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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Wow, talk about a cool mom.

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Speaker 2: Oh this woman, a California mom, accused of hosting highly

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Speaker 2: inappropriate Well, okay, you say tomato, I say tomato. You

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Speaker 2: say inappropriate gatherings. I say felony child mistreatment, felony child abuse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I call it.

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Speaker 2: A California mom accused of hosting inappropriate gatherings for her

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Speaker 2: fifteen year old son and his friends, including lots of alcohol,

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Speaker 2: luring fourteen year old girls to her four points seven

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Speaker 2: million dollar Los Gatto's residents, and encouraging sex between the teens.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I would call that a cool mom.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is he Grace? This is Crime Stories. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for being with us here at sirius XM one eleven. Wow,

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Speaker 2: cool mom. You know when I think of cool mom,

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Speaker 2: I think of the Lindsay Lohan movie, one of her

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Speaker 2: great Mean Girls, that was the name of it. And

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Speaker 2: you have the cool mom who tried to be one

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Speaker 2: of the teens and encouraged them to misbehave.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is so much more than that.

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Speaker 2: This woman, Shannon O'Connor, accused of luring fourteen to fifteen

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Speaker 2: year olds to her multimillion dollar home in Los Gatos

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Speaker 2: has now been busted, reportedly with her internet searches. Why

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Speaker 2: the people still make incriminating internet searches? What's incriminating? Quote

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Speaker 2: good books with young sex? Okay, I don't like that

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Speaker 2: right there? Quote hot sixteen year old teenage girls?

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Speaker 1: Don't like that? Quote prettiest sixteen year old girl.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, would any raunchy list be complete without

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Speaker 2: quote tits and ass? I mean, really people are still

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Speaker 2: saying that Seriously anyway, it takes on a whole new

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Speaker 2: meaning when you know it's a mom of a teen

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Speaker 2: boy who hosts parties at her home constantly for teens.

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Speaker 2: That serge would have me disturbed, but I'm sure the

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Speaker 2: other moms and dads didn't know about it. Her phone

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Speaker 2: allegedly also contained videos that have been downloaded from various

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Speaker 2: media platform social media, including TikTok, depicting young girls in

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Speaker 2: skimpy clothing. Okay, also young girls appearing to be underage

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Speaker 2: dressed in revealing clothing. Now, I don't know that any

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Speaker 1: In legal documents quote when.

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Speaker 2: Defendant was the rest that her phone was recovered and

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Speaker 2: searched the following. Google's searches relevant to her charges of

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Speaker 2: annoying or molesting a.

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Speaker 1: Child were found on her phone.

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Speaker 2: Good books with young sex, hot sixteen year old teenage girls,

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Speaker 2: prettiest sixteen year old girl, and of course titsnas. Gosh,

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Speaker 2: this woman. Can you imagine looking on your mom's iPad

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Speaker 2: and seeing those searches?

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Speaker 1: Okay, what more.

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Speaker 3: Do we know?

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Speaker 2: The so called party mom facing thirty nine criminal accounts

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Speaker 2: of felony, child endangerment and sex battery, some of the

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Speaker 2: victims as young as thirteen. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 4: The first complaint about Shannon O'Connor to Los Gato's High

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Speaker 4: Shannon Bruga or O'Connor buys alcohol for teenagers. My daughter

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Speaker 4: overdosed on edibles then entering. Principal Paul Robinson responded the

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Speaker 4: the police. Two months later, February seventeenth, a different parent

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Speaker 2: Middle school student, fourteen year old girls going to sex

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Speaker 2: and booze stoked parties, and criminal contact by the cool

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Speaker 2: hey with me at all Star panel? It makes sense

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Speaker 2: to go to Drew Penner, investigative reporter with the losgotten newspaper.

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Speaker 3: Drew, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Who is this quote?

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Speaker 3: Cool mom?

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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound cool to me, it sounds criminal. Does she

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Speaker 2: have a child?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely. This is Shannon O'Connor. And she has

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Speaker 5: Shannon Amarol. But she is a local woman here from

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Speaker 5: the Los Gatos area and that's in Silicon Valley, and

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Speaker 5: she gained a reputation over the months for being, as

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Speaker 5: you said, someone that would have parties and someone who

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Speaker 5: than maybe you would invite over to your host And

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Speaker 5: that's putting it lightly.

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Speaker 2: And she does have children. She's got two teen sons,

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Speaker 2: thirteen and fifteen. And you know to doctor Angie Arnold,

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Speaker 3: They knew what was going on, but did.

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Speaker 2: Anybody stop it, not until things got even more out

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Speaker 2: of hand. In addition to what Drew Pinner told us, Angie,

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Speaker 2: how many times have I told the children, starting at

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Speaker 2: a very young age, about drugs and alcohol.

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Speaker 1: All the time?

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Speaker 3: What it does to you?

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Speaker 2: Cases I've seen in court specifically, I remember when I

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Speaker 2: Habitual violator, And I looked around for her family. There

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Speaker 2: was no family, but I knew she was married with

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Speaker 2: three children. Alcohol cost her her stockbroker's license. That she

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Speaker 2: worked so hard forehand, worked her way up the ladder

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Speaker 2: Her husband divorced her and he got custody of three

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Speaker 2: shot and they sit on the table. They know something

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Speaker 2: bad it's about to happen, but they just sit there stoically.

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Speaker 2: That's what she looked like. Alcohol And this is a

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Speaker 2: mom with teens throwing this kind of party, not just alcohol,

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Speaker 2: but drugs and sex.

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Speaker 6: So Niki would why would no one have said anything?

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Speaker 6: Because look at all of the other people that can

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Speaker 6: be hurt by not saying anything, starting with the offender.

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Speaker 6: She needed help, But okay.

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Speaker 2: You know why did I ask you a question? She

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Speaker 2: does not need help. She needs jail because these aren't

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Speaker 2: just wild parties. This is sex, assault, child moless, station felony,

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Speaker 2: child endangerment.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know what you're talking about. She needs help, well,

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Speaker 3: she needs a nice long.

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Speaker 6: But Nancy, at the very least, if the neighbors knew

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Speaker 6: what was going on, and they didn't know the extent

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Speaker 6: to what was going on, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Please, have you ever seen Bewitched? Yes? No, have you?

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Speaker 2: And you're familiar with Gladys Kravitz, right, the nosy neighbor

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Speaker 2: who knows everything you want to tell me. These neighbors

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Speaker 2: didn't know exactly what was happening, hearing teens screaming and

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Speaker 2: cavorting in the backyard around the keg. Oh they knew,

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Speaker 2: But this is my question, Drew Penner back to Loscota newspaper,

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Speaker 2: T I understand that the first compliants from May to

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Speaker 3: Principle, and they had an assistant principle. Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, this has been an interesting case in

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Speaker 5: our town because it's it's sparked off a whole discussion

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Speaker 5: around what we do, you know, when people are having

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Speaker 5: parties in their own private home. But then it's you know,

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Speaker 5: these the ramifications can spill out into the public sphere,

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Speaker 5: including as you mentioned, at the high school. And you

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Speaker 5: know there's stories that we're hearing and that have come

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Speaker 5: out through the you know, throughout the various discussions that

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Speaker 5: had a really good way of manipulating the whole situation basically,

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Speaker 5: you know, being able to spin things one way and

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Speaker 5: in fact enlisting the children that she was inviting and

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Speaker 5: many say manipulating over to her house into kind of

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Speaker 5: going on the forefront and helping her spread false stories

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Speaker 5: in order to continue her behavior. And you know, that's

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Speaker 5: something that we hear time and time again, and you know,

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Speaker 5: the extent to which perhaps the authorities at the school

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Speaker 5: should have done more. That's been a hot gun issue,

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Speaker 5: so that over into even the local councils come up

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Speaker 5: indirectly as well, and yeah, it's been the talk of

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Annisinota, a child grooming expert,

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Speaker 2: but first let me just swing to Sam do'ordulian. He

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Speaker 2: is a renowned attorney, former La County prosecutor, and founder

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Speaker 2: of the Dordulian Law Group.

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Speaker 3: You can find him at d lawgroup dot com.

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Speaker 2: Sam, thanks for being with us, just thinking through what

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Speaker 2: Drew Pinner told us from the Losgotten. You know, Sam,

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Speaker 2: here's the rub, here's the fly in the ointment. So

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Speaker 2: you have the parents, they are speaking out to the

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Speaker 2: wrong person. They contact the school principle and the assistant principle,

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Speaker 2: So do they get the idea they're doing the right thing,

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Speaker 2: And how much can a school really control what students

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Speaker 2: or quote cool moms are doing off school premises, Sam Doordulian, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Nancy, And actually that's that's a good question. Why didn't

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Speaker 7: they call the police? And I think it's a lot

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Speaker 7: I think people would react differently because she's a woman,

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Speaker 7: because she's a mom. In particular, I think they're treating

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Speaker 7: I mean, you brought up the word grooming. This is

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Speaker 7: male teacher or a coach or a priest. She was

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Speaker 7: grooming not just the children, but the other parents, the

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Speaker 2: You know, you just shruck me to the core as

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Speaker 2: a mom, because you know, Anna Sonoda going from Sam Dordoulian,

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Speaker 2: doctor Angie Arnold, Andrew Panner, let me.

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Speaker 3: Tell you who.

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Speaker 2: Anna Sonoda is child grooming expert, clinical social worker, author

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Speaker 2: of dut dut Groom Understanding How a child becomes a target,

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Speaker 2: and you can find her at Annasinoda dot com. Anna,

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Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to our friend

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Speaker 2: Amanda del Castillo.

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Speaker 8: Shannon O'Connor, the Los Catus mother, was accused of throwing

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Speaker 8: drunken parties where she encouraged young teens to participate in

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Speaker 8: sex acts, sometimes non consensual and sometimes while she watched.

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Speaker 8: The teens, mostly fourteen and fifteen years old, included her

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Speaker 8: own son. O'Connor would use Snapchat or text to invite

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Speaker 2: It's not exactly your classic grooming, but it has all

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Speaker 2: the elements of a classic grooming, luring, desensitizing the victim,

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Speaker 2: where this little fourteen year old girl says, well.

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Speaker 3: Everybody else is doing it.

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Speaker 2: The mom was sitting there watching me having a sex

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Speaker 2: as I thought because a mom thinks it's okay, and

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Speaker 2: then getting them getting a vow of silence warning them

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Speaker 9: Nancy This is a gruesome, gruesome example of grooming. And

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Speaker 9: just so that everybody's on the same page, grooming is

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to drink in everything that you just said.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the other moms even want.

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Speaker 2: That, but I like that to see what the twins

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Speaker 2: Loscato's high school students, including her own two sons. Now,

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Speaker 2: according to prosecutors, she would lure the youngsters to her

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Speaker 2: we know? Michael Boughton joining me, former NYPD detective squad supervisor,

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Speaker 2: Michael Bock. I want you to change that website immediately. Hey, Michael,

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Speaker 2: I know you've dealt with a lot of cases where

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Speaker 2: adults molested children. I rarely see I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I've seen female sex predators on children, but for a mom,

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Speaker 3: George in Mean Girls. Hilarious. But this is not funny

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Speaker 2: You ever seeing the case where the mom lures in

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Speaker 10: It's not a frequent occurrence, especially inside the city.

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Speaker 10: Is probably more of a suburban issue than it would

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever come across anything quite like it.

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Speaker 2: And these people, Michael Bock, I mean, this is Silicon

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Speaker 3: That's the median.

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Speaker 10: That's big money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a lot of money to roll around

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Speaker 2: I mean, doctor Angie, you hear Michael Buck speaking, what

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Speaker 6: Oh, Nancy, this is such a horrible subject, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: But I was expecting a little something a little more

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Speaker 2: I can ask anybody on the street that, doctor Angie,

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Speaker 2: I know it's horrible. But what is what kind of

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Speaker 6: Is that these kind of people can suffer from a

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Speaker 3: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, low self esteem?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, Nancy, this is you ask for a definition.

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Speaker 3: She's a child molester.

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, but we have to kind of look at

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Speaker 6: They can have antisocial personality disorder, they can have very

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Speaker 2: Don't even try to make me feel badly for her

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Speaker 2: injection low self esteem? I am about child molester. Here is

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Speaker 2: doctor Jackie, and you're waving a sign saying voyeurism.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what that is?

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Speaker 2: Right, Doctor and Jamming, you are the strange to be

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Speaker 6: I'm a medical doctor, okay.

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Speaker 3: And I'm having to tell you the word voyeurism and.

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Speaker 6: Nancy, I've had to treat women who were female sexual predators.

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with them? Not that the state has

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Speaker 6: But doesn't it also sound like this woman, this particular

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Speaker 6: They were very young, forty seven, they're thirteen and fourteen

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Speaker 3: I've already said that. That was my question that I

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Speaker 2: What grown woman enjoys watching little children have forced sex?

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Speaker 6: A very thick grown woman.

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Speaker 2: Once again, I knew that myself, and I am not

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Speaker 6: Nancy, she may have been abused in her past.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear great, you know what, Just go ahead and

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Speaker 3: Will I still hear her?

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Speaker 6: Hello, the women, the woman that I'm going.

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Speaker 2: To give you a moment to reconsider your opinion, Doctor

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Speaker 2: So I didn't realize, is drey Pinner She was married

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Speaker 2: Surely learned for me to believe that he had no

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Speaker 2: Shannon O'Connor would ply fourteen to fifteen year olds with

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Speaker 3: When the teams would engage in sex acts, many of.

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Speaker 11: Forty seven year old mom, is accused of throwing sex

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Speaker 5: Well, some of these parties would go on for an

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Speaker 5: and you know, investigating people and investigators seem to think

440
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Speaker 5: that that may be related to that car incident exactly

441
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Speaker 5: you had just heard about there on that news report.

442
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Speaker 2: According to court documents we've just obtained, quote evidence admitted

443
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: at preliminary hearing will show offenses alleged were committed by

444
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: defendant as a result of a sexual compulsion and for

445
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: the purpose of sexual gratification.

446
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Speaker 1: The deputy district attorney.

447
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: Wrote, Okay, she had a consistent approach involving helping minors

448
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: sneak out of their own homes, arranging transportation for them

449
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: via Snapchat or texting, getting them drunk to the point

450
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: of vomiting, losing consciousness, and then foisting sex activity upon them.

451
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Speaker 1: What is this woman.

452
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Thinking, Sam Orduley and joining a sex assault lawyer, former

453
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: LA County sex crimes prosecutor, naked twister with a bunch

454
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: of teen girls and boys in your home.

455
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I cringed when.

456
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: I heard doctor Angela Arnold talking about, Oh, she's got

457
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: low self esteem, she's probably been rejected, don't care.

458
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: This is child molestation.

459
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Speaker 3: I mean Dordlian. Do you have any children.

460
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 7: I have two children, in fact, wondering about the same

461
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 7: age as these kids.

462
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 2: At thirteen going to the mom's house down the street,

463
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: and then to find out later she was egged into

464
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: sex acts and given drugs and alcohol by the so

465
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Speaker 2: called cool mom.

466
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Speaker 3: I would do a backflip.

467
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Speaker 7: Yeah, even imagine it and look, Nancy. In twenty five

468
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 7: plus years I've been doing sex crimes, I haven't heard

469
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 7: a story like this. And again we I think a

470
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 7: lot has to do The reason why this continued and

471
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 7: it was allowed to fester and she was allowed to

472
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 7: do all these things is because of her status as

473
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Speaker 7: a mom, as a woman. I've prosecuted a lot of

474
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Speaker 7: these cases. I've tried in civil court, a lot of

475
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 7: these cases. You don't see a lot of sexual predators

476
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 7: who are women. I do have them, I've had them before,

477
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 7: nothing like this. And we have an inherent trust of mothers,

478
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 7: don't we. You know, you believe, you want to believe,

479
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 7: especially since she's a mom of someone a child of

480
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 7: your child's age, She's not going to hurt them. She's

481
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Speaker 7: going to protect them. That's what we all want to believe.

482
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Speaker 7: And I think that belief allowed this to continue, and

483
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Speaker 7: the reason why, you know, parents are going to the

484
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 7: school instead of the police. We have a different impression

485
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 7: of female sexual offenders, but they're just as dangerous as

486
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Speaker 7: we see in this particular case.

487
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Speaker 2: Well, you know an interesting point a Sander Julian Fa

488
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: dad was throwing a party.

489
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Speaker 3: I don't know how many teen girls parents would even

490
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Speaker 3: let them go.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't let my daughter go. I

492
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 7: have a distrust of milk.

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Speaker 2: O h E double Lno. I say you're not going

494
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: to a party at some pervy dad's house. That's not happening.

495
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: Ooh okay, cringe. You know I want to go back

496
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: to doctor Angeley Arnold. I guess we can turn our

497
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: mic back on. You know, you've given me just enough

498
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: information over the years to throw something back at you.

499
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: You're talking about how she has low self esteem and

500
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: low self worth and was probably rejected in her life.

501
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: I assume the next thing you're going to say is

502
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: this is a desperate cry for help. How about a

503
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: manipulative narcissist with no conscience?

504
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: Would that se fit?

505
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Speaker 6: Yes? It would, Yes, it would, Nancy, And I'll tell

506
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 6: you something else. The reason nobody's calling and reporting her

507
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 6: is because research has shown that if you report that

508
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 6: you have done abused by as female more times than not,

509
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 6: you are not believed.

510
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: I didn't think of that. You're absolutely correct.

511
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: And guess what else gave her the en disha of

512
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: responsibility and her mom's status secured. She's living in a

513
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: four point seven million dollar mansion. I bet they've got

514
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: a pool. I know they've got a hot to because

515
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: one girl almost drowned in their hot tob drunk four

516
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: point seven million dollars home up there in Los Gato's

517
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: a quote tech savvy predator who taught the teens to

518
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: lie using gifts in order to bait the girls. WHOA wait,

519
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: we haven't even touched on that, Drew Pinner. Drew Pinner,

520
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: investigative reporter at the Losgotten What kind of gifts did

521
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: she use to bait the tan girls?

522
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if you know the Bay area at all,

523
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: you know that you know just over the hill, you

524
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 5: know you've got Santa Cruz and that's a pretty pretty

525
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 5: awesome destination to go to, and people like going on

526
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 5: trips there, same with Tahoe. So if you get invited

527
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: along to trip to one of those places. I mean,

528
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 5: who wouldn't want to go. Keep in mind, these are

529
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 5: kids that don't have access to just head on on

530
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 5: a weekend trip on their own, you know, and you know,

531
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: so that's that's one thing, you know, getting these the

532
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: alcohol is supplied. I mean, that's not exactly easy when

533
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: you're near a kid, and you know. I just I

534
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 5: think that there's a lot of this affection that's been

535
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 5: showered on them as well by miss O'Connor, as we

536
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 5: hear and from some of the stories that we've been

537
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: reporting on, including you know that that may have been

538
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 5: a technique, this flattery in order to build trust in

539
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: bonds classic panner. Well, one other thing I wanted to say,

540
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 5: I wanted to say too, was was just that if

541
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Speaker 5: you don't mind, was just that I think that we

542
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: have to keep in mind that this is this is

543
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 5: someone that you know, she had on her phone. It

544
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 5: turns out, as we've now reported, like a video of

545
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 5: a girl saying that, you know, talking about her own

546
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 5: body image, and we don't know if this is someone

547
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: she knew or is something she downaged from TikTok, But

548
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: this is pointing to the fact that you know, she

549
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 5: had not just a desire to help her own child

550
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 5: perhaps hook up, but you know, there's some question around

551
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 5: was she maybe looking for having, let's say, a bad

552
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 5: interest in sixteen year olds. For example, one of her

553
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 5: the searches on her phone was hot sixteen year old

554
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 5: teenage girls and prettiest sixteen year old girl Good books

555
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: with young sex. That's something that just came out recently.

556
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: One young girl, who is going only by the name

557
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: Jane Doe eight, says that cool mom O'Connor quote tore

558
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: my life apart. I've suffered and had to deal with

559
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: the reputation of being quote the girl that got raped.

560
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: I will live my high school years with this cloud

561
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: over me. Victims say that O'Connor befriended them through her

562
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: children and social media when they were just freshmen at

563
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Los Gato's High This Jane do eight says, Shannon does

564
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: not have a conscience.

565
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: She's a Connor artist.

566
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Speaker 2: I will never have the life I once had, and

567
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: neither should she. She says that O'Connor would have boys

568
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: get drunk and then drunkenly sex assault the girls while

569
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Speaker 2: O'Connor watched One of these girls, Jane Doe nine actually

570
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: had to take out a protection order against O'Connor after

571
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: she realized O'Connor had been following her around with no

572
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: headlights on. The girl still has nightmares today. One girl

573
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: says that O'Connor moved into her town, and the Little

574
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: Girl twenty seven calls with no caller ID, but with

575
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Shannon O'Connor on the other end breathing into the phone.

576
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: Does anybody have a concern about what took so long

577
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: to bring this woman to justice?

578
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: Here's another theory.

579
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: In addition to Drew Pitter's theory that she was sexually

580
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: interested in young teen girls and boys, did she actually

581
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: want to be a child?

582
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: Again?

583
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

584
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Speaker 3: Welcome Back.

585
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: We learn more about the so called cool mom, apparently

586
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: very selective about the young girls she allowed to come

587
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: to the parties, rejecting them if they did not meet

588
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: her particular cool mom standards. Oh my stars, seriously, seriously,

589
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 2: she's a mean girl that grew up. She rejects girls

590
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: listen to this as guests by saying they weren't quote

591
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: pretty enough or didn't quote put out.

592
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: I don't believe.

593
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: I've heard that phrase, so somebody said it in high school.

594
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: She rejected girls because they quote weren't pretty enough or

595
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: quote didn't put out Oh my stars, man, I would

596
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: pack that jury with a bunch of parents, moms and

597
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: dads of teen girls and teen boys.

598
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: Oh girl, you're in trouble now.

599
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: We also learned that as soon as she learned about

601
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: the police investigation, she fled reportedly to Idaho.

602
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: Is that correct?

603
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 5: Three Pinter, So it is true that what happened is

604
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 5: that as the investigation was progressing into the conduct of

605
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 5: Shannon O'Connor, she leaves, she goes to Idaho. And you know,

606
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: you might say, Okay, maybe that's a nice coincidence or

607
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 5: whatever for her, but you know, the truth is is

608
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 5: that we're starting to see that she's very aware of

609
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 5: the fact that you know that it's there's different rules

610
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 5: when you have authority, local authorities investigating here, it's harder

611
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 5: for them to reach across state lines. And in fact,

612
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: at one point, she's Internet searching Idaho statue, Idaho's Statute

613
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 5: of Limitations criminal She's going, hey, can I get prosecuted

614
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 5: in California if I live in Idaho?

615
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: For instance.

616
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: The searches include things about arrest warrants, statutes of limitations,

617
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: and legal consequences.

618
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that does it? So guilty conscious at all?

619
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Speaker 2: I can't wait for that to come in front of

620
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: a jury. Can I get prosecuted in California?

621
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Speaker 1: If I live in Idaho?

622
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Speaker 2: You know, I've never searched that before. How do I

623
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Speaker 2: know if there's a warrant for my arrest supplying alcohol

624
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: to minors in a private home and statute of limitations California?

625
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: Now this is all according to court documents.

626
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: What about it, Sam Doordulian, she's looking for statute limitations?

627
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: How long can they prosecute me in another jurisdiction for this?

628
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Speaker 7: She's incredibly manipulative and it's just terrifying. The other parts

629
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 7: that you mentioned about the whole stalking part of it,

630
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 7: I worked the stocking unit as well, and I can

631
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 7: tell you I'm working with the DA's office prosecute all

632
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 7: sorts of criminals. There's only two that I was really

633
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 7: truly frightened of hardcore game members and stalkers. And she

634
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 7: seems to not only just be a sexual predator, but

635
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 7: it has to go stalking elements on top, and it's

636
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 7: just terrifying that she would move to a different state

637
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 7: be so manipulative, and there's some reference to her moving

638
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 7: to another state where there's one of the victims actually lived.

639
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 7: Terrifying what this woman was doing. And to suggest that

640
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 7: the husband had no idea about all of this, I

641
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 7: think it's just foolish, absolutely foolish.

642
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: Well, we do know that he has recently filed for

643
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: divorce and do you blame him?

644
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: What about it?

645
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: Doctor Angie Arnold, psychiatrist out of Atlanta. Is that some

646
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: sort of a designated ailment?

647
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, I don't that ailment doesn't necessarily have

648
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 6: a name. It all goes under the it's all under

649
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 6: the guise of sexual predators, and it's just another way

650
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 6: that they manipulate the system. I mean, Nancy, I have

651
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 6: to wonder. I mean, there's so many things that are

652
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 6: going on in our world right now that are predatory

653
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 6: to children that we have to keep an eye out

654
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 6: for all of those things.

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Speaker 5: You know.

656
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: I want to follow up with Anna Sonoda, child grooming

657
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: expert and author of Duck Duck Groom. We're talking about

658
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: various motives. Did this so called cool mom o Connor

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Speaker 2: actually want to be a teen again? Take a listen

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Speaker 2: to this and Sonoda our cut nine from KGO.

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Speaker 12: The DIA's office believe an early motive for O'Connor's alleged

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Speaker 12: actions is sexual gratification. Court documents say she would use

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Speaker 12: social media to lord mind to her home, give them alcohol, condoms,

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Speaker 12: and private rooms to commit sexual acts that sometimes we're

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Speaker 12: not consensual.

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Speaker 13: One of the crimes that we have charged involves committing

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Speaker 13: a crime for sexual gratification, so we can certainly say

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Speaker 13: that sexual gratification is one of the motives in this case.

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Speaker 3: What about Anna Sineta.

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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, I think we have to back up a

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Speaker 9: second and say that all sex, all sexual acts with

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Speaker 9: anyone under the age of eighteen in California aslong with Idaho,

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Speaker 9: is always non consensual. These children don't even have the

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Speaker 9: ability to consent to sex. So let's get that on

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Speaker 9: the table. First of all. I think one of the

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Speaker 9: things we have to keep in mind, sixty six percent

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Speaker 9: of child sex abuse victims are between the ages of

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Speaker 9: twelve and seventeen. This is a ripe atmosphere. This woman

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Speaker 9: took her position. It's easy to impress teens. She was likable,

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Speaker 9: she was powerful, and she was popular. She was providing money, alcohol,

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Speaker 9: everything was free to these kids. We don't know the

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Speaker 9: socioeconomics of the children who are in that position, and

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Speaker 9: we know that there were no other authority figures. She

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Speaker 9: always set it up so that she was the sole adult,

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Speaker 9: and she convinced other adults to trust her to supervise,

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Speaker 9: protect and prevent any damage, and she did nothing of

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Speaker 9: the sort. Instead, she was pretending that she was forever

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Speaker 9: twenty one, if you will, and disregarding any sort of

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Speaker 9: obligation as an adult or as an authority figure.

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Speaker 2: So would you say, Anna Sonoda that she has some

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Speaker 2: sort of an age regression, mental ailment or as the

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Speaker 2: motive here, or do you believe it's for her pure

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Speaker 2: sex gratification or so somehow she can be the quote cool.

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Speaker 9: Mom, I actually don't think it matters.

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Speaker 1: Why.

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 9: Why we're so fixated on why somebody would do something.

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Speaker 9: The message that listeners need to get out of this

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Speaker 9: example is that people who are entrusted with your child,

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Speaker 9: as long as you send them into environments in which

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Speaker 9: they have space and access away from proper supervision, the

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Speaker 9: highest risk environment your child can ever be in is

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Speaker 9: your home or someone else's home. So if these parents

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Speaker 9: had just eliminated the house parties. This wasn't happening at school,

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Speaker 9: This wasn't happening at church, This wasn't happening in the

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Speaker 9: local playground. This was happening at her home. Let's all

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Speaker 9: wake up to the reality that our homes, and when

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Speaker 9: we allow our children to go to other people's homes,

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Speaker 9: that is the highest risk environment. So honestly, I don't

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Speaker 9: care what reason she had for acting like a teen

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Speaker 9: other than grooming and looking cool and having access and

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Speaker 9: then suddenly being the one, almost like a big sister

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Speaker 9: with a proper id. Here are these kids who are

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Speaker 9: trying to test the boundaries because that is the appropriate

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Speaker 9: developmental stage that they are going through in their own adolescents.

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Speaker 2: Jane dough two did not want to testify, claiming she

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Speaker 2: wants to quote forget this ever happened, but her mother

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Speaker 2: spoke out, saying she's not here because she doesn't want

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Speaker 2: Shannon O'Connor to own one more minute of her life.

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Speaker 2: My daughter is not here because she's busy doing what

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Speaker 2: kids their junior years should be doing, studying for AP tests, SATs,

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Speaker 2: prom dressing, dreaming about colleges. Her life will never be

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Speaker 2: the same, and I can think of five women who

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Speaker 2: agree with the victims mothers. Take Allison to our cut

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Speaker 2: nineteen kron.

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Speaker 14: Five female inmates are scheduled to be arraigned in court

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Speaker 14: this week after an attack on another inmate at a

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Speaker 14: jail in Milpitis. Court records show the five inmates beat

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Speaker 14: the Loscattos woman, Shannon O'Connor. It happened at the Elmwood

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Speaker 14: Correctional Facility. O'Connor is accused of throwing secret alcohol fueled

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Speaker 14: parties for underage boys and girls and pressuring those teenagers into.

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Speaker 3: Having sex with each other.

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Speaker 14: Prosecutors said O'Connor lured victims to her Loscattos mansion through

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Speaker 14: social media and her sons who attended Los Gatos High School.

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Speaker 14: The attack on her happened in October of last year.

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Speaker 14: Court documents show deputies broke up the fight and took

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Speaker 14: O'Connor to a hospital.

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Speaker 2: Michael Blot, former NYPD sergeant, Have you ever seen anything

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Speaker 2: like it to this extent?

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Speaker 10: No, it's crazy, and she knew exactly what she was

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Speaker 10: doing was illegal, you know, by keeping it from the

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Speaker 10: parents and conspiring with the kids to make sure they

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Speaker 10: kept it from the parents, so she knew exactly what

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Speaker 10: she was doing. And I do agree with your other

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Speaker 10: caller that none of the acts are consentual due to age,

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Speaker 10: and she's basically an accessory to a sexual assault. She's

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Speaker 10: a faitator and she encouraged the behavior. She's just as

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Speaker 10: bad as the person committing the sexual assault, and she

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Speaker 10: must be getting gratification out of it.

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Speaker 2: So much from being a cool mom not so cool

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Speaker 2: behind bars. Drew Panter, what is a status of O'Connor's case.

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Speaker 5: Oh, man, So, this is one of those cases that

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Speaker 5: just keeps going on and on. There's been many steps

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Speaker 5: and we're not even really even into the preliminary inquiry yet.

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Speaker 5: It was about to start the preliminary inquiry, and then

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Speaker 5: there was a legal maneuver that I personally wasn't familiar

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Speaker 5: with until now, which is basically going to the judge

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Speaker 5: and saying, Hey, if I plead to all the charges,

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Speaker 5: what would you give me. So that's basically the step

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Speaker 5: that we are in now, where I just spoke with

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Speaker 5: a parent yesterday and one of the parents told me that,

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Speaker 5: you know, Shannon O'Connor has now been offered a seventeen

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Speaker 5: year and four month sentence. Of course, this has not

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Speaker 5: been put on the record yet. There is a chance

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Speaker 5: that could change before you know, before I hear next. However,

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Speaker 5: that's what if she decides to plead to everything. We're

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Speaker 5: told that she could go away for seventeen years. It

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Speaker 5: could have been as much as twenty, but who knows.

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Speaker 5: Maybe this is just a legal maneuver to draw things

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Speaker 5: out and basically start the process all over again of

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Speaker 5: the preliminary inquiry, and then if that goes forward, of course,

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Speaker 5: there could be a trial later on. And this is

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Speaker 5: all going after an earlier process to try to get

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Speaker 5: out on bail. She's currently in pre trial custody as

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Speaker 5: you heard there at the Elmwood facility there in Santa

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Speaker 5: Clara County, and basically her lawyer took that all the

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Speaker 5: way to the California Supreme Court. So a lot of

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Speaker 5: these kids, as you'd heard earlier, they're saying, you know,

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Speaker 5: I want my life back, and in fact they're saying, geez,

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Speaker 5: I want to at least be able to get through college,

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Speaker 5: you know, and be free from you know, any tormenting

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Speaker 5: from her. Of course, this is all now, Shannon O'Connor,

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Speaker 5: we have to say has not had a full chance

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Speaker 5: to amount to defense. Of course she could have, but

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Speaker 5: this is this has not gone to trial. However, from

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Speaker 5: a lot of the evidence that has come out so far,

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Speaker 5: there are justices in California and judges in the California

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Speaker 5: system that have pointed to the strong evidence as they

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Speaker 5: see it about some of the stuff that has happened.

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Speaker 5: So be careful. But at the same time, we have

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Speaker 5: to say, hey, this is one of those cases where

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Speaker 5: there is this seems to be at least some pretty

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Speaker 5: strong evidence of a lot of this behavior occurring. I

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Speaker 5: want to say one more thing really quickly, and that

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Speaker 5: is clarifying one of the comments that was meant that

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Speaker 5: was made earlier, and I believe one of the victims

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Speaker 5: had said, you know, I'm known as the girl who

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Speaker 5: was raped. I believe that's the same person that followed

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Speaker 5: that statement up by saying, hey, that's not even my allegation.

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Speaker 5: Now that's not to say that she believes that didn't

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Speaker 5: happen to other girls or possibly boys, we don't know.

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Speaker 10: But what the point.

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Speaker 5: Is is that we also have a responsibility as a

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Speaker 5: community in a society to be careful with how we

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Speaker 5: look at how these situations play out because you know

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Speaker 5: and how you know, we don't want a victim shame either.

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Speaker 5: You know, if these are victims, they need to be

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Speaker 5: seen as victims for what happened to them and they

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Speaker 5: shouldn't be tarnished with any kind of negative reputation when

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Speaker 5: if they truly are victims, that's what they are. They're victims.

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Speaker 2: As in so many other cases, the computer searches are

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Speaker 2: doing cool mom aka party mom, given name Shannon O'Connor,

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Speaker 2: they're going to do hurry in mark my words, guys,

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Speaker 2: if you know or think you know anything about this

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Speaker 2: case about so called cool mom, Shannon O'Connor plays dial

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Speaker 2: for zero eight eight zero eight four four zero zero

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Speaker 2: repeat four O eight eight O eight forty four hundred.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,