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Speaker 4: Hello everyone, and welcome to the soxs Machine podcast, now
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Speaker 4: alongside sox Machines be reporter James S. Vegan and managing
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Speaker 4: recommend checking out that video. But speaking of James, James,
Speaker 4: you're back from Philadelphia. I'm so sorry about the air quality.
Speaker 4: As we're recording this, it is one of the worst
Speaker 4: air qualities documented history in the city of Chicago. But
Speaker 4: how was the All Star Game experience for you in Philadelphia?
Speaker 6: Never again will I pack for a trip in the
Speaker 6: middle of July and have two light colored dress shirts
Speaker 6: that I wear out of the three days I have
Speaker 6: to be at the ballpark.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 6: The shirt I wore to the All Star Game had
Speaker 6: like different patterns of sweat from like various things I
Speaker 6: did throughout the day or how I was holding my bag.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that was my main takeaway from All Star weekend.
Speaker 6: But as far as like the players, up until the
Speaker 6: eighth inning on Tuesday, like I was preparing to write
Speaker 6: a story basically about like Miguel Vargus getting robbed of
Speaker 6: a hit by his my league buddy Andy pa Has
Speaker 6: and then things kind of flipped in a major way
Speaker 6: with him. It's funny, like it's a game dominated by pitching.
Speaker 1: Everyone liked.
Speaker 6: It's like elite arms that are on rest, and so
Speaker 6: like no one e been you know, we saw the
Speaker 6: socks skipt Kate Smith's when he's maybe a bit extended,
Speaker 6: but like see him at the height of his powers.
Speaker 1: He got like how does anyone hit this dude?
Speaker 6: And I feel like that was kind of like every
Speaker 6: arm in the game to some degree, the Gail Vargas
Speaker 6: ball people like people felt like bad luck with like
Speaker 6: you know, Murakami being you know, kind of rusty as
Speaker 6: he comes back. He's not at the full height of
Speaker 6: his powers, and he's trying to compet to home run Derby,
Speaker 6: Like he didn't look super and sync like that series
Speaker 6: of Oakland or Not Oakly And and I think the
Speaker 6: one at bat that Tristan Peters got it was against
Speaker 6: a really tough lefty as well.
Speaker 1: Marcus got two over no overpowered and.
Speaker 6: Lefties to like the guy who's basically, uh, you put
Speaker 6: this minimum like one hundred and twenty five played appearances
Speaker 6: the best hitter in the American League against left handed pitching.
Speaker 6: So he just smoked two balls from like these guys
Speaker 6: that like can't get a breaking ball in on him. Uh,
Speaker 6: the first one he gotta gets robbed of, but like
Speaker 6: the next one is the only extra base hit of
Speaker 6: the All Star Game, And all of a sudden, like
Speaker 6: this is the guy who's talent is speaking the loudest
Speaker 6: of seemingly a loud of the entire weekend when you know,
Speaker 6: Caleb Bonhamer looked fine, looked pretty fast running out of
Speaker 6: the base, but he.
Speaker 1: Went over to with a pop out on the groundout.
Speaker 6: He just looked like another guy who was like belonging
Speaker 6: on the stage but didn't stand out. Mur Commy gets
Speaker 6: eliminated in the first round. You know, Peter's is the
Speaker 6: last second ad, and you know, obviously a lot of
Speaker 6: his hubbub around him is like, you know, he doesn't
Speaker 6: even get to enjoy the All Star weekend because his
Speaker 6: wife is in the hospital. Nothing, he did enjoy it,
Speaker 6: but like obviously a little bit more of a complicated weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Argus all of a sudden at the last moment, gets
Speaker 6: this incredible late moment in the sun and winds up
Speaker 6: being like kind of the big story of the weekend
Speaker 6: compared to like how little offensive fireworks or where everywhere else,
Speaker 6: And it's just kind of incredible. It's kind of like
Speaker 6: his season the nutshell. We're like out of nowhere when
Speaker 6: you least expected here's Miguel Vargus like starring the show.
Speaker 6: So and we've talked about him at length this season,
Speaker 6: but we didn't know where he's gonna go, especially since
Speaker 6: like watch in the tunnel, like I came down in
Speaker 6: the sixth inning because Pahes was getting pulled from the
Speaker 6: game and he was about to do availabilding. It was like,
Speaker 6: at this point, I don't have any of better angles.
Speaker 6: I might as well just go down there and talk
Speaker 6: to Piaz and God could suffer him. He was he
Speaker 6: was willing to play along. He's like I made a gesture,
Speaker 6: Begul made some gesture like I shouldn't have hit that,
Speaker 6: and I made a gesture like you should have hit
Speaker 6: it harder, and like, all right, this would be a
Speaker 6: fun little anecdote to tell a police.
Speaker 1: And then that happened.
Speaker 6: I figure, once that happens, I'm not going to go
Speaker 6: back upstairs the auxiliar press box, which is like a
Speaker 6: part of the upper deck, and I'm just kind of
Speaker 6: like waiting, like watching the rest of the game, and
Speaker 6: that like happens, and we're not sure because we're watching
Speaker 6: it on silent in the tunnel, like is he going
Speaker 6: to get.
Speaker 1: Named al MVP?
Speaker 6: And it's me and like there's an m wilbi dot
Speaker 6: com writer who got a sign to like Fergus once
Speaker 6: he hit the home run, and you know, Tribune's there
Speaker 6: and we're watching the TV on mute and we're trying
Speaker 6: to figure out if he's just been named like the
Speaker 6: All Star Game MVP based on the camera because like
Speaker 6: they show Cody Bellinger as like the team is walking
Speaker 6: on the field, but then they cut the Vargus and
Speaker 6: then we see Tom Verducci coming to Vargus. We're like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, he's done it, because like where he's
Speaker 6: gonna be if he's is he gonna come to the
Speaker 6: clubhouse or is he going to go to this like
Speaker 6: press conference room that's going to be swung by that,
Speaker 6: so we don't know. And then eventually, like we see
Speaker 6: him on the field, he runs in at one point
Speaker 6: into the clubhouse and then he runs back out and
Speaker 6: he says like I gotta go do TV and I'm
Speaker 6: looking at like Connor McKnight with PHSM was like we
Speaker 6: should just follow him. So we run out onto the
Speaker 6: field and he gets like taken, and we were watching
Speaker 6: him like get interviewed by a Fox and like dap
Speaker 6: up like David Ortiz and I'm at this moment, I'm like,
Speaker 6: what is Miguel Vargus's life right now? This is such
Speaker 6: an insane journey less than two years ago. I remember,
Speaker 6: like there's like this routine loss I had to the Mets,
Speaker 6: but like Vargas pulled a fastball for a double. I
Speaker 6: was just like he turned around Velosty like I need
Speaker 6: to talk to him. Like that was like a big
Speaker 6: development for him at the time. And I remember like
Speaker 6: waiting for him at that point and like how much
Speaker 6: skinnier he was back then compared to is he now.
Speaker 6: Like it's like this is such an insane trajectory for
Speaker 6: this guy, Like like he's doing live TV in his
Speaker 6: second lifeguage for a national audience. And he used to
Speaker 6: be this guy who were like, you know, he used
Speaker 6: to be a big prospect. I think we're supposed to
Speaker 6: cover him even though he's batty one oh seven. Now
Speaker 6: I think he's a big deal to now, like everybody
Speaker 6: knows he's a big deal. Like it's just it was
Speaker 6: like a I don't know if like we got like
Speaker 6: super amazing quotes because as he said repeatedly, I have
Speaker 6: no words.
Speaker 1: He couldn't sum up what it was.
Speaker 6: But just to kind of be there to see this
Speaker 6: guy like go through this such such a one eighty
Speaker 6: was just kind of like something I'll remember even if
Speaker 6: like I don't know if like he might be summing
Speaker 6: up better what it meant to him a year from
Speaker 6: now than he was, you know, in a moment after
Speaker 6: the game where he's just buzzing on adrenaline, so.
Speaker 1: That the answer began with my shirts. But now I
Speaker 1: think I brought it home eventually.
Speaker 4: I just want to say, when I was in Philadelphia
Speaker 4: the weekend before you, James, he was even hotter. Not
Speaker 4: that we're comparing. Philadelphia has been miserable.
Speaker 6: Pro I wore to the home run derby, I finding
Speaker 6: that everyone's like, look at that normal man. Tuesday was like, hey,
Speaker 6: how's it going. We've been here all day, Look you
Speaker 6: look tired.
Speaker 4: But like that, that's gonna ask you, Jim about the
Speaker 4: cool moment with Migul Vargus. This season has had so
Speaker 4: many cool moments, and I'm hoping that there are still
Speaker 4: more cool moments for the Chicago White Sox, but at
Speaker 4: least through mid July. Where does Miguel Vargus's home run
Speaker 4: of the All Star Game stack up?
Speaker 5: It's up there, I think, just as a symbolic moments
Speaker 5: for where the White Sox are in terms of the league.
Speaker 5: Like I think there have been a lot of moments
Speaker 5: that are more important to the White Sox season, like
Speaker 5: Bradon Montgomery's debut walk off stands out, especially since now
Speaker 5: we've learned what, yeah, that Rock Schwlowski was there and
Speaker 5: that was the game that he dropped in on and
Speaker 5: he's celebrating the clubhouse and that kind of informs his
Speaker 5: worldview as to what the White Sox are really about
Speaker 5: versus what the reputation was as he was learning about him.
Speaker 5: But in terms of where the White Sox are nationally,
Speaker 5: I think the reputations take long to repair. Like we
Speaker 5: saw the athletic poll where they're still down among the teams.
Speaker 5: Nobody wants to play for people hear terrible things about,
Speaker 5: and that takes probably a couple of years of on
Speaker 5: field performance or surprising investments to repair. But this is
Speaker 5: the kind of thing that helps, and that's one of
Speaker 5: the reasons why we decided to put our subscriber dollars
Speaker 5: towards going to the All Star Game is just because
Speaker 5: it felt like, if not a watershed moment, at least
Speaker 5: one of those milestones to wear okates an All Star
Speaker 5: who's a deserving All star, not like Shane Smith last year.
Speaker 5: He had a good year, but you know, it was
Speaker 5: an awkward pick for trying to figure out who was
Speaker 5: an All Star for that team. Like mcguil, argus is there.
Speaker 5: Miguel Vargus deserves that company on this roster. Whether or
Speaker 5: not the White Sox you maintain fair performance in the
Speaker 5: second half remains to be seen. But they've arrived to
Speaker 5: a certain level on the national stage. He Murakami and
Speaker 5: the home run Derby have Vargas. You know, he could
Speaker 5: have been a starter, at least he could have been.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think cam Narrow is a worthy starter. But in
Speaker 5: terms of like the way he's playing like he's uh,
Speaker 5: he's up there, and if he keeps doing what he's doing, like,
Speaker 5: I'd be curious to see where he is, like in
Speaker 5: terms of MVP votes. But I'm happy that you know,
Speaker 5: he provided such easy copy with the Homer. But I
Speaker 5: think even if he didn't, even if he went like
Speaker 5: a loud over two just being there. You like, there's
Speaker 5: one quote that he gave to James saying like you
Speaker 5: were there like when in in twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 5: I think it's important for them, you know, to see
Speaker 5: you know, James, or see us at these moments of
Speaker 5: like lows and then highs. You know, it's nice that
Speaker 5: they're having these highs to where like you travel and
Speaker 5: see them and they see you, you know, whether it's
Speaker 5: the occasional road trip, whether it's you know, the duel
Speaker 5: events as they call him. So yeah, I'm I'm happy
Speaker 5: that Vargas made such wonderful copy just you know, with
Speaker 5: his like whirlwind tour of Philadelphia. But even if he didn't,
Speaker 5: just like it's it's it felt important, and that's why
Speaker 5: we decided, Like even when we thought, like Davis Martin
Speaker 5: was gonna be an easy rep and he wasn't, Like
Speaker 5: that's when we decided to put the money for this.
Speaker 5: But like there was a there was a reason why
Speaker 5: we did it, and I think Vargas did a nice
Speaker 5: job of like making it very easy to see why
Speaker 5: we were there. Is because the White Sox are nationally
Speaker 5: relevant now.
Speaker 4: And you know, this week has been a great week
Speaker 4: for those that argue that beat reporting is not that important.
Speaker 4: Like James, I love the stories that you produced in
Speaker 4: Philadelphia and the relationship that you have with Miguel Vargas.
Speaker 4: I think at Sox machine tudor own horn. But as
Speaker 4: far as that angle, the journey that Miguel Vargus and
Speaker 4: the transition that he's made from somebody sulking after the
Speaker 4: White Sox lose to the Oakland A's after he got
Speaker 4: traded by the Dodgers to the White Sox to becoming
Speaker 4: an All Star is a fascinating story. Cap tip to
Speaker 4: Jesse Rodgers of ESPN dot com to be in the
Speaker 4: draft war room for the Chicago White Sox and shine
Speaker 4: a light on their it's higher draft process, so now
Speaker 4: everybody is more aware of what went into that historic
Speaker 4: decision for the Chicago White Sox and the internal debate
Speaker 4: between Rock Schlowski and Grady Emerson. This has been a
Speaker 4: great week for everyone that reports on the White Sox,
Speaker 4: so round of applause to everyone that covers his team.
Speaker 4: As I mentioned in WGN last night, there's so much
Speaker 4: good news for the Chicago White Sox that it's hard
Speaker 4: to keep up and cover everything. And we haven't even
Speaker 4: talked about Tristan Peters all that much in his All
Speaker 4: Star game and just making it for him even though
Speaker 4: he had to be at the hospital to take care
Speaker 4: of his wife. But he did get to play. So
Speaker 4: everybody got to play for the Chicago White Sox, which
Speaker 4: is a pretty awesome feed for the All Star Game.
Speaker 4: So if that's the only All Star game in Tristan
Speaker 4: Peters his career, he made it and he played, and
Speaker 4: that's a pretty awesome highlight for him and hopefully he
Speaker 4: gets more opportunities. But it's the opposite jim of Tim
Speaker 4: Anderson making it and not getting it at bad, Like
Speaker 4: I'm still sour about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems like they've figured it out over the
Speaker 5: last few years in terms of getting everybody into the game.
Speaker 5: They're a lot more awkward mid inning changes, I think,
Speaker 5: but you know, it's fine and certainly Fox like they
Speaker 5: seem to love the ads and like the full ad
Speaker 5: breaks for pitching changes everything like that. You know, if
Speaker 5: you want flow in a broadcast, you're not going to
Speaker 5: get it. Yeah, but they are doing a good job
Speaker 5: of making use of the players who are available and
Speaker 5: working around the players who are unavailable, and after all
Speaker 5: those years were counted towards World Series home field advantage,
Speaker 5: and I kind of like that, Like I didn't. I
Speaker 5: thought it was interesting experiment, but it really is an
Speaker 5: exhibition and is it does mean a lot for these
Speaker 5: players to be there and get into games, and so
Speaker 5: it's nice that players can without worrying about like the
Speaker 5: integrity of the game or with you know, worrying about
Speaker 5: like the matchups. And if you have Peters against the
Speaker 5: left East, so be it, because at least he's in
Speaker 5: the game with his Banana's bats, yeah, showing showing where
Speaker 5: he came from and being proud of it. And that's
Speaker 5: that's worth seeing.
Speaker 4: And through.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it might just be me, but I appreciate seeing
Speaker 6: Dylan cease at the All Star Game just because it's
Speaker 6: his first one, and you know, I think everyone kind
Speaker 6: of viewed him as deserving back in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: and it was satisfying just because he's clearly, veryly still
Speaker 6: didn't cease because the interaction we had, I thought he
Speaker 6: had made eye contact with me when he was at
Speaker 6: his like press conference, which he did in an Aladdin
Speaker 6: T shirt while everyone else is in full uniform. I
Speaker 6: guess John Schneider was merely in a shirt and pants
Speaker 6: and not in a Laddin T shirt. But apparently he
Speaker 6: did because I came up to him during battle practice
Speaker 6: and he said, like, man, I saw you in the
Speaker 6: in the press conference and the way the light was
Speaker 6: hitting your head, it looked like you had frosted tips
Speaker 6: in your hair, and I just thought to myself, Man,
Speaker 6: good for that dude taking a chance. But now you're
Speaker 6: up close, I see that you just still have normal hair,
Speaker 6: and that interaction couldn't happen with anyone else in Dylan Cease.
Speaker 6: And it's just like the guy I know is still
Speaker 6: in there, even know one hundreds of million dollars later
Speaker 6: and now they succeed in Toronto. So for me, it
Speaker 6: was nice to have that interaction full circle. Then to
Speaker 6: see him again in the tunnel as he's walking out
Speaker 6: and be like, you really think I should get frost
Speaker 6: tips and him be like they look great even though
Speaker 6: like what he's her from.
Speaker 1: I love looking at like not real like I.
Speaker 6: Don't know if a real quality of assessment if it
Speaker 6: didn't happen, But it's great to see Dylan. Uh. Love
Speaker 6: my time with Sai, love seeing other people get exposed.
Speaker 6: The way he answers questions. It's like it makes me
Speaker 6: like giggle in the middle of the press conferences like.
Speaker 1: This, this is who I know and appreciate it.
Speaker 6: And you guys are experiencing them for the first time,
Speaker 6: like they asked them about like the avs, and he's like, well,
Speaker 6: I like it when it goes my way. I don't
Speaker 6: like it when it doesn't. And the end his answer
Speaker 6: and you're like everyone waiting a beat for him to
Speaker 6: expound more and like he's clearly done, Like yeah, that's Dylan,
Speaker 6: you got it.
Speaker 1: That's that's why I love them.
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Speaker 6: I feel like he was calling me a coward. Like
Speaker 6: here he is taking risks, wearing like a old shirt,
Speaker 6: says rub my lamp with the Genie from Aladdin on it,
Speaker 6: and I can't even have the carriage to frost my tips.
Speaker 6: Dylan's put down the gauntlet. I will see if we
Speaker 6: have we need.
Speaker 5: To frost and tips here, we sure do.
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Speaker 4: Now, we didn't get a chance to talk about Winna
Speaker 4: takomer a Kami a whole lot about his All Star
Speaker 4: Game festivities. He played and then he had the wonderful
Speaker 4: pleasure of facing Mason Miller and nobody this season is
Speaker 4: having a lot of fun against Mason Miller as a
Speaker 4: Miller struck out Marakami on four pitches, but lots of
Speaker 4: press no Shoho Tani at the All Star Game festivities,
Speaker 4: which meant all of this huge contingent of Japanese media
Speaker 4: and national media curious about Winni Takamura Kami. He got
Speaker 4: a lot of attention. And one of those things that
Speaker 4: James Figan tweeted about reporting from Philadelphia that All Star
Speaker 4: first base with Muna Takomurakami said he's not thinking or
Speaker 4: talking specifics about contract extensions right now, but affirmed that
Speaker 4: he would like to stay with the White Sox long term.
Speaker 4: And then last night on WGN Sports, Josh Friedman asked
Speaker 4: me about this tweet and about the possibility of signing
Speaker 4: me to Tako were a comedy to a contract extension,
Speaker 4: And here were my thoughts on WGN Sports last night.
Speaker 7: The fact that they can try to capitalize on this
Speaker 7: momentum they have and keep more comedy long term.
Speaker 4: The secret to sales is to strike when the iron
Speaker 4: is hot, and when you have someone that publicly says
Speaker 4: I would love to stay here and they come from Japan,
Speaker 4: and that opens up new streams of revenue that you've
Speaker 4: never had. The Chicago White Sox. Justinishbia should be calling
Speaker 4: Jerry Reinstart right now and telling him whatever you need,
Speaker 4: you got it. So then it really becomes a baseball
Speaker 4: decision for the Chicago White Sox and what their future
Speaker 4: plans are at first base. But I mean this White
Speaker 4: Sox future infield. I know everyone's really excited about Rock Schalowski.
Speaker 4: I continue to be asked, well, what are they gonna
Speaker 4: do with all these shortstops? Make the entire infield shortstops?
Speaker 4: That's what every MLB team would have in the near future.
Speaker 4: In the near future, the White Sox could field for
Speaker 4: infielders who have the potential hit twenty five or more
Speaker 4: home runs. That is incredibly rare in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 4: So for me, Josh, it's an absolute note brainer both
Speaker 4: on and off the field. The White Sox should figure
Speaker 4: out on how to keep Marikami all right. So that's
Speaker 4: my take. No need to hear more from me, But
Speaker 4: we did get a lot of questions Jim on PO
Speaker 4: Socks regarding contract extensions. And if you want an opportunity
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Speaker 4: and one of those questions came from Trooper Galactus. Jim,
Speaker 4: and Trooper wrote to us, if the White Sox are
Speaker 4: able to hammer out an extension with Marrakami, it's almost
Speaker 4: certainly going into nine figures. But how far could he
Speaker 4: double Andrew Bennettende's current record contract? How will his marketability,
Speaker 4: young age and huge strengths be measured against his limitations,
Speaker 4: weaknesses and injury history when trying to come up with
Speaker 4: a term and an AAV as far as his annual
Speaker 4: contract value. And this is a really good question, Jim,
Speaker 4: And it's one thing for me to say pound the table. Yes,
Speaker 4: the White Sox should do it, But how would you
Speaker 4: go about answering Trooper's question of what a possible contract
Speaker 4: extension would look like with mudetaka Markami.
Speaker 5: We've been using Kyle Schwarber as a comp throughout this process,
Speaker 5: like even when he was posted as a free agent,
Speaker 5: and everybody is trying to figure out just what the
Speaker 5: numbers were an NPB, how they translate the strikeouts, the power,
Speaker 5: the positional limitations. If there are limitations, you know, what
Speaker 5: can you play a position? Or is adh And it
Speaker 5: kept coming back to Schwarbur, and I think the production
Speaker 5: is pretty close, especially for guys first to go around
Speaker 5: in major League Baseball. That he's the home run rate,
Speaker 5: the strikeout rate, everything is pretty comparable, and the actually
Speaker 5: he's able to get so much out of the contact
Speaker 5: he makes is pretty remarkable. So with Schwarber, like he
Speaker 5: just signed a five year, one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 5: dollar contract, he's older, so certainly, you know, five years
Speaker 5: is running up to I think his age thirty eight
Speaker 5: season or something like that. So that's probably something to
Speaker 5: where maybe Murakami goes longer. But also Schwarber's got a
Speaker 5: longer track record of performing in the majors right now,
Speaker 5: Murakami's through half a season. It's been altered by injury
Speaker 5: so far, so we'll see how he comes back from
Speaker 5: the injured list. So I think this is why it's
Speaker 5: kind of a delicate time to try to talk about
Speaker 5: extensions and contract value, et cetera. Like get to see
Speaker 5: if this maybe not derails his season but interrupts it
Speaker 5: to where like he does need a while to come
Speaker 5: back and get back to where he was, since he
Speaker 5: walks such a fine line between his power and in
Speaker 5: his swings and misses to understand like where his equil
Speaker 5: abrium is. But that's kind of the first place I
Speaker 5: look is what has Schwarber gotten paid? And then you know,
Speaker 5: just h for level and then try to kind of
Speaker 5: do some secret sauce type for nagling in terms of
Speaker 5: you know, how much Schwarber's proven track record stateside measures
Speaker 5: up against the uncertainty. But certainly like thirty million a
Speaker 5: year for X amount of years seems like a good
Speaker 5: place to start.
Speaker 4: And James, you were asked about this question on foul Territory,
Speaker 4: but it was in regards to Miguel Vargus, and you
Speaker 4: mentioned Vargas could be a target for extension, maybe even
Speaker 4: Kyle Teal. How realistic is it too for the White
Speaker 4: Sox and even Murakami to have serious conversations about a
Speaker 4: contract extension.
Speaker 1: Serious like they've had.
Speaker 6: You know, they've broached the topic, surely, but as far
Speaker 6: as serious in terms of like get it done levels
Speaker 6: of conversation. I think if you Marrakami's camp signed this
Speaker 6: deal to re enter free agency while he's still in
Speaker 6: his twenties, I think that he's expressed that desire to
Speaker 6: want to stay. I think that's all well and good.
Speaker 6: That's positive. That certainly like builds the idea that he
Speaker 6: will stay or will you know, be interested in staying.
Speaker 6: I don't unless he's he has to want it so
Speaker 6: much that he's going to put his thumb on the scale,
Speaker 6: because I think the approach to strategy, the logical move
Speaker 6: from his side is to re enter free agency and
Speaker 6: test your value on the open market and not constrict
Speaker 6: it to getting what you feel like is a fair
Speaker 6: deal from the White Sox. You're always going to do more,
Speaker 6: especially when you're this close to just re enter the market.
Speaker 6: So like he can have that desire to want to
Speaker 6: come back and give them last or first refusal or
Speaker 6: however you want to put it, or chance to match whatever.
Speaker 6: But in terms of like what he would do to
Speaker 6: maximize his outcome, which was kind of like why you
Speaker 6: signed this sort of pillow contract, it would be to
Speaker 6: resign with the White Sox after twenty twenty seven, not
Speaker 6: agree to some deal before that point. So unless he's
Speaker 6: like so much like I don't want to I want
Speaker 6: to aboord our strategy level of like wanting to stay here,
Speaker 6: then I think that's the path as follows.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 6: I get extending him, he's extremely good, he's been very productive,
Speaker 6: and to lift beyond that, Like clearly it's a culture
Speaker 6: changing signing where everyone talks about being energized, that he's
Speaker 6: universally beloved. It's someone that they feel like his presence
Speaker 6: has lifted them, both with the presence of the lineup
Speaker 6: and the presidence in the clubhouse and just feeling like
Speaker 6: there were serious players and that the front office is
Speaker 6: taking the season seriously from the outset, like he's been
Speaker 6: a galvanizing force in all these ways. From a purer
Speaker 6: like emotionless quant perspective, it's the lowest contact rate in
Speaker 6: baseball in three years. There's another The exception to that
Speaker 6: is like Joey Gallo on his way out, and then
Speaker 6: it's another gap of multiple years before we have someone
Speaker 6: who's a regular, let alone a productive regular with a
Speaker 6: sub sixty contact rate. If they don't get this done,
Speaker 6: if they wind up having some other solution for first base,
Speaker 6: they're not crazy. There are baseball reasons for being like, eh,
Speaker 6: do we want to see this guy in his thirties?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way, the way, maybe the way bottom of
Speaker 1: the scale.
Speaker 6: Contact maximum power looks at twenty six under a below
Speaker 6: market deal is always.
Speaker 2: Going to be.
Speaker 6: Easier to fall in love with than paying Pete Alonzo
Speaker 6: rates for somebody who gets it done in a way
Speaker 6: that's like walking a tightrope all the way down, and
Speaker 6: if things shift a bit farther at like some other
Speaker 6: delineation of their career where they you know, maybe when
Speaker 6: they hit thirty, you could easily be in a position
Speaker 6: of why did we rush to pay you know, premium
Speaker 6: value for these years because we were so excited about
Speaker 6: what it looked like when he was twenty six and
Speaker 6: twenty seven. Just saying that said, I won't be the
Speaker 6: person that if they signed Mark Comy to extension, being
Speaker 6: like blah blah the contact rate. I'm not that sort
Speaker 6: of soulis joyless person anymore. I'm just saying, like, if
Speaker 6: it doesn't happen, it's not like they're serious. They like
Speaker 6: winning baseball games as they sign them. If they don't,
Speaker 6: they've hated all these games they've won. They wish they
Speaker 6: couldn't do them. They don't want to win again.
Speaker 4: Just saying, well, Jim, we've talked about it.
Speaker 5: I like that an qualifier anymore.
Speaker 4: Jim, We've talked about it for a few years. In
Speaker 4: the show at some point the White Sox neither Jason
Speaker 4: Worth signing and it's Andrew ban Attende doesn't count in
Speaker 4: my opinion. So I get what James is saying. From
Speaker 4: a baseball standpoint. If you don't like the contact rates
Speaker 4: and you do not think Murakami is going to age, well,
Speaker 4: well then you have an internal solution. You can move
Speaker 4: ourgust from third to first when Rock Schalowski is ready
Speaker 4: to go and take over shortstop and move Colson Montgomery
Speaker 4: from short to third. You have that now plan in place.
Speaker 4: So I understand from a baseball perspective.
Speaker 1: Caleb Bonhamer pretty big dude, just saying, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Jim Scarlson his defensive issues at Birmingham though. James, So,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a big, I'm.
Speaker 1: A bit future first baseman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh okay, okay, pretty nifty there, interesting, all right,
Speaker 4: I didn't think.
Speaker 5: About that first baseman is within his reach.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right.
Speaker 6: So Jacob Gonzalez walk so he could run and at
Speaker 6: plus run times based on how you.
Speaker 5: Look at the futures game, a thick crun fast.
Speaker 6: Oh, just saying alternatives you have, you have a million
Speaker 6: infielders shortstops gonna be at first base.
Speaker 4: You can build the entire infield out of shortstops and
Speaker 4: your future for the White Sox.
Speaker 6: But id telling your kids, like, do you believe Bottomers
Speaker 6: was a shortstop when he was coming up through the
Speaker 6: miners our.
Speaker 1: Forty home run first baseman? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That thought, Jim, Tony I think was drafted as a
Speaker 4: shortstop too back in the day. So is Ryan Brown
Speaker 4: for the Brewers maybe one of the worst shorts ups
Speaker 4: I've ever seen. I'll think that this is a worthwhile
Speaker 4: pursuit for the White Sox. Now, Jim, the question that again,
Speaker 4: we have more questions as well from our Socks Machine
Speaker 4: subscribers Grenell Steve as always thank you, Steve. Who would
Speaker 4: you prioritize in approaching for extensions for the White Sox?
Speaker 4: And I think this is a good question, Jim, coming
Speaker 4: from Steve. But the other side of the coin for
Speaker 4: me that I've been thinking about since st segment with WGN.
Speaker 4: Could there be a fear I guess from Jerry Reinstorf's
Speaker 4: point of view, maybe the White Sox front office to
Speaker 4: not repeat the same mistakes as the previous front office
Speaker 4: regime who signed all that core of players to contract
Speaker 4: extensions and then ended up not counting against the books
Speaker 4: because they didn't stay with the team.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons why I've been even before this
Speaker 5: recent turnaround where the White Sox are tied for first place,
Speaker 5: one of the reasons why I was optimistic about Chris
Speaker 5: Getz released his approach was that he didn't you really
Speaker 5: consider extensions a a huge priority. Part of it is
Speaker 5: because the White Sox and a player is worth extending
Speaker 5: to a meaningful degree. But also we saw just the
Speaker 5: way the previous front office almost became complacent with the
Speaker 5: idea of once they extended Tim Anderson, Ewan Mancata, Elo, Jimenez, Lease, Robert.
Speaker 5: We saw this happen with Kenny Williams talking about the
Speaker 5: Manny Machado coming in second for his services and saying, well,
Speaker 5: if we sign Machado, then the corey likes so much
Speaker 5: might not be around, you know, almost speaking about it
Speaker 5: in extortive terms. And it made me think, like, oh,
Speaker 5: they think like they've done the work, or they've they've
Speaker 5: painted themselves into a corner mentally in terms of we
Speaker 5: locked in our guys. This is going to be the
Speaker 5: core for the next three four or five years and
Speaker 5: this has to work. And you know, once the pieces
Speaker 5: started falling by the wayside, nobody had trade value, there
Speaker 5: was really no way for them to pivot out of it.
Speaker 5: So I think that's one area where you know, we've
Speaker 5: seen gets be a lot more transactional when it comes
Speaker 5: to trying to figure out, you know, who might fit,
Speaker 5: going through a ton of options using you know, dozens
Speaker 5: and dozens players each year. As he goes into this
Speaker 5: building a team that is contending you, we'll see if
Speaker 5: he slows that down. But the fact that he hasn't
Speaker 5: really made a huge priority or talked up the idea
Speaker 5: of having to extend guys I think is ultimately healthy.
Speaker 5: And I think when it comes to Murakami and you know,
Speaker 5: the kind of extension where you're talking about signing guy
Speaker 5: past thirty, signing guy with wartz, I think that will
Speaker 5: be more of a justin Ishfia thing. You know, it
Speaker 5: takes like an illage type approach, Like I'm thinking, like
Speaker 5: when they signed Prince Fielder after Victor Martinez went down,
Speaker 5: and it was really like an over solution to a problem.
Speaker 5: They did not need to sign Prince Fielder to fill
Speaker 5: in for like a late Victor Martinez injury, but they
Speaker 5: signed him for like a huge deal, and there was
Speaker 5: a question of like, well, what do you do when
Speaker 5: he gets older? And you know, Dave Dombrowski doesn't care,
Speaker 5: Mike Gilich didn't care, and they were able to pivot
Speaker 5: out of it with the you know, Ian Kinsler trade.
Speaker 5: And I think it takes a certain amount of like,
Speaker 5: oh well, we'll let that problem you fall to tomorrow
Speaker 5: guy or twenty thirty guy. And we saw that with
Speaker 5: Rick Han, especially in you know, Kitty Williams S Lesser degree,
Speaker 5: because I Han did more than talking just talking about
Speaker 5: like how they couldn't afford to hamstring themselves like six
Speaker 5: years down the road, Like why are you planning for
Speaker 5: six years down the road when you shouldn't be able
Speaker 5: to count and having a job for that long just
Speaker 5: being the nature of a GM. And so like with
Speaker 5: when it comes to like signing that contract, that that
Speaker 5: Jason Worth contract, that that first one hundred million plus deal,
Speaker 5: I think it's going to take an owner or a
Speaker 5: GM that certainly has the ability to either write another
Speaker 5: check or eat the cost, or have a GM who's
Speaker 5: so transactional and'll be like I'll figure it out. I'll
Speaker 5: trade my way out of it, or at least I'll
Speaker 5: try to trade my way into something that looks different
Speaker 5: and maybe that the the alchemy is different and ultimately
Speaker 5: it's more productive than what we had. But there was
Speaker 5: just a certain amount of Once all those extensions were
Speaker 5: locked in place, the White Sox just stopped stop fighting,
Speaker 5: or they stopped like we saw like their constant addition
Speaker 5: of closers and relievers just they thought they had a
Speaker 5: lineup and they just kept adding on the margins rather
Speaker 5: than transforming the lineup. And so when you don't have
Speaker 5: extensions and you have, you know, no cost control, but
Speaker 5: you also have no years accounting for, still a lot
Speaker 5: of things you can do.
Speaker 4: And I bring this up because Chase Burns the Cincinnati
Speaker 4: Red just signed a contract extension. We have seen so
Speaker 4: many contract extensions, especially for younger players around Major League
Speaker 4: base we haven't seen it yet from the White Sox.
Speaker 4: We'll see, I think again, I think for me, it's
Speaker 4: a no brainer. White Sox, I'm okay if they want
Speaker 4: to sign Marikami to a Kyle Schwarber type extension, if
Speaker 4: their sales team cannot find partners in Japan to pay
Speaker 4: for that contract with new sponsorship deals and new television
Speaker 4: deals to broadcast White Sox games in Japan so they
Speaker 4: could see Marikami in action. They need a new sales team.
Speaker 4: I'll just put it like that, like how much money
Speaker 4: the Dodgers have made off show off show, Hey Otani.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Mark Kami is going to bring an
Speaker 4: Otani money, but he should be able to bring it
Speaker 4: enough to help pay for a new contract everybody else
Speaker 4: for the White Sox, though, it is an interesting conversation.
Speaker 4: Let us know in the comments section either in the podcast.
Speaker 6: So what I'm worried about with the You know, if
Speaker 6: they don't sign Marikami, sales people are getting fired over
Speaker 6: this man's contact rate.
Speaker 1: Give him on the willies.
Speaker 4: Anyways, let us know in the comments section on soxsmachine
Speaker 4: dot com or on our YouTube channel at YouTube dot
Speaker 4: com slash Sox Machine. Before we wrap up, the Chicago
Speaker 4: White Sox are back in action this weekend as they
Speaker 4: head north of the border to visit Toronto and face
Speaker 4: the Toronto Blue Jays. The Blue Jays are currently in
Speaker 4: last place right now in the American League EAEST because
Speaker 4: of the Boston Red Sox winning nine straight games. The
Speaker 4: Blue Jays are six games low five hundred starting the
Speaker 4: post All Star break of the schedule, as they are
Speaker 4: forty five and fifty one. They lost their last two
Speaker 4: games and them in kind of sputtering their last time.
Speaker 4: They are five and five and at home this year,
Speaker 4: kind of a surprise. They are twenty four and twenty
Speaker 4: five this year in Toronto. And then you're pitching problems
Speaker 4: for this series. On Friday, it'll be Righty Spencer Miles
Speaker 4: for the Blue Jays and Anthony k will be the
Speaker 4: first to take the ball for the Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 4: And then on Saturday you have old nemesis Shane Bieber
Speaker 4: against Davis Martin, which Martin wanted lots of rest, and
Speaker 4: we'll see how he fares after an extended break. And
Speaker 4: then on Sunday, the White Sox will not have to
Speaker 4: face Dylan Cease this weekend, but they do have to
Speaker 4: go up against trey Ya Savage And for the White Sox,
Speaker 4: let's see if you continue his heater. Sean Burke will
Speaker 4: take the ball for the White Sox on Sunday. And
Speaker 4: there's been a lot of conversations I've been on many podcasts.
Speaker 4: James was asked about this question as well. What do
Speaker 4: the White Sox have to do to improve as far
Speaker 4: as their road record? And they start on a road
Speaker 4: trip three games in Toronto and we'll be recapping that
Speaker 4: series Sunday night before the White Sox head down to Arlington,
Speaker 4: Texas to face the Texas Rangers. James and Jim, I'll
Speaker 4: start with you, James, what do you think will be
Speaker 4: the biggest factor for the White Sox in this series
Speaker 4: against the Blue Jays. If Siakini Sirie another road series win.
Speaker 6: I mean, hard to say, but Tristan Peter is getting
Speaker 6: superpowers from crossing the Canadian border would certainly be helpful.
Speaker 6: Spencer Miles is not fully stretched out, you know, Shane
Speaker 6: Binger has been kind of iffy since coming off the IL,
Speaker 6: Like Treya Savage's last Star was awful. Like the way
Speaker 6: this team is they kind of separate itself or had
Speaker 6: these blowout wins, is when they just kind of like
Speaker 6: jump on these vulnerable starters, especially like they clearly because
Speaker 6: we see the downside of it so often, like believe
Speaker 6: in blitzing guys in the zone are early and not
Speaker 6: really letting people get settled.
Speaker 1: So if these.
Speaker 6: Guys are off or they have some sort of like
Speaker 6: either tell or certain thing that they're trying to eliminate,
Speaker 6: based on the way they've struggled the last couple of starts,
Speaker 6: they've kind of shown the ability to break games open
Speaker 6: against when they find starters vulnerable. Certainly been plenty of
Speaker 6: games where they have to wait to get to the
Speaker 6: bullpen and it looks like, man, what's wrong with these
Speaker 6: guys until the six or seventh inn. But I could
Speaker 6: go on like Anthony k pitching well, or Davis Martin
Speaker 6: needs to look like rejuvenated after the break, or Sean
Speaker 6: Bray could Burke.
Speaker 1: Continue what he's been doing.
Speaker 6: But as far as like the biggest thing, like here's
Speaker 6: where this could come and to turn into like convincing
Speaker 6: series win, it's just looking like, hey, all these Blue
Speaker 6: Jays starters are like kind of iffy at least just.
Speaker 1: Look at them. You know, you don't know what.
Speaker 6: Anybody fixed or figured out over the break, but sure
Speaker 6: at least going into it, it's like, no one, I
Speaker 6: don't see anyone who's like, oh man, he's gonna eat
Speaker 6: their lunch from the Toronto Probables.
Speaker 4: No, I like that, James, because it goes a long
Speaker 4: way of the White Sox offense could put up at
Speaker 4: least five runs or have those outbursts for their score
Speaker 4: and six or seven runs like we saw in their
Speaker 4: series split against the Cleveland Guardians a couple of weeks ago. Jim,
Speaker 4: how about you, what do you think is gonna be
Speaker 4: the biggest X factor for the White Sox in this
Speaker 4: series against Toronto.
Speaker 5: I just heard Toronto Probables, and I thought that'd be
Speaker 5: a good name for a team like the Nashville Probables.
Speaker 5: You might see something. No, yeah, you're looking at three
Speaker 5: right handed starters, and we've seen the White Sox have
Speaker 5: to endure a lot of lefties thrown at them. And
Speaker 5: you know, we'll see what happens at the deadline, or
Speaker 5: received it happens when everybody's back fully operational and knocking
Speaker 5: off the rust. But right now, like with three Wright's
Speaker 5: lined up and with their plan a lineup finally in place,
Speaker 5: like Murakami Beck at the same time that Kyle Teal
Speaker 5: is back, at the same time that Braydon Montgomery is up,
Speaker 5: and then you have Colson Montgomery who is fully arrested.
Speaker 5: You know somebody who seemed like he could use a
Speaker 5: little bit of time off his feats. Oh yeah, here's
Speaker 5: hoping he comes back refreshed. But you're seeing like the
Speaker 5: White Sox plan a lineup or like best case scenario
Speaker 5: lineup when we thought about what this team might look
Speaker 5: like in July, facing three starters who are all right
Speaker 5: handed and all either like you know, Spencer Miles is
Speaker 5: pitched well, but he's not quite up to five innings
Speaker 5: to start yet, and then you know Bieber's coming off
Speaker 5: the injured listening Savage was good until at last start,
Speaker 5: like the last Star was awful, but the few starts
Speaker 5: before then we're okay or good. We'll see what for
Speaker 5: him he looks like. But yeah, this is their time
Speaker 5: for their plan a front line lineup to show up. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think also for me, the biggest X factor outside
Speaker 4: of the White Sox offense on the starting front Let's
Speaker 4: see on how Anthony K Davis Martin at least start
Speaker 4: this series. Anthony K has been throwing the ball pretty
Speaker 4: well as of late. Davis Martin minute he needed that break.
Speaker 4: Sean Burke didn't want the break, and I think that's
Speaker 4: been a big factor for the White Sox on the
Speaker 4: road is how they have pitched away from RTE Field.
Speaker 4: If all three of these guys can deliver quality starts
Speaker 4: for the White Sox, knowing of what is coming in Texas,
Speaker 4: the fact that Eric Fetti and Noah Schultz are lined
Speaker 4: up for the first two games in that series, If
Speaker 4: the White Sox can save the bullpen and make sure
Speaker 4: they are rested because I think they're going to need
Speaker 4: them for the first two games against the Rangers early
Speaker 4: next week, I think that would be a big win
Speaker 4: for the White Sox. So lots of runs help. I'm
Speaker 4: with you guys as well. Let's see how the White
Speaker 4: Sox offense fares against these three Blue Jays. Righties, And
Speaker 4: like I said, we'll be recapping this series on Sunday
Speaker 4: night in the next episode of the Socks Machine podcast.
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