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Speaker 2: some like you never take it away from your opponent.

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Speaker 1: Especially that a Grand sam final like that, especially with

429
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Speaker 1: the player who has also beaten you in another Grand

430
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: Sume final. It's not like she got lucky. And this

431
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: was the first time anyone has ever heard of Coco.

432
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Speaker 2: It's like and also, but Caitlin, you have to know

433
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: as an opponent. You have to know as a player,

434
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: what are you attributes that your opponent does well and

435
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: frustrating the hell out of you and getting one more

436
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 2: ball back in the court. Nobody onto I does it

437
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: better than Poco well? And you know on clay you

438
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: have to have controlled aggression and if you don't have

439
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: controlled aggression, you are going to lose, and so you

440
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: have to give credit to your opponent no matter what.

441
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: And that's what happened in this match.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what was sort of astonishing to me

443
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: about it was not only was it kind of like,

444
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: I get how it was salty, I get how it

445
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: was you know, emotional and painful, but I also didn't

446
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: think it was particularly self aware in a way that

447
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: was like, you know, oh, you want to be able

448
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: to take away something from the match. We'll get to

449
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: this in a second, because I think there was some

450
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: interesting insights similarly from Alcoriz and Center, although obviously opposite ones,

451
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: which is just like, understand what happened. You got tight,

452
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: you overhit, You were being out out maneuvered and out

453
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: mentally mentally positioned by somebody who has your number in

454
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: this way, like is your game possessing of more fireworks

455
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: and more exciting? Certainly to me absolutely, that said, the

456
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: tools don't count if you can't utilize them in the

457
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: right way, in a smart way, and the best kind

458
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: of player to play against you as somebody who can

459
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: figure out how to neutralize your weapons and get one

460
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: more ball back in the court, which clearly has not

461
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: only worked in this match, but has worked in finals

462
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: that you've played before, including at the US Open. So

463
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: like I found it not only ungracious, I found the

464
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: lack of self awareness, yes, sort of like And also,

465
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Speaker 1: what do you think happened out there? Do you think

466
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: she just got lucky for three sets? Like? No, you

467
00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: she did that on purpose against you, dummy.

468
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also on top of that, you have to

469
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 2: also know that Caitlon Coco has one of, if not

470
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: the best back end in the game. And your backhand,

471
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: as good as Sabalanca's backhand is it can be, it

472
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: is neutralized and then hit back with more by Coco.

473
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: And so you know that her strength, her forehand is

474
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: a weakness and she's not making error because she's hitting

475
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: high tops of in for you, which is not where

476
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: you like the ball. And then on top of it,

477
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: when there's like a short ball, Coco doesn't try and

478
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: hit the living shit out of it like you do.

479
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: When it's in a low position in front of the

480
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: service line, she'll tip it back, she'll get it into

481
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: the court. Instead, Savallenka tries to hit the living daylights

482
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: out of it and missus it and goes, oh, well,

483
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: that's just unlucky. No, that's tennis. You put the ball

484
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: back in the court. That's what you're supposed to do.

485
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: And like a perfect example is when she had that

486
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: easy volley on top of the net and tried to

487
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: hit the living daylights out of it and smashed it

488
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: into the net. It ended up not costing her in

489
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: that occasion, but that's on you. You can just hit

490
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: that into the open court and win it, but instead

491
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: you tried to crush it and you missed it. There

492
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: are just little nuances about playing tennis that are more important,

493
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: and in the end, it's about hitting the ball over

494
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: the net and in between the lines. And that's what

495
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: Coco did, and she kept her shit together and that's

496
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: why she's holding the trophy now and now a two

497
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: time Grandsime champion. And it was great to see and

498
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: she was gracious and she handled herself in pressed even

499
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: after someone told her what Arena said in the press conference.

500
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Speaker 2: She handled that with class. This kid is so special,

501
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: so great to see. And I may have said it.

502
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: I may have said it after Rhan look out Coco,

503
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: look out for Coco at the French Open.

504
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, now I do have to say, I

505
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: think Arena's winning Wimbledon. I really do. We'll come back

506
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: to this, but I think now she's she responds pretty

507
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: well to this kind of thing, I think, and she

508
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: we've seen it before where she goes back and gets

509
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: extra fired up. What I would like to see is

510
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: her be a little more self aware. This seems like

511
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: a really good opening for a little graciousness. And I

512
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: want out of my number one. I want chrisma, I

513
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: want fireworks, I want all the stuff, but I also

514
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: want a leader. And so there are ways that Arena

515
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: Seblinka can improve on and off the court, and I

516
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's a challenge that I want her to

517
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: do it, but absolutely fantastic from my viewpoint outcome from

518
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: Coco you called it, uh, and yeah, it is wonderful

519
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: that we have her now is a two time Grand

520
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: Slam champion. One is not a fluke. Two is a statement.

521
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: And you know, let's see where she goes from here,

522
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: because I think this has to give her just a tremendous,

523
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of confidence, self belief, and you know, if

524
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: it was lacking before, just the idea that fortitude and

525
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: resilience is something that she has obviously an abundance of.

526
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: Which we could only use, you know, all of us

527
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: London to said it forever, if she was going to

528
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: win a Slam, was going to be the French because

529
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: they're aforehand. It gives them more time. YadA, YadA, YadA.

530
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: It's the one the US Open, which surprised us of

531
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: all the slams for her to win that one over

532
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: the French. But now look out, like lookout, because her

533
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: confidence going back to the French Open is going to

534
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: be sky high and I cannot wait to see it

535
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: because I think her and Eger and Sabolenca are going

536
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: to be fighting for that spot for years to come.

537
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: Let's get to the guys, speaking of world number ones,

538
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: that are gracious, great role models. Oh my god, that

539
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: final before we get to that, speaking of great role

540
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: models in the sense of careers, had I think and

541
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: I said it, I think that's the last we're going

542
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: to see of Novak Djokovic at the French Open. That

543
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: walk off is not what we normally see. But my god,

544
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: even that semi final, the level of tennis in that

545
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: match was so sky high. Alkoraz the course got the

546
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: walk over default with Masseti MASSTI was playing great for

547
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: one set and then sort of like he's going to

548
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: have to work on his ability to play long five setters.

549
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: We know that it's cost him a few times now,

550
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: particularly at the French Open, But that semi final was unbelievable.

551
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: Level was so good, and I just think that Novak

552
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: sort of saw a little bit of the end of

553
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: the road going. I played really well and I didn't

554
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: win a set, And there's little things that Novak did

555
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: in that semi final that also showed a little bit

556
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: of his age and just his drop in level just

557
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: ever so slightly, and Sinner's ability his level is just

558
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: higher now on a consistent basis, is that Novak made

559
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: errors at times you just don't normally see it in

560
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: those moments of like years ago, and I saw the

561
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: errors come, just basic errors, like an easy fourhand. He

562
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: went for that one forehand on that set point and

563
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: it missed by like, you know, a good two or

564
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: three feet. Normally, if he's going to miss, it's like

565
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: maybe an inch. You just see him missing balls that

566
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: he doesn't miss usually. And I just think father time

567
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: has caught up with him in that respect. And I

568
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: think that's why he sees kind of the end of

569
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: the road, because listen, no Vev Jocovitch doesn't want to

570
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: lose in quarters and sent me to the Grand Slam.

571
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: Sky's won twenty four of them, and so I just

572
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: as much as I would like him to stick around

573
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: because him against Sinner and Alcarez is always so mind blowing,

574
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: but I think that's the last time we're going to

575
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: see him at the French He kind of alluded to

576
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: it almost in the press conference afterwards as well. I

577
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: think he still is a huge chance at Wimbledon. I

578
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: really do believe that for sure, and I think he's

579
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: thinking about maybe this rain Open because he's won it

580
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: so many times, that being his swan thong out of

581
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: the tour. But that was the fabulos semi final, but

582
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: also showed where Sinner's at, and so I don't know

583
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: if you want to talk about that semi final, and

584
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: then onto the final was.

585
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Just I have very little to add obviously, Mussetti fitness

586
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: and injuries not kind of how you want that match

587
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: to end. But I think it was Alcoraz's match no

588
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: matter how you slice it. I do love the season

589
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: on clay that Lorenzo Mussetti has had. And I think,

590
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, if for nothing else than the esthetics of

591
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: the game, the one hit a backhand, the fits, Yeah,

592
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: the cuteness. I mean, it's just such a good you know,

593
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: it's such a good and potent sort of I don't

594
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: want to say counter narrative, but you know, it is

595
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: starting to feel a little bit like Sinner and Alcoraz

596
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of the oxygen. So having interesting compelling

597
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: characters with alternate game styles into late stages of matches,

598
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: like a drag japer with the big lefty, fourhanded serve

599
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: or Lorenzo with the one hit backhand. You know, you

600
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: want the you don't want it to just be a

601
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: two person show. I don't anyway. That always sort of

602
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: bummed me out about the like Nadal Federer years, although

603
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you could do worse, you could do worse

604
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: than those two. But yeah, just quickly on the semifinals,

605
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: it did feel like, especially the way he talked about it,

606
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: maybe no backs last and I think he knows he's

607
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 1: not on the level and I think he sees how

608
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: hard it is to get there Wimbledon yet let's see.

609
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, onto the final I mean what, I don't

610
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of words for what. This is just

611
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: about as good as our sport gets. I think it's

612
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: just about as good as the sport gets. I think

613
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: before we say anything about the final, I want to

614
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: talk about what he didn't have. It didn't have anybody

615
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: bitching to the umpire or being a baby about the

616
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: weather or the conditions or the umpires or the ball kids.

617
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: It didn't have any like dodgy medical timeouts that take forever.

618
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: It didn't have any moments where you're kind of like,

619
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: oh God, this guy again with this thing. It had

620
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: two incredible respected, equally certainly equally competitive and equally interesting

621
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: narratives coming together. But it didn't have on any of

622
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: that like kind of drama like a lot of times

623
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: when Americans and I don't relish being an American all

624
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: the time for previous reasons, but you know, when we

625
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: watch European football and everyone's like diving all the time

626
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: and appealing to the umpire for a card, it sort

627
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: of reminds me sometimes of the men in late stage

628
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: of the tournament where they just get a little in

629
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 1: their feelings, you know, and I just want to call

630
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: out the refreshing lack of that. In this match. There

631
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: was no drama. The only drama was between the net

632
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: and the two baselines. And I think for me, that

633
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: is about as pure an advertisement for tennis as you

634
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: can possibly have. And I just want to say how

635
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: much I like that.

636
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 2: I think the most contrary seal thing was seeing from

637
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: you Onixina was when he questioned the call was it

638
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: like Bible or something in a fifth set when the

639
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: serv was clearly out thirty all a massive point in

640
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: the match. I can't remember exactly the game, but it

641
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: was and he looks at as Raki and he's like

642
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: it was out like and he goes and he shows

643
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: the mark and that was the most the angriest you'll

644
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: aver see yn ex center on the tennis court. And

645
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: he let it go. And then afterwards, even if in

646
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: the worst speech of his life, he thanks the umpires

647
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: and the Luttons people. I'm like this guy, oh my god.

648
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: But that's sidebar the match. You know, when you we

649
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: kind of I nitpick at things, and he did this

650
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: and there's nothing you can say. There's nothing you can say.

651
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: Who sets the love playing unbelievable tennis? Yannick hitting the

652
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: ball so hard. At the beginning of this match, coming

653
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: out with this purpose of I know I've lost you

654
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: a lot. I know this is Clay, I know you

655
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: the defending champion. I know you just beat me a

656
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. I am coming out to win

657
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: this match. And he was striking the ball so big.

658
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: It was insane how well he was hitting the ball.

659
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: Carlos was looking up like, I can't, how am I

660
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: going to deal with this? And he just hung in there,

661
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: down two sets to love, one love and a break

662
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: and that sort of turned the tide a little bit, right.

663
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: Carlos got the break back and I was like, okay,

664
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: and then the crowd started getting into it. The momentum

665
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: started getting by Carlos. Carlos started feeding the crowd. And

666
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: there's one I guess there's only one critique, but you

667
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: really it's really hard for a player that's not like

668
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: this to get the crowd on their side. Yannick is

669
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: not an outwardly emotional human being. He's very stoic. He's

670
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: very quiet, and so the crowd don't gravitate to him

671
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: like they do Carlos. Carlos's game is a lot more

672
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: flair and a lot more bummus and getting the and

673
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: begging the crowd to help him, and they loved it,

674
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: and they stayed with him through the entire match. And

675
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: Yanick is kind of just like you. Just he's like

676
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 2: that kid where you just feel sorry for it because

677
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: you like just get a little bit more emotional on

678
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: the crowd get behind you too. It's just like there

679
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: was just nothing in this match that you could critique. Nothing.

680
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, could Yanick have served a little better

681
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: when it counted when he was serving for the match. Sure,

682
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: he didn't get a lot of first serves in that

683
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: hurt him at love forty. I don't think he could

684
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: have been more aggressive. Carlos played an incredible three points

685
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: to get back to juice. It's like it was just

686
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: it was just tennis at another level. It was just

687
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: the fact that John McEnroe even said that these two

688
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: at their peak could beat Yanick, could beat Ruffi on

689
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: the daling play. I don't know about that, but I mean,

690
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: this is where they have taken the sport to a

691
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: level that I actually didn't think was possible, which is

692
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: hard to imagine. They moved better than anyone I've ever

693
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: seen on the court. I mean, you Onix Sinner is

694
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: six foot four, he moves like he's five ten. He's slid.

695
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: He got to that one drop shot and to rebreak

696
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: at five to four in the fifth set, to go

697
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: fifteen forty on Carlos a serve and he put his

698
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: arms in the air and he was like finally getting

699
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: the crowd on his side a little bit. It was

700
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: just it had everything. And then you have Alcoraz stepping

701
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: into that fifth set tiebreak, playing that tie break better

702
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: than I've ever seen anyone play tennis. And one of

703
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: the things that you Nix Inner is known for is

704
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: how well he plays tiebreaks because he's usually the more

705
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: aggressive player, and he got a hand at the Carlos

706
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: because he's the one that ended up being the more

707
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: aggressive early on in that tie break, and that's what

708
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: got him the wind. It was. It was just mind

709
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: blowing how good it was. And then the speeches afterwards,

710
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: everything was just I couldn't agree more with you. It's

711
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: the most one of the most exceptional five and a

712
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: half hours of tennis I've ever seen.

713
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: Similarly, for those of us who can't contemplate hitting as

714
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: hard and moving as well and being as present as

715
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: a Yannick Center or somebody who can have the variety

716
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: and the bag of tricks and the incredible guts and

717
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: hutzba to to play the way that Alkaz played even

718
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: when his back was against the wall, especially when his

719
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: back was against the wall. You know, I struggle to

720
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: like look for ways that people can kind of get

721
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: their minds around it who don't understand just how high

722
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: the level of this tennis is, because hopefully it speaks

723
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: for itself and when you watch it, you know, I

724
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: think when you hear which is why I brought up,

725
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, Coco's note to herself and just the self

726
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: belief and the willingness to ride through tough times on

727
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: the court to get to a place where you're now winning.

728
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: The thing that I want to make make sort of

729
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: an example of is how Alcarez talked about being down

730
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: not only two sets, but in that fourth set having

731
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: three match points on you know what otherwise would have been,

732
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, the remaining seconds of the match, you know,

733
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: and he just says, when the situations are against you,

734
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: you have to keep fighting. It's a Grand Slam final.

735
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: It's no time to be tired. It's no time to

736
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: give up. It's time to keep fighting. Try to find

737
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: your moment, just go for it. You know, these champions

738
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: are made in these moments, and there's a reason it

739
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: ends up on T shirts and mugs and you know,

740
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: on plaques on the entrances to Grand Slams because it's

741
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: so trite seeming, but when you see somebody do it

742
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: in action, you were reminded as to the bravery it takes,

743
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I think, to not lose your shit, to not stop

744
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: being courageous to you know, Yannick plays maybe one of

745
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: those points slightly differently or some you know, gust of

746
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Wind carries one of Alkaaz's balls out, who knows, and

747
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: you know he would be the gracious, you know, celebratory

748
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: runner up. And the fact that Yannick, to his incredible credit,

749
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: obviously went out gave an incredible performance, was stunned in

750
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: the aftermath and just said, you know, I'm not sure

751
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: what the takeaway here is. It's just this happens. Sometimes

752
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: I left everything I could out there. You just have to,

753
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, put this match in the past and keep

754
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: moving forward. All of that is true. All of those

755
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: things are true, you know, the skill, the bravery, the luck,

756
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: the you know, the toss of the coin a little bit,

757
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: and this is kind of how that felt to me,

758
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: which is not again not to take anything away from

759
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: two people just absolutely playing at their top level, but

760
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: rather just like an acknowledgment of how special that was.

761
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: And you know, there there's I think, nothing but amazing

762
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: things to expect from them both. So I couldn't be

763
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: happier with to me, honestly, both finals I thought were

764
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: very different, but the outcomes were both very, very great,

765
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: and I think they illustrated just how good the sport

766
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: can be, how interesting it can be, what the content

767
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: as to characters and tactics and styles is, you know.

768
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that everyone involved was in

769
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: their twenties is an indication for me, which especially on

770
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: the men's side, it's been a long time since we

771
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: had somebody in a in a you know, position of

772
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: winning in Carlos's case, their fifth Grand Slam when they're

773
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: in their early twenties. The last time somebody did that

774
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: was literally rough at it all. So for me, the

775
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: fact that it is just the beginning for so many

776
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: of these players is a really really, really exciting prospect.

777
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you think about that Sinner was about to

778
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: was one point away from winning his fourth, so they

779
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: would have been four each.

780
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: Yep.

781
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Right, So these two we never thought, you know, we

782
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: talk about this all the time. No one's gonna win

783
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: twenty again, There's no way. And I'm like, these two quids,

784
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: which is crazy, right, They're gonna have to beat each

785
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: other to do it. But as you were telling me,

786
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, your sort of take on the bigger picture

787
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: of that final, I couldn't help but think about the

788
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: reason these two are where they are and how good

789
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: they are as tennis waz is because the interesting part

790
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: of the footprint on that court that is indelible and

791
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: going to be there for the rest of history of

792
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: Rafael Nadal, his footprint on that court, of the ultimate

793
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: warrior on clay, on that court as a sportsman, as

794
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: a competitor, as the guy that he is, and the

795
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: fact that those two young men would have looked up

796
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: to him for twenty years, I mean ten fifteen years

797
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: of their young tennis career as the person to be like.

798
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: And then on top of it, you had Novak Djokovic

799
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: still pushing the number one player every set six four, seven, seven, six,

800
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: and being so close to going into the fort set

801
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: and sending, you know, the goodbye to the French crowd there.

802
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: It's just remarkable when you think about the footprint on

803
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: the court and the guy that one of them beat

804
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: in the semifinals at thirty seven years of age, that

805
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: the reason they are at the highest of levels our

806
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: Carezence Inner is because they had to jump and equate

807
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: themselves to Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic and the Roger Federers,

808
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: but more importantly Novak and Rafa because they've been around

809
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. It's just so poignant and

810
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: perfect that that longest final in French Open history was

811
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: that match yesterday, and then you had this incredible young woman,

812
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: Cocoa Goff, achieving what she did against a player that

813
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: has been virtually almost unstoppable this year. It was just

814
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: as you said, two incredible finals that and just a

815
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: tournament that I will not forget for a long a

816
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: long long time.

817
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't be I think happier with how both of

818
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: the slams have gone this year, having Maddi Keys victorious

819
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: after real real nail biter, especially the final and the

820
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: semifinal against Eager, having Sinner just so beautifully and confidently

821
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: step into the sort of inner circle of greatness. I

822
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: think you probably argue, who is already there?

823
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: You know.

824
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: I just I'm really happy with how tennis.

825
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: Is shaping up this here. Yeah, and one thing I

826
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: wanted to add, to see Sinner stand there the way

827
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: he did, and the way he spoke in that speech

828
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 2: after the match was so incredible. I mean, it kind

829
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: of makes me emotional thinking about it because I can

830
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: only imagine how incredibly the only thing he let on

831
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: when it's going to be tough to sleep tonight. And

832
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: let me tell you something, He's going to ruminate over

833
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: those match points. Not today, not tomorrow, not next week,

834
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: He's going to ruminate over those for the rest of

835
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: his life. Trust me, He's going to think about that

836
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: at some point in his day for the rest of

837
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: his life. And all I could think about watching that

838
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: match as well. One thing that did come out of

839
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: it is that thank God, Hey, I don't have kids,

840
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: but be that I don't have kids that play professional sports,

841
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: because to sit there and watch those parents go through

842
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: what they went through yesterday, especially Janik Sinner's mom, she

843
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: looked like she literally, I mean, she was had tears

844
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: in her eyes when he had three match points right,

845
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: and then you think an hour and a half later,

846
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: she's still out there begging and hoping and praying that

847
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: he wins. Then you've got al Choriz's parents sitting there

848
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: like you know, it's okay no matter what. You can

849
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: see where both of these kids get, like their capacity

850
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 2: to be good people because the parents and of themselves

851
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: so well, Coco's mom raying her joy when Coco won.

852
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: I mean, just you know the stress that the parents

853
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 2: and I did think about Sabalanka who lost her father

854
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Speaker 2: years ago, who got her into tennis, Like there's so

855
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: many backstories that people don't know, Like, you know, she

856
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: lost her dad. That has to weigh on her and

857
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: way emotionally on the tennis court as well. You just wonder,

858
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: you know where that comes from. Is that part of

859
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 2: her being upset on the court thinking about those things

860
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Speaker 2: Maybe that her dad would tell her in those times.

861
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but like I just think about these parents,

862
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: My God. Love to all the parents out there that

863
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: have kids play sports and professional sports and that live

864
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: in those moments, my God, Like kudos to you guys,

865
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: because wow, I mean the camera shots The one thing

866
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: about the FFP too, I hope they're directors and their

867
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: producers work a little bit better on not showing the

868
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: crowd every single point which they do. Their camera work

869
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: is not great. That's all I'm going to say. They

870
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: cut off the men's doubles hugging each other and went

871
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: to their box. That was one moment where I was like,

872
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: are you joking? So when people like yell at T

873
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: and T or Tennis channel or ESPN days, we don't

874
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: have control sometimes of the camera. The only control we

875
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: have is over American produced tennis matches, like at the

876
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: US Open. Esp AND controls that feed. But like and

877
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Speaker 2: you know the American television, where is it the French?

878
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: We don't control that. So don't yell at Tea and

879
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: Tea or you know, ESPN at Wimbledon if if you

880
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: don't get the shot you want, because it's not really

881
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: up to us. But you know, the shots of the

882
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: parents yesterday was just like I just kept thinking, how

883
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: did they do this? How did they do this? Well?

884
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: I can only speak as a parent watching your kid

885
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: do something low stakes, but it is hard not to

886
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: have your heart in your throat. And I think the

887
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: fact that uh uh, certainly for Cocoa and the two men.

888
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: Everyone comported themselves extremely well and played extremely well. And

889
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: I think what you want is your kid to you know,

890
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: be a good human being. And yeah, I just so much,

891
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: so much to say about how fantastic this Calay season

892
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Speaker 1: ended up. I hate to say it because I'm sort

893
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Speaker 1: of you know, this is my favorite time of the year.

894
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm ready for change. I'm ready for a visual change.

895
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm ready for grass. I'm ready for you know. I

896
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: love the grit, I love the I was playing on

897
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: some beautiful clay courts over the weekend in Lefada, a

898
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: suburb of Athens, which was amazing. But I'm ready for

899
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: something else. I just want a visual reset. I need

900
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: the pristine, you know, manicured line part of the season,

901
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: which is now already upon us. I turned on the

902
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: TV this morning and people are already playing in Queens,

903
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: They're already playing at the HSBC, They're already playing a

904
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: couple of different locations. So I'm ready for it. I'm excited.

905
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Speaker 1: The Boss Open is well underway. They're playing in the Netherlands.

906
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Speaker 2: You know, like, let's go me too, you know, the

907
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: beauty of clay was displayed so incredibly well in these finals.

908
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: Getting one more ball back in the court makes a

909
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: big difference on clay variety. I think that's where Yannick

910
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: if there's one thing you can take away from it

911
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: just getting a little bit more variety. Maybe he can

912
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: implement a drop shot, because I think that's what Carlos

913
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: did really well on some big occasions. Yesterday he threw

914
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: in that exceptional bourhand drop shot at times where I

915
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: was like, are you kidding me? You know, Yani doesn't

916
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Speaker 2: hit it as much. Maybe that something you can implement

917
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Speaker 2: on clay. If he wants to beat Carlos. On hard court,

918
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Speaker 2: it's a little bit harder to implement that, which is

919
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: why Sin is so good on hardcourt. But going into

920
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: the grass, look, who's going to win Wimbledon. I don't know.

921
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: I did sort of mention that I think Rebarking is

922
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Speaker 2: one to watch wombledon as well, because her game lens

923
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: itself so beautifully on grass and she composes herself so

924
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: well on the court. But look, I'm looking forward to

925
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Speaker 2: the nuances and the differences of grasses. You have to

926
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Speaker 2: be attacking, you have to be creative, and you have

927
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Speaker 2: to be more aggressive. So we'll see who comes out

928
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 2: on top at Wimbledon. But as far as I'm concerned,

929
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Speaker 2: I'm still getting over of the clay, which is opposite

930
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Speaker 2: because normally I'm not for the clay, for the grass,

931
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Speaker 2: and You're like, still, well, we're still playing on clay.

932
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Speaker 2: But Caitlin, we're usually lost for work. I'm usually not

933
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: lost for words, but I have to say this last

934
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours was lost. Forty eight hours has been

935
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: really amazing. And yeah, I can't wait for the grass

936
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Speaker 2: to start, but I'm going to I'm going to save

937
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: for those two matches, particularly that men's final, for a

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Speaker 2: couple more days.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's check in in a week's time. Who

940
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: knows where our travels will take us, but we'll have

941
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Speaker 1: lots to discuss. Queens has women for the first time

942
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Speaker 1: in a long time. Uh, and yeah, we'll leave everyone

943
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Speaker 1: on a high note. Chef's kiss for the two finals.

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Speaker 2: Chef's kiss, and my voice will not sound like this

945
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Speaker 2: next week, hopefully unless I do a little too much

946
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Speaker 2: parting here in Spain. But anyway, guys, thanks for joining

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Speaker 2: us today. What a memorable, memorable a couple of days

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Speaker 2: and I hope you enjoyed this episode. Thanks guys, to

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Speaker 2: see you next week. Show adios,