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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

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Speaker 1: And what it's like to be siblings. We are a

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Speaker 1: sibling railvalry.

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Speaker 2: No, no, sibling rail, don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Revelry. That's good. Pay Yeah, that's my intro. That's my

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Speaker 1: intro clip. It just goes like this, Oliver Hudson on

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Speaker 1: sibling revelry.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like a minor note which it's like

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Speaker 1: starts with ah, which which is like kind of happy,

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Speaker 1: and then it goes ah, which you're you're descending down

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Speaker 1: into you know, the miners, you know, which is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: man like ah, and then you hit that, which means

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Speaker 1: you're just like depressed. So, uh, this this little signature

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Speaker 1: that I've just created. It starts with like, oh, life

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Speaker 1: is good, and then you can even drop down to

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Speaker 1: that base if it if it's getting really bad. So

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Speaker 1: that is my new signature. And as you listen to

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Speaker 1: this show, you will know what my mood is based

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Speaker 1: on whether it's an ascending which is like, oh life

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Speaker 1: is pretty fucking good, or which means like I woke

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Speaker 1: up this morning. Things are supposed like when the minue

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Speaker 1: you wake up in the morning, you know, you open

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Speaker 1: your eyes and it's a fresh day. Life can be anything.

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Speaker 1: So there's this sense of optimism when you open your

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Speaker 1: eyes like okay, it's a new day. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: as the minutes take on, it just goes to you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, it's rare for me when

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Speaker 1: it's just goes ah where it's just fucking flying all day. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: this is Oliver Hudson in case you are just tuning

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Speaker 1: in and we have I have we have a really

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Speaker 1: fun guest today, Kelly Rizzo. I have never met her,

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Speaker 1: but she was married to Bob Saggott, who I actually

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Speaker 1: knew pretty well. And I'm excited to have a conversation

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Speaker 1: with her about multiple things, not just Bob, you know,

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Speaker 1: and grief and sort of how one deals with something

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Speaker 1: like that, and I'm sure it's all individual. Everyone has

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Speaker 1: their own ways, but also digging into sort of fresh love,

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Speaker 1: what it's like, how to you know, get over the

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Speaker 1: hump and find love again? Special Forces who's on that show.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to her about that and you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever comes into my stupid brain, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: but let's bring uh, let's bring Kelly in. Hello, how

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I am h Let me think because everyone just automatically says, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: When I ask, I sincerely ask, But do you really?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it depends on their context. Yes,

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Speaker 2: walking past somebody in the street is a different story

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Speaker 2: than me asking you right.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm okay. Hey, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm good. I've got my helme and great kids.

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Speaker 3: Great is sometimes tough, you know, it depends on what

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Speaker 3: your standard of great is. You know, some people wake

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Speaker 3: up and life is great, and I know, really we

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Speaker 3: need to have these positive affirmations.

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Speaker 1: You know, and wake up every morning and being like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I life is great and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a great day, and I believe in that. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, when you're re evaluating sort of

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Speaker 1: your life, it's to evaluating your day.

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Speaker 2: Do you do the positive affirmations?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was heavily into it, just writing

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Speaker 1: my journal, you know, every every morning, and I would

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Speaker 1: sort of just write ten ten things I'm grateful for,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Gratitude Journal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is, like, you know, the ten things

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I got bored of my gratitudes.

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Speaker 4: I'm like my kids, my wife, you know, all the stuff,

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Speaker 4: all the great things, all the great things. But I'd say,

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Speaker 4: I'm good. I'm happy to be talking to you. I'm

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Speaker 4: happy to have a producing deal at Fox. I'm happy

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Speaker 4: to have my children healthy and my wife. I need money,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, what's a fucking crazy

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Speaker 1: Amen?

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Speaker 2: I mean I know we're all just grinding and hustling

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Speaker 2: over here, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So apparently this podcast has quickly

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Speaker 2: But well, but I love the podcast. It's so great.

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Speaker 2: You know, whether you've got the sibling dynamic or whether

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Speaker 2: it's you solo works both ways. It's great. And now

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Speaker 2: she's off doing her music, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's doing her music. She's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty everything.

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Speaker 1: Everything is happening very quickly. You know, I think the

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Speaker 1: launches on Saturday, you know, we're going to see her

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Speaker 1: do her album. And it's it's exciting, so talented.

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Speaker 2: So I was so impressed because you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: over the years I've heard her seeing a little here

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Speaker 1: No, I know, it's crazy. I mean, the talent is insane. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean it really is. And as an

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Speaker 1: you have to get angry. That's kind of the way

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Speaker 1: it works, you know what I mean, It's like, oh great,

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Speaker 2: Synamic, I know, I know all about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my own that's my own psychology. Do you

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Speaker 1: have siblings, by the way, I do.

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Speaker 2: I have two sisters. I'm the oldest as well, oh good,

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Speaker 2: and the oldest. The three girls were very very close.

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Speaker 2: So I'm well, I'll be forty five on Sunday, and

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Speaker 2: then my middle sister is forty one, and then my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and y'all grew up in Chicago, right, grew up

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Speaker 2: One's actually here with me, right, now for like a

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Speaker 2: She's the one that's got kids, and she's the one

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Speaker 2: that made my parents grandparents, and they're very very excited

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a necess it's so older too, we're like nah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then the youngest one's like, all right, I'll be

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Speaker 1: Oh well, good. And growing up, were you guys all

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Speaker 2: There both very very close, my middle sister and I.

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Speaker 2: bit of I mean, we've all had our little rebellious stages,

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Speaker 2: all got really close when we said she turned nice

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Speaker 2: when she was in her twenties, Like she wasn't nice

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Speaker 1: But there was that moment of like, get your shit together,

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Speaker 2: It was decades. It was a good two full decades

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Speaker 2: where we're like, you're just you're just not You're not

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Speaker 1: But how do you deal with that? Though? You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean as siblings, you know, obviously communication is

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Speaker 2: Well, there was a lot of I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean I just she just annoyed the

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Speaker 1: just being like Rio, just chill, just just bring it down,

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Speaker 2: Well, my sisters and I were very physical, and to

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Speaker 2: I mean we were We would fight like wow, wrestle, punch, kick, fight,

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Speaker 1: I think that's healthy, you know. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: There's love there at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, so much love. I couldn't imagine my

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Speaker 2: But it's when you meet an only child sometimes you

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Speaker 2: into place. You know. Sometimes they had no limits. Maybe

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Speaker 2: their parents let them get away with stuff where siblings

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Speaker 2: won't let you get away with stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting to see the different dynamics and relationships

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Speaker 2: when you meet somebody that's an only child because they

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Speaker 2: just didn't have that growing up.

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Speaker 1: No I know, I know, And was there any part

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Speaker 2: I thought that I would have kids because it's just

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Speaker 2: an option to not have kids, like you grow up,

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Speaker 2: because you have to do it. And then as I

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Speaker 2: come on, what are the odds something bad happened. He's fine,

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00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: don't freak yourself out. And then it got to the

434
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: point where I clearly was, you know, it was legitimate

435
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: to be freaked out, because it just kept progressing and

436
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: getting worse and worse, where like we knew something bad happened.

437
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: Like hours in the day, it meaning hours and hours,

438
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: like what the fuck's going on?

439
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 2: Like right, I mean it was the whole thing was

440
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: like a two three hour process where I knew he

441
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: was supposed to be at the airport and I could

442
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: track his phone, and his phone was at the hotel

443
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: and he wasn't answering, and then we were calling the

444
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: hotel room in that and he wasn't answering there. And

445
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: then I was like, maybe he was just really sleeping

446
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: hard because he was exhausted from his tour. And I

447
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: was like, possible he just didn't set an alarm and overslept,

448
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: and you know, so I was rationalizing, trying to think

449
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: not the worst case scenario, and then it got to

450
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: the point where it was getting too ridiculous. I was like,

451
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: Bob's the most reliable person ever. He's never missed a flight,

452
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 2: he's never been late, like this doesn't make sense. And

453
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: then you know, the hotel's like we're going to do

454
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: a wellness check. The door's locked, we have to break

455
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: the door down, you know, like that type of stuff.

456
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: Fuck.

457
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so where I was like, Okay, this

458
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: isn't my life. I was like, this can't end that way.

459
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: This has to end like everything's going to be okay,

460
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: Like I can't. Like it was too surreal, as as

461
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: you mentioned. And then you know, it was, as I said,

462
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: like a two hour process where like they weren't telling

463
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: me anything and they're like, you know, paramedics are here.

464
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: And then I was like, okay, maybe maybe he had

465
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: a heart attack, but he's going to be fine.

466
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: M hm. So you didn't they didn't tell you anything.

467
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: You're just you're just hearing, oh, the paramedics here, all right.

468
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: I had a friend at my house who was helping

469
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: me like communicate because you know, I was frantic, and

470
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm and I'm also the link in the chain to

471
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: Bob's ex wife and his daughters, so I'm you know,

472
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: getting a little info from the hotel and then I'm

473
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: calling them and telling them what I heard and calling

474
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: my family and we're all like in contact. At this

475
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: point we were like, all right, something obviously is going on.

476
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: But then finally it was like two hours plus later

477
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: when they had to get a security guard on the phone.

478
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't even like what not a real person, but

479
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: I mean it was it wasn't a detective or an

480
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: invest I mean it was like a hotel security guard

481
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: that told me that unfortunately he passed away. And I

482
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: remember I just like completely lost it, like I was

483
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: not even human, and I was like, this is not real,

484
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: this is not real. But somehow, even through that, I

485
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: was somehow able to to like after I laid on

486
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: the floor for a while and like you know, it

487
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: was like an animal. Then I remember having I was like,

488
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: I have to I have to do this. I have

489
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: to I've got to talk to people. People are going

490
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: to be coming to the house, like I have to

491
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: somehow be functioning enough to deal with this. I can't

492
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: fall apart. And then it's weird when fifteen minutes later

493
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: it's on TMZ and then it's you.

494
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well then then all the and then I.

495
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: Was like, Okay, this is weird, this is not like

496
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: how that At that point it hit me, I was

497
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: like Okay, this isn't what people normally have to deal with, right.

498
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, right, I mean that's just that's yeah. And

499
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: then again and I remember all the rumors and ship

500
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: and you know, all that and sort of you get

501
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: to deal with that.

502
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: Well, that was very upsetting for our family because and

503
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: it was not fair to him to have.

504
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, isn't it amazing the machine that just kicks

505
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: into gear where something is just formulated and created out

506
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: of fucking thin air? You know, It's like, where are

507
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: you even getting this shit from? It's just it was

508
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: just purely it's just created. You know.

509
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I very specifically remember, you know, because

510
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: when it was released what had happened to him that

511
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: he fell and it was this very intense fall that

512
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 2: you know, created a very dramatic injury. But I remember

513
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: it was I mean, hey, I'll throw this out there.

514
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: I've never said this publicly before, but I remember it

515
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: was Sanjay Gupdan CNN. He came on. He was like,

516
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem like just consistent with a fall in

517
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: a hotel room. This looks like this happened, or this happened,

518
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: or this happened. And he named like several things that

519
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: were like super dramatic that were obviously proven to not

520
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: be accurate, and that's what started I remember very specifically

521
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: him just speculating, just trying to get on the news

522
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: and speculators what started all of these rumors. So to

523
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: this day, I'm yeah.

524
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: J fan with that. So yeah, yeah, now, I know,

525
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I know it's hard because they try to fill airspace

526
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: speculation this and that, but they do have some sort

527
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: of responsibility, you know, and at the same time because

528
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: when it.

529
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Causes pain for the family because now we have to,

530
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: you know, do everything to protect Bob's privacy and dignity

531
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: and respect like that's you know, it's just very irresponsible

532
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: how some people handle it.

533
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: Do you think humans? And I'm asking you because you've

534
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: experienced it, but and I've always wondered this, if something

535
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: happens that kicks into gear that is unknown in our

536
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: sort of everyday, normal, daily life to when a tragedy

537
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: like this happens that you don't or one doesn't just

538
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: completely fall apart and become dysfunctional and that's the end

539
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, is there something that switches where

540
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I have to handle shit and I

541
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: can grieve later. I can cry later, I can do

542
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: all that, but I have to fucking get into gear

543
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: and handle shit right now.

544
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it kind of I know you touched on

545
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: this a minute ago and I didn't totally answer, but

546
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: you're totally right that that's what happens. Because if you

547
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: would have asked me prior to this, like how would

548
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: you reactive? Right it's been just suddenly died, Yeah, I

549
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: would have been like I would have been inconsolable. I

550
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: would have been have zero human function and I would

551
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: not be okay. And something kicked in even that day,

552
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: which is really strange. And I'll tell you something else

553
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: said I don't think I've ever said, is that I

554
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: had just gotten over COVID, Like that was the first

555
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: day that I tested negative and I wasn't super sick,

556
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: but I had this horrific sore throat that was so

557
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: bad that I could I mean, I was in tears

558
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: for days because it hurt so bad. And I remember

559
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: that morning I was texting Bob over and over and

560
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: over again, like my throat is still hurting, like something

561
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: is wrong. This doesn't make sense. I'm in so much pain,

562
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: Like what do we do? And he wasn't answering. So

563
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: that's what triggered me, you know, trying to find out

564
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: why he wasn't answering. But somehow, it was literally like

565
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: within five minutes of finding out what had happened to him,

566
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: as I said, like I couldn't for days, I was

567
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: in so much pain that instant, my sore throat just

568
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: went away. It just went away, where like all the

569
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: sickness like was just gone. And it was almost like

570
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: my brain was like, Okay, we're giving you a little

571
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: bit of extra strength now and we're going to take

572
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: away this pain because the emotional pain is going to

573
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: be enough, so at least you have no physical pain

574
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: right now. And it was really strange, and it like

575
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: I just kind of kicked into gear where I was like,

576
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: all right, I've got shit to do, yeah, and I

577
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: have to rise to the occasion for his girls and

578
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: for him, and I don't have a choice to just retreat.

579
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's different for some people, Like I

580
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: couldn't even imagine people like let's say somebody losing a

581
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: child or something. That's that's a thing where if somebody

582
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: is going to retreat and go into a hole like

583
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: that makes sense.

584
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, what about faith? Where are you? I mean,

585
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: do you have Are you a religious person? You know?

586
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm not. I mean candidly, I don't believe in

587
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: God necessarily as sort of an entity in the sky.

588
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: You know. I think I believe, I believe in spirituality.

589
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: I believe in faith. You know what I'm saying, because

590
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: faith is to me a big word. It's broad. I

591
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: could have faith in this, Yetti, I could have so

592
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: much faith in this. YETI that it can bring me

593
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: comfort during pain. You know that I can rely on

594
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: this if I just have faith in it, that this

595
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: is the next level right here. You know. So I

596
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: believe in that, and it does bring comfort, and it

597
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: does bring some sort of I guess, well, who knows

598
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: if it's a real answer, but it gives you some

599
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of an answer. Oh it's okay, I'll see him again,

600
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: or I'll see her again, or you know, this is

601
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: God's plan. That's my own shit.

602
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 2: But are you Yeah, my faith was incredibly helpful. I

603
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: am Christian, so that was something that was truly helpful

604
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: for me, and it was not. It's interesting because usually

605
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: in times of deep distress is when a lot of

606
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: times people can lose their faith or be you know,

607
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: question it more. And to me it it never wavered

608
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: in the sense of and what you said is you know,

609
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: being religious or not. I mean, religion is a it's

610
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: a totally different story. And to me, religion is like

611
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: you're follow you're pious, and you're following a set of rules.

612
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: That's not how IM like, I'm not religious in that aspect.

613
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: For me.

614
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: It's more of just a relationship. So I feel like

615
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: I have that relationship with God. I remember God. It

616
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: was like not even a week after my sister, the

617
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: one who's here with me now, she uh stayed like

618
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: slept in my bed with me for like a month straight,

619
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: and I remember she said to me, because she's very like,

620
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm not great at expressing my faith and talking about

621
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: all of it. Like if somebody is really inquisitive, I

622
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: can have a great discussion about it, But for the

623
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: most part, I'm not. You know, like for instance, my

624
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: friend Candace, you know, like she's candas cameraon, like she's

625
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: like super open about it. Yeah, she's like she's so

626
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: confident in expressing that to people, and I'm not as

627
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: if somebody is open to having a discussion, great but

628
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: like my sister is like a canvas, okay. And so

629
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: she was sitting in bed with me one day and

630
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, I just really want to make

631
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: sure that this isn't you know, uh, you know, taking

632
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: away from or hurting your your your faith in God.

633
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, and it's strange. All I said

634
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: was I go No, I said, Actually not at all,

635
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: I said, because I said, I exist, I'm here. If

636
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: I exist and I'm here, I know that there's something.

637
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: And if I know that there's something, ultimately, I know

638
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: that this is going to be used for good. And

639
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: it was just kind of up to me in that

640
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: moment to be like, all right, how can this be

641
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: used for good? And I think especially with Bob, the

642
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: immense gratitude I had for that I had him for

643
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: the six years, and you know, his girls and his

644
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: friends will say that those last six years were the

645
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: happiest of his life. And you know, even though he

646
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: was sixty five, yes, we wanted him to be ninety

647
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: five or one hundred and five. He thought he was

648
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: going to be one hundred and twenty five. He's always

649
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: like I'm going to outlive you. I'm like, you're not

650
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: going to be one hundred and twenty, and he's like, yes,

651
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: I am. Anyway, the fact that he still had sixty

652
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: five years where he truly made a difference and changed

653
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 2: the world and made it a better place and left

654
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: this incredible legacy made me so grateful for that. And

655
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: even though we wished we would have had more time

656
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: with him, it's like he did so much and that

657
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: sixty five years, like what more could you really ask for?

658
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: Like he raised three incredible daughters, He made a difference,

659
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: he found love, he you know, had this special life.

660
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: So I was just so grateful for that that that's

661
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: what I ended up focusing on versus this isn't fair?

662
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: Why me? And how long did it? Did it take

663
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: you a minute to get there or was it a meet?

664
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Pretty immediate?

665
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: It was pretty immediate, you know, like that first week

666
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: or two was uh, pretty difficult. Actually, I just did

667
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: a Instagram video about this where I had a guest

668
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: on my podcast recently who talked about right when she

669
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: had lost her dad and she had a couple other

670
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: traumatic things happened to her that she completely went into

671
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: this zone and like didn't drink, didn't you know where

672
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: normally you think that you're going to lose somebody, You're

673
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: gonna like, I'm gonna numb myself. I'm going to need

674
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 2: to do all, you know, all the substances. And that's

675
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: kind of what happened to me. Like I would have thought, Oh,

676
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to go down to spiral, Yeah,

677
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: and I didn't. Like I I was scared of putting

678
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: anything in my body because I needed to stay super

679
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: clear and super alert. And I knew. I was like,

680
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: this is big. I have a lot to do, Like

681
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: I have to give his eulogy, Like I can't you know,

682
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: be messed up during that, Like I have possible exactly.

683
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: And so I think except for let's say that first

684
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: week or two where I was in surreal mode, immediately

685
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: after that, I was, especially once we found out what

686
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: happened to him, because there was all this weird limbo

687
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: for the first few weeks or we're like did he

688
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: have a heart attack? Did he have a stroke?

689
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: Like what happened?

690
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: And then when we found out what it was, as

691
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: in a sense, like a heart attack maybe would have

692
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: been a little easier because it's not an accident, I know,

693
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: you know, when we're like, oh, it's this freak accident,

694
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: but we're like, it happened, there's nothing we can do

695
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, And once we at least had the finality,

696
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: then it was a little easier to move on and

697
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, now let's deal with it.

698
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

699
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: From that day on, I was just so grateful and.

700
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: That grieving process, you know, obviously it's ongoing and probably forever.

701
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, life changes forever when someone you love dies

702
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: suddenly like that. Not to say you can't move on, obviously,

703
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: that's a very important part of life, you know, is

704
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: sort of processing and moving on, and especially with someone

705
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: like Bob, who would want you to have a full,

706
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: beautiful life and not have this situation if he is

707
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: looking down put you in a hole to where you're

708
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: eighty five years old, and you know, I have done nothing.

709
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, Oliver, I don't know. See

710
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: my jokes always I was separating. I have to separate

711
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: earthly Bob from heavenly Bob. You know, Earthly Bob would

712
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: be like if you ever moved on, like, how dare you?

713
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: How could you?

714
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: You know, because he was always like, you know, very

715
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: protective in that aspect. And then but then like his

716
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: his daughter's. You know, when when it came to the conversation,

717
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, a while after about like me even potentially

718
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: thinking about dating, they were very supportive about it, and

719
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: they're like, he would want you to be happy, and

720
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: I was like really, and they're like, yes, of course

721
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: he would. And hearing it from them made me accept

722
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: that because for a while I was only picturing of

723
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: like the Bob that I knew, and form would be

724
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: like not that but.

725
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: Like jealous Bob or like hey if I go, you're fucking.

726
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because we already talked about it, we never

727
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: had that conversation of like what would happen?

728
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's funny. Did that play on your mind though,

729
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: of like how he would feel or think about you

730
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: potentially moving on even though you're young and have so

731
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: much life ahead of you. I mean, does that play

732
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: in tear?

733
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: I truly for a while pictured him being like how

734
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: could you even think about it? And then, you know,

735
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: as I said, when I had some of his best

736
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: friends sit me down and be like, all right, you

737
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: need to start thinking about this, I was like, really, yes,

738
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: that's what he would want, and I was like, are

739
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: you sure? And then when his girls said it. I

740
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: was like, okay, okay, he'd be okay with it. And

741
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: then it's funny and everyone agrees with me that with

742
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: my boyfriend. Now we all say that, like he's truly

743
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: the only person that we feel like Bob would actually

744
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: be okay with. They liked each other, they had this

745
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: mutual respect, and you know, we're like, all right, he

746
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't love it, but he'd be like, all right, I'm

747
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: okay with this.

748
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And how did that all come about?

749
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? First of all, did you

750
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: were you did you have the conversation with the girls

751
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of Bob's friends. Was this

752
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: before Brecon came into your life or was this sort

753
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: of like it was like, look, you've done your thing.

754
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: I think it's time you sort of get out there

755
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: and move move forward, not on, but kind of move forward.

756
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had had that conversation, and you know, a

757
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: couple of conversations, like a little over a year after

758
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 2: Bob passed, and then it was not for a good

759
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: six months after that that. I mean, Breck and I

760
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: we met before. But one of his best friends is

761
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: one of Bob's best friends and so it was like

762
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: a reconnection through like mutual friends. So it felt very

763
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: comfortable because he wasn't like a stranger you know that

764
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: you just randomly meet or something like that. So there

765
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: was this initial sense of like comfort mutual friends.

766
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: How are you able to be like, hmm, okay, I'm

767
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: feeling something. Do I fucking act on this? Oh? My god?

768
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Like what do I do? And I've known Breck and

769
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a long time, but I've

770
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: known him and he's such a sweet human being. So

771
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: obviously his empathy or his compassion, you know, for something

772
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: like this and handling it, you know, I mean, how

773
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: does one go about that? And they even speak to

774
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: the broader idea too, because you know of someone who

775
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: has lost someone who then needs to is finding someone

776
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: else and how that happens, and the guilt and the

777
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: acceptance in all of those things.

778
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: And to be honest, this is another topic that I'm

779
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: just so fascinated by because number one, it's something I

780
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: never thought about. I had never been through this myself,

781
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: and now that I've gone through it, you meet all

782
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: these other people who are going through similar situations. I'm like,

783
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: this is you know, a big topic to kind of

784
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: dive into because it does affect a lot of people,

785
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: and for me, it was really important, you know, when

786
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: I even would potentially think about, like one day in

787
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: the future, if I'm dating somebody, I'm like, they're going

788
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: to have to understand that Bob is never going anywhere,

789
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: like he's always like I mean, even if you look

790
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: around my house, like I have pictures of Bob. I have,

791
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, his last poster ever from the night before

792
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: he passed away that he signed, you know, Bob Saget.

793
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all over and I'm like, anyone I'm

794
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: with is just going to have to understand that I'm

795
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: always going to be, you know, talking about him, and

796
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's podcasts or interviews or whatever, it is,

797
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: like he's always going to be a part of my

798
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: life and his girls are always a part of my life.

799
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: And they'd have to be confident enough and comfortable enough

800
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: with that. And you know, I've said before that I've

801
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: I've got very lucky and that you know, finding someone

802
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: who is super confident and super just understanding and empathetic

803
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: when it comes to all of that and asks questions,

804
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: you know, like what was Bob's favorite TV show, like

805
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: what did Bob like to eat? Like, Oh, did Bob

806
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: like this movie? You know, And so Bob's always a

807
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: part of the conversation, and it's it's just been really

808
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: nice to know that I can be myself with it

809
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: and always have a place for Bob and it's never

810
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: an issue with him, or it's never uncomfortable for him.

811
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 2: And I mean there have been times where I've been like, hey,

812
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: just making sure, like kind of checking in, like this

813
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: is cool, right that we talk about Bob or then

814
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: he's always like course, yeah, yeah, yeah, if it's ever

815
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: a problem, I'll let you know. But it's not. You

816
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: know that it's just not a thing. He's just super

817
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: understanding about it also.

818
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: And then coming and then sort of you know, I know,

819
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: you've probably got a lot of positive feedback, and then

820
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are like, how could you write?

821
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the world we live in. And

822
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: then and then when do you decide to sort of say,

823
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it, like this is my life. Yeah,

824
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: here we go.

825
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: I think because from day one I had just this

826
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: overwhelming avalanche of support from so many people, people who

827
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: I knew, people who I didn't know. I was pretty

828
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: confident that ultimately everything was going to be very supportive now,

829
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: and because I knew that I did things in a

830
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: very respectful way. You know, yes, if this was if

831
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: he had passed away and then two months later dating

832
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: somebody like I would expect some backlash, but this was,

833
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: you know, a year and a half, two years later,

834
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: it was very respectful. I had the blessing of all

835
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: of his family and friends, and I just knew that

836
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: I was doing things properly. And because I knew in

837
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: my heart that what I was doing was okay, ultimately,

838
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: I didn't really care. All I cared about was like

839
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: Bob's girls, and if they were okay with it, then

840
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: I was okay with it. And if anyone, if some

841
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: stupid troll on Instagram said something negative, like I don't care,

842
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: but even with you know, news of me actually like

843
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: dating somebody came out like once again, ninety nine point

844
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: nine nine nine nine nine percent positive. Anyone that said

845
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: anything negative were those stupid internet trolls that I just

846
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: don't care about. But since everyone has something to say,

847
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: even you know, those few little chirpy trolls that sneak

848
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: in there, into the conversation, I still felt it was

849
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: important to address that because some people aren't maybe as

850
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 2: fortunate as I where they get negative feedback even from

851
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: their family or from their friends. Like maybe they start

852
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: dating somebody six months after and they're going to have

853
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: people say negative things. And the whole point is nobody

854
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: can judge. It is not anyone's place to judge someone

855
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: who lost their partner because no matter what, like no

856
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: one knows exactly what that relationship was, and you could

857
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: have loved that person more than anything in your entire life,

858
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: and then when they're gone, like you don't know what

859
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: is down the road for you. So you know, people

860
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: don't judge a man sometimes when six months later he's

861
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: remarried already, you know. But for a woman it's a

862
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: little different.

863
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: You know.

864
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: There's you know, people say like they expect you know,

865
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: like I'm Sicilian. You know I had like my Sicilian

866
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: grandma when I when my grandpa died, like she wore

867
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: black for like years, you know.

868
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: What I mean.

869
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 2: It's like like my my hometown in Sicily looks it's

870
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: literally right next to Quota Leone. So it's like you

871
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: picture the Godfather. Yeah, yeah, So I had this image

872
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: in my mind. I'm like, am I supposed to be

873
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: that old Italian lady wearing black like forever?

874
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: You know?

875
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: And that's sometimes the image people have, and yeah, that's

876
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: I just wanted to address that. Whether you find somebody

877
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: two months after or twenty years after, yep, everyone's on

878
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: their own time schedule, and nobody can really judge because

879
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: through it you don't understand.

880
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I think that the

881
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: you know, the judgment on something like this, it's an impossibility,

882
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: because how are you supposed to step into someone's shoes?

883
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so even how Howard Stearn's like

884
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed, like he's I fucking love him? Right, But

885
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: he did?

886
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: Did you hear he made me as a sound bit?

887
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: Of course? This is what I'm saying. This is what

888
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, oh I've heard. I listened every episode,

889
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: like I heard the thing and then and he made

890
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: you the thing was It's like it was like it

891
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: was like may but you should feel honored, honestly, like

892
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: I know it might have been crazy, but he's just

893
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: what's great about him is he's just going through his

894
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: own insecurity sort of about Beth and like, if this

895
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: was Beth and he was in heaven and heard that,

896
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: he'd be like, what the fuck. But you know, how

897
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: did you take that?

898
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: The joke about that? See, I I know Bob loved

899
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: Howard Reckon love toward yeah, and so I've never you know,

900
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: I hear I would see clips here and there online

901
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 2: and throughout life, but I was never an avid listener.

902
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: And then somebody told me about this. I was like,

903
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 2: what They're like, oh, he talked about you for like

904
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: ten minutes today, ye like four different times, and now

905
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: it's like they use my maybe as a he oh

906
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: my god. And it was so embarrassed, and you know,

907
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: I listened to it and I heard, you know, yes,

908
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 2: you're right, it was because of his own insecurity, is

909
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: like if I die, better never move on. She better

910
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: just live in an attic forever. But the joke was,

911
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: you know, I did this interview. I forget whether it

912
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: was like you're extra or something. The first time you know,

913
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: we ever did like went out in public together and

914
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: somebody's like, oh, is this is debut here? And I

915
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: was like maybe, like that's where it came from. And

916
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, of course the one time. My voice is

917
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: the most annoying it's ever really is when Howard Stern

918
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: clips it and then puts it on replay forever, and

919
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: so it's like the most annoying I've ever sounded is

920
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: now immortalized and thinks it's hilarious because, like as you said,

921
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, it's it's kind of an honor. I'm like, oh,

922
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: it's so embarrassing.

923
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: Why do I have to say that? Loves Howard?

924
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: Right, so he thinks that he thinks it's hilarious. I'm

925
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: kind of mortified.

926
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: I think you are because now I get to know you.

927
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, obviously there's a perception that comes of you

928
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, it's the SoundBite view being

929
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: like maybe it's like this is not indicative of who

930
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: you are in any way.

931
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: Right, I'm not this little like mousey like me. That's

932
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: how it sounded, and.

933
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: It came out of your mouth in the.

934
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: Beginning, because my voice sounds so annoying, and I'm like,

935
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: I swear that's not how I always sound.

936
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: When you did it in the moment, we were like,

937
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, wait, did I was it? Did I just

938
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: go too high pitched? There? Did my octave go.

939
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: I think in the moment I was so caught off

940
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: guard because I wasn't anticipating questions about that, and so

941
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: I was just being like kind of just silly, like

942
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And then when I heard it back, even

943
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: way before it went on Howard, when I saw a

944
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: clip back, I was like, oh, like, why did you

945
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: how like that?

946
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Never knowing you should feel on or listen to Breckon.

947
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: That's an honor, that's an honor that you are. You

948
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: are a sound drop, you on our ebscern show. It

949
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: is will you should embrace it, trust me and your

950
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: man like, this is really fascinating to me. And I

951
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: love the way that you've handled everything, and I think

952
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, the net net of it is, it's just

953
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: important not to pass judgment on anyone who's been through

954
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: something like this and how they continue their lives and

955
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: what they do, because you don't know what it's like

956
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: until you're fucking in it, you know what I mean,

957
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: You just don't. And I'm glad that ninety nine point

958
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: nine percent is all positive because it should be. You know,

959
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about real quick before we

960
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: get out of here. Is the Special Forces Show what

961
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: was that? Like, you know, Body Miller is a good

962
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: friend of mine, so I talked to him a little

963
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: bit about it. But was it just gnarly?

964
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 2: It was gnarly. Body was also kind of Body and

965
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: Jack Osborne were like my saviors there because they had

966
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: been through I mean, Bodie's like, uh, I've been in

967
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: helicopters seventy two thousand times, and you know, I've been

968
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: in these extreme situations. And Jack had done so much

969
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: of this stuff too, So when things were getting really

970
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: dicey and very scary, I would lean on them and

971
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: they were just so comforting. But yeah, it was insane.

972
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: It's simultaneously the best and the worst thing I've ever

973
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: done in my life, the worst because it was.

974
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: It was it was insane.

975
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: It was just insane and it was and it was

976
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: no joke, like it was real, Like there was no

977
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, you are sleeping on the military cot

978
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: with no pillows or blankets, and it's you eat when

979
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: they tell you to eat, and if you don't, it's

980
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: not like there's a vending machine and there's no craft services,

981
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: like you go hungry if you don't eat at the

982
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: designated meal times, like in the mess Hall, and it

983
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: was what scared me more was the sleeping situation and

984
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: that type of thing versus being thrown off of cliffs

985
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: like that I was fine with. I loved the challenges.

986
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: That was fun for me.

987
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: To me, it was more of the endurance stuff and

988
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: the sleeping stuff that to me was the challenge. But

989
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: it was the greatest thing I've ever done. Jack and

990
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: I would joke that if like a van just pulled

991
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: up to us right now, like an unmarked white van

992
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: was like get in, We're going back, I'd be like.

993
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay, do you regret tapping out? Because what did you

994
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: tap out on? Again? I watched the.

995
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: Like we had to carry that Navy seal zodiac boat

996
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: like over in mind. You know I was at the time,

997
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, well it was less than euro So I

998
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: was forty four, in very good shape for being forty four,

999
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: but still not Tyler Cameron shape or a Tom sand

1000
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: of All shape who's in insane shape. And then the

1001
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: other person was the Olympic gold metal speed skater whose

1002
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: eyes were like tree fronks and she was a solid

1003
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: muscle and she's thirty okay, so I'm like, obviously I

1004
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: was the weakest link. No matter how good of shape

1005
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: I was in, I was still a forty four year

1006
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: old woman who was like not Tyler Cameron. Okay.

1007
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 1: So it was.

1008
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 2: The most physically abusive thing I've ever experienced in my life.

1009
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: And I was on two hours of sleep a day.

1010
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: This was day four. I wasn't sleeping. I was delirious.

1011
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: And then they're like, Hi, carry this five hundred pounds

1012
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: in an awkward way, like you couldn't no matter how

1013
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: you tried, you couldn't really carry it.

1014
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and.

1015
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: Then they're screaming in your ear. And then one guy's

1016
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: yelling saying like Bob's looking down on you. He says

1017
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: you can do it, like Bob's proud of you. And

1018
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: I was like, oh fuck, Like come on, like I can't.

1019
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: Bob's up there, like just tap up, Bobs, Like.

1020
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: What are you doing torturing yourself? Go to your hotel

1021
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: and have a martini and put this is exactly Bob

1022
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: would be like, why are you doing this? Like the

1023
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: whole time, I'm like he would have been I think

1024
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 2: I thought I was crazy for doing in the first place,

1025
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: and have been like, look, I think this is stupid,

1026
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: But if you want to do it.

1027
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: Go ahead, But yeah, it was you were hurt. You

1028
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: were like, I can't my leg or my legs.

1029
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: Were my knees felt like like it was like bone

1030
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: on bone, and I was like, I don't want to

1031
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: do permanent damage to myself, right, So yes, I was

1032
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: weakened tremendously and had I maybe had been on a

1033
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: little bit more sleep and not as been as delirious.

1034
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: I knowing what I know now, I probably should have

1035
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: and could have pushed myself little bit more because there

1036
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: were challenges like the next day that I really wanted

1037
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: to do right, Like I wanted to do the helicopter

1038
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: being submerged in the water, like I wanted to do

1039
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: all that I wanted to do. The fighting.

1040
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, how how cold was that water by the way,

1041
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: like freezing?

1042
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: Well that we went into was a frozen pond, Like

1043
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: they had to chainsaw a whole lot. It was frozen.

1044
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, whateut thirty three degrees?

1045
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god? What about the sas and then the

1046
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: guys like when cameras cut, were they like cool?

1047
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: No, they did not break character at all, because it's

1048
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: not really even a character, like that's just the lives

1049
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: that they lived. So they did not break character at all.

1050
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: We got zero comfort from them. We got reality from them,

1051
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: Like there were times where you know, they were kind

1052
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: but not friendly.

1053
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: The only issue I had with the whole thing, like,

1054
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: I love watching it the physical, you know, mental aspect

1055
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: and the you know, the grind. I love that stuff.

1056
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: But when they like take you into the room with

1057
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: the hood on and the goggles, I'm like, feels performative,

1058
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: I know, but like, how do you take that seriously?

1059
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm such a jokey person, you know, and

1060
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: I can commit, you know, I'm an actor. I can

1061
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: commit to it. But at the same time, they do

1062
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: this whole thing and you're like, all right, kind of

1063
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: like what is this?

1064
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. When you're there, it is so feeling

1065
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: it you you're you're scared shitless. It is not because

1066
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: you don't see cameras. There's no producers. There's no camera

1067
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: like when you're on base, cameras on the walls.

1068
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: It's all hidden.

1069
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: You do not see there's no cameraman, there's no producers.

1070
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: It is just you and the DS period end of story.

1071
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: So you're in their world. And so when they're yelling

1072
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: at you and they're like number fourteen, like get to

1073
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: the wall and then they bring you in to interrogate you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's no camp, like it's real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's.

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Speaker 2: Scary and they're mean and that actually though when they

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01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: they didn't show my interrogation, which I was little bummed about,

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01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's when when they brought me in and

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01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: you know, they're like you can do this, like we

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: believe that you, like you can go the distance here,

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: like you just have to believe in yourself. Blah blah blah.

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01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: And then one of the guys, Rudy, he brought up

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01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: Bob and he's like, I didn't know who your husband

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01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: was and and I didn't know that, you know, what

1085
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: was your husband. And he's like he I loved him

1086
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: so much and and like he almost started like or

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: he did start crying, and then I started crying. And

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: it was this very like human moment where I was like, oh,

1089
01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: they are people, you know, and it was, uh, it

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01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: was a really really special experience. It was very real.

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: And we're all friends now yeah now like the ds,

1092
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: like we're all Instagram friends. We've had dinners and stuff.

1093
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 2: But during filming, Oh, they do not.

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01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: Break yeah, oh fun. I know I couldn't. I couldn't

1095
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: make it enough.

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01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: If you have a chance, yeah, if the opportunity comes

1097
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: up again, yeah, I mean it's it's the coolest thing

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01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: I've ever done in my life. Yeah, I mean, when

1099
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: are you going to get that opportunity to never know

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: those things?

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's cool and all the personalities and

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01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely a fun place to be. I

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: mean it's gnarly, but it's fun. Last thing, do you

1104
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: have you had dreams about Bob? Do you have their signs?

1105
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: You know, have you had those moments where it's like

1106
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: holy shit or is that you know.

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01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: What that chrangely? I had never really had a dream

1108
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: about him until last night. Was my first dream about

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01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: him really.

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah.

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: I've had some dream about him where I felt like

1112
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: I was at a dinner table or something and he

1113
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: was there, but never like right where we didn't have

1114
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: a conversation or anything. And last night was the first

1115
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: time where you know, once again, dreams become fuzzy after

1116
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: wake up, so I don't remember the exact context, but

1117
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: I remember very specifically that he kind of came back,

1118
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: so it wasn't like he was always there, you know,

1119
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: like he was alive or it wasn't like it was

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01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: like we had known that he was gone, but he

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01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: came back, and I remember I was like hugging him,

1122
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: like very very tight and like trying to talk to him.

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01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember what he was saying back, but I

1124
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: remember he was wearing his black robe, like his fuzzy

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01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: black like bathrobe that he would like always wear every day,

1126
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: and also like you know, he'd have his cigar in

1127
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: all the time. And so I remember I was like

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: hugging him tight and like trying to talk to him.

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: But then I don't totally remember what happened, but it

1130
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: was a very distinct, prominent, like hug holding type.

1131
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that happened. That's great.

1132
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was last night.

1133
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1134
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: Thanks for being my therapist today.

1135
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: Anytime, anytime, and comfort food and all of your guests

1136
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: today have some sort of trauma or some sort of loss. Yeah.

1137
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: So, you know it started out I had a lot

1138
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: of Bob's friends. I've had a lot of comedians, you know,

1139
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: whether it was Jeff Ross, John Mayer, Stamos, Dave Poolier.

1140
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: I actually have Candice this week.

1141
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: Cool actually tomorrow.

1142
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: And but then just a lot of other people who

1143
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: have gone through it's it's not always necessarily grief, but

1144
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: something difficult, like for instance, I had Jack Osborne on

1145
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: you know, he has ms, he went through a divorce, like,

1146
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: so everyone has something to bring to the table in

1147
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: terms of that they can contribute that can then help

1148
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: other people. So they're talking about how they got through it,

1149
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: but then they're also I'm asking them what was most

1150
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: helpful to them and least helpful to them. So this

1151
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: way people listening they know if they have a friend

1152
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: going through it kind of what not to do and

1153
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: what they should be doing in order to help them

1154
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: most effectively.

1155
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: That's a great, great point. All right, Well, thanks for

1156
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: being thank killing cool. Yeah. I wanted to get that

1157
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: Howard Stern thing in there for sure, because you know,

1158
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: obviously I'm a big fan and he uses that as

1159
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: like as Fred uses that as like a drop I

1160
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: don't know, very cool, very cool interview, what a strong person,

1161
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: you know. I think what I got most out of

1162
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: that was everyone has their own process when it comes

1163
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: to lass and grief, and we're probably a little too

1164
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: quick to judge on how someone might move on or

1165
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: handle themselves because it's such a traumatic situation. Our bodies

1166
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: go into a mode and you don't know what mode

1167
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: you're going to go into until you experience it, and

1168
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: hopefully no one has to experience it, but to pass

1169
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: any kind of judgment on somebody, Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous

1170
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: to me. And yeah, she was awesome. That was fun.

1171
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: That was fun. I think I'm good at this solo stuff,

1172
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm pretty good at the solo.

1173
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: Just keep the flow going, baby christ All right, love y'all.

1174
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: Peace album