1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: What's going on everybody, DJ, Bucky here, I hope you're 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: having a great day. We are. We're jam packed things 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: talking about Buck. I feel like every minute there's a 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: new story that pops up that that grabs our attention. 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Definitely busy times here in the U and the end 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: season slash offseason portion of the year. Yeah, this is crazy. 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: We knew the hiring cycle, the coaches hiring cycle would 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: kind of pop after that first round of playoff games, 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: and man, has it popped like crazy. And it seems 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: like today is the day where everyone decided today wanted 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: to hire the hit coach. And so it has been 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: fast and furious this morning. And so we're talking about 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: all the news. We'll talk about the quarterbacks in the 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: top quarterback prospects with TWA entering the fray, and then maybe, 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: just maybe, if we have a lot time, we'll touch 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: on the division round playoffs. But maybe we'll talk about 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: that on they We'll see. Yeah, we've got plenty of 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: time to get into those. I do want to start 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: before we get into the new head coaches for the 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. And the New York Giants. Um, how about 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: how about the Cleveland Browns. Buck We talked about it 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: yesterday about Jim Schwartz potentially being a fit there, and uh, 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: news comes out last night their requests to get an 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: interview with Jim Schwartz. They listened to him. Now we 26 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: just need him to talk to coach Caldwell. I don't know. 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're listening. I'm just saying they might 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: be listening. We brought this up and it happened. Yeah, 29 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: someone in the view. They might be listening to the 30 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: one thing happened, another thing happened. So so but like 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: so DJ, they're they're really running out of names. Based 32 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: on what Jim Hassling had said that he wanted for 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: this coach. He wanted an experienced coach, a guy who 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: had um kind of done it in the National Football League, 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: so he's kind of done the song and dance. And 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: so when you look at the available candidates, I mean 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: you have Josh McDaniels. Uh, Jim Schwartz has emerged his one. 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: We talked about Jim Calwell, but I mean who else 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: is is out there? I mean I can't imagine. Uh, 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis kind of being in the frade. Like if 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: you're the Cleveland Browns and you want to experience coach, 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean your pool is really really thin. The good 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: thing is everyone else is kind of filled up the 44 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: dance card, Like everybody else is kind of in position 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: to um take those jobs and so they have everything. Yeah, 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: but the the the only thing about it is the 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: longer that you wait the Browns man, it's hard to 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: get the assistant coaches and that ultimately can undermine whatever 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: your here coach wants to do. So they kind of 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: need to make the decision quickly so they can get 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: the best assistance that they can to kind of build 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: a complete staff. But it is about getting it right. 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: And as you pointed out on the pod yesterday with 54 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz, Look, Jim Schwartz does have a good mix 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: of Look, he has the football background, he has the analytics, 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: um that he's all about. Look, he's a Georgetown graduate. Um, 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: he has used numbers and data uh to kind of 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: help him when it comes to being a head coach 59 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: and also as a defensive coordinator. UM. I think he's 60 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: probably wiser and smarter uh going into it. The second 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: time around, based on his experience with the Detroit Lions. 62 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: He took over and inherited a tough job in Detroit, 63 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: got them to a level where they played at a 64 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: playoff level. Uh had the young quarterback that he kind 65 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: of shepherded and helped him grow into being a franchise quarterback. 66 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: So there are definitely some positives when it comes there. 67 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I think the big thing whoever takes this job with 68 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: the personalities that are in that locker room. You gotta 69 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: have a strong personality and you have to be able 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: to kind of set the line very very clear in 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: the sand, and you have to be able to then 72 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: if they step over the line, you didn't have to 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: make sure that their consequences to those actions. Before we 74 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: can think about play caller and all that other stuff. 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: The guy who is in charge in Cleveland, he has 76 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: to be a leader. He has to have a clear vision, 77 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: and he has to be able to set the standard 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: next dictations for how his players are going to play 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: and perform on and off the field, no doubt. And 80 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: and one thing somebody brought up to me after listening 81 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: to the to the episode, which I didn't even make 82 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: this connection, Buck, I don't know how I didn't put 83 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: this together, but uh, Jimmy Haslum most people know is 84 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: the Nashville guy's brother was the was the governor is 85 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the governor. Uh in the in Tennessee. And you've got 86 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz, who you know, obviously his his reputation was 87 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: earned as a defensive coordinator there with the Tennessee Titans. 88 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know if there is a relationship between 89 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: him and the Haslams, but there is a Tennessee connection 90 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: there between them. Yeah, you know, like I do wonder 91 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: what that connection is like, uh, and and where they're 92 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: connected and how they kind of come to be. But 93 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, the only thing that troubles me about the 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns is the constant turnover and the instability. And 95 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: so I believe this is one where Swartz and his 96 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: representatives you have to almost make the deal like an 97 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: iron clad deal where it is so much money to buy, 98 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: it is so prohibitive that you have an opportunity to 99 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: really put your plan in place at least see it 100 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: through three years before they can pour the plug and 101 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: and think about doing something else. Um. I think that's 102 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the big thing. If if if I'm in play for 103 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown job. I want them to be very 104 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: vested in what division is and to give me the 105 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to see it through. I don't know if anyone 106 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: previously has really gotten the opportunity to see their plan 107 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: through to a reasonable a reasonable term to be able 108 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know what, this plan didn't necessarily work. 109 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: It's just hard to do a turnaround in a year 110 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: or two, no doubt. UM, I think it's gonna be 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: very interesting to see what they do. You brought up 112 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: a great point with the assistant coaches. They you know 113 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: that does you know, put an urgency there to get 114 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: this done so you don't lose out on all the 115 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: top assistance as they're all trying to play musical chairs there. Um. 116 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: I want to get to these two new hires here 117 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: in a second, buck. But one other point. I was 118 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: just thinking about this UM draft related when you look 119 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: at what we talked about yesterday, and we talked about 120 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: the the Detroit Lions potentially that number three pick being 121 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: a trade pick. When you look at the quarterback needy 122 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: teams being five, six and seven, right, that's five Miami 123 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Dolphins six to Los Angeles Chargers seven the Carolina Panthers, 124 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: who now have their new head coach, Matt Rule, which 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: will get to in a second Um. But I start 126 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: thinking they're, you know, the the Lions would have an 127 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: interesting decision to make because they've stuck with Matt Patricia 128 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: and Bob quinn Um, which makes me believe like there's 129 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: pressure on them to win right now. But if you 130 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: took a big picture look at it and said, you 131 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: know what if we if we took to h maybe 132 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna endure a down year here, maybe two. It 133 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: doesn't play this year we take to a you you 134 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: put Matthew Stafford on the block, you would fetch a 135 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: king's ransom for him if you decide we want to 136 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: kind of let's kind of let's take a little bit 137 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: of a longer term look at this thing. I'm not 138 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: saying I would do that. I think Matthew Stafford is 139 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: more talented than to ah, But I'm just saying, like, 140 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 1: that's those are discussions I think people you know don'tor 141 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: always understand this. The the smart thing to do if 142 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: you're running an organization is to vet out all these possibilities. 143 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: What does it look like if we do this, What 144 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: would be available to us. What could we do with 145 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: these resources we would accumulate When you take that money 146 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: off the books, Um, you get a cheaper rookie deal 147 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: for five years, allows you to build up the rest 148 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: of your roster, and you get a haul of picks. 149 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying I would do it, Buck, but 150 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying, that's an exercise I think the Detroit Lions 151 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: need to go through before we get to April. And look, man, 152 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: that's a really, that's an excellent exercise. Remember last year 153 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: DJ draft time, there were some rum links and some 154 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: conversations that maybe they would kick the tires on a 155 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: quarterback in the top ten when they took t. J. Hockinson, 156 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: that maybe if there was a quarterback there, like maybe, 157 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: just maybe they would explore the possibility of bringing one in. 158 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Not necessarily because they have fell fallen out of favor 159 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford, but look, he's an older quarterback. It 160 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: is better to get a young replacement or successor early 161 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: than late. Now you're at really what we call I mean, 162 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: you're a prime I mean you're in prime territory. Now 163 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: you're in the top five, you're sitting at number three. 164 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, they're four teams behind you that need a quarterback. 165 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: You also have something that you can offer in terms 166 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: of a legitimate franchise quarterback. And so there are a 167 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: couple of ways that they could go. They could pawn 168 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: off the picks so someone could jump up and maybe 169 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: take two one of the quarterbacks that they deemed to 170 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: be their guy. They could hold on to three and 171 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: trade out Matthew Stafford like you suggested. And Man, I 172 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: would have to think that Matthew Stafford would bringing back 173 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: at a minimum two ones, right, Like at a minimum 174 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: you have to be talking about two ones. And here's 175 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: here's my question. Here's my question. And I'm just pulling 176 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: this out of the sky here because I'm gonna ask 177 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: you to be the general managers. See if you can 178 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: do this. I don't have the draft order in front 179 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: of me, um, but I believe the Raiders are something 180 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: like what twelve and nineteen? I think two m if 181 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: you're the if you're just, if you're yes, I would 182 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think that would even be enough. 183 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that would even be enough. I think 184 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: it would cost you those two ones. And maybe it's 185 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: next year's you know, to ones and two. Maybe I 186 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean that's that's all of a sudden. Now, 187 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: if you're Detroit, if you really did, like you know, 188 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: to one, you felt he was healthy and you thought 189 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: you could move forward with him, man, you've got a 190 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: chance to add a lot of pieces. And I'm thinking 191 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: if I'm the if I'm the Las Vegas Raiders going 192 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: into a new building and I could trot out Matthew 193 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: Stafford that first game, because then I'd be thinking long 194 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: and hard about that one, because then it also plays 195 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: into like, Okay, so yeah, we give up to two ones, 196 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: and we may give up a two next year, but 197 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: then when we trade Derek Carr, we'll recoup some of 198 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: that stuff back. We may not get yeah, we may not. 199 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: You can find a partner. Yeah, we may not be 200 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: able to get the ones back, but we certainly can 201 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: get some two's and some threes for Derry Carr because 202 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: he's a proven quarterback. And look, whatever you think about him, 203 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: you think about him, but he has been a starting 204 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: quarterback in the league, and he would fall and maybe 205 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: the top twenty. When it comes to evaluating the quarterbacks, 206 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: the starting quarterbacks in the league, there is is a 207 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: value to that man, Man, you talk about getting into 208 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: trade left turn on this podcast. No no no, no, but 209 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: but like no, no, no, But I think it's I 210 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: think I think it's interesting, And I also think it's 211 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: interesting as we continue to talk about these new head coaches, right, 212 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: because some of these head coaches are going to a 213 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: Harry quarterback situations that they may or may not like. 214 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: And so then you have to make a decision if 215 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm starting off my tenure, do I want to even 216 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: start off like if I'm Matt Route, do I want 217 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: to start off with Cam Newton for another year before 218 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: I really get a chance to jump start to re deal, 219 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, like like some of those things. So all 220 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: of these guys have to do it. But I think 221 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: this Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions number three pick situation is 222 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: something that I'm sure we have to discuss on multiple 223 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: times because as the draft gets closer, I think it 224 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: will heat up conversations about that pick and potentially about 225 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: their franchise quarterback. Well, I want to jump into matt 226 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: Rule here and talk about that in the decision he 227 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: has to make. Now a lot of people are, you know, 228 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: talking about his success at the collegiate level. I've seen 229 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: people comparing him, you know what we've seen Chip Kelly, Um, 230 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, Steve Spurry or these different people try and 231 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: make this jump mixed results, and we've we need to 232 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: remind people. Look, he has some NFL experience, and he 233 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: has some NFL experience under a guy who's won some 234 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowls and Tom Coughlin. Uh. And we had a 235 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: chance to talk to Matt Rule about some of the 236 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: things he learned under coach Coffin. Will play a little 237 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: snippet of that right here. He spent so much time 238 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: with the players want on one and there's always kind 239 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: of this thing out there about coach Coughlin, Like you know, 240 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: he was a drill sargeant, but like he would meet 241 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: with Justin Tuck, and he would meet with Eli, and 242 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: he would meet with you know, uh, Keen Knicks, and 243 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: he wouldn't meet with those guys one on one and 244 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: and talk to them and that way they weren't everything 245 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: getting called out, but they were they were hearing his 246 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: message from him. And to me, you know, I always 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: tell early we hasked Earli about leadership. Always tell our 248 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: coaches and our players, you know, our message, your words 249 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: man like you know, like I'm gonna say it one way, 250 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, you say in another way and make it 251 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: way cool though, that's fine, but our message you are worse. 252 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: And that's their chance to that's their chance in the state. Coach, 253 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: I don't like that message. And so you know, whereas 254 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: I used to be a little bit more of you 255 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: know probably you know team meeting yellow and screamer on 256 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: the practice field that the men's still an intense guy. 257 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: But I spent a lot of times with my players. 258 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time one on one. I 259 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with two or three guys. 260 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: I watched the tap with the you know, the backup 261 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: left tackle, just one on one. And I learned that 262 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: from Coach Coughlan because he built amazing connections that way, 263 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: and you need that when you have go to a 264 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: place like New York where the media and the you 265 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: know that everything is, you know, everything is under the microscope. 266 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: He did it one on one and closed quarters, and 267 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: I thought it's would allow him to have a tremendous 268 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: amount of success. Well, Buck, you get a chance to 269 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: hear that back again, you could definitely hear the influence. 270 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: Um there with coach Coughlan, and I think Matt Rule 271 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: comes into this, uh a little bit more equipped than 272 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: maybe the average college coach would making this jump. But 273 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: to me, the biggest the biggest information that came out 274 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: of him um going to Carolina was the length of 275 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: the contract seven year contract worth up to I believe 276 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: seventy million dollars. Is what's what's out there, what's being reported. 277 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: And if you look at a coach rules track record, 278 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: the first year is rough. You know, the first year 279 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: he's taking over programs, it's been rough, and then the 280 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: second year they get up and rolling and then they 281 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: take off. And so to me, when you're looking at 282 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: the decision to make with Cam Newton, cam Newton is 283 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: your quarterback if your hell bent on on winning a 284 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 1: bunch of games and trying to be the best you 285 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: can be in the short term. I don't think that's 286 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: necessarily going to be the long term answer there for Carolina. 287 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: So if the contract length says long term, you're our guy. 288 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: If his track record says we're thinking long term, that 289 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: to me does not point to Cam Newton being with 290 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers next year. That's just me on the 291 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: outside looking in yeah. Like so, so here's the here's 292 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: the thing about the Cam Newton conversation. And I hear 293 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: people talk about the Cam Newton thing. But when I 294 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: look at the deal, DJ to deal is nineteen million dollars. 295 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: The deal is not making that much money. The deal 296 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: is half of what Russell Wilson is making. The deal 297 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: it like, I mean it, I mean it. It pals 298 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: in comparison to what Jerry Off and Carson Wentz and 299 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott will make. Um. I believe if I'm at rule, 300 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: I think you have an opportunity to a couple of 301 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: different things. I think you can hold on to Cam 302 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: Newton while ushering in a younger guy potentially. But I 303 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: think here's where it all hinges on. It hinges on 304 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: going to the conversation, having a chat with the director 305 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: of college scouting and asking him what do we think 306 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: about the quarterback class and are we confident that there 307 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: are one to three players in that class that would 308 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: be franchise players? Because if there are three players that 309 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: are franchise caliber in that class at the quarterback position, 310 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: I think you can move on from Cam Newton. You look, 311 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: you take all the ails and the losses and you 312 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: put yourself in a position to get Trevor Lawrence justin 313 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: fields whoever else may be in the class. Can you 314 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: imagine Trevor Lawrence in that in that market there? Know that? 315 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but you don't have to tell you 316 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: don't have to make sure you lose all of them. 317 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna have to. You gonna have to 318 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: make sure. Yeah, they may. I mean so because look 319 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna I mean unless something changes dramatically like a 320 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow emerges and uh it kind of takes over, 321 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: like he'll be the presumptive number one. But yeah, Matt 322 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Rule has to make a decision. But based on our conversations, DJ, 323 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: I think he's a long term planner. UM. I don't 324 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: think he deliberately tears down things like this would probably, 325 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: in my mind, be the best situation that he's inherited 326 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: because he does have some good players and those other situations. 327 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if he inherited UM a team that 328 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: was kind of ready built and ready to win. And 329 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Carolina is all the way ready to win, 330 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: but I think they are certainly competitive. UM, and so 331 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: he has to kind of way what is the best 332 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: way to set this up for long term success. Can 333 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: he rebuild while still winning. We saw the Seattle Seahawks 334 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: were able to do that with Russell Wilson, where they 335 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: completely flipped the team while having a quarterback there and 336 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: it worked for them. It just kind of depends on 337 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: how quickly he can assess where his team is, how 338 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: quickly he can kind of figure out what the landscape 339 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: is in the NFC South and what do we need 340 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: to do to eventually be the bully in that division. Yeah, 341 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see what he does, and 342 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: it makes us to see, uh staffing wise, Um is 343 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: this is this? You know, bring the uh you know, 344 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: fly to play down to Waco and and throw all 345 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: your coaches on there and take them all with you. 346 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that. Uh some more 347 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: NFL guys, Yeah, I know, but that's gonna be. It 348 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: will be fascinating whole thing together. God man, it it 349 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: will be fascinating. Because that was the reported issue with 350 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: the Jets when they was talking with them last year, 351 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: is they did not agree on on staffing. So I 352 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: gotta believe when you give him as as many years 353 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: and as much money as Caroline has given him. It's 354 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna be his call there on on what he wants 355 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: to put together staff wise. One other thing that I 356 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: wanted for all though, you know in our visits with 357 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: coach Rule go ahead. One thing that I do wonder, uh, 358 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: what do they do personnel wise now? Like because when 359 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: he has seven years, he has that kind of money, 360 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: He is in charge. So that mean does that mean 361 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: that Marty Hernie moves up in terms of a more 362 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: like a presidential role and then they bring another football 363 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: guy in? Um, how does Matt Rule want to handle 364 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: the personnel part of the organization. We've heard David Tepper 365 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: talk about one to kind of you know, uh become 366 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: forward thinking on that side of the building, the football 367 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: side of the building. So does that mean that they 368 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: have a uh an analytics based operation. Do they have 369 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: a kind of like an old school general manager type 370 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: that comes in knowing that Matt Ruin has the big stick. 371 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how they kind of retool 372 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: and rebuild their personnel side while also rebuilding their team. 373 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: The way I understand it is they're gonna bring in 374 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: somebody on the personnel side. Um, Marty Hernie is going 375 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: to be kind of elevated or you know, almost gonna 376 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: service is a liaison there with a new personnel guy 377 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: coming in. Marty obviously with the experience you know him well, 378 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: UM is able to really, um you know, work well 379 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: with a lot of different people. When I think he'll 380 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: be an asset whoever comes in. The only trouble will 381 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: be initially it sounds like it's not going to be 382 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: a general manager's title, So you're not gonna be able 383 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: to get people out of contracts because you're not gonna 384 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: have any authority over the fifty three, which is gonna 385 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: prohibit teams uh guys from being able to get out 386 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: from their existing deals. So that limits a little bit 387 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: of your field in terms of who you can go after. 388 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: But um, you know that'll be that'll be an interesting 389 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: higher and I'm sure coach rule will have a lot 390 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: to say with who that person is. Some of that 391 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: he wants to work with UM. But make no mistake, 392 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: we always we always talk about it, but people goes. 393 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: People always ask the question who has the jews, who 394 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: has the power? Every two weeks you'll find out. I mean, 395 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: that is a healthy chunk there for coach rule. So 396 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's got the uh, he's got the influence 397 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: there in the building. Oh, he definitely has all this 398 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: way in the building. I mean that that is a 399 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: that's a big check um that he has, and I look, 400 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: I think it's good man. He's one of the guys 401 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: that I've grown to redmire. I've grown to really respect 402 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: a lot from uh multiple interactions, the time that we 403 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: had him on the podcast interview them at the combine. 404 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: I really like the direction. I also like the fact 405 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: that I don't think he is a huge change from 406 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: Ron Rivera from a philosophical standpoint. So I don't know 407 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: if they have to completely blow up their roster to 408 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: kind of play to the vision that he wants to play. 409 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: Ron Rivera wanted a tough, physical football team. I believe 410 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: Matt Rule has said that that that's how he kind 411 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: of wants to play rough and tumble football. He has 412 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: a running back in place. Depending on what you think 413 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: about the quarterback. They got some young pieces, but at 414 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: least from a style standpoint, the personnel that he inherits 415 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: kind of fits the way that he wants to play. 416 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: He just has to make some tweaks and adjustments to 417 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: kind of really full out his vision. But look, I 418 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: like to hire. I thought it was a smart hire, 419 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: And I actually like the Carolina Panthers situation better for 420 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: Matt Rule than the New York Giant situation, which was 421 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: really really talked about a lot. Yeah, the the only 422 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: thing that that I would say the advantage of order 423 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: the Giant would be just that they have their young 424 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: quarterback going forward, whereas the waters are a little murky 425 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: there in Carolina. But again that's why you get seven 426 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: years on the contract. You've got time to kind of 427 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: sort that out. But everything I've heard when you talk 428 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: about ownership there in Carolina top notch. They're gonna have 429 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: new facilities. Um, it's a it's a full on commitment 430 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: there to do whatever it needs to be done, uh, 431 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: to be a sustained winner there. So I have a 432 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of belief there and coach Rule 433 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: that he's going to get that thing rolling in Carolina. 434 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: Um the job everybody thought he was gonna get buck 435 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: the New York Giants, Um, they announced their coach, they 436 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: go in a different direction. They go to New England. 437 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: But it wasn't for Josh McDaniels. It was actually uh 438 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: for Joe judge who man. When reading about him Buck, 439 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: I'll be honestly, I did not know a lot about him, 440 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: but reading up on him, you know long history. There 441 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: is a special teams coach was under Scotty O'Brien, who's 442 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: legendary special teams coach in the NFL for a long time, 443 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: Scottio and then UM and then this past year is 444 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: actually added the duties of receiver coach UH to his 445 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: to his mix there, so you have somebody's coaching special 446 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: teams and receiver's coach, which does remind a lot of 447 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: of of John Harball and his last UH. I think 448 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: it was last year or two years in Philadelphia under 449 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Andy Reid where he actually started coaching in the secondary 450 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: UM to go along with what he did on the 451 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: special team side, to make himself a little more well rounded, 452 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: you know, and men as a former special teams player, 453 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: like basically my entire career was just about playing special teams, 454 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: not necessarily on offense and defense. I really applaud the 455 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: move and I really hope that UM this begins to 456 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: kind of set off a different trend. I believe special 457 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: teams coaches have been overlooked as viable head coaching candidates, 458 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: and I believe what special team coaches can offer that 459 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator can offer is that 460 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: they are comfortable standing in front of the entire room 461 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: because they coach guys from both phases. They are the 462 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: ones who not only have to coach guys from both 463 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: sides of the ball, but they also have to instruct 464 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: the coaches, because we've seen it at practice DJ, when 465 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: you're the special team's coach, the special team coach will 466 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: have the wide receiver coach working with the gunners on releases. 467 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: He'll have the dB coaching working with the vice guy. 468 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 1: He'll have the linebacker coaches and those guys working with 469 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: the hold up guys and pardon, He'll have maybe the 470 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: running backs coach running with the working with the returners, 471 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: and so just and watching them manager practice, we see 472 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: their management skills in terms of being able to delegate 473 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: responsibilities to the staff, being able to tie it all together, 474 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: and then on game day, I think they are well 475 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: prepared to be game managers, understanding clock in situation, understanding 476 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: what we want to do. I think they have to 477 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: think about the game as a head coach before their 478 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: task with the responsibility of being the head coach. I 479 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: don't know much about Joe Judge, but I will say 480 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: this just from what he's been given from a responsibility 481 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: standpoint during his time in New England, I think he 482 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: should be well prepared to be the leader. Now we'll 483 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: see if it plays out, but I'm glad that they 484 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: finally tapped into the special teams coach market because I 485 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: believe it is one of the I think you can 486 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: find hidden gyms in that coaching carouse sale when you 487 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: go to the special teams coaches because there are a 488 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: lot of good guys who understand a lot more about 489 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: the game than just blay calling. I think they're better 490 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: prepared to be head coaches. All right, Buck, Two questions, Um, 491 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: over the last you know, twenty years, best coach in 492 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: college football is who? Well, I mean, you say you 493 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: could say Urban Meyers and you say Nick Saban, but 494 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: I would say ERB six, who's won six six six, 495 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: who's one of the most Super Bowls? Who's the best 496 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: NFL coach over the last twenty years? Mr Judge. Joe 497 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: Judge time at Alabama and time with New England, He's 498 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: had a chance to be around what most people would 499 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: agree the best two coaches, regardless of football A, regardless 500 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: of the level. For the last twenty years, this guy 501 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: has been impacted by both of them, had a chance 502 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: to learn under both of them. Um. Not a bad 503 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: resume to put together for guys thirty eight years old. 504 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: And I also love the fact, you know, so many times, uh, 505 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: people are always looking for that next job, Buck, they 506 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: don't handle their business. And when he was at a 507 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: lower level, UH and a lower role I should say 508 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: at Alabama to me, and I don't know this for 509 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: a fact, but I know a lot of guys like 510 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: this when they make the move from there to then 511 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: go into a you know, basically a q C job, 512 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: quality control job in the NFL with the team. It's 513 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: because those personnel have been on campus, Um, and you've 514 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: impressed them with with your interactions with them and what 515 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: you've done. So he obviously did something to catch the 516 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: eye of of Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots 517 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: group with what he was doing at Alabama, and he 518 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: was not in an elevated role. So that to me 519 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: is another example of if you just if you focus 520 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: on the job that you have, do a great job, 521 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: treat people the right way. Not only do people in 522 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: your building notice people that come into your building from 523 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: the outside, they notice as well. Yeah, I think they 524 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: do notice as well. And look, I didn't know about 525 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: the Alabama connections. I think it's great for you to 526 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: bring up the Alabama New England connection. Um. I think 527 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be learned, and that you talked 528 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: about him kind of being a worker, b Um. Being 529 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: a work would be doing all the grunt work for 530 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: Nick Saban, doing a lot of the grunt word for 531 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, then ascending to being the special team's coach 532 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: and the wide receivers coach. Look, man, the one thing 533 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: that we know, both of those guys are task masters. 534 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: They put a lot of responsibilities on everybody in the building, 535 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: particularly the lower level people. They also teach you how 536 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: to coach. The one thing that Joe Judge has to 537 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: prove to everyone is that he can be his own guy. 538 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: That he doesn't try to come and stand in front 539 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: of the room and become Bill Belichick or Nick Saban. 540 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: The guys who have struggled that have come out of 541 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: New England were guys that try to be like Bill Belichick. 542 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: They try to do the same things without really doing 543 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: it within their own personality. If he can take all 544 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: of the wonderful things that he learned from New England 545 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: and Alabama, but presented in a package that is his, 546 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: that is real and authentic, he can have success. But 547 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: if he goes up and he tries to copy those 548 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: that have influenced him, then he will have a struggle 549 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: because we have seen it. Players have a tough time 550 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: when they can sense that this isn't who you really are. 551 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: He just has to be himself. If he does that, 552 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: he could do a really good job in New York, 553 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: no doubt well too ma interesting then on the college level, 554 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: Mississippi State was a job that a lot of people 555 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: thought that Joe Judge was gonna take because he had 556 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: played there. That job still remains open now. Baylor's open 557 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: after Matt Rule left, so we'll see, maybe we see 558 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: some NFL guys go down to the college level here 559 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: For those two jobs, I want to touch on the 560 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: storyline dj the Baylor job right um. The Banner job 561 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: is interesting to me because Matt Rule had done a 562 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: really good job of not only building it up, but 563 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: he had done a really good job with recruiting. I 564 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: wonder if your bailor administration, where do you go from here? 565 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: Because he's done a really good job of getting them 566 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: to kind of play in his own image. Where does 567 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: that next coach come from? Because if the next coach 568 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: does he change what has been really working well for Baylor? Like, look, 569 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: I I can't fall the guy for leaving to take 570 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: what he perceives to be a better job, but man, 571 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: I think it does have to put Baylor in a 572 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: bit of a buyd at this late stage of the process. Well, 573 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: I think two things. Number One, I don't know, you know, 574 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: that was probably the ceiling you know for Baylor for 575 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: sure to do this year. They were, you know, whisper 576 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: a whisker away from being in the postseason. So strike 577 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: why the iron's hot? I get that if you're Matt 578 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: rule Um, But I thought, you know, with the Big 579 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: twelve being as past happiness wide open and Baylor had 580 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: a lot of speed. He talked about that with us, 581 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: how he built his team around speed, but he he 582 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: installed a little bit of toughness there in some defense, 583 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: uh defensive mentality into that program, which I think we 584 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: always talk about. You zig when everybody else is zagging, 585 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: and that's a conference. It's all an offense, offense, offense, 586 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: and he did a nice job of instilling some toughness 587 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: and building up the defense. So to me, I I 588 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: don't go out and hire somebody that runs the air 589 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: raid or somebody's gonna you know that that that is 590 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: like everybody else in the Big twelve. You've got to 591 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: find somebody has a little bit of that toughness gene 592 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: that Matt Rule uh placed into that program. That to 593 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: me is the profile for what you need to look for. Yeah, 594 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's it'd be interesting. It'd be interesting to see. 595 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: It'd be also be interesting to see what the pool 596 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: to kennidates look like for both of those jobs Baylor 597 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: and Missy State. Missip stage job is a hard job. 598 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard sometimes to attract Kennedy's down there 599 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: just because Starkfield or whatever. Uh. And then Baylor, I 600 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,239 Speaker 1: think you you look at that job and you think 601 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: that might be a prime job because the Big two 602 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: of does seem like it's coming back to the pack, 603 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: and Bailey has an opportunity maybe to have some stay 604 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: in power. Can we make an executive decision here, Buck, 605 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: I know we were talking about preview on some of 606 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: these uh, these playoff games for the weekend. But we 607 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: have another show coming up on Thursday? Can we punt 608 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: that to Thursday? And we talked about some of these 609 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I think we should. Yeah, let's let's 610 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: put on that. Let's talk about, um, some of these 611 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: kids that are in entering the draft, some of the 612 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and stuff. I know you wanted to touch on 613 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, so once you want you to take us 614 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: off right there? Well, look, man, like just starting with two, 615 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: I think what's fascinating about this quarterback class? Uh DJ 616 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: I still think that it's kind of like the Big 617 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: two plus one, right, So we'll lump these guys as 618 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: the top three. Um, two, Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. 619 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: And I think everyone will say that, look, Joe Burrow 620 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: and tour Um may have some separation, um um Justin Herbert. Uh. 621 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: When you think about two of uh, I think the 622 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: thing that is fascinating to me about two is, Look, 623 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: the injury history is what it is. He has had 624 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: a series of ankles. Uh, he had a knee, he's 625 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: had to hip. But when you look at the talent, 626 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: I think the talent is undeniable. I think if I 627 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: had to rank these three in terms of just pure talent, 628 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: I think he's the most talented of them all. Uh, 629 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: yesterday you talked about his arm strength and and maybe 630 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: not being like what it is a strong arm. But 631 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,239 Speaker 1: I think he has more pace on his ball than 632 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, and I think he has more pace on 633 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: his ball than Justin Herbern. And his compact release, which 634 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: is unconventional to me for a left hander. The ball 635 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: comes out and it comes out white hot, and it 636 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: comes out on time. When he plays and he is 637 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: protected and he's in the pocket, he absolutely deals. I 638 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: will say the one thing that I worry about is 639 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: two is a third year junior game experienced wise, though 640 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: because of the injuries and became as of how he 641 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: kind of earned a job kind of late. I mean 642 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: that's really that freshman year, but like sophomore year, he 643 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of game experience, like the kind 644 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: of game experience that leads you to believe, like, Okay, 645 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: I know exactly what I'm getting from him, but I 646 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: do believe the ceiling is high if healthy. I do 647 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: believe he has some of that Drew Brees in his 648 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: game in terms of how he can play it. I 649 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: know there'd be some comparisons to Russell Wilson. I don't 650 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: know if he moves like Russell in terms of like 651 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: how smooth he is, how explosive he is. UM with that, 652 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: I think he at his best is a guy that 653 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: maybe can grow and become a Drew Brees like player 654 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: that can deal from the pocket. Yeah. I really like him, man, 655 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: I do. And I know there's some people are split 656 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: on him, but I just watched I I've gotten big 657 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: into this. Just urgency and twitch and suddenness in the 658 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: pocket has just kind of been my thing I've been 659 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: looking at over the last you know, five years, when 660 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: you look at guys that have really been successful. He's 661 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: got that. He's got that twitch. Now the hip hopefully 662 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: he can get back to what he was. That's an unknown. 663 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how to speak on that. Not a doctor, um, 664 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: so you have to rely on the medical people for that. 665 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,239 Speaker 1: But I went to the checklist the other day, I mean, 666 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: to me, the quarterback checklist. He's he's pretty darn impressive 667 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: in all those areas accuracy, uh, poise, decision making, leadership, work, ethic, um, 668 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, playmaking, ability, Those are all kind of the 669 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: key things I look for at the position, and he 670 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: checks all those boxes. Um. Now, he's not the biggest 671 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: guy in the world, um, you know, but we've seen 672 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: that that kind of uh that that stigma kind of 673 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: go by the wayside here the last couple of years. 674 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I really really like him, Buck. 675 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a very efficient, effective passer. 676 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: I know the knocks on them people I just throw 677 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: slants all day long. Well, turn on some NFL football 678 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: and watch what they're doing right now because it's a 679 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of the same stuff. Make a quick decision, get 680 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: the ball out of your hands, be very accurate with 681 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: the football. And that's what he is. He's not. He 682 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: is not gonna wow you with Pat Mahomes Josh Allen 683 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: type you know, arm talent, arm strength, whatever you wanna 684 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: call it. He didn't have that type of our. Um. 685 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: But he's gonna slice and dice you, um, ten fifteen 686 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: yards at a time. Yeah, And I think that's why, 687 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: Like when I look at him, I see him playing 688 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: in a Sean Payton type offense where Drew Brees has 689 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: really been great and masterful at the ten and under game, 690 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: really work in the intermediate party of the game, and 691 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: really that's really where most of the people kind of 692 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: buttered at bread being able to efficiently carve up defenses. UM. 693 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: I believe he is well suited to be able to 694 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: do that, And so that brings me to Joe Burrow 695 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: because I think just year Joe Burrow has also seen 696 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: shown similar traits in terms of being able to carve 697 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: up defenses um, working horizontally and also vertically. UM. I 698 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: think his ability I kind of wrote in my notes 699 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: when I was studying him, Man, he is the master 700 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: of the r P O game. I don't know if 701 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: I've seen a quarterback that gets it as well as 702 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: he gets it, maybe since Deshaun, Because I feel like 703 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson really understood the r p O game in 704 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: terms of really playing uh manipulation game with that hang defender. 705 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: I think Joe Burrow really understands that really really well. 706 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: I think he is athletic enough to also utilize um 707 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: his legs to be a factor on the zone read 708 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: r p O game where he can kind of pull 709 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: it uh three, four or five times a game and 710 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: make some plays. Uh. You and I have talked privately 711 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: about man his poise, and how cool and calm he 712 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: is within the pocket um. I think it's a star 713 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: contrast from what he showed his junior year to being 714 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: able to show his senior year how he's very, very 715 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: comfortable in the chaos and the trafficking. Once or twice 716 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: a game he makes a play because he understands where 717 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: it's coming from. He can slide, maneuver, elude and evade 718 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: and make plays and then look, he's deadly accurate, and 719 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: so all of those things really come out. I think 720 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: the thing that kind of makes me pause just a 721 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: little bit is just because it is such a drastic 722 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: jump from one year to the next that it's just 723 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: scary as an evaluator to kind of wonder what is 724 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: he going to get and until you're able to really 725 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: talk to the coaches down there and to get a 726 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: sense of, well, what happened from junior to senior year. 727 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: How big of an influence was Joe Brady bringing in 728 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: some offensive concepts that really helped him. How much of 729 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: it was Joe Burrow really developing and kind of doing 730 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: all the dirty work to become a great player. And 731 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: I think once you kind of get all of that 732 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: and you can kind of switch it around and kind 733 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: of figure out, um, what to make of it and 734 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: what will continue to happen going forward, then I think 735 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: you can put an accurate assessment or a solid evaluation. 736 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: To me, is still TBD. I know he's really good. 737 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: I just don't know where I would put him in 738 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: terms of like that final grade. Yeah, he's gonna beat 739 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: you with his anticipation. He's gonna beat you with his awareness. 740 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: He's not gonna beat you with his arm like. That's 741 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: just that's how he's going to play. And we've seen 742 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: guys be very successful playing that way. It's just you know, 743 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: I think we we've seen you know, you look at 744 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: at Carson why you know I mentioned you know, you 745 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: see Josh now and you see Patrick mahomes Um, and 746 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: even I would say de Shan has A has a 747 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: much stronger arm uh than Joe Burrow. These guys can 748 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: These guys can wait a little bit. Joe Burrow is 749 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: not gonna wait, which means he's gonna have to be 750 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: comfortable in the system. Put him in the right system 751 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: where he can be comfortable and he knows where guys 752 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: are gonna be, and then he will beat you with anticipation, 753 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: timing and touch. Um. That's just the way he plays. 754 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: But I'm I'm also when I look at these top 755 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: two guys buck everything I've heard, the competitiveness that they bring, 756 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: the leadership um, that kind of alpha mentality that we 757 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: talk about, that's who these guys are. Both these guys 758 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: and they come in and they change the temperature of 759 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: the room a little bit um with with their leadership 760 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: style and presence. And that to me is it's not 761 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: It's not underrated, man. I mean, it's not overrated. That 762 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: that is a real real deal. And you talk to 763 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: people around the league and you talk about what they 764 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: want at that position, they want that guy to have 765 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: that at in fact or whatever you want to call it. UM. 766 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: Both of these guys have it, and they have it 767 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: in spades. It's funny because on the elite of leven Tour, 768 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: we call those guys that change the temperature in the room, 769 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: we call him thermostat leaders um guys that when they 770 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: step in it changes like it gets a little warmer, 771 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: it gets a little hotter, because they create the pressure 772 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: in the environment that enables guys to play at a 773 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: higher level. UM. And I can speak really about two. 774 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: Having known to having coached him in high school, I 775 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: can tell you unequivocally he's one of the best leaders 776 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: I've ever been around in terms of watching him lead 777 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: in his own way and getting guys to kind of 778 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: fall in line. Great leader, great person, does all those 779 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: things um In terms of what I've heard from people 780 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: that have been around the l s U program, and 781 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: even I know how your state about Joe Burrow, he 782 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: also is that ultra competitive, great worker. When you look 783 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: at the interactions you and I have talked about how 784 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: big it is to go to games and watch how 785 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: teammates respond to the quarterback, and where does the quarterback 786 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: go in between breaks? Does he go and hang with 787 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: the fellas as he by himself. Do you see him 788 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: interact and engage The love that us you has for 789 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, the love that his teammates, the genuine affection 790 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: that you see them display towards him after he wins awards, 791 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: after he does great things on the field. To me, 792 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: that's real and that matters a lot, and so I 793 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: am more likely to believe that he can continue to 794 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: carry those connections to the next level. But with both 795 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: of these guys, I do believe system matters for both 796 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: of them. Um, they need to play in the right 797 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: system to enhance what they do. And I think, look, 798 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a big concern because we've seen the 799 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: league has been more willing to bend to the young quarterback. 800 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: And I think it's just very very important that whoever 801 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: inherits or takes these guys, they have a clear plan 802 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: in place to really play these guys the way that 803 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: they've played in college, so they can replicate their success 804 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: as pros. All right, the last one here justin Herbert 805 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: and talking to somebody in the league the other day, 806 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: they brought up a great point with him. A lot 807 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: of people were kind of setting their ways on Herbert, 808 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, coming down the stretch. The last two games 809 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: change some things. And the reason was they finally cut 810 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: him loose and let him run, called some design runs, 811 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: and now people are saying, Okay, we can expand our 812 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 1: playbook a little bit with his ability in his athleticism. 813 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: He just didn't have him do it, which was baffling 814 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, they look, they won the rose Ball, 815 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: had a great year at Oregon, but man, he's a big, 816 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: sturdy guy. He could have taken some more punishment there. 817 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: He could absorb that as a Russier and could have 818 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: been um more explosive and dynamic as a player because 819 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal athlete. They just didn't ask him to 820 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: do it. But him showing that he could do that 821 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, I think it's caused 822 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: people to go back and re evaluate a little bit, 823 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people were kind of, 824 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, I like him, I don't love him. Um. 825 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: I think he did really help himself at the end 826 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: of the year with what he did with his legs 827 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: DJ doing it in the middle of the Rose Ball 828 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: I said that the Rose Bowl performs in the last 829 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: two performances would impact Justin Herbert more than any other player. 830 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: And part of it was because we've seen him do 831 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: things that we hadn't saw him do. We didn't watch 832 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: him do the entire year now and talking to the 833 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: Oregon people, they didn't have a backup quarterback that they trusted, 834 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: and when he got hurt a year ago or a 835 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, when they had to go to 836 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: the backups, it wasn't good. And so part of the 837 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: reason why they didn't really run him. They couldn't afford 838 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: to put him in jeopardy where they would have to 839 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: put the quarterback two on the field. And so what 840 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: we saw is, but now when you reached the pactor 841 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: of title game, all best off, we're trying to win 842 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: the championship. When you get to the Rose Bowl, it's 843 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: go time. And I think because of the way that 844 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: he played in go time, to me, I was like, 845 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: oh okay, I could see him doing some things and 846 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: the Rose Ball look, man, he was at about fifty 847 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: percent completion rate. But the toughness that he displayed, the 848 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: athleticism that he displayed, the leadership that he displayed to me, 849 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: earned him far more points than he would have earned 850 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: if he was for four hundred yards. I just believe 851 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: that some people will look at the success that Drew 852 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: Lock had and say, you know, if we put him 853 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: in the same kind of system that Shanahan Kubiak stretched 854 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: boot um play action, get on the edge, simple reads, 855 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: but utilizing the athleticism that he displays. I absolutely believe 856 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: that Justin Herbert could be a frontline starter and can 857 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: have success. I just believe with all of them, but 858 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: even maybe him more than the other two system fit 859 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: is very important for Justin Herbert, and I'll throw another 860 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: bonus thing. It's not only system fit. I would say 861 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: coaches temperament. I don't know, and don't ask me where 862 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: I get this from. I don't know. If he can 863 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: have a hard gruff in him coach to lead him, 864 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: and I don't know where that comes from. But my 865 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: observation is I want someone that can nurture him and 866 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: kind of bring out that thing because he's already introverted. 867 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: I want him to be very very comfortable in his 868 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: skin and lead in his own way. Well, I uh, 869 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Did you see this, by the way, 870 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: did you see the video of him looking at the 871 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: the video of Joey Harrington? Did you see that? Yes? 872 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: I did see that. I did see that because because 873 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: he had in the league and he was like look yeah, 874 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: and Joey Harrington looked. And you gotta understand, Herbert grew 875 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: up in was big and Joey Harrington that was the guy. 876 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: That was the guy. So I think from a national standpoint, 877 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: because somebody was saying somebody I was talking to was 878 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: a big Joe Burrow guy and they weren't a big 879 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert guy, and he brought up he's trying to 880 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: be funny. He was like, look, Joe Burrow cried after 881 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: he was hoisting up the Heisman Trophy, and Justin Herbert 882 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: cried when he got a video from Joey Harrington's like, 883 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm morbor Joe Burrow guy. But but I 884 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you gotta understand, Joey Harrington is a 885 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: big deal up there the Pacific Northwest. But it was 886 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: I think for people that don't know the background, they're like, man, 887 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: Joey Harrington has moved this guy to tears, Like that's 888 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: Joey Harrington hasn't made anybody crying a long time. And 889 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: that was for a different reason. I know, I know it. 890 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: I thought it was really cool. Um, look, I would 891 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 1: equate what uh Justin Herbert his affinity for Oregon was 892 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: probably my affinity for North Carolina. And so if I 893 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: had gotten a thing from Lawrence Taylor when I was 894 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: shed Wallace make you cry, No, he didn't meet him. 895 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: Maybe because we're peers, we're teammates. However, However, if if 896 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: Kenny Smith or if Michael Jordan had sent me a 897 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: personalized video, I might have been a I might have 898 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: I might have Sam perkilled up Sam Perkin's Yeah, that's 899 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: that's all My crew like that. That's the same thing. 900 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: So I can understand and relate to Justin Herbert being 901 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: excited about Joey Harrington because on the ABC piece what 902 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: they also showed they showed Herbert and his brother and 903 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: Joey Harrington jerseys, and so for it to come full circle, 904 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty cool. Well, there you go, 905 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: Well that was I was fine. D I work thro 906 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. I've started to work on Easton a little bit. 907 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: Who's got a lot of talent there at Washington. We'll 908 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: see what happens with some of these other decisions. I 909 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: would imagine Jake From is gonna come out. Um, he 910 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: hasn't meant not made a decision as we're recording this, 911 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: But Buck, when you started forty plus game times, his 912 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 1: whole offensive line is gone, his offensive line coach left. 913 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean as running backs gone, He's here's plenty to 914 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: evaluate there. You kind of know what Jake From is, 915 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: for better for worse. You like him, you don't like him. 916 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't really see how that changes. Uh, if he 917 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: goes back to Georgia, but we'll see what his decision 918 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: is and what he makes. But he'll factor in there 919 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: at some place. Yeah, he he definitely will factor in there. Um. 920 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting, right because that that tier below what we 921 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: call the top three. You're trying to figure it out, right, 922 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: because you got Jacobs and we have Jake From, you 923 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: have Jordan's love, Um, you have those guys in the conversation. Um, 924 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: you just kind of wonder where he fits. I don't 925 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: know what the ceiling is, like, how high that ceiling 926 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: is for Jake From, And I don't know if he 927 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: would benefit from from going back. Um. You know, it's 928 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: a tough one because man, when you lose all your 929 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: people around you, gosh, man, he could look he could 930 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: look bad while being a better player. He could look 931 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: like a worse prospect, a lesser prospect despite being a 932 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: better player. Uh. And it just does to show up 933 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 1: because he doesn't have the weapons around all right, Buck, 934 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: let's let's let's wrap this thing up. Man, We're gonna 935 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to these playoff games on our next episode. 936 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: We'll preview those. Uh, plenty of time to do that. 937 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: But I did up a lot of fun today talking 938 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: about these coaches. Uh, the decisions that have been made 939 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: for the Carolina Panthers and the New York Giants. They 940 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: have their guys going forward, as well as talking about 941 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: these college quarterbacks. Fun episode today, but now a lot 942 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: of fun. Man. I'm looking forward to really digging down. 943 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: We talked about keeping the main thing the main thing. 944 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: Now that the calendar is flipp and we're beginning to 945 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: fast forward, uh quickly to the draft, should be a 946 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: lot of fun to talk about these prospects. I think 947 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: this is a very very good class one that has 948 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: a lot of sex appeal, uh for the for the fans. 949 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: There you go. Uh. Fun fun episode today. I hope 950 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed it. Thanks and the Bill for producing 951 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: this bad Boy. We'll be back with another episode where 952 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: again we'll preview the playoff games this upcoming weekend. Thanks 953 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: for listening to move the sticks. We'll see you next time. 954 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: I want to do what you want. You won't have 955 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: got before to love