukraine, including a variety of munitions for advanced air

889
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: defense systems, a number of small surveillance hornet drones as

890
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: attacks in the war have escalated.

891
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: That's it.

892
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: That's all actually that you get. You don't get a

893
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: full rundown. You don't get the real accounting. The reason

894
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: they don't give you the real accounting is so they

895
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: can rig the numbers afterwards.

896
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: Back.

897
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, we had to devalue over we sent to Ukraine.

898
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: That wasn't the actual costs of what we said.

899
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, don't pay attention to our

900
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: diminishing weapon stock. So look, it's very clear here.

901
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: I also recommend these guys from War on the Rocks

902
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: Michael Kaufman, who we used significantly in the beginning of

903
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: the war. They just returned from a month long, you know,

904
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: sojourn in Ukraine. They were on the front line. They

905
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: talked to a lot of command. They are serious military.

906
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: They are backing up everything that we are saying, not

907
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: in terms of the political message, but in terms of

908
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: what the stalemate looks like, the lack of tactics, the

909
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: bad leadership, the inability to go forward without suffering massive losses.

910
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: And they're look, you know, these guys, they're not really

911
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: able to be political, I think because of where some

912
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: of the funding comes from and all that. But they're

913
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: very honest and it took actually a great amount of courage.

914
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: How much media pickup do you think, you know that

915
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: these guys get. Meanwhile, some idiot like Brett Stevens from

916
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: the New York Times goes on some show pony tour

917
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: around Kiev and he's.

918
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: Like, all, I just got back from Ukraine and the

919
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: resolve is tremendous, let me tell you. And it's like Okay, well,

920
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: who are you going to trust? Yeah, yeah, Max Boot.

921
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: You know it's like Max Boot and Brett Stevens going

922
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: on a like propaganda tour put on by those Zelensky

923
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: government or actual military experts who are on the front

924
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: line critically are not being actually paid by the US government,

925
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: coming back and being like, yeah, it's not good, guys,

926
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: things are really not going well over there. Maybe we'll

927
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: put a link in the description to some of their analysis,

928
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: because I really do think it's so important for anybody

929
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: who's interested in the actual tactical level of why things

930
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: aren't going and how that applies to the strategic.

931
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: World coin. You might be asking, what.

932
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: The hell's world already sounds dystopian?

933
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: Why are we.

934
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: Spending our time on said word coin. Well, let's put

935
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: this up there. Sam Altman of open Ai fame is

936
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: launching world Coin, which is quote an eyeball scanning crypto project.

937
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: Now I hate every word of that, but.

938
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm skeptical. I have an open mind. Let's continuing

939
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: to read.

940
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: Sam Altman's audacious eyeballing scanning crypto startup started a global

941
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: rollout of its services to help build a reliable solution

942
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 2: for quote distinguishing humans from AI online to enable quote

943
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: global democratic processes and quote drastically increase economic opportunity. Oh

944
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: oh my, and what exactly does said project do? Individuals

945
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 2: can then download the quote world app, the protocol compatible

946
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: wallet software. They will visit a quote orb, which is

947
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: a startups helmet shaped eyeball scanning verification device to then

948
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: receive their world ID. That way, world coin can quietly

949
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: go and sign up people all over the world. You

950
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: see what we're doing there in order to gain tokens

951
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: and use this as an identity verification tool from that

952
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: basically is across the internet and will enable identity verification

953
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: in the days of more sophisticated AI. I mean, I

954
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: guess on its face, you're like, yeah, you are solving

955
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: a problem. But then you have to think about it

956
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: a little bit more. Who created this problem? Well, Sam Altman,

957
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: he's the head of open AI and chat GPT. So

958
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: you created the problem and now you're selling us a solution.

959
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Second, you are scanning our eyeballs with a

960
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: literal ORB that we want to put helmet around, granting

961
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: this to a public company, and then effectively saying you

962
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: are going to be my new digital passport. I mean,

963
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: for all the people out there who are worried about

964
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: central bank, central bank digital currencies, centralized control, this seems

965
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: like a catastrophic nightmare in terms of privacy and in

966
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: terms of cooperation with governments. So if worldcoin becomes the

967
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: privatized standard, then the Chinese are just gonna be like, okay,

968
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: hand over every single eyeball that are inside of that,

969
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: or you don't get access to the biggest market in

970
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: the world. What have we always learned from Silicon Valley,

971
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: They're going to take that trade every day of the week.

972
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: Or you know, Eastern European governments, all kinds of Asian

973
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: or South Asian governments. We have no idea what protections

974
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: actually exist on this. And I guess what's even more

975
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: concerning is that some people are going to be doing

976
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: this of their own free will, literally signing up to

977
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: visit their local ORB to get their eyeball scanned. I mean,

978
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: I have to believe that at least some common sense

979
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: will prevail. But you know, recently, Crystal, I've been traveling

980
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: a lot internationally. The facial scan stuff out there is

981
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: incredibly creepy. When you board a flight sometimes to Europe.

982
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: They don't even scan your boarding pass anymore. They scan

983
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: your face and they're like Zager and Jetty Seat twelve D.

984
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hold on a second, where did you

985
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: get this? Where did this come from? Whose software is this?

986
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm standing in the United States. I assume that I

987
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: consented to this at some point in some contract, but

988
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 2: which one?

989
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: You know? It's like?

990
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: And then I was also part of a pilot program

991
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: whenever I came back. I forget which airport. I think

992
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: it was Dallas that I flew into. Yeah, it was

993
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: Dallas that I flew into from Mexico. And it was

994
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: the same thing where I never opted into Global Entry

995
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: or any of these programs, and the TSA was piloting

996
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: a facial scanning software. Where I walked in, TSA scanned

997
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: my face and it was like, welcome back to the

998
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: United States. I never opted into this program. Presumably it

999
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: comes from my passport photo or one of these other things.

1000
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: And I just remember coming away from me like, man,

1001
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: this is creepy as hell. Yeah, but this is the future.

1002
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you're starting to see it at Border Securities.

1003
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: How it starts, and soon it'll get to financial transact

1004
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: We already.

1005
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Had signistic instances of law enforcement using this facial scan

1006
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: technology and picking up the wrong people and alleging that

1007
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: they committed crimes that they were like literally not even

1008
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: in the state where the crime was committed. But it's

1009
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: not like they were just like, oh sorry and you

1010
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: get released. The particular man that I'm thinking of, they

1011
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: held him there for weeks, So, I mean, his whole

1012
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: life was turned upside down by this oopsies from you know,

1013
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: facial scanning technology. You know, the simple person. Some of

1014
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: this I'm going to say, I don't even know what

1015
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: it means. I can't run my head or like, okay,

1016
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: so you start with distinguishing humans from AI online. Okay,

1017
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: I know what that means, and that seems good. I

1018
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: would that seems really important actually going forward. Of course,

1019
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: as you said, Soccer's problem that Sam Altman was integral

1020
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: and creating. But if he wants to be bar of

1021
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: the solution to okay, it says drastically increased economic opportunity

1022
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: incredibly vague and highly unlikely would be my gut reaction

1023
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: this one, though, enable global democratic processes. That one. I

1024
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: have no idea what they mean. It's not really spelled

1025
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: out here. I don't understand this one. There's some more details,

1026
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: they say. As tech Crunch previously noted, world c is

1027
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: perhaps one of the most audacious efforts to bribe the

1028
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: world to embrace this particular crypto coin. The startup founded

1029
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: by opening I Ceo Altman and Alex Blania, wants to

1030
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: put a crypto wallet and some of their currency onto

1031
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: every human smartphone. But in order to do so, they

1032
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: have to build a way to determine whether someone is

1033
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: a unique human, and world Coin is basically the attempt

1034
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: at doing that. They've already rolled this out in some places,

1035
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: including in India, where they give people who agree to

1036
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: this scan and whatever to be in their system, they

1037
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: give them twenty five world Coin tokens. I have no

1038
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: idea what that's worth, but apparently there has been there

1039
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: have been some problems with that. They've been accused of

1040
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: exploitative practices, et cetera. So I guess the play here

1041
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: is kind of like the Elon Musk Twitter. I'm going

1042
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: to be fifty percent of a global financial services play.

1043
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: It's like a billionaire play towards world dominations. My simplistic

1044
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: take of what's going on here, and so frankly, it

1045
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: makes me very uncomfortable, and my best hope is that

1046
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: this is a fanciful, ridiculous scheme that falls flat on

1047
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: its face. That's what I'm hoping for.

1048
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: Well, and listen to this statement.

1049
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: If successful, world coin will drastically increase the economic opportunity,

1050
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: as you said, and then also enable a potential path

1051
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: to AI funded UBI.

1052
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: So how does that work?

1053
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: So you have your identity verified, so then you can

1054
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: have your instant depositive world tokens into.

1055
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 3: Your crypto wallet.

1056
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: I mean, all of this just seems like cooked up

1057
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: from the brain of Sam Altman, who clearly has these,

1058
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, almost transhumanist fantasies, of which obviously the tools

1059
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: for control become very obvious. Jack Dorsey has spoken out

1060
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: against world coin. Let's go and put this up there

1061
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: on the screen. He says, quote world great Coin is

1062
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: an attempt at global scale alignment.

1063
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: Cute.

1064
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: Jack has also been tweeting about the ORB and making

1065
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: fun of said ORB about going in and checking, you know,

1066
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: making sure to He says, visit the ORB or the

1067
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: ORB will visit you.

1068
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: Listen, as a woman named Crystal Ball, I'm not going

1069
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: to hate on the ORG, do you remember, that's everything

1070
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: I stand for.

1071
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: Do you remember the Trump orb whenever?

1072
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Saudi guys gathered around or that's an

1073
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: iconic photo.

1074
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: I do have to say, they're really memorable. You will

1075
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: never forget that.

1076
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what does that mean? The what does it

1077
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: says to put that back up on the screen? Because this,

1078
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: oh an attempt at global scale alignment which he took

1079
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: from that was one of the things that they said

1080
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: that prop state the press release or whatever, what does

1081
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: that mean?

1082
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: And also privately preserving digital identity how you know, through

1083
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: what mechanism, presumably through some like cryptography. I mean, listen,

1084
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: maybe you know, can it really not be cracked by

1085
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: a can it really not be cracked by a nation state? Secondly,

1086
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: it says you have to download the World app. I'm like,

1087
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: all right, so what permissions does said app actually have

1088
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: on my phone? The entire thing just seems incredibly creepy

1089
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: and totalitarian.

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00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: Look, I think we should have all learned the lesson

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00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: that handing power over to any one individual, good, bad,

1092
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: indifferent handing an increasing level of power to them without

1093
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: any sort of democratic check or accountability is not a

1094
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: great direction to go in. So even as I find

1095
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: some of this indecipherable, and I think it is intentionally indecipherable.

1096
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: I think that core principle of being very skeptical of

1097
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: handing you any aspect of your financial, personal, or privacy

1098
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: or identification life over to an entity run by one

1099
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: oligarchic individual, regardless of who they are and whether they're

1100
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: a nice person or smart person or whatever.

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00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: Not a great idea, absolutely right.

1102
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to the next part here, Pinky Doll, Oh,

1103
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: what the hell is going on? For those of you

1104
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: who are normal and not on the internet but have

1105
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: possibly come across said meme, here's a little bit of

1106
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 2: a preview. Pinky Doll is a TikTok creator, a streamer

1107
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: otherwise known as an NPC, who went viral for people

1108
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: who are paying her on said streams in order to

1109
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: act things out, but not in a like particularly engaging way,

1110
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: more in a nonplused, almost almost like removed way. So

1111
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: there's the best way I can describe it. Before we

1112
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: watch the video, let's take a watch.

1113
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: Goma feeling like a cowgirl.

1114
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 5: I mean, ready, it's huh heh, yes, you gotta finit

1115
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 5: in like a cowgirl.

1116
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: I mean ready. It's huh gang gang gang gay gang Gay.

1117
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: I ask you so good?

1118
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: Gang gang gang gang Yes, yes, yes, ganggay gang Gay,

1119
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 5: I ask.

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Speaker 3: You so good. Oh take it I am.

1121
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: Do you get me feel in like a queen?

1122
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 3: Hah? Yeah?

1123
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: This is late stage societal collapse people. Yes, let's go

1124
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: and put this up the next part up here. Think

1125
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: you doll's killing it right now. In terms of the

1126
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: New York Times, what they say is she said she

1127
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: has made between two thousand dollars and three thousand dollars

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00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: per stream across all social media accounts accounts which include

1129
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: Instagram and OnlyFans, and puts the number at some seven

1130
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: thousand dollars per day. Now very likely, after all this

1131
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: media attention that she's receiving, that number is going to

1132
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: go up even more.

1133
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 3: Let's do some quick back of the napkin math here.

1134
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: That is like two point five million dollars that she's

1135
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: getting on this stream. As the Times puts a quote

1136
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: in a typical performance, Miss Sinon, which is her real name,

1137
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: who is twenty seven and lives in Montreal, stares into

1138
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: a camera lens while delivering a set of canned phrases

1139
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: as she streams viewers sent her digital gifts in the

1140
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: form of cartoon items like roses, dinosaurs, and ice cream cones.

1141
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: Each item translates to a cash payment. The gifts then

1142
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: float onto the scream and she racks each one with

1143
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: the same cartoonish mannerisms. Her reaction to the ice cream

1144
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: cones is become a meme, saying quote ice cream so good.

1145
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: Will often speak in a sing song voice. Sometimes she

1146
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: pops corn kennels one at a time using a hot

1147
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: hair flat iron effect. Is mesmerizing, nestled deep within the

1148
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: uncanny valley. So I mean, look, I'm not a streamer.

1149
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: I've never particularly understood it, so I'm not of this culture.

1150
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: I don't really get this culture. I guess it's ironic

1151
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: since we make our living here on YouTube and on Spotify.

1152
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: But from what I can gather, this is a source

1153
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 2: of entertainment for a hell of a lot of people.

1154
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't particularly understand why. And this NPC meme and

1155
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: or phrase like being able to manipulate people's movements, I

1156
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: don't know what it taps into. I mean in a

1157
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: really gross way, like the sexualized stuff on the internet

1158
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: actually makes more sense than whatever the hell.

1159
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: Is going on I mean, I think for a lot

1160
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: of people, I think there is a sexual aspect to this.

1161
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: That's one thing that they debate in some of these articles.

1162
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: But there's like, as best I can understand the idea

1163
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: with the she's trying to replicate a non player character,

1164
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: which is a video game character that comes I am

1165
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: also not a gamer, that comes pre programmed and typically

1166
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: cannot be manipulated by the person at the controls. As such,

1167
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: a non player characters phrases, it, movements are often formulaic

1168
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: and repetitive. So at the same time that we have

1169
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: AI and bots that are trying to be more human,

1170
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: you have humans like this streamer. And she's not the

1171
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: only one. There's a whole genre of this type of

1172
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: streaming on TikTok, in particular Instagram, whatever, but in particular

1173
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: on TikTok, there's this whole genre of streaming that is

1174
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: like humans being more like the robots, and so there's

1175
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: an element of it's sort of like hypnotic. It's a

1176
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: little bit like gamersh and that you're looking to see

1177
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: if the gifts come up too quick, or she messes

1178
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: up or whatever. There's a little bit of that. There's

1179
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: certainly an element of I can make this person, this

1180
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: beautiful woman, I can make her do whatever I want

1181
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: her to do. There's an element of this being the

1182
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: next evolution of people talk about creators having a parasocial

1183
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: relationship with their audience. When we see a little bit

1184
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: of that on our show, where people who are regular

1185
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: watchers they feel like they really knows in the sense

1186
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: they do because we bring ourselves to the show and

1187
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: you get a sense of who we are and what

1188
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: we think, and you see what we talk about every day,

1189
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: and so there's this sort of like personal relationship there.

1190
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 1: This is like taking that to the next level where

1191
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: it's not just that I feel like I have this

1192
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: relationship with you, but there's a direct interaction. I send

1193
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: you this thing, and you do the thing that I

1194
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: told you to do. So I have, you know, a

1195
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: direct channel to you and impact your life directly, and

1196
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: so I think that's part of it. One thing I

1197
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: found interesting here Timberland, who I'm a big fan of,

1198
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: producer rapp or whatever, was apparently ranked the top viewer

1199
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: of the Pinky Doll stream based on gifts spent, the

1200
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: gifts sent and time spent viewing. Representative for Timberland did

1201
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: not immediately respond, but apparently he is a big fan.

1202
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: So that is the Pinky Doll phenomenon, so to speak.

1203
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: And like I said, this is just one of many

1204
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: creators who are, you know, finding success to a greater

1205
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: or lesser extent. This is their line of work, this

1206
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: is what they do. They spend hours doing this sort

1207
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: of thing. But I do great to inform you that

1208
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: it turns out that Pinky Doll is a scab. She

1209
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: recently released a video indicating she is going to go

1210
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: to Hollywood and take some of the jobs that these

1211
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: striking actors are currently sitting out of. Let's say a listen, yo.

1212
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 5: You're never going to believe that. Guess who is going

1213
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 5: to Hoidey with baby to hot a Wood. Yes, it

1214
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 5: should go right here, it should go right here, y'all. Y'all,

1215
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 5: I'm going to Hollywood, baby. That should about to be

1216
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 5: a pot paint because when I come in here, I

1217
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 5: will take somebody's pat Yo, I will take your spots.

1218
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 5: So you get to secure your spat because I'm coming

1219
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 5: for it.

1220
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: I'm coming to it.

1221
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm going so she's gonna take their spot. So in

1222
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: a single day, you know, from me learning about Pinky

1223
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: Doll to her downfall. In my eyes, you know, that

1224
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: was the entire life life trajectory of Pinky Doll. In

1225
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: terms of my understanding of this.

1226
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: Situation, I mean, it's not really.

1227
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: All that's surprising is that, like a lot of these

1228
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: TikTok people, who knows how long you're going to be

1229
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: famous for, Like you might as well take the bag

1230
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: you can get it, but you know you shouldn't be crossed.

1231
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know if she knows what

1232
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: picket line is, Like maybe she does. Maybe she's consciously

1233
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: on her violating the strike. Yeah, people should inform her,

1234
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: they absolutely should. Anybody else really who's trying to get

1235
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: these said opportunities. So yeah, I mean, I don't know

1236
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: if the entire thing, I just I don't get it.

1237
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: With great respect to our friends in Japan, who I

1238
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: do love. I do love Japan. I love a lot

1239
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: about Japanese culture, but this does seem vaguely Japanese in

1240
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: some in terms of the psycho sexual dynamic and in

1241
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: terms like vaguely removed, as we said, from sexuality really

1242
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: at all, going to some like very odd levels of

1243
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: control combined with gaming and with streaming and the emojis

1244
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: and all that, it just seems like reminiscent of exactly

1245
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: what they were going through almost I'm really to the

1246
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: last two decades in some of their youth culture, like

1247
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: with streaming and with gaming. So I wonder if we're

1248
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: importing that here, or if the same disease I guess

1249
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: is inflicting us, or maybe I'm just reading way too

1250
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: much into it, and you know, some shit is weird

1251
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: shit as is popular on the end.

1252
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's an audience for everything. If this

1253
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: makes you happy, then go do you sure?

1254
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to spend your hard earned money on

1255
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: ice cream cones.

1256
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: Go for it.

1257
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: I would have father's suggestions for you.

1258
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: There's nothing quite like the sheer terror of the American

1259
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: upper middle class about what college their kids will be

1260
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: able to attend well off suburbs. The race for the

1261
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: ivys begins the moment a child is conceived. Got to

1262
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: get them in the right playgroup, that feeds in the

1263
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: right preschool, that leads the right private school. Got to

1264
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: get them in fencing or tennis from age like two,

1265
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: pony up thousands for test prep from the jump, to

1266
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: make sure they can get through any possible entrance exams.

1267
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: In the Varsity Blue Scandal, of course, a bunch of

1268
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: people who were wealthy, but not like Bezos wealthy, we're

1269
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: even willing to commit crimes to get their offspring into

1270
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: the right Prestigiou schools. Well, new data reveals just how

1271
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: the super rich gain this whole system for their benefit,

1272
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: and why the merely well off may have so much

1273
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: anxiety about keeping their kids among the elite. According to

1274
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: New York Times, right up of a groundbreaking study in

1275
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: elite college admissions, being very rich is its own qualification. Now.

1276
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: This study looked at admissions for twelve different elite private universities,

1277
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: including the Ivys, and found that even if you controlled

1278
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: for test scores and for academic rigor, the children of

1279
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: the zero point one percent were more than twice as

1280
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: likely to get into the school as your average applicant,

1281
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: or as medical Lacis put it on Twitter, new source

1282
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: of intra elite conflict and status anxiety just dropped. Just

1283
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: take a look at that chart that's up on the screen.

1284
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: If you are low income, you actually have a somewhat

1285
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: higher than average likelihood of getting in. Then there is

1286
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: a big drop off from about the sixtieth income percentile

1287
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: to the ninety ninth percentile, where everyone from the upper

1288
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: middle class to the wealthy but not super wealthy have

1289
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: a lower chance of getting in than the average. The

1290
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: line then jumps over the average line at around the

1291
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: ninety ninth percentile top one percent then it just skyrockets

1292
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: from there to the top of the charts. So the

1293
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: super rich are getting super privileged into our nation's top schools,

1294
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: and those schools, of course, are a direct pipeline into

1295
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: the national elite. Also revealing was exactly how the super

1296
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: rich got their big leg up. The benefit basically came

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Speaker 1: from three areas. According to this study, legacy admissions, athletics,

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Speaker 1: and private school privilege. The biggest impact appears to have

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Speaker 1: been from legacy admissions. The very richest were eight times

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Speaker 1: eight times more likely than the average applicant to get

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Speaker 1: into a school if they had a parent who had

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Speaker 1: also attended that school, So being born into an ivy

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Speaker 1: league family supercharges the chances of already wealthy kids. But

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Speaker 1: the other categories of benefit are also pretty revealing. Wealthy

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Speaker 1: students at elite schools are much more likely to be

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Speaker 1: recruited athletes than middle class or poor kids.

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Speaker 3: Now, why is that?

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Speaker 1: Because many of the sports popular at the ivys, things

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Speaker 1: like rowing and fencing. They're expensive sports that basically only

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Speaker 1: rich kids actually do. But even more mainstream sports have

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Speaker 1: had a large and escalating costs associated with them as

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Speaker 1: parents go to great lengths to get their kids in

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Speaker 1: the right club or travel teams, attend far away competitions,

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Speaker 1: and supply them with all of the best gear. Place

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Speaker 1: where rich kids pulled ahead of the pack was in

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Speaker 1: all of the non academic metrics that admissions counselors use.

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Speaker 1: What were your extracurriculars? What kind of recommendations did you get?

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Speaker 1: Remember those letters you had to get did your guidance

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Speaker 1: counselor literally call up the school and advocate for you?

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Speaker 1: I genuinely did not even know that last one was

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Speaker 1: a thing. But apparently at a lot of the Ivy

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Speaker 1: League feeder schools, guidance counselors have existing relationships with admissions

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Speaker 1: officers and they will actually work the phones to try

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Speaker 1: to get their favorite kids in. This pays big dividends.

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Speaker 1: Just look at this chart. Rich kids were actually not

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Speaker 1: all that different from everyone else on their academic ratings

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Speaker 1: grades course Rigger SAT scores, but their guidance counselor ratings,

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Speaker 1: their teacher ratings, other non academic ratings go sky high

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Speaker 1: at the top end of the wealth spectrum. This suggests

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Speaker 1: a major advantage to rich kids attending elite private schools.

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Speaker 1: It also suggests a less than benevolent reason why some

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Speaker 1: parents are pushing and some schools are moving towards getting

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Speaker 1: rid of the SAT. Standardized tests and grades are far

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Speaker 1: from perfect, but they are at least a somewhat objective measure.

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Speaker 1: When you start to get into these squishy or variables,

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Speaker 1: schools have been caught using them to blatantly discriminate against

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Speaker 1: Asians and now to blatantly discriminate in favor of the rich. Basically,

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Speaker 1: the less objective the criteria is, the more the rich

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Speaker 1: have free reign to work the system in their favor,

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Speaker 1: something many schools are dedicated to because rich kids with

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Speaker 1: rich parents means fat donation checks. This paper also found

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Speaker 1: that in terms of class preferences, really didn't matter what

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Speaker 1: race you were, no matter whether you were black, White, Asian,

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Speaker 1: or Latino, if mommy and daddy were in the super elite,

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Speaker 1: you were more likely to have your ticket punched as well,

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Speaker 1: this study reveals one aspect of why class has become

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Speaker 1: increasingly rigid in America, such that, in spite of our

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Speaker 1: American dream mythology, kids in the US are actually less

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Speaker 1: likely to escape their class status at birth than kids

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Speaker 1: in many European nations. Why are middle class is also

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Speaker 1: smaller than many of those same nations. These secret protection

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Speaker 1: rackets that keep the rich rich and make it tougher

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Speaker 1: for everyone else, that funnel the NEPO babies into the

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Speaker 1: most powerful echelons of elites so that they can then

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Speaker 1: preserve those very protection rackets that got them there in

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Speaker 1: the first place. And keep in mind, because this analysis

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Speaker 1: doesn't even consider the advantages from things like private tutors

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Speaker 1: and the like, it undoubtedly understates the leg up that

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Speaker 1: the rich ultimately get bottom lined. As we end race

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Speaker 1: based affirmative action, there is no excuse for maintaining a

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Speaker 1: blatant system of affirmative action for the rich and sager.

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Speaker 1: There has never been a study that breaks down exactly

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Speaker 1: what benefit there are