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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember you were screaming at the sidelines of

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<v Speaker 1>the WNBA or something.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I got a cold and I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a Better Who concert, so I was singing to I

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<v Speaker 2>waited out, and then next day I woke up. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like done. Anyway, Helen, Welcome to the Renee Stuff

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<v Speaker 2>Tennis podcast. What a week of tennis. I am in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually watched the men's final in Majorca yesterday in Spanish,

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<v Speaker 2>which was kind of great. But before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the men's final, we have to talk about the women's

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<v Speaker 2>We got to talk about the tournament in general. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a husky voice. No, it's because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>smoke a pack of cigarettes when I arrived in Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>I s lifestyle just lends itself to you know, Gene

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<v Speaker 1>Tonic and Sie and well, we are like ships in

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<v Speaker 1>the European night. Because I just flew back from Athens

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<v Speaker 1>and watched tennis on planes, trains and automobiles this past

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days. We have so much to get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with the women.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's kind of like the first time that

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<v Speaker 2>we were like almost speechless going into a podcast because

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<v Speaker 2>that match was just unhinged yesterday between Sinner and Alcarez.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, let's let's start with the women because we've

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<v Speaker 2>got so much to talk about. Normally it's the other

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<v Speaker 2>way around. Normally we're like losing our minds about the

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<v Speaker 2>women and we're like, all right, let's talk about the guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's give both the finals their owed drama filled

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<v Speaker 2>before we get to the finals. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>just touch upon the semi finals because there were things

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<v Speaker 2>that happened in the semi finals that also need to

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<v Speaker 2>be discussed. Let's talk about the eager Hiantech match with

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<v Speaker 2>sable Anka, high intensity. From the get go of that match,

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<v Speaker 2>sable Anka would have possibly played the best set of

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<v Speaker 2>tennis I've seen from her. In the third set, she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make one error, and when you think about how

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<v Speaker 2>many errors she made in the final, just think about

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<v Speaker 2>that for a second. I do believe having the roof

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<v Speaker 2>closed helped her a tremendous amount though, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've sort of talked about the roof being closed and

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<v Speaker 2>how that helps her ability to be able to strike

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<v Speaker 2>the ball a lot easier. It's just in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>Sabalanka just a little bit too good.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you talk a little bit more about the roof

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<v Speaker 1>that is such an object of controversy, especially for people

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<v Speaker 1>who correctly understand it as being an advantage for certain players.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it came up earlier this tournament with Novak Djokovic.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to imagine that IgA loses that match or at

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<v Speaker 1>least the third set that badly if the roof is open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, listen, so you know, when the roof is closed,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no variables, there's no sun to deal where, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no wind to deal with. And for me, Sabalanca is

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<v Speaker 2>truly it helps her a lot. I think it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why she plays so well in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also one of the reasons why I think Novak

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<v Speaker 2>has played really well in Melbourne through the years, is

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<v Speaker 2>that the Melbourne court is it feels quite interior. It

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<v Speaker 2>feels quite like an indoor feel because of the way

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<v Speaker 2>it's built. It has the roof that comes all the

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<v Speaker 2>way over, so there's not a lot of wind that

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<v Speaker 2>gets in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The US Open used to be a horrible court to

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<v Speaker 2>play on with wind. It now doesn't suffer from the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>Even andre Agassi I remember him walking on the court

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<v Speaker 2>the first time he saw the roof closer the US

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<v Speaker 2>Open and he's like, oh, it's completely different. There's no wind,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why it gets so hot in there. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why you talk about like it's better of sweating like

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<v Speaker 2>so much during the US Open. So all these stadiums

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<v Speaker 2>now have this roof, there's not a lot of wind.

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<v Speaker 2>The French Open still gets quite a lot of wind

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<v Speaker 2>when the roof is open. I don't know why. It's

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the way the stairwells a belt. The wind gets

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<v Speaker 2>in there differently, gets a bit swirly. And there's no question, Saballenka,

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<v Speaker 2>it helps someone like her because she can throw that

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<v Speaker 2>ball toss that brings rain. It's like twenty feet in

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<v Speaker 2>the air. When you don't have to worry about wind,

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<v Speaker 2>you can smash your sir, you can smash your ground strokes.

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<v Speaker 2>The ball is going to be in the exact right position,

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<v Speaker 2>and so variables do change when the roof closes, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it and helps someone like her. I was

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<v Speaker 2>surprised there was some pundit to like, oh, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to help eager because it's going to slow the

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<v Speaker 2>conditions down. I'm like, Sablenka doesn't care if it's heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>She can hit through that. So I think that really

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<v Speaker 2>helped her with the roof close. Having said that, she

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<v Speaker 2>still had to hit the ball perfectly, and she did

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<v Speaker 2>that against the Eager in the third set, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why she got the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>So just staying on the semifinal a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>the other one was quite lopsided. And obviously we'll give

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<v Speaker 1>Coco her fair share of do for getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>final and obviously what happened in the final. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that we talked about a lot coming into

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<v Speaker 1>this tournament, titled an entire podcast episode the Worry Index,

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<v Speaker 1>and put Ega at the top of it because she

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<v Speaker 1>had had a rough start to the year and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a rough start to clay season, which was the most

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<v Speaker 1>surprising probably part of all. I actually don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>was such a terrible tournament for her, I think considering

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<v Speaker 1>how she came into it, you know, losing to a surging,

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<v Speaker 1>almost unbeatable Sebilenka in the semifinals. Yeah, I'm sure it's disappointing. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>she's won the tournament a handful of times. She was

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<v Speaker 1>by some accounts, the favorite, but actually she wasn't my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite to win it because of the form that she had,

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually think this was sort of a positive outcome,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I'm sure she's disappointed. I'm sure she, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>would have liked to have gotten through the final, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe would have taken you know, a different

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<v Speaker 1>a different narrative turn. But actually, for me, the Ega

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<v Speaker 1>narrative is not so so dire as it was at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the of the Rilla and Guerra swing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, listen, I think she'd be highly disappointed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when she got into the third said she

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<v Speaker 2>probably thought she could win that map, and the quality

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<v Speaker 2>was very, very good from her throughout, but that that

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<v Speaker 2>was just I mean, for Arena Sabalanca to not make

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<v Speaker 2>one unfour Sarah in that third set, that was I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's unheard of, even for her standards. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>she just got beaten in the end by a surging

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, better player in the and I said

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<v Speaker 2>it on you know, the social media's confidence is an

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<v Speaker 2>extra arm right when when you go into a tournament

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of confidence, which she did and Eager

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<v Speaker 2>did not. That's where it showed in that semi final

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<v Speaker 2>now in the final, it was a completely different story,

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<v Speaker 2>and we do want to give some flowers to Boss

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<v Speaker 2>on that lucky lose, a French player who made it

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<v Speaker 2>all the way the semifinals, which is pretty incredible. The

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<v Speaker 2>difference is her heavy spin on the forehand, which hurt

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of players in the tournament because you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see that a lot on the w TA two. Most

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<v Speaker 2>women have flatterer brown strokes. Boss Won's frehand top spin

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<v Speaker 2>hurt a lot of players, you think about it, Jessica Pagoula,

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<v Speaker 2>who likes the ball sort of more in her like

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<v Speaker 2>hip area, not above her shoulders. It didn't hurt Coco

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<v Speaker 2>because Coco loves Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's western forehand. That's like, you're exactly your strike zone.

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<v Speaker 1>You want that in her back end, it's exactly so

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<v Speaker 1>she I mean, and she just went out to lunch

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<v Speaker 1>on that that game.

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<v Speaker 2>So for Coco it was like, oh, great, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to hit your fourhand flat to my forehand. Fine,

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<v Speaker 2>I can handle the spin. I move better than you.

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<v Speaker 2>My back ends ten times better than you. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a terrible matchup for her in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>and too good from Coco.

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<v Speaker 1>When one thing about Boss just really quickly. She really

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me. She really reminded Sam. Yeah, she looked exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like Sam Stoser to me, she looked like Sam Stosser

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<v Speaker 1>in like Jenny Brady's body.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, she reminded me a lot of Sam in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways, like the really strong, you know, muscle, biceps,

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<v Speaker 2>storter and stature, but just that beautiful kick, serve, the

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<v Speaker 2>heavy forehand, you know, back end is the weakest, but

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<v Speaker 2>she can slice very similar to the way Sam plays.

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<v Speaker 2>So I expect to do well on clay going forward

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<v Speaker 2>in her career. I think he's going to give her

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of confidence and that big kick surve on hardcourt.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people like she should get a walkout

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<v Speaker 2>into Wimbledon. I'm like, look, just because someone had one

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<v Speaker 2>amazing tournament doesn't mean you necessarily give them a worldout,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly on grass. Will her game be the same on grass? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it will be. We'll see how she

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<v Speaker 2>does going forward, but in the end, you don't just go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's give her a walkout right away. I didn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that statement, but hey, listen, if she's great

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<v Speaker 2>a player as we expect her to be, she'll make

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<v Speaker 2>it there. In the future.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be watching for her during the hard court swing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, just like Sam stows her that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the hard courts will be a little bit more favorable

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<v Speaker 1>to her game style. But yeah, it was exciting to see. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now let's get into the final. WHOA. This final had everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It had everything. It had some extremely high moments, it

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<v Speaker 1>had some extremely low moments, it had some gutsy moments,

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<v Speaker 1>it had some gutless moments, It had some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>ugly moments afterwards. But ultimately, I think a lot of us,

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<v Speaker 1>especially you who called it and I was extremely dubious,

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<v Speaker 1>so hats off to you. I think it made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people very very very very happy, including me. Candidly,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like both those players. But I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the love we have for Cocoa Golf and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the tough love we've had for her this year,

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<v Speaker 1>I think was really, you know, amazing to experience watching

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<v Speaker 1>that three set thriller. What are your I know you

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<v Speaker 1>were very active about this on social media too, So

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<v Speaker 1>please just give me everything from start to finish from

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<v Speaker 1>your impressions, because I have very little dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you'll lit'll appreciate this. Our friend Daniel Crannon said,

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<v Speaker 2>your Twitter feed was like an RSS feed, So I

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<v Speaker 2>was like old days, like piping out like I was

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<v Speaker 2>at war. Wow. All I can say is I did

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<v Speaker 2>call it a little bit. I mean I did say

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<v Speaker 2>on ESPN dot com that I picked sabalancat slightly and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean slightly. But then during the match, what I

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<v Speaker 2>noticed immediately in that first set when it was full

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<v Speaker 2>one to sable Anca and she hit that serf to

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<v Speaker 2>got five one I believe, and it was called a

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<v Speaker 2>let and everything changed after that, and I saw her

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety level hit the roof. I mean, I have not

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<v Speaker 2>seen her lose her marbles like I saw it in

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<v Speaker 2>this match from that moment on, and I saw Coco

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<v Speaker 2>just calmly dig her way back into the match. And

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<v Speaker 2>I knew even if she lost that first set, I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like she knew that that arena was at her

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<v Speaker 2>wits end. And I knew as soon as she broke

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<v Speaker 2>in that first game the second set, I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a completely different match. It's now coming down to

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<v Speaker 2>then you hit winners against me because I Am not

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<v Speaker 2>going to miss Coco goth And that's how she was

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<v Speaker 2>when she won the US Open. When she won all

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<v Speaker 2>those tournaments leading to the US Open a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, she was in lockdown mode. She was not

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<v Speaker 2>going to miss replyn She's not gonna hit winners on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's not going to miss it. She wasn't double folding.

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<v Speaker 2>She double folded nine times in the match, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>but for her that's not too bad, particularly against Sabolenka,

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<v Speaker 2>who one time she lost I think six, four, seven, five,

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<v Speaker 2>and third hitting nineteen double folds. So I'm like nine

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<v Speaker 2>is nothing for her. And I just felt the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>was on her side. She was not missing. Sablenka was losing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was like she was a crackhead. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like not with control. How out of control she

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<v Speaker 2>was with her players box in the final, it was

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<v Speaker 2>I got interpreted what she was saying to them. She

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<v Speaker 2>was yelling at them, why are you even effing here?

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like NonStop and that's just stress and

0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:41.960
<v Speaker 2>her outward clear emotions got the better of her. But

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<v Speaker 2>Coco was like steady Eddy and she was not going

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<v Speaker 2>to miss under pressure and the key for her in

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<v Speaker 2>the end, And I said it leading into the last

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<v Speaker 2>game when she served for the match. Get your first

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<v Speaker 2>serve in the court, no matter what. You don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to get a free point on your serve. You're beating

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<v Speaker 2>her in the rallies, the crowded behind you, stay in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, get the first serve in the court. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what she did in the last game, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what she hasn't done in a couple of big matches

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<v Speaker 2>of late where she's double folded and she's given her

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<v Speaker 2>opponent the win are basically and Sabalanca missed on that

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<v Speaker 2>one break point in this four or five game. A

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<v Speaker 2>second serve terrible era off of the return. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>you have to make the return if you SABALANKI don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to go for the winner there. And she went

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<v Speaker 2>for the winner and missed it. And you could tell

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<v Speaker 2>Kirker was like, oh, okay, you know what, she's not

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the winners like she would normally because she's lost

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<v Speaker 2>her mind. Let me get back to making my first serve,

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<v Speaker 2>which he did and she ended up winning the match.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, she hit that shank forehand on match

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<v Speaker 2>point at landon on the line. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>players hit balls, shank balls. They hit the line all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. And you have to be able to handle yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sabalanca made an error on that backhand, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know on Instagram and on Twitter and all these speeds,

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<v Speaker 2>like she made seventy unforced eras she gave her the match.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like people, it's like when Steffie Graft used to

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<v Speaker 2>lose to a rancher, Sanchez mccaria, a rancher had a

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<v Speaker 2>losing record against Steffie, but when she beat her, it

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<v Speaker 2>was because she made Steffie play one more ball and

0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Steffie got a little bit nervous and she'd miss. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what Coco did to sabal Anka. Saballenka pressed because

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<v Speaker 2>she's playing against the fastest player we've ever seen on tour,

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<v Speaker 2>making more balls than anybody we've ever seen on tour.

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<v Speaker 2>And on top of it, when the ball goes to

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<v Speaker 2>her backhand, she can hit a winner on it. And

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<v Speaker 2>her forehand was great and she mixes the different spins

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<v Speaker 2>and Petko has talked about it on this podcast. She

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<v Speaker 2>had those big heavy spins on the forehand and then

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<v Speaker 2>she smashes the back end. Then she's chipping the forehand.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not making an error and that made Sabalanka miss

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<v Speaker 2>and that is all it comes down to. Tennis is

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<v Speaker 2>about hitting the ball in between the lines and winning

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<v Speaker 2>the point. And that's what she did better than Sablenka.

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<v Speaker 1>I thank you for that. Soup to nuts, incredible sort

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<v Speaker 1>of recap of a lot of different things, tactical, emotional, mental,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the thing that is really stuck with me

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<v Speaker 1>and something I don't give Coco enough credit for, because

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<v Speaker 1>God knows, I've been critical of her game from time

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<v Speaker 1>to time again out of love, because I love who

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<v Speaker 1>she is. I love the the on and off court both.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she's a representative of the game, she's showing

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<v Speaker 1>up at the things, she's political like, everything about her

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<v Speaker 1>I can't help but love at times the game itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so hard to for me to love a big, hitting, aggressive,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of alpha player. That is is just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of my preference, which is why I have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time, hard time appreciating the counterpunchers. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I think I super super super am impressed by with

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<v Speaker 1>Coco is everything you just talked about in terms of resilience,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of just extreme mental fortitude, the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>commit and refuse to lose, and the ability to hang

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<v Speaker 1>in even though you're going through you know what is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of adversity, certainly with the first set

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<v Speaker 1>with Arena getting up because as you said, when I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that Coco had leveled the first set, I thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>even if she loses this, now it's a match. The

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<v Speaker 1>only way Arena wins it matches blows her off the court, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget go was up full one in the tiebreak

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<v Speaker 2>as well, so there was a little bit of oh damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I could have won that set, but I think it

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<v Speaker 2>set her to go, I can win this match.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And I think one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>came out afterwards and shout out to New Balance and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of her other like sponsors and partners who

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<v Speaker 1>work with her because they've done such a wonderful job

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<v Speaker 1>obviously that they put her in Mew Mew, which later

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<v Speaker 1>ended up not like adhering to the rules of the

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<v Speaker 1>f FT, which honestly is probably its own podcast, because

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<v Speaker 1>the f FT as much to love as I give

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<v Speaker 1>this slam, like who man, you understand, Yeah, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons, their digital content takedown requests for digital creators,

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<v Speaker 1>their rules there, you know, as a good body. We

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<v Speaker 1>have some notes, But for me, the fact that Coco

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<v Speaker 1>Goff wrote not only to herself a manifestation letter saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I will win the US, I will win the French Open,

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<v Speaker 1>I will win Rollangaros, I will be victorious in Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>and just reinforcing belief, the fact that she had like

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<v Speaker 1>a dream about it three or four years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>it was sort of like courageous and vulnerable enough to

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<v Speaker 1>put it out there. Like I just feel from a

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<v Speaker 1>human being perspective, you know, it's hard not to love Coco,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think she's such an exemplary human because of

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<v Speaker 1>how she gracefully and graciously and elegantly handles hardship, and

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<v Speaker 1>how she gracefully and elegantly and I think really inspirationally

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<v Speaker 1>handles victory and success. And she willed herself into that position,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think there is something for all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot hit like Arina Seblinka, and I never will,

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<v Speaker 1>and I never could. I can't run as fast as

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<v Speaker 1>Coco Goff, and I never can and I never will.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can imagine going through things that are hard

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<v Speaker 1>and having self belief and willing myself into a position

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<v Speaker 1>by having unwavering sort of commitment, and I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>to me is just unbelievably impressive. And I think every

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<v Speaker 1>single person who saw that, whether they understood that what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening or not, can take something away from that,

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<v Speaker 1>including Arena Sbalanca. I don't think that was her takeaway,

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<v Speaker 1>which we should also talk about, because she was salty

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that was I don't think befitting a

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Slam champion and a leader of our game, candidly,

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<v Speaker 1>but just to stay in Coco for a second, I

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<v Speaker 1>think for me, when you strip away all the tactics,

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<v Speaker 1>when you strip away all the head to heads, when

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<v Speaker 1>you strip away some of the stuff that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we tend to get caught up in from results, and

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<v Speaker 1>you just focus on the fact that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>person who committed. It's sort of staggering and it's so

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<v Speaker 1>well deserved, and I'm really happy for her.

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<v Speaker 2>I just know what's at such a young age to

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<v Speaker 2>be that mature and that graceful about things. And let's

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<v Speaker 2>not forget this was a kid that came on to

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<v Speaker 2>the to her with a big splash. Oh yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of pressure on her shoulders. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>she has now backed it up by winning two Grand

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<v Speaker 2>Slams on two different surfaces. Is testament to her upbringing

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<v Speaker 2>her parents her team. I got to give her credit for,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, adding a couple of different people to her

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<v Speaker 2>team in the last six months. It's just a fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>display of resilience and just her as a person, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, knowing her the little bit that I do,

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<v Speaker 2>what you get is what you see. And she is

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<v Speaker 2>a special kid, and I'm We're so lucky to have

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<v Speaker 2>her in the game. Let's talk about what afterwards. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what happened afterwards. It was I immediately I

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<v Speaker 2>when Arena got up and listen, I have not lost

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<v Speaker 2>in the finals of a singles Grand Slam, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>lost in a doubles Grand Slam on that very court.

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<v Speaker 2>I have lost matches where I want to when I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, I want to leave court. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say anything notice about my opponent. I was a

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<v Speaker 2>terrible loser. I'm saying it right out here in the open.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can tell you I've never got on the

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<v Speaker 2>mic as much as I've seeded my opponent or disliked

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<v Speaker 2>the way I lost and said I played terrible. You're

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<v Speaker 2>lucky to win. Essentially, I could not believe those world's

0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.320
<v Speaker 2>words came out of her mouth, and you could tell

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<v Speaker 2>immediately she started to cry the moment she got a

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<v Speaker 2>mic and I was like, oh, my heart broke for her.

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<v Speaker 2>The crowd were ready to put their arms around her

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<v Speaker 2>and cheer her and give her a five minute standing

0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.359
<v Speaker 2>ovation like they've done so many times through the years

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<v Speaker 2>with so many great champions, and those words came out

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<v Speaker 2>of her mouth and the crowd went get silent, and

0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh no, no, no, reel that back,

0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.159
<v Speaker 2>reel that back, and she didn't reel her back. And

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<v Speaker 2>then she went into press and she doubled down on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, this is so bad. And I

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to a couple of players about this and

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<v Speaker 2>all of them said I was I gave her impossible

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:05.680
<v Speaker 2>what she said on the court, because.

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<v Speaker 1>The seconds after losing, you got a microphone in your face,

0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.080
<v Speaker 1>your brain has scrambled eggs, been there, and also you've

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<v Speaker 1>been holding the microphone. I get why you are emotional

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe say some less than charitable things. Fine, no way, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>doubling down in the press conference and basically calling like

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<v Speaker 1>let's just illuminate and elucidate some of the things that

0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.280
<v Speaker 1>she said, which were, among other things, the match was

0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:33.160
<v Speaker 1>lost because she played badly, no credit to Coco. The

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<v Speaker 1>the semi final that she played and beat Ego would

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<v Speaker 1>have beaten Coco, which like, maybe if that is true,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just does that need to be spoken out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all? Just doubling down, uh, and yeah, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of throwing a tantrum in a way that I felt like,

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, now that you've had some time to reflect this,

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<v Speaker 1>you've showered off, maybe you've debriefed with your box who,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, she was pretty salty to in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that I didn't love. And again, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>hated the moment. And we've had a lot of you know,

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.240
<v Speaker 1>back and forth about various players getting motivated by various things.

0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, people like Novak obviously like that sort of conflict.

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Other people, you know, need to hear constant support. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to kind of give some leeway, although I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't like to be talked to you like that if

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<v Speaker 1>I were her coaching team. But yeah, the doubling down

0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.760
<v Speaker 1>in the press and just the amount of text messages

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<v Speaker 1>I got from casual fans over the weekend being like,

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<v Speaker 1>ish this, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a lot to I got a lot of I

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of Oh man, I loved sable Anca.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know anymore, like you know, she she

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<v Speaker 2>It took her twenty four hours after that to write

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, an apology essentially on Instagram. But I'm like, girlfriend, no,

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:55.159
<v Speaker 2>that was so bad, and there's there's no excuses for it, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just none. And that's coming from me, who, as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I've said some stuff in press. I've said

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<v Speaker 2>some like you never take it away from your opponent.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially that a Grand sam final like that, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>the player who has also beaten you in another Grand

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Sume final. It's not like she got lucky. And this

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<v Speaker 1>was the first time anyone has ever heard of Coco.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like and also, but Caitlin, you have to know

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.120
<v Speaker 2>as an opponent. You have to know as a player,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you attributes that your opponent does well and

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.359
<v Speaker 2>frustrating the hell out of you and getting one more

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.199
<v Speaker 2>ball back in the court. Nobody onto I does it

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 2>better than Poco well? And you know on clay you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have controlled aggression and if you don't have

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 2>controlled aggression, you are going to lose, and so you

0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:40.560
<v Speaker 2>have to give credit to your opponent no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened in this match.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think what was sort of astonishing to me

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<v Speaker 1>about it was not only was it kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>I get how it was salty, I get how it

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, emotional and painful, but I also didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think it was particularly self aware in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, oh, you want to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to take away something from the match. We'll get to

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:01.879
<v Speaker 1>this in a second, because I think there was some

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:06.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting insights similarly from Alcoriz and Center, although obviously opposite ones,

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 1>which is just like, understand what happened. You got tight,

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you overhit, You were being out out maneuvered and out

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.199
<v Speaker 1>mentally mentally positioned by somebody who has your number in

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 1>this way, like is your game possessing of more fireworks

0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 1>and more exciting? Certainly to me absolutely, that said, the

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 1>tools don't count if you can't utilize them in the

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 1>right way, in a smart way, and the best kind

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of player to play against you as somebody who can

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:37.440
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to neutralize your weapons and get one

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>more ball back in the court, which clearly has not

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>only worked in this match, but has worked in finals

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that you've played before, including at the US Open. So

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>like I found it not only ungracious, I found the

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 1>lack of self awareness, yes, sort of like And also,

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:52.199
<v Speaker 1>what do you think happened out there? Do you think

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.359
<v Speaker 1>she just got lucky for three sets? Like? No, you

0:23:54.880 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 1>she did that on purpose against you, dummy.

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And also on top of that, you have to

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 2>also know that Caitlon Coco has one of, if not

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the best back end in the game. And your backhand,

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 2>as good as Sabalanca's backhand is it can be, it

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 2>is neutralized and then hit back with more by Coco.

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 2>And so you know that her strength, her forehand is

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 2>a weakness and she's not making error because she's hitting

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.400
<v Speaker 2>high tops of in for you, which is not where

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>you like the ball. And then on top of it,

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 2>when there's like a short ball, Coco doesn't try and

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>hit the living shit out of it like you do.

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.680
<v Speaker 2>When it's in a low position in front of the

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>service line, she'll tip it back, she'll get it into

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 2>the court. Instead, Savallenka tries to hit the living daylights

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 2>out of it and missus it and goes, oh, well,

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that's just unlucky. No, that's tennis. You put the ball

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 2>back in the court. That's what you're supposed to do.

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 2>And like a perfect example is when she had that

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 2>easy volley on top of the net and tried to

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 2>hit the living daylights out of it and smashed it

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 2>into the net. It ended up not costing her in

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 2>that occasion, but that's on you. You can just hit

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that into the open court and win it, but instead

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 2>you tried to crush it and you missed it. There

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>are just little nuances about playing tennis that are more important,

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 2>and in the end, it's about hitting the ball over

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the net and in between the lines. And that's what

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Coco did, and she kept her shit together and that's

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 2>why she's holding the trophy now and now a two

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 2>time Grandsime champion. And it was great to see and

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>she was gracious and she handled herself in pressed even

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>after someone told her what Arena said in the press conference.

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>She handled that with class. This kid is so special,

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.159
<v Speaker 2>so great to see. And I may have said it.

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 2>I may have said it after Rhan look out Coco,

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 2>look out for Coco at the French Open.

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, now I do have to say, I

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 1>think Arena's winning Wimbledon. I really do. We'll come back

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to this, but I think now she's she responds pretty

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 1>well to this kind of thing, I think, and she

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 1>we've seen it before where she goes back and gets

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>extra fired up. What I would like to see is

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>her be a little more self aware. This seems like

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a really good opening for a little graciousness. And I

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 1>want out of my number one. I want chrisma, I

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>want fireworks, I want all the stuff, but I also

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>want a leader. And so there are ways that Arena

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Seblinka can improve on and off the court, and I

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a challenge that I want her to

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>do it, but absolutely fantastic from my viewpoint outcome from

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Coco you called it, uh, and yeah, it is wonderful

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that we have her now is a two time Grand

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Slam champion. One is not a fluke. Two is a statement.

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>And you know, let's see where she goes from here,

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>because I think this has to give her just a tremendous,

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:07.239
<v Speaker 1>tremendous amount of confidence, self belief, and you know, if

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>it was lacking before, just the idea that fortitude and

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>resilience is something that she has obviously an abundance of.

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Which we could only use, you know, all of us

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>London to said it forever, if she was going to

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 2>win a Slam, was going to be the French because

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 2>they're aforehand. It gives them more time. YadA, YadA, YadA.

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>It's the one the US Open, which surprised us of

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>all the slams for her to win that one over

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 2>the French. But now look out, like lookout, because her

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 2>confidence going back to the French Open is going to

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 2>be sky high and I cannot wait to see it

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 2>because I think her and Eger and Sabolenca are going

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 2>to be fighting for that spot for years to come.

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's get to the guys, speaking of world number ones,

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.879
<v Speaker 2>that are gracious, great role models. Oh my god, that

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>final before we get to that, speaking of great role

0:27:55.240 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>models in the sense of careers, had I think and

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I said it, I think that's the last we're going

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 2>to see of Novak Djokovic at the French Open. That

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>walk off is not what we normally see. But my god,

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 2>even that semi final, the level of tennis in that

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 2>match was so sky high. Alkoraz the course got the

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 2>walk over default with Masseti MASSTI was playing great for

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 2>one set and then sort of like he's going to

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>have to work on his ability to play long five setters.

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 2>We know that it's cost him a few times now,

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>particularly at the French Open, But that semi final was unbelievable.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Level was so good, and I just think that Novak

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of saw a little bit of the end of

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the road going. I played really well and I didn't

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>win a set, And there's little things that Novak did

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>in that semi final that also showed a little bit

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 2>of his age and just his drop in level just

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>ever so slightly, and Sinner's ability his level is just

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>higher now on a consistent basis, is that Novak made

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 2>errors at times you just don't normally see it in

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>those moments of like years ago, and I saw the

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>errors come, just basic errors, like an easy fourhand. He

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>went for that one forehand on that set point and

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>it missed by like, you know, a good two or

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>three feet. Normally, if he's going to miss, it's like

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe an inch. You just see him missing balls that

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't miss usually. And I just think father time

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>has caught up with him in that respect. And I

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 2>think that's why he sees kind of the end of

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the road, because listen, no Vev Jocovitch doesn't want to

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>lose in quarters and sent me to the Grand Slam.

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Sky's won twenty four of them, and so I just

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>as much as I would like him to stick around

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 2>because him against Sinner and Alcarez is always so mind blowing,

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>but I think that's the last time we're going to

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 2>see him at the French He kind of alluded to

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>it almost in the press conference afterwards as well. I

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 2>think he still is a huge chance at Wimbledon. I

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>really do believe that for sure, and I think he's

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking about maybe this rain Open because he's won it

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>so many times, that being his swan thong out of

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 2>the tour. But that was the fabulos semi final, but

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>also showed where Sinner's at, and so I don't know

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>if you want to talk about that semi final, and

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>then onto the final was.

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Just I have very little to add obviously, Mussetti fitness

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and injuries not kind of how you want that match

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to end. But I think it was Alcoraz's match no

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>matter how you slice it. I do love the season

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>on clay that Lorenzo Mussetti has had. And I think,

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, if for nothing else than the esthetics of

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the game, the one hit a backhand, the fits, Yeah,

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the cuteness. I mean, it's just such a good you know,

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>it's such a good and potent sort of I don't

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>want to say counter narrative, but you know, it is

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>starting to feel a little bit like Sinner and Alcoraz

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of the oxygen. So having interesting compelling

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>characters with alternate game styles into late stages of matches,

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>like a drag japer with the big lefty, fourhanded serve

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>or Lorenzo with the one hit backhand. You know, you

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>want the you don't want it to just be a

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>two person show. I don't anyway. That always sort of

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>bummed me out about the like Nadal Federer years, although

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could do worse, you could do worse

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>than those two. But yeah, just quickly on the semifinals,

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it did feel like, especially the way he talked about it,

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe no backs last and I think he knows he's

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.239
<v Speaker 1>not on the level and I think he sees how

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 1>hard it is to get there Wimbledon yet let's see.

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, onto the final I mean what, I don't

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of words for what. This is just

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>about as good as our sport gets. I think it's

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>just about as good as the sport gets. I think

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>before we say anything about the final, I want to

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>talk about what he didn't have. It didn't have anybody

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>bitching to the umpire or being a baby about the

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>weather or the conditions or the umpires or the ball kids.

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>It didn't have any like dodgy medical timeouts that take forever.

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>It didn't have any moments where you're kind of like,

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>oh God, this guy again with this thing. It had

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>two incredible respected, equally certainly equally competitive and equally interesting

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>narratives coming together. But it didn't have on any of

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that like kind of drama like a lot of times

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>when Americans and I don't relish being an American all

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>the time for previous reasons, but you know, when we

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>watch European football and everyone's like diving all the time

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and appealing to the umpire for a card, it sort

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of reminds me sometimes of the men in late stage

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>of the tournament where they just get a little in

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.239
<v Speaker 1>their feelings, you know, and I just want to call

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>out the refreshing lack of that. In this match. There

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>was no drama. The only drama was between the net

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and the two baselines. And I think for me, that

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>is about as pure an advertisement for tennis as you

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>can possibly have. And I just want to say how

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>much I like that.

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.719
<v Speaker 2>I think the most contrary seal thing was seeing from

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you Onixina was when he questioned the call was it

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 2>like Bible or something in a fifth set when the

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>serv was clearly out thirty all a massive point in

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 2>the match. I can't remember exactly the game, but it

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 2>was and he looks at as Raki and he's like

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>it was out like and he goes and he shows

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the mark and that was the most the angriest you'll

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>aver see yn ex center on the tennis court. And

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>he let it go. And then afterwards, even if in

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 2>the worst speech of his life, he thanks the umpires

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 2>and the Luttons people. I'm like this guy, oh my god.

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 2>But that's sidebar the match. You know, when you we

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of I nitpick at things, and he did this

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>and there's nothing you can say. There's nothing you can say.

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Who sets the love playing unbelievable tennis? Yannick hitting the

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 2>ball so hard. At the beginning of this match, coming

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 2>out with this purpose of I know I've lost you

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot. I know this is Clay, I know you

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the defending champion. I know you just beat me a

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago. I am coming out to win

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 2>this match. And he was striking the ball so big.

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It was insane how well he was hitting the ball.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Carlos was looking up like, I can't, how am I

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 2>going to deal with this? And he just hung in there,

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 2>down two sets to love, one love and a break

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and that sort of turned the tide a little bit, right.

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Carlos got the break back and I was like, okay,

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and then the crowd started getting into it. The momentum

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 2>started getting by Carlos. Carlos started feeding the crowd. And

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 2>there's one I guess there's only one critique, but you

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 2>really it's really hard for a player that's not like

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 2>this to get the crowd on their side. Yannick is

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:50.359
<v Speaker 2>not an outwardly emotional human being. He's very stoic. He's

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 2>very quiet, and so the crowd don't gravitate to him

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like they do Carlos. Carlos's game is a lot more

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 2>flair and a lot more bummus and getting the and

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>begging the crowd to help him, and they loved it,

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and they stayed with him through the entire match. And

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Yanick is kind of just like you. Just he's like

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.439
<v Speaker 2>that kid where you just feel sorry for it because

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you like just get a little bit more emotional on

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 2>the crowd get behind you too. It's just like there

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>was just nothing in this match that you could critique. Nothing.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, could Yanick have served a little better

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 2>when it counted when he was serving for the match. Sure,

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 2>he didn't get a lot of first serves in that

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 2>hurt him at love forty. I don't think he could

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>have been more aggressive. Carlos played an incredible three points

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to get back to juice. It's like it was just

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>it was just tennis at another level. It was just

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the fact that John McEnroe even said that these two

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>at their peak could beat Yanick, could beat Ruffi on

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the daling play. I don't know about that, but I mean,

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>this is where they have taken the sport to a

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>level that I actually didn't think was possible, which is

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 2>hard to imagine. They moved better than anyone I've ever

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 2>seen on the court. I mean, you Onix Sinner is

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>six foot four, he moves like he's five ten. He's slid.

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 2>He got to that one drop shot and to rebreak

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 2>at five to four in the fifth set, to go

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 2>fifteen forty on Carlos a serve and he put his

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 2>arms in the air and he was like finally getting

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 2>the crowd on his side a little bit. It was

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>just it had everything. And then you have Alcoraz stepping

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>into that fifth set tiebreak, playing that tie break better

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 2>than I've ever seen anyone play tennis. And one of

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 2>the things that you Nix Inner is known for is

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>how well he plays tiebreaks because he's usually the more

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>aggressive player, and he got a hand at the Carlos

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 2>because he's the one that ended up being the more

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 2>aggressive early on in that tie break, and that's what

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 2>got him the wind. It was. It was just mind

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 2>blowing how good it was. And then the speeches afterwards,

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 2>everything was just I couldn't agree more with you. It's

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the most one of the most exceptional five and a

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>half hours of tennis I've ever seen.

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Similarly, for those of us who can't contemplate hitting as

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>hard and moving as well and being as present as

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:15.760
<v Speaker 1>a Yannick Center or somebody who can have the variety

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 1>and the bag of tricks and the incredible guts and

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>hutzba to to play the way that Alkaz played even

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>when his back was against the wall, especially when his

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>back was against the wall. You know, I struggle to

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>like look for ways that people can kind of get

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.879
<v Speaker 1>their minds around it who don't understand just how high

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the level of this tennis is, because hopefully it speaks

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 1>for itself and when you watch it, you know, I

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>think when you hear which is why I brought up,

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, Coco's note to herself and just the self

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>belief and the willingness to ride through tough times on

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the court to get to a place where you're now winning.

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 1>The thing that I want to make make sort of

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>an example of is how Alcarez talked about being down

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 1>not only two sets, but in that fourth set having

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 1>three match points on you know what otherwise would have been,

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, the remaining seconds of the match, you know,

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and he just says, when the situations are against you,

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:21.399
<v Speaker 1>you have to keep fighting. It's a Grand Slam final.

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 1>It's no time to be tired. It's no time to

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 1>give up. It's time to keep fighting. Try to find

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>your moment, just go for it. You know, these champions

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>are made in these moments, and there's a reason it

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>ends up on T shirts and mugs and you know,

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>on plaques on the entrances to Grand Slams because it's

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>so trite seeming, but when you see somebody do it

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 1>in action, you were reminded as to the bravery it takes,

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, to not lose your shit, to not stop

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 1>being courageous to you know, Yannick plays maybe one of

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>those points slightly differently or some you know, gust of

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Wind carries one of Alkaaz's balls out, who knows, and

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 1>you know he would be the gracious, you know, celebratory

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.879
<v Speaker 1>runner up. And the fact that Yannick, to his incredible credit,

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously went out gave an incredible performance, was stunned in

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the aftermath and just said, you know, I'm not sure

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>what the takeaway here is. It's just this happens. Sometimes

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I left everything I could out there. You just have to,

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, put this match in the past and keep

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>moving forward. All of that is true. All of those

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>things are true, you know, the skill, the bravery, the luck,

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the toss of the coin a little bit,

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and this is kind of how that felt to me,

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>which is not again not to take anything away from

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>two people just absolutely playing at their top level, but

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>rather just like an acknowledgment of how special that was.

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>And you know, there there's I think, nothing but amazing

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>things to expect from them both. So I couldn't be

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.399
<v Speaker 1>happier with to me, honestly, both finals I thought were

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>very different, but the outcomes were both very, very great,

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and I think they illustrated just how good the sport

0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 1>can be, how interesting it can be, what the content

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>as to characters and tactics and styles is, you know.

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>And I think the fact that everyone involved was in

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>their twenties is an indication for me, which especially on

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the men's side, it's been a long time since we

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>had somebody in a in a you know, position of

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>winning in Carlos's case, their fifth Grand Slam when they're

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>in their early twenties. The last time somebody did that

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 1>was literally rough at it all. So for me, the

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>fact that it is just the beginning for so many

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>of these players is a really really, really exciting prospect.

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you think about that Sinner was about to

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 2>was one point away from winning his fourth, so they

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:34.919
<v Speaker 2>would have been four each.

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:35.399
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, So these two we never thought, you know, we

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>talk about this all the time. No one's gonna win

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty again, There's no way. And I'm like, these two quids,

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy, right, They're gonna have to beat each

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 2>other to do it. But as you were telling me,

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, your sort of take on the bigger picture

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 2>of that final, I couldn't help but think about the

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.879
<v Speaker 2>reason these two are where they are and how good

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 2>they are as tennis waz is because the interesting part

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 2>of the footprint on that court that is indelible and

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be there for the rest of history of

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Rafael Nadal, his footprint on that court, of the ultimate

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 2>warrior on clay, on that court as a sportsman, as

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 2>a competitor, as the guy that he is, and the

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 2>fact that those two young men would have looked up

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 2>to him for twenty years, I mean ten fifteen years

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>of their young tennis career as the person to be like.

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 2>And then on top of it, you had Novak Djokovic

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 2>still pushing the number one player every set six four, seven, seven, six,

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 2>and being so close to going into the fort set

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 2>and sending, you know, the goodbye to the French crowd there.

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just remarkable when you think about the footprint on

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 2>the court and the guy that one of them beat

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>in the semifinals at thirty seven years of age, that

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the reason they are at the highest of levels our

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Carezence Inner is because they had to jump and equate

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 2>themselves to Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic and the Roger Federers,

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 2>but more importantly Novak and Rafa because they've been around

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years. It's just so poignant and

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 2>perfect that that longest final in French Open history was

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>that match yesterday, and then you had this incredible young woman,

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Cocoa Goff, achieving what she did against a player that

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:37.320
<v Speaker 2>has been virtually almost unstoppable this year. It was just

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 2>as you said, two incredible finals that and just a

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 2>tournament that I will not forget for a long a

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:46.839
<v Speaker 2>long long time.

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't be I think happier with how both of

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the slams have gone this year, having Maddi Keys victorious

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>after real real nail biter, especially the final and the

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 1>semifinal against Eager, having Sinner just so beautifully and confidently

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.840
<v Speaker 1>step into the sort of inner circle of greatness. I

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 1>think you probably argue, who is already there?

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm really happy with how tennis.

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Is shaping up this here. Yeah, and one thing I

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:20.359
<v Speaker 2>wanted to add, to see Sinner stand there the way

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 2>he did, and the way he spoke in that speech

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:28.879
<v Speaker 2>after the match was so incredible. I mean, it kind

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of makes me emotional thinking about it because I can

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 2>only imagine how incredibly the only thing he let on

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 2>when it's going to be tough to sleep tonight. And

0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you something, He's going to ruminate over

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 2>those match points. Not today, not tomorrow, not next week,

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 2>He's going to ruminate over those for the rest of

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 2>his life. Trust me, He's going to think about that

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 2>at some point in his day for the rest of

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 2>his life. And all I could think about watching that

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 2>match as well. One thing that did come out of

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 2>it is that thank God, Hey, I don't have kids,

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 2>but be that I don't have kids that play professional sports,

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>because to sit there and watch those parents go through

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>what they went through yesterday, especially Janik Sinner's mom, she

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 2>looked like she literally, I mean, she was had tears

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 2>in her eyes when he had three match points right,

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you think an hour and a half later,

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 2>she's still out there begging and hoping and praying that

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 2>he wins. Then you've got al Choriz's parents sitting there

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>like you know, it's okay no matter what. You can

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 2>see where both of these kids get, like their capacity

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.280
<v Speaker 2>to be good people because the parents and of themselves

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 2>so well, Coco's mom raying her joy when Coco won.

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just you know the stress that the parents

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.439
<v Speaker 2>and I did think about Sabalanka who lost her father

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 2>years ago, who got her into tennis, Like there's so

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 2>many backstories that people don't know, Like, you know, she

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>lost her dad. That has to weigh on her and

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>way emotionally on the tennis court as well. You just wonder,

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>you know where that comes from. Is that part of

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:09.439
<v Speaker 2>her being upset on the court thinking about those things

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that her dad would tell her in those times.

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but like I just think about these parents,

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 2>My God. Love to all the parents out there that

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>have kids play sports and professional sports and that live

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 2>in those moments, my God, Like kudos to you guys,

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>because wow, I mean the camera shots The one thing

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 2>about the FFP too, I hope they're directors and their

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>producers work a little bit better on not showing the

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:38.839
<v Speaker 2>crowd every single point which they do. Their camera work

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>is not great. That's all I'm going to say. They

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.399
<v Speaker 2>cut off the men's doubles hugging each other and went

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 2>to their box. That was one moment where I was like,

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>are you joking? So when people like yell at T

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and T or Tennis channel or ESPN days, we don't

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>have control sometimes of the camera. The only control we

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 2>have is over American produced tennis matches, like at the

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 2>US Open. Esp AND controls that feed. But like and

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.240
<v Speaker 2>you know the American television, where is it the French?

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>We don't control that. So don't yell at Tea and

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Tea or you know, ESPN at Wimbledon if if you

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 2>don't get the shot you want, because it's not really

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>up to us. But you know, the shots of the

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 2>parents yesterday was just like I just kept thinking, how

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 2>did they do this? How did they do this? Well?

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I can only speak as a parent watching your kid

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>do something low stakes, but it is hard not to

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>have your heart in your throat. And I think the

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>fact that uh uh, certainly for Cocoa and the two men.

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Everyone comported themselves extremely well and played extremely well. And

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I think what you want is your kid to you know,

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>be a good human being. And yeah, I just so much,

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>so much to say about how fantastic this Calay season

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>ended up. I hate to say it because I'm sort

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>of you know, this is my favorite time of the year.

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for change. I'm ready for a visual change.

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for grass. I'm ready for you know. I

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 1>love the grit, I love the I was playing on

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>some beautiful clay courts over the weekend in Lefada, a

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>suburb of Athens, which was amazing. But I'm ready for

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>something else. I just want a visual reset. I need

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<v Speaker 1>the pristine, you know, manicured line part of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>which is now already upon us. I turned on the

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<v Speaker 1>TV this morning and people are already playing in Queens,

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<v Speaker 1>They're already playing at the HSBC, They're already playing a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of different locations. So I'm ready for it. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>The Boss Open is well underway. They're playing in the Netherlands.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like, let's go me too, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>beauty of clay was displayed so incredibly well in these finals.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting one more ball back in the court makes a

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<v Speaker 2>big difference on clay variety. I think that's where Yannick

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<v Speaker 2>if there's one thing you can take away from it

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<v Speaker 2>just getting a little bit more variety. Maybe he can

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<v Speaker 2>implement a drop shot, because I think that's what Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>did really well on some big occasions. Yesterday he threw

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<v Speaker 2>in that exceptional bourhand drop shot at times where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, are you kidding me? You know, Yani doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>hit it as much. Maybe that something you can implement

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<v Speaker 2>on clay. If he wants to beat Carlos. On hard court,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit harder to implement that, which is

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<v Speaker 2>why Sin is so good on hardcourt. But going into

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<v Speaker 2>the grass, look, who's going to win Wimbledon. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I did sort of mention that I think Rebarking is

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<v Speaker 2>one to watch wombledon as well, because her game lens

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<v Speaker 2>itself so beautifully on grass and she composes herself so

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<v Speaker 2>well on the court. But look, I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>the nuances and the differences of grasses. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>be attacking, you have to be creative, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be more aggressive. So we'll see who comes out

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<v Speaker 2>on top at Wimbledon. But as far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still getting over of the clay, which is opposite

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<v Speaker 2>because normally I'm not for the clay, for the grass,

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<v Speaker 2>and You're like, still, well, we're still playing on clay.

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<v Speaker 2>But Caitlin, we're usually lost for work. I'm usually not

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<v Speaker 2>lost for words, but I have to say this last

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours was lost. Forty eight hours has been

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<v Speaker 2>really amazing. And yeah, I can't wait for the grass

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<v Speaker 2>to start, but I'm going to I'm going to save

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<v Speaker 2>for those two matches, particularly that men's final, for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple more days.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's check in in a week's time. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows where our travels will take us, but we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>lots to discuss. Queens has women for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>in a long time. Uh, and yeah, we'll leave everyone

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<v Speaker 1>on a high note. Chef's kiss for the two finals.

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<v Speaker 2>Chef's kiss, and my voice will not sound like this

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<v Speaker 2>next week, hopefully unless I do a little too much

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<v Speaker 2>parting here in Spain. But anyway, guys, thanks for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us today. What a memorable, memorable a couple of days

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope you enjoyed this episode. Thanks guys, to

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<v Speaker 2>see you next week. Show adios,