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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. So

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Speaker 1: this short stuff from Stuff you Should Know Short edition

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Speaker 1: about campaign money money. I think we've done some we've

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Speaker 1: dabbled around this topic before, but this is a little

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Speaker 1: shorty question answered. Yeah, it's a based on a how

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Speaker 1: stuff works article we should call out um. But like,

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Speaker 1: I've always kind of wondered this but didn't realize i'd

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Speaker 1: wondered it, because I think if I had actually wondered it,

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Speaker 1: I would have just gone and researched it and found out,

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Speaker 1: you know, the answer. But it was like in the

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Speaker 1: back of my head, like one of those questions I

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Speaker 1: didn't know I wanted to know the answer to until

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Speaker 1: I saw the question. You know what I mean? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I know that I've donated to political campaigns and

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Speaker 1: then never said, hey, wait a minute, you lost did

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Speaker 1: you spend my money? Right? But didn't it didn't cross

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Speaker 1: your mind. I know you never said it, but did

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Speaker 1: you ever think, like, did my money get spent? I

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Speaker 1: just assumed that it got spent five seconds after I

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Speaker 1: hit the click button. You know, I think that's frequently

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Speaker 1: the case, but it is possible every once in a

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Speaker 1: while that a candidate becomes so popular and raises so

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Speaker 1: much money, but then that popularity and that that war

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Speaker 1: chest of campaign money is disproportionate to their actual chance

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Speaker 1: of becoming the nominee for the party. Case in point

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Speaker 1: was Jeb Bush in two thousands, the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: sixteen election. Jeb he raced a lot of dough and

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Speaker 1: did not. You know, I'm not sure if like the

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Speaker 1: if there's an equation for money spent and chances of winning,

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Speaker 1: which they're supposedly, is he bucked that trend? He really did.

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Speaker 1: He had UM. I think he raised something like a

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two million dollars, a hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: two million dollars, which was far and away the most

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Speaker 1: of all the Republican UM nominees that primary season UM

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Speaker 1: and did not get it, and that is really unusual.

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Speaker 1: But the reason we're mentioning this is because he had

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Speaker 1: so much money, he um got caught with some left over.

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Speaker 1: And that's fine, like that's not the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: But it does raise that question if you have millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of dollars of campaign contributions and you didn't

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Speaker 1: make it to the general election. What happens to all

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Speaker 1: that money? Yeah, I mean, and it kind of depends.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you say being caught, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that he did anything wrong aside from I guess

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Speaker 1: doing everything wrong to not win. But it's not like

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Speaker 1: he was caught doing something bad. He was just you know,

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Speaker 1: he lost early enough to where there was a you know,

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Speaker 1: millions and millions and millions of dollars left over, UM,

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Speaker 1: And what happens that money, It kind of depends on

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Speaker 1: where it comes from. Right, So there there now that UM,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has completely ruined democracy with the Citizens

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Speaker 1: United case UM. There are two two main groups that

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Speaker 1: can be fundeling money towards a particular candidates candidacy. There's

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Speaker 1: the candidate him or herself in their campaign, and then

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Speaker 1: there's also superpacks political action committees. And they used to

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Speaker 1: be political action committees, but now they're on steroids because

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Speaker 1: they can raise unlimited funds and spend unlimited funds to

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Speaker 1: help a candidate. So long as the superpack and the

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Speaker 1: candidate aren't coordinating how that money has spent. There just

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Speaker 1: there to support the candidate in ideally on paper, I

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Speaker 1: should say yeah, and earlier when I said, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I gave, as in just an independent schmo um

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Speaker 1: money to candidate, it is probably likely that that money

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Speaker 1: is burned through pretty quickly. Um. This this these personal contributions.

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Speaker 1: I get the idea that they kind of spend that

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Speaker 1: stuff because you know, and it points out in this

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Speaker 1: article if it's like kind of now never, if you're

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Speaker 1: not you're not like you're holding onto that stuff for

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Speaker 1: a rainy day. You're trying to win an election. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And one way to do that is by spending tons

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Speaker 1: of dough So that's called like cash on hand. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's when like you Chuck wrote a check to Jeb

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Speaker 1: Bush and said go Jeb and like the memo, and

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Speaker 1: Jeb's campaign went and cash that money and put it

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Speaker 1: in their account. That's cash on hand. Yeah, they burned

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Speaker 1: through that very very very frequently. But there's also like

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Speaker 1: So the question remains, like what does Jeb Bush's campaign

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Speaker 1: do with that? And there's actual rules for what they

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Speaker 1: rule is that after after Jeb Bush drops out of

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Speaker 1: the race or doesn't doesn't get chosen as the party's

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Speaker 1: nominee for the general election, he doesn't get to just

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Speaker 1: be like, thanks for the hundred million dollars, chumps, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go buy a yacht. That's basically the only rule

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Speaker 1: that the FEC has, well, one of one of a

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Speaker 1: few rules, but that's the big one. Yes, no yachts, right,

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Speaker 1: no yachts cla. Uh yeah, it's basically, you can't spend

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Speaker 1: anything on your personal expenses. Um, And why don't we

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Speaker 1: about some other FEC rules right after this. All right,

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Speaker 1: So you can't spend that stuff on yourself. You can't say, like, geez,

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Speaker 1: um brace all this money. I'd love to pay off

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Speaker 1: my mortgage while I'm at it. Um. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: like the main thing. There are things you can do,

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Speaker 1: they're called permissible uses. Uh. You can donate that money

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Speaker 1: to party, which being especially if it's like a nice

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Speaker 1: charity everybody can get behind, like the Save Puppies dot

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Speaker 1: Org or something like that, you know exactly, Um, this

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Speaker 1: pull from two sources. One says, you can just donate

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Speaker 1: it to another candidate, but I think that's limited to

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Speaker 1: two thousand dollars if it's just a personal donation. But

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Speaker 1: you can can you transfer everything to like a pack,

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Speaker 1: I believe. So. I think the thing that was wrong

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Speaker 1: here is that that the person didn't say the person

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Speaker 1: from Open Secrets or didn't say that they can give

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Speaker 1: it to another candidate up to two grand, they can

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Speaker 1: give the whole thing to the party, or yeah, they

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Speaker 1: can transfer it to to a superpack. So the candidate

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Speaker 1: can apparently take that money and give it to a superpack,

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Speaker 1: but a superpack can't give their money to a candidate.

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Speaker 1: But the impression that I have is that that superpack

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Speaker 1: would have to spend that money on that candidate, either

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Speaker 1: in a future election or if the candidate also is like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run for Senate instead, they would they

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Speaker 1: would be that superpack could fund that candidates um campaigns,

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Speaker 1: no matter what kind of election they were running for. Right.

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Speaker 1: And it's also highly likely that there's an understanding that

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Speaker 1: if a pack or superpack donates a ton of money

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Speaker 1: and that candidate loses and is out, especially if they're

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Speaker 1: because super packs, from the impression I have from researching this,

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Speaker 1: if it doesn't, if it doesn't work, they get their

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Speaker 1: money back eventually. That that was unspent um that happened

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Speaker 1: And the big disparity between Rick Perry's UM campaign and

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Speaker 1: He knew it was time to get out, and his

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Speaker 1: superpack contributors got their money back. And then you know

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Speaker 1: how I was talking about people spending uh, Like a

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Speaker 1: lot of times a candidate will actually um be in debt,

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Speaker 1: he dropped out in September two thousand fifteen, UM, he

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Speaker 1: could there was no money to return. Yeah, And that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. And so like you can be in debt,

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Speaker 1: your campaign can be in debt, and if you're wealthy,

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Speaker 1: that's okay. Um, there's ways for you to to make

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Speaker 1: that money back to retire that debt. You can create

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Speaker 1: fundraisers over time, but that's really difficult to get people

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Speaker 1: to contribute to your campaign that's already lost so that

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Speaker 1: you can retire debt. UM. But if you're not wealthy,

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Speaker 1: you might have taken out like personal loans along the

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Speaker 1: have personal loan obligations for the rest of your life

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Speaker 1: from this campaign that was unsuccessful. So it can be

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Speaker 1: really nerve racking to run for office and not win

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Speaker 1: written off. Anything over two hundred fifty dollars that you

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Speaker 1: You're it's gone forever um after twenty days after the election. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And in the case of like a Donald Trump or

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Speaker 1: I guess rather anyone in the first term of what

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Speaker 1: they hope is going to be a two term fair. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you've just got all this money raised and then

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Speaker 1: you didn't spend it, your campaign is still an entity.

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Speaker 1: It's still an ongoing entity. It's not like they dissolved

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Speaker 1: Like he just basically like anyone would keep that money

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Speaker 1: that's what happens to the unspent money. Uh, it just

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Speaker 1: evaporates if you really want to think about it. Uh.

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