Speaker 1: M My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a
Speaker 1: production of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f
Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of these, uh these snake boots.
Speaker 1: I wore these the entire week while I was hunting Mexico.
Speaker 1: These are lacrosse straight up snake boots. They kind of
Speaker 1: look they kind of have a cowboy boot, but kind
Speaker 1: of with a non aggressive heel, leather, square toe. They
Speaker 1: come up like all the way almost to your knee,
Speaker 1: but they put on easier than a rubber boot. Their
Speaker 1: waterproof and when you wear them you feel like you've
Speaker 1: got armor on your legs. Yeah, I really like them.
Speaker 1: When he was doing no, it was cold. We're at
Speaker 1: six thousand feet elevation, so it was it was it
Speaker 1: was very cold up there. Well, we have a very
Speaker 1: eclectic group here at the Beargreas Renter today, none of
Speaker 1: which are qualified to be here based upon good looks, education, accomplishments,
Speaker 1: in life, speak for yourself or no, just kidding, the
Speaker 1: least of which isn't To my left, Lauren Malten, long
Speaker 1: time meat Eater videographer correct four years. Yeah, Yeah, traveled
Speaker 1: all over all over with all different varieties of meteor folks.
Speaker 1: Great to have you, Lauren, Thanks for having me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To Lauren's left, the illustrious Britt Reeves, good to be here, Brett,
Speaker 1: good to see you, man, Good to be seen. To
Speaker 1: Brent's left. That's the Wait a minute, that's it. That's
Speaker 1: the only intro you get today. Yeah, to Brent's left.
Speaker 1: This will greatly reflect my participation in today's endevor go ahead.
Speaker 1: You want me to talk about your outfit again? I
Speaker 1: think of what's the brand overalls roundhouse with a coon
Speaker 1: fob and as pocket watch. We're in a first light shirt.
Speaker 1: That's pretty sassy. Do your left, Michael Roseman. Michael, you've
Speaker 1: been on the Burger shrun before, haven't you? Yes, on
Speaker 1: the where the red farm grows. So Michael is the
Speaker 1: owner of sun spot Lights, which were the they're the
Speaker 1: coon lights h that we use all the time. That
Speaker 1: if you see me or Brent wearing a light a
Speaker 1: hard hat with a big old light. That's a sun Spotlight,
Speaker 1: Arkansas based company. Yes, and they are super bright, man,
Speaker 1: I tell people NonStop. People people challenge me about lights,
Speaker 1: like I'll be at a camp. It's happened more than
Speaker 1: once and they're like, oh, I got a good light
Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm just like really, and we've stepped
Speaker 1: out and you know, turn the lights on and coon
Speaker 1: hunters have the market on the most powerful lights in
Speaker 1: the world. Are you like Crocodile Dundee when that guy
Speaker 1: pulls a knife on it, that's not a knife, this
Speaker 1: is not a that's not a light. This is a light,
Speaker 1: and you pull out that sun spot. Yeah. We found
Speaker 1: out a couple of nights ago that he would win
Speaker 1: more of those battles if he charges lights. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned a little bit about about these that from
Speaker 1: the time you start using that, I thought they just
Speaker 1: powered all the way through until they went dead and
Speaker 1: they just died. But they but they dim some some
Speaker 1: coon hunting lights just cut out. Um. I didn't never.
Speaker 1: I never liked that. No one wants to be standing
Speaker 1: there thinking your lights fully charging and being the dark.
Speaker 1: So it's slowly dims, it doesn't start dimming until about
Speaker 1: the four or five hour mark. After that it starts
Speaker 1: to slowly dim and and it's a gradual dim. I mean,
Speaker 1: you couldn't even tell yours wasn't charged until you shined
Speaker 1: it next to one that was charged. Yeah. I hardly
Speaker 1: ever charged mine because it doesn't it doesn't need it,
Speaker 1: you know, hunt or I use it every day, feeding
Speaker 1: my dogs, going outside, doing stuff at night, especially you
Speaker 1: know in the winter when it gets dark early. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. I keep it by the door. I
Speaker 1: use it every day and turn it on. But it's
Speaker 1: great to have, Michael. We're gonna come back to that.
Speaker 1: To Michael's left, Big Dirty Dave Gardener from Montana, How
Speaker 1: you doing, man, good? Big dirty? And I go way back. Uh,
Speaker 1: David is hunted with me in Oklahoma for white tails
Speaker 1: for two years, hunted in Montana a couple of well
Speaker 1: once maybe so Arkansas, Arkansas all this time. So what
Speaker 1: we're doing is we're down here filming a coon and
Speaker 1: squirrel hunt and uh we're staying in East Arkansas over
Speaker 1: here on the White River and uh, white rivers coming up,
Speaker 1: White rivers like flood stage. Is that right, Michael? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I forget it. Thirty three ft flood stage, here's six. Okay,
Speaker 1: explain to me these river levels there it seems like
Speaker 1: it would be zero, would be like normal. What they
Speaker 1: whatever they determined for normal? But that's not true? Well
Speaker 1: where where is? Where does what does thirty three mean?
Speaker 1: Unless you're here and you just know, oh, thirty three
Speaker 1: high water? What doest? I couldn't tell you that accurate
Speaker 1: answer to that. I know that they have that when
Speaker 1: when you check the water levels, you check flood stage
Speaker 1: and whatever the nominal level for the river is. It's
Speaker 1: inside those parameters, you know, if it's it's between this,
Speaker 1: between two numbers there, it's deep enough to traverse, or
Speaker 1: it's too or it gets too shallow and you can't
Speaker 1: drive a boat, so it's got I can't tell you
Speaker 1: that if I don't know if that comes from core engineers,
Speaker 1: like you know, given channel depth, average channel depth or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's something for the for the Google,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a gauge under the river that you
Speaker 1: can look at that has uh hash marks for feet
Speaker 1: under yeah, under the bridges that generally on any river
Speaker 1: will equate to a cubic feet per second. A volume
Speaker 1: of of cubic feet per second of water moving by
Speaker 1: one particular spot. So the volume when they say thirty
Speaker 1: three six whatever, it is different. Different rivers have different gauges, right,
Speaker 1: but it's always in the United States gauged by cubic
Speaker 1: feeper So that doesn't mean like elevation. It'll equate to
Speaker 1: elevation on that gauge. That's how they tell like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's flood stage, here's like major flood okay, h Dave, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think, like the foot gage,
Speaker 1: a lot of that probably goes back to before they
Speaker 1: were able to probably calculate out cfs. And so I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of places it's just like a foot
Speaker 1: gage on a bridge, right, and so there will just
Speaker 1: be marks on a bridge like like a was sand.
Speaker 1: And so this is probably one place on the White
Speaker 1: River where there's a bridge and it well, there's gotta
Speaker 1: be zero has gotta mean something because we're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: the river's thirty three ft, and then if you're around
Speaker 1: here for fifty years, you know, oh, thirty three ft
Speaker 1: it's flood stage. Normal is like twenty four ft. One
Speaker 1: of gage that you use here is looking at the
Speaker 1: back door because if there's water creeping up in your
Speaker 1: backyard there it is right there. Yeah, because behind this
Speaker 1: cabin is a porch that hangs off and there's boat
Speaker 1: cleats on a deck that's probably eight or nine feet
Speaker 1: off the ground. So gauge it that way too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The floods here interesting In the Ozarks of flood would
Speaker 1: be like a flash flood like you'd be. It would
Speaker 1: be heavy rain and gushing fast water, dangerous water. Here
Speaker 1: flood is it could be a beautiful Usually a flood
Speaker 1: doesn't come till after a storm's come through and it's
Speaker 1: bluebird skies and the weather is beautiful and the river's
Speaker 1: just slow, really inching up water, you know, at least
Speaker 1: where it's backwater and out slow water. But we've been
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting, coon hunting. We we had I'd say we
Speaker 1: had a good, a real good squirrel hunt, other than
Speaker 1: getting flooded out from some of our better spots. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think? Yeah, I thought it was really good.
Speaker 1: Killed quite a few squirrels, had a good time. Guys.
Speaker 1: What y'all think of squirrel hunting? Dave and uh and
Speaker 1: Lauren head and squirrel hunter before now, lots of action
Speaker 1: which is great. Usually on a hunt filming, you're kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for that moment, you know, nine days in Alaska,
Speaker 1: waiting for him. Yeah, seeing the animal from way off.
Speaker 1: But squirrel hunts live action quick same with coon's was
Speaker 1: pretty fun. It's definitely one of the more action packed
Speaker 1: hunts i'd filmed. Pretty fun. You know, the first day,
Speaker 1: what you guys killed twelve squirrels. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: been on a duck hunt where we've killed twelve ducks.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And then we coon hunted at night,
Speaker 1: hunted Brent's dog, and then we hunted uh, one of
Speaker 1: Michael's dogs. And we're hunting as good at coon hunting
Speaker 1: as there is in the these United States anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that there are raccoons in Europe, but they're
Speaker 1: an invasive species. Um. They brought them into Germany. They
Speaker 1: have a large population in Germany. They probably caused them
Speaker 1: just as much ruck us over there as they are
Speaker 1: over here, killing just as many virgin Ist Yep. What
Speaker 1: was the uh impetus of bringing them to Germany? Why
Speaker 1: would you Probably the same reason people brought all kinds
Speaker 1: of weird stuff over here. Just it was a novel
Speaker 1: animal that they could carry around, maybe even brought it
Speaker 1: over for for hunting. Do you know, Michael, Um, I'm
Speaker 1: from what I understand it was one of Hitler's chancellors
Speaker 1: that whatever he was over the wildlife, thought they were fascinating,
Speaker 1: brought them up return. That's don't quote me on that,
Speaker 1: but that's what that's sounds good to me. I'm wrong
Speaker 1: all the time. You never know, you never know. Sounds good. Um, Well,
Speaker 1: a few housekeeping things. March four in Bentonville, Arkansas is
Speaker 1: the Black Bear Bonanza. It's a one day event that
Speaker 1: is gonna it's it's like action packed vendors Arkansas gaving
Speaker 1: fishes there. I know Bear Hunting Magazine is gonna be there,
Speaker 1: a bunch outdoor vendors. We're gonna do a live render
Speaker 1: podcast in front of all the people that are there.
Speaker 1: Last year there was like four people. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: al hooton contest of which Brent Reeves is the MC.
Speaker 1: And just so if fair warning to oh you contestants,
Speaker 1: Clay is a judge and he's not grading on the
Speaker 1: curve and spelling counts. He's pretty judgy about this whole
Speaker 1: al Houghton thing. Yeah, I was a judge last year.
Speaker 1: I got fired, yeah or promoted however you want to
Speaker 1: look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We we totally add
Speaker 1: some unqualified judges there last year. So uh, I'll be
Speaker 1: one of the judges. Bread's gonna be the m C.
Speaker 1: The winner gets uh a genuine coonskin cap made by
Speaker 1: Josh Lambridge spillmaker from one of the Coons that some
Speaker 1: Coons that that we killed the Ozarks a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. So that's a big, big prize. And this
Speaker 1: all kind of fun stuff. Now here's here is here
Speaker 1: is the the addition to that, which is a wild
Speaker 1: edition unannounced up until this point. Friday, March the third,
Speaker 1: in Bentonville at a location to be announced, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a pre pre screening of the film that we
Speaker 1: made about Warner Glenn. It's it's a it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a bear Grease film, and so you will be at
Speaker 1: some point in the near future people will be able
Speaker 1: to buy tickets to this pre screened film. And it's
Speaker 1: it's sponsored by our buddies at Audex. They're they're paying
Speaker 1: for us to have this venue and the sad news
Speaker 1: is there's only two hundred tickets and when they're gone,
Speaker 1: they're gone. So there's two hundred spots in this theater.
Speaker 1: And so when the link goes up, just first come,
Speaker 1: first served. They're gonna be groceries with that ticket too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it will announce all all that's going on. But me
Speaker 1: and Brent will be there. I know that for sure.
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch this film. The film is only, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty two minutes long, but we'll be doing some fun stuff.
Speaker 1: It will probably end up being a couple of hours,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But so March the heard so the
Speaker 1: night before the Black Bear Bonanza in Bentonville gonna be big.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give the money that we any money that
Speaker 1: we make to the Black Bear Bonanza Arkansas, b h A. Guys,
Speaker 1: so mark your calendars. Would be a whole good weekend
Speaker 1: right there. It's sure will, It's sure will. Well. So
Speaker 1: this is the burg Rease Render where we talk about
Speaker 1: for somebody who's new, the previous week's barg Rease podcast,
Speaker 1: and we've come to the end of our series on
Speaker 1: two COMPSA. I feel like a burden has really been
Speaker 1: lifted off my shoulders, I really do. I think I
Speaker 1: started my two comes to research a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago, like six months into starting the bargh Rease podcast.
Speaker 1: I remember where I was at when I heard. I
Speaker 1: was listening to an audio book, one of Alan Eckert's
Speaker 1: audio books, just where the idea came. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: listening to the Frontiersman, and he talked about two Coomsa
Speaker 1: being born on the night that this comment flashed across
Speaker 1: the sky in Ohio, and they saw it, and they
Speaker 1: they named him two Coompsa, which based loosely translates to
Speaker 1: panther crossing the sky. And I didn't know any I
Speaker 1: didn't know much about two Coomesa. You know, It's it's
Speaker 1: not like I was just born knowing about Takomsa. I
Speaker 1: didn't know much about him. I would have known his name.
Speaker 1: I would have known that there were always thought it
Speaker 1: was odd that there was a lot of businesses and
Speaker 1: stuff like two come some motors. Um, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of two combs of stuff around the country. I knew
Speaker 1: he was a Native American leader. I didn't know much
Speaker 1: about him, but when I heard that, I thought, I
Speaker 1: just immediately knew we need to do a whole Bear
Speaker 1: Grease podcast on this guy. And it started researching and
Speaker 1: started trying to find the right guys, and it was
Speaker 1: difficult to connect with all the people that this podcast
Speaker 1: entailed now and it's when it was complete. And that
Speaker 1: was the challenge, is I was going to do a
Speaker 1: podcast on two come, so, like you know, I figured
Speaker 1: within three or four months of me first hearing about him, like,
Speaker 1: I'll read a book and I'll get this guy. And
Speaker 1: I just kept finding difficulty getting getting the people, getting
Speaker 1: the people, getting the people, and I would get one guy,
Speaker 1: but I would need a little bit more and get
Speaker 1: another guy. And so it ended up being the most
Speaker 1: work I've ever put into a podcast, which is kind
Speaker 1: of cool because you have a lot of time to
Speaker 1: think about it and getting all these different perspectives was unique,
Speaker 1: and I think it made for a good podcast. But
Speaker 1: I feel almost relieved in a good way that the
Speaker 1: story is now out there and not there was out
Speaker 1: there before, but we told it on Burglaries. So the
Speaker 1: third one is done. Brent, in the whole series, what
Speaker 1: what stood out to you because you hadn't been on
Speaker 1: the last two, was there anything on the other ones
Speaker 1: that stood out? To you, it is all intriguing. And
Speaker 1: I learned a whole lot of stuff on on all
Speaker 1: of them. But to me, the tip of the spear,
Speaker 1: the the culmination of the whole thing was was Chief
Speaker 1: Barnes is stuff. Man. That guy is so insightful and
Speaker 1: and so he can he easily explains the thoughts and
Speaker 1: stuff in a viewpoint that I had never considered. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't because I was. It wasn't important to me.
Speaker 1: It was just I couldn't see it from his view
Speaker 1: and the way they talked about the individuals and the
Speaker 1: difference in and putting two come to on a pedestal
Speaker 1: when he wouldn't. He wouldn't have been up there by himself.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of guys doing that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and he was. He was naming names of people in
Speaker 1: his culture that were as significant, if not more so,
Speaker 1: than to come to and names I've never heard, and
Speaker 1: I thought, man, that's that's sad. And it has inspired
Speaker 1: me to do a lot of a lot more research.
Speaker 1: But I think his participation in it. Without him being
Speaker 1: in that, it wouldn't have been nearly as good as
Speaker 1: it was. And I absolutely loved it. I like this
Speaker 1: one better than the Daniel Boone. Did you really really?
Speaker 1: I did you know? Here's what I was so impacting
Speaker 1: to me sitting across from Ben Barnes and we did
Speaker 1: this interview back in two I think I said that
Speaker 1: on there. But this guy is like to come so,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a leader inside of the Shawnee Nation.
Speaker 1: He would he would stand just right beside those guys.
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily talking about his accomplishments or not.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he is the leader, a leader in
Speaker 1: the Shawnees Shawnny nation. That's goes right back to the
Speaker 1: lineage of comes really not that far back, and and
Speaker 1: just really interesting. And I was, yeah, super intelligent guy.
Speaker 1: And you saw his heart inside of it his heart.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes when you hear a political leader and
Speaker 1: and I mean that's what you would call him. I mean,
Speaker 1: in today's world, he has to be a political leader.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times when you hear some politician talk,
Speaker 1: I mean, every single one of us can be like
Speaker 1: that guy's full of it. Well, you know that that
Speaker 1: guy has interests that are not always of the purest
Speaker 1: Well he's talking, he's pandering too, trying to get the
Speaker 1: large majority of this guy is talking to a group
Speaker 1: of people, and his talking points and stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: think those were vetted by um a communications room somewhere
Speaker 1: in another state. That that was all coming out of
Speaker 1: his head and out of his heart, that was important
Speaker 1: to his people and to the point that he was
Speaker 1: trying to get across, and it was you could just
Speaker 1: tell he was genuine to me. To me, it seemed
Speaker 1: that way. I think it was. And I don't understand
Speaker 1: all the I mean, I'm not inside the politics of
Speaker 1: of these Indian nations, so you know, we just had
Speaker 1: this one glimpse. But yeah, when he was when I
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, what what is the what is
Speaker 1: the what? There were two questions. I said, what would
Speaker 1: a Shawnee nation look like that you would be happy with?
Speaker 1: And he he took it right back to the people.
Speaker 1: He said, We've got people, We've got Shawinese in fifty states,
Speaker 1: and I want them to know that they have a
Speaker 1: cultural home and that that idea of home seems to
Speaker 1: be really powerful inside the the the Indian nations because
Speaker 1: they were removed from their home. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: been a long time ago, but really in human history,
Speaker 1: a couple hundred years is not that long Michael. What
Speaker 1: did you say to me the other day We were
Speaker 1: talking about some historical figure and and you said, well,
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about something about the Civil War,
Speaker 1: and you said, well, that guy's granddad was in the
Speaker 1: Civil War. Well, no, it was slavery soul. My mother
Speaker 1: died early and a black lady helped raise me when
Speaker 1: I was a teenager. And her mother's mother was born
Speaker 1: a slave, so her grandmother was born a slave. So
Speaker 1: the lady, the lady that helped raise your grandmother, her grandmother,
Speaker 1: her grandmother. Yeah, so you know people that knew people
Speaker 1: that where it's just not that long ago, right, So
Speaker 1: you just add another great or two to that, and
Speaker 1: there you are with you know, oh yeah, Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: if if the Coms had lived out a full life,
Speaker 1: you know, he would have, you know, potentially died. You know,
Speaker 1: he's forty five. If he didn't live another thirty years,
Speaker 1: you know, he would have been almost in the eighteen
Speaker 1: forties or or something like that. It's not that long ago.
Speaker 1: It really isn't, man, Because it takes a while to
Speaker 1: sort those things out, and we don't realize it, but
Speaker 1: we're sorting stuff out that happened inside of our worlds
Speaker 1: that we aren't even cognizance of, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's powerful stuff. Um. And one of the most interesting
Speaker 1: things to me and the whole thing was Dr Dave
Speaker 1: Edmond's talked about how the removal and this is going
Speaker 1: back to Chief Barnes saying that he feels like his
Speaker 1: job is to undo the negative effects of their removal,
Speaker 1: which I thought that was interesting. I didn't anticipate him
Speaker 1: saying that. But Dave Edmonds and maybe part one or
Speaker 1: part two, he talked about how removal from land was
Speaker 1: very different than a Westerner's worldview of removal from land
Speaker 1: because their religions are site specific. Um. I'm reading a
Speaker 1: book right now about It's it's it's kind of an autobiography. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an autobiography of a well, it's complicated. Basically, a
Speaker 1: guy wrote a book and it's about Native Americans. And
Speaker 1: there's a part in the book where this guy describes
Speaker 1: what he's seen, okay, and he talks about the mountain
Speaker 1: and he talks about the sunlight going through these trees
Speaker 1: that have frost on them, in the frost glistens, and
Speaker 1: he talks about a river down below him. Well he
Speaker 1: this book was critiqued bye by Cherokee Indians. In this
Speaker 1: book the right, the guy that right, and it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a Cherokee. The Cherokee said, if it's
Speaker 1: real Cherokee had written that, he would have named the mountain,
Speaker 1: he would have named the river. He would have been
Speaker 1: much more specific than a generic mountain, more reverent to
Speaker 1: what he was looking at. You. Well, it just just
Speaker 1: specific because to that spot, to that place, like that
Speaker 1: mountain would have meant so much to them. And it
Speaker 1: ties back to the site specific stuff. So if you
Speaker 1: just uproot this culture and put it down somewhere else
Speaker 1: and like here's some good land, it's different. And and
Speaker 1: you know, I contrasted that, and it's kind of a simple.
Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. So it's probably not entirely accurate. But
Speaker 1: these Europeans were coming over and they had been pushed
Speaker 1: out of their land. They've been pushed out and so
Speaker 1: they've had some bad stuff happened to them too, and
Speaker 1: but they had this kind of utilitarian ideology of land
Speaker 1: and they didn't have any connected historical connection of this land,
Speaker 1: and they were just happy to get it. It's just
Speaker 1: interesting stuff, interesting stuff, Chief Ben Barnes, good, big, dirty.
Speaker 1: What did anythink stand out to you? And in the
Speaker 1: whole series, there's there's definitely a few things that stood out.
Speaker 1: I think that the interesting thing to me was how
Speaker 1: uh yeah, like we're talking about he was, he played
Speaker 1: a role that was needed at that time in the community.
Speaker 1: And I think that's just so different than you know,
Speaker 1: especially in the United States today, Like we're highly individualistic
Speaker 1: culture and we're not always looking into like pursuing something
Speaker 1: that is what our community needs around us. Is there
Speaker 1: certainly are those people doing that, but uh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just a very different at least from the way I
Speaker 1: lived my life pursuing a creative career. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a highly selfish pursuit, you know. So well, some good,
Speaker 1: good lessons to to take away from that, but I
Speaker 1: I have in my notes here that the I think
Speaker 1: it's hard for us to even comprehend. Really, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to really comprehend even what the Chief was saying,
Speaker 1: because it's such an odd place to be a human
Speaker 1: because you're you're looking through life out of these two
Speaker 1: eyeballs that you have that you were given that and
Speaker 1: you're the way you view out of those eyeballs is
Speaker 1: important and and has some element of correctness to it.
Speaker 1: It's interesting too if you can, if you can detach
Speaker 1: yourself from that enough to understand the perspective of somebody
Speaker 1: vastly different, then you're it's like, wow, I had no
Speaker 1: idea that there was even another option. And the this
Speaker 1: idea of a of a of a community being important.
Speaker 1: You know that it's not like that died with the Shawnees.
Speaker 1: That is very much the world view of most of
Speaker 1: the indigenous hunter gatherer tribes and and honestly some of
Speaker 1: the a lot of a lot of places still on
Speaker 1: the earth today view. For example, I had somebody write
Speaker 1: this in I thought this was really interesting. He was
Speaker 1: talking about he lived in This guy lived in China
Speaker 1: for years, and he said that when you address a
Speaker 1: letter in China, the first thing you write is China
Speaker 1: the country, then the state, then the the actual site
Speaker 1: specific address, and then the name at the bottom, and
Speaker 1: that in that is an indication of the importance of
Speaker 1: the things like what comes first is most important, and
Speaker 1: you know at the bottom is the individual. And he
Speaker 1: compared that to the Shawnee language that these other guys were.
Speaker 1: You know that the chief told us about about how
Speaker 1: the Shawnees they focus on the verb, not the noun,
Speaker 1: the nouns at the end, the verbs closer to the front.
Speaker 1: You know, he talked about language and stuff, so I
Speaker 1: think I think there's a lot of things like that
Speaker 1: going on, for sure. Yeah. The other thing that was
Speaker 1: really interesting was kind of how how we kind of
Speaker 1: or he's kind of glorified today because he lost, right,
Speaker 1: and it's how would that how different would that be
Speaker 1: if things had played out differently? I thought about something
Speaker 1: when when he was talking about that Dave, when he
Speaker 1: what's to say and how they European are the white
Speaker 1: settlers and everything put him up the old saying if
Speaker 1: you want to be the man, you gotta beat the man.
Speaker 1: You know, if he had won, they probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: put him up that far. There wouldn't have been but
Speaker 1: they had value in you know, if you're the number
Speaker 1: one seed and you beat the number twenty seed, who
Speaker 1: cares you're supposed to beat that guy. But if you're
Speaker 1: the number two guys and you beat the number one guy,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got something to talk about. And I
Speaker 1: could see where, you know, how that played out in
Speaker 1: how I guess it was put out through the social
Speaker 1: media of the time, you know, you know, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: number one now, you know, we beat the Kumps. Who's
Speaker 1: the comes Oh man, he was unbeatable. He was this
Speaker 1: big leader, you know, and he's doing all these great
Speaker 1: things and we want Yeah, but how that happened. He
Speaker 1: had characteristics that were to be admired because there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people that we've beat that we hate.
Speaker 1: I mean, there there are people that are considered the
Speaker 1: devil and we beat them. But he had these characteristics
Speaker 1: to begin with. Oh yeah. And I wouldn't say, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't take any other thing away from that. I was
Speaker 1: just saying how they they wanted it was more or
Speaker 1: less bragging rights. No, you're you're correct. I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you're not. What it was talked
Speaker 1: about about the what they call it postagia. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: they they add things to him. Um. So with the
Speaker 1: racial climate at the time, they added they basically whitewashed
Speaker 1: him to make him more acceptable to the American people
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, they added characteristics also that
Speaker 1: uh would make these people relate to him, Um, like
Speaker 1: he talked about, you know, they the lady, the white lady,
Speaker 1: that they said that he would set at their feet
Speaker 1: while she read to him. And it's not true. According
Speaker 1: to that guy. I had no idea, But so they
Speaker 1: add things like that so that he would be able
Speaker 1: to be admired by the people. And one of the
Speaker 1: reasons for that is they're selling books too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know the people that did this a little yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and we probably do that all the time.
Speaker 1: We do it to a lot of people. There's a
Speaker 1: there's a play. There's a play in Chillicothe, Ohio to
Speaker 1: this day that has been going on for I think
Speaker 1: fifty plus years. And it's a big outdoor, big outdoor
Speaker 1: play that big auditorium outdoors that holds I think it
Speaker 1: holds people and there's a cast of over a hundred people,
Speaker 1: as I understand that, and it's called Kumsa and I've
Speaker 1: been to it. It was it was very entertaining. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the play that the chief said he didn't
Speaker 1: like at all. And it's because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: the fables kind of mixed into that story. Because that
Speaker 1: the writer of that play was Alan Eckhert, who I said,
Speaker 1: I wrote the book Frontiersman and ek hurt Um just
Speaker 1: at the time. I don't know history at the time
Speaker 1: when he wrote it, whenever that was it, maybe the
Speaker 1: seventies or eighties. Somebody will write me a mean email
Speaker 1: about getting that day wrong. But they that was just
Speaker 1: kind of the going thing that he had this white
Speaker 1: woman that he was in love with, and so that's
Speaker 1: all in the play, and that's the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that the chief was like, this is hogwash, this is crazy,
Speaker 1: Which was interesting because that play is alive and well
Speaker 1: today it's worth going to. It was very well done,
Speaker 1: put together, big tourist attraction there in Chillicothe, Ohio. But
Speaker 1: it's entertainment and not history. Listen right, and there's I mean,
Speaker 1: there's parts of it that that are true. And when
Speaker 1: you see it, I think you do you do understand
Speaker 1: a little bit more about to come somebody. It Also,
Speaker 1: the play also paints Ten Squintatwa his brother as kind
Speaker 1: of them battling against each other and kind of fighting
Speaker 1: for power. And I think now they've kind of dismissed
Speaker 1: that a little bit more and just said they they
Speaker 1: really did kind of work and tandem together more and
Speaker 1: more anyway. You know, there's so you could nitpick all
Speaker 1: of it. But but it was interesting because talking about
Speaker 1: the phastalgia, I thought that was so such an interesting word.
Speaker 1: Um well, we do that to a lot of people
Speaker 1: in history. I mean you look at all the outlaws
Speaker 1: in the West that were you know, idolized, and these
Speaker 1: people were murderers, but they they add these stories to them,
Speaker 1: the you know, to make them more. When you said
Speaker 1: palatable too everyone to read. The first time I've used
Speaker 1: it word a long time, I didn't know you knew it. Mostalgia.
Speaker 1: He said that that was longing for a past that
Speaker 1: didn't exist. And hey, I also took a little bit
Speaker 1: of criticism on this two come to podcast from some
Speaker 1: people that said that, okay, and here's just the simplest
Speaker 1: version now vigating some very treacherous political waters. Let's go, yes,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Um is that the Native Americans were
Speaker 1: were radically got the raw end of this deal. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody disagrees to that, I mean massive,
Speaker 1: and there their civilization suffered for it. America did all
Speaker 1: this stuff, which is absolutely true, broke treaties, just tried
Speaker 1: to annihilate and dismantle the civilization, no doubt. So now
Speaker 1: two years later, in kind of in kind of response
Speaker 1: to us being so when I say us, I'm saying
Speaker 1: that because I'm an American citizen. So if you're an
Speaker 1: American citizen, you you know your country did this. Our
Speaker 1: response to that is to um romanticize Native American life
Speaker 1: as being this just like beautiful, utopian, you topian place
Speaker 1: and these people were just at one with nature and
Speaker 1: one with each other, and they didn't have problems, and
Speaker 1: they had this great little world over here that got
Speaker 1: so and we know that that is an entirely true
Speaker 1: either that's more of a recent thing, though, was it not. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's just the way we talked about like somebody
Speaker 1: said that, you know, we're we like hyper glamorized, you know,
Speaker 1: two kumsa and him guarding this way of life and
Speaker 1: him wanting just this traditional Indian way of life. And
Speaker 1: what they would say is like, man, this this place
Speaker 1: was a war zone they got here, which is true
Speaker 1: with their neighbors just like we are now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so you know, you can go to one extreme to
Speaker 1: the other, and what you want to have is just
Speaker 1: kind of an understanding that yes, we did the United
Speaker 1: States did give these people a radically raw deal. They did,
Speaker 1: and it was unique too in the fact that I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not a history buff so I don't
Speaker 1: know the reasons as much, But we slowly crept across
Speaker 1: the land, so to keep from fighting in all out
Speaker 1: war with all of these people, we just kind of
Speaker 1: slowly took it and made deals and you know, we'll
Speaker 1: buy this from you. And that was the thing. A
Speaker 1: lot of that land was bought, they paid money for it,
Speaker 1: but from what I understand reading, um, some of that
Speaker 1: land was sold by tribes that didn't actually own it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so a whole lot of uh. And it's so complicated,
Speaker 1: and it's so it's not stuff that's that I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about just for sake of It just wasn't
Speaker 1: the story we were telling. But yeah, the the acquisition
Speaker 1: of land of the US from all the tribes is
Speaker 1: I mean hundreds and hundreds of treaties, people selling land
Speaker 1: that they actually didn't known, I mean, betrayal inside from
Speaker 1: tribe to tribe. But all this just wildly complex stuff
Speaker 1: that happened. And uh, but this was a treaty that
Speaker 1: he was against that started this correct well, and and
Speaker 1: and that's a simplistic story because it was decades of
Speaker 1: all these treaties, but his his the thing that drew
Speaker 1: the line of the sand was the Treaty of Greenville,
Speaker 1: which was drew a line somewhere in Ohio what is
Speaker 1: now Ohio, and it was like, you know, Europeans, you
Speaker 1: know Americans can't come across this line. And they did
Speaker 1: and that's when it comes I was like, okay, no more,
Speaker 1: no more a diplomat. We're gonna have to fight these guys.
Speaker 1: That's when he joined up with the British and started fighting. Um. So,
Speaker 1: another way that we could simplify all this too, it
Speaker 1: is that or it seems like it would be simple,
Speaker 1: is like, why weren't all these tribes in on this.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they have come to to come says idea
Speaker 1: of this painting the Confederacy and fighting against him, because
Speaker 1: that didn't make sense to me at first, because the
Speaker 1: way we painted him in just this revolutionary Native American leader,
Speaker 1: it seems like every tribe in the country would have
Speaker 1: been like, yes, let's stand and fight against these guys.
Speaker 1: But man, that it was so complex. Going back to that,
Speaker 1: a lot of tribes had great deals with the US government,
Speaker 1: where they were getting money, where they were getting supplies,
Speaker 1: where they were getting all this stuff. And Dave Edmonds
Speaker 1: talked about it. It comes succumbs to that tribe and
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we gotta fight these guys. And the
Speaker 1: chief was like a bro, we got a pretty good
Speaker 1: thing here. And that's what happened. And most of the
Speaker 1: tribes rejected him. Most the guys that were fighting with
Speaker 1: him were a small percentage of where most of those
Speaker 1: and are do you you might even know that that
Speaker 1: may not have come up. Most of the folks that
Speaker 1: stood with him where they from, you know, if they
Speaker 1: were from the same area, or they have similar religions
Speaker 1: and ways of life. Is that came about? Not necessarily
Speaker 1: the There were at least twelve tribes that were represented
Speaker 1: in the Pan Indian Confederacy, and many a lot of
Speaker 1: the Shawnees even rejected to comes to his vision. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of the Shawnees. And there's today several divisions of
Speaker 1: Shawnees even and and today amongst those divisions, you can
Speaker 1: trace back to the people that were with takomes To
Speaker 1: and the people that were against him. And um, but
Speaker 1: that was one of the most remarkable things. And the
Speaker 1: reason we remember him is because he was the really
Speaker 1: the only guy that ever united the tribes. That was
Speaker 1: a big deal. That was like major diplomacy, a major thing,
Speaker 1: which is also evidence why they believed that he was
Speaker 1: one of the greatest orators and leaders of the Native
Speaker 1: American people because he could ride up into a camp
Speaker 1: of chairkeys or or mingoes and give I mean, all
Speaker 1: he had was a speech. Like he didn't have a website,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a podcast, he didn't have a television crew.
Speaker 1: All he had. All he had was standing up in
Speaker 1: front of these people around a big fire saying, we
Speaker 1: gotta fight these guys. I mean, wouldn't have been something.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it have been something to have just one of
Speaker 1: those recorded. Yeah, that was my takeaway from it all
Speaker 1: was the fact that he was able to band together
Speaker 1: all those different tribes and all those different folks from
Speaker 1: different areas and get him to rally. So that alone
Speaker 1: just showed how powerful is personality was anything else. And
Speaker 1: you know, the two of them that just coming together
Speaker 1: and rally and everybody. That's what I was going to
Speaker 1: point out is that you hear about the Indian nation
Speaker 1: and warring nations, right, and that the tribes apparently didn't
Speaker 1: get along a lot of the time. But now that
Speaker 1: it's all kind of spelled out, it makes sense. But
Speaker 1: for those guys at that time to rally everyone together,
Speaker 1: it's just an amazing deal. That was To me anyway,
Speaker 1: that was like wow, that takes a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. Another thing that's interesting is that this happened
Speaker 1: here and what is now the United States, where uh,
Speaker 1: basically another group of people came into land that was
Speaker 1: already occupied and pushed out the people that were occupied.
Speaker 1: That's the story of planet Earth. That has never not
Speaker 1: happened somewhere. But that's what I was saying about. It
Speaker 1: happened differently. Normally, you came, you come in, you attack
Speaker 1: the country, you take it all. You don't slowly make
Speaker 1: deals with people, and then renewed on it until you
Speaker 1: reach the other ocean. You just it it. The whole
Speaker 1: thing may have been looked at differently had there just
Speaker 1: been a massive army come in and just run through
Speaker 1: the whole thing and then people do what they do,
Speaker 1: just like they do now when a country is taken over.
Speaker 1: But the fact that so many that there was trust
Speaker 1: involved So these people are coming into your yard out
Speaker 1: here and they're going, I just want to buy your backyard,
Speaker 1: and you said, okay, I'll sell that. And the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, you look up and there coming through your
Speaker 1: back door and they said, well, I want to live
Speaker 1: on your couch. Can I do that? And you make
Speaker 1: a deal with them, and then you're in there in
Speaker 1: your kitchen and it's just a complete different thing than
Speaker 1: coming in and taking everything from you at once. It
Speaker 1: would be more traumatizing for that to happen for me
Speaker 1: then for all of a sudden, I lose it all
Speaker 1: and you have this one feeling about that would be
Speaker 1: different than watching them they're slowly take it from you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point, and it would have been generation No. Two,
Speaker 1: you know two. Kompsa was born where he was born
Speaker 1: because his parents went to a basically a Shawnee convention
Speaker 1: about what to do about these white Europeans coming into Kentucky.
Speaker 1: That was right when Boone and them were coming in.
Speaker 1: That's why they were near and Chilla coffee was because
Speaker 1: they were like sending out messages to the to the
Speaker 1: to the people that were scattered abroad. We gotta come together.
Speaker 1: And figure out what we're gonna do about these people
Speaker 1: coming into our land killing our game. So, I mean
Speaker 1: he was born into this, that was a part of
Speaker 1: his life. It wasn't like they just showed up while
Speaker 1: he was here. So and that happened for generations and generations.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it's it's it's really interesting. I over emphasized
Speaker 1: it in the podcasts. Maybe too much, maybe not enough,
Speaker 1: I don't know, But about how we tell a story
Speaker 1: from a place of bias, you can't. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you about our coon hunt last night. It was from
Speaker 1: my eyeballs that I saw what happened, and in that
Speaker 1: version of that would be different than your version. Even
Speaker 1: the motivations. If I was telling you the motivations of
Speaker 1: why we turned right off the levee and went to
Speaker 1: the frog pond rather than turning left off the levee
Speaker 1: and going to the to the inside the levee, I mean,
Speaker 1: I might have been like, man, Michael, he hates frogs. Frogs,
Speaker 1: you're right, And then but then Britt would have been like, well,
Speaker 1: actually he loves frogs. That's why we were going in
Speaker 1: there and kill the coons. They're eating the frogs. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, I've always said a hundred
Speaker 1: times two different stories. If you want two different stories,
Speaker 1: get two eyewitnesses to the same event, because people's perception
Speaker 1: and there their internal bias, whether it's subliminal or whatever,
Speaker 1: is going to determine how they see something. And even
Speaker 1: me telling the story if it comes. And I said
Speaker 1: it on the podcast. When I first heard about him
Speaker 1: and learned about him, I was like, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a great story because this guy was so awesome.
Speaker 1: He was such a he's good, he stood out, he
Speaker 1: was like I totally had a a way that I
Speaker 1: want and there's no hiding it. If I do a
Speaker 1: story on Warner Glenn, I'm gonna tell you the best
Speaker 1: version of him. I mean I want It's not like
Speaker 1: when you get done listening to me talking about Warner Glenn,
Speaker 1: I want you to be like he was all right,
Speaker 1: I guess like I want you to be like that
Speaker 1: guy must be the coolest, coolest guy on planet Earth,
Speaker 1: because that's the way I view it. I got it.
Speaker 1: And even even the bias of the way that you
Speaker 1: view people and categorize them, and um, so I'll over
Speaker 1: emphasize that a lot because there is a thing that's
Speaker 1: going on today to where we demonize people that did
Speaker 1: stuff a long time ago. And I had a section
Speaker 1: in there about how usually the antagonist in the story
Speaker 1: that I was telling about to come so it was
Speaker 1: the Americans, Like it was kind of like these evil people,
Speaker 1: And that's not entirely fair either, because but that just
Speaker 1: wasn't the story we we're telling, you know, there was,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it does any good to demonize
Speaker 1: those people today, two hundred years after it happened, and
Speaker 1: it's it's a war out trope and somebody could be like, man,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't even say that, but I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the people that are here today didn't do
Speaker 1: those things. But but there is power inside of being
Speaker 1: empathetic to this day because that's massively what I am
Speaker 1: like when I hear the talking comes to and sit
Speaker 1: with Ben Barnes, like, I'm empathetic towards their cause. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, but there's a difference between having empathy and
Speaker 1: feeling guilty. Yeah, yeah, I don't think anything about that.
Speaker 1: Chief Barnes cured the whole problem with me having to
Speaker 1: look at that, you know, I was I had to
Speaker 1: come say at one level, when when this whole thing
Speaker 1: started and when he slapped me in the head with
Speaker 1: a wet squirrel, when he started talking about you know,
Speaker 1: he was just one guy, I thought, Wow, we were
Speaker 1: doing these other folks at this service by not recognizing them.
Speaker 1: And that, you know what I said, inspired me to
Speaker 1: do some research about that. But that that was that
Speaker 1: brought what you're talking about now, that brought that all
Speaker 1: home to me. There, it just makes it makes so
Speaker 1: much sense. He couldn't have done that without, you know,
Speaker 1: by hisself, and there was he had a big supporting
Speaker 1: cast of folks, and it just elevated the It elevated
Speaker 1: the story of the history of it a whole lot
Speaker 1: more than me because of that. Well, someone that's a
Speaker 1: great communicator is recognized by history a lot of the
Speaker 1: times more than the people that just had actions. So
Speaker 1: a guy that just has actions, he just seen something
Speaker 1: needed to be done and he went out and done it.
Speaker 1: You may never know who that guy is, but the
Speaker 1: guy that could speak about it, well you know who
Speaker 1: that guy is. So not saying that he didn't have actions,
Speaker 1: obviously he did. But through history that's how it's always been.
Speaker 1: The great orator was always the one that was known
Speaker 1: through history. Yeah yeah, Um, that's probably part of the
Speaker 1: reason he was such a good leader too, was I mean,
Speaker 1: he was a great orator, but he also led through
Speaker 1: his actions. I mean he died on the battlefield, you know.
Speaker 1: He wasn't like sitting somewhere up on a hill watching
Speaker 1: it go down. He was out there. Well, how many
Speaker 1: battles can you be in before you die? So he
Speaker 1: predicted his death. Um, you had a podcast one time
Speaker 1: about making your own luck. I think it was, and
Speaker 1: that your your mindset and your attitude a lot of
Speaker 1: times creates that luck. I'm sure this didn't happen, but
Speaker 1: this is what was in my mind. He thought he
Speaker 1: was going to die. He had a vision of it.
Speaker 1: So did that affect him on the battlefield that day,
Speaker 1: whether the vision was going to be true or not?
Speaker 1: If you go out there with that attitude, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, And I wondered if you ever said that
Speaker 1: before and it didn't come and nobody ever remembered it,
Speaker 1: I mean for real? Yeah, yeah, or you know that postalgia.
Speaker 1: Did he really even say it, you know? Or was
Speaker 1: that just added to you know, we're not easy? How
Speaker 1: easy would it be though for the Yeah, that story,
Speaker 1: like I want it to be true so bad. I
Speaker 1: want it so bad to be true. Postalgia in it
Speaker 1: to the to the ground. It's like, why for no
Speaker 1: reason other than you want to feel like his death
Speaker 1: was scripted by something bigger than him just taking a bullet,
Speaker 1: a random bullet, Because if a if an authority from
Speaker 1: another realm informed him of his death the day before
Speaker 1: it happened, it meant that it was like supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: That's the way I think about it. And but how
Speaker 1: easy would it be for a story like that to
Speaker 1: be made Because his father died, his brother died, his
Speaker 1: chiefs died, cornstalk died, his he had basically had three
Speaker 1: He had a real dad, then he kind of had
Speaker 1: two basically adopted dad's died, and all of them died.
Speaker 1: Chis Aqua. I said that over and over every single
Speaker 1: podcast I talked about chiess Aqua, his older brother saying
Speaker 1: that he'd rather have his the fouls of the air
Speaker 1: pick his bones than to be buried back at camp.
Speaker 1: It's like those guys, they didn't think about death the
Speaker 1: way we do. Death was like tomorrow, Yeah, well every
Speaker 1: day was if They wasn't fighting each other or somebody else.
Speaker 1: They were fighting the land they were living on to
Speaker 1: stay alive. So every day was they were in battle
Speaker 1: every day just with well, we we live in such
Speaker 1: a soft world now, we can't even comprehend how they
Speaker 1: felt about that stuff. You know. Now whe someone goes
Speaker 1: to war, they come back and we have something to
Speaker 1: describe what's wrong with them, and we call it PTSD.
Speaker 1: There probably wouldn't anyone back then that didn't have PTSD.
Speaker 1: So you know the fact of you're gonna die is
Speaker 1: something that's just accepted. Um, Like you said, everyone before
Speaker 1: him died. How many shootouts can you get into before
Speaker 1: you get shot? Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, that's wild now
Speaker 1: when these when these series are over, I am I
Speaker 1: said it on the podcast, I use the word melancholy.
Speaker 1: It's a good word. I really do like They'll probably
Speaker 1: never another period in my life where I'm focused on
Speaker 1: just doing the research and just having to do this
Speaker 1: stuff as I will be on t COOMSA and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish there was I wish there was a fourth
Speaker 1: and the fifth, but it's been my favorite really all right.
Speaker 1: Dave tell us why avatars like dances? Wolves Chief Ben
Speaker 1: Barnes just randomly threw that out there as if we
Speaker 1: would all understand that. Tell me, tell me what that
Speaker 1: I mean. They're very similar in the fact that, uh,
Speaker 1: a white guy goes in, you know, Kevin Costner goes
Speaker 1: in what is a scout and dances with wolves and
Speaker 1: ends up basically, by the end of the movie living
Speaker 1: with the tribe. I can't remember the name of the
Speaker 1: tribe that he was with that and that it's been
Speaker 1: a long time since I've seen either of these movies.
Speaker 1: And then Dances with Wolves a guy goes in you
Speaker 1: just told us dances Yeah, and then Avatar basically a
Speaker 1: white guy goes in in this to an alien world,
Speaker 1: to this alien world, falls in love, turns against the
Speaker 1: people that are trying to basically mind this planet or
Speaker 1: alien world, and ends up living with them. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I see, I see it now, I just forgot the storyline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Costner and Dances with Wolves was the American sent
Speaker 1: out on the planes and then he becomes basically an
Speaker 1: Indian Avatar, white guy sent to another planet too extract resource.
Speaker 1: Is that right essentially? Yeah, but then he becomes like
Speaker 1: an alien. Okay, the big overall, I think arching theme
Speaker 1: there is the misunderstanding of that alien nation by the
Speaker 1: culture that's taking it over. I have no clue about
Speaker 1: their alter whatsoever, their spirituality, nothing, So they're coming from
Speaker 1: that perspective, and those those two films are the revelation
Speaker 1: of that character coming to that like, oh, I had
Speaker 1: no idea that these guys were this way and this
Speaker 1: is a better way of life or whatever. That's no value,
Speaker 1: And they had value after he realized what was taking play.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good, that that is everything. Um okay,
Speaker 1: another thing, Grantly Buffalo, did y'all hear that song? Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: the Last Days of Teakamsa. I'm gonna I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: it up and read the lyrics. If you did, y'all
Speaker 1: listen to the song the past, well, you should put
Speaker 1: it on your playlist on whatever you do. Last Days
Speaker 1: of Tekampsa. And because it's it's very short, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the lyrics of it. So this is
Speaker 1: the entire song by Grantly Buffalo, and it says in
Speaker 1: the last days of two Cumpsa there in the end,
Speaker 1: there were rumors of invasion, even talk of spacemen, but
Speaker 1: he couldn't believe that all he knew would fade in
Speaker 1: the ground below the airplanes, two Cumpsa were laid. That's
Speaker 1: the whole song. There's not that, there's not another part
Speaker 1: of it. When I first read it, I just thought
Speaker 1: it was kind of a nonsensical just like what And
Speaker 1: I went online and there were some forums. One guy said, oh,
Speaker 1: he's not talking about two cumps to the Native American.
Speaker 1: He's talking about two Cumpsa Oklahoma, a town that kind
Speaker 1: of fizzled out. That was what this guy said. I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about two comes to Oklahoma. There is
Speaker 1: there is such a place. But I think I think
Speaker 1: it's talking about Tea Coomsa in the last days and
Speaker 1: here here it is in last days of two Cumpsa.
Speaker 1: There in the end, there were rumors of invasion and
Speaker 1: even talk of spacemen, which spacemen would be equivalent to
Speaker 1: people from another place. Okay, so that makes sense. They
Speaker 1: would have had the first white people they saw, they
Speaker 1: would have probably thought these cats are from a different world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they literally did, literally were they thought? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: absolutely did, And that would have been a long time
Speaker 1: before Tikomsa. They would have been pretty but it also
Speaker 1: would have yeah, spacemen. So Grantly Buffalo is trying to
Speaker 1: put it into context for us today, it would be
Speaker 1: like spacemen showing up here and taking our land. That's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Grantly, he couldn't believe that all he knew
Speaker 1: would fade. Now that could tie right back to TEKUMPSA.
Speaker 1: In the ground below the airplanes two comes to relate.
Speaker 1: I think that shows that the spaceman won, and this
Speaker 1: sacred ground now he's got airplanes flying over it. It
Speaker 1: comes is in the ground like they took it over
Speaker 1: they they what what could have? What? What was now
Speaker 1: has airplanes flying over it. So in the ground below
Speaker 1: the airplanes two comes to relate, any thoughts, what do
Speaker 1: you think? Lauren goes right back to the avatar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's the it's very similar story. Dave, am
Speaker 1: I right am? I writer, am I right? Chief said,
Speaker 1: I don't know I did it. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I do know is you're
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of messages about that. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: That song though, was perfect because the first time Steve
Speaker 1: Ronell is the one who told me to listen to it.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, you gotta listen to Grantly Buffalo last
Speaker 1: day six come. So I put it on. It starts
Speaker 1: off really cool and acoustic. Dun dun d d d.
Speaker 1: I'm like, right on and they start singing and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can get behind this. And then it ends and
Speaker 1: in six seconds the song ends and just like it
Speaker 1: comes to his life. Maybe it were longer. That's a
Speaker 1: great metaphor, right there. May have been exactly on purpose.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well, hey guys, it's great to have everybody, Michael.
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Speaker 1: have a lifetime warranty. Tell me what that means? Everything
Speaker 1: except for the charger, which has a two year warranty.
Speaker 1: The hat that it's mounted to really doesn't have a warranty.
Speaker 1: It's to wear item. Everything on that light is um.
Speaker 1: We fix it with no charge except for ten dollars
Speaker 1: for return shipping. Um. Except for damage, which most of
Speaker 1: the time, we wind up just fixing and sending back
Speaker 1: anyway because it's too big of a hassle to contact
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Speaker 1: you'll buy some people, might You know, these lights aren't cheap,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. They're not. You're not gonna pay a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for one of these lights. But I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it would be like you see these guys driving
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Speaker 1: a little backhoe, a little front end loader. It's about
Speaker 1: as big as a tractor. This guy's going and he
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna landscape his yard. And then you see
Speaker 1: the dude drive by with a big Caterpillar back hoe
Speaker 1: on the you know, being pulled by a dump truck.
Speaker 1: The little hundred dollar light is like that little John
Speaker 1: Deere tractor that the guy went and bought three bags
Speaker 1: of mulch at Lows and is gonna put him in
Speaker 1: his front end loader and drive around the backyard. You know,
Speaker 1: the caterpillar tractor is the sun spotlight. If you've never
Speaker 1: used a coon light, you don't know what you're missing.
Speaker 1: In the dark is a dark place, and once you
Speaker 1: start using a coon light, you can never go back.
Speaker 1: Just like once you get on that caterpillar back hoh
Speaker 1: and start digging a ditch in your backyard, you ain't
Speaker 1: going back to that little John dere nothing against John Deer.
Speaker 1: They just have a little home grade version. No. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, now, that one's gonna get you more male
Speaker 1: than you do. Understand what I'm saying though, I'm serious, Michael.
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I'm like, you have
Speaker 1: no idea you need one of these lights. I do,
Speaker 1: so you can buy on the Meta dot com. You
Speaker 1: can buy them from Michael. Lauren and I were both
Speaker 1: wearing little, tiny, yeah knock packing headlamps and you can
Speaker 1: hardly tell me how to light on our head. Impair
Speaker 1: to you, guys, I'm not going to tell you what
Speaker 1: we were saying behind your back. They made film in
Speaker 1: Raccoon hunting way better. Yeah, we wouldn't have been able
Speaker 1: to do it without ye and you guys did an
Speaker 1: excellent job out there too. Well you haven't seen the footage.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I enjoyed out there, I hope. So
Speaker 1: sometimes I enjoyed watching you work. I've never seen it before,
Speaker 1: and it was it was. It makes you understand a
Speaker 1: lot better about you know, I watched Meat Eater, but
Speaker 1: you're just seeing Clay or Steve for someone on there.
Speaker 1: You don't see you guys running around back behind and
Speaker 1: you know I was following you guys around hiding behind
Speaker 1: trees and such. You don't realize that either. If you
Speaker 1: can find Michael Roseman in the film that eventually comes
Speaker 1: out and give you a sun spotlight, I was pretty
Speaker 1: good at hide. I know. I know. If you find
Speaker 1: a picture of Michael Roseman in the final edit of this,
Speaker 1: we'll give you a sunspot that's that's not a sasquatch.
Speaker 1: That's Michael. Yeah, that's what I said. They're somebody who's
Speaker 1: gonna be sending in emails talking about they've seen a
Speaker 1: sasquatch in the background. The part that that aggravated me though,
Speaker 1: is I wanted to scream when you guys were over
Speaker 1: there missing squirrels that I could see backed off from
Speaker 1: a hundred yards. Yeah, okay, you are like, I don't
Speaker 1: seem and y'all walk away and I'm like, he's right there.
Speaker 1: That would have been worth yell in that as I
Speaker 1: could did that out. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah that happened
Speaker 1: because you had your thermal and we're looking at these
Speaker 1: juries sometimes way from way back, you can use a
Speaker 1: thermal to squirrel hunt on cloudy days if sunshine and
Speaker 1: it's worthless. But on a cloudy day, you can find
Speaker 1: squirrels with a thermal. Yeah, and it's not a thermal
Speaker 1: and of gun, no, no, it's binocular, a little binocular
Speaker 1: you put up and you can see heat rising off.
Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. Fun hunt man, Yeah, it's fun. This
Speaker 1: whole project was great. Yeah all right, guys, well thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. And you're not gonna believe what the mixed
Speaker 1: burgers he is going to do about for show boom
Speaker 1: boom on, let's go get some chocolate gravy.