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Speaker 1: it is right here, my Pride by my letter. She's

427
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 1: a handle. You're that sweetheart? You see him bad my

428
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 1: nuts on that the final project. Hey Mike, we see

429
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 1: me from Louisiana. He is okay, I just I never

430
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 1: want to mess it up. Like I felt like you

431
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: was Karen Karen Crowe, Louisiana and you grew up in

432
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 1: Oklahoma when you were growing up, and is it true

433
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 1: you were so good at all the sports that they

434
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 1: named you like athlete of the year of school. Yeah,

435
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 1: is that true? What that's the old days? But yeah,

436
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: well what was your sport? Well? Mostly I was probably

437
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 1: the best at football. I played like we have. It

438
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 1: was a small school, you know, so they both ways

439
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 1: played both ways. We did never really never left the

440
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 1: field really, you know. That was a deep gun, punched

441
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: and kickoffs. And then I also was like you know,

442
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 1: I never left the field. So you sell a big

443
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 1: football fan. Oh yeah, here's your team? Well, I mean,

444
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 1: of course I like the Pros are like the Titans,

445
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: and the course of Cowboys. That's where I grew up

446
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: around was near the cow the Cowboys. So college team Oklahoma?

447
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, big center fans. Yeah. So did you watch

448
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: the hisman ceremony? I did not. I was working. Jalen

449
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: got third, you got third? Third? Um, great season and

450
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: but oh use in it. They're playing LS. It's four

451
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: verses one. That's gonna be a tough game that's gonna

452
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: be everyone. It's gonna be a real tough game. You're loaded, well,

453
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 1: so you're a good football player, your pumper shower huh yesh. Yeah.

454
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: I returned a few points, and I'll tell you what

455
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: I did not like with standing there vulnerable as that

456
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: ball is coming down and you can just feel without

457
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: even seeing you can you know how if you're in

458
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: a room, Joe, and you know somebody's looking at you,

459
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: and you don't have to look up to feel someone's

460
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: eyes on you exactly, but you're imagining that with nine

461
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: or ten guys coming at you hard, same kind of feeling,

462
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: and you're like trying to judge and do I run

463
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: waves once it looks like earte that, Yeah, because you

464
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: have to have tremendous focus, right. And once I didn't

465
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: fair catch and I thought I wanna, I'm gonna just

466
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: take off with this ball. I thought I had some

467
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: space and the ball is coming down and I get

468
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: a little little alligator arm and it hits my hand

469
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: and I bobble it. It's on the ground. And it

470
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: was the only time that I really lunged for a

471
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: fumble in my because I mostly played wide receiver. Um

472
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't return a lot of punt, especially after

473
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: this story here. But I botched the ball and I

474
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta go dive for it, and and

475
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: diving for a fumble was I think the most physical

476
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: part of it, because it was just everybody's piling on

477
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: diving and I was on the bottom and I was like,

478
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm done. Do you ever hear those guys scream on

479
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: the bottom, you know, because they're down there and then

480
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: something's happening to him that hear that terrified people grabbing

481
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: twists And it's a whole thing. So you play football,

482
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: play basketball, basketball, baseball, baseball, track, golf, five sport, guy, Hunt,

483
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: did you a by playing college at all? Uh? I

484
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: thought about. But I never did get any star scholarship

485
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: offers for football. I actually had some small college are

486
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: from me a side on the same basketball scholarship, oddly enough,

487
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: and I wasn't that great. I mean I was okay,

488
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: but you know, but uh, but no, I have a

489
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: cousin that played at Oklahoma State and he was younger

490
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: than I, and so he I asked him and said,

491
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: do you think I could could have played that? He goes,

492
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: I absolutely real, not so, But I never get any

493
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: scholarship offered. I had a coach. Couple of coaches and

494
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: small colleges asked me to walk on and if it

495
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: worked out, they'd give me a scholarship. I never So

496
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: you're in Nashville, and so you're driving Jimmy right, Johnny Neil,

497
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: Johnny excuse me, there's John and Johnny. You're driving Johnny Neil,

498
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: and so you go pick him up the first time.

499
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: And then how does that relationship turn into something? Because

500
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: you guys started well, I had bugged him a couple

501
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: of times that I'd love to write with him. You know.

502
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: Of course I'm just a newbie, you know, I didn't

503
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: really know much about it, and he kind of gave

504
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: me the old brush off. You know, maybe one day,

505
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: well maybe maybe, you know, but we just hit it off.

506
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: We had a moment a few minutes that I actually

507
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: talking and you know, goofing around, and so he said, well,

508
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: come on over. So we wrote couple of songs and

509
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: and he had a little studio at his at his

510
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: house that and so we turned those demos in and

511
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: his publisher at the time signed signed me as well.

512
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I got started and our

513
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: want to you know, I don't think John and I

514
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: ever got We got a couple of cuss I got

515
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: one on the member of the Forester Sisters. Yeah. Yeah,

516
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: it's called Coma Hold Me. And then uh so, then

517
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: I started writing with another guy named Lonnie Wilson's great drummer,

518
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: session drummer and writer and singer. And we had first

519
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: first top five record with Holly Dunn had there Goes

520
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: My Heart Again was the name moment. So so a

521
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: top five song back in late eighties. Did you make

522
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: any money off that? Dude? I went to the mail

523
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: by and we're seeing that much money in my life? Really?

524
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: Like the first installment, you know, yeah, I was like,

525
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: I gotta write war songs. That's pretty cool. And how

526
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: long do those checks keep coming? Oh? They the the

527
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: first year is pretty good, and after that it tapers

528
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: off significantly and almost down to nothing, you know, and

529
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: you're cutting these demos and people lynchested in your in

530
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: your singing style, which we were on a minute ago.

531
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: So when did it become a thing where you go, Okay,

532
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: I think it's time for me to try to be

533
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: an artist. Well, I mean that's kind of what I

534
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: had in mind all all along. But I just knew

535
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: that songwriting would be a good avenue to meet people

536
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: and and you know, just because it was part of

537
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: the music, but it's such a significant part. So I

538
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: just but I always had that in my mind being

539
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: an artist. But uh, and I didn't really have any

540
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: way to that that I knew it takes somebody to

541
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: promote you, basically, And so I started doing demos for

542
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: these couple of guys and uh, and they knew they

543
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: were good friends with Bob mcgomery, who was Epic Records

544
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: at the time, and uh, and so after they played

545
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: him some demos, so he called me over and met

546
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: with me, and I said, uh, how would you like

547
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: to have a record deal? And I'm like, uh so, yeah,

548
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. So that was the conversation and they

549
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: kind of changed it off, how would you like to

550
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: have a record deal? Conversation? Yeah, exactly, that's pretty cool. Yeah,

551
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: he said. I said, a man, I wanted to do

552
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: this my whole life and he said, no, you haven't.

553
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I looked at him, I was like,

554
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: what do you mean. He goes, you lived your whole life,

555
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: you guys, I thought, Okay, one of those guys, how

556
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: long from when you were laid off until you got

557
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: your record deal? Three years? So you spent a couple

558
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: of months figuring it out. You moved here, you wrote,

559
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: so three years from there to there? Right? Do you

560
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: feel like you mat sure a lot as an artist

561
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: at that time in those three years, probably just just

562
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: from the sheer volume of demos and stuff I did,

563
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: you know? They're all various styles and so you kind

564
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: of had to learn to to do that kind of

565
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, just so yeah, I think so, you know

566
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the artists and a lot of my

567
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: friends too that that are here that you kind of

568
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: come in in classes. You don't do it on purpose,

569
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: but when you moved to town, you start meeting other

570
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: people that moved town around the same time, and that

571
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of becomes your pack that you grow up with

572
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: because you're all on a similar level exactly when you

573
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: move here. Like, who is some of the folks in

574
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: your class? Well, see there was Tricia Yourwood, Uh, there

575
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: was a t. Graham Brown, There was you know, Garthur

576
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: singing some demos. I don't know if any of the

577
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: others were as you know, but I mean the same

578
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: guys that there's you know in my generation, or you know,

579
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: of course the Mark Chestnuts and Tracy Lawrence and those guys.

580
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: You know. So what was Tricia doing? Was she working

581
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: at Mary Tullamore Music or was she singing demos? I'm

582
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: not sure. I just I had only met her a

583
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: few times when we sing a couple of demos together, Yeah,

584
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: which is cool. And then I got I got her

585
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: just saying one a chick song quote unquote that I

586
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: had written. So she's saying for me. So we've been

587
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: friends ever since. So whenever you hear or you see

588
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: someone like Gartha Tricia back then, were you like, man,

589
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: there's something special about them, like you think or there?

590
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: Or is it just the land of the giants where

591
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: everybody's good, most everybody was good? You know, it's it

592
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: was just you felt like it was just kind of

593
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: a cup Shoot, you know, somebody's gonna get lucky and

594
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: get that deal. And something I happened. I tell you

595
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: a weird story, and people might think this is really odd.

596
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: I've done this twice in my life. I went to

597
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: see I went to the showcase where it was Garth

598
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: and it was at the Douglas Corner and I was

599
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: sitting around having a beer, you know, walking talking to

600
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: some friends of mine, and I look up and he's

601
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: playing it up there and I saw an aura around him.

602
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. So I started looking around the room.

603
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: I thought, was the lights, guys be weird, that's something

604
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: weird going on here. And I didn't find I couldn't

605
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: find any reason that he had a blew aura around him.

606
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: I swear to good it was the weirdest thing. And

607
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: the other time was my my wife Tara. I saw

608
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: her and she had an oar. Now do you think

609
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: that that's in your eyes? Do you think that you

610
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: saw something special? I didn't know what it was. It

611
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: was just I saw. I saw it, and I asked.

612
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: I said, y'all see that? And everybody was like no,

613
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, I was okay, I'm I'm gonna

614
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: get quiet here. So did you ever talk to Garth

615
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: in the early days where you guys didn't we were

616
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: super close or anything. You know, who were your buds musically?

617
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: But who did you like tour with? Who'd you like

618
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: to tour with? Well, I've had a lot of him,

619
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: you know. I like all of the people I've toured with.

620
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: But let's do this mount rushmore of your favorite tour buddies,

621
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: four and four you only get four. Oh gosh, that's

622
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: that's hard, man, I'm putting it. I'm putting the screws

623
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: to you. I mean, of course, I mean I toured

624
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: with Garth, so I didn't do a whole lot. We

625
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Uh he used to open shows for me, oddly enough, yeah,

626
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: and so but we did that and I opened some

627
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: shows for him after that. Of course. You know, I'm

628
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: one of my closest buddies, Mark Chestnut, and uh, you know,

629
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: he's he's always really consistent. And uh, who else would

630
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: it be? Uh that I toured with, Uh, you know,

631
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Travis Trittz and an incredible singer, did a year long

632
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: tour with him. How was that? Because I know Travis

633
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: a little bit and he's at times it's very in

634
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: your face and at times it's super is super warm,

635
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: how about you in Travis relationship? It was good. Yeah,

636
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: it was very good. Yeah. Uh, you know, we just

637
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: we just had a good time as me, Travis, myself

638
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: and Leroy Parnell. We're out there and it was a

639
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: good package. You know, we had a lot of fun.

640
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: You got one more on the Aunt Rushaurant, Gosh, Garth Chestnut,

641
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Tracy Lawrence. You know, Tracy is always good, you know

642
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: when you good when you go see him. I'm trying

643
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: to say who else I toured with. I've done so many,

644
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, various packages here and there that I can't

645
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: even remember him. You ever put a kid opening and

646
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: that kid turned out to be a big starway later on? Uh,

647
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: let me think I want to I almost said Brad Paisley,

648
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that ever happened, you know, because

649
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I see someone other. I met a kid the other

650
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: night that uh came up and he opened for me

651
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: and Chestnut. We're doing an acoustic thing, and he came

652
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: up and saying, this kid was really good. You know,

653
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: remember I don't remember me. Yeah. It's a little place

654
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: in Texas we were in and man, we got him

655
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: up to saying and he was like he nailed. He's saying,

656
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: they're cold in here. My song. So here's another number one.

657
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: This is it's the Devil Danced, The Devil Dance. Do

658
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: you have a ball to swing in that song? Yeah?

659
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: That's is that your second number one song? I know,

660
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I think that was like the third one. So home hits.

661
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: You have a number one? What was the second big

662
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: one for you? If you want me to? Okay, if

663
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: you want me to and then I think devil Oh,

664
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: I actually may have been need to laugh an old

665
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: flying I can't remember lost track? Pick up man? Which jam?

666
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: Where do you put this in the set list? Oh?

667
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: It's fourth or fifth. It's gotta be interesting to put

668
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: together set less for you because you have so many biggs.

669
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: It's really hard. Remember I remember touring? Would you? I

670
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: got the final with George Straight? But put him on

671
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: that Mount Rushmore? Gee? When I first started? What year

672
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: was that? It had to have been ninety one or two,

673
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: somewhere in that range. What is tour like with you

674
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: and George Straight? Well? I didn't really get to see

675
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: George very much, you know, he was he was kind

676
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: of a private person and uh, you know, and he

677
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: didn't really come to sound checks or anything. So, I

678
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: mean I saw him occasionally, and he's super super nice man.

679
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: He just and I just remember I was I was

680
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: pretty tickle when he finally, you know, say hey, Joe,

681
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: how are you doing? I'm like, all right, George? What

682
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: was my name? So bigger than the Beatles? Here's right here.

683
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Number one for you, the love that the Beetles wild.

684
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: You know, for me, whenever I would hear you as

685
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: a kid, I always felt like you were smiling when

686
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: you were singing like that that is part of him,

687
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: you know when you're trying to I mean you do

688
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: think of that. I try to emote, you know, put

689
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: your feelings into the the songs so they could say, yeah.

690
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: I always felt like when and when I think about

691
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: your songs, I always thinking, man, Jodey becaunds like he's

692
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: he's having a good time. Yeah, absolutely that that would

693
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: be if I were to I talk about if someone's

694
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: what show diff sounds like it's it's not like he's smiling,

695
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: like he's having fun singing about country, saying what do

696
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: you How do you feel about these artists like the

697
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: the Luke Combs. Um, I'm setting you up here, but

698
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: but the guys that are really super traditional style again,

699
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: does that excite you? I love it? Yeah. I mean

700
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: country has always been a little bit secyclical, you know,

701
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: and it's a it goes from one thing to another

702
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of vacillates back and forth. So I love Luke.

703
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I got to along with Vince Gil and a couple

704
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: of other folks got to induct him to the Grand

705
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: Old Opry recently, so that was pretty cool. Whenever the

706
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: al Dean song came out and the famous lyric is

707
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: Joe Joe Joe diffy, did you know this was coming out? Yeah, yeah,

708
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: I actually had heard it started us. Somebody contacted me

709
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: and said, man, there's a song somewhere out there that

710
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: has your name in him. So really, so somehow we

711
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: got a copy of it. It was a demo, you know.

712
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: Thomas Rhett was one of the writers on that, and so, uh,

713
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: the first time I heard it was Thomas Ret's version,

714
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, and it was a lot more kind of

715
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: rap feeling than than that Jason's version. Jason has a

716
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: lot more guitars and stuff. So yeah, I just like

717
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: my me and my band members were sitting around. I

718
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: said that here's that song got my name in it apparently,

719
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: so I put it in there and had all that

720
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: We're looking atach other like what the hell is that?

721
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: You know? So did you say bring you out all

722
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: or wait? Where was it that they doing this in

723
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: an award show? It was a c M they had

724
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: had the giant head. Is that what it was, remember

725
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: seeing it was, that's what it was. The giant head

726
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: dropped out of the sea. Did you find when that

727
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: song comes out that people were going like younger kids

728
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: were like, who the heck is Joe diffy? Like twelve

729
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: year old dude. I'm that's a good set up for

730
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: saying this. That that because of Jason and Thomas Rick

731
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: as Thomas does that song on his show as well,

732
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, and so they're getting its being heard by

733
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, and so we are

734
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: our crowd has just been tremendous and a lot more

735
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, younger people and they know every day, go

736
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: more to every song. It was pretty amazing. Back in

737
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: the day, there was that the TV commercial there was

738
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: I think they did pick up man. Pick up Man

739
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: was using a maybe a car truck commercial board truck

740
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: And did they redo the words a little bit in it? Well, yeah,

741
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: or they get another singer? What was it? No, that

742
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: was that was actually me on camera that that's the

743
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: same one you're talking about. That that commercial actually they

744
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: aired on the super during the Super Bowl, So that's

745
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: when that commercial. You were in the Super Bowl commercial. Yeah,

746
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Cool, I got more people, though they

747
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: had no idea who it was that saw that. They

748
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: were like, hey, you're that pickup guy. You know, people

749
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: would recognize you for being the pickup guy from the

750
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: commercial more because I was on camera too. Yeah yeah, yeah,

751
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: but they would see you from that. It's interesting case.

752
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to Brad Paisley a couple of weeks

753
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: ago and I said, Hey, what are people like coming

754
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: up to you as the insurance guy? And He's like, yeah,

755
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't even know that I do music,

756
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: if they don't know country music and only know me

757
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: from the I think the nationwide commercial. Yeah that's right. Yeah,

758
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: And so people were coming up to you and you're

759
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the super Bowl commercial guy. Is that a nice payde

760
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl commercial? Yes, it's very nice. I

761
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: loved I grew up a song though, has made me

762
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: probably more money than any of the other songs I've had.

763
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: And I didn't write the song. A couple of friends

764
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: of mine wrote it, and uh so they get paid

765
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: as well, you know, but for for the royalty publishing

766
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So but I was also an

767
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: Apple Beast commercial and was it there? Like cars to

768
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: Ghost Service was like, yeah, you pick up. Yeah, they

769
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: changed the lyrics on it, and uh, I'll tell you

770
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: the miracle of modern stuff. You know, I had a

771
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: studio in my house and and so somehow we got

772
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: my book and agents got they said that they were

773
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: interested in using pick Up Man as a part of

774
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: an Apple Beach commercial, and so they sent me a

775
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: CD of it, just the music and the lyrics changed.

776
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: That they had rewritten it basically, and uh so I

777
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: just stuck it into the thing, read the lyrics, sing

778
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: it down, tell me about an hour and I sent

779
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: it back. I thought it was gonna be like a

780
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: presentation or a demo for them, and they used it

781
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: and they can't renow it. But it is like, this

782
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: is great, I said, kind I guess some more of

783
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: those commercials. Is that where it is like in the

784
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: sink stuff? Yeah? Yeah, if you can get it, if

785
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: you can get a get in one of those deals,

786
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: this pretty good deal. What's that touring like for you? Now?

787
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: It's great? You done a much shows a lot. Yeah,

788
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: this is I've been working working a lot and uh

789
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: probably uh, you know, just staying really busy, which is

790
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: really good. I like working. You know, we were talking

791
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: earlier that the travel part gets a little old. You know,

792
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: you get tired from that. But I mean, you know,

793
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: get to sing due play around and messing around all

794
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: the times. Like it's like I told my guys, it's

795
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: like we're on a big camping trip all the time,

796
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, so we have fun. You worked in oil

797
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: field for a while. I did. You drove a truck

798
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: a pump cement? Is that true? What does that work? Like?

799
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: It sucked? Yeah? It was for a company called Halliburton,

800
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: and uh oddly enough, who were headquartered They used to

801
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: be headquartered in Duncan, Oklahoma. But I had to move

802
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: to Alas, Texas to get to work for him because

803
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: I had an uncle that worked for them, and uh

804
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: so I did. I didn't do that for very long.

805
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: I was there for about I don't know, three or

806
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: four months or so, and I just it was like

807
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: you're gone all the time, and you know that the

808
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: pay was not that great, and uh so I just

809
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: decided I didn't like that, so I moved back to

810
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: Duncan and got a job in that foundry. So so

811
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: what about you going to medical school? I always if

812
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: you had asked me when I was a kid, that's

813
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: what I always wanted to be was a doctor, and

814
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: I used to read medical books and I followed my

815
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: parents around reading them facts and figures on that kind

816
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: of stuff. You know, what'd your mom and dad do? Uh?

817
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: They were both the teachers. My dad did a little

818
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: bit of everything. He had his own welding company for

819
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: a while. He had a repossession company for a while.

820
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: Was he didn't repot cars. He didn't like that in

821
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and go and that's a

822
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: dangerous it's very dangerous. You got shot at a couple

823
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: of times. He said he didn't like that. So, yeah,

824
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: he had he actually built since he was a welder.

825
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: He built this rig on the like a hook that

826
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: that was hydraulic and it would come out of the

827
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: out of the back of the pickup and the tailgate

828
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: would lower down and he would just back up to

829
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: the cars and pick them up and drive off with him.

830
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: That's a crazy line of work and thinking. As we

831
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: get as kids, we see adults do things more like

832
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: that's just kind of normal, right, But as you get

833
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: to be an adult and you see other adults repoint

834
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: and people shooting out over that's that's. Yeah. He didn't

835
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: last long with that. He didn't like that at all.

836
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: So and plus you know, you're having to and he

837
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: just just the human element of it. A lot of

838
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: people who couldn't you know, they were behind on their

839
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: payments through whatever. Some of them were just bumms, and

840
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: some of them just lost their jobs or something, you know,

841
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: or we're ill. And he'd have to the bank, would

842
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, telling to go get this car. You know,

843
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: So he had to work with the bank a lot,

844
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: and so he he didn't like that either because then

845
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: people had to come. He had to do it to

846
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: a yard, and then people came to the yard and

847
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: he had to be out there while they gathered their

848
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: belonging to other repossessed car. You know. Yeah, so he

849
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: didn't like that. You were inducted into the grandal opery.

850
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: It's a real special thing. That was one of one

851
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: of my highlights of my career. I could consider it.

852
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: You know, How did you get told you were going

853
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: to be in the operation? Kind of the same way

854
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: I got told by a record deal. I went out

855
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: to the opera in and I met with the guy

856
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: who I can't remember his name right now. He was

857
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: the head of it back then, and just how I

858
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: thought I didn't know why we were even out there,

859
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: and was out there with my managers and he goes,

860
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: how would you like to be remember the Grand ol Opera.

861
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, so that really really that's how I

862
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: got my record deal and the Grand Old Operathing. So

863
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool, pretty low key, and it was yeah.

864
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: Is it true that your parents and your parents did

865
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: you could sing harmonies when you were three years old?

866
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: Now you probably can't remember three. Do you remember three?

867
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: I remember singing and we had to pick up and uh,

868
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: I had two sisters, have two sisters, and so we

869
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: would all be five or five of us being the

870
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: truck and to keep us occupied, and you know, from

871
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: screaming at each other, they would sing solidtle, simple songs,

872
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, kids songs, and we sing along with them.

873
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: And at three you can harmonize. I just hear. I

874
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: just heard it. It was in my head. I could hear.

875
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: Were you always a really good singer as a seven

876
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: year old? Church or wherever you were singing? Are you

877
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: always think? I guess, you know, it's hard to value,

878
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: hard to judge it, you know, I guess were you

879
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: rewarded for your singing at a very young age? Were

880
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: people telling you why Joe. Yeah, I mean I remember

881
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: my aunt got me up in front of with her

882
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: band and I got up and singing You're my son

883
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: shine or something like that, you know, and so it's

884
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: pretty cool. What was that like in the nineties, touring

885
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: with no internet and no cell phone and no Google Maps.

886
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: Do you ever just end up with the bus in

887
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: a wrong talent? Absolutely? Oh you would, Yeah, you know,

888
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: of course you have to get the map at and

889
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: then you had to know, Hey, even our sadite we

890
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: did have a sad like dish, but you bus had

891
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: to be stopped and you had to like physically enter in,

892
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: get the atlas out and figure out your latitude and

893
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: your longitude and enter those coordinates in and then it

894
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: would raise up. Yeah. Would you ever get somewhere because

895
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: there weren't cell phones realized there was no show happening anymore,

896
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: or like you get there and like no, we tried

897
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: to get ahold of you, but they carry your pigeon,

898
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: you know. Now, unfortunately never had that happen. But what

899
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: kind of country ms the artists you drawn to? Now?

900
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: I guess I have a tendency to lean more towards

901
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: the country you're the country side of things, you know,

902
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: which you know, so I you know, I enjoy Luke

903
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: and you know, Brad Paisley and a couple of other

904
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: guys that that I think are good, good singers, you know.

905
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: Growing up? Who was your favorite? Oh Man, Well, it'd

906
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: probably have to be George Jones. Well that's who I

907
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: emulated some you know, learned a lot by emulating him.

908
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: But I mean, I I had a whole angel of course,

909
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: I had the regulars that everybody mentions, Haggard Jones, Johnny Cash,

910
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, Conway there was you know, a whole plethora

911
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: of those people. But but I you know, I actually

912
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: like I loved Loretta Lion and Dolly Parton as well,

913
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, and Connie Smith. And so I heard a

914
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: lot of those being from Oklahoma. And and I'll perhaps

915
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: it with my story. I'm from Arkansas. So it was

916
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash and Conway Twitty and you can, I mean listen,

917
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: which tall Liman was so big to anybody from Arkansas

918
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: was a big deal to us because there weren't a

919
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: lot of us who made it on any sort of

920
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: national stage being from Oklahoma. Who was it that you

921
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: looked at and was like wow, like, this is one

922
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: of our guys doing or one of our girls doing it. Well,

923
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean obviously you know, but they aren't that much

924
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: older than I am. But I mean Reba and Vance,

925
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: they were already involved in doing stuff before I ever

926
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville. So that was pretty cool to see that,

927
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: and you know, you kinda kind of take that and

928
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, feel good about it. Man, that's crazy. Like

929
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: I did the Michael was I think in DC. I

930
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: did with Reba Kennedy Honors. I did the Kennedy Honors

931
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: for Reba. I got to go, I did, went up

932
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: and did ten minutes of stand up and there was

933
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: like six of us that presented Reeve. It was me

934
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and Brooks and Dunn and Kristin, Chenna Wyth and Kelly Clarkson.

935
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: But anyway, so i go up and I'm doing comedy,

936
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: but I'm also talking through as I'm doing comedy. Reba's

937
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Alive where she was it was, you know, doing

938
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: uh the roadwork in the rodeos, like singing the rodeos

939
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: and you know, just singing the national anthem at the rodeo.

940
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: X Ritter, I think one who for you saw you sing?

941
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: I know, you got a record of it. Who saw

942
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: you randomly? If anyone, and they were like, man, I

943
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: think there could be Like you're actually pretty good there, Joe,

944
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: did you ever have one of those little drunk guy

945
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: at the bar before you go Oklahoma? He threw literally

946
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: through five dollars if he said a mood to Nashville

947
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: you're really good. So have you ever see anybody cover

948
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: your songs nowadays? And you go, man, that's a really

949
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: good version of that song. I've heard it a couple

950
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: of me. It sounds really good. You know, it's fun.

951
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: It's fun to me to hear him. You know. If

952
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: you can pick one of your songs to be covered

953
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: again now and be made a hit again, which which

954
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: song would you like to see a reborn? That's a

955
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: good question. Uh, well, I know my favorite song is

956
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: the Ships that Don't Come In. Oh, come on, I

957
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: love the Only Place. Let me let me listen. That's

958
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: all the Soulver Died in Bag, the Insane Lot Up,

959
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: and Limson, the Alls Down all Man. So everybody listening

960
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: right now, there's a lot of artists that listen to

961
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: this podcast. Ships that Don't Come In that's the cover

962
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: to dude, that's such a great song. I've I've told

963
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: the writers that David Giveson and Paul Nelson I said

964
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: that song didn't need me, but it needed somebody to

965
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: sing it because it's just such a great song. I

966
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: think it could have been a hit with anybody, you know,

967
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: So I was glad I got it. Anybody cool ever

968
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: come up to you that You're like, man, is they're

969
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: a fan of you? You but You're like, that's really cool.

970
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: They're a fan of me? A lot of yeah, a

971
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: lot uh some people I Revere, you know. I mean,

972
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: I walked I was gonna introduce myself to Merle Haggard

973
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: one time at the a c M. And I walked

974
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: up to because Joe, how you doing? Man, I'm a

975
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: big fan of her, And I'm like, Merl Hagard knows

976
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: my name. It's just blows my mind, you know. Ronnie

977
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: Millsap told me it was, you know, so yeah, those

978
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: that's a really special thing when somebody who you who

979
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: you idolize, tells you that, you know, can you go

980
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: to dinner in Nashville with are in Tennessee without being bothered? Yeah?

981
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: And it's people are pretty cool. They're really they are,

982
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: and and I just always feel like it's really not

983
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: a bother. I mean, the only time I never even

984
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of gets under my skin a little bit is

985
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: if I'm in the middle of eating. You know, I

986
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: often say if people are eating or with their kids,

987
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: those are really the only two times, because otherwise everyone

988
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: else what they signed up for, right figure, your public figure.

989
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: But eating like literal food on the table, food fork

990
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: in my hand, eating something and something. Yeah, but I mean,

991
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: and of course people don't mean any harm by it,

992
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, a fact fact. George Jones and I were

993
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: at to dinner one night, one evening, and and this

994
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: lady came up, and we were in the middle of eating,

995
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: and she comes up with a little boy, and she goes,

996
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: I don't mean to bother you guys, And George goes,

997
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: but what are you doing it for them? He was teasing.

998
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: Of course, you know. So what is it like to

999
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: be a fan of George Jones and then here you

1000
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: are having dinner? Now I couldn't I don't even know how.

1001
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't even talk to him. I didn't know what

1002
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: to even ask him. I'm assuming he has to invite you, yeah, yeah,

1003
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: And did you got Where did that relationship? How did

1004
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: it start? Just from doing a couple of shows together.

1005
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: And uh, and I sang on on his hit song,

1006
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: I don't need your rocking chair, I don't need Yeah,

1007
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: you met a game. Yeah, I was one of the

1008
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: most special things. Not only because of that, but I

1009
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: got to take my dad. I didn't tell him where

1010
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: we were going. He was George Jones, his idol, you know,

1011
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: so I just took him. I took him and he said,

1012
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: where are we going? I said, just come on, you know.

1013
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: So I took him in there and and uh, there

1014
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: was all he saw Alan Jackson, Clint Black and all

1015
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: these people. He was like, what is this? What's going

1016
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: on here? Then the limo pulls up, Georgie gets that.

1017
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: He was just I've never seen he was speechless. He

1018
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: just was stunned by it. You know. So that's really cool, right, Like,

1019
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: of all the moments, I getting to do things for

1020
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: the people that you care about, at least for me,

1021
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: has been that kind of the coolest thing I've been

1022
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: able to do. Absolutely, that's pretty cool that you're a

1023
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: big fan of George Jones and the next then you're

1024
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: at dinner with Really it took me a couple of times, uh,

1025
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: before I was able to converse with him, because I

1026
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: was just really I was so nervous and and he

1027
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: was just such an icon in my eyes. But I

1028
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: found it later on. He was he was just so

1029
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: he's just so country, you know, He's like and he's

1030
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: like talking to your grandpa. He couldn't hear it real good,

1031
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, so you say something and he goes, you know.

1032
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: So then I got even sing on a on a

1033
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: song with me, and it was really cool too. Jever

1034
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: met Tammy. Oh yeah, Tammy was once. She loved my singing. Yes,

1035
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: you asked about that earlier. She I forgot about Tammy.

1036
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: She was a huge fan of mine. In fact, I

1037
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: sang on She did an album of duets with a

1038
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of rock artists, and I think me and my

1039
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: known over the only two country people she has to

1040
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: be on there. So that was really neat to get

1041
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: to sit there. I mean, you're talking about bizarre. All

1042
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm sitting there right next to Tammy

1043
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: win that and we sang it live, we sang it down. Lie.

1044
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: It was you know, there was no overdubbing or punching in.

1045
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: It was that that's what it was. So were you

1046
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: around when they were doing the tours of stars homes

1047
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: when they would actually dry by people's houses, which nowadays

1048
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: seems really weird. It's a it's a pain in the rear.

1049
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: You'll be up on your lawns happen all the time. Yeah,

1050
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm on the d what happens. You're

1051
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: all sweating and you know they you know, here there

1052
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: comes that bus, little people and they are all taking

1053
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: pictures over you, and you're sweat and dripping off of you,

1054
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: got grass all over you. You know, it's like Hi Hill.

1055
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, how would they find your house? I don't

1056
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: know how this. I don't know. I don't know how

1057
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: they did it, because if they did that nowadays, that

1058
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: would be the weirdest. Well. I asked him. I asked

1059
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: me to request. I said, Look, not only it's it's

1060
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: bothering me, but it's bothering my neighbors as well. To

1061
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: have these busses coming and stopping in the everybody getting

1062
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: out and all this day. Would get out of the

1063
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: bus a couple of times I did. Yeah, and I

1064
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: guess it's not illegal. No. I actually called and asked,

1065
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: is there any way we can make this stop and

1066
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: they're like no, so okay. So it was kind of weird.

1067
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: So after that, literally I'll be up mowing the lawn

1068
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: or doing something outside and I'd be watching because I

1069
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: knew about what time of day they came by it.

1070
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: So I just watched for h I go hide, you know,

1071
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: run behind the shed. Everybody check it out. Joe Joe,

1072
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: Joe Diffy. Each album is individually autographed and numbered, and

1073
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: it's at Joe Diffy dot com slash vinyl. But I'm

1074
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: sure if you just go to Joe Diffy dot com

1075
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: there's also a link up there that says for the

1076
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: vinyl right if you can't spell vinyl, I'll be honest,

1077
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: not a great word to spell. B I N Y

1078
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: L No, I'm not. I would have been anyone on

1079
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: that um as long as there's a bar. Yeah, tell

1080
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: me about that. A couple of great friends of mine

1081
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: wrote that Gay Gall and Griffin and uh and Brian

1082
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: Keith Burns who was in Trick Pony and he played

1083
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: bass for me for like seven years early in my career,

1084
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: and so they wrote this song. It just reminded me

1085
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: of brought me up a little bit. So that's that's

1086
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: that's most of the reason I did it. With a

1087
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: lot of the music from when I was a kid

1088
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: in the nineties where you have a bunch of your

1089
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: number one songs kind of re emerging as a big deal.

1090
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: Did that help you're touring nineties country like it was? It?

1091
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: Like absolutely, it was like a whole new rebirth of

1092
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: touring for you. Absolutely, yeah, helped it and tremendously And

1093
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: like I say, uh, with the advent of that song

1094
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: in the I got so many new art, new fans

1095
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: and you know, younger fans. It's just really it's really

1096
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: been pretty amazing to me. Well, I'm super happy that

1097
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: that you came by. Good luck, hope yourself. So many

1098
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: of these these vinyl records that you're so annoyed having

1099
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: to sign, that's that's the greatest problem to have the best.

1100
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: I would get so irritated signed these books, and I

1101
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: be like, I'm so happy to be irritated. It was

1102
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: the greatest irritation you gotta Sometimes, you know, you get

1103
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: a little a little by yester or just worn out

1104
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: with things over time, and you kind of it's good

1105
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: to get a little uh, you know, check once in

1106
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: a while. Just to kind of a little gut check

1107
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: and say, okay, wait a minute, I'm doing the best.

1108
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: I got the best job in the world. You know,

1109
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: I could be out roof and house and I used

1110
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: to do that. You know, I could be back on

1111
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: doing clean I used to do clean up for roofing house,

1112
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: which is even worth the roofing house. Right, so I

1113
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: have I'm I'm just so lucky and so blessed, like

1114
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: a great family, you know, and so great friends. So

1115
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a pleasure for me. Well,

1116
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: you're always welcome. I got a Christmas card from you,

1117
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: all right, Yes? Did you know that I did? Yes?

1118
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: And I felt like I was giving I felt like

1119
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: I was giving them news. Mike. It was like it

1120
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you gotta Christmas. I got a Christmas

1121
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: car from a couple of days. She's a gazillion but

1122
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: we're glad that you're on the list. So it was

1123
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: news to you. Well she told me about it. Yes, okay,

1124
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: good yesterday. Regardless. I thought it was pretty cool. I'm

1125
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: not gonna lie to ye thought it was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Joe Diffie dot Com slash final Joe, good luck and

1127
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: good to see you again, thank you, episode to seventeen

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Speaker 1: here on the Bobby Cat