WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Oct282011.com 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.720 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by flying monkeys. Instead, 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:09.200 it's supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.319 Visit patreon dot com slash Thinking Sideways to learn more 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:28.840 and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know stories 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:34.760 of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, guys, um, 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.879 welcome to a very special spooky episode of Thinking Sideways 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:44.000 the podcast. Just kidding, it's not going to be spooky. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:49.240 I'm Devin, I'm joined by and Steve, and I'm ready 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.040 to disappoint the heck out of you, guys because this 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.160 is coming out just for our Halloween. And guess what 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.280 we didn't do? We kind of got lazy. Yeah, well, 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.120 listen as it is this. I really don't think that 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.880 we should be covering this mystery today because technically this 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.119 mystery but on the day it comes out, will not 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.480 quite be five years old. Your day shy with this one? 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:19.040 All right? Canceled? Canceled podcast O alright by credits. Okay, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:27.479 just kidding. Realistically, the beginning of this mystery started more 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.560 than five years ago, true, started like August, right, you 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.720 know what for mysteries, I like them. Sometimes I'll fudge it. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:34.560 You know you're fudginged by a day, I'll give it 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.039 to you. Okay, thanks the mystery. If you are not familiar, 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.720 we're going to talk about is um called oct two 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:50.360 thousand eleven dot com in other words October dot com. Well, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.720 everybody assumes that the oct means October, but it could 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:59.800 mean Octal. Yeah. Yeah, I tried to actually translated to 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.400 two oh one one into octal and I got a 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.520 different number, of course, um, but it didn't have any 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.800 meaning to it, so damn it. I was disappointed. Than 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.640 Luckily it didn't take me more than three seconds. That's said. 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.040 This is not a listeners suggestion. Actually I discovered it 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.280 by my own dang self. No, it's crazy. I didn't 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.200 know that we were able to do that anything, you know, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.320 I know it's like freedom at last. Uh. And I 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.240 do want to give a shout out to William of 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.560 Williams Thing. I'm sorry at Williams Thing. He wanted me 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.720 to say his Twitter. Um, he's a YouTuber that posted 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:39.040 pretty much the video that you'll see about this whole mystery, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.960 and he was able to provide me with his source 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.440 videos that he didn't create, but that he sampled for 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.560 his video, So thanks to William and another shout out 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.080 to my cousin who's like an all around genius. And 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.200 I spent a lot of time texting saying like, hey, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.320 can you explain this quantum thing to me real quick? 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.920 And he would just like fire right back with an answer. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.840 So that was super helpful for me because we're going 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.679 to talk about some cloth and stuff in a little bit. Really, yeah, 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.000 was he doing that because he actually owes you money 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:08.720 and this was his way to get out of the dead. Yeah, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.280 he was trying. It's not working. Coming for the legs 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.480 a lot of type and really yeah, and okay, and 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.800 then as a final thing before we jump into this, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.680 it's just as a little disclaimer, we're going to be 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.639 talking about a website or lots of websites, which means 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.000 we're going to be sitting in our studio. Yeah, but 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.440 we're gonna be looking at sites and pages and stuff, 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.680 and we're going to because we have a Steve Um, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.320 we're going to provide on our website PDFs of all 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.640 of the stuff we're talking about. So if you're at 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.240 home or at work in a lacks work environment and 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.360 you're able to follow along, that's great. If this is 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.800 one of those mysteries like the Lake City Quiet Pills 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.560 where you're just like if I if I can't see it, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.840 I'm done, then maybe skip this one or put it 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:55.240 off until later. But it's gonna be comp yeah. There. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.360 The documents are huge. Now there's lots of pages. Yeah, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.320 there's like sixty seven in one of them. Yeah, we're 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.400 just going to combine them all. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. Sorry. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.400 As a final disclaimer, my goal for this episode is 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.760 a little different than we usually do. Um. It's gonna 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.040 be like a primer for this whole mystery, right, but 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.840 it's really huge and there's so much content that really 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.160 needs to be looked at to be discussed that I'm 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:27.520 going to encourage people to discuss with us me um online, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.360 you know, be at Twitter, which is probably not ideal. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.800 I think Reddit or Facebook is probably the most ideal 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:37.680 of Yeah, um, so reach out to us on social 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.400 media once you've listened to this episode if it's interesting 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.919 to you, um, take a look at the PDFs. I 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.920 want this to kind of be interactive by the end 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.159 of it. So just also as a disclaimer, because that's 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:55.680 kind of what this case needs. Okay, hasn't. It hasn't no, um, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.880 but I think it's really interesting. I think, you know, 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.960 people on the internet just stopped caring things after five years, 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.640 so hopefully this will kind of pick things. Yeah. Well 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.760 in the Lake City quiet pills thing has just kind 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.520 of picked up a little bit in recent weeks, so 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:14.360 hopefully this will help that. Okay, ready, okay, so now 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.680 twenty minutes later, we're ready for a quick overview or 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.440 five or whatever. According to who is, the website oct 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.440 two thousand eleven, dot com was registered through one and 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.719 one dot com on August seventh, two thou eleven. According 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.880 to the same who is, the site was updated as 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.840 recently as September twenty eight of this year um, and 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.520 the domain doesn't expire until next August August two seventeen. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.800 But the owner of this domain is utilizing what's called 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.800 the domain parking service, which is UM. You know, when 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.839 you go to a website and it's just like a 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.920 bunch of links for ads. It's just like a white 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.560 page with links. That's what a domain parking services. So 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.960 they're trying to gain revenue through like ad clicks basically, 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:00.599 but it also is a really good way to just 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.479 like keep the domain and let it expire, but also 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.000 get a little money from it. So that's what the 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.240 site looks like right now. But lucky for us, the 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.120 way back Machine exists. Um, and you will see some 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:18.080 places that the site doesn't unlock, doesn't allow quote unquote crawlers, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.320 like the way Back Archive. But if that is the case, 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.760 that's um, the the coding is wrong, because we've got 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:28.920 we we saw it, we saw all of it. I 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.160 had read somewhere that somebody was saying that, and then 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.880 I'd also seen somebody say, well, apparently because they took 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.039 the site down and they're using it as a parking 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.880 that the robot t x T file that stopped the 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.560 crawlers from being able to pull it was defunct. But 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.880 that doesn't make sense because otherwise the way back Machine 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.520 shouldn't have been able to record anything. I would think, well, 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.960 it would make sense if they like implemented it before 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.040 they implement when they decided to stop maintaining the site 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.160 but hadn't moved to the main parking thing yet, if 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.480 at that point they put the anti crawler text in 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.480 to the htmail, so that would have prevented any new 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.800 things from being snapped um and then once they went 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.360 to the domain parking, it went away. There are some 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.560 of the sites you may have noticed. Some of them 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.000 do have that text in it because you try to 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.000 view it on the way back machine and it doesn't 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:26.320 allow you to basically, so some of them do have that. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.800 You get it's there. It's a ghost message. It says 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.280 this page exists, but it doesn't allow crawlers, so we're 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.040 redirecting you to something else. Um. But the majority of 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.400 the pages that are connected to this website don't have that. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:43.160 We were able to see it, which is great. Yeah 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.520 for real. Also, the thing you will notice when you 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.160 pull these up on the way back machine is there's 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.239 a lot of broken image links. But as I said, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.840 lucky for us, we have a Steve, and it turns 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:57.200 out Steve is insane actually find those images almost all. 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.640 I found almost everything. Yeah. So it took me all weekend, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.440 but I found almost everything. Yeah. So I'm gonna encourage 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.000 you guys to really go look at the pdf UM 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.680 and if you don't want to do that, you can 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.040 look at the site, but you know you will see 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.000 broken images and the images are kind of some of 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.000 the most interesting stuff in this a little bit. When 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:22.160 it was active. Dot com was pretty much a huge mystery. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:27.000 Even when it was active. There's um a huge labyrinth 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.160 of pages, many of which have messages hidden in the 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:34.160 HTML code UM, which aren't even the weirdest part of 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.880 some of the messages that are happening on this site, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.760 and the pages the same page would change on a 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.880 regular basis, like daily completely changed, not just a little 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.520 bit of text, but totally overhaul. Yeah, there's also a 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.480 phone number attached to this website that was posted at 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.319 one time. I haven't seen the page that it was 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.640 posted on. I've just seen the phone number, UM, and 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.440 people when they call that say it you know, it 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.400 rings four times and then somebody answers it doesn't it 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.200 just like gets picked up and it's breathing, and then 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.640 it's like a loud beep. The only place is what 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.680 I got when I call it. Sorry, The only place 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.120 I ever saw the phone number was actually in the HTML. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.640 That's the only place that I ever saw it listed. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.520 That's the only place I ever sawt listed too, So 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.960 I presume that's the only place it was. But yeah, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.400 also that, yeah, I should be really clear that with 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.520 only one exception all any of the theories out there, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.880 UM don't suggest that this is really a malicious website. 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.240 So we're not talking like a Lake City quiet pill situation. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.319 We're not talking about like killing and anything like that. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.320 It's really just yes, it is totally the opposite. It's 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.600 just kind of weird. And the person who created this 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.920 website is most often referred to as Open, So we're 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.360 just going to call this person open. There's no like 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.760 hint at gender pronouns or anything like that, so we're 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.440 literally just going to call this person open. So if 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.400 I start saying open a lot and aside tense, it's 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.520 because I'm trying to avoid gender pronouns. It's a name. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.760 It's a name. It's a handle. It's a handle. If 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:12.120 you have to handle, call open like it they Yeah, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:17.920 Open created this website, the one that started on Yeah, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:23.080 and it was active until about April UM kind of 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:28.840 and the website is almost impossible to explain in broad strokes. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.400 I would if I were to try, I would say 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.640 it's a lot of about consciousness and some poor man's 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:43.040 quantum physics and some pretty simple cipher codes. I would say, yeah, 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:47.560 add in their awareness and lucid dreaming, and then you 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.679 have that's that's it. There's the broad strokes and then 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.040 that talks about you know, the new golden nature humanity 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:55.960 and you know, all this stuff and for me to 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.960 get an aliens okay, well actually turn in there. Although 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.280 I did find a related site that has aliens. Yeah, 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:07.240 I know you did those. Um. One of the most 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.040 odd things to me is that there's a wiki attached 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.719 to the page that's dedicated to like a solving community. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.440 I'm not quite clear how this came about, if Open 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:22.800 created this or like what, so I I have two 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.280 thoughts on that. I think that either Open created it 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.920 because Open put a call for questions out very early 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.680 on and then each email code by giving the email 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.560 at hinting at the email address, which people figured out. 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.640 And either Open was building the wiki based on things 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:47.000 that people were writing and sending in, or possibly created 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:52.000 a user portal side because if because there's a bunch 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.720 of spam in this website. Ye, tons of spam, which 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.320 makes me think that if they if they created an 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.800 user poor, they didn't secure it very well. Yeah, because 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.400 there's just tons of you know, regrow your hair and 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.600 that kind of weird ads in all of this stuff 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.040 that's in there. Well, there's a wiki and then there's 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.600 all kinds of user comments stuff, and that's where I 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.600 got the idea that it might have been a portal, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.959 which is how it was created with the user comment stuff. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.319 Are you talking about Record? No? Okay, no, no, I'm 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.880 not talking about Awakening or Record. I'm talking about the 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.280 actual wiki. And you, I don't know if you remember, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.240 in some of the captures I sent over, there's like 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.800 weird text about you know, in New York, blah blah blah. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.520 It's like, what the hell is this? I think it's 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.720 a hacked user portal. Yeah. I mean I wouldn't be 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.240 surprised if Open were the person who were running this wiki. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.520 I also wouldn't be surprised if it was someone else. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.040 Just the way it's written, it doesn't actually sound like 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.400 it's open. It doesn't um But because of this kind 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.280 of interactive component of the website, a lot of people 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.959 have speculated this is just an a r G. But 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.040 we will get to that in a little bit. So, guests, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:12.120 we'll start from the like landing homepage when you type 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:16.720 in octyn dot com. And by the way, for everybody, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.959 I know, if you haven't figured it out, it's act 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:24.840 as the alphabet character. It's O C T to eight 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.720 dot com. So I'm going to call that the homepage 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.680 landing page, UM, and I think we'll start from there. Well, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.960 and there's two pretty distinct eras for me in this 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:40.200 there's like the pre October two thousand and eleven actually 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.520 like in in time, and then post because things get 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.680 really really weird after um. And then again, just to 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.880 remind everybody if you missed it in the beginning, we're 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.760 about to talk about things that we're looking at in 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.880 the studios. So we'll try really hard not to just 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.160 talk to that, but it will be helpful if you 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:02.240 have visuals, so please bear with us. Okay, guys, right, okay, alright, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:07.160 So if you visited the site on like August eleven, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.920 for instance, you'd be greeted by a black screen with 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.640 two images at the top and the text below. If 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.840 you can't have patients for this, you won't be able 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.880 to for that all. But who knows. Yeah, that's a 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.240 little weird. Yeah, So the image links here are broken, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.200 and when you dig into the HTML code, because again 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.240 we have a Steve, you find that it was originally 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:39.120 from a website called Project pixels dot com backslash. That 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.440 that web address that's listed there, that's the source for 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:49.440 what is being displayed on dot com on this one. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.960 On this one, it's one time that we have this screen. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.720 So okay, so then you're right, I'm sorry, that's my bad. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:02.280 So then the sorry totally treat me up there. I'm sorry. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:07.040 So you can go to then Project pixels dot com 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.880 slash and it's the same page. Yeah, and that Steve 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.200 the h in the upper left hand core, there's a 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.880 comment there's that was put there by the way back 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.120 machine and not by you, right. Uh oh you mean 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:22.680 the big black bold text. Yeah, yeah, that totally was No, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:30.400 that was I wrote all over these we did also 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.160 in this page before we get too far into Project pixels. Um, 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:38.440 there's a hidden you y ou inside of brackets. Yeah, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:43.800 the and the it's usually square brackets, um that are used. Um, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.760 but it's just interesting it's there. I think it's on 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:48.400 most of the pages, to be honest with you, I 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.600 think it's hidden within most of the pages. The hidden 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.880 where is New York? Am I not seeing it because 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:58.080 it's hidden? Yeah? Yeah, Actually it wasn't on this particular 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.320 page that we're looking at, Joe. And it's always a 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.000 situation where it's a black screen and the text for 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.800 bracket you bracket is in black. So that's why you 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.320 don't see it until you do something like this one 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.880 where we have the code view loaded and you and 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.600 it doesn't happen to be on this one. But the 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.480 word is there, actually, Devin, if you go down, I 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.040 think we can see it actually in the HTML. No, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.840 because it's this is yeah, this is the reference page. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.200 We'll look at that again because, like I said, it's 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.200 in most of them. Uh okay. Hopping over for a 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.720 quick second to Project pixels dot com. You may be 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.480 thinking that project pixels dot com is just a website 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.320 from which you can get free images or free pixels 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.800 or free pixels. Would be wrong, Actually, you would be 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.240 dead wrong. On its first capture in October of two 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.560 thousand five, yes, it literally was a place to buy pixels, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.800 not images, pixels. And I say that because it was 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.320 literally just a gray screen that you could buy a 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.280 certain number of pixels and put your ad space there 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.760 or logo or something. I should be clearer than that. Um, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.680 this is two thousand five and it's like pixel art. 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.639 It's not. There's no pretty logo stuff. It's all like 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.480 neon color with like a shape, like a circle. That 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:22.280 was the graphic design pixels. By the way, pixels were 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.600 a lot bigger in those days. They were actually um. 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:30.199 Then the site. The site gets a little weird um 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.880 somewhere between January two thousand six. In January two thou six, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.199 those are like the too closest screenshots you can get 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.760 in two thousand and six, and this is your siting 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.840 those dates based on what is available in the main YEP. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.399 The site is replaced by a blog post called quote 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:53.320 million dollar Homepage colon busted unquote. I wanted to admit this, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.920 but Steve has argued his case that this is important, 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.080 and I realized now it is because I missed a 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.240 bit that didn't miss and then didn't call me on earlier. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:06.000 So cool. The owner of Project Pixels claims to have 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.399 had the idea for the million dollar homepage before I 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.520 should clarify. The million dollar homepage was a thing where 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.959 it was just like Project pixels, where it was just 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.560 this gray screen except for the person. It was a 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.880 million pixels this homepage, and they sold it a pixel 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.719 or a dollar for each pixel, and they sold them 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.680 in block and they sold them in blocks. I mean 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.680 it was you were required to only by the one pixel, 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.520 but they sold them in blocks. So I thought they 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.720 sold them in blocks of one. Maybe I don't remember. 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.960 It's been so long. I moved on from that bit. Yeah, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.000 they actually sell well, million dollar homepage sold all million 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.520 of them. Yeah, so this person became a millionaire. But um, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:52.040 the owner of Project Pixels claims to have had the 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:56.160 idea first and been selling the pixels on eBay maybe 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.920 or had a Wikipedia page that the person who had 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:04.040 the successful project of million dollar homepage, uh, stole the idea. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.760 I guess it's all kind of yeah, it's kind of 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.000 not there's not really a great coherent stream of thought 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.400 in this blog post. You should go look at it. 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:21.800 It's really interesting anyway. I call it ranting. It is ranting, Yeah, 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.840 but it's kind of a good insight. I guess you 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.560 should go check out million dollar Homepage. It still exists. Yeah, 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.720 it's a part of hystoric. You cannot because they sold 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.840 all millions. Um, but it's really really fun for those 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.280 of you younger listeners who have no idea what the 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.800 internet used to look like just go used to that's 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:50.680 literally what every flashing everywhere. Yeah, so there's our little 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.480 like jaunt over to Project pixels. Well, but Project pixels 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.720 then changed. It did around the time that our website 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:04.760 showed up eleven. It changed to this homepage called the 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.720 Human Project. It's still pixel project or project pixels dot com. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.160 But then it became this little landing page that said 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.240 the Human Project. And it's like a little logo kind 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.240 of thing. I guess, three people looking at an easel 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.760 with an abstract painting on it, and then it just 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.840 says coming soon, and below it it says, uh, Project 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.960 pixels comma not owned by David Gooden, not taking your money. 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:34.160 Dot dot try again. Just can't let it go. Can't 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:40.720 let it go. So that's um August eleven. On October 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:46.440 through we are we're not actually gonna through every page. 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:52.600 But um, the next day, the homepage on dot com 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:58.240 looks totally different. Okay, so it is now a blue background, 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.760 dark blue but still bloom. And there's four five images 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.480 that are linked. The links are broken. Like I said, 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.520 we have a Steve, so we actually have all those 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.199 If you go out to the pdf, they're kind of 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.240 posted on there. The first images of a skeleton key 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.240 with like some white pixels around it, and then there's 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.520 text underneath that that says it's not nine, don't be deceived, 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.080 and I think that that's the key. I think it 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.840 might have an equal sign. Yeah, it could be an 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.600 equal sign. I think I see pixels that go down, 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.600 so it's like a rectangle. I actually swear I see 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.720 text peeking above the white lines, like it's blocked out, 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.120 and we're going to come across this in almost every 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.280 image that we talked about kind of stuff, And for me, 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.119 I guess like part of that is it's totally plausible 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.680 that there was like a watermark there. You know, it 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.080 kind of looks like there was watermark their text and 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:58.040 they just like took a on paint, I must paint, 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.840 just like crossed it out with some Then the next 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.800 image is of a patent image. Perhaps quality of the 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:07.399 patent image. I mean, I don't know if it's like 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:13.320 a successful patent or not, but it's yeah, but I've 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.080 literally no idea what it's for. I swear I saw 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:21.520 somewhere what that's supposed to be, but I cannot remember. Joe, 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.080 do you recognize that thing at all. Are you talking 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:25.760 about the thing on his fingers or the thing that's 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.000 on the table either. We don't know which is the 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.359 main point here. Yeah, I I don't know either. I 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.240 think the main point is, um, it's it's weird little 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.560 thing that goes around your thumb and your forefinger. It's 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.800 hinged to hold something and apparently I guess it's for 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:43.719 getting a good grip on things. Maybe, um, I have 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:48.600 no idea. Anyway, The next image is um hands drawn 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:54.200 hands holding flame. The next image is this woman who's 0:22:54.280 --> 0:23:00.240 going she's blacked out. It's insula and then there some 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:05.399 weird like white stuff. It's like a sound wave kind 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:10.159 of image. And yeah, and this is this is not 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.000 the only version of that photo that's out there. That's 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.440 the other weird thing. Yeah. And then what's interesting too 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.480 about that photograph is that she is completely in silhouette 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.520 and her hands in front of her face and actually 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:25.920 her thumb and three or four fingers are actually somewhat lit. Yeah, 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.240 there's a lot of hand imagery in this page, there is, uh. 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.880 And then the last one is this like really pixelated 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.560 image of like a Renaissance painting. Steve claims to know 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.399 what it is, but I don't know. I've seen it, 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.919 and the problem is in the PDF. The version that 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.520 I found originally didn't come through very well. But I 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.600 found a much smaller version. It's actually cleaner. It's it's 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.720 a painting. There's angels on the left hand and the 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.840