WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Only Human

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<v Speaker 1>Hike and everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'm only human of flesh

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<v Speaker 1>and blood. I'm made audition as the Bengals dropped some passes,

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<v Speaker 1>caused the officials to drop some flags and wind up

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<v Speaker 1>dropping their second preseason game to the Washington football team.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, you'll hear radio replays from Friday's game, postgame

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<v Speaker 1>comments from players and coaches, and analysis from my broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>partner Dave Lapham. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by

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<v Speaker 1>bud Light. Seltzer refreshed the game, and here's a quick

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<v Speaker 1>It's the greatest thing since Joey Vado. I hosted a

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<v Speaker 1>talk show about a month ago and said something that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem very controversial at the time. Nobody called in

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<v Speaker 1>to argue, and listeners might have even thought I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go far enough. I said that Joey Vado, at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of thirty seven, was a middle of the pack

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<v Speaker 1>hitter among Major League Baseball first baseman, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to be over the final two years

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<v Speaker 1>of his ten year, two hundred and twenty five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar contract. I am happy to admit that the Reds

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<v Speaker 1>first baseman has not only forced me to eat a

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<v Speaker 1>heaping portion of crow, but he's forced me to reconsider

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<v Speaker 1>what he can still be in his late thirties and

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<v Speaker 1>early forties. As I record this podcast, Vado has hit

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen home runs in his last ninety one at bats.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a home run every five and a half times up.

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<v Speaker 1>And despite missing twenty eight games earlier this season with

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<v Speaker 1>a broken thumb, he's now in a pace to hit

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six homers and drive in one hundred five runs

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<v Speaker 1>this season. Every Vado at bat has become must watch TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of us assume that while his best

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<v Speaker 1>days were behind him, Joey could still somewhat productive at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of his career because he would at least

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<v Speaker 1>continue to get on base. Now, he looks like he

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<v Speaker 1>can still be one of the game's best sluggers. Joey

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<v Speaker 1>Vado's career ops that's on base percentage plus slugging average

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<v Speaker 1>ranks ahead of Hank Aaron Frank Robinson and Albert Poohole's,

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<v Speaker 1>among others. He's basically Wade Boggs with power, and like Boggs,

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<v Speaker 1>Joey Vado is going to wind up in Cooperstown. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to football and last week's win over Tampa Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals starting defense was only on the field for

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<v Speaker 1>one series, sacking Tom Brady and forcing a punt. On

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<v Speaker 1>Friday in Washington, the starting defense was on the field

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<v Speaker 1>for three series. The first ended with a punt, the

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<v Speaker 1>second ended with a fourth down stop near the red zone,

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<v Speaker 1>and the third ended with a takeaway. It's third down

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<v Speaker 1>in fourteen Fitzpatrick back to throw, has plenty of time

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<v Speaker 1>whistles won over the middle that catches made, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>short of the first down. Bengals picked up the ball

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the play. We'll see if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fumble or if the receiver was down before the

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<v Speaker 1>ball came out. Bengals are pointing like it's their ball

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<v Speaker 1>and the officials are going to confer. Sure enough, Logan

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson punched the ball out and Mike Hilton recovered the fumble.

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<v Speaker 1>Forcing turnovers is critical, but another stat is even more important.

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<v Speaker 1>To Zach Taylor zero points. You know, that's the one

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<v Speaker 1>that matters, you know, two games and Rosier points that

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<v Speaker 1>that's all I really care about. The fumble recovery led

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<v Speaker 1>to a short field goal by Evan McPherson, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was it for the Bengals offense in the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>There were penalties, there were lousy throws, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>drops by Jamar Chase. In fact, he dropped all three

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<v Speaker 1>passes that were thrown his way. Here are Zach Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>and Brandon Allen. We just expect our siperscutt the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>It's as simple as that, you know. I don't attribute

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<v Speaker 1>to any rhythm the balls coming at chup, catch it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what we need to improvement from. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>good player, and he's still getting his feet well with

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<v Speaker 1>the game experience in the NFL and all that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, I've seen him make some unbelievable

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<v Speaker 1>plays in practice and that'll translate it will He'll make

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<v Speaker 1>the He'll make the easy ones, and he'll make some

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<v Speaker 1>spectactic ones as well. So I'm not worried about him.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he I know what he can do and

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<v Speaker 1>what he will do once he gets going. The Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>trailed six three at the half before finally showing some

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<v Speaker 1>life on their opening drive of a third quarter shotgun snap.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan's throw back, shoulder throw, juggling, leaping catch penalty flags

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<v Speaker 1>are down on both sides of the field. Aud and

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<v Speaker 1>Tate went right over the defender to make that grip.

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<v Speaker 1>Audum Tate's eighteen yard catch on third and five was

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals' first third down conversion in seven tries. A

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<v Speaker 1>few plays later, they faced third and six. Alan waits

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<v Speaker 1>for the shotgun snap, catches the ball from Hill, looks

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<v Speaker 1>to throw his pass a slat caught by trend Irwin

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<v Speaker 1>inside the ten. Inside the five has the ball punched

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<v Speaker 1>out from behind, and Washington recovers at the one yard line,

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<v Speaker 1>David Mayo falling on the ball. It looked like the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals are going to have it first in goal inside

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<v Speaker 1>the five and Trenton Irwin had had punched out at

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<v Speaker 1>the four. There are two penalty flags near the goal line,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first one came out at the point of

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<v Speaker 1>contact where that ball was knocked away from Irwin. The

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<v Speaker 1>penalty was unnecessary roughness for a helmet to helmet hit

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<v Speaker 1>by former UC Bearcat Derek Forrest. Here's Trenton Irwin. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a blessing that there was a foul there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean I got to hold on the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just I was excited to get an end

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<v Speaker 1>zone there. But it all worked out, got the touch

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<v Speaker 1>down on the end it came I'm the next play,

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<v Speaker 1>Allan lines up under center, he runs a quarterback sneak,

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<v Speaker 1>gets shoved from behind, and it's a touchdown for the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals as Brandon Allen scores on a one yard quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>sneak and Cincinnati has the lead in the third quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>That made it ten six Bengals. But that was one

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<v Speaker 1>of only two rives all night where Cincinnati had more

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<v Speaker 1>than one first down out of rhythm. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>that's the key thing for me. You know, early on

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<v Speaker 1>we had a penalty on the first play the game

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<v Speaker 1>that set us back, and then they just played some

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<v Speaker 1>man coverage. On critical downs, you gotta thrown catch, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you don't thrown catch, I think we had some

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities that were there, and you're out there on three

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<v Speaker 1>and out, so again we don't convert those third down

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to get into a rhythm and get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to do a lot of things that we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do on the call sheet, and that was unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>That was frustrating. Those are things that we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to correct when we get home. Too many drops really

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<v Speaker 1>in the game as well, that was frustrating as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And then late in the game, just too many penalties.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there was a driver, we had a fall start,

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<v Speaker 1>we had an legal formation, we had a holding, we

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<v Speaker 1>had a snap on the wrong cadence, and we had

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<v Speaker 1>a fumble on the same play which they turned into

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<v Speaker 1>seven points. And so that's just the stuff that that

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<v Speaker 1>leaves us bad taste your mouth. And the snap on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong cadence turned out to be the key play

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<v Speaker 1>of the game. With a ten nine lead in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter, rookie tray Hill snapped the ball while the

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<v Speaker 1>other four offensive linemen stood there like statues shot gun

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<v Speaker 1>snap Shermer in trouble, manages to avoid a hit, but

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<v Speaker 1>now he's brought down. Paul pops out. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like Washington recovers. That led to a one yard

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown run by Jared Patterson plus a two point conversion

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<v Speaker 1>that gave the football team a seventeen ten lead. Fourth

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<v Speaker 1>Team quarterback Eric Dungee saw his first action in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals uniform and drove the team within the long field

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<v Speaker 1>goal range of McPherson from the right house. Huber with

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<v Speaker 1>a put down. McPherson with the kick length is not

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<v Speaker 1>a problem, and the kick is good as he hammers

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<v Speaker 1>one home from fifty yards away, taking another big step

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<v Speaker 1>toward winning the kicking job as a Bengals rookie. But

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<v Speaker 1>that was Cincinnati's last hurrah as Washington held on for

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<v Speaker 1>a seventeen thirteen win. Here's Allan on a rough night

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<v Speaker 1>on offense. I mean it starts with me not being

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<v Speaker 1>accurate with a lot of those passes, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>contested plays that I can put the ball in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot better aitions for the guys to at least make

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<v Speaker 1>a play on. I think I sailed at least two

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<v Speaker 1>out of bounds that I can think of on top

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<v Speaker 1>of my head that I can easily put those either

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<v Speaker 1>back shoulder, at least give a guy a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>make a play for me. So a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>starts to maybe being more consistent in getting them catchable balls.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it was just tough to find a rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>after that. I called Friday's game on the radio with

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<v Speaker 1>a good friend and a great broadcaster, the voice of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio State Buckeyes, Paul Keels. Dave Lapham had to

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<v Speaker 1>miss the game due to NFL COVID protocols. Lap watched

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<v Speaker 1>it on TV and join me for some postgame analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>How concerned should we be about Jamar Chase's drops. It's

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<v Speaker 1>something that went from the practice field to the playing field,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. That's that's the thing. It's like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>now it's happen. That has to be broken. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>question about that, and I think it can be. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's a you know, just focus on the details,

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<v Speaker 1>the final points, you know. And to have three of them, though,

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<v Speaker 1>three fur down balls that could have extended drives and

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<v Speaker 1>to go over is not a very good thing in

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<v Speaker 1>a very short time frame. Yeah, I'm worried that it

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<v Speaker 1>gets in his head a little bit. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>I will say for Jamar Chases, I don't remember ever

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a receiver, whether it's the fifth pick in the

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<v Speaker 1>draft or an undrafted free agent from a tiny college,

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<v Speaker 1>spend more time after practice catching balls off a jugs machine.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not a matter of not putting in the work.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this guy is incredibly dedicated, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>confident that he'll come out of it. I just hope

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<v Speaker 1>it's soon. I agree Dan, and I think the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing about him is he's extremely coachable. I mean, Coach

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<v Speaker 1>Walter's he's a sponge. Everything to Coach Walters is saying

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<v Speaker 1>he's taken in. It's not like he's, you know, shunning

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<v Speaker 1>coaching and you know, the other veteran receivers when they

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him, he seems to be willing to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody. So maybe he's just in a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a slump. I don't know if he's ever had

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<v Speaker 1>this issue before. Obviously he and Joe Burrow haven't experienced this.

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<v Speaker 1>When here at LSU, it didn't seem to have drops,

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<v Speaker 1>did not seem to be a problem back then, So

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully they'll they'll get remedied. Here it seemed like the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the reputation at LSU is unbelievably strong. Hands

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<v Speaker 1>there was no track record of the drop season there,

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<v Speaker 1>So again, hopefully this is a rookie who missed a year,

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<v Speaker 1>who's thinking about it a little bit too much, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully after a couple of good catches under game conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>That will be something we'll laugh about eventually. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think sometimes, you know, one happens, you start to press,

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<v Speaker 1>then the second one you press more, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think the best thing that happened was he was

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<v Speaker 1>done for the night, you know, in the early stages

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<v Speaker 1>of the football game. And I'm sure he was. He

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<v Speaker 1>probably had a long night the rest of the night

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it, and I'm sure coach was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>him about a Teammates were trying to encourage them and

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing is now just to go back to work,

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<v Speaker 1>put it behind them, and get onto the next preseason

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<v Speaker 1>game against the Miami Dolphins. So let's talk O line.

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<v Speaker 1>The starting guards in Washington or quintin Spain on the

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<v Speaker 1>left side, Xavier Sue of Philo on the right side.

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<v Speaker 1>So they went with the Vets. Those guys the first

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<v Speaker 1>team unit on the O line, only in for eleven snaps.

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<v Speaker 1>The offense wasn't very productive, but it's kind of hard

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<v Speaker 1>to fault the O line when you've got drops and

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<v Speaker 1>penalties killing drives. Yeah, and I guess the harbinger of

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<v Speaker 1>things to come was the very first play of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they bust Joe Mixon for sixteen seventeen yards

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<v Speaker 1>on the screen in Quentin, Spain is called for a

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<v Speaker 1>hold in space out there, and so that negated that play.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seemed like whenever they would get a trunk

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<v Speaker 1>play of some sort, just to kind of get them

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<v Speaker 1>off to schnide a little bit, a penalty were to occur,

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<v Speaker 1>be an illegal formation and then and then the penalties

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't want to have a you have a

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<v Speaker 1>veteran player that's highly respected, Riley Reith, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>false starts stuff, so that the mental the mental mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>the physical things, holding penalties, things that nature are going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. Guys are gonna get themselves in bad position

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and then you know the technique is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be compromised. But the mental errors not lining up properly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not remembering the snap count, the fumble that occurred,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was that was with Schremer. That was

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<v Speaker 1>basically the center of Hill. Trey Hill snapped the ball

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<v Speaker 1>account early, he forgot the snap count. Here comes the

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<v Speaker 1>pass rush, and you know, the whole thing's an aborted

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<v Speaker 1>play at that point. Then it's compounded by the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Schremer doesn't exercise ball security, But I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>two guys the battery, the center on the quarterback are

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<v Speaker 1>two guys that cannot forget the snap count. I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>It causes major issues. And they're the two that are

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<v Speaker 1>handling the football, so they have to be very very

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<v Speaker 1>precise with respect to the snap count. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>a tragedy that occurred. So it just seems like the

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<v Speaker 1>focus overall just just wasn't there for whatever reason. They

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<v Speaker 1>were just just to tick off in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being able to ca hone in on what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on that particular night. Going back to the Bengals first

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<v Speaker 1>offensive play, did Quentin Spain hold there? In your opinion?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, technically he had the hands inside the framework,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he grabbed the shoulder pad. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>is when cloth stretches, officials are going to throw the flag,

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<v Speaker 1>So you just have to be aware of letting go,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, it's one of it's it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where if you employ that technique and

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<v Speaker 1>a pass rush where you know there you were treating

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<v Speaker 1>they're coming up the football field, It's it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different than if you're in space and running laterally,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's faster, and he starts to pull away, and you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you retard his ability to run by by

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<v Speaker 1>grabbing even if visiting the framework. I thought, boy, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little ticky tack. But then when I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>different angle, he played the one that I thought the

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<v Speaker 1>official was looking at. I can see why the official

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<v Speaker 1>through the flag, but it was it egregious No, but

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<v Speaker 1>can it be called? Yeah? And it was. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Allen, by and large has had a very solid camp.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think he was very good in Washington. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a third down pass for t Higgins where he

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<v Speaker 1>was open early in the game. He missed him way

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<v Speaker 1>too high. Later, Trent and Irwin was open for which

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<v Speaker 1>should have been a third down conversion, missed him wide.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the drops by Chase a couple of those throws

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<v Speaker 1>weren't quite where they probably should be. It just not

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<v Speaker 1>a very good game in my opinion from Brandon Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. I think he fell into the category of

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<v Speaker 1>the entire offense. They just worn't sharp, you know, weren't

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<v Speaker 1>sharp physically mentally. It just they never got in a rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>They never never got anything, you know, a coordinated effort.

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<v Speaker 1>One player was the offensive line, another play it was

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback, another player was a wide receiver, and pretty

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<v Speaker 1>soon the damn has got holes sprouting all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have enough fingers to plug up all

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<v Speaker 1>the holes. So you just have that kind of performance

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully it's a it's a one time thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it happened in the preseason and they can get over

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<v Speaker 1>it move on. But it just there really really was

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<v Speaker 1>never any synchronization of all three phases, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of position groups quarterback, offensive line, running back, receivers,

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<v Speaker 1>four phase. It's just it just it was disjointed. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no question about it. All. Right, let's turn to defense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been great at practice and in the first two

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<v Speaker 1>preseason games, particularly the first teamers on defense have been outstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>They really have dan I mean, you look at it

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<v Speaker 1>in the first six quarters of of preseason football, giving

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<v Speaker 1>up a grand total they gave up the grand total

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<v Speaker 1>of four field goals, you know, and so that's number ones,

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<v Speaker 1>weren't that's ones and twos. I mean, they just they

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<v Speaker 1>really played very well. They gave up their first play

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty yards more in the first play of the

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<v Speaker 1>game because there was a brain cramp in terms of coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a there was a free free runner

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<v Speaker 1>tight end Thomas was running wide open and took a

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<v Speaker 1>five yard pass to a twenty six twenty seven yard

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<v Speaker 1>play whatever it was. But after that, they went back

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<v Speaker 1>to playing the type of defense that they they'd been

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<v Speaker 1>playing and uh and and really faced some adversity. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they have a great stop on fourth down,

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<v Speaker 1>oj Ogan Joby, I should say, um shows himself well

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<v Speaker 1>and that fourth down play and you know, you think,

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<v Speaker 1>boy that that that could be a spark for the offense.

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<v Speaker 1>What does the offense do one, two, three and out?

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, they don't answer with any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, they just didn't respond whatsoever. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>complimentary football, um, But you know, the takeaway by Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>was good guys. Guys that had been playing well in

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<v Speaker 1>the first preseeing game continued in the second. Arrius Hodge,

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Davis camp sample flashed and he's got that dinged

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<v Speaker 1>up shoulder. But it's encouraging to see, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>same guys like you mentioned Trent Irwin. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>made some plays for the second game in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>Jockos Patrick made some plays for the second game in

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<v Speaker 1>a row. Some of these young defensive players two games

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<v Speaker 1>in a row. So now they're they're not only stacking practices,

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<v Speaker 1>they're starting to stack games a little bit, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a good sign. I'm getting pretty excited about Darius Hodge.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I look at the roster situation on the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>line and I'm like, well, how does he make the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three. It's it might take an injury. They would

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<v Speaker 1>certainly keep him on the practice squad, There's no question

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<v Speaker 1>about that. But he's proving to be a pretty intriguing

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<v Speaker 1>pass rusher, and given the opportunity, I agree. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this kid, this kid's got something. Man, he's

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<v Speaker 1>got some explosive this He's got some juice. The thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>he did and I couldn't really see how many special

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<v Speaker 1>teams snaps that he was part of. He didn't. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't part of any in the first preseason game. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Darren Simmons was thinking about how am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to get him involved in special teams because well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very specialized thing to just be a switch

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<v Speaker 1>situational edge rusher and not be able to give you

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<v Speaker 1>anything else in terms of snaps, I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>making the fifty three. I'm talking about being active on

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<v Speaker 1>game day. So it's going to be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 1>if Darren Simmons starts to incorporate him a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in special teams against the Miami Dolphins and make

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<v Speaker 1>that part of the evaluation process. Speaking of special teams,

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<v Speaker 1>Evan McPherson took another step toward winning the kicking job

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty yard or late in the game that sword

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<v Speaker 1>passed the goalpost from fifty yards away, telling you, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>dude's got dynamite caps in his toe. It's unbelievable. That

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<v Speaker 1>thing explodes off that toe. And he does. He kicks

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<v Speaker 1>the ball straight. I mean he doesn't have you don't

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see his ball, you know, fading or hooking

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. And he kicks. He kicks a very straight ball.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're dealing with some potentially you know, bad

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<v Speaker 1>weather conditions in terms of wind and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Being knowing that boy I not only have to play

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<v Speaker 1>factor in the wind here, I have a natural draw,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a natural fade or whatever. Those kind of

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<v Speaker 1>things can be a little bit of an issue. He

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<v Speaker 1>cranks it straight as an arrow and I mean high.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, boy, he just that thing was just

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<v Speaker 1>a majestic looking shot. You know. He got it up

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<v Speaker 1>there quickly and it cleared. It would have been good

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<v Speaker 1>from between fifty five and sixty easily. It hit halfway

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<v Speaker 1>up the net. Was crazy. Almost a memorable night for Marcus.

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey almost had two interceptions. He had one briefly that

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<v Speaker 1>got reversed on replay and then he almost had another

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<v Speaker 1>one earlier than that. He's been having a good camping

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<v Speaker 1>and that was almost his breakout of preseason game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He was around the football, and that's another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a he's an example of the defense

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<v Speaker 1>that he's running to the ball, he's hustling and defense defensively,

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<v Speaker 1>they've gotten their hands on quite a few footballs and

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, eight quarters of football. Louanna Room and

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<v Speaker 1>all the coaches have to be excited about that. And

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<v Speaker 1>he obviously will be a big contributor special teams for

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Simmons with the athleticism that he has and he

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<v Speaker 1>has shown so I think that he's had a very

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<v Speaker 1>very solid camp. I can remember, you know, multiple times

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<v Speaker 1>during practices us looking at each other. You know, hey, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey made another play. Bailey made another play. It's not like, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>how's this happening in games because he hasn't been doing

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<v Speaker 1>it on the practice field. He has so a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of snaps for the second string offensive line in this game,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Prince left tackle, Michael Jordan left guard, Trey Hills, center,

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Jackson Carmen right guard. Fred Johnson is in right tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody catch your eye or did that unit stand out

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<v Speaker 1>in any way to you? I thought Trey Hill didn't

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<v Speaker 1>play anywhere near at the level that he played at

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<v Speaker 1>in preseason game number one in this preseason game, not

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<v Speaker 1>just the the ill advised snap in the ball early

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.440
<v Speaker 1>in the snap count, but he had he had other problems,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the line of scrimmage, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Fred had a typical first outing. There were some positives,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you know there were some head scratchers as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that was the situation up and down the

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<v Speaker 1>line of scrimmage of those guys. Um, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>they all show the ability to do it. When you

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<v Speaker 1>look at snaps, none other snaps, It's like, where did

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<v Speaker 1>that come from? So those have to be eliminated or minimized.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying you're not gonna be perfect every snap,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't, you know, you just you just can't

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<v Speaker 1>fall off a cliff almost from a from an execution standpoint. Um,

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 1>you know it's like, well then then coaches to wonder

0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.720
<v Speaker 1>can I trust you? And when is that they start

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<v Speaker 1>flinching and cringing on the sideline something bad. Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>due So and so's due for one of those brain

0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.000
<v Speaker 1>cramps or one of those play that comes out of

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere and you start to start to flinch about it

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and coaches aren't comfortable at that. So

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<v Speaker 1>until until that gets a self sorted out where everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is and you know, it's it's impossible. They're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be five robots up there that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be controlled by Frank Pollock with a joystick or anything

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.320
<v Speaker 1>like that. But um, you know they do have to

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<v Speaker 1>exhibit more consistency and uh and avoid the train wrecks.

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<v Speaker 1>So one preseason game left next Sunday afternoon at home

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<v Speaker 1>against Miami Dolphins. And the big question this week we'll

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<v Speaker 1>involve Joe Burrow. Will he get to play in that game?

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<v Speaker 1>We know the risk. We know the reason why he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't play. Can you articulate what the benefits would be

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<v Speaker 1>to get think Joe Burrow his wish and throwing him

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<v Speaker 1>out there for a few snaps. I think you know,

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>there are a few boxes left to check. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been on the football field since the injury, in a

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 1>game condition in the huddle, looking at his teammates and

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<v Speaker 1>getting the call from Zach Taylor in his headset and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, communicating that to everybody break the huddle

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to get up to the lines. Just to be in

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that environment again is a box that can be checked.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember the juice down there in Tampa when

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the Goat went out there for that series. I mean,

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>the place was excited. The last time they'd all been

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>together was a Super Bowl victory, and how sweet is that?

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And then when the Goat ran out there after winning

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.359
<v Speaker 1>a seventh Super Bowl, everybody went knots. I mean, the

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:48.360
<v Speaker 1>energy was pretty good, and I thought the Bengals really

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 1>responded that on the road. That was exciting to see

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals kind of respond to that type of scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what about the fan base here and Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow Trot's out there for the first year he's

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a place, will be off the hook. It'll be great.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh so, you know, to do that for the

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<v Speaker 1>fan base and to reward the players for you know, okay,

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>last preseason game, you've gone through a training camp. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>make it as good an environment as you possibly can

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<v Speaker 1>and um and then there are you know, there are

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<v Speaker 1>things you can do if you decide to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes sure that Joe's not tested whatsoever physically. If

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<v Speaker 1>you are fearful of that situation and hand the ball

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<v Speaker 1>off a couple of times and throw a screen past

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<v Speaker 1>to Joe Mixon and be very careful, and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go three and out, that's for sure. But

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to have a seven play drive where

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<v Speaker 1>you've got him taken a three or five step or

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<v Speaker 1>seven step drop whatever in the shotgun and pockets closing

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<v Speaker 1>around him and necessarily taking a hit. But I think, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Joe might even not be against that, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>although probably the organization and the coaches might be. But

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<v Speaker 1>that would be the final check box to be checked

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<v Speaker 1>is get hit and go to the ground, get up,

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 1>thush yourself off, yep, good and surgery held up. Everything's good,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go play. So it'll be interesting to see. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think if Joe's out there, he won't be out

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<v Speaker 1>there very long. And if they do go on multiplay

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<v Speaker 1>extended drive, I'm not sure you'll see him for that

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<v Speaker 1>entire drive. You know, he may he may come out

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<v Speaker 1>during the course of that drive. It may be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a cameo appearance with a curtain call and let

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<v Speaker 1>the fans go nuts again. It also might be the

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<v Speaker 1>first situation in football history where the quarterback lines up

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<v Speaker 1>in the shotgun twenty seven yards behind the center have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a howards the shotgun staff, Gray Hawkins is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to fire that thing about half a

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<v Speaker 1>football field. That's hilarious. They'll line up in like a pistol.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll snap it to somebody else who then relays it

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<v Speaker 1>backward to Joe and then he hands it off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a little little tier of like four players

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<v Speaker 1>just keep pitching it back to him. Well. I still

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<v Speaker 1>have mixed feelings as to whether I want to see

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow play against the Miami Dolphins, but I do

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>want to see Dave Lapham to my right, in the

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast booth. Hopefully NFL protocols allow you to be back

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<v Speaker 1>behind the mic this week. If it's not this week,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll certainly be the game after that. But we missed

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<v Speaker 1>you badly in Washington and looking forward to being back

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<v Speaker 1>together in the booth hopefully this week. Oh same here, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to you and Paul and you guys are you guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Are both You talked about some Dulsted tones. Man, you've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about unbelievable radio voices, and that was like, Wow,

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>this is like radio heaven. Dan Horde and Paul Keels

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 1>listening to these guys. Man, you guys did a great job.

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>And you know pros pros, There's no question about it.

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 1>And boy, I really missed it. I really missed being

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<v Speaker 1>there in the booth with you. And I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it that the first time or the last time

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<v Speaker 1>before this, and I watched the Bengals on TV where

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't on another you know, I simon covering another

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<v Speaker 1>football game or whatever, where I was actually at home

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<v Speaker 1>watching the Bengals play on TV. Was nineteen eighty five. Um,

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>that was that was the the after the USFL season

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty eighty four. Um, that's that fall season.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to games with my son and then watch

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<v Speaker 1>games on TV when they're on the road. That's the

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>that's the last time I watched the Bengals on television.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh started doing the games in the eighty six

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and haven't watched the Bengals game on television since then

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<v Speaker 1>until until this one against the Washington football team. And man,

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<v Speaker 1>it felt weird. I can tell you that weird. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six years from now, we'll let you miss another one.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one. Yeah, oh boy, yeah that thirty six years

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<v Speaker 1>from now. Man, I can't even I can't even think

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<v Speaker 1>about that. All right, Well, appreciate your time, see you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the info. Appreciate you, Dan. You best. That's

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