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Speaker 1: M My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a

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Speaker 1: production of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of these, uh these snake boots.

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Speaker 1: I wore these the entire week while I was hunting Mexico.

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Speaker 1: These are lacrosse straight up snake boots. They kind of

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Speaker 1: look they kind of have a cowboy boot, but kind

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Speaker 1: of with a non aggressive heel, leather, square toe. They

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Speaker 1: come up like all the way almost to your knee,

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Speaker 1: but they put on easier than a rubber boot. Their

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Speaker 1: waterproof and when you wear them you feel like you've

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Speaker 1: When he was doing no, it was cold. We're at

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Speaker 1: was very cold up there. Well, we have a very

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Speaker 1: eclectic group here at the Beargreas Renter today, none of

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Speaker 1: which are qualified to be here based upon good looks, education, accomplishments,

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Speaker 1: in life, speak for yourself or no, just kidding, the

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Speaker 1: least of which isn't To my left, Lauren Malten, long

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Speaker 1: time meat Eater videographer correct four years. Yeah, Yeah, traveled

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Speaker 1: all over all over with all different varieties of meteor folks.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you, Lauren, Thanks for having me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To Lauren's left, the illustrious Britt Reeves, good to be here, Brett,

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Speaker 1: good to see you, man, Good to be seen. To

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Speaker 1: This will greatly reflect my participation in today's endevor go ahead.

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Speaker 1: You want me to talk about your outfit again? I

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Speaker 1: think of what's the brand overalls roundhouse with a coon

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Speaker 1: fob and as pocket watch. We're in a first light shirt.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty sassy. Do your left, Michael Roseman. Michael, you've

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Speaker 1: been on the Burger shrun before, haven't you? Yes, on

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Speaker 1: the where the red farm grows. So Michael is the

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Speaker 1: owner of sun spot Lights, which were the they're the

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Speaker 1: Arkansas based company. Yes, and they are super bright, man,

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Speaker 1: I tell people NonStop. People people challenge me about lights,

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Speaker 1: and you pull out that sun spot. Yeah. We found

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Speaker 1: great to have, Michael. We're gonna come back to that.

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Speaker 1: To Michael's left, Big Dirty Dave Gardener from Montana, How

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Speaker 1: for years, and he said that when you address a

425
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: letter in China, the first thing you write is China

426
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: the country, then the state, then the the actual site

427
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: specific address, and then the name at the bottom, and

428
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: that in that is an indication of the importance of

429
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: the things like what comes first is most important, and

430
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: you know at the bottom is the individual. And he

431
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: compared that to the Shawnee language that these other guys were.

432
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: You know that the chief told us about about how

433
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: the Shawnees they focus on the verb, not the noun,

434
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: the nouns at the end, the verbs closer to the front.

435
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: You know, he talked about language and stuff, so I

436
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: think I think there's a lot of things like that

437
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: going on, for sure. Yeah. The other thing that was

438
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: really interesting was kind of how how we kind of

439
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: or he's kind of glorified today because he lost, right,

440
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: and it's how would that how different would that be

441
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: if things had played out differently? I thought about something

442
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: when when he was talking about that Dave, when he

443
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: what's to say and how they European are the white

444
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: settlers and everything put him up the old saying if

445
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: you want to be the man, you gotta beat the man.

446
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, if he had won, they probably wouldn't have

447
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: put him up that far. There wouldn't have been but

448
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: they had value in you know, if you're the number

449
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: one seed and you beat the number twenty seed, who

450
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: cares you're supposed to beat that guy. But if you're

451
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: the number two guys and you beat the number one guy,

452
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, you've got something to talk about. And I

453
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: could see where, you know, how that played out in

454
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: how I guess it was put out through the social

455
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: media of the time, you know, you know, yeah, we're

456
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: number one now, you know, we beat the Kumps. Who's

457
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: the comes Oh man, he was unbeatable. He was this

458
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: big leader, you know, and he's doing all these great

459
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: things and we want Yeah, but how that happened. He

460
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: had characteristics that were to be admired because there are

461
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people that we've beat that we hate.

462
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there there are people that are considered the

463
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: devil and we beat them. But he had these characteristics

464
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: to begin with. Oh yeah. And I wouldn't say, I

465
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't take any other thing away from that. I was

466
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: just saying how they they wanted it was more or

467
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: less bragging rights. No, you're you're correct. I'm not. I'm not.

468
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you're not. What it was talked

469
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: about about the what they call it postagia. Yeah, that

470
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: they they add things to him. Um. So with the

471
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: racial climate at the time, they added they basically whitewashed

472
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: him to make him more acceptable to the American people

473
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, they added characteristics also that

474
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: uh would make these people relate to him, Um, like

475
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: he talked about, you know, they the lady, the white lady,

476
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: that they said that he would set at their feet

477
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: while she read to him. And it's not true. According

478
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: to that guy. I had no idea, But so they

479
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: add things like that so that he would be able

480
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: to be admired by the people. And one of the

481
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: reasons for that is they're selling books too. I mean,

482
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: you know the people that did this a little yeah,

483
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, and we probably do that all the time.

484
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: We do it to a lot of people. There's a

485
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: there's a play. There's a play in Chillicothe, Ohio to

486
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: this day that has been going on for I think

487
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: fifty plus years. And it's a big outdoor, big outdoor

488
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: play that big auditorium outdoors that holds I think it

489
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: holds people and there's a cast of over a hundred people,

490
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: as I understand that, and it's called Kumsa and I've

491
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: been to it. It was it was very entertaining. Yeah,

492
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: And that's the play that the chief said he didn't

493
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: like at all. And it's because there's a lot of

494
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: the fables kind of mixed into that story. Because that

495
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: the writer of that play was Alan Eckhert, who I said,

496
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: I wrote the book Frontiersman and ek hurt Um just

497
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: at the time. I don't know history at the time

498
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: when he wrote it, whenever that was it, maybe the

499
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: seventies or eighties. Somebody will write me a mean email

500
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: about getting that day wrong. But they that was just

501
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: kind of the going thing that he had this white

502
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: woman that he was in love with, and so that's

503
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: all in the play, and that's the kind of stuff

504
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: that the chief was like, this is hogwash, this is crazy,

505
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Which was interesting because that play is alive and well

506
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: today it's worth going to. It was very well done,

507
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: put together, big tourist attraction there in Chillicothe, Ohio. But

508
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: it's entertainment and not history. Listen right, and there's I mean,

509
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: there's parts of it that that are true. And when

510
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: you see it, I think you do you do understand

511
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more about to come somebody. It Also,

512
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: the play also paints Ten Squintatwa his brother as kind

513
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: of them battling against each other and kind of fighting

514
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: for power. And I think now they've kind of dismissed

515
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: that a little bit more and just said they they

516
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: really did kind of work and tandem together more and

517
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: more anyway. You know, there's so you could nitpick all

518
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: of it. But but it was interesting because talking about

519
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: the phastalgia, I thought that was so such an interesting word.

520
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Um well, we do that to a lot of people

521
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: in history. I mean you look at all the outlaws

522
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: in the West that were you know, idolized, and these

523
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: people were murderers, but they they add these stories to them,

524
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: the you know, to make them more. When you said

525
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: palatable too everyone to read. The first time I've used

526
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: it word a long time, I didn't know you knew it. Mostalgia.

527
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: He said that that was longing for a past that

528
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't exist. And hey, I also took a little bit

529
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: of criticism on this two come to podcast from some

530
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: people that said that, okay, and here's just the simplest

531
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: version now vigating some very treacherous political waters. Let's go, yes,

532
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: let's do this. Um is that the Native Americans were

533
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: were radically got the raw end of this deal. Like

534
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody disagrees to that, I mean massive,

535
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: and there their civilization suffered for it. America did all

536
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: this stuff, which is absolutely true, broke treaties, just tried

537
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: to annihilate and dismantle the civilization, no doubt. So now

538
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: two years later, in kind of in kind of response

539
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: to us being so when I say us, I'm saying

540
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: that because I'm an American citizen. So if you're an

541
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: American citizen, you you know your country did this. Our

542
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: response to that is to um romanticize Native American life

543
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: as being this just like beautiful, utopian, you topian place

544
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: and these people were just at one with nature and

545
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: one with each other, and they didn't have problems, and

546
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: they had this great little world over here that got

547
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: so and we know that that is an entirely true

548
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: either that's more of a recent thing, though, was it not. Well,

549
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: it's it's just the way we talked about like somebody

550
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: said that, you know, we're we like hyper glamorized, you know,

551
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: two kumsa and him guarding this way of life and

552
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: him wanting just this traditional Indian way of life. And

553
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: what they would say is like, man, this this place

554
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: was a war zone they got here, which is true

555
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: with their neighbors just like we are now. Yeah, and

556
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: so you know, you can go to one extreme to

557
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: the other, and what you want to have is just

558
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: kind of an understanding that yes, we did the United

559
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: States did give these people a radically raw deal. They did,

560
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: and it was unique too in the fact that I

561
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not a history buff so I don't

562
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: know the reasons as much, But we slowly crept across

563
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: the land, so to keep from fighting in all out

564
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: war with all of these people, we just kind of

565
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: slowly took it and made deals and you know, we'll

566
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: buy this from you. And that was the thing. A

567
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: lot of that land was bought, they paid money for it,

568
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: but from what I understand reading, um, some of that

569
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: land was sold by tribes that didn't actually own it. Yeah,

570
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: so a whole lot of uh. And it's so complicated,

571
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: and it's so it's not stuff that's that I wanted

572
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: to talk about just for sake of It just wasn't

573
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: the story we were telling. But yeah, the the acquisition

574
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: of land of the US from all the tribes is

575
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean hundreds and hundreds of treaties, people selling land

576
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: that they actually didn't known, I mean, betrayal inside from

577
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: tribe to tribe. But all this just wildly complex stuff

578
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: that happened. And uh, but this was a treaty that

579
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: he was against that started this correct well, and and

580
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: and that's a simplistic story because it was decades of

581
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: all these treaties, but his his the thing that drew

582
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: the line of the sand was the Treaty of Greenville,

583
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: which was drew a line somewhere in Ohio what is

584
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: now Ohio, and it was like, you know, Europeans, you

585
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: know Americans can't come across this line. And they did

586
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: and that's when it comes I was like, okay, no more,

587
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: no more a diplomat. We're gonna have to fight these guys.

588
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: That's when he joined up with the British and started fighting. Um. So,

589
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: another way that we could simplify all this too, it

590
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: is that or it seems like it would be simple,

591
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: is like, why weren't all these tribes in on this.

592
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they have come to to come says idea

593
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: of this painting the Confederacy and fighting against him, because

594
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: that didn't make sense to me at first, because the

595
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: way we painted him in just this revolutionary Native American leader,

596
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: it seems like every tribe in the country would have

597
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: been like, yes, let's stand and fight against these guys.

598
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: But man, that it was so complex. Going back to that,

599
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: a lot of tribes had great deals with the US government,

600
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: where they were getting money, where they were getting supplies,

601
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: where they were getting all this stuff. And Dave Edmonds

602
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: talked about it. It comes succumbs to that tribe and

603
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we gotta fight these guys. And the

604
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: chief was like a bro, we got a pretty good

605
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: thing here. And that's what happened. And most of the

606
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: tribes rejected him. Most the guys that were fighting with

607
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: him were a small percentage of where most of those

608
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: and are do you you might even know that that

609
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: may not have come up. Most of the folks that

610
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: stood with him where they from, you know, if they

611
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: were from the same area, or they have similar religions

612
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: and ways of life. Is that came about? Not necessarily

613
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: the There were at least twelve tribes that were represented

614
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: in the Pan Indian Confederacy, and many a lot of

615
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: the Shawnees even rejected to comes to his vision. Yeah,

616
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: lots of the Shawnees. And there's today several divisions of

617
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: Shawnees even and and today amongst those divisions, you can

618
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: trace back to the people that were with takomes To

619
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: and the people that were against him. And um, but

620
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: that was one of the most remarkable things. And the

621
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: reason we remember him is because he was the really

622
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: the only guy that ever united the tribes. That was

623
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: a big deal. That was like major diplomacy, a major thing,

624
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: which is also evidence why they believed that he was

625
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: one of the greatest orators and leaders of the Native

626
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: American people because he could ride up into a camp

627
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: of chairkeys or or mingoes and give I mean, all

628
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: he had was a speech. Like he didn't have a website,

629
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: he didn't have a podcast, he didn't have a television crew.

630
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: All he had. All he had was standing up in

631
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: front of these people around a big fire saying, we

632
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: gotta fight these guys. I mean, wouldn't have been something.

633
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it have been something to have just one of

634
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: those recorded. Yeah, that was my takeaway from it all

635
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: was the fact that he was able to band together

636
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: all those different tribes and all those different folks from

637
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: different areas and get him to rally. So that alone

638
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: just showed how powerful is personality was anything else. And

639
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, the two of them that just coming together

640
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: and rally and everybody. That's what I was going to

641
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: point out is that you hear about the Indian nation

642
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: and warring nations, right, and that the tribes apparently didn't

643
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: get along a lot of the time. But now that

644
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: it's all kind of spelled out, it makes sense. But

645
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: for those guys at that time to rally everyone together,

646
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: it's just an amazing deal. That was To me anyway,

647
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: that was like wow, that takes a lot of Yeah.

648
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: You know. Another thing that's interesting is that this happened

649
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: here and what is now the United States, where uh,

650
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: basically another group of people came into land that was

651
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: already occupied and pushed out the people that were occupied.

652
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: That's the story of planet Earth. That has never not

653
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: happened somewhere. But that's what I was saying about. It

654
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: happened differently. Normally, you came, you come in, you attack

655
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: the country, you take it all. You don't slowly make

656
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: deals with people, and then renewed on it until you

657
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: reach the other ocean. You just it it. The whole

658
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: thing may have been looked at differently had there just

659
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: been a massive army come in and just run through

660
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: the whole thing and then people do what they do,

661
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: just like they do now when a country is taken over.

662
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: But the fact that so many that there was trust

663
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: involved So these people are coming into your yard out

664
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: here and they're going, I just want to buy your backyard,

665
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: and you said, okay, I'll sell that. And the next thing,

666
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, you look up and there coming through your

667
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: back door and they said, well, I want to live

668
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: on your couch. Can I do that? And you make

669
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: a deal with them, and then you're in there in

670
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: your kitchen and it's just a complete different thing than

671
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: coming in and taking everything from you at once. It

672
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: would be more traumatizing for that to happen for me

673
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: then for all of a sudden, I lose it all

674
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: and you have this one feeling about that would be

675
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 1: different than watching them they're slowly take it from you. Yeah,

676
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: that's a good point, and it would have been generation No. Two,

677
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: you know two. Kompsa was born where he was born

678
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: because his parents went to a basically a Shawnee convention

679
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: about what to do about these white Europeans coming into Kentucky.

680
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: That was right when Boone and them were coming in.

681
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: That's why they were near and Chilla coffee was because

682
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: they were like sending out messages to the to the

683
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: to the people that were scattered abroad. We gotta come together.

684
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: And figure out what we're gonna do about these people

685
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: coming into our land killing our game. So, I mean

686
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: he was born into this, that was a part of

687
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: his life. It wasn't like they just showed up while

688
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: he was here. So and that happened for generations and generations.

689
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it's it's it's really interesting. I over emphasized

690
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: it in the podcasts. Maybe too much, maybe not enough,

691
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, But about how we tell a story

692
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: from a place of bias, you can't. I can't tell

693
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: you about our coon hunt last night. It was from

694
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: my eyeballs that I saw what happened, and in that

695
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: version of that would be different than your version. Even

696
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: the motivations. If I was telling you the motivations of

697
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: why we turned right off the levee and went to

698
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: the frog pond rather than turning left off the levee

699
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: and going to the to the inside the levee, I mean,

700
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: I might have been like, man, Michael, he hates frogs. Frogs,

701
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: you're right, And then but then Britt would have been like, well,

702
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: actually he loves frogs. That's why we were going in

703
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: there and kill the coons. They're eating the frogs. Well,

704
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, I've always said a hundred

705
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: times two different stories. If you want two different stories,

706
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: get two eyewitnesses to the same event, because people's perception

707
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: and there their internal bias, whether it's subliminal or whatever,

708
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: is going to determine how they see something. And even

709
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: me telling the story if it comes. And I said

710
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: it on the podcast. When I first heard about him

711
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: and learned about him, I was like, this is gonna

712
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: be a great story because this guy was so awesome.

713
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: He was such a he's good, he stood out, he

714
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: was like I totally had a a way that I

715
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: want and there's no hiding it. If I do a

716
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: story on Warner Glenn, I'm gonna tell you the best

717
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: version of him. I mean I want It's not like

718
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: when you get done listening to me talking about Warner Glenn,

719
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: I want you to be like he was all right,

720
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: I guess like I want you to be like that

721
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: guy must be the coolest, coolest guy on planet Earth,

722
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: because that's the way I view it. I got it.

723
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: And even even the bias of the way that you

724
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: view people and categorize them, and um, so I'll over

725
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: emphasize that a lot because there is a thing that's

726
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: going on today to where we demonize people that did

727
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: stuff a long time ago. And I had a section

728
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: in there about how usually the antagonist in the story

729
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: that I was telling about to come so it was

730
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: the Americans, Like it was kind of like these evil people,

731
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: And that's not entirely fair either, because but that just

732
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: wasn't the story we we're telling, you know, there was,

733
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: and I don't think it does any good to demonize

734
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: those people today, two hundred years after it happened, and

735
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: it's it's a war out trope and somebody could be like, man,

736
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: you shouldn't even say that, but I don't know, you know,

737
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: it's like the people that are here today didn't do

738
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: those things. But but there is power inside of being

739
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: empathetic to this day because that's massively what I am

740
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: like when I hear the talking comes to and sit

741
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: with Ben Barnes, like, I'm empathetic towards their cause. I'm

742
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: just like, but there's a difference between having empathy and

743
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: feeling guilty. Yeah, yeah, I don't think anything about that.

744
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: Chief Barnes cured the whole problem with me having to

745
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: look at that, you know, I was I had to

746
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: come say at one level, when when this whole thing

747
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: started and when he slapped me in the head with

748
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: a wet squirrel, when he started talking about you know,

749
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: he was just one guy, I thought, Wow, we were

750
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: doing these other folks at this service by not recognizing them.

751
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: And that, you know what I said, inspired me to

752
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: do some research about that. But that that was that

753
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: brought what you're talking about now, that brought that all

754
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: home to me. There, it just makes it makes so

755
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: much sense. He couldn't have done that without, you know,

756
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: by hisself, and there was he had a big supporting

757
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: cast of folks, and it just elevated the It elevated

758
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: the story of the history of it a whole lot

759
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: more than me because of that. Well, someone that's a

760
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: great communicator is recognized by history a lot of the

761
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: times more than the people that just had actions. So

762
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: a guy that just has actions, he just seen something

763
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: needed to be done and he went out and done it.

764
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: You may never know who that guy is, but the

765
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: guy that could speak about it, well you know who

766
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: that guy is. So not saying that he didn't have actions,

767
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: obviously he did. But through history that's how it's always been.

768
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: The great orator was always the one that was known

769
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: through history. Yeah yeah, Um, that's probably part of the

770
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: reason he was such a good leader too, was I mean,

771
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: he was a great orator, but he also led through

772
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: his actions. I mean he died on the battlefield, you know.

773
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: He wasn't like sitting somewhere up on a hill watching

774
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: it go down. He was out there. Well, how many

775
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: battles can you be in before you die? So he

776
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: predicted his death. Um, you had a podcast one time

777
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: about making your own luck. I think it was, and

778
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: that your your mindset and your attitude a lot of

779
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: times creates that luck. I'm sure this didn't happen, but

780
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: this is what was in my mind. He thought he

781
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: was going to die. He had a vision of it.

782
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: So did that affect him on the battlefield that day,

783
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: whether the vision was going to be true or not?

784
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: If you go out there with that attitude, you know,

785
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, And I wondered if you ever said that

786
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: before and it didn't come and nobody ever remembered it,

787
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean for real? Yeah, yeah, or you know that postalgia.

788
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: Did he really even say it, you know? Or was

789
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: that just added to you know, we're not easy? How

790
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: easy would it be though for the Yeah, that story,

791
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: like I want it to be true so bad. I

792
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: want it so bad to be true. Postalgia in it

793
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: to the to the ground. It's like, why for no

794
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: reason other than you want to feel like his death

795
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: was scripted by something bigger than him just taking a bullet,

796
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: a random bullet, Because if a if an authority from

797
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: another realm informed him of his death the day before

798
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: it happened, it meant that it was like supposed to happen.

799
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: That's the way I think about it. And but how

800
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: easy would it be for a story like that to

801
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: be made Because his father died, his brother died, his

802
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: chiefs died, cornstalk died, his he had basically had three

803
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: He had a real dad, then he kind of had

804
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: two basically adopted dad's died, and all of them died.

805
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: Chis Aqua. I said that over and over every single

806
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: podcast I talked about chiess Aqua, his older brother saying

807
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: that he'd rather have his the fouls of the air

808
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: pick his bones than to be buried back at camp.

809
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: It's like those guys, they didn't think about death the

810
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: way we do. Death was like tomorrow, Yeah, well every

811
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: day was if They wasn't fighting each other or somebody else.

812
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: They were fighting the land they were living on to

813
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: stay alive. So every day was they were in battle

814
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: every day just with well, we we live in such

815
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: a soft world now, we can't even comprehend how they

816
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: felt about that stuff. You know. Now whe someone goes

817
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: to war, they come back and we have something to

818
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: describe what's wrong with them, and we call it PTSD.

819
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: There probably wouldn't anyone back then that didn't have PTSD.

820
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: So you know the fact of you're gonna die is

821
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: something that's just accepted. Um, Like you said, everyone before

822
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: him died. How many shootouts can you get into before

823
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: you get shot? Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, that's wild now

824
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: when these when these series are over, I am I

825
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: said it on the podcast, I use the word melancholy.

826
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: It's a good word. I really do like They'll probably

827
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: never another period in my life where I'm focused on

828
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: just doing the research and just having to do this

829
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: stuff as I will be on t COOMSA and uh yeah,

830
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: I wish there was I wish there was a fourth

831
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: and the fifth, but it's been my favorite really all right.

832
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: Dave tell us why avatars like dances? Wolves Chief Ben

833
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Barnes just randomly threw that out there as if we

834
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: would all understand that. Tell me, tell me what that

835
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean. They're very similar in the fact that, uh,

836
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: a white guy goes in, you know, Kevin Costner goes

837
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: in what is a scout and dances with wolves and

838
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: ends up basically, by the end of the movie living

839
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: with the tribe. I can't remember the name of the

840
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: tribe that he was with that and that it's been

841
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: a long time since I've seen either of these movies.

842
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: And then Dances with Wolves a guy goes in you

843
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: just told us dances Yeah, and then Avatar basically a

844
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: white guy goes in in this to an alien world,

845
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: to this alien world, falls in love, turns against the

846
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: people that are trying to basically mind this planet or

847
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: alien world, and ends up living with them. Yeah, okay,

848
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: I see, I see it now, I just forgot the storyline. Yeah,

849
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: so Costner and Dances with Wolves was the American sent

850
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: out on the planes and then he becomes basically an

851
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: Indian Avatar, white guy sent to another planet too extract resource.

852
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: Is that right essentially? Yeah, but then he becomes like

853
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: an alien. Okay, the big overall, I think arching theme

854
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: there is the misunderstanding of that alien nation by the

855
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: culture that's taking it over. I have no clue about

856
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: their alter whatsoever, their spirituality, nothing, So they're coming from

857
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: that perspective, and those those two films are the revelation

858
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: of that character coming to that like, oh, I had

859
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: no idea that these guys were this way and this

860
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: is a better way of life or whatever. That's no value,

861
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: And they had value after he realized what was taking play.

862
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good, that that is everything. Um okay,

863
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: another thing, Grantly Buffalo, did y'all hear that song? Yeah, um,

864
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: the Last Days of Teakamsa. I'm gonna I'm gonna look

865
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,959
Speaker 1: it up and read the lyrics. If you did, y'all

866
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: listen to the song the past, well, you should put

867
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: it on your playlist on whatever you do. Last Days

868
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: of Tekampsa. And because it's it's very short, I'm gonna

869
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the lyrics of it. So this is

870
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: the entire song by Grantly Buffalo, and it says in

871
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: the last days of two Cumpsa there in the end,

872
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: there were rumors of invasion, even talk of spacemen, but

873
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: he couldn't believe that all he knew would fade in

874
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: the ground below the airplanes, two Cumpsa were laid. That's

875
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: the whole song. There's not that, there's not another part

876
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: of it. When I first read it, I just thought

877
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of a nonsensical just like what And

878
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: I went online and there were some forums. One guy said, oh,

879
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: he's not talking about two cumps to the Native American.

880
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: He's talking about two Cumpsa Oklahoma, a town that kind

881
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: of fizzled out. That was what this guy said. I

882
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: don't know anything about two comes to Oklahoma. There is

883
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: there is such a place. But I think I think

884
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: it's talking about Tea Coomsa in the last days and

885
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: here here it is in last days of two Cumpsa.

886
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: There in the end, there were rumors of invasion and

887
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: even talk of spacemen, which spacemen would be equivalent to

888
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: people from another place. Okay, so that makes sense. They

889
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: would have had the first white people they saw, they

890
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: would have probably thought these cats are from a different world. Yeah,

891
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: well they literally did, literally were they thought? Yeah, they

892
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: absolutely did, And that would have been a long time

893
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: before Tikomsa. They would have been pretty but it also

894
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: would have yeah, spacemen. So Grantly Buffalo is trying to

895
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: put it into context for us today, it would be

896
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: like spacemen showing up here and taking our land. That's

897
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: pretty good. Grantly, he couldn't believe that all he knew

898
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: would fade. Now that could tie right back to TEKUMPSA.

899
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: In the ground below the airplanes two comes to relate.

900
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: I think that shows that the spaceman won, and this

901
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: sacred ground now he's got airplanes flying over it. It

902
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: comes is in the ground like they took it over

903
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: they they what what could have? What? What was now

904
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: has airplanes flying over it. So in the ground below

905
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: the airplanes two comes to relate, any thoughts, what do

906
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: you think? Lauren goes right back to the avatar. Yeah,

907
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's the it's very similar story. Dave, am

908
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: I right am? I writer, am I right? Chief said,

909
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't know I did it. I have no idea.

910
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I do know is you're

911
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of messages about that. Yeah. Uh.

912
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: That song though, was perfect because the first time Steve

913
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: Ronell is the one who told me to listen to it.

914
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: He said, oh, you gotta listen to Grantly Buffalo last

915
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: day six come. So I put it on. It starts

916
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: off really cool and acoustic. Dun dun d d d.

917
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, right on and they start singing and I'm like, yeah,

918
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: I can get behind this. And then it ends and

919
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: in six seconds the song ends and just like it

920
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: comes to his life. Maybe it were longer. That's a

921
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: great metaphor, right there. May have been exactly on purpose.

922
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well, hey guys, it's great to have everybody, Michael.

923
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: You can buy sunspot lights on the mediator website metor

924
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: dot com. You can just um, they're a little hard

925
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: to find on there, so just typ them into the

926
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: search bar up there. Yeah, if you type into the

927
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: search bar sun spot lights, they'll pop up. And these

928
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: lights have a lifetime warranty. Is that right? They do

929
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: have a lifetime warranty. Tell me what that means? Everything

930
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: except for the charger, which has a two year warranty.

931
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: The hat that it's mounted to really doesn't have a warranty.

932
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: It's to wear item. Everything on that light is um.

933
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: We fix it with no charge except for ten dollars

934
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: for return shipping. Um. Except for damage, which most of

935
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: the time, we wind up just fixing and sending back

936
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: anyway because it's too big of a hassle to contact

937
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: somebody over some little part that they broke. So and

938
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: that's an incredible warranty, even down to the battery. So

939
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 1: you'll buy some people, might You know, these lights aren't cheap,

940
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: that's for sure. They're not. You're not gonna pay a

941
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for one of these lights. But I'm telling

942
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: you it would be like you see these guys driving

943
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: around with these little little John Deer tractors that like

944
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: almost would fit in the back of a pickup, with

945
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: a little backhoe, a little front end loader. It's about

946
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: as big as a tractor. This guy's going and he

947
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna landscape his yard. And then you see

948
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: the dude drive by with a big Caterpillar back hoe

949
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: on the you know, being pulled by a dump truck.

950
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 1: The little hundred dollar light is like that little John

951
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: Deere tractor that the guy went and bought three bags

952
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: of mulch at Lows and is gonna put him in

953
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: his front end loader and drive around the backyard. You know,

954
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: the caterpillar tractor is the sun spotlight. If you've never

955
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: used a coon light, you don't know what you're missing.

956
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: In the dark is a dark place, and once you

957
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: start using a coon light, you can never go back.

958
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: Just like once you get on that caterpillar back hoh

959
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: and start digging a ditch in your backyard, you ain't

960
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: going back to that little John dere nothing against John Deer.

961
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: They just have a little home grade version. No. I mean,

962
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: come on, now, that one's gonna get you more male

963
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: than you do. Understand what I'm saying though, I'm serious, Michael.

964
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I'm like, you have

965
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: no idea you need one of these lights. I do,

966
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: so you can buy on the Meta dot com. You

967
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: can buy them from Michael. Lauren and I were both

968
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: wearing little, tiny, yeah knock packing headlamps and you can

969
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: hardly tell me how to light on our head. Impair

970
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: to you, guys, I'm not going to tell you what

971
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: we were saying behind your back. They made film in

972
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: Raccoon hunting way better. Yeah, we wouldn't have been able

973
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: to do it without ye and you guys did an

974
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: excellent job out there too. Well you haven't seen the footage.

975
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't care. I enjoyed out there, I hope. So

976
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,479
Speaker 1: sometimes I enjoyed watching you work. I've never seen it before,

977
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: and it was it was. It makes you understand a

978
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: lot better about you know, I watched Meat Eater, but

979
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: you're just seeing Clay or Steve for someone on there.

980
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: You don't see you guys running around back behind and

981
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: you know I was following you guys around hiding behind

982
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: trees and such. You don't realize that either. If you

983
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: can find Michael Roseman in the film that eventually comes

984
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: out and give you a sun spotlight, I was pretty

985
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: good at hide. I know. I know. If you find

986
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: a picture of Michael Roseman in the final edit of this,

987
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: we'll give you a sunspot that's that's not a sasquatch.

988
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: That's Michael. Yeah, that's what I said. They're somebody who's

989
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: gonna be sending in emails talking about they've seen a

990
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: sasquatch in the background. The part that that aggravated me though,

991
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: is I wanted to scream when you guys were over

992
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: there missing squirrels that I could see backed off from

993
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: a hundred yards. Yeah, okay, you are like, I don't

994
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: seem and y'all walk away and I'm like, he's right there.

995
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: That would have been worth yell in that as I

996
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: could did that out. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah that happened

997
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: because you had your thermal and we're looking at these

998
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: juries sometimes way from way back, you can use a

999
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: thermal to squirrel hunt on cloudy days if sunshine and

1000
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: it's worthless. But on a cloudy day, you can find

1001
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: squirrels with a thermal. Yeah, and it's not a thermal

1002
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: and of gun, no, no, it's binocular, a little binocular

1003
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: you put up and you can see heat rising off.

1004
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. Fun hunt man, Yeah, it's fun. This

1005
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: whole project was great. Yeah all right, guys, well thanks

1006
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: for listening. And you're not gonna believe what the mixed

1007
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: burgers he is going to do about for show boom

1008
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: boom on, let's go get some chocolate gravy.