WEBVTT - To Transvestigate a Baker

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Like a Virgin. I'm Rose Damu.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Chris Hansen with Z-Line NBC.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's officially spooky season. It is, you are hearing

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<v Speaker 1>this on October 1st.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you are.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the most wonderful time of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, this kind of is our Christmas. This is our

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<v Speaker 2>Met Gala.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our Pride.

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<v Speaker 2>This is our Pride.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our Arbor Day.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck is Arbor Day?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Earth Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Arbor as in, like, tree?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard this in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, did you not go to elementary school in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States of America? No, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that Earth Day is quite possibly one of

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<v Speaker 2>the least celebrated holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but it does coincide with 420 and Hitler's birthday. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The three holidays. The three.

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<v Speaker 2>The triad.

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<v Speaker 1>The canonical three.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose, is there anything scarier you can think of than

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<v Speaker 2>a possible glee reboot?

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<v Speaker 1>You mean the glee boot?

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<v Speaker 2>The glee boot.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Ryan Murphy was like, well, American Horror Story

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<v Speaker 1>13 isn't actually scary, so let me put the real

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<v Speaker 1>fear of God into these hoes. by announcing, by threatening

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<v Speaker 1>Ugly Boot.

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<v Speaker 2>This is first up on our bricking news agenda. Insert

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<v Speaker 2>sound effect. Bricking news. Um, Rose, something, when I texted

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<v Speaker 2>this to you, the first thing you said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>you noted the fact that Ryan Murphy got on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone with fucking Hollywood Reporter or whoever he gave this

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<v Speaker 2>story to, and he said, Yeah, I just finished the

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<v Speaker 2>script for the reboot an hour ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The most meth behavior ever.

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<v Speaker 2>To be so cracked out and so manic that you

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<v Speaker 2>finish a script, which by the way, your first draft

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<v Speaker 2>of anything is bad. I don't care how much of

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of talented master you are at whatever fucking

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<v Speaker 2>media you create. But to say, yeah, I just finished

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<v Speaker 2>this an hour ago and immediately announce it to the news.

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<v Speaker 1>But that must be Ryan Murphy's process because every script

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<v Speaker 1>he's ever written feels like a first draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Every script he's ever written feels like it was finished

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<v Speaker 2>an hour ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>An hour is generous. An hour is probably on the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine some of those Glee scripts he was handing

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<v Speaker 1>pages in. you know, as they were setting up to shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I imagine. He allegedly also was already in contact

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<v Speaker 2>with 10 cast members. Again, cocaine behavior. It is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, hey guys, hey guys, you want to make

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<v Speaker 1>some money?

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<v Speaker 2>He drops the PDF into the group chat, into the

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<v Speaker 2>really inactive group chat that he keeps spamming. Like he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like it's a group chat that like was started.

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<v Speaker 2>He added everyone to it. No, they did not consent

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<v Speaker 2>to it. Kind of like me and every group chat ever. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of giving, like, we took one group vacation, like,

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<v Speaker 2>eight years ago, and the only person still active is

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<v Speaker 2>the gay guy who keeps, like, spamming his latest project

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<v Speaker 2>into the group chat that no one else is participating in.

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<v Speaker 1>How many of those group chats would you say you're in?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, none that are being actively spammed outside of the doll.

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<v Speaker 1>Invasion group chat. The doll invasion group chat does kind

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<v Speaker 1>of give that because, like, It will be like mid-January

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<v Speaker 1>and someone will pop in and be like, doing a

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<v Speaker 1>dance show this week. Please come check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Kyanne just like sharing a beautiful post of herself

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<v Speaker 2>into the Instagram group chat. Honestly, I really, whenever I

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<v Speaker 2>have a group chat, I often will make an announcement

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<v Speaker 2>that this is like no spam allowed. However, I did

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<v Speaker 2>not make that announcement this year, which is why people are,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think I've only seen like two or three.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's actually been relatively smooth. restrained.

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<v Speaker 1>This actually reminds me of something that I forgot to

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<v Speaker 1>bring up at Vidal Debrief, which is that next year

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<v Speaker 1>in the group chat, reactions have to be unwelcome. No

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<v Speaker 1>heart reacts to messages.

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<v Speaker 2>All group chats should be muted. I think that's extremely important.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the heart reacts.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if they're muted, it just makes it very hard

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<v Speaker 1>to parse. Well, no, because the thing is, I have

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<v Speaker 1>group chats muted all the time, but Doll Invasion Weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep the notifications on because those notifications are very important. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And getting, you know, 12 messages in a row that

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<v Speaker 1>so-and-so hearted something said yesterday is not super helpful to

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<v Speaker 1>the process.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, something.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if you're on drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>If we just zoom out a bit, the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that There are people that are pro-group chat in life,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are people that are anti-group chat in life.

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<v Speaker 2>And you, Rose, are anti-group chat.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I'm in a couple of them, though.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most people are.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do initiate a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>What other group chats are you in? What other group

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<v Speaker 2>chats are you in and why am I not in them?

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? How dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually in a group chat with someone that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about later in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love that. Anyways, what 10 cast members do

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<v Speaker 2>you think Ryan Murphy got in touch with? Or is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything you have to say as a retired Gleek?

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<v Speaker 1>I would not even call myself a retired Gleek because

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<v Speaker 1>I only watched the first two seasons. I never finished

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<v Speaker 1>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And you rewatched the Turkey Lurkey episode every Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>do you not?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't watch the episode. I just watch the clip.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do occasionally listen to the soundtrack from the

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<v Speaker 1>first Madonna episode. Right. I would say it was Lea

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<v Speaker 1>Michele 10 times. It was all of Lea Michele's different

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<v Speaker 1>numbers were the 10 people he texted.

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<v Speaker 2>And she said yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said yes 10 times.

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<v Speaker 2>10 times.

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<v Speaker 1>And he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten times. The knife being the Glee boot script.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he is wielding it as a weapon. He's wielding

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of a Glee boot as a weapon. He's

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<v Speaker 1>weaponizing Glee. I mean, not that he's ever stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I also feel has been kind of

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<v Speaker 2>weaponized against me?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that on the new Tenasha album, which is

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<v Speaker 2>amazing actually that.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear haven't listened to it yet it's.

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<v Speaker 2>So so good she makes music for gay people and

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<v Speaker 2>i really like think that um i love her as

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who is kind of like eternally in the kia

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<v Speaker 2>asylum but like is.

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<v Speaker 1>Thriving she's kind of like the manager of the kia.

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<v Speaker 2>Asylum she is she's so and she like literally has

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<v Speaker 2>never fallen from grace yeah she has special privileges She

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<v Speaker 2>has a song on the album called Nobody Wanna Dance

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<v Speaker 2>Anymore that has sampled a Gaga song. And unfortunately, it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually one of the worst. It's a Gaga feature, technically.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one?

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<v Speaker 2>One of the worst Gaga features in history. I mean, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not as bad as the R. Kelly feature, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a song she did with Wale.

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<v Speaker 1>Called Chillin'. Yes, I know it well, especially because of

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<v Speaker 1>the music video where they're just standing in a parking lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, girl, this song is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like truly easily, I mean, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>if you could count this as a song in her catalog,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's one of the worst songs in her catalog.

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<v Speaker 1>It's during the fame era, but it's before she was

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<v Speaker 1>really famous and she was just kind of doing whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>She was just kind of saying yes to whoever.

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<v Speaker 1>She was saying yes and.

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<v Speaker 2>I also was reading about the history of the song

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<v Speaker 2>and that like Wally asked to do a song with

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<v Speaker 2>her and like just sent her the track and And

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<v Speaker 2>Gaga was like, I don't do that. Like, I'm not,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, like, just get sent the track. I need

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down and meet with you. And Wally had to, like,

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<v Speaker 2>had a night out of partying, showed up to a

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<v Speaker 2>studio with Gaga where he sat down with her. And

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<v Speaker 2>he said he walked in and she had, like, the

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<v Speaker 2>infamous hair bow. And he referred to seeing her as

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of culture shock.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, she, that makes sense. And God, I miss

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<v Speaker 1>the hair bow days. I really wish I've, I've actually,

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<v Speaker 1>when I thought of getting a Gaga tattoo, I've thought

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<v Speaker 1>of getting like the outline of the hair bow. Bless you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I, I always kind of wished that she,

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<v Speaker 1>during the mayhem era, I was kind of wishing that

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<v Speaker 1>she brought the hair bow back since it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a return to form.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Gaga pretty much doesn't do anything twice, right?

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true. Well, what has she done twice? In

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<v Speaker 2>terms of like looks.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. And yeah, she does.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe like blanches.

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<v Speaker 1>She does reinterpretations of the same look multiple times. She

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<v Speaker 1>has certain.

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<v Speaker 2>Motifs.

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<v Speaker 1>Motifs.

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<v Speaker 2>The armadillo boots and whatever. What have you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the bow. The bow she did so, so, so many times.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want it back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we want her to reheat the nachos yes is

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<v Speaker 2>what we want mayhem was.

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<v Speaker 1>All about reheating her nachos and that is one nacho

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<v Speaker 1>she left in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fridge sorry to like get into that discourse but i.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we truly don't have time for it

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have time for it today but.

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<v Speaker 2>My take is that she we at the time i

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we felt like she was reheating her nachos

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<v Speaker 2>but actually she didn't reheat them enough We needed more nachos.

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<v Speaker 1>They needed a little more time in the air fryer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, girl, you don't watch Great British Baking Show,

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<v Speaker 2>do you?

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<v Speaker 1>I do, but I always wait till all of it's

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<v Speaker 1>out so I can consume it all at once because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't really deal with it on a week-to-week basis.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really, truly so shocking, but we have the

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<v Speaker 2>first thruple. On Great British Baking Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, is Frankie Grande a contestant? Former guest

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, Frankie Grande?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my God, former guest of the show, Frankie Grande.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss him.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss him too. We should bring him back. He

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be the third host. We need to make

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<v Speaker 1>this a thruple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, honestly. So the thruple itself does not compete on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, but one member of the thruple is competing

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. And they obviously always show little like,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like flash sequences of like, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>hobby that one of the competitors has or, like, a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>So his hobby is being in a throuple?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just... Or, like, a four-second kind of montage of, like,

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<v Speaker 2>their home life, their family life. And this vignette was

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<v Speaker 2>truly four seconds of his partner's plural.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugh, that's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately, Rose... The reason I'm bringing it up and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I want to bring it to the virgins

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<v Speaker 2>is not just because this is at the intersection of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pervs, perversion. Because, you know, if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a throuple, you're a perv. It must be said.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, it needs to hit at least two of

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<v Speaker 1>the like a virgin metrics. So which other one does

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<v Speaker 1>it hit? I.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm transvestigating him.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is important. There has never, ever, ever been

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<v Speaker 2>a transsexual contestant of Great British Baking Show in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Which you think would be surprising, but then you remember

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a British show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also trans people have a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have time to bake.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have time to bake. This guy has a

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<v Speaker 2>septum piercing and a mustache, and I would not have

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<v Speaker 2>transvesticated him until I found out That he performs under

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<v Speaker 2>a drag persona called Blue Romantic that is a drag

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<v Speaker 2>king persona.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, trans boots.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but here's the thing, Rose. The Great British Baking

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<v Speaker 2>Show website uses both they and he pronouns for this person, alternating,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very inclusive, honestly. There's nothing... That a he,

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<v Speaker 2>they loves more than both pronouns being used in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of bio.

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<v Speaker 1>And the he, they is the contestant or one of

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<v Speaker 1>the boyfriends?

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<v Speaker 2>The contestant.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Used both they and he pronouns to refer to one contestant.

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<v Speaker 1>Fabulous.

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<v Speaker 2>Fab. I thought to myself, is this guy transgender? Would

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<v Speaker 2>this not be publicly available information on a cursory information?

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<v Speaker 2>They cannot find anything about transsexuality outside of the pronoun Z.

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<v Speaker 1>Stealth, honey.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. But here's the thing, though. What if he is a,

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<v Speaker 2>and pardon my terminology, a bio-king? Does that exist? That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm asking. We as a community, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>we have retired the term bio-queen to refer to- And

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<v Speaker 2>we're resurrecting it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, likely.

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<v Speaker 2>If the virgins don't know, a bio-queen refers to an

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<v Speaker 2>AFAB performer, a cis woman performer who is inhabiting a

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<v Speaker 2>drag queen persona. But I have never in my life

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<v Speaker 2>heard of an AMAB or, like, cis male person. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this person's cis male, but, like,

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<v Speaker 2>a person who is a drag king.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. If you want to know what a bio

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<v Speaker 1>queen is, it's Elvira, who's right behind me and also who's...

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<v Speaker 1>coffee mug I'm currently drinking from.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's an amazing coffee mug.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to take a photo of that for

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<v Speaker 2>the virgins. Okay. Anyways, I will let the virgins tell

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<v Speaker 2>me if they have any further transvestigation. I really am

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to bring important representation to light.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, you wanna fuck him, I'm guessing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't wanna fuck Gabe, but there is this

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<v Speaker 2>other contestant on... a fucking great British baking show call.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his name is Jordan. Oh my, no, no, no. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to type in GBBO hot contestant and

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<v Speaker 2>he will come up. He has beautiful lips and the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of mischievous grimacing teeth of like an elf. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>he is so sexy. Um, they always need to put

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<v Speaker 2>one hottie, one hottie who is kind of like a,

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<v Speaker 2>A demon bottom, but you would never know it based

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<v Speaker 2>on the show, but you can tell just by looking

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<v Speaker 2>at him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy, the virgins know who I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually can't figure out his name, but when I do,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really nonspecific to look up Great British Bake

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<v Speaker 1>Off hot guy because there have been so many sexy

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<v Speaker 1>contestants on the show. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you would say that.

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<v Speaker 1>They... cast like they're trying to hire people to work

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<v Speaker 1>as Trader Joe's cashiers, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it, oh my god. Wait, that's so accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>The hot contestants are hot in a kind of Trader

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's cashier way. Actually, kind of all Great British Bake

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<v Speaker 2>Off contestants could be cashiers at Trader Joe's. Like, you've got, like,

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<v Speaker 2>random older lady, random older guy who looks like he

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<v Speaker 2>skateboards to work. You've got, like, Kind of mom types. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>There is... Wow. I'm really... I'm cooking on something here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. And, Virgins, if you are watching Great British Speaking Show,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know who your favorite contestant is. Mine

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<v Speaker 2>is Dani, and I ride for her. Girl, we have

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<v Speaker 2>two live-action reboots that are being announced right now that

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<v Speaker 2>are uniquely... Sorry, Disney live-action remakes that are announced... that

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<v Speaker 2>are uniquely at the intersection of the Virgin's interests.

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<v Speaker 1>Were they announced officially? Or is this just rumor chatter?

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<v Speaker 2>They were both announced. Oh, no, no. One is rumored,

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<v Speaker 2>one is announced.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's the rumor?

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<v Speaker 2>The rumor is that Tom Holland is in talks to

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<v Speaker 2>play Milo in a live-action Atlantis.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that was fake news. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>you fell for a Disgusting Fish tweet.

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<v Speaker 2>I fell for a pop-based announcement.

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<v Speaker 1>You got poop craved.

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<v Speaker 2>Poop craved. Look, okay, if that is hearsay, obviously we still,

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<v Speaker 2>in the cultural imagination, want to know who would play

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<v Speaker 2>Tarzan and who would fuck him in this live-action reboot

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<v Speaker 2>as purported by a one Megami who tweeted this. Protect

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<v Speaker 2>Queer Art. Protect Queer Art.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would play Tarzan? Okay, what's the one... Who is

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<v Speaker 1>my question? Jacob Elordi.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you want to watch Jacob Elordi fuck Tom Holland? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently I was reading that the live action Tarzan will

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<v Speaker 2>never get made because William S. Burroughs estate will no

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<v Speaker 2>longer let Disney do anything with the IP. And I'm like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>the Burroughs estate, you're a bunch of fucking morons. The

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<v Speaker 2>Disney's Tarzan cartoon is the best thing to have ever

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<v Speaker 2>happened to fucking Burroughs IP because That book is racist

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<v Speaker 2>as hell, if you remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do recall that. What's the one that was

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<v Speaker 1>officially announced? And did it come from an official Disney

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<v Speaker 1>account or a publicist?

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<v Speaker 2>This came from an official publicist. This came from, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>a Deadline article. Yes, Dan Trattenberg is developing an original

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<v Speaker 2>book film inspired by sleeping beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in, why are they making a sleeping beauty reboot?

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<v Speaker 1>We have Maleficent at home on Disney plus. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been two Maleficent films in the past 10 years.

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<v Speaker 2>What's crazy is like, this is a director who is

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<v Speaker 2>behind prey. That amazing adaptation, that amazing addition to the

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<v Speaker 2>predator franchise. Um, he says in the various press about

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<v Speaker 2>this reboot, that it will be a fierce departure from

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<v Speaker 2>the i mean he didn't use the word departure that's

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<v Speaker 2>my that's my terminology but he's saying you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be like those other reboots you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a new take it's gonna be a maleficent

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a you know like he he he's

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of like really hinting to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>this is not sleeping beauty this is inspired by sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>beauty and i say i'll believe it when i motherfucking

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<v Speaker 2>see it i do not believe that at all I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting hoodwinked again, although I'm sure I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>it opening weekend or either opening weekend or like the

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<v Speaker 1>last week it's available in theaters.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember when Snow White was happening and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is a new take on Snow White.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the feminist take on Snow White. You'll never

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<v Speaker 2>believe how fucking feminist this movie is. It's totally different.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's literally starring Gal Gadot. And it's genocide-ier Gal Gadot.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough poison apples to fill the Nile. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I was with Julio and James last night and they

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<v Speaker 2>reminded me that Mirror Mirror starring Julia Roberts.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lily.

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<v Speaker 2>James is Lily Collins, Lily Collins. They, they said that

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<v Speaker 2>I've never production design. I've never seen it either. We

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<v Speaker 2>should watch it. They said the production design is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not enough for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know. It's got Julia Roberts playing a bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's something.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many films I could watch if I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see Julia Roberts play a bitch that weren't

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<v Speaker 1>critically maligned Snow White retellings.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, Mother's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two, Erin Brockovich.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, she doesn't play a bitch in Erin Brockovich.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she does.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she plays a completely lovable and canonically beloved.

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<v Speaker 1>character no but she's barely one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>makes her beloved is that she's a bitch i think.

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<v Speaker 2>She sticks up for herself rose i think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying i'm not saying bitch is a negative

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<v Speaker 1>term like i'm saying bitch is a positive i mean

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<v Speaker 1>i would i would be like i would call her

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<v Speaker 1>character in my best friend's wedding a bitch as.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Okay, yeah, actually, now that I am kind of

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<v Speaker 2>remembering her sinister shade, that's all you got, lady. Two

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<v Speaker 2>left feet and what does she say?

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<v Speaker 1>Two left feet and an ugly pair of shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>And an ugly pair of shoes. God, perfect film. Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>the meatiest entry to our bricking news segment.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, a brick just fell on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Insert brick falling sound here. Because don't promise something I

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<v Speaker 2>can't keep. This is week old news at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>No more than a week old news at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>but the discourse is still going, baby. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>bar in Boston, a lesbian bar in Boston. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a COVID conscious bar. It's for people that are chronically ill.

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<v Speaker 2>That has a required mask. mandate that announced on, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually don't know the full details of this story. The

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<v Speaker 2>only thing I know is that they made an announcement

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<v Speaker 2>saying that- I believe it was on Facebook. Yes. They

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<v Speaker 2>made an announcement that said on Saturdays, they actually will

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<v Speaker 2>be making it a mask optional day so that they

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<v Speaker 2>can open up the bar to new kinds of patrons.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously everybody had a kind of I would say

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<v Speaker 2>everyone had a kind of neurotypical response to this.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean a neuroatypical response?

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<v Speaker 2>A neuroatypical response. Well, it was typical for the neurodivergent. Right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a neurodivergent response.

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<v Speaker 1>Customers. A seemingly disproportionate response to which people were accusing

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<v Speaker 1>the bar owners of trying to kill disabled people and

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<v Speaker 1>being eugenicists.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly.

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<v Speaker 1>Really unhinged behavior that was very fun to read about,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I do think the... Rubbernecking got a bit

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<v Speaker 1>out of hand and just enabled people to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how much they hate woke queer people. Yeah. Or just

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<v Speaker 1>queer people generally.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing is, to get the easy dunking

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way, the account SereneNeurosis.

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<v Speaker 3>The infamous SereneNeurosis, Necrosis.

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<v Speaker 2>Serene necrosis.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is probably most famous for, at one point, tweeting,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not lost on me that I've received a huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of hate from so-called leftist accounts since changing my

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<v Speaker 1>profile picture to include a hijab-inspired secular accessorization. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a white, non-binary person, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Self-described communist, pagan, they-them, pansexual, agender. A D H D

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<v Speaker 2>L C M E. Don't even know what any of

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<v Speaker 2>those letters are. Ethnically Irish married to DOS Jill Stein

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<v Speaker 2>voter from Louisiana organizer, polymath and lunatic. This is so,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe this is a real person because it

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<v Speaker 2>feels so AI generated kind of created by some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like, well, no, it feels like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Troll account, but I think it's, I think it's real.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like so real that it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>trolling because it's, as you mentioned in their profile, they

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<v Speaker 1>call themselves ethnic, ethnically Irish. Another tweet they, they quoted

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<v Speaker 1>was ethnically Irish people are the only people who should

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<v Speaker 1>be drinking milk actually. And the rest of you should

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<v Speaker 1>stop appropriating our indigenous foods.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I really want to say something about how this

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<v Speaker 2>reminds you of somebody that I slept with. And actually I,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Um, I have to say Rose, It's so

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<v Speaker 2>easy to dunk on this person, but if we here

0:25:01.730 --> 0:25:04.570
<v Speaker 2>at Like A Version are going to be so responsible,

0:25:04.670 --> 0:25:06.410
<v Speaker 2>we have to go back to what you just said

0:25:06.430 --> 0:25:13.540
<v Speaker 2>before it, which is that our online behavioral response to

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>this Boston Globe article and the aftermath and the them.us

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 2>recaps of it all is so indicative of a really,

0:25:21.940 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 2>of a kind of psychosis on both sides of the culture.

0:25:25.380 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a centrist podcast, so we're blowing that

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<v Speaker 1>shit wide open. This is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely. Okay. It's so worth, speaking of centrism, quote

0:25:35.420 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>unquote centrism, it's worth mentioning something that a lot of

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:42.780
<v Speaker 2>people do not know, which is that Jesse Singel. No.

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.540
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yes. Jesse fucking single ran up my spine.

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>If you're unfamiliar, um, and Rose, please add to the bio.

0:25:50.060 --> 0:25:52.820
<v Speaker 2>If you can like Jesse single is a former New

0:25:52.859 --> 0:25:53.660
<v Speaker 2>York time, no.

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.340
<v Speaker 1>Writer for the Atlantic who is known for writing a

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of anti trans posited as like just asking questions,

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:07.979
<v Speaker 1>kind of journalism that actively harms trans people. He's someone

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>who blocked me on Twitter years ago, years.

0:26:10.500 --> 0:26:16.610
<v Speaker 2>Ago, disgusting, disgusting investigative reporting. With the intent to, although

0:26:16.630 --> 0:26:22.300
<v Speaker 2>he would deny it, with the intent to basically not

0:26:22.380 --> 0:26:25.180
<v Speaker 2>let trans kids get healthcare of any kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely a good Judy of J.K.

0:26:27.340 --> 0:26:31.109
<v Speaker 2>Rowling. Yes, truly. They are like palm in palm. Jesse

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:35.750
<v Speaker 2>Singleton played an integral role. In breaking this Boston Globe story.

0:26:35.850 --> 0:26:39.850
<v Speaker 1>Yikes. That really reframes things, doesn't it?

0:26:40.050 --> 0:26:43.189
<v Speaker 2>Girl, his sub stack published like the original, like the

0:26:43.410 --> 0:26:46.830
<v Speaker 2>audio of this bars, quote unquote, accountability session, which I

0:26:47.230 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>had to do. I had to exercise so much restraint

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.380
<v Speaker 2>to not hit play on that.

0:26:53.010 --> 0:26:53.350
<v Speaker 3>Girl.

0:26:54.750 --> 0:26:57.250
<v Speaker 2>Reading the quotes was enough for me. I would not

0:26:57.310 --> 0:27:00.360
<v Speaker 2>want to hear those things spoken aloud. I couldn't even

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.300
<v Speaker 2>finish the Boston Globe article. It was making me so upset.

0:27:04.180 --> 0:27:09.360
<v Speaker 2>It was so rage-baity. But all of this is tailored for,

0:27:09.380 --> 0:27:17.340
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a really disgusting thing that we do

0:27:17.380 --> 0:27:21.250
<v Speaker 2>in the culture, which is like, We want to punish

0:27:24.530 --> 0:27:27.949
<v Speaker 2>liberals on this side of the argument that annoy the

0:27:27.970 --> 0:27:30.230
<v Speaker 2>fuck out of us because they are actually really fucking

0:27:30.270 --> 0:27:34.129
<v Speaker 2>annoying and they do engage in truly insidious behavior.

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.660
<v Speaker 1>And we feel like they make us look bad by association.

0:27:37.780 --> 0:27:40.820
<v Speaker 1>It's the concept of you're only as clocky as your

0:27:40.859 --> 0:27:42.379
<v Speaker 1>clockiest friend. Yes.

0:27:43.180 --> 0:27:50.340
<v Speaker 2>And also, it is such loser behavior, actually. to like

0:27:50.420 --> 0:27:52.899
<v Speaker 2>dunk on these people when this like really should have

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.030
<v Speaker 2>been like an intracommunal conversation. Not that anything is anymore.

0:27:56.330 --> 0:28:01.129
<v Speaker 1>Yes. On the other hand, I will say just on

0:28:01.170 --> 0:28:06.390
<v Speaker 1>the serene necrosis of it all, they did say that,

0:28:07.710 --> 0:28:10.690
<v Speaker 1>you know, their commentary, of course they don't live at

0:28:10.730 --> 0:28:14.470
<v Speaker 1>the scene of the lesbian COVID conscious lesbian bar. They said,

0:28:14.650 --> 0:28:16.150
<v Speaker 1>I don't even live in your town, but I hope

0:28:16.170 --> 0:28:20.770
<v Speaker 1>your venue gets fire bombed. for robbing my fellow immunocompromised

0:28:20.810 --> 0:28:24.020
<v Speaker 1>people of their Saturday plans just to scrape extra revenue

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>from ableists and friend of the show and former guests,

0:28:28.460 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Ashley Reese, um, has a really interesting Instagram reel in

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.139
<v Speaker 1>which she talked about how this person helped propagate the

0:28:37.220 --> 0:28:41.710
<v Speaker 1>rumor that Ashley murdered her, her terminally ill husband.

0:28:41.750 --> 0:28:42.030
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:28:42.210 --> 0:28:47.660
<v Speaker 1>By hosting a wedding in late 2022 and, And then

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.209
<v Speaker 1>this person went on to be unmasked at their own

0:28:51.270 --> 0:28:56.810
<v Speaker 1>wedding and is now saying that this bar should be firebombed. Crazy.

0:28:57.270 --> 0:28:57.690
<v Speaker 2>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>That part of it, I think, is still worth a

0:29:00.690 --> 0:29:03.220
<v Speaker 1>little pointing and laughing.

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.980
<v Speaker 2>Former guests of the show, this is an Ashley Reese

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:11.610
<v Speaker 2>Stan podcast, okay? We stand behind her. I also say.

0:29:11.670 --> 0:29:12.890
<v Speaker 1>I'm with her, as they say.

0:29:13.170 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 2>There's already talks for a film adaptation of this whole controversy.

0:29:17.340 --> 0:29:18.219
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god!

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:22.020
<v Speaker 1>It would be the most infuriating film ever made.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.100
<v Speaker 2>I understand the irony of the fact that we are

0:29:24.140 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>about to talk about fucking primetime, but the zolification of

0:29:28.660 --> 0:29:32.710
<v Speaker 2>media must be stopped. We have to stop like creating

0:29:32.970 --> 0:29:35.090
<v Speaker 2>IP out of like, out of like.

0:29:35.030 --> 0:29:40.380
<v Speaker 1>Viral scandals, viral threads. And like, like the trailer for

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the fucking chat GPT movie yesterday with Andrew Garfield, like Luca,

0:29:46.980 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I have followed Luca Guadagnino places. I wouldn't go with

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.500
<v Speaker 1>a gun, but I think I'm going to have to

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:52.620
<v Speaker 1>sit that one out.

0:29:53.260 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like really have no desire to like, you

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 2>satiate the kind of disgusting part of me that wants

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.780
<v Speaker 2>to like rage watch it. You know what I mean?

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:10.010
<v Speaker 1>Like, I know it's just the true crimification of our culture,

0:30:10.190 --> 0:30:13.710
<v Speaker 1>which is, and, and the, I think what this is

0:30:13.750 --> 0:30:17.810
<v Speaker 1>just indicative of is that the, the line on what

0:30:17.910 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>we as a culture consider crime keeps being pushed further

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:27.469
<v Speaker 1>and further towards just like behavior and, it's, it is

0:30:27.590 --> 0:30:31.690
<v Speaker 1>policing the way people talk and act the same way

0:30:31.710 --> 0:30:33.210
<v Speaker 1>we police actual criminals.

0:30:33.690 --> 0:30:39.790
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Yes. And also like the same way that something,

0:30:40.050 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>an article like this is something that the Jesse singles

0:30:42.950 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>of the world are using to bait the motherfucking like

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Republican side of the argument to say, look how, look

0:30:52.660 --> 0:30:59.110
<v Speaker 2>at all these fucking, uh, liberal idiots yeah exactly exactly

0:30:59.750 --> 0:31:03.209
<v Speaker 2>like and the same way like we are on the

0:31:03.330 --> 0:31:07.490
<v Speaker 2>other side kind of baiting each other into um as

0:31:07.550 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 2>we all like kind of sit and wait for an

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to like make fun of people that are covid

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 2>conscious because sorry it is a kind of easy target

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.780
<v Speaker 2>sometimes because they they of the because of the serene

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>necrosis is serene necrosis of the world so necrosis is

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:24.260
<v Speaker 2>the plural you.

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:26.420
<v Speaker 1>And there are many.

0:31:26.860 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>But waiting for the opportunity to kind of dunk on

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.540
<v Speaker 2>people that are immunocompromised or people that have long COVID

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.610
<v Speaker 2>or any kind of person like that is also a

0:31:37.700 --> 0:31:39.110
<v Speaker 2>really icky thing.

0:31:39.290 --> 0:31:40.750
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? And also people who care

0:31:40.790 --> 0:31:43.830
<v Speaker 1>about things that you don't care about and probably secretly

0:31:43.890 --> 0:31:47.450
<v Speaker 1>feel bad about not caring about. And I do think

0:31:47.490 --> 0:31:51.030
<v Speaker 1>there is also this impulse, especially among queer people, to

0:31:51.070 --> 0:31:54.020
<v Speaker 1>be like, well, look, I'm not as... queer as that

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.380
<v Speaker 1>person it could be so much worse I'm one of

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.580
<v Speaker 1>the I'm one of the cool ones I'm not like

0:31:58.740 --> 0:32:01.940
<v Speaker 1>regular I'm not like regular woke people I'm a cool

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>woke person.

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 2>That is literally also such a good segue into our

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.420
<v Speaker 2>main discussion but like to put a button on this

0:32:10.500 --> 0:32:14.620
<v Speaker 2>it's like honestly this whole scenario this whole like Boston

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:22.340
<v Speaker 2>COVID lesbian bar scenario reminded me of t-boy wrestling and

0:32:23.500 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 2>That whole situation, I do not have time today to

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 2>summarize it for you. I have been asked by the

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.180
<v Speaker 2>virgins to summarize it on a perhaps paywalled episode, which

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.030
<v Speaker 2>could happen. Yeah, or you could just go on Reddit

0:32:37.050 --> 0:32:40.770
<v Speaker 2>and figure it out for yourself. I would not recommend

0:32:41.290 --> 0:32:43.710
<v Speaker 2>the YouTube essays about it.

0:32:43.710 --> 0:32:46.710
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I didn't know there were any. Now I kind

0:32:46.750 --> 0:32:47.510
<v Speaker 1>of want to watch one.

0:32:47.530 --> 0:32:53.890
<v Speaker 2>There are some really... really infactual YouTube summaries of the situation.

0:32:54.030 --> 0:32:57.340
<v Speaker 2>I would recommend one of the co-founders YouTube essay about it.

0:32:57.530 --> 0:33:01.610
<v Speaker 2>Adam Bedrowski. I think that's his last name. This is

0:33:01.670 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the unproblematic co-founder of T by wrestling, who was also

0:33:06.820 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of like implicated in the whole situation of quote

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.220
<v Speaker 2>unquote embezzlement, which I'm not even sure that's the right

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>term for the whole situation. But anyways, the other co-founder

0:33:17.700 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>of T by wrestling, was the ultimate culprit. Anyways, I

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>bring it up to say that there's this, the kind

0:33:27.460 --> 0:33:30.340
<v Speaker 2>of psychosis that we're witnessing in this specific situation just

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>is so indicative of a really, really gross fucking thing

0:33:33.660 --> 0:33:38.570
<v Speaker 2>that we do as a culture on the woke quote-unquote side,

0:33:38.870 --> 0:33:42.550
<v Speaker 2>which is that we say, if this thing that I

0:33:42.630 --> 0:33:46.190
<v Speaker 2>see is not tailored for me personally so specifically to

0:33:46.230 --> 0:33:50.850
<v Speaker 2>my needs, then it must be or it must be

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.410
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the road, unethical, or at the

0:33:54.430 --> 0:33:56.770
<v Speaker 2>very least, it must be problematized.

0:33:57.110 --> 0:33:59.370
<v Speaker 1>And is worthy of public shaming.

0:33:59.750 --> 0:34:03.670
<v Speaker 2>And often, all three of those things are not true.

0:34:03.690 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>A lesbian, and forgive me, I don't know the full

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:11.220
<v Speaker 2>details of the situation, but if a fucking lesbian bar owner,

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, is struggling to make ends meet, as is

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the case with the 99, 8% of gay bars in

0:34:18.180 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 2>the country and wants to open up a Saturday for

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.390
<v Speaker 2>people to have a mask optional day. That is just

0:34:26.750 --> 0:34:28.890
<v Speaker 2>as important. That could be, could we exist in a

0:34:28.930 --> 0:34:32.330
<v Speaker 2>society that believes that that is just as important as

0:34:32.890 --> 0:34:34.690
<v Speaker 2>a person with long COVID who wants to have a

0:34:34.710 --> 0:34:36.669
<v Speaker 2>safe night out? You know what I mean? Something like that.

0:34:36.730 --> 0:34:40.810
<v Speaker 2>Like we really struggle to hold both in our hands.

0:34:41.290 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think that is a thematic question. Um, In

0:34:46.380 --> 0:34:49.779
<v Speaker 2>the film Primetime, starring Robert Pattinson.

0:34:50.140 --> 0:34:51.720
<v Speaker 1>You see how this looks, right?

0:34:51.940 --> 0:34:55.100
<v Speaker 2>You see how this looks, right? This is Like a Virgin,

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:59.220
<v Speaker 2>the podcast for pervs, nerds, and trannies. I can't do the...

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't... You have to make your mouth so wide,

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.900
<v Speaker 2>and you have to kind of grimace. There's a wide

0:35:04.060 --> 0:35:05.859
<v Speaker 2>teeth thing that kind of has to happen when you

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.700
<v Speaker 2>do the Robert Pattinson as Chris Hansen impression.

0:35:08.780 --> 0:35:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And I do think thin lips are kind of important. Yeah.

0:35:12.020 --> 0:35:13.140
<v Speaker 2>And neither of us.

0:35:13.540 --> 0:35:18.610
<v Speaker 1>We both have, you know... A beautiful, plumped lips.

0:35:18.989 --> 0:35:23.930
<v Speaker 2>If you listened to our Patreon episode, Batman Movies Ranked

0:35:23.950 --> 0:35:28.370
<v Speaker 2>by Bisexuality, you would say we would have Val Kilmer lips.

0:35:29.010 --> 0:35:31.230
<v Speaker 1>Okay? I think my lips are bigger than Val Kilmer's.

0:35:31.750 --> 0:35:34.350
<v Speaker 2>I wish my Cupid's bow was as big as Val Kilmer's,

0:35:34.450 --> 0:35:39.190
<v Speaker 2>and I am thinking about getting some filler. Anyways, I digress.

0:35:39.650 --> 0:35:40.370
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

0:35:40.390 --> 0:35:40.740
<v Speaker 2>Rose, you.

0:35:40.750 --> 0:35:42.910
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, let's talk about primetime.

0:35:42.930 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you're... You've done more research on the background,

0:35:47.340 --> 0:35:49.899
<v Speaker 2>and I would love for you to drive this discussion. Yeah.

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:54.700
<v Speaker 1>Prime Time, a film we saw yesterday at Alamo Drafthouse

0:35:54.800 --> 0:36:01.710
<v Speaker 1>against Fran's wishes, is directed by Lance Oppenheim, who comes

0:36:01.810 --> 0:36:04.969
<v Speaker 1>from documentary films, which I think you can very much

0:36:05.210 --> 0:36:09.950
<v Speaker 1>tell watching this movie. It was written by Ajahn Singh.

0:36:09.989 --> 0:36:14.790
<v Speaker 1>I hope I'm pronouncing that right. Stars Robert Pattinson... as

0:36:15.430 --> 0:36:21.509
<v Speaker 1>famed or I guess better, it's better to say infamous, um,

0:36:22.110 --> 0:36:27.310
<v Speaker 1>TV reporter, Chris Hansen, who had a show in the

0:36:27.350 --> 0:36:31.310
<v Speaker 1>early two thousands that my family used to watch on

0:36:31.390 --> 0:36:35.850
<v Speaker 1>the TV on our kitchen Island during dinner. Uh, so

0:36:35.890 --> 0:36:38.390
<v Speaker 1>that kind of says it all about what kind of

0:36:39.290 --> 0:36:43.350
<v Speaker 1>entertainment this was. And it was a show in which, um,

0:36:44.060 --> 0:36:53.529
<v Speaker 1>Actors playing teens would lure male adult predators to.

0:36:53.550 --> 0:36:55.690
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's say alleged predators.

0:36:55.890 --> 0:36:56.710
<v Speaker 1>Alleged predators.

0:36:56.730 --> 0:36:59.950
<v Speaker 2>Because to be honest, varying degrees of predatory behavior.

0:37:00.110 --> 0:37:01.459
<v Speaker 1>Yes, although... I'm.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Not bold sizing, I'm just saying that the movie complicates that.

0:37:05.860 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Legally soliciting a child or someone presenting themselves as a

0:37:10.140 --> 0:37:12.219
<v Speaker 1>child for sex is illegal.

0:37:12.890 --> 0:37:13.489
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:13.610 --> 0:37:14.050
<v Speaker 1>Is illegal.

0:37:14.290 --> 0:37:14.950
<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely clear.

0:37:14.969 --> 0:37:15.810
<v Speaker 1>That is predation.

0:37:16.130 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's what the show is kind of predicated on.

0:37:18.410 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes. And the show, you know, would lure these quote

0:37:23.300 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>unquote predators to a fake house that had been rented

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:34.529
<v Speaker 1>for filming purposes, which was just a set and would

0:37:34.570 --> 0:37:39.850
<v Speaker 1>do a bait and switch with these actors playing, you know, decoys.

0:37:40.570 --> 0:37:45.810
<v Speaker 1>And then Chris Hansen would come in and ask them,

0:37:45.930 --> 0:37:48.569
<v Speaker 1>what did you think was going to happen today? Would

0:37:48.630 --> 0:37:53.830
<v Speaker 1>read them their messages, very explicit messages with who they

0:37:53.850 --> 0:37:58.190
<v Speaker 1>thought were teenagers, would tell them they were free to go,

0:37:58.489 --> 0:38:04.500
<v Speaker 1>and then those men would immediately be arrested by law enforcement,

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:08.940
<v Speaker 1>who it was always purported worked in a sort of

0:38:09.380 --> 0:38:17.010
<v Speaker 1>parallel path to the show running their own criminal investigations

0:38:17.190 --> 0:38:20.090
<v Speaker 1>parallel to the investigation being done by to catch a

0:38:20.150 --> 0:38:25.370
<v Speaker 1>predator and their the organization they worked with um uh

0:38:25.690 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 1>fuck was it something justice oh um uh perverted justice.

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:35.620
<v Speaker 2>Perverted justice which is honestly low-key Alternate title for this podcast.

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:43.180
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, need a t-shirt. But as many have said in

0:38:43.219 --> 0:38:49.010
<v Speaker 1>the years since, especially in the 2007 Esquire article, Tonight

0:38:49.070 --> 0:38:52.750
<v Speaker 1>on Deadline, This Man Will Die by Luke Dittrich, on

0:38:52.810 --> 0:38:56.770
<v Speaker 1>which this film is based, the idea of these parallel

0:38:56.810 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 1>investigations was not exactly true. And more often than not, the...

0:39:04.130 --> 0:39:08.150
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement were kind of just background actors in this

0:39:08.210 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>TV show helping to give it legitimacy because no one

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:17.359
<v Speaker 1>wanted to watch a show in which the predator was,

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.819
<v Speaker 1>you know, as is said in this article, no one

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:23.330
<v Speaker 1>wanted to watch to catch and release a predator. There

0:39:23.370 --> 0:39:26.250
<v Speaker 1>had to be some kind of button on the end

0:39:26.290 --> 0:39:29.630
<v Speaker 1>of the show. And that was the police. And in fact,

0:39:32.410 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>most of these arrests, there were no actual charges filed

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.800
<v Speaker 1>against the perpetrators, which I think we'll get into a

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<v Speaker 1>little later in this discussion, the actual details of the

0:39:44.380 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>case that this is based on. I think we should

0:39:47.260 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>start off with did we like the movie? And the

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.069
<v Speaker 1>answer for me is, I fucking loved it.

0:39:55.739 --> 0:39:58.870
<v Speaker 2>I did fucking love this movie.

0:39:59.410 --> 0:40:04.180
<v Speaker 1>It was so good. It's very cliche to be like, oh,

0:40:04.210 --> 0:40:07.029
<v Speaker 1>it's a fever dream of a film, but this was

0:40:07.530 --> 0:40:09.259
<v Speaker 1>literally a fever dream of a film.

0:40:09.660 --> 0:40:13.020
<v Speaker 2>And I think, so fever dream, even terminology, I think

0:40:13.060 --> 0:40:16.060
<v Speaker 2>the filmmaker himself used to describe the film because it

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:20.690
<v Speaker 2>is a pretty, I would say surrealist take.

0:40:20.710 --> 0:40:22.410
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of Lynchian in a way.

0:40:22.690 --> 0:40:28.050
<v Speaker 2>It's Lynchian. It's really weird. It's surrealist.

0:40:28.370 --> 0:40:31.069
<v Speaker 1>It's almost abstract at some points.

0:40:31.450 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, extremely. And there's kind of dream ballets and fantasy montages.

0:40:42.739 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 2>There's at least one or two that take place in

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.070
<v Speaker 2>this film that I think complicate the film's sense of reality,

0:40:48.570 --> 0:40:57.100
<v Speaker 2>and also Rob Pattinson's depiction of Chris Hansen is not, like,

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 2>it is accurate in speech, but it's not trying to

0:41:01.860 --> 0:41:07.450
<v Speaker 2>be a picture-perfect, accurate, realist take on Chris Hansen.

0:41:07.550 --> 0:41:10.489
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not literal. It's an interpretation, for sure.

0:41:10.950 --> 0:41:14.730
<v Speaker 2>And I think he does such a good job at

0:41:15.550 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 2>punching down on Chris Hansen, because that's a really nice thing,

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.820
<v Speaker 2>really easy thing to do in a biopic, is that

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:30.350
<v Speaker 2>he is essentially casting onto Chris Hansen the whole entirety

0:41:30.489 --> 0:41:35.250
<v Speaker 2>of a culture's sycophantic relationship with watching this show. A

0:41:37.030 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>culture's desire to watch predators get caught, and therefore Chris

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:49.050
<v Speaker 2>Hansen's obsession with catching predators is a kind of one-to-one

0:41:49.110 --> 0:41:53.620
<v Speaker 2>thing that Rob Patson beautifully portrays as vampiric.

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.420
<v Speaker 1>And, you know, Edward Cullen behavior.

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 2>And if you watch this film and your takeaway is

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.620
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, yeah, Chris Hansen was such a horrible guy. Like,

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.710
<v Speaker 2>you know, blah, blah, blah. It's like, The movie actually

0:42:06.050 --> 0:42:09.310
<v Speaker 2>isn't really about that. He was probably a horrible guy, yeah,

0:42:09.330 --> 0:42:11.270
<v Speaker 2>but the movie isn't really about that.

0:42:11.430 --> 0:42:14.209
<v Speaker 1>I don't think actually the movie is really about him.

0:42:14.230 --> 0:42:17.210
<v Speaker 1>I think the real protagonist of the movie is Skylar

0:42:17.230 --> 0:42:18.370
<v Speaker 1>Gisondo's character.

0:42:18.430 --> 0:42:18.850
<v Speaker 2>It is.

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>He plays Dan Plum, who is a stand-in for the

0:42:26.020 --> 0:42:32.380
<v Speaker 1>real-life decoy Dan Shrack, who was 21 at the time.

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 1>And I would say that this film is more his

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:42.590
<v Speaker 1>story than Chris Hansen's. I mean, even, spoiler alert, spoilers

0:42:42.660 --> 0:42:47.290
<v Speaker 1>obviously for the whole movie, ends with him receiving his

0:42:47.350 --> 0:42:50.450
<v Speaker 1>SAG card, which was the main thing that he wanted

0:42:50.610 --> 0:42:54.339
<v Speaker 1>out of this job, and does really hammer home the

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 1>idea that all of this It was never about protecting children.

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:03.030
<v Speaker 1>It was about creating good TV or at least entertaining TV.

0:43:03.090 --> 0:43:08.730
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even the TV executive who was played by

0:43:08.750 --> 0:43:12.900
<v Speaker 1>the real-life TV executive who works on the show at

0:43:12.940 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>this time.

0:43:13.660 --> 0:43:14.140
<v Speaker 2>Love that.

0:43:15.460 --> 0:43:18.460
<v Speaker 1>Says in the film that he doesn't like or get

0:43:18.580 --> 0:43:19.150
<v Speaker 1>the show, but.

0:43:20.940 --> 0:43:23.700
<v Speaker 1>The public loves it. And that is what leads to

0:43:23.780 --> 0:43:27.739
<v Speaker 1>it getting moved to prime time to compete against Lost,

0:43:27.890 --> 0:43:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the biggest show of the era.

0:43:30.070 --> 0:43:31.350
<v Speaker 2>I've never watched Lost. Have you?

0:43:31.750 --> 0:43:32.110
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:43:32.610 --> 0:43:35.950
<v Speaker 2>I honestly was thinking about watching it this winter. You should.

0:43:36.830 --> 0:43:38.190
<v Speaker 2>Just seasons one and two, right?

0:43:39.130 --> 0:43:40.250
<v Speaker 1>No, I would say it's good.

0:43:40.270 --> 0:43:41.489
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like.

0:43:41.969 --> 0:43:44.210
<v Speaker 1>Mostly good through the whole thing like a lot of

0:43:44.250 --> 0:43:46.690
<v Speaker 1>people are very unsatisfied with the way it ends but

0:43:46.830 --> 0:43:47.910
<v Speaker 1>i like i like the way it.

0:43:47.890 --> 0:43:49.910
<v Speaker 2>Ends people were like game of thrones about the ending

0:43:50.050 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>no it's not it's really not that bad okay good

0:43:52.420 --> 0:43:54.759
<v Speaker 2>to know and there's there's thrills and chills and twists

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and turns throughout the entirety and honestly thrills and chills

0:44:00.460 --> 0:44:04.420
<v Speaker 2>in prime time like i was riveted it is a

0:44:04.460 --> 0:44:08.350
<v Speaker 2>psychological thriller it's a psychological thriller it's like often horror

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.940
<v Speaker 2>It is horrific at times.

0:44:12.020 --> 0:44:16.220
<v Speaker 1>When the guy whips his dick out and starts spraying

0:44:16.260 --> 0:44:19.580
<v Speaker 1>whipped cream on it, I was like, am I watching

0:44:19.620 --> 0:44:20.660
<v Speaker 1>paranormal activity?

0:44:21.140 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 2>There's also, so in part of the kind of surrealist

0:44:24.180 --> 0:44:28.450
<v Speaker 2>take on Chris Hansen, which I think is loosely, Chris

0:44:28.469 --> 0:44:30.529
<v Speaker 2>Hansen denies that this is fact, but I think there's

0:44:30.570 --> 0:44:32.930
<v Speaker 2>alternate reporting that suggests that this actually happened, is that

0:44:34.130 --> 0:44:39.029
<v Speaker 2>Robert Pattinson is frequently shown reciting the text messages to

0:44:39.070 --> 0:44:43.170
<v Speaker 2>himself and figuring out how he's going to deliver the

0:44:44.010 --> 0:44:46.070
<v Speaker 2>kind of one of the most famous things about the show,

0:44:46.130 --> 0:44:49.810
<v Speaker 2>which is that he reads these disgusting chat messages to

0:44:50.110 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the predator. And, um, it is so it's, it seems

0:44:57.219 --> 0:44:58.140
<v Speaker 2>so sinister.

0:44:58.469 --> 0:45:02.720
<v Speaker 1>And I love that that's kind of, um, double clicked

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:08.230
<v Speaker 1>on when, um, Dan Plum asks Chris Hansen if his

0:45:08.410 --> 0:45:13.180
<v Speaker 1>bracelet is an acting totem. And Chris Hansen, Robert Pattinson

0:45:13.219 --> 0:45:16.580
<v Speaker 1>as Chris Hansen gets very serious and says, nothing I

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 1>do is acting.

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Can you?

0:45:20.460 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 1>But everything he did was acting.

0:45:22.540 --> 0:45:22.980
<v Speaker 2>Everything.

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.990
<v Speaker 1>It was like Tammy Brown, I'm acting.

0:45:26.510 --> 0:45:30.469
<v Speaker 2>I'm acting. Can you, I'm sorry, as a total aside,

0:45:30.570 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 2>can you imagine like Chris Hansen Like.

0:45:34.540 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Reading- Playing Zip Zap Zop.

0:45:38.650 --> 0:45:43.750
<v Speaker 2>That too. Zip, zap, zap. Can you imagine Chris Hansen

0:45:44.489 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 2>reading out loud truly any average like chat messages exchanged

0:45:50.660 --> 0:45:54.060
<v Speaker 2>between like your average like gay guy on a hookup app? Like,

0:45:54.100 --> 0:45:56.060
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like- Everyone we know would

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.140
<v Speaker 2>be in prison. Everyone we know would be in prison. Like,

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.899
<v Speaker 2>can you just imagine just like Chris Hansen being like,

0:46:01.530 --> 0:46:04.890
<v Speaker 2>I want to breed your gaping boy hole. Like, you

0:46:04.910 --> 0:46:08.730
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Like, imagining him kind of.

0:46:08.810 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Imagine if he got a hold of my roleplay negotiations.

0:46:13.180 --> 0:46:14.720
<v Speaker 1>If he knew about Alice.

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:21.299
<v Speaker 1>Not Alice. The fake girlfriend. That's for... Well, that's a

0:46:21.460 --> 0:46:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Patreon discussion. Paywall only.

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Paywall discussion.

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.140
<v Speaker 1>Patreon.com slash like a virgin.

0:46:27.430 --> 0:46:29.350
<v Speaker 2>But there is something kind of.

0:46:30.190 --> 0:46:30.310
<v Speaker 1>The.

0:46:31.620 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 2>chat messages has a recurring motif in the show itself

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:39.819
<v Speaker 2>and also in the movie was really, really interesting to

0:46:39.860 --> 0:46:44.810
<v Speaker 2>me because what it started to make me think about,

0:46:45.590 --> 0:46:48.030
<v Speaker 2>sorry to get into like the kind of heady stuff,

0:46:48.070 --> 0:46:55.210
<v Speaker 2>but like the way talking, a culture's obsession with predators,

0:46:55.870 --> 0:46:58.310
<v Speaker 2>which was like started into the 90s and reaching kind

0:46:58.330 --> 0:47:01.129
<v Speaker 2>of an apex when this show debuted in the early aughts,

0:47:02.110 --> 0:47:08.180
<v Speaker 2>turned into, quickly turned from, or went from talking about pedophiles,

0:47:08.219 --> 0:47:11.200
<v Speaker 2>talking about literal predators, talking about people that are harming children,

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:18.390
<v Speaker 2>and kind of compounding and conflating it with, sorry, pervs

0:47:18.450 --> 0:47:22.650
<v Speaker 2>in general, or anyone that has an expressed sexual desire,

0:47:22.989 --> 0:47:24.980
<v Speaker 2>anybody that....

0:47:25.830 --> 0:47:28.410
<v Speaker 1>A sort of non-normative sexual desire.

0:47:28.670 --> 0:47:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, like, or just like, gay and queer people in general. Yeah.

0:47:34.700 --> 0:47:36.899
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't see how that led to where

0:47:36.940 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>we are today as a culture, and let us be clear,

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 1>it is kind of crazy that we have to say this,

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.580
<v Speaker 1>but it's 2026. Pedophiles are bad.

0:47:47.940 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Pedophiles are bad. Hey, in case you're wondering, pedophiles are bad.

0:47:51.380 --> 0:47:52.100
<v Speaker 1>Pedophiles are bad.

0:47:52.460 --> 0:47:53.819
<v Speaker 2>And there's so many people that are going to try

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:55.500
<v Speaker 2>and review this movie that will need to say the

0:47:55.520 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>same thing because People that hate pedophiles are... They're not going... Like,

0:48:02.700 --> 0:48:05.910
<v Speaker 2>it's just... You cannot have any sort of ambiguity on

0:48:05.950 --> 0:48:09.350
<v Speaker 2>it if we watch the... If we've watched the Epstein

0:48:09.370 --> 0:48:12.370
<v Speaker 2>Fowl stuff go down, if you've watched this sociocultural attention

0:48:12.410 --> 0:48:14.470
<v Speaker 2>to the word groom, or if we've watched what happened

0:48:14.750 --> 0:48:19.109
<v Speaker 2>when Balenciaga had, like, fetish gear in the same frame as, like,

0:48:19.150 --> 0:48:21.330
<v Speaker 2>a child in that Christmas campaign, what have you.

0:48:21.550 --> 0:48:22.350
<v Speaker 1>And the teddy bears.

0:48:22.770 --> 0:48:24.870
<v Speaker 2>Oh, my God. There's just such a... Still want one.

0:48:24.989 --> 0:48:29.589
<v Speaker 2>There's a really, really bizarre... thing that happens when we

0:48:29.750 --> 0:48:36.870
<v Speaker 2>try to invoke conversation around predators and around pedophiles and

0:48:36.910 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I thought a bit about Blue Film a

0:48:40.820 --> 0:48:45.420
<v Speaker 2>extremely imperfect film that makes a barely there extremely imperfect

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.460
<v Speaker 2>argument about what it could look like to empathize with

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.740
<v Speaker 2>somebody who is like a pederast or empathize with somebody

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:58.629
<v Speaker 2>who is a pedophile a self-proclaimed pedophile Another really good

0:48:58.670 --> 0:49:02.830
<v Speaker 2>example of that is Todd Solanz's film Happiness, which is

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 2>a tough watch, but incredible. Or May December, right? I

0:49:09.700 --> 0:49:12.739
<v Speaker 2>don't know if we were being invited to empathize with

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.629
<v Speaker 2>Julianne Moore's character in that film.

0:49:15.070 --> 0:49:17.790
<v Speaker 1>We were certainly being asked to see her humanity.

0:49:18.270 --> 0:49:21.980
<v Speaker 2>And I think that is... I don't think primetime is

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>asking us to see the humanity of predators, which I

0:49:26.420 --> 0:49:30.670
<v Speaker 2>think actually is a hairy and imperfect thing to try

0:49:30.710 --> 0:49:32.710
<v Speaker 2>and do as many filmmakers have tried to do because

0:49:32.730 --> 0:49:35.259
<v Speaker 2>they want to do the most daring thing they can

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:37.240
<v Speaker 2>do in film, and what is it? Oh, we make

0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:38.950
<v Speaker 2>you empathize with a predator.

0:49:39.110 --> 0:49:43.310
<v Speaker 1>And it's something I actually think the Esquire article does

0:49:43.730 --> 0:49:48.590
<v Speaker 1>better than the film does, is make the real-life predator

0:49:48.690 --> 0:49:51.530
<v Speaker 1>that the story is based on feel more human.

0:49:52.090 --> 0:49:55.750
<v Speaker 2>Right. But what the film, I think, actually does venture

0:49:55.810 --> 0:50:01.450
<v Speaker 2>to do and is really good at showcasing is.

0:50:03.350 --> 0:50:08.890
<v Speaker 2>Showing us how the way we luxuriate in the spectacle

0:50:09.270 --> 0:50:13.750
<v Speaker 2>of To Catch a Predator is also a denial of

0:50:13.810 --> 0:50:18.170
<v Speaker 2>our own complicity, of our own perversion. Our own perversion

0:50:18.210 --> 0:50:21.710
<v Speaker 2>to watch the show in the sycophantic nature of watching

0:50:21.750 --> 0:50:25.339
<v Speaker 2>that show and how ugly it is, actually. Our own

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>personal desires that we might have, not for kids, but

0:50:29.540 --> 0:50:35.620
<v Speaker 2>just like, around sexting in general, as this entity would

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:42.509
<v Speaker 2>problematize sexting or things like it, or just our shame.

0:50:42.989 --> 0:50:45.029
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? One of the really good

0:50:45.130 --> 0:50:51.950
<v Speaker 1>points the article makes is that the real man at

0:50:51.989 --> 0:50:55.950
<v Speaker 1>the center of the story was a Texas assistant district

0:50:55.989 --> 0:50:59.410
<v Speaker 1>attorney named Bill Conradt. And one of the points the

0:50:59.469 --> 0:51:05.190
<v Speaker 1>article makes is when he was talking to perverted justice

0:51:05.930 --> 0:51:10.470
<v Speaker 1>and being lured into this trap, he was presenting himself

0:51:10.670 --> 0:51:16.510
<v Speaker 1>as a 19-year-old. And he obviously wasn't. So what the

0:51:16.590 --> 0:51:19.799
<v Speaker 1>journalist raises is could he not have believed that the

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 1>person he was talking to was also pretending to be

0:51:22.140 --> 0:51:26.410
<v Speaker 1>a 13-year-old? And that doesn't make that doesn't make his

0:51:26.489 --> 0:51:30.719
<v Speaker 1>desire acceptable because he's still like, it still is gross

0:51:30.940 --> 0:51:35.520
<v Speaker 1>and disgusting. And I think evil to fantasize about fucking

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:40.760
<v Speaker 1>a child. But it is, it does kind of make

0:51:40.860 --> 0:51:43.969
<v Speaker 1>everything a little murkier when you think about, you know,

0:51:44.010 --> 0:51:50.190
<v Speaker 1>the ways in which you yourself have engaged in chat,

0:51:50.690 --> 0:51:53.819
<v Speaker 1>which is, as you were saying before, you absolutely would

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 1>not want read aloud to you on TV, even if

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:58.339
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't as bad as that. Yeah.

0:51:58.900 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 2>And it'll, and I think the film also even complicates

0:52:04.350 --> 0:52:09.450
<v Speaker 2>our understanding of evil, the term evil, right? Because a

0:52:09.489 --> 0:52:14.790
<v Speaker 2>term that Chris Hansen uses often in real life and

0:52:14.830 --> 0:52:19.060
<v Speaker 2>in the movie and understanding that I think honestly, okay,

0:52:19.290 --> 0:52:24.690
<v Speaker 2>There's very sparing but brilliant use of Saddam Hussein and

0:52:25.570 --> 0:52:28.750
<v Speaker 2>images of Osama bin Laden in this kind of 9-11

0:52:29.050 --> 0:52:30.650
<v Speaker 2>era media.

0:52:30.770 --> 0:52:33.380
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, when you see their posters in the

0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:37.279
<v Speaker 1>police locker room, it's so perfect.

0:52:37.620 --> 0:52:40.940
<v Speaker 2>And I think it speaks to the groomers of the

0:52:40.980 --> 0:52:45.700
<v Speaker 2>current era. It speaks to the Epstein Files cultural obsession

0:52:45.739 --> 0:52:48.569
<v Speaker 2>of the current era that we as a culture will

0:52:48.870 --> 0:52:54.469
<v Speaker 2>always look for a boogeyman. We'll always look for an

0:52:54.630 --> 0:52:57.170
<v Speaker 2>amorphous evil entity.

0:52:58.330 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Because we are a punitive carceral culture.

0:53:01.900 --> 0:53:06.780
<v Speaker 2>And because of the sycophantic nature of our obsession with

0:53:07.140 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 2>a boogeyman, our obsession with like, you know, something we've

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 2>deemed evil in opposition to good. We, we're led to

0:53:17.700 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>believe that if vanquished, we'll experience the sweet catharsis of

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:23.900
<v Speaker 2>being good.

0:53:24.140 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 1>But the fact is, in the reality of To Catch

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:36.710
<v Speaker 1>a Predator, these predators, the evil was never vanquished. In fact,

0:53:37.950 --> 0:53:43.050
<v Speaker 1>none of the men in Texas where To Catch a Predator,

0:53:43.690 --> 0:53:49.219
<v Speaker 1>where they filmed... several episodes of the show, including the

0:53:49.380 --> 0:53:54.720
<v Speaker 1>one about Conrad's death, none of the men who were

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 1>arrested by Texas police were actually prosecuted because all of

0:53:59.180 --> 0:54:04.310
<v Speaker 1>the arrests were illegal for a number of reasons. First

0:54:04.350 --> 0:54:08.910
<v Speaker 1>of all, it's quoted in the article, in order to

0:54:08.969 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 1>pursue an online solicitation of a minor charge, you've got

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.380
<v Speaker 1>to prove that either the suspect or the victim in

0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.509
<v Speaker 1>the case was physically present in the county where the

0:54:17.590 --> 0:54:20.779
<v Speaker 1>crime was committed, and it wasn't possible to prove that.

0:54:21.380 --> 0:54:30.020
<v Speaker 1>And then also, because they had to, there was no

0:54:30.180 --> 0:54:33.660
<v Speaker 1>proof that could be made that the police had done

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:39.140
<v Speaker 1>their own investigation leading to these arrests. The district attorney,

0:54:39.180 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 1>John Roach, said at the time, the Murphy Police Department

0:54:43.739 --> 0:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>was merely a player in the show and had no

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 1>real law enforcement position. Other people were doing the work

0:54:49.860 --> 0:54:52.980
<v Speaker 1>and the police are just like potted plants to make

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:57.930
<v Speaker 1>the scenery. And in 2007, seven months after the end

0:54:57.969 --> 0:55:01.239
<v Speaker 1>of the sting operation, three months after Dateline airs the

0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:04.250
<v Speaker 1>relevant episode of To Catch a Predator, the district attorney's

0:55:04.330 --> 0:55:08.350
<v Speaker 1>office announces that it has decided not to pursue indictments

0:55:08.469 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 1>for any of the suspect's Murphy police arrested outside the

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 1>decoy house. And this was something that frequently happened with

0:55:16.260 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 1>to catch a predator because it was again, not about

0:55:21.700 --> 0:55:27.469
<v Speaker 1>actually punishing these men in a way that would better society.

0:55:27.650 --> 0:55:31.529
<v Speaker 1>It was not about protecting real children from harm. And

0:55:31.570 --> 0:55:35.890
<v Speaker 1>there are children who are preyed upon every day. It

0:55:35.950 --> 0:55:40.800
<v Speaker 1>was about creating entertainment, creating a public spectacle. There's a

0:55:40.890 --> 0:55:45.450
<v Speaker 1>reason why in this film, um, Chris Hansen's character talks

0:55:45.530 --> 0:55:48.830
<v Speaker 1>about the idea of like the, the medieval village and

0:55:48.870 --> 0:55:53.780
<v Speaker 1>the pillory and people being publicly whipped. Um, and, or

0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:56.819
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the, the, um, the, he talks about

0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that with the person on the plane who actually, I

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.050
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you, if you noticed it was, uh,

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:05.140
<v Speaker 1>Creed from the office, uh, which is so perfect role

0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:10.290
<v Speaker 1>for him. So perfect. Um, it was about, us wanting

0:56:11.130 --> 0:56:13.630
<v Speaker 1>really what the people who watched to catch a predator

0:56:13.670 --> 0:56:17.140
<v Speaker 1>wanted was to feel better about the fact that this

0:56:17.180 --> 0:56:19.879
<v Speaker 1>stuff happens in the world. They have no power over

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:22.739
<v Speaker 1>it and they're not doing anything to stop it at

0:56:22.780 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 1>a systemic label. So they want the emotional catharsis of

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:30.820
<v Speaker 1>seeing someone be fucking humiliated and then tackled by a

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:34.890
<v Speaker 1>bunch of cops on TV. Even if that person is

0:56:34.969 --> 0:56:40.510
<v Speaker 1>then free to potentially actually harm the actual children. Because remember,

0:56:41.310 --> 0:56:44.089
<v Speaker 1>none of these people, none of the people they were

0:56:44.110 --> 0:56:45.430
<v Speaker 1>talking to were actually children.

0:56:46.130 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, literally. It really was kind of catch and release

0:56:49.739 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 2>a predator.

0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And we are, again, we are not sympathizing with these

0:56:56.340 --> 0:57:01.090
<v Speaker 1>people who engaged with who they thought were children. But

0:57:01.110 --> 0:57:06.510
<v Speaker 1>I can kind of empathize with the humanity of people

0:57:06.650 --> 0:57:11.900
<v Speaker 1>who were made to be insidiously entrapped, who were insidiously

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:15.840
<v Speaker 1>entrapped to the point that one of them killed himself.

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Literally like literally. I think that that's why the ending

0:57:20.380 --> 0:57:23.620
<v Speaker 2>of the film is so brilliant. It like, it, it

0:57:23.700 --> 0:57:30.100
<v Speaker 2>doesn't say, Hey, like empathize with pedophiles. It's, it says, Oh,

0:57:30.860 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 2>do you like, do you not see that this show

0:57:34.620 --> 0:57:35.940
<v Speaker 2>involved real humans?

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:36.460
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:57:36.540 --> 0:57:39.050
<v Speaker 2>And like, this is not a, this is not a

0:57:39.110 --> 0:57:41.930
<v Speaker 2>scripted entertainment. I mean, it was very script, but you

0:57:41.950 --> 0:57:45.330
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? It's like, it is, it was

0:57:45.450 --> 0:57:48.690
<v Speaker 2>so brilliantly kind of balanced in a way that I

0:57:48.730 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 2>did not expect. Cause I actually thought that it was

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:55.500
<v Speaker 2>going to go much deeper in trying to make us

0:57:55.580 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 2>empathize with pedophiles. I thought that that I was like,

0:57:57.880 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 2>that's just kind of what I think is going to happen.

0:57:59.700 --> 0:58:02.980
<v Speaker 2>And it really didn't do that. It implicated us as

0:58:03.020 --> 0:58:06.500
<v Speaker 2>a culture, which I think was the, is the much more,

0:58:07.010 --> 0:58:08.030
<v Speaker 2>salient thing to say.

0:58:08.340 --> 0:58:13.700
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Because the article itself is much more about the

0:58:13.740 --> 0:58:18.680
<v Speaker 1>police's incompetence in this case. And I think the movie

0:58:18.780 --> 0:58:23.100
<v Speaker 1>skews more on laying the fault at the feet of

0:58:23.260 --> 0:58:28.300
<v Speaker 1>Chris Hansen, at the producer character who is an amalgamation

0:58:28.340 --> 0:58:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of a couple different producers who actually worked on the show,

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 1>played brilliantly by Merritt Weaver, who We'll be securing an

0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:40.300
<v Speaker 1>Oscar nomination. You think? A nomination for sure.

0:58:40.820 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Robbie deserves the Oscar. I know that we

0:58:44.180 --> 0:58:49.390
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't pit men against each other, but I love that

0:58:49.450 --> 0:58:52.050
<v Speaker 2>Digger is getting really negative reviews right now.

0:58:52.750 --> 0:58:54.990
<v Speaker 1>It's apparently going to be the biggest flop of the year,

0:58:55.110 --> 0:58:56.669
<v Speaker 1>but I'll still be there opening day.

0:58:57.150 --> 0:59:01.810
<v Speaker 2>I love... I would love it if Robbie fucking.

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:04.390
<v Speaker 1>I like that you call him Robbie.

0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:08.450
<v Speaker 2>Robbie. I would love for Robbie to really fucking own

0:59:08.510 --> 0:59:09.930
<v Speaker 2>his ass on this Oscar campaign.

0:59:10.950 --> 0:59:14.270
<v Speaker 1>I think this is his best performance to date. Easily.

0:59:14.290 --> 0:59:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And in an incredibly stacked year, already this year, he's

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 1>done the drama, the Odyssey, this, and then we still

0:59:22.980 --> 0:59:28.770
<v Speaker 1>have Dune 3, in which he's, I believe, the secondary antagonist. Right. I.

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.620
<v Speaker 2>don't watch the dunes. I actually, now I might have

0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:36.140
<v Speaker 2>to start watching it because of Robbie. Um, I don't

0:59:36.180 --> 0:59:37.800
<v Speaker 2>care about the drama, but do you, would you, could

0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you rank if you were to preemptively rank the dune,

0:59:41.180 --> 0:59:42.140
<v Speaker 2>his dune performance?

0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to, I'm going to leave dune out

0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:45.939
<v Speaker 1>of it, but of the films he's already done this year,

0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:50.660
<v Speaker 1>last place for me is the drama. Okay. I, and

0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.980
<v Speaker 1>I'm basing this on his performance, not the film itself. Yes, yes, yes.

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 1>The drama is last. And that one is kind of,

0:59:56.780 --> 0:59:59.700
<v Speaker 1>I'm skewing just cause I didn't love that movie. Um,

1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.780
<v Speaker 1>Then the Odyssey, because as good as he is, he's

1:00:02.820 --> 1:00:05.720
<v Speaker 1>just not in a lot of it. And also he's.

1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:08.340
<v Speaker 2>In a slightly different movie than the rest of the,

1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

1:00:10.230 --> 1:00:13.190
<v Speaker 1>But then this is, I think, his best performance of

1:00:13.230 --> 1:00:15.330
<v Speaker 1>the year. And I imagine once Dune 3 comes out,

1:00:15.370 --> 1:00:17.670
<v Speaker 1>that will still be true because like, that's just going

1:00:17.690 --> 1:00:19.430
<v Speaker 1>to be a different thing. He's going to be playing

1:00:19.450 --> 1:00:24.030
<v Speaker 1>like a very heightened, you know, sci-fi villain character. And

1:00:24.070 --> 1:00:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I imagine that this is just like, going to still

1:00:27.660 --> 1:00:32.620
<v Speaker 1>stand up as a more nuanced layered performance. As everyone

1:00:32.660 --> 1:00:35.820
<v Speaker 1>in this movie gave like Skylar Gisondo was kind of

1:00:35.860 --> 1:00:39.690
<v Speaker 1>a revelation to me as was Phoebe Bridgers. Girl Phoebe.

1:00:40.110 --> 1:00:43.070
<v Speaker 1>Who knew she could act. The girl.

1:00:43.490 --> 1:00:48.710
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Virgins in this film, Phoebe plays both the boy

1:00:48.750 --> 1:00:50.730
<v Speaker 2>decoys and girl decoys.

1:00:50.790 --> 1:00:53.250
<v Speaker 1>They're not the canonically non-binary decoy.

1:00:53.710 --> 1:00:58.890
<v Speaker 2>It's, She's so fucking good. She has so few moments,

1:00:59.690 --> 1:01:01.150
<v Speaker 2>scenes to like- But more.

1:01:01.070 --> 1:01:02.610
<v Speaker 1>Than I thought she would. I thought she was going

1:01:02.630 --> 1:01:05.070
<v Speaker 1>to be kind of a glorified cameo, but she has

1:01:05.650 --> 1:01:06.190
<v Speaker 1>meaty scenes.

1:01:06.250 --> 1:01:07.970
<v Speaker 2>She's a significant role.

1:01:08.410 --> 1:01:13.060
<v Speaker 1>She's like in the top four actors build in this movie. Girl,

1:01:13.300 --> 1:01:16.820
<v Speaker 1>she's so good. And she does so much with not

1:01:16.860 --> 1:01:17.300
<v Speaker 1>that much.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

1:01:18.700 --> 1:01:21.000
<v Speaker 1>But like what she does is so effective.

1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:21.700
<v Speaker 2>So much.

1:01:22.100 --> 1:01:25.470
<v Speaker 1>Like the scene where she's, so angry about the the

1:01:25.570 --> 1:01:29.010
<v Speaker 1>merch they're selling which is like you know making like

1:01:29.030 --> 1:01:32.470
<v Speaker 1>a um a a pair of like a thong that

1:01:32.550 --> 1:01:35.350
<v Speaker 1>says you know like i've been inspected and i'm over

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<v Speaker 1>18 yeah contents over age disgusting um or you know

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<v Speaker 1>when she like at the end as they're going to

1:01:43.740 --> 1:01:49.060
<v Speaker 1>you know raid the the predator's house and she splits

1:01:49.220 --> 1:01:50.980
<v Speaker 1>off from the rest of the crew. And we have

1:01:51.020 --> 1:01:55.860
<v Speaker 1>that moment between her and Skylar Gisondo's character where clearly

1:01:55.920 --> 1:01:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like we see her taking the highest road possible in

1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:03.570
<v Speaker 1>the circumstances by not being part of that, you know,

1:02:03.740 --> 1:02:05.330
<v Speaker 1>absolute miscarriage of justice.

1:02:06.930 --> 1:02:13.370
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's just really effective. I, your boyfriend is

1:02:13.430 --> 1:02:14.070
<v Speaker 2>also in this.

1:02:15.410 --> 1:02:15.830
<v Speaker 1>My boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Eric Rahil.

1:02:18.060 --> 1:02:22.620
<v Speaker 1>Oh my God. The boyfriend from Maddie's Secret who turns

1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:25.080
<v Speaker 1>up shirtless. Thank God.

1:02:25.100 --> 1:02:26.580
<v Speaker 2>I think his first scene is shirtless.

1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:32.890
<v Speaker 1>His first scene is shirtless. He plays Dan Plum's actor friend.

1:02:33.470 --> 1:02:41.770
<v Speaker 1>And there is this very, very fundamentally early 2000s, no homo,

1:02:41.890 --> 1:02:46.610
<v Speaker 1>homoeroticism between them where it's, very clear that this guy

1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:51.080
<v Speaker 1>wants to fuck this little twink like he's constantly like

1:02:51.180 --> 1:02:54.419
<v Speaker 1>sexualizing their interactions and like asking him if he's jerked

1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.880
<v Speaker 1>off in his hotel room but then also like nagging

1:02:56.940 --> 1:03:00.940
<v Speaker 1>him and telling him he's not a real actor just

1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:05.840
<v Speaker 1>like another really good kind of archetype of the culture

1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that was swirling around to catch a predator in the

1:03:08.740 --> 1:03:09.960
<v Speaker 1>early 2000s.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I like thought that these little seeds pardon my

1:03:14.190 --> 1:03:17.540
<v Speaker 2>pun of no homo homo eroticism were going to be

1:03:17.580 --> 1:03:21.940
<v Speaker 2>like kind of plotted, but they actually weren't plot indicative.

1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:28.730
<v Speaker 2>They were like textural to help us understand like Skylar

1:03:29.290 --> 1:03:34.310
<v Speaker 2>as a perfect twink in the culture being sexualized by

1:03:34.330 --> 1:03:42.740
<v Speaker 2>people around him in a way that's sycophantic. And in

1:03:42.780 --> 1:03:45.240
<v Speaker 2>a way, and also, yeah, and also as a texture

1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:48.260
<v Speaker 2>for the early aughts culture, which was also like the

1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:51.940
<v Speaker 2>setting was so well done, like the fruit roll up,

1:03:52.620 --> 1:03:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the nine inch nails t-shirt.

1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, that was so funny. He's like, what's nin?

1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:03.000
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, somebody lock this girl up. She's

1:04:03.020 --> 1:04:07.740
<v Speaker 1>got nine inch nails. Something, a scene I also been

1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:15.600
<v Speaker 1>thinking about a lot is, so the, The character Xavier,

1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:19.720
<v Speaker 1>who is based on the real-life founder of perverted justice,

1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:24.230
<v Speaker 1>he is the one who goes out looking for these

1:04:24.630 --> 1:04:29.310
<v Speaker 1>pedophiles and lures them in pretending to be teenagers. And

1:04:30.350 --> 1:04:33.650
<v Speaker 1>Chris Hansen and the producer played by Merritt Weaver kind

1:04:33.690 --> 1:04:37.040
<v Speaker 1>of write off his claims that he's found a big

1:04:37.180 --> 1:04:42.090
<v Speaker 1>fish because it doesn't seem doable. And then after receiving

1:04:42.170 --> 1:04:45.430
<v Speaker 1>pressure from the network, Hansen goes to his room in

1:04:45.450 --> 1:04:47.430
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night to tell him to actually

1:04:47.450 --> 1:04:51.430
<v Speaker 1>go after him. And this guy has to take a

1:04:51.450 --> 1:04:53.750
<v Speaker 1>minute to open the door. And it's very clear that

1:04:53.810 --> 1:04:56.610
<v Speaker 1>he was like jerking off. And so I thought that

1:04:56.650 --> 1:05:01.010
<v Speaker 1>was like really interesting showing that this man who is

1:05:01.240 --> 1:05:05.930
<v Speaker 1>like this crusader trying to catch pervs. Like, is himself

1:05:06.190 --> 1:05:09.190
<v Speaker 1>engaging in sexual behavior that he doesn't want anyone to

1:05:09.430 --> 1:05:10.370
<v Speaker 1>see or know about?

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<v Speaker 2>That many people who watch To Catch a Predator would

1:05:14.250 --> 1:05:18.750
<v Speaker 2>want to indict. Because the same people that, you know.

1:05:18.770 --> 1:05:18.930
<v Speaker 1>Have.

1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:26.860
<v Speaker 2>A mania around accusing everyone and their mother of being

1:05:26.900 --> 1:05:29.300
<v Speaker 2>a pedophile... Are the same people that think that.

1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Are pedophiles? Yeah, that too.

1:05:31.140 --> 1:05:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And also the same people that think that like pornography

1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:37.080
<v Speaker 2>should be illegal or that it's like, you know, the

1:05:37.260 --> 1:05:38.180
<v Speaker 2>drug of the devil.

1:05:38.340 --> 1:05:41.710
<v Speaker 1>Well, according to you, only anal pornography.

1:05:41.090 --> 1:05:44.110
<v Speaker 2>Should be illegal. Because it's not right. It's against God's plan.

1:05:44.270 --> 1:05:46.730
<v Speaker 2>It is against God's plan. And I'm always saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a joke, virgins. Just FYI.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly... There was also.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we have to kind of wrap out this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're over time. But I was just... There's

1:06:00.640 --> 1:06:03.740
<v Speaker 2>so many other things that I felt like the film

1:06:03.780 --> 1:06:07.320
<v Speaker 2>made me want to dig into about this era and

1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:13.210
<v Speaker 2>the relatively new emergence of the term predator. How predator

1:06:13.470 --> 1:06:16.870
<v Speaker 2>as a term in the culture was just a little

1:06:16.930 --> 1:06:21.150
<v Speaker 2>over a decade old when this show aired and how our.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say in like the early aughts, let

1:06:26.030 --> 1:06:31.270
<v Speaker 2>me just Google really in maybe like in 2009, there

1:06:31.310 --> 1:06:36.680
<v Speaker 2>were tons of like sexting prosecutions where in teen, like

1:06:36.780 --> 1:06:42.940
<v Speaker 2>teenagers were charged with like sex offense charges because they

1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:47.700
<v Speaker 2>were making child pornography by taking sexual pictures of themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And girl, there's somebody that's way smarter than me that

1:06:50.550 --> 1:06:53.840
<v Speaker 2>could like, talk about this in depth but i think

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<v Speaker 2>there is something to be said about how um uh

1:06:58.590 --> 1:07:05.490
<v Speaker 2>architecture created to protect children then eventually becoming so snake

1:07:05.530 --> 1:07:10.010
<v Speaker 2>eating its own tail that it's used against children absolutely

1:07:10.030 --> 1:07:13.450
<v Speaker 2>and and all it says something about just the completely

1:07:13.510 --> 1:07:19.920
<v Speaker 2>paradoxical way that um thinking the sycophantic thinking around catching

1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:25.090
<v Speaker 2>a predator, catching a predator ends up becoming something entirely different. Yeah.

1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:29.190
<v Speaker 1>It's all ego. And it's just so this film is

1:07:29.430 --> 1:07:32.370
<v Speaker 1>so the time that we're in now is so ripe

1:07:32.510 --> 1:07:36.370
<v Speaker 1>for a reexamination of this because this sowed so many

1:07:36.410 --> 1:07:42.370
<v Speaker 1>of the seeds that have blossomed, unfortunately into our contemporary culture.

1:07:42.750 --> 1:07:45.590
<v Speaker 1>You know, Chris Hansen is still doing the same old bullshit.

1:07:45.990 --> 1:07:49.280
<v Speaker 1>He pivoted to YouTube. He has his own streaming service

1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:54.140
<v Speaker 1>called True Blue. If you want a more in-depth look

1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:59.420
<v Speaker 1>at Chris Hansen's post to Catch a Predator career, I

1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:04.000
<v Speaker 1>would highly recommend watching my friend Kat Tenbarge's video essay,

1:08:04.420 --> 1:08:07.990
<v Speaker 1>Chris Hansen Was Never the Hero, in which she and

1:08:08.050 --> 1:08:13.910
<v Speaker 1>another reporter, both of whom have had journalistic interactions with Hansen,

1:08:15.030 --> 1:08:20.080
<v Speaker 1>talk about him. give a lot more context to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the, the media implications of, of who he was

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<v Speaker 1>and what he did to our culture at large. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just like, I love this movie as a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of art. And then I also, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think just as equally as a piece of social

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<v Speaker 1>and political commentary, which is, I think very unusual in

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<v Speaker 1>a film for, for it to be, As good at

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<v Speaker 1>being one as it is as the other. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I think Lance Oppenheim coming from a documentary doc,

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary, documentary, a documentary background is the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>this film works so much and, and why I think

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<v Speaker 1>it would not have worked as well in another director's hands.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Also there's construction in the background of my fucking podcast session.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sorry to the virgins if you're hearing the

1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:20.310
<v Speaker 2>bleeping outside. But yeah, I'm, I'm, I am interested to

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<v Speaker 2>see about what will, what Chris, what will happen to

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hansen in the culture currently, because he's someone actually

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<v Speaker 2>that no one was paying attention to. And now a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people are going to start paying more attention

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<v Speaker 2>to the real Chris Hansen, who mind you has like

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<v Speaker 2>launch and kind of embezzled multiple kind of crowdfunding situations

1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:42.020
<v Speaker 2>where he promised he was going to make a new show.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the new show never happened. And people are

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<v Speaker 2>like on his Kickstarter being like, where's my to catch

1:09:47.770 --> 1:09:50.130
<v Speaker 2>a predator hat that you promised me when also aren't you,

1:09:50.750 --> 1:09:51.850
<v Speaker 2>are you going to make a new show or what?

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<v Speaker 2>And he keeps like, he keeps like launching and sunsetting

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<v Speaker 2>things in like a super duper kind of scammer way.

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<v Speaker 1>Um, but I was actually surprised to find out that

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<v Speaker 1>he has not been adopted as sort of like a,

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<v Speaker 1>a right wing. Yes. Hero. And I actually think that

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<v Speaker 1>might be the outcome of this film. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>like pivots to sort of like Erica Kirk vibes. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, something that I'll also say is Chris Hansen

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<v Speaker 2>has since seen the film and commented on it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like he is low-key in some

1:10:22.970 --> 1:10:26.970
<v Speaker 2>ways going to the Anna Wintour school of how to

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<v Speaker 2>promote a movie that is denigrating your character. He's kind

1:10:30.729 --> 1:10:34.530
<v Speaker 2>of being like, Robert Pattinson has been very nice to me,

1:10:35.140 --> 1:10:37.780
<v Speaker 2>great performance, but a lot of it is not true,

1:10:37.820 --> 1:10:40.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it is not true. He's towing the

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<v Speaker 2>line of, he's definitely not promoting the film, he's saying

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<v Speaker 2>that it's all made up, But he's also kind of

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<v Speaker 2>being like, oh, but the filmmaking and like he's both sides.

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<v Speaker 1>All press is good press, honey. And he knows that.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows that this is good for him. And also

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<v Speaker 2>he knows that he benefits from aligning himself with Robert Pattinson,

1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:06.280
<v Speaker 2>aligning himself with Hollywood. So he is, to me, currently,

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<v Speaker 2>even though not hired by A24, for sure an extension

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<v Speaker 2>of the marketing himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely. And if we know anything about culture is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's all marketing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, baby. Not that I would know anything about marketing. Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a recommendation that we can polish off this

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<v Speaker 2>episode with for the versions? We often recommend things on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. We're toying with the format and we're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about putting our recommendations at the end. of the episode

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<v Speaker 2>so that it's something that you can look forward to. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you pick, Rose. I have two different things

1:11:46.430 --> 1:11:47.940
<v Speaker 2>I could talk about. I want you to pick one.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Coyote vs. Acme, and I also saw The

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<v Speaker 2>End of Oak Street, the Anne Hathaway dinosaur film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you did?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I wouldn't recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't love it. I think it's worth streaming

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<v Speaker 1>on HBO Max, but... I feel like it's barely worth streaming. Barely.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like chat GPT Steven Spielberg.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some genuinely scary sequences with the dinosaurs, like

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<v Speaker 1>the big snake dinosaur in the house. I actually found

1:12:19.970 --> 1:12:24.850
<v Speaker 1>that pretty tense, but I thought the dinosaur design was

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<v Speaker 1>really disappointing, and I also just wish it had had

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<v Speaker 1>an unhappy ending. Like, I want a movie that truly...

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<v Speaker 1>I want a true dinosaur horror movie in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that we've never really gotten as a culture. This was

1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:43.220
<v Speaker 1>kind of trying to be that, but also trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be too family-friendly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So confusing. Because a lot of the tone of the

1:12:50.430 --> 1:12:56.870
<v Speaker 2>film is Spielbergian, family-friendly, and then really.

1:12:59.330 --> 1:13:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Random instances of like super duper violence and, and, and

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<v Speaker 2>like not necessarily like slash or gore, but blood and dismemberment. Um,

1:13:09.670 --> 1:13:12.530
<v Speaker 2>and that to me was really surprising because I would

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<v Speaker 2>have loved the it's Jurassic park, but rated our take. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that to me would have been an amazing movie.

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<v Speaker 1>We still need that movie. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And they even used the same fucking visual effects, like,

1:13:24.820 --> 1:13:28.840
<v Speaker 2>team as, like, Jurassic Park. So I thought the effects, like,

1:13:28.880 --> 1:13:32.660
<v Speaker 2>looked really great. But, um, for the most part. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just, I really wish it had just gone all

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<v Speaker 2>the way in being the violent dinosaur movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not think the effects looked good. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>all the dinosaurs essentially looked the same, but at different sizes. I, my, my.

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<v Speaker 2>complete my hypothesis based on nothing is that if they

1:13:51.430 --> 1:13:55.019
<v Speaker 2>did get the visual effects team from Jurassic Park I

1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:59.540
<v Speaker 2>think that vendor had a financial ceiling that could not

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<v Speaker 2>be met like I think they were like we could

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<v Speaker 2>afford this much visual effects and I think that the

1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:07.460
<v Speaker 2>visual effects artists were like girl that is like one

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<v Speaker 2>fifth of what you should pay for and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's part of why there were very few dinosaur showdowns.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the movie was giving budget.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a really cool dinosaur would appear and

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<v Speaker 2>then it would kind of wander off screen for five seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>like after five to 11 seconds. And you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>be like, wait, but I want to fight with that dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see something, like I want a big

1:14:31.189 --> 1:14:33.330
<v Speaker 2>set piece with that dinosaur. But it felt like maybe

1:14:33.650 --> 1:14:36.590
<v Speaker 2>they could only afford so many dinosaur set pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. And it was just kind of crazy that

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<v Speaker 1>you have Anne Hathaway shooting a T-Rex and like thinking

1:14:41.580 --> 1:14:42.720
<v Speaker 1>that's going to do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Who, by the way, was giving Shakespearean acting in

1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:49.160
<v Speaker 2>this film. She sold every single second of this movie.

1:14:49.220 --> 1:14:52.290
<v Speaker 2>And sorry, Ewan McGregor, our homegirl, was phoning it in.

1:14:52.410 --> 1:14:55.630
<v Speaker 2>He was there for the paycheck. He was a fucking,

1:14:55.750 --> 1:14:56.090
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wanted him, spoiler alert, to actually die at

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<v Speaker 1>the end. Yeah. I wanted a bleaker, darker ending. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the film would have been much better for

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<v Speaker 1>having one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, my one recommendation I'm going to give... Should I pick? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you pick?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I will save... There's two of these that I

1:15:19.320 --> 1:15:21.900
<v Speaker 2>will save for another day. I actually do want to

1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:23.220
<v Speaker 2>know about the love hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I watched the... That actually is the one I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to pick.

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<v Speaker 3>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I do think we should talk about East of

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<v Speaker 1>Eden if you're planning on watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. And also, we're going to see Paranormal Activity,

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<v Speaker 2>so we should discuss that in a Paranormal Activity recap.

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<v Speaker 1>East of Eden is so good. You should watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll talk about it more in a later episode. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>The Love Hypothesis is this new Amazon romantic comedy based

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<v Speaker 1>on a book that is Raylo fan fiction. What's Raylo?

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<v Speaker 1>Raylo is Kylo Ren, Adam Driver, and Daisy Ridley's Rey.

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<v Speaker 1>Raylo is their fanfic ship name. And the book is

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<v Speaker 1>like Fifty Shades of Grey-esque fanfiction with the serial numbers

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<v Speaker 1>filed off. What? It was a huge, huge best-selling novel

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<v Speaker 1>about a Stanford doctoral student who starts fake dating one

1:16:29.340 --> 1:16:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of the professors at Stanford for reasons. The book I

1:16:37.500 --> 1:16:42.519
<v Speaker 1>read because I was bored. It's like very horny. The

1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:44.600
<v Speaker 1>movie is much less horny than the book is. The

1:16:44.640 --> 1:16:47.880
<v Speaker 1>movie stars Lily Reinhart. And the reason why this movie

1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:53.710
<v Speaker 1>works is mostly because of her. She's so charming. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>between the love hypothesis and the horror film Forbidden Fruits

1:16:59.030 --> 1:17:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that she was in recently, I'm buying stock in Lily Reinhart.

1:17:02.610 --> 1:17:05.210
<v Speaker 1>I think she's actually an amazing actress. She is.

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<v Speaker 2>And bicon.

1:17:06.810 --> 1:17:10.030
<v Speaker 1>Bicon. Huge bicon. And also this film is elevated by

1:17:10.070 --> 1:17:12.910
<v Speaker 1>the side characters who are kind of like better than

1:17:13.050 --> 1:17:15.280
<v Speaker 1>they have any right to be. One of them is

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<v Speaker 1>played by Jaboukie Young-White. Love. Who's really good. The love

1:17:21.540 --> 1:17:25.560
<v Speaker 1>interest in this has the palest lips I've ever seen.

1:17:26.080 --> 1:17:30.550
<v Speaker 1>It's really spooky, but this is clock this gag, mama. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, this is based on Raylo fanfiction. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the characters who is part of Raylo was

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<v Speaker 1>played by Daisy Ridley. Daisy Ridley is married to the

1:17:46.530 --> 1:17:51.300
<v Speaker 1>guy who plays the love interest in this movie. What?

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<v Speaker 1>He is starring in the movie adaptation of fanfiction written

1:17:56.420 --> 1:17:59.900
<v Speaker 1>about his wife. Isn't that crazy?

1:17:59.920 --> 1:18:00.000
<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What? And I have to imagine that's part of why

1:18:05.050 --> 1:18:05.730
<v Speaker 1>he got the role.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was just about to say. That's absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>part of why he got the role.

1:18:09.550 --> 1:18:09.850
<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think he knew when he agreed? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he knew when he agreed to it.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. I'm sure his agent was like, I know

1:18:15.390 --> 1:18:19.130
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of weird, but this is why you're getting

1:18:19.150 --> 1:18:22.010
<v Speaker 1>the part. You want the paycheck. What?

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<v Speaker 2>This guy was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's not the only reason he was cast,

1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:29.320
<v Speaker 1>but I know some executive was like, we have to...

1:18:30.170 --> 1:18:34.290
<v Speaker 1>take any additional metric for success we can get. And

1:18:34.370 --> 1:18:37.540
<v Speaker 1>this will create conversation online. And it absolutely did.

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<v Speaker 2>This dude, Tom Bateman, was in a series called Behind

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<v Speaker 2>Her Eyes that last night was summarized to me by

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<v Speaker 2>Julio and James. And girl, I can't even spoil it

1:18:48.729 --> 1:18:49.970
<v Speaker 2>for you. It's one of the most psychotic things that

1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:52.320
<v Speaker 2>ever heard in my entire life I think you kind

1:18:52.340 --> 1:18:53.380
<v Speaker 2>of have to watch it because I.

1:18:53.460 --> 1:18:57.060
<v Speaker 1>Would actually prefer if you told Julio and James to

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<v Speaker 1>send me a voice note explaining it to me in

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<v Speaker 1>a similar way that they did for you.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so good at summarizing it I also just speaking

1:19:04.470 --> 1:19:07.570
<v Speaker 2>of summaries love Hypothesis the fact that it is like

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<v Speaker 2>I was just reading the logline. After an impulsive kiss,

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<v Speaker 2>two scientists end up. Like, Lily Reinhart as a scientist

1:19:18.250 --> 1:19:19.770
<v Speaker 2>is brilliant.

1:19:19.790 --> 1:19:23.210
<v Speaker 1>No, she's actually pretty believable. Love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she holding, like, beakers and vials? She's holding beakers

1:19:29.050 --> 1:19:30.340
<v Speaker 2>and vials. She's wearing goggles.

1:19:30.490 --> 1:19:34.740
<v Speaker 1>She's wearing goggles. She has lab rats that she's engaging with.

1:19:35.100 --> 1:19:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Does she have a lab coat?

1:19:36.300 --> 1:19:39.960
<v Speaker 1>She does have a lab coat. She talks about memorizing

1:19:40.020 --> 1:19:43.340
<v Speaker 1>the periodic table for fun. Right, this is what scientists do.

1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:45.580
<v Speaker 1>She has a plot significant dead mother.

1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:48.620
<v Speaker 2>Right, this is what scientists do. They wear lab coats

1:19:48.880 --> 1:19:50.479
<v Speaker 2>and they play with vials and rats.

1:19:51.290 --> 1:19:55.170
<v Speaker 1>They have really bad nutrition. She's always eating like sugary

1:19:55.330 --> 1:19:59.530
<v Speaker 1>snacks and drinking sugary coffee drinks. She's so quirky.

1:19:59.570 --> 1:20:04.800
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing crazier than a beautiful, hot, skinny woman eating snacks.

1:20:05.100 --> 1:20:07.340
<v Speaker 1>The craziest thing she does is that she wears a

1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:10.420
<v Speaker 1>lab coat over a denim miniskirt, which I think is

1:20:10.460 --> 1:20:14.300
<v Speaker 1>just like not appropriate. That's got to be against some

1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:16.860
<v Speaker 1>kind of like HIPAA. It's a HIPAA violation.

1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:21.689
<v Speaker 2>It went to the kind of like, Kim Basinger as

1:20:21.750 --> 1:20:26.070
<v Speaker 2>a journalist kind of like template, um, templatization of like

1:20:26.150 --> 1:20:30.500
<v Speaker 2>making hot women in certain roles makes sense, which they do.

1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:32.860
<v Speaker 1>And you know, she's a scientist cause her hair is Brown,

1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:37.040
<v Speaker 1>a blonde scientist.

1:20:37.220 --> 1:20:39.600
<v Speaker 2>They would never know. Science would never allow it.

1:20:39.620 --> 1:20:43.610
<v Speaker 1>It would never, it could never, they don't give brunettes doctorates.

1:20:43.930 --> 1:20:46.770
<v Speaker 2>No, no, it's actually like, it's against the code.

1:20:46.810 --> 1:20:49.030
<v Speaker 1>Neither of us will ever be doctors.

1:20:49.210 --> 1:20:52.330
<v Speaker 2>Um, Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to sadly remain podcasters. But thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this episode of Like a Virgin. Please subscribe

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