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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A heartbreaking reveal. Mommy says

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Speaker 1: her missing little girl, just six years old, was eaten

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Speaker 1: by wolves. Really, Where's Oakley? I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The desperate

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Speaker 1: search for a missing little girl continues. What happened to Oakley? Carlson?

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Speaker 1: Where is Oakley?

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Speaker 2: And and and and.

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Speaker 3: Look?

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Speaker 2: I don't even take a son from me?

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Speaker 4: And so and he took his phone from you?

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Speaker 1: Did you have Andrew's phone?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I love bost in Tokio, Maryland? Okay?

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Speaker 2: And and Andrew take it?

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Speaker 1: And then what happened? And and and him back in

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Speaker 1: Whose bed? Is there anything more precious than a little

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Speaker 1: baby girl? This case is haunting, not just me, but

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Speaker 1: so many others. And Jordan put okay?

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Speaker 5: Jordan put Andrew back in his bed?

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Speaker 1: He does she hit him? Okley?

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Speaker 6: Him dead?

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Speaker 1: Nick? Who do you Hondich? Why did she hit him?

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Speaker 1: Go to him? Gosh? Hoh? Him? Who is being meant?

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Speaker 1: Why does he be mean? How many nights? I have?

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Speaker 1: Lenawaite wondering where is Oakley? Joining me an all star

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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now?

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Speaker 1: But first, I'm gonna go to a very special guest

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Speaker 1: joining us, Jamie Joe Hiles. Jamie Joe was Oakley's foster

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Speaker 1: mom and loved her so much. Jamie Joe, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us and leading the rally to try

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Speaker 1: and find Oakley. Tell me how you ended up getting

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Speaker 1: to foster Oakley To start with, we.

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Speaker 2: Were really fortunate when it came to fostering Oakley. She

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Speaker 2: kind of almost fell in our lap. It was as if,

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Speaker 2: you know, a family friend contacted us and said, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I know of a foster child that is most likely

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Speaker 2: going to be put into adoption. Is this something that

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Speaker 2: you're interested in doing? And my husband and I looked

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Speaker 2: at each other across the couch and we just were like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's do it. And we weren't sure at first if

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Speaker 2: it was going to be a long term sit you

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Speaker 2: we were like, wow, like this is actually happening, Like

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Speaker 2: we're going to get to adopt her, and we love

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Speaker 2: the time that we had with Oakley.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about Oakley. I'm seeing all these fantastic photos

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Speaker 1: that you so kindly have given us as you and Oakley,

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Speaker 1: your husband with Oakley, and she's so happy.

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Speaker 2: She is so happy, Jamie Joe. Yeah, she was a

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Speaker 2: happy little girl, like I know that. I she definitely

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Speaker 2: had her toddler moments, but she was such a good

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Speaker 2: little girl. She was polite, she was adventurous, she wasn't

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Speaker 2: scared of anything. She tried all of her food that

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Speaker 2: we put in front of her, and she slept all night.

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Speaker 2: She was just the best little girl you could.

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Speaker 4: Ever think of.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a photo of you, and that's when

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Speaker 1: she's little, and then progressing. Now she's got on tennis

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Speaker 1: shoes and walking. Now she's with you, she's got all

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Speaker 1: her baby teeth, and she's got a big smile. There

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Speaker 1: she is with your husband, kissing him, sitting on his shoulders. Here,

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Speaker 1: you guys are all dressed up. She looks like little

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Speaker 1: bo peep. Just the love on her face. That's what

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Speaker 1: your daily routine with Oakley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of the time Oakley would go

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Speaker 2: to the daycare here in town. I'd pick her up

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Speaker 2: coached a dance team at the High School where I work,

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Speaker 2: and so she would often come to dance practice with us.

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Speaker 2: We had her in dance class also, so every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: the weekends we were always doing something, going to the zoo,

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Jamie Jo Hiles, you're minding me. And

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Speaker 1: when the twins were little, I felt like a cruise director.

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Speaker 1: Every weekend. I was trying to think, what can we

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Speaker 1: give them two woodenspoons each and it was the most

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Speaker 1: beautiful music I've ever heard. Why couldn't you keep Oakley.

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Speaker 2: I know that Mom had gone to the rehab classes

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Speaker 2: that she was ordered to go to, and shortly after

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Speaker 2: stayed clean. And I don't know if it's because she

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Speaker 1: I saw you take a big swallow, like a hell cold,

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Speaker 2: Why it never gets easier to talk about this because

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Speaker 2: my husband and I grieved the loss of Oakley, and

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Speaker 2: then to find out that she was missing. It still

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Speaker 2: and it never will make sense to us why we

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Speaker 1: What did they tell you when they told you they

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Speaker 2: So it was really confusing at first because in the

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Speaker 2: then the next month at the next health and safety visit,

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Speaker 2: And then it slowly kind of came to that, oh,

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Speaker 2: she's going to be returned. And when my husband and

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Speaker 2: I went to fight it with the Grace Harbor Department

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Speaker 2: of Children, Youth and Families, we were told she's not

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Speaker 1: You need to let go of this. I've had that

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Speaker 1: hit like a ton of Briggs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not a confrontational person, and I had

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Speaker 2: my whole listing of like, you're going to give this

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Speaker 2: child attachment disorder. She's barely spent any time at their

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that this is conducive to her

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Speaker 2: or the parents? It seems like an asenine plan to

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Speaker 2: me for somebody that has struggled with drugs to have

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Speaker 1: Joining me an addition to Jamie J. Hils, who love

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Speaker 1: Oakley with all of her heart. A renowned guest psychiatrist,

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Speaker 1: Emmy honored personality doctor Carol Lieberman, best selling author of

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Speaker 1: Lions and Tigers and Terrorists Oh My, she is on

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Speaker 1: a mission to help parents and teachers protect children. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Carrol Lieberman, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain something Jamie jo Hiles just said she

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Speaker 1: referred to attachment disorder?

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Speaker 4: What is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, what that is is when a child is being

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Speaker 3: raised by parents who are very traumatic towards the child,

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Speaker 3: in other words, who are their physical abuse or sexual abuse,

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Speaker 3: or neglect, some kind of problems. That makes a child

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Speaker 3: in another home. But that's the thing that I was

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Speaker 3: noticing in these photographs that clearly she did adopt to

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Speaker 3: Jamie Joe, you know, did feel loved and did flourish,

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Speaker 3: and so she would have not had attachment disorder. She

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Speaker 1: What happens when you disrupt that, doctor Leeberman.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's very difficult because you know, if she were

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Speaker 3: being disrupted, especially at a young age. But there might

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Speaker 3: have been some possibility of still growing and things being okay.

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Speaker 3: But going back to the place that she had to

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Speaker 3: be taken out of, I mean, obviously it was a

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Speaker 1: To Cold Case investigative research founder, forensic expert, and star

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Speaker 1: of a hit news podcast, Zone Heaven, Cheryl McCollum is

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Speaker 1: joining us. Cheryl, I don't understand it at this point.

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Speaker 1: I don't try to understand it. I just accept that

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Speaker 1: it's true. Why defacts and I reserve this for very

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Speaker 1: few entities. May they rot in hell? Continue to put

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Speaker 1: these defenseless children. They take them out of the fire,

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Speaker 1: parents that treat them like crap to start with, and

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Speaker 1: then we're all surprised when the child goes missing. I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised. Why does that keep happening? It's like Groundhog Day,

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Speaker 4: In this case, the foster mom emailed and emailed and

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Speaker 4: called her husband emailed. They documented the injuries on Oakley,

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Speaker 4: and those were ignored when that baby was given back

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Speaker 4: to the biological parents. It is without reason, I would

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Speaker 4: go ten months without a social worker go into that

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Speaker 1: is Oakley's foster mom, Jamie, Joe, How long did you

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Speaker 2: We had her for a little over two and a

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Speaker 1: During that time, did she have any visitation with the

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Speaker 2: She had on and off weekly visits with both Jordan

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Speaker 2: sometimes it was both of them, but she did see

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Speaker 1: And how would she respond to that?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes she'd come home and she'd be upset because Jordan

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Speaker 2: and that she would have liked to have come home sooner.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever notice any injuries on Oakley's face or body?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So one time she came home from a visit

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Speaker 2: with scratch marks on her face, and I documented them,

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Speaker 2: and I took a picture and I sent it to

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Speaker 2: the social worker and asked what happened, and I did

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Speaker 2: not really get any kind of response. She said that

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Speaker 1: So the baby comes home Covenant scratches, and the social

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Speaker 2: We never pushed her like we asked her, But we

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Speaker 2: also never wanted to give her an idea of like

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Speaker 2: Jordan or Andrew would cause harm to her, So we

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Speaker 2: never wanted to put that in her head. Just like

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Speaker 1: let me understand, why is it that defacts Department Family

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the desire, Jamie jo Hiles, maybe you know more

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Speaker 1: But I couldn't do anything about that, But she was

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Speaker 9: What happened is Principal Swift actually she knew something's going wrong,

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Speaker 1: of this was happening. What were you told, if anything?

438
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't told.

439
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: Anything until so I received two phone calls when I

440
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: was at school that day. One call was from the

441
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: Grace Harbor County Jai's office asking me if I'd seen Oakley,

442
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: and the second call was from DCYF from Grace Harbor

443
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: asking if I could take Oakley's younger brother and Oakley

444
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: when they found her.

445
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: So that's all I was told.

446
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: I still have never been told by DCYF. But Oakley

447
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: is missing to the capacity that she is.

448
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: So you take care of her, You take her in.

449
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all those pictures. You're the one that

450
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: bought that baby blanket right there. You're the one that

451
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: bought those clothes. You're the one that put the smile

452
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: on her face and took care of her. The bioparents

453
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: did nothing, nothing except a beglect and mistreat her. And

454
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: now suddenly you're hearing the siblings stay, Oh, she went back.

455
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: She went back to live with the foster mom. When

456
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, Darwill, she's not there. She hasn't come back

457
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: to you. And that's why they came and called you

458
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: while they came to see you. Because the sibling was

459
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: told she was with you. What went through your mind

460
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: when they called you looking for Oakley?

461
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: My first thought was, oh, my goodness, like where is she?

462
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: Is she okay?

463
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: And then when they said can you take her little brother?

464
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: And can you take Oakley? I thought, oh my gosh,

465
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: we're going to get We're going to get our girl back.

466
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: And so it was incidentally her birthday, and immediately I thought,

467
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: I have to run to party City to plan a

468
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: birthday party for when she shows up at my house.

469
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 2: I had no idea for at least twenty four hours

470
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: that it was as bad as it is, no idea.

471
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: I checked my phone all night that night waiting for

472
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: a phone call that Oakley was going to be dropped

473
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: off at my house.

474
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: So when they called you looking for Oakley, you get

475
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: excited and they say, can you take Oakley when we

476
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: find her? That had to ring a red bill of

477
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: alarm in your head. Where we find her? And can

478
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: you take the little brother, the kneeborn, And you're like,

479
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to get her and a sibling. And your

480
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: thought was I got to go to party seat right

481
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: now because it's her birthday and we're going to have

482
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: a party. That's what was going through your mind.

483
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: Yes, I immediately told my husband and my father, and

484
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: I said, we need to get the nursery ready for

485
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: her younger sibling, and we have a guest bedroom which

486
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: is where Oakley would stay, and we'd figure it out

487
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: later to make it more like not so.

488
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 7: Non kid like.

489
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: And I thought, Okay, we have to make her birthday

490
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: special because obviously if she is not at home, or

491
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: if she is being placed back in a foster care,

492
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: she's had a really bad birthday already, So let's try

493
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: to do something to make the day at least good

494
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: for her fifth birthday.

495
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 6: And then this listen, investigators question Oakley's nine year old brother,

496
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 6: who says Jordan Bowers would put Oakley in the closet,

497
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 6: possibly under the stairwell, and has witnessed Jordan beat Oakley

498
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 6: with a belt and has been worried about her starving.

499
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 6: During a forensic interview with a child advocate, Oakley's six

500
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 6: year old sister said her mother Jordan, had told her

501
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 6: to not talk about Oakley. She had gone out into

502
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 6: the woods, she said, and had been eaten by wolves.

503
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: To Jamie Joe Hiles, when did you learn the bier?

504
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: Mom told the other sisters and brothers that Oakley went

505
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: out in the woods and was eaten by wolves.

506
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: So I think it was on December ninth, the city

507
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: of Oakville held a really beautiful candlelight vigil for Oakley,

508
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: and a lot of us walked and just kind of

509
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: thought about Oakley and had hope for Oakley. And it

510
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: was as soon as I came home from that I

511
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: saw the police reports and the news reports that this

512
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: is what Jordan had been telling Oakley siblings, don't talk

513
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: about her. She's been eaten by wolves, that there was

514
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: abuse that happened, that she was starved. And the feeling

515
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: of knowing that that's what she endured is.

516
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it just kills you, you know, Jamie Joe.

517
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I torture myself the same way I have to stop myself,

518
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Like as I think back on when my fiance was murdered,

519
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: and I wonder what happened, what did he endure? Did

520
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: he understand what was happening to him? Did he know

521
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: he was dying? It? Guess me know where what goes

522
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: through yourma when you heard this story that mom is

523
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: telling people, the children that Oakley went in the woods

524
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: and was eaten by wolves. What went through your mind?

525
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: Do you remember that moment?

526
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I thought that was the stupidest

527
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: thing that she could say, because we don't have wolves

528
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: around here. But then I also thought, how incredulous of

529
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: Jordan to sit there and tell her children, you better

530
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: watch out, you better not talk about this, because this

531
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: is what happened to her, and it's going to happen

532
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: to you too if you're not good. Like that's terrifying

533
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: to as a little kid to be like, this happened

534
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: to my siblings, so I better be on my best behavior.

535
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: And it just makes me feel like I want to

536
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: go to DCYF and be like I told you so,

537
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: I told you that this was a major concern, and

538
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: I felt like nobody listened to me.

539
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: And now here we are. Well, it is dawn on

540
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: you that that story was impossible. She wasn't eaten by wolves,

541
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: and that mommy is trying to come up with an

542
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: explanation about why Oakley is gone forever. Yeah, I mean,

543
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like a ton of bricks.

544
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 4: And it did.

545
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: And it's just so.

546
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: It's so infuriating to know that that's the kind of

547
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: that's the story that her siblings are are thinking okay, like, uh,

548
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, Oakley's gone that this is this is what

549
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: happened to her. Like that's so frustrating. And as a

550
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: as a foster parent, and I don't even like to

551
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: call myself her foster mom.

552
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 7: I was her mom.

553
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to think of their kid being eaten by wolves,

554
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: and she just Jordan's talk.

555
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: First of all, she wasn't eaten by wolves. She wasn't

556
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: eaten by wolves. We don't have to think about that

557
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: happening because that didn't happen, which leads me to the

558
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: conclusion something else horrible it happened. And what's also very

559
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: infuriating Jamie Joe is that there were so many red

560
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: flags that were waving in front of everybody, right under

561
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: their nose.

562
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 5: For instance, listen, Oakley's grandmother tells investigators the last time

563
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 5: she saw her granddaughter, quote, Oakley didn't look well. Oakley

564
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 5: had dark circles under her eyes, pale skin, and she

565
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: had scratches or sores on her face. Now, the Grace

566
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: Harbor County Sheriff's Office has renewed its call for information

567
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: regarding the girl's disappearance. Oakley Carlson is often referred to

568
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: now as the missing girl who was kept in a

569
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 5: cell under the stairs.

570
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com. What did I hear

571
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: about a cell under the stairs?

572
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 9: You mean, like Harry Potter, it was a place that

573
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 9: the children described like a cell, the under the stairs.

574
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 9: It was an obvious area where they would put her

575
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 9: where she was in the dark, locked in, couldn't get out,

576
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 9: and they all knew it.

577
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Don't Kirill Lieberman with us nown psychiatrists, why do we

578
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: see over and over one child out of the whole

579
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: family targeted for abuse.

580
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: What it might have been is the fact that she

581
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: is so adorable and maybe that got her more attention,

582
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: like from the father or from people who would come

583
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: to see the family, and the mother couldn't deal with

584
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: that that she didn't want locally stealing attention that she

585
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: wanted for herself.

586
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, I know that sounds far fetched, but doctor

587
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Lieberman is absolutely correct that exact scenario has happened. Cheryl McCollum,

588
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: cole Case Research Institute Founder and director, Cheryl, We've seen

589
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: it one hundred times, five hundred times. Her one child

590
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: is targeted and they are abused horribly.

591
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 7: And let's talk about the mom's statement about the wolves. Nancy,

592
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 7: to your point, when she accepts number one that her

593
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 7: child is dead, she accepts that her child is dead

594
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 7: in the most violent, horrific manner that you could imagine,

595
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 7: and then she tells the other children about it so that, hey,

596
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 7: everybody knows there's no chance she's ever coming home. And

597
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 7: then they started go fundme where they talk about, hey,

598
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 7: we escaped with our three children, they had four.

599
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: You are so right, they said, we escaped with our

600
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: three children and they had four Jamie Joe Hiles, what

601
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: do you make of what Cheryl has just pointed out.

602
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: When we saw the GoFundMe and we saw that statement,

603
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: we thought that that was a really interesting statement that

604
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: they have four kids, But why does it say three?

605
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: And that was something I also mentioned a DCIF in

606
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: my email to them. This is not right, something's wrong.

607
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: It just might ignored.

608
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: Jamie Joe, what have you learned about Oakley being kept

609
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: in a sell under the stairs in the dark, horrible things?

610
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: She was put into the cell all the time. It's

611
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: like a little cabinet, because I've seen pictures of it,

612
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: and sometimes they would push the couch in front of

613
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: the cabinet. And she would be on the door until

614
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: she passed out from exhaustion, Like that was just like

615
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: her holding place, and everybody knew about it.

616
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: Jamie Joe, do you think there is any chance Ugley

617
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: is still alive?

618
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: In my heart, I hope, I hope I see her

619
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: again alive. I always will be a little hopeful. But

620
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: when you hear about the abuse that she endured, the

621
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: starvation or the drug use that the parents had, it's

622
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: hard for me to think that she's alive. But I

623
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: hope I get to see her again. I hope she's alive.

624
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: Have you ever Jamie jo Hiles confronted defects about what

625
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: they did?

626
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: I have written governor in multiple times asking for an

627
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: outside investigation. I have you know? As soon as this

628
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: kind of started to come to light and be in

629
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: the media, Washington DCYF called me and was like, Hey,

630
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: just a reminder that this is a private situation and

631
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: don't talk about it. And I was like, no, Like,

632
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: her case is closed, so I'm going to talk about

633
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: it because you guys messed up and I've never gotten anything.

634
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: Patrick Dowd, the onbuds mid for the Department and Children,

635
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: Youth and Family. They say there was nothing wrong done

636
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: in her case, and we know that that's not true,

637
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: so they will never take account of it.

638
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: Actually said, we did nothing wrong. They handed the baby back,

639
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: snatched out of your arms, and gave it back to

640
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: two no good parents who all they ever did was

641
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: sleep together and have a baby. That's it. And it's

642
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: been the rest of their time is trading this baby girl.

643
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: And they don't like what I'm saying. They're more than

644
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: welcome to join us. We've extended an invitation. They didn't join.

645
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: I wonder why they steal defects. Still says they did

646
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: nothing wrong.

647
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, And it's so it's laughable because I can say,

648
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: well what about this, and what about this, and what

649
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: about this? And they say, well, we followed all the rules,

650
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: We followed all the laws. Okay, well why didn't If

651
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm a mandator reporter by the state, why didn't you

652
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: check in on my claims of abuse? I contacted twice,

653
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: Why didn't you check in on them? That should have

654
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: been a red flag right there.

655
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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear back from Governor Jay Ainsley?

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Speaker 2: He won't even say her name, He's never said her name.

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Speaker 2: He says, oh, we're really sorry to hear about this,

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Speaker 2: but he's never said Oakley Carlson.

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Speaker 1: Let your voice be heard. The number for Governor Jay

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Speaker 1: Ainsley in Washington is three six zero nine zero too

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Speaker 1: for one one one repeat, Governor Jay Insley, you know

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Speaker 1: what grow a spine? Do something, just anything, Governor j Insley.

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Speaker 1: Repeat three six zero nine zero two four one one one.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you have to blow the whole

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Speaker 1: office up. This girl is very likely dead thanks to defects,

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00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: putting her back in harm's way. With two drug addled parents,

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00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: she had a slim chance at happiness, and they snatched

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00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: her away from that. Living in a dark cell under

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Speaker 1: the stairs, barricaded in by a sofa, she would scream

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Speaker 1: to get out until she passed out from exhaustion. Governor Insley,

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Speaker 1: how can you stand by and do nothing? Are you

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Speaker 1: like pontcous pilot? You just wash your hands and it's

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Speaker 1: all over, and you could turn away and just go

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Speaker 1: back to what you were doing. It's not that easy.

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Speaker 1: Tip line if you know or think you know anything

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Speaker 1: about Oakley three six zero five three three eight seven

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Speaker 1: six ' five repeat three six zero five three three

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Speaker 1: eight seven sixty five. There is a one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars reward for information. Jamie, Joe, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. I fear deeply that when you do see

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Speaker 1: Oakley again, you will only meet in heaven. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: I hear that too. We stop now to remember an

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Speaker 1: American hero, Deputy Sheriff Ned Bird Wait count Sheriffs North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: a US Air Force Vet Deputy Sheriff Bird survived by

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Speaker 1: his beloved canine partner Sasha, and nephews Tyler Logan Gavin Kobe.

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Speaker 1: An American hero Deputy Sheriff Ned Bird. End of Watch.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our guests, but especially to

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Speaker 1: Oakley's real mom Jamie Jo Hiles, Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend