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Speaker 3: Everyone, Emily A Body Here. You are listening to episode

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Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty nine of Hurdle, a wellness focused

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Speaker 3: podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything from

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Speaker 3: how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We

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Speaker 3: all go through our fair share of hurdles. My goal

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Speaker 3: through these discussions is to empower you to better navigate

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Speaker 2: This isn't her first rodeo here on Hurdle.

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Speaker 3: In fact, her first episode, which I will link in

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Speaker 3: In it, she says something I reference often, how does

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Speaker 3: of you, it makes me feel like I'm doing something

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Speaker 3: right here. Make sure you're following along with the show

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Speaker 3: over on social It's at Hurdle Podcast. I am over

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Speaker 3: at Emily a Body And if you're not yet subscribed

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing that, Emily, I'm so happy to

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Speaker 3: any order today. Curious what does journaling and writing look

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Speaker 3: like in practice for you these days?

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Speaker 1: I have one of those journals. It's called one line

446
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Speaker 1: a day, and at the end of the day, I

447
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: just write what's top of mind from what happened. And

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00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: it's a five year journal, so I can sort of

449
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: see what happened last year. And the reason why I

450
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Speaker 1: do it like that is because I do feel like

451
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Speaker 1: Alice in Wonderland. I feel like I've changed ten times,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, in the last hour, and it's helpful for

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Speaker 1: me to see the progress of my journey to reassure

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00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: me and validate that I am growing, that I am learning.

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Speaker 1: The other way that I journal is when I'm preparing

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Speaker 1: to teach the class, which again is this combination of

457
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Speaker 1: mindfulness and strength training. I will journal out it's going

458
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Speaker 1: on for me, the things that I'm thinking about, the

459
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Speaker 1: things that I want to create more space for, so

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Speaker 1: that I'm not listening just to my mind, but I

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Speaker 1: can open up into listening to my intuition. And if

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Speaker 1: that word doesn't resonate with you, spirit, God, divinity, creativity, shakdi,

463
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Speaker 1: you know however your vocabulary feels it. And journaling is

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Speaker 1: one of those things where it takes the thought out

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Speaker 1: of the hamster wheel of my mind and places it

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Speaker 1: literally at a distance from me, so that I remember

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Speaker 1: that I'm not my thought. I'm the one experiencing it.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, spirituality, mindfulness, one oh one. But

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Speaker 1: if I'm writing it and I can see it, then

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Speaker 1: how can I be it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: The power in that statement so so true. And the

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Speaker 3: way that you talked about your process going into what

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Speaker 3: some people think is just a simple act of teaching

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Speaker 3: a class, right, it's really a testament to why I

476
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Speaker 3: believe your class and the experience within that room is

477
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Speaker 3: so special, right because it's something that you walk in

478
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: there and you're not just there to help people move,

479
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Speaker 3: although of course that's a byproduct, right.

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Speaker 2: You are there to move the energy.

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Speaker 3: You are there to deliver thought and be provoking, and

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Speaker 3: I feel as though there aren't many opportunities like that,

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Speaker 3: And that is also another reason why I look forward

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Speaker 3: to keeping up with you regularly. Aside from again here

485
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Speaker 3: I am complimenting you time and time again. I appreciate

486
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Speaker 3: the steps here and the order of the steps right,

487
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Speaker 3: like coming to sell first and then being able to

488
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Speaker 3: get radically clear on what has to happen next.

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Speaker 2: So where do we land then with our third thing?

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Speaker 1: The third one is I would distill it down to say,

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Speaker 1: seek input wisely. And here's what I mean by that.

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Speaker 1: If you're only going to the yes men and the

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Speaker 1: yes women in your life, whether that's externalized or internalized,

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Speaker 1: whether that's the people around you that's going to say absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's great, or the part of you that's going to

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Speaker 1: say the opposite. No, No, don't go there, don't try that.

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Speaker 1: Remember when you failed. If you're only going to the

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Speaker 1: folks who are just giving you one response repeatedly, that's

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Speaker 1: not actual advice. That's getting what you want to hear

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Speaker 1: instead of what you need to hear. So if you

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Speaker 1: get input from different parts of the business, from different

502
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Speaker 1: sectors of your life. Parent, friend, coworker, you know, therapist,

503
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Speaker 1: if you get input from different voices within you, different

504
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Speaker 1: identities that you hold. I have the identity of co CEO,

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Speaker 1: I have the identity of fiance, I have the identity

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Speaker 1: of daughter, a friend of sister, artist, of you know whatever.

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Speaker 1: And can I host a party in which I'm seeking

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Speaker 1: input from different parts of me and getting a different

509
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Speaker 1: response based on who I'm choosing to share and validate

510
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Speaker 1: my decision with. You know, you can't see your own eyes, right,

511
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Speaker 1: we know this, So true objectivity is going to require

512
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Speaker 1: a combination of outside perspective and that deep inner knowing.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, seek input. Wisely, some people.

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Speaker 1: Aren't aren't going to be listening for the sake of

515
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Speaker 1: the problem that has to be solved. They're going to

516
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Speaker 1: be listening according to their own agenda. So you really

517
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Speaker 1: have to be thoughtful and conscious with who you you know,

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Speaker 1: just like what you were saying, like press up against

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Speaker 1: what do you.

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Speaker 3: Do when it becomes clear that one of your stakeholders

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Speaker 3: may not have your best interest in mind. I know

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Speaker 3: you mentioned the phrase having their own agenda, right, and

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Speaker 3: I think especially when you're in the midst of a

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Speaker 3: difficult conversation a difficult hurdle moment or perhaps.

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Speaker 2: As we age.

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Speaker 3: There's so much conversation about friendships and evolving from friendships.

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Speaker 3: So how do you know when to take the advice

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Speaker 3: to heart versus move forward on your own path if

529
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Speaker 3: it's different?

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Speaker 2: Mm hm yep.

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Speaker 1: So many things come up for me. One, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's the old adage, if somebody shows you who they

533
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Speaker 1: are of them the first time, you know. So, if

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Speaker 1: you've got a stakeholder in your life personally or professionally,

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Speaker 1: and you know that you can't trust them, don't trust them.

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Speaker 1: But that takes practice because maybe you've been conditioned to,

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Speaker 1: maybe you've been programmed to. The Other thing that we

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Speaker 1: say at the class when we're developing our teachers is

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Speaker 1: that all feedback is a gift, not all feedback needs

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Speaker 1: to be taken. So the answer and you know, when

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Speaker 1: I was in high school and into college, I have

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Speaker 1: a BFA, I trained as an actor, and one of

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Speaker 1: the things that my teachers used to say all the

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Speaker 1: time is the only response to feedback is thank you,

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Speaker 1: and then you do with it what you will. So,

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Speaker 1: if you've got a stakeholder and you don't trust them,

547
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Speaker 1: but you have to hear them out because of the

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Speaker 1: nature of the relationship. Then you hear them say thank you,

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Speaker 1: and that is a gift. I'm happy to hear your perspective.

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Speaker 1: And then in the privacy of your own intuition, meeting

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Speaker 1: the validation of the wise inputs, then you decide are

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Speaker 1: you taking it or not?

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Speaker 3: You decide. I love these three actionable tips here. Come

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Speaker 3: back to self. Radically simplify, and then be careful who

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Speaker 3: you seek advice or input from when it comes to

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Speaker 3: then putting these into practice and moving through hard decisions.

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Speaker 3: I know that something that has greatly helped me is

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Speaker 3: doing myself the service of not attaching myself to a

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Speaker 3: specific outcome.

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Speaker 2: Have you experienced that? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I mean the one that we are in is this

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Speaker 1: practice in and of itself. The outcome I seek is

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Speaker 1: for him to live a long life. And honey, I

564
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Speaker 1: am attached. I am attached to that outcome. But what's

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Speaker 1: been amazing is that Kevin has been a teacher for

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Speaker 1: me in this regard because his relationship to what he's

567
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Speaker 1: going through is ultimately I have some skin in this game.

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Speaker 1: I have decisions, and I have will. And then there's

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Speaker 1: another aspect of this that's not up to me. So

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do the most that I can and then,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if this language resonates with

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Speaker 1: you or your listeners, but like, but then you have

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Speaker 1: to give it to God or you have to, you know,

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Speaker 1: give it to source, give it to divinity, give it

575
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Speaker 1: to the unknown, to uncertainty. And that's really really hard

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Speaker 1: when it's something as when the stakes are as high

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Speaker 1: as mortality. But it is that practice of give and take.

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Speaker 1: I can bring myself to this hard decision as fully

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Speaker 1: as I possibly can, and then something else, different power,

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Speaker 1: a different seasonality, a different energy is going to have

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Speaker 1: to meet me there.

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Speaker 3: It's like doing the best you can with what you

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Speaker 3: have in the moment and not judging that decision based

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Speaker 3: on the things that you are without. Clearly, this is

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Speaker 3: really truly a life or death situation for you. Oftentimes

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Speaker 3: we deal with decisions that have less severity attached to them,

587
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Speaker 3: and in making these difficult decisions, I have found it

588
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Speaker 3: difficult to not judge myself based on the outcome. But

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Speaker 3: over the years have come to understand that not getting

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Speaker 3: the outcome that I'd hoped for, Let's say, if it's

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Speaker 3: a specific job or it's nailing down a certain rate

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Speaker 3: on a contract, or if it's being able to take

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Speaker 3: a trip at this certain time of year, and then

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Speaker 3: something pops up. I then have the opportunity to take

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Speaker 3: these outcomes, although they are less desirable as information.

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Speaker 2: And oh my God, has not hurts me.

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Speaker 3: As I've moved forward knowing that it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: I am one way or another way because I didn't

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Speaker 3: get what I was after. It's just the information that

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Speaker 3: I need so that when I go after the next

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Speaker 3: thing that I'm excited about or try to face the

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Speaker 3: next difficult hurdle moment, that I know what could happen

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Speaker 3: and how I may handle that situation.

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Speaker 1: So good, so good, bold, im talentsized, underscore, double click.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing I would say, Emily that came

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Speaker 1: to me when you were talking was, you know, we

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Speaker 1: can practice in low steaks all the time. And the

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Speaker 1: one the example I just thought of was cooking right. So,

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Speaker 1: if you have a new recipe, get yourself together, If

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Speaker 1: you right so, get yourself in order. If you are

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Speaker 1: in a rush, if you are scared, if you are

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Speaker 1: da da da da, You're probably gonna tip over the pans,

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Speaker 1: the sauce is going to go everywhere. Okay, so get

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Speaker 1: yourself grounded, radically, simplify, make your grocery list, choose when

615
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Speaker 1: you're going to go to get your stuff, bring it back.

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Speaker 1: What's the first thing you have to do? Boil the water.

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Speaker 1: And once you get to that place where you are,

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Speaker 1: you know, tasting the soup as it were. If you

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Speaker 1: know that the person that you are sitting across from

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Speaker 1: hate salt, and you put a lot of salt in it,

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Speaker 1: well we already know what outcome you're going to. We

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Speaker 1: already know the advice of the person sitting across the way.

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Speaker 1: So see who you're bringing to dinner, you know, wisely,

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Speaker 1: choose who you're inviting to dinner wisely, and then once

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Speaker 1: you taste that soup, learn from what didn't didn't work,

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Speaker 1: too much salt, not enough, and adapt. So that here's

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Speaker 1: number four. Adapt based on your current reality, not your

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Speaker 1: old one. It's not every other time you've made this soup.

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Speaker 1: Based off of this experience of tasting your MINESTRONI learn

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Speaker 1: from it.

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Speaker 2: At first I thought we were making pasta, and I

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Speaker 2: got excited. Well, Minestroni has post.

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Speaker 3: On the note of adapting that also incorporates with who

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Speaker 3: you are now. There are so many things that I

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Speaker 3: go after that I experience, and it is so easy

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Speaker 3: to compare how it feels now now or what's not

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Speaker 3: happening now or xyz based on a previous version of myself.

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Speaker 3: And while that can be frustrating at times, the mindset

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Speaker 3: that I've chosen to adopt is that how lucky am

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Speaker 3: I to be this version of myself now and to

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Speaker 3: be able to then find the joys in a different way,

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Speaker 3: not diminishing my accomplishments or what I am capable now

643
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Speaker 3: because they capable of now because they look different.

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Speaker 2: Different does not equate too bad.

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Speaker 3: Hard stop, period exclamation point, done.

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Speaker 1: Louder for the back, louder for the back, say it again,

647
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Speaker 1: put it on a bumper sticker, Let's make t shirts.

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Speaker 2: Different is not bad.

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Speaker 3: And it's so challenging right to learn that lesson, especially

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Speaker 3: when you liked whatever was happening in that previous version.

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Speaker 2: We get attached too.

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Speaker 3: Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad.

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Speaker 2: I got nothing to adswer that.

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Speaker 3: Period exclamation point in these hurdle moments as we as

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Speaker 3: we face them, and you know, we're putting all of

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Speaker 3: these actionable tips into practice, there will be Trust me,

657
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: I can promise you this a moment where the hurdle

658
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: is behind us, or the circumstances have dramatically changed, and

659
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: maybe the problem that you were trying to solve that

660
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Speaker 3: the get go from the get go that was at

661
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Speaker 3: one point so.

662
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Speaker 2: Clear, isn't the same problem anymore.

663
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Speaker 3: So once someone is on the other side of this challenge,

664
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Speaker 3: do you have any advice for then implementing whatever it

665
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: is that they've learned along the way.

666
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Speaker 1: That's a great question. I personally have a I have

667
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: a very unique relationship to the bathroom mirror because you know,

668
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Speaker 1: one of the things that I really had to work

669
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: on growing up is a better self image? Right who

670
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: didn't Who wasn't?

671
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: You know?

672
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 2: Were we all teenagers at one point?

673
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm still there, Natalie girl, We're all We're

674
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: working on it. We're working on it this entire lifetime.

675
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I started to do

676
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: was a I created my own series of mirrors, art

677
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: mirrors for this whole reason, stemming from this, where I

678
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: would write the reminder on a sticky note and I

679
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: would put it on the bathroom mirror, where I see

680
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: it all the time, so that that thing that I learned,

681
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: that mantra, that realization, that remembrance isn't it needs repetition

682
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: in order to strengthen. Right, we say this at the

683
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: class all the time. What you were eat, you strengthen.

684
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: So be careful what you're repeating. Be careful, be full

685
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: of care with what you're repeating. So if I just

686
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: came into a new revelation, a new muscle was discovered,

687
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: a new thought pattern that I want to foster and feed,

688
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I need to give it the gift of my attention. Well,

689
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: every single day I look in the bathroom mirror twice

690
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: a day brushing my teeth. So at minimum, right, so

691
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: if I put the sticky note on the bathroom mirror,

692
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: I at least know that there's a minimum of two

693
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: touch points in my day where I'm strengthening the mantra,

694
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: the reminder of the invitation, the blessing, whatever word speaks

695
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: to you. And that's how I developed. It's this mirror series.

696
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: It's called Make the Sun, and it's these art mirrors

697
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: that are you know. My favorite one says choose kind eyes.

698
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: And so every time I look in the mirror, I'm

699
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: reminding myself choose to see in a kinder way, and

700
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: that's my way of strengthing the newly formed lesson.

701
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: That is a beautiful mantra toose kind eyes. And I

702
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: have a feeling I'll be writing that myself in a

703
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: what's that type of sharpie that rubs off dry erase, I'll.

704
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: Be writing, get it in sharpie, girl.

705
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: Oh.

706
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Speaker 3: I don't think my rental my rental building would like

707
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: that so much, but I really appreciate that.

708
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Speaker 2: And it's a simple step, right.

709
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: It doesn't need to be a complete life overhaul to

710
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: integrate these lessons. And the other thing I will say

711
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: that may have to happen before you even get to

712
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: this point of taking the sharpie or the dry erase

713
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: marker to your bathroom mirror is doing yourself the favor

714
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: and often something that can be very difficult and reflect right.

715
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 3: Sometimes when we get to the other side of these

716
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: hard moments, the last thing that we want to do

717
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: is go back over things that caused us pain. But

718
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: in the execution of reflecting, and in the execution of

719
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: taking the time to think about how you felt, is

720
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: arguably the hardest part. You can then look at it

721
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: with less emotion attached to it now that you're on

722
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: the other side. Again, It's not easy, right, and no

723
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: one expects it to be. But whether that exercise is

724
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Speaker 3: done on your own, or with the help of friends,

725
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: or perhaps with the help of a therapist or a

726
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: life coach, however you choose to do that reflecting, I

727
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: encourage you to do it because that is truly how

728
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: you strengthen, and that is truly how you then take

729
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: those lessons into whatever it is that you'll face moving forward.

730
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Speaker 3: You are saying it, you are saying it. I actually

731
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: cannot sing, Can I tell you that? People ask me

732
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 3: all the times when they hear like this voice, they're

733
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: like 'or.

734
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Speaker 2: Just thank you? You do as well? I can't sing,

735
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: not for the life of me. I can't even whistle.

736
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Speaker 1: Actually, I often say that if I could have one

737
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 1: superpower other people want to fly, I want to sing.

738
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: I think singing as a superpower. I missed out on

739
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: that one didn't get in that DNA line. Something I want.

740
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Speaker 3: To double click on from earlier in our conversation was

741
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: you were talking about, as you were navigating the initial

742
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: blunt trauma of finding out about your partner's condition, that

743
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: you were also learning leadership and leading at the same time.

744
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: Flush that out a little bit for me and what

745
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: that experience was.

746
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Speaker 2: Like for you.

747
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Speaker 1: I was one year into the new role of co

748
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: CEO when this happened, and admittedly, I think I spent

749
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: a lot of that first year bullied by my own

750
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: impossible or syndrome and really had intuitions about things that

751
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: I let either my mind or different opinions overshadow and eclipse.

752
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until this rude awakening of the diagnosis

753
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: where I had to get strong inside myself and I was,

754
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, my heart had something to push up against

755
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: right that I started to find a new level of

756
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: my voice, of standing up from my voice, of using

757
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: my voice, of meeting my intuition with data and bringing

758
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: that to the team, and you know, practicing becoming much

759
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: more objective, and practicing not people pleasing my way through

760
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: a hard decision or through leadership, but rather doing exactly

761
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: what we just talked about, getting centered, radically, simplifying choosing

762
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: who I'm inviting to the dinner table or the boardroom

763
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: or the decision or the conference room, and then standing

764
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: up for that decision and seeing it through, getting behind it,

765
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: and now you know, two years into it, so much

766
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, challenge and so much that's been harrowing. I

767
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: feel more capable and more able to create a good

768
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: environment for myself and for the team, to get it

769
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: all out on the table, choose what's most strategic and execute.

770
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Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit about leading with vulnerability,

771
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: truly like the act of leading, not just like starting

772
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 3: with And I say this because I feel as though

773
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: there are multiple perspectives on whether or not it can

774
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: be a beneficial thing, and that there is such a

775
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: thing if you choose to be vulnerable in a work

776
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 3: capacity as responsible vulnerability, right, Can you share a little

777
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: bit about what that has looked like in practice for

778
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 3: you as you've really adopted and adapted into this role.

779
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

780
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's such a great question. I think if you

781
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: are centered in your vulnerability, then your leadership becomes relatable

782
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: and accessible. If you are caustic in your vulnerability, you're

783
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: throwing it around, you're not centered in it. It's chaotic

784
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: in the I don't know, then it's irresponsible vulnerable ability.

785
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: Now you've just made your vulnerability somebody else's problem and

786
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: they feel like they have to caretake potentially, And so

787
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: it's about owning your sense of vulnerability rather than like

788
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: proselytizing it. So how do you own your sense of vulnerability? Well,

789
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: this is the same three steps, get your state and order. Okay,

790
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: So let's drop out of the nervousness, the insecurity, let's

791
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: drop into the truth is I don't know, let's find

792
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: out together. But if you're walking around the office with

793
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: your head cut off.

794
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. What are we going

795
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: to do?

796
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: Now?

797
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: You've just injected fear into all of your teammates. Yeah,

798
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: if you center your feet, you take a deep breath,

799
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: and you look somebody in the eye and you say

800
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: with confidence, I don't know, let's find out together, that's

801
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: entirely different.

802
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: It is entirely different.

803
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: And it also beckons the question, are there landmark moments

804
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: that have taught you this approach previous to the last

805
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: two years? What has helped you get to this place

806
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: of radical understanding?

807
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: Making mistakes?

808
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: What's helped me get here is falling on my face

809
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: and having to get back up of being the chicken

810
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: with the head cut off, being the person who's overly

811
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: protected intense, being the one who is completely overwhelmed. And

812
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: it is that process. This is really full circle of reflecting.

813
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: Once I'm out of the woods and out of the

814
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: mist and I look back at that, you know, at

815
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: the forest or the weather system. Wow, Okay, what happened there?

816
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: Where did I lose myself? Where did I lose myself?

817
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: And what tools do I have now to relocate myself?

818
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

819
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: And I'm grateful that, you know, we've really cultivated a

820
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: kind and communicative and generous environment behind the scenes of

821
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: the class because we can have those honest conversations, and

822
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: I can go to certain teammates and say, like, let's

823
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: do a Roses and Thorns. Let's go back into not

824
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: only how that initiative moved through it, but how did

825
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: we move with that initiative, and how can we get

826
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: better and stronger and more conscious for the next one.

827
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: January twenty twenty four, Roses and Thorns, you go first.

828
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Speaker 1: So in the last couple of weeks, the thorn I

829
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: would say is that I believed my doubt about myself.

830
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: I had really a long essay about all the reasons

831
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: why I wasn't good enough or should be worried. And

832
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: for a while there I really let that color, my perception,

833
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: and my rose is that I had pockets where the

834
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: sun shone through that weather system, and it was the

835
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: reminder and continually looking for that ray of light, really

836
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: continually taking my attention and placing it on. I know

837
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: that's not true. That's my old self realignment. My rose

838
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: is my ability, my continued practice in realigning myself to

839
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: what's true instead of what's fictional.

840
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 3: Alignment a strong word for twenty twenty four. What about

841
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: you give me your roses and thorns. My thorn is

842
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 3: a little bit more literal. I would say there's a

843
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: spill that I took running two to three weeks ago.

844
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 3: I went flying and really did a doozy on my ribs.

845
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: I think they're just bruised.

846
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: Admittedly I didn't get imaging because every doctor and my

847
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 3: physical therapist, so doctors and my physical therapists told me

848
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: that you really do the exact same thing for a

849
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: bruised rib as you do for a broken one. And

850
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 3: I've slowly been healing, but still things like lying down

851
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: and coughing don't feel stellar, and that in itself is frustrating.

852
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: I was briefly quite concerned about being able to move

853
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: forward with my plan to run a marathon not too

854
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: far from now, and I'm very thankful that my body

855
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 3: has enabled me to continue on with that plan. Either way,

856
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: we certainly would have figured it out. My rose, I

857
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 3: would say, has been rerealization of truly how supported I am.

858
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: Aside from the unexpected trip, fall, whatever, launch into the

859
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: abyss that we want to call it, I've been dealing

860
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: with just some other health stuff that has been frustrating

861
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: at times, in addition to just life is lifing, and

862
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: I am so grateful for the individuals that are in

863
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: my corner everywhere I turn, relationships that are so real

864
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: and so pure and so beautiful. And the older I get,

865
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: the more mature and wonderful.

866
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: And deep they get.

867
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: And for that, I am so so so just blessed

868
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: to say.

869
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: Out loud, that's so beautiful. And Emily, that fictional story

870
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: that you told us about the gal who took a

871
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: spill just you.

872
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: Know, asking for a friend, Oh my god, fact versus fiction, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's just pretend I drummed that three nights ago and

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Speaker 3: it didn't really happen. I'm reminded of it every single

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Speaker 3: day when I like sneeze or call or try to

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Speaker 3: lay down in Shivasna.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, truly, Emily, you are one of those beacons

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Speaker 1: of light and that support system and that friend. I

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Speaker 1: know that I could knock on your door and you'd

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Speaker 1: give me the real, real And I'm just so grateful

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Speaker 1: to be to have crossed paths with you in this

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Speaker 1: lifetime and to be in conversation with you really truly.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, I forgot.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to offer your listeners a month on the

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Speaker 1: Class's digital platform if they wanted to try it.

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Speaker 2: What a sweetie, How nice are you?

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Speaker 1: It would be a gift if you care to check

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Speaker 1: it out the class dot com backslash Natalie and at

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Speaker 1: a l I E and.

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Speaker 2: Check it out. Thirty days to practice your practice.

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Speaker 3: You're already doing my job for me here as we

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Speaker 3: wind down, I would be remiss if I didn't ask

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Speaker 3: you how's Kevin doing these days?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, thank you for tying up that looseen, because

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Speaker 1: that would have been maybe potentially scary. He is healing,

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Speaker 1: his cancer is shrinking, it is retracting, and we have

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Speaker 1: our mind is set on full recovery, full remission, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to get there.

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Speaker 3: And now you have a few thousand understatement, people that

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Speaker 3: are hoping that you get there too.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear that, Natalie.

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Speaker 3: For those that don't follow along with you just yet,

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Speaker 3: give us your info. How do they do that? How

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Speaker 3: do they keep up with you? How do they follow

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Speaker 3: the class? We want to know it all. Bless your heart.

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Speaker 1: On Instagram at the Class and on Instagram at this

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Speaker 1: is Natalie Beautiful. I'm over at Emiabadi and at Hurdle

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Speaker 1: Podcast Another Hurdle Conquer Catch you guys next time