WEBVTT - We Died and Came Back to Life 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.640 I'm Tamika D. Mallory and the. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.360 Ship Boy my son in general, we are your host 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:05.400 of t M I. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:10.280 Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:17.080 Name new Energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon, I am. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.480 Blessed, black and Holly favored holiday season, just trying to 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.160 holiday do the holidays. 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.880 I'm I'm on holiday. I'm in a you know. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.640 Unfortunately, from last week to this week, a lot has 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.800 not changed. We still have a friend who's deceased that 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.960 I wish could come back, but he probably will never. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:42.920 I mean, he won't. It's sad. Kevin just yeah, my 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:43.760 heart is just. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:46.599 Big kiv man, so. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:51.520 Just I can't even anyway. And then our other brother, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:53.240 we pray for him. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:54.360 You know, I haven't. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.600 I haven't seen his family write his name on socials 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.520 or anything, so I think, out of respect for them 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.200 until they prepared to talk about his situation, that we, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:09.920 you know, keep his identity under wraps. Yeah, we got 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.759 another friend who's really in trouble, and the holidays in general, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.600 it's pretty hard for a lot of people. I mean, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.280 I'm I'm blessed that I still have both my parents. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.960 I have a healthy thriving granddaughter. And you know, my 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.280 child is here, and for the most part, the people 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.240 who are very very close to me, they around, right. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.040 Even if people are struggling with a little bit of 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:31.640 it's a little. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.440 Bit of that they're around, and so I don't suffer 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.440 with some of the things that I hear from friends. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.280 A lot of friends, this is a really, really rough 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.480 time for them. Moms that really celebrated Christmas. I know 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.560 your mother really was into Christmas and holidays and all 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.200 of that, you know, and you have other people who 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.600 have lost a child, And I spend a great deal 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.840 of my Christmas morning when I wake up sending text 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.840 messages to all the mothers who I've worked with that 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.200 I know, no matter what face they put on their 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.440 child being lost, either the gun violence or police violence 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.720 or overdose. That's a new world that I'm now being 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.520 introduced to where so many people have lost their children 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.280 to overdoses and oh man, it's just seizures. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.079 It's a lot, a lot, a lot of pain out there. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.520 So I think, you know, like we said last week, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:29.600 it's always important for us to mention and to acknowledge 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.760 what folks are going through that in many ways, are 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.919 different from you know, the other experience because it's a 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.480 joyous time. It's the most wonderful time of the year, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:40.280 for sure. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:40.639 It is. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.560 And like you said, you know, it's definitely hard when 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.840 your parents in our here. Like you said, my mother 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.000 was very into the holidays. You'll go to a house now, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.519 her tree will be decorated. She have the whole way 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:57.600 decorated inside the building, and she was just really into holidays. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.080 So you know, this is always a tough time for me. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.800 But you know, I'm just pushing through these kids. As 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.959 long as the kids are smiling. Yeah, you know, that's 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.919 all it matters. You broke at the end of the day, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.960 as long as you can. You know, I can live 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.440 off bread and water man, you know, if I got to. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:13.560 But the kids is happy. 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.880 So no adult Christmas gifts this year. I decided I'm 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:21.160 just not doing it. I our friends and their health 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.440 situations really has knocked me into a place of self reflection. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.760 So yeah, I mean, like, for the most part, none 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.120 of these holidays are really for us anyway, you know 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.720 what I'm saying, especially as black people like you know, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:38.360 I don't really see we don't we especially in the financial. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.560 Time that we're in. Yeah, you know, a lot of 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.000 people just don't have the financials. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.560 You know. And I think, you know, if we stop 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.840 putting so much pressure on ourselves to be able to 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.840 financially do things and gift gifts gifts, you know, and 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.520 start putting that money and invested in something that's going 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.360 to mature, you know, and it's going to appreciate over time, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:58.960 then it makes more sense. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:03:59.160 You know. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.480 I don't want to take that away from kids, because 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.440 I grew up when Christmas is one. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:04.680 Of the gifts in hearing it. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.080 But I think for adults, I think we need to 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.480 be figuring out how do we save money and how 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.320 do we make money build. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.920 I agree, one hundred percent. I agree. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.560 So my thought of the day today sort of is 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:22.320 in line with this, because, you know, I had this 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.280 plan for the last week and a half to do 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:30.279 a bunch of things to go and you know, get 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.240 my little secret sayners and my gifts over here and 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.680 all the stuff that I'm used to doing. And then Kevin, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:44.239 our driver confidant, our friend died. Oh Kevin, lord, please, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.919 it's so hard. And then also our other friend got 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.000 really really really really really sick and is still even 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.880 though it's been a week and a half clinging for life, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:01.159 and I just stopped. I stopped every thing that I 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.400 would generally be doing at this time in the store, 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.200 calling my mother for this person's size and this and that, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.400 and I'm not I'm still not as big on Christmas 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.279 and buying gifts because after we decided to stop shopping 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.440 during the holidays, you know, with all the police shootings 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.400 and corporate greed and all the things, I cut down. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.000 But I like to make sure my parents and you know, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.480 my granddaughter lashing and a couple of little things. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.400 So I'm like, and I'm not a person that gives 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:31.080 people junks. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.040 So I'm looking and doing and doing all this stuff. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.920 And this year because of those, in these situations that 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.240 we've been dealing with, I just stopped, and I was 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.120 laying down. I laid down a whole day, entire day. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.680 And I got up finally and said, I might not 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.719 go out to buy gifts and to do the marry 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.520 merry thing, but I can at least work on addressing 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.240 some of the things that's in my house that do 0:05:58.320 --> 0:05:59.960 not need to be there anymore. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.320 So my thought of the day today is get rid 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.440 of it. It doesn't fit. It does not fit you. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.479 I've taken jackets that are now. I have bens of 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.360 clothes that I have in different places. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.080 I try that stuff on the arms, don't go. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.440 You never going back to that size these jackets were. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.680 It's not just about being healthy or not. Yes, I'm 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.040 bigger than I want to be. I'm one fifty three 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.800 or one fifty almost one fifty five. I want to 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.800 be one forty. So I know what I need to 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.680 do to be around that weight, even one thirty five. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.720 I remember a time when I was trying to gain weight. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.800 If I go down to one thirty five, it's okay, 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.200 I'll take it. One thirty is fine, because it's really 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.359 hard at this age to get the weight off of you. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.120 But I realized that some of that stuff I'm holding 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.240 on to it. I don't know why you never go 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.920 into ninety eight pounds, one hundred and ten pounds, one 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.920 hundred and twenty look at the one third. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:10.559 I mean, ZIMPI because you eat about four meals a meal. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.120 I don't eat anyway, my song, I'm whatever about. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.360 Four bills a meal, four a day, four meals a meal, 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.120 like you go in order four meal. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:21.360 But I haven't been doing that. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.400 I just don't know because you're not sitting down eating 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.520 dinner with me at the restaurant every day, so you 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.040 don't know. I don't be buying four meals in a 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.680 day anymore because it's just another day. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.080 I mean, in a meal. I don't do. 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.400 It four meals a meal. I want you to be clear. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.080 I'm not saying a day because that just be an 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.200 extra meal, four meals a meal. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.040 The point is, I know what I need to do 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.560 to lose weight. I know what I need to do right. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.680 I know what to cut, I know how to work out. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.520 I know exactly what to do. But I also understand 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.520 that a portion of the things that I'm holding on too, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.720 and I'm talking about years back of clothes, I don't 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.679 I'm never gonna fit them. The structure of my body, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.920 even from my workout, you know, I'm heavy and pilates. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.120 My body is not even the same body that I 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.600 used to have. So why do you have a jacket 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.440 a suit jacket from when you was thirty two years 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:22.800 old and you forty four sins? 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.400 Let it go. It's over. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:30.800 And it made me think about that there are people, places, 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.440 and things that just don't fit, and it's just time 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.200 to let them go. And I know it hurts us 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.760 to part with things like I have memories in this 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.080 one blue suit jacket that's a bad ass Ralph Lurine. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.360 You know, I thought I was so cool when I 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.680 first got this Ralph Lauren jacket that was like the 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.600 the other than Saint John which, by the way, I 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.160 got a bunch of Saint John's stuff, which is the black, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.240 fabulous black bourgeois clothes. I have a bunch of it. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.439 Can't wear it, but I'm not giving it the way 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:04.440 y'all just can't do it. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.400 I'm not ready. It's it's just too expensive. It's right 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:07.760 there yet. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.600 But but to get you a polo jacket, you know 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.280 what I'm saying, with the Polo logo on it and 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.240 the whole thing, that was a big deal for a 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.040 young professional woman coming up getting you know, showing up 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.480 at meetings and corporate spaces and other places having that 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.800 jacket with my jeans or my blue pants. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:30.959 Or skirt or whatever. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:37.959 Girl, it doesn't fit you anymore, Let it go, Let 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.400 it go, Let it go. So I hope that for 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.600 the new year, even leading into the new year, that 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.440 as people are listening today. 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.800 It's people places. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.199 Things in your life and in your household that does 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.960 not fit, and you busy trying to stuff things in 0:09:55.120 --> 0:10:00.120 closets and push things under beds and make people stay 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.200 around and still keep a little thing a little bit 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.040 with them, keep your feet in a little bit. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.240 Let it go it does not fit. Let it go. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.760 It don't fit. You must have quit. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.439 Child anyway, it's a difference. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.320 It's must quip no, so you don't even get it asundre. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.200 If it don't fit, you must acquit. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.840 Just quit. Quit a quit. You gotta quit. If it 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.800 don't fit it, you gotta quit it. You see, you 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:28.280 get it. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.599 I'm just trying to tell you this is this is 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.640 when you are lyricist. I'm trying to put you on. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:33.560 That's a bar. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:42.440 Okay, moving right along the t m I today. You know, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.640 we don't just do a t m I all the time. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.120 We really look for the good, good one. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:48.920 The good. It's a lot of tm i's out here, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.800 tell you the truth a whole lot. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.040 Yeah, this is a good one, but this one is 0:10:54.200 --> 0:11:00.840 particularly particularly hilarious. It is the exchange between Elon Musk 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:05.240 and Donald Trump. Now, first of all, people will say, well, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.360 what exchange, because I didn't see them go back and forth, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.240 you go making up stuff. No, no, no, it's what 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.880 Elon Musk did first. That is the first. 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:14.760 Part of this situation. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:15.200 Exchange. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.319 So Elon Musk tweets out or whatever he has I 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:24.200 don't know, tweeter, I don't know whatever he has ex child, 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.200 whatever he has tweet He put out a message that 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:35.920 said no, uh no, bills should be passed until the 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.439 change of power. So he wants the Republicans to stall 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.520 everything that's happening until the change of power, which is 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:49.480 when Trump takes office on January twentieth. Right now, they 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.000 didn't do it. They didn't listen because they were in 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.600 a stall last week. But by the time I think 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.480 the end of the week came, they were able to 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.200 get some things. A budget moved and they moved on 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.920 and the government did not shut down. Right, but he 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.360 was trying to encourage the shut down and to stop 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.880 all everything, all progress, all bills. I don't even know 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.800 if they progressive but whatever. And then all of these 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.720 memes were out. There was like twenty means where they 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.800 all are like Trump is this little person sitting in 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.920 a chair next to the desk, and Elon Musk is 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.120 big and he's behind the chair, which is to say 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.120 that he's the president. That Elon Musk is the president 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.160 and Trump is just like a little side show. And 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.360 there were other memes and other comments being made and 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.240 pieces being written on Elon Musk and his influence in 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:40.400 the administration. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.319 Right, so then. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.000 Trump, you can always leave it to a little person. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.600 To God, they gotta go. He got, he couldn't take it. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.199 He couldn't take it. So he wrote this whole long 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.600 thing on his stuff, which is truth. So I know 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:01.040 that on truth dot com or whatever that is. And 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.360 he says, you know, oh you know, I'm the president 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.240 elects and I'm going to be president. And Elon Musk, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.880 thank you for your time and thank you for whatever 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.920 you did. You spent a lot of money on the election. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.440 But I'm the president. I'm in charge. Other words, go 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.400 somewhere and sit down. So the TMI today is that 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.240 this is about to be a shit show. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.360 Elon Musk is going. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.079 To field that he is in a position of power 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:28.760 because you have ingratiated him. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.680 This is happen dump. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.800 This is what happens when you give people when you 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.040 spend billions. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.559 When you spend Danny a billion dollars to support somebody 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.720 a quarter billion dollars to support somebody, and then you 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.320 give him a position in the White House within the staff. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.160 Then he figured, I don't even know if his position 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.600 is in the White House. It might be in the 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.480 Executive Chambers, which is across the street, so I'm not 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.160 even sure, but it would be in the administration in 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:52.840 the administration. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.120 And if you give him that that level of power, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.199 and you give that to a person who's already a narcissist, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.880 you give that to a person who is pretty much 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.600 the richest man in the world and controls everything and 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.000 everybody around him, and then you think that you're gonna 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.640 control him when you have less than him. It's just 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.679 not really common sense, because he's never let nobody control them, right, 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.440 So I don't know how you think all of a. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.400 Sudden you're gonna let him cot True, he was playing chess. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.520 He utilized his money and his relationships, his platform, all 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.560 the things to put you in a position because he 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.400 felt he can control you. So now you think it's 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.960 gonna change because you're the president. In his mind, is 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.640 I'm the reason you the president like you, You wasn't 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.960 gonna win this without me. You better stop playing. Yeah, 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.640 now now I'm gonna call the shots like I've been doing. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.560 Like I was telling you. You listen to me to 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.000 get to the presidency. Now you want me to fall back. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.320 No, it don't work like that, does It don't work 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:47.640 like that. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.480 That's actually that'll get you hurt. It really will. But 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.480 you know what I said. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:58.760 Gud get the blocks, close the gates, they out the 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.320 asylum all him, because that's what's about to happen. It's 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.760 gonna be a shit show. And you know what, I'm 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.160 back to what you said the other day. You kind 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.040 of got me together and you didn't even know it. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.160 You was just talking. You know how sometime we be 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.480 talking to each other. I know what happens with Linda 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.960 and me all the time. I'm on the phone with her, 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.200 and I bet you Angelo does it because I call 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.000 him and I just be talking about everything. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.200 I'm pissed about this. You did this to me. I'm 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.120 my son. I'll be telling on everybody. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.760 My son didn't listen, he didn't do it, and y'all 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.880 both I'm trying to tell y'all do this and I 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.400 know that man halfway here, half what I'm saying. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.360 And Linda and I do it to each other all 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:34.640 the time. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.160 We just go go go go, go, go go, getting 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.440 it all out, and every now and then the other 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:44.760 person go, girl, what mm hmmm. The other day you 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.360 was just talking and I'm just like halfway listening. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.680 Way you went from stocks to something else. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.640 You went to like five things, and I'm just listening 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.720 to you. And then you said, and I think Charlamagne 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.120 said this too, that I don't want to see Donald 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:06.120 Trump fail because we, we are the citizens, we will 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.240 be impacted. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.720 I want you to prove me wrong. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.320 That's what you said, and that got me together. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.920 Like if he proved me wrong, I'd be the happiest person. Listen. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.600 I don't want to see American employed. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.160 I don't want to live in a you know, a 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.440 place where everybody is damn there, destitute in the third 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.560 world country. Like, but when I'm looking at the Donald Trump, 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.320 the mind state and the people around him. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.040 I don't see how it went. So I want you 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:30.920 to prove me wrong. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:32.520 I want to sit down and say, damn, you know 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.200 why I was one hundred percent wrong and we're doing good. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.640 Everything is good here, that's what I want. I don't 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.280 see it though, and then sometimes you sometimes you could 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:41.800 be wrong. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.120 It's nothing wrong with me being wrong. If I'm wrong. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.240 If Donald Trump does all the shit that y'all people 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.600 that you know, the trump coat, if he do what 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.600 y'all said, then listen, I'm gonna do nothing but say, yo, y'all. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.880 Was right, because I don't have a problem for being wrong. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.400 But if he don't, then I'm gonna say because if 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.400 he what this is gonna be, this is gonna be 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.960 a lesson because sometimes you just pay you when you 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.520 start doing your math. The math that I'm doing this 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:08.639 ain't mathing. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:11.720 Before. It's just like it ain't math. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.680 But hey, if it math, if it's right, then y'all 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.919 just smarter than me, and I can be wrong. And 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.000 I'm gonna start paying attention to the people that's smart, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.639 the people that predicted that Trump is gonna do this 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.840 and it's gonna change the world. It's gonna be positive 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.200 and we're gonna live happily after if that happens, I'm 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.560 gonna take your advice and I'm gonna follow what y'all say. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:32.919 But if not, I'm gonna say I told you so. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.040 I'm definitely gonna say I told you so. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.320 Now why we might not need to well, But see 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.159 the problem is even with that I told you so, 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:41.520 is that we're all gonna be living. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:43.000 You might not have. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.160 But the thing is, I'm gonna be preparing. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.920 I'm preparing for it like I'm boarding up the house. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.520 It's just like you know, it's off and I look 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.840 out there and see know where y'all like this? Man, No, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.679 I know the off I'm going with. Noah, I'm boreding 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.680 it up and make me my own little off. I'm 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.000 gonna help him build it because I believe that he 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.640 what he's saying is right, y'all. 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.840 I don't think that we need to arc. I'm over 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:07.760 here building the art. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:08.199 Now. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.760 If we don't need to act, then I just got 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.399 a big ass boat that's outside. That's gonna be something 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:13.399 that y'all can look at. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:14.520 But if in the. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.399 Case that I'm right and we need to arg, or 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.840 I got me a room and everything in there. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.080 Because I don't help build the. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.560 Shit, I don't know what you're talking. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:24.640 Okay, you'll see. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.720 But okay, we get to our guests. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:34.359 Yes we should, so today we are joined by friends 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.639 and family. As we always say, you know, two brothers 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:42.480 that I respect just watching them do this work that 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:47.000 we call, you know, intervention work, gun violence prevention work. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.119 And these are two brothers that really do this work, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.600 you know, and just watching them, just actually being with 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.840 them in their community, which is a very high risk community, 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.000 and just understanding their stories. These two brothers are actually 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:05.159 respect And we're joined by Khalil Tut aka Tut and 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.840 Shady Dukes aka Eighth the Great, and they are the 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:13.199 founder members and the presidents of New Direction and it's 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:18.800 a community based nonviolence intervention organization based inside of Newark, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.960 New Jersey. They're both active gang members, but the way 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.200 they approach gang life is different. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:26.560 You know. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.920 These are these are the big homies that are giving 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.520 you the right direction and telling you the real things 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.240 to do. These are the real big homies. So I'm 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.240 happy to be joined by the real big homies. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.640 Hey, you like ten years old talking about big homie like. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.919 How you know, because we're from a community and the 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.000 coaching that don't define leadership by age, you know what 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:53.760 I'm saying. We define leadership by actions, right, Yeah? 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.359 No, you actually you have children and everything. So you're 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.040 a whole grown up. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.200 But when I see you, I always admire your youth, 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.240 you know, and I think that probably helps to attract 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.080 some of the younger people to you, to know that 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.800 you're not out here like wilding out and doing all 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:12.040 of that. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.119 So it's cool. It's good to see y'all. Thanks for 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.520 coming to T and mind. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:18.320 It's good to have you. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.800 So explain to us what new direction is and how 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.680 did it come in to be a new direction. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.000 This new direction stething I created for the gang culture 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.159 when I came home, you know, just to show my homebies, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.439 you know, something different. You know, I've been through, you know, 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.080 some significant, you know things in the city. You know, 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.440 we're involved in some high profile situations since the game 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.159 culture came over. I was one of the ones that 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.200 really was like putting on for it because I believed 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.040 in it. And you know, my big hombide he had 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.280 brought me home, he had went to jail real early 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.760 and before the gang stuff really kind of like took off. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.680 He kind of left it on me to like kind 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.320 of like beat him. But I wasn't ready for it 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.359 because I was like young, and I thought, you know, 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.040 being a game and we got to put on and 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.640 you know, hurt people and you know, get respecting the hood. 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:58.919 You know what I'm saying. I ain't realized like what 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:00.840 the games really was created for until I went to 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.720 prison and really got the knowledge and information you know, 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.120 from him and other big homies who was already down 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.640 serving time life sentences, and they became conscious behind the wall. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.920 And you know that conscious stuff don't make it to 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.400 the streets unless you got a conscious stol y'all there 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.280 pushing the line, you know what I mean. But I 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.399 wasn't that yet. I wasn't ready for that. You had 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.480 to go through some things to get there, you know. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.400 So when I went to prison, you know, I kind 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.520 of like, you know, got with them, seeing bros, you know, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.399 the serving life sentences, not never coming home with the 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.600 look at the feet on their face. And I followed 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.480 these guys here, so you know, I mean, I asked 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.080 to bring homies, like, what's the plan for us getting 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.480 out of here? Ain't nobody had on It's like, you know, 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.159 I ain't nobody forced you to do what you do? 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:38.600 You know what come with this? And you know what 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.240 I mean, But a lot of us didn't. We thought 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.000 we were just with the brus moving. I ain't never 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:43.960 knew jail was gonna come with this or life in 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.159 prison or death. You ain't tell us that, you know 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:47.800 what I'm saying. We had to learn that the hardway, 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.800 so you know, us going through me going through my struggles, 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:52.760 having to learn the hard way and saying they ain't 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.320 had no answers for me. I had to step up 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.840 and become my own leader and find some answers, you know. 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:58.959 And you know that's like the birth of new direction 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.199 because it's basically me going in a different direction than 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.600 the homies. And you know when you say we active game, 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:06.359 it was like we couldn't like drop our flags and 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.639 do this because if we dropped our flags and did it, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:10.280 we ain't gonna be to reach them because it's like, 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.239 oh yang with us, no more y'all on this. So 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.560 we had to stay active in it to just be 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:16.359 able to change it from within, you know what I mean, 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:17.840 So that you know, I mean, we could get people 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:19.200 to believe in and it's a risk, you know what 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:20.840 I mean, because you know you're trying to challenge the coach, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.800 You're trying to challenge the trenches, Like who is you 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.159 to challenge the blood? You know what I mean? You 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.359 ain't the biggest blood out here, you know, but you know, 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.679 like what Bro said, it ain't about your size and 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:30.560 your statues, your mind, you know what I mean, Like 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.840 I could. If I'm thinking bigger than the big homies 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.280 and it's working for us, you know, then I'm gonna 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:36.760 become the biggest one, and I'm gonna hold it the 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:38.760 right way, and I'm gonna keep pushing it in the 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.440 right direction and saving some of these young bros that's 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:42.840 out here in the streets. That was kind of like 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.240 Misgod it and we left some bad stuff behind for 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.600 them to hold on too. That wasn't right. So when 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:49.520 I when I came out of my situation and God 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.359 blessed me with you know, having another opportunity see freedom again. 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:53.760 How long was you incarcerated? 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.399 I did fifteen street, so I had thirty and I 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.320 had gave ten back through the grace of God on 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.359 the pill and they gave me twenty thirteen. I had 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.800 to do the fifteen to max it out, and I 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:06.520 came out. I went in when I was like twenty 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.040 twenty one young, So that fifteen years was something that 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.199 I kind of needed. I didn't want it, but you know, 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.640 it helped me, know, become conscious because, like I said, 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.159 I ran into a lot of the bros behind it, 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.320 like the BLA dudes, and I realized what political prisoners 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.439 was and what revolutionary socialism and things like that we 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.800 didn't know. They started giving me them books to read, 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.359 George Jackson books and you know, the audacity, the whole 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.119 Obama like a lot of stuff they was given. It 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.160 was making us read that and you know, I learned 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:34.760 a lot, you know what I mean reading those books, 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.280 and it made me had a whole different perception on 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:38.960 what we could be doing as game. Like we came 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.440 together and start you know, doing things the right way, 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.440 like how powerful it be, you know what I mean? 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.080 And then we just came around and put it in motion. 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:49.080 So you you went to jail when you was twenty one, 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:57.119 and you did fifteen years straight, right, Y'all's oh, but 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.960 time has really stood still, right because I'm sure that 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.880 people looking at you today just you would never know 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.119 that y'all have that many years you know behind you 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:09.840 of life that you've done. 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:14.040 You know, wow, wow wow, I mean it's impressive. 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.560 The work that the two of you doing, you know, 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:23.720 I even longer than my son, have been a unfortunately 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.280 or fortunately or whatever you want to call it, have 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.840 been sort of like a mentor to many younger grassroots 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.720 organizers that are coming up, some coming out of prison, 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.080 some just coming you know, out of college, different things. 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:40.359 And I know the difference between authentic and not because 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.280 I've watched it all, all of it, And we were 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:46.840 just talking about people be nutty, you know, people be 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.160 having serious mental health issues. 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:50.159 People. 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.320 And when I say nutty, I'm not making light of 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.719 mental health because some of them they don't even have 0:24:55.800 --> 0:25:00.720 mental health. They just haters, angry, just mad at everybody. Yeah, 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:05.399 just just messy. That's a good word for it. And 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.080 I when I look at the two of you, I 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.280 know that there's something different there, Like you guys are 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.639 You're very authentic, and I was drawn to your work 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.160 and what you do. And obviously the same applies to Angelo, 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.760 who's not here with us today, and then my son. 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:25.000 And so why this, Why not just come home and 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.479 say Okay, I can go get a job or you know, 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.640 work with my family, Cause some days the money. 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.240 Ain't coming into the organization. 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.560 It's hard to keep the doors open, hard, to keep 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:35.439 the bills paid. 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.480 Why this and new direction? What was the reason for 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:39.880 that eight? 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:40.720 Right? 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.639 That you wanted to join with what he was doing. 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:51.560 Right, because we had similar outcomes but different journeys. Right. 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:57.960 And although I didn't have an extensive stint in jail 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.560 like he did, I've had expect sperience, you know what 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.199 I mean with going downstate and seeing what that was like. 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.520 And the biggest thing that it did for me is 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.240 it changed my perception of the world, right, because I 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.680 seen the world on a smaller scale. I seen how 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:18.359 you know. I mean, when a Spanish guy comes to 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.320 the unit, the rest of his community don't have to 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:22.840 know him from a can of paint, but they would 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.800 embrace them. Wow, right, They'd give them something to eat, 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.679 he'd have a laundry man x y Z. A Caucasian 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:34.600 god comes the same thing. But soon as myself or 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:36.840 another black person comes to the unit, even though we 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.240 the majority, we'll all start sniffing him out right like 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:45.960 where he from? Right, you know, we just we're just 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.560 unpack each other to the point where we'll find the 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:52.760 smallest thing to disassociate ourselves with each other. And it 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.040 bothered me. Right, and then even when we had things 0:26:56.080 --> 0:27:00.600 like you know, on Tuesdays, right, like we get to 0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:04.280 watch VH one, but all the other six days did 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.399 take VH one off the off the TV. So I 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.719 just started seeing like a losion of freedom, right, like 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.200 you you're free to change the channel to whatever you want, 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.400 but they controlled the program that came to your television, 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.679 and things like that always bothered like, it started bothering me, 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:21.800 you know, I mean the wrong way. 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.120 Why do you think that is why VH one Because. 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.200 We wanted to watch love and hip hop? 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.400 Right, So we was the majority, so the majority got 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:34.280 the rule, so we was able to to to lobby 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.800 for us to be able to watch for these programs 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:41.400 on these certain days, right, But it was it was 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.320 it was really just a way to just spoon feed 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.160 and keep keep everybody calm, all right, I give you, 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.720 I give you a dose a happiness, right, and y'all 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:55.800 just y'all just performed. And I always had I was 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.040 always taught to to say what I mean and mean 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:00.560 what I say, right. I was always to how to 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.080 speak up for myself, and that was one of the 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.359 things that was bothering me. So you know, I just 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.679 seeing an illusion of power, right, And it was the 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.919 same thing for when I was inside the neighborhood like 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.280 a dif we blood and we this, and we we 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.720 quote unquote run our neighborhood while every time law enforcement 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.920 pull up, we running, or they could pull up and 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.200 they could give us any reason. There wasn't no way 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.960 for us to hold us accountable. So when I came home, 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.600 I just wanted to change the narrative of who I 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.600 was and who people said that we are. And I 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.919 just I started doing small things for our community. And 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.920 then it led to me becoming a district leader, right 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.719 because I was approached by some guys who was district 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.080 leaders and it was like, you know, they took a 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.480 liking to me and how I was able to you know, 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:51.920 command my neighborhood and a positive outlook. And then yeah, 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.840 they talked to me about becoming a district leader. And 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.520 so long story short, I ran. Then I actually won. 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.480 So now when lawf forcement pulled up in the neighborhood, 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.840 they had to speak to Shati Dukes and tell us 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.360 who made the call and why are you out here? Right, 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.960 like how can we how can we get in front 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.080 of this without somebody being arrested, and you know, so 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.000 I started growing into that and then you know, just 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.920 growing out into it more. I started in twenty nineteen, 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.640 I did a podcast right just on my own. I 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.320 just wanted to push the work that we was doing 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.600 even more further because I was learning more about it. So, 0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.120 you know, I'm a person that just take control of things, 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.200 so I can't delegate things. So I just did it 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:37.360 upon myself. I did in my grandmother basement and upon 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:41.840 touch a rival back home, he did a video, right, 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.920 and he sent the message out to the community, to 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.640 the culture, and he spoke the same language that I 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:51.120 was speaking. And I always I always knew of him. 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:55.000 But growing up, he was from a different age bracket 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:59.000 than myself. Right, So me and my friends we always 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:00.960 looked up and we had Mayer Chuck, but for the 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.960 wrong reasons, right because of the incident that took place 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.040 at the school, but more so how he delegated himself 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.440 out in the streets. So he said a standard for 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.560 guys in the street to upholl right, And we wanted 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.719 to be We always wanted to be like Chuck growing up. 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.640 But we was just wanted to be like come in 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:23.400 the wrong way. So we did the podcast and for 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.800 the first time he came and he spoke his true 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.240 story to the culture, right, and we did it together because, 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.080 oh why, he didn't have to know me personally. He 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.880 knew we represented the same same purpose, right, And it 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:37.720 was times where he was even off of money to 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.640 go on podcasts and shared his story. But he chose 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.920 to come sit down with me and do it. And 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.800 from that day long, like he didn't have to ask, 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:47.400 He didn't have to ask me to join him in 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.560 the old direction, So why would he have to ask 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:51.720 me to join him in a new direction? The end 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.800 goal makes sense? So you know, that's why we're sitting 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:55.360 here today. 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.840 I love that because it's similar to my story, right, 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:04.800 being incarcerated and seeing the reality of what we're dealing with, right, 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:08.840 and then saying and choosing that I'm gonna do something different, 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.400 you know what I'm saying, and utilizing the power, the recognition, 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.520 all of the notoriety that you have and saying, I'm 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.000 gonna utilize that something for powerful like you. You was 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.320 looking up to him for the negative thing, just like 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.560 when I came home with people old mice on y'all. 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.160 I know he put this in and I came home 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.520 and I was just like, Nah, they stripping us down 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.800 in the sales in jail, and you can't. They stripped you, 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:31.920 not even a man in jail, and they taught us 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.160 that when we went there that made us more something 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:35.880 and they literally taking. 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:36.800 Our manhood from us. 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.520 So I wouldn't be who I am if I lead 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.560 you to that destruction, right they killing I'm watching young 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:44.880 boys coming to jail with forty and fifty years at 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.520 seventeen and sixteen. 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:47.120 And it's never coming home. 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.680 I'm seeing the ogs that I look up to with 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.600 a hundred years in jail telling me I need to 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.800 go home and tell him something difference, right, So I 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.760 you know, so you hold on to that, you know, 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.520 and when you really a man of honort, that's what 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.160 you bring out. So just watching y'all, it reminded me 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.680 of so much of myself and just seeing y'all connect 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.680 the same way that y'all did and really lived that. 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.960 But what's one of the biggest challenges that you feel 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:10.480 like you face? 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.280 Right now, both of y'all, you can start. 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.440 To Yeah, so well, I'm asking the other questions with 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.320 her too well to we could ask about a sustaining 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.240 new direction with like resources and stuff like that. So 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:21.840 when we first started a new direction, like how you 0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.160 explained like I already had influence in a gang coachure 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.239 coming home like little bros that looked up to me 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:28.280 from the story that happened at the school. So you know, 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.680 I already had like created a legacy, you know, in 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.320 the culture. So it was even for me to come on. 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.080 I was bro playing because every time you know, we 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:35.920 came from prignant, we get the home, We had meetings, 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.160 we go to the park, but our meetings was all 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.760 about like you know, negative stuff. So by looking for 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.320 my direction when we come home, like big broback on 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.040 a lot of stuff gonna change you hear how you 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.080 moving in prison? Because I was already starting a new direction. 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:48.920 When I was in prison, we was called like new culture. 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.120 We was having a little meetings on the units every 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.200 jol we went to where they had like gang issues. 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.440 Once I got in the building, administration run down on 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.160 me because they know and I got the influence. They 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.160 know I got this high risk think following me because 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.840 we been heard about how in there before we even 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.840 got out of here, So they was like I'm riched 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.000 everywhere I go because of my case. So any jail 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:08.840 I go to, they are alert and no I'm coming in, 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.280 And I got influenced with the gang. So certain big 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:13.960 homies coming certain prisons, it'll spike up the valance because 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.000 certain big hompies are coming in with a different approach, likeyo, 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.000 we ain't on this, w ain't over there with them, 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:19.560 we ain't doing that. But I came in with like 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.480 ad by a unity or already like clans from the 0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.640 MCU managed the control unit where they had me at 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:26.760 where I met all them like bla dudes and all 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.400 the big homies. They was isolating a unit called Managed 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.120 Control Unit, and it caused us like title thirty nimates. 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:33.920 So if you was a gang member, it was STG 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.320 and you was a threat to the population of the 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.080 prison because your influence and officers. So they was isolating 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.160 us in these units, but they was putting us all 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.840 together in one unit, locking us down, giving us time 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.640 to build with each other and figure this thing out. 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.280 So anybody that made it out of that unit came 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.960 out with a certain level of consciousness knowing what we 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.400 was up against against the system. So I came out 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.840 of there and just started educating every population I went to. 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.480 But we wasn't violent. We were just getting them more, right, 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.560 we moving militant, be coming out the mess all together, 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.840 were eating together, and sometimes they were shipping me out 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.560 because they didn't know what I was doing it for, right, 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.120 because they think and I'm just doing it to try 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:08.719 to like take over the jail or something. I'm really 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.399 doing it to keep my brother's focused so they could 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.279 get home to their families. And I'm talking and I'm 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.000 letting the brothers know that, and They're appreciating. I ain't 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.080 got them popping on this, popping on that. So when 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:17.839 I say it was working in there, what we was doing, 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.960 I knew I was coming home with that same approach. 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.040 So me to running at eight and get this out 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:23.680 there to the pub, like, yo, this is what I'm on. 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.640 You know this when I'm pushing we started doing new direction. 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.040 They got it, got recognized by the mayor and the like. 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:30.880 We ain't golding no with the organization to get funded, 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.400 and they recognized what we was doing and they had 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.359 to let us know, y'all funded people for the same work. 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.520 If we found out we getting people getting funded, and 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:39.480 we really out here got the trenches, coln Andy, you 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.279 ain't taking care of us, so it had to kind 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.000 of let us know. So that's why I've never been 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.799 about the money with us. That was a bonus. I mean, 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:47.120 I was already set up when I went home and 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.400 had a plan before it came to the hood. I 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.080 needed to have my own money cause I had nigga 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:52.759 in the streets offering me stuff, Y're gonna get this work, 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:54.520 you do this, you'll come back outside. Y'all got to 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:56.000 connect for you. I'm like, now, I ain't doing. I 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.239 went to the warehouse, worked in the warehouse, getting paid 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.480 five hundred a week for like six month, and I 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.359 had a plan to get my CDL. So I'm gonna 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.360 work get my CDL. Streets calling me O, got this 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:06.960 before you got my Ain't doing none of that, bro, 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:08.960 Because first of all, when I came home, I got 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.439 a big target on me because I went to jail 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.719 for police officer. It was just like so now they 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.160 already checking me coming home, making sure I'm not about 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.160 to come out of hand spark stuff up. They already 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:19.759 ten steps ahead of me. They came to see me 0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:23.280 before I came home, Like Major Crime Task Force somebody 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.920 from the federal brewer and I gave from the county, 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:27.759 and I'm thinking I got a new charge. They just 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:29.360 trying to check the temperature where I'm not like you 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:30.520 were about to get out in a couple of days. 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.400 It's a big light on you out in the streets. 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.800 So that kind of strepped the new direction too, you 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:35.759 know what I mean, if I had any of the 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:37.680 thoughts and not going in the better direction. When I 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.120 seen it, they came like, look, yeah, I ain't doing nothing, bro, 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.680 because like I'm good, I'm going down to Maryland, my family. 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:45.320 I'm getting out of it. I just did that. I 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:46.799 ain't trying to come back to jail, so you know, 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:49.359 being born again. I'm just coming out of prison, storuce. 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:51.600 I'm coming back first, So I ain't coming out in 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:53.040 the gangster ready for No, I'm nervous. 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:53.279 I don't know. 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.200 Somebody gonnaknock my head off. I don't know. I've been 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:56.680 going for a minute. I was the police gonna try 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.560 to take me out, so I had to get away 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.560 from the hood. And then when I was working and 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.120 doing stuff that I was doing, building myself up, realizing 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.960 what credit was and I had money when I came 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.520 back to the I got CDF, so I'm making money 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:09.239 in the truck. So were able to still get the 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.600 movement moving, even looking out for people because I always 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:13.200 did that for my bros. My bros called me, they 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.640 want to rob somebody, Nah, broll do that. You need 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.480 a couple of dollars. I gam one hundred dollars to 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.839 calm down or something. I man bro was remembering that, 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.640 and as I'm staying consistent with the new direction, they 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.120 started rocking with it. Because the first least I was 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.520 bluffing trying to get the police off of me, and like, 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.080 all right, I'm keep the police offing and act like 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.840 I'm doing these bunds underneath the service. I'm pulling buttons. 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:33.719 I really wanted doing that. When they was really on 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.319 to me, they seeing it I really wasn't doing all that, 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.640 they fell back, and they fell back, and then new 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.839 directors start expanding, and I can stand next to mayors 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.000 and stand next to other people because I'm coming with 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:44.960 clean hands. And the period I took up about three 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:46.600 years before we got next to the man. We was 0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:48.839 out here pushing before the may and vices is standing 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.560 next to him and be a part of peace in 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.200 the hood because he had to believe that we really 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.640 was on it, because some people could say stuff, but 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.400 underneath the surface they still outside because you got to 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.080 you gotta maintain a stain level credibility in the streets 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.640 because they do only respected vallence. So we coming out 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:05.600 here like waving the white fact. Hey, everybody stopped around 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.319 it like we got solved. I don't want to hear that. 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:08.759 But you know me, I put so much work in 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:10.480 out there, y'all know I ain't get y'all know I 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.880 couldn't have got solved. So now like Touch's saying this 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.520 is like, man, maybe we gotta listen, but you're gonna 0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.879 have someone that's still like mad because I'm pulling they 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.319 homies away. I just ain't have the resources. I could 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:21.800 have changed the whole streets and nort if I have 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:23.839 resource to pull all them off the corner. Like if 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:25.640 I'm gonna come in like all y'all getting job tomorrow, 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.640 come to my office, the corners to be empty. But 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.160 they know I ain't had that. You know what I'm saying, 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:31.799 All I guys like a message and then as certain 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:33.520 ones I can help kind of want it you know 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:35.719 what I mean. But it's still gonna be challenges when 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:37.960 you're trying to change a culture of people who had 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:39.319 stuff going on and I'm coming home. 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.120 Stop changing, you know what I mean? 0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.280 Definitely, So talk about both of you have referenced being 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.720 away and in prison, So talk about what happened. 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.879 You want to start eight in your life? How did 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:52.399 you get there? 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:58.120 Well, minds, My minds were simple. It was just it 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:04.160 was just it was a poor mind friend, a retaliate. 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:08.000 It was just a retaliatory remind state. And ultimately it 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:12.440 was the same thing that birth my change, right, my retraining, 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:18.359 the thinking because I didn't so it wasn't me. It 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:22.520 wasn't me getting shot, It wasn't me having a child, 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.879 it wasn't me going to jail, quote unquote. That made 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:30.080 me like change my direction. It was the fact that 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:36.200 you know, I had I had my daughter and once 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.520 my once my brother got killed, right, and I sat down, 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:43.719 I told my daughter, you know what happened, and her 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.320 immediate response, you know, I mean, as we was crying, 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.120 her first response was we gonna shoot them back. 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:50.759 How old was she? 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:54.319 She was about like seven or eight years old at 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:59.400 the time, right, And in that moment right there, that 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.000 that changed my life because I realized I wasn't I 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:05.799 wasn't reasoning my daughter to be a young lady. I 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:09.360 was raising her to gang bang, and I just wanted 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:13.200 to offer her something different. From that day long I was, 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:17.160 I just become extremely conscious of the person that I 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.920 showed her. So this was you know, this was in 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:27.800 two thousand and this was in twenty and fourteen, twenty fourteen. 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.080 How long were you at this? 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.680 What happened? So I was away before that. I was 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:37.000 away in two thousand and ten, So I was I 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.440 was only a way for twenty four months, not only 0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.960 because I felt every day right now, you know what 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.080 I mean. But you know, but the crazy thing is 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.680 it's psychologically and our coachd right. 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.400 Monday, you know what I'm saying. But we don't. 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.520 But we don't glorify that part of it enough, you 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.439 know what I mean. That's a scared bill. 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:56.719 You did. 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.439 You did a five lucky you see what I'm saying. 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.160 And should I can sitter that right. 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:05.480 Because listen when I would go to the little and 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.920 this and see I'm saying, the little arrest when we 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:12.359 do a civil disobedience like a lot of people. Some 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.200 people they just pop in and out and they think 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.600 it's cool. But I literally have claustophobia, so it's not 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.600 a joke for me. Like I'm making a serious sacrifice. 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:22.880 When you stick me in a paddy wagon with the 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.680 wall in between, where the spaces this close and it's 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.440 people packed in, I be crying, like it's really hard, 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.760 you know. They sometimes it'll be like women on this side. 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.480 And I remember one time Yandy and I got arrested together. 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.160 It was Yandy, somebody else was in the truck with us, 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:42.239 might have been Porsche. They was singing and singing me 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.760 through like I was crying and hyper ventilating. 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:50.319 And in Louisville it was hot. When I say hot, no. 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:57.200 Hot, it was on your knees, and they had your 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:02.040 lot of this way and besus was dripping into your eyeballs. 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.480 And you had to have and they and they strapped 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.640 you and they strapped you down this way. And because 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.200 of the fact that so many people were arrested, like 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.000 eighty something eighty seven eighty seven of us, that meant 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.640 that it's processing this van in this van and this van, 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.759 so you waiting and waiting and waiting for them to 0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:24.600 pull off that jam is no joke, right, no joke, 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:26.600 So I can imagine twenty four months. 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.640 Yeah, we take we often, we too. We often we 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:33.279 take two of the situations and the circumstances that we're 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.800 in and the sacrifices that we make. And I think, 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:40.000 you know, and I think woped my mom, so to speak. 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.800 It not just woped my mom, but it lit a 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:48.440 fire underneath me to represent myself a certain type of 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.480 way and not care about what anybody else stood about me, 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.040 because it was, like you said, like once I had 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:58.960 that knowledge of where I'm leading my people too, and 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.439 I felt like I lost, like you know, I lost 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.480 close family members underneath my watch, I feel right, and 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.120 there's nothing that I could do in the physical world 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.640 to replace that. So I'm always conscious of, you know, 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.200 what I'm saying, like where I'm taking my people to, 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:16.520 because we don't get our friends, but we don't get 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.560 our family members back, and especially when we have people 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.399 who follow on our lead. And it's just something that 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.319 you know, like I said, it just lit a fire 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:30.280 underneath me. And I walk inside my purpose confidently every day. 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:32.759 And that's why, you know, that's why everybody reference to 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:35.000 my name ate the Great right. That was just me 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:38.160 calling myself Greek. You know what I mean. Ain't nobody 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.279 named me Eat the Greek but myself. That was just 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.840 me telling That was just me speaking confidence and to 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:46.240 myself because I had people shooting me down for so long. 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.640 You know what I'm saying, I underplayed my own hand 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:51.600 and you know, so, yeah. 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.080 When you say shooting you down, what does that sound like? 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.319 You know? Negativity? 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.839 It was all negativity and possible, right because I live 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:05.480 on the edge of impossibles, right like us doing new 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:10.040 direction was impossible five years ago to people who we 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:12.560 tell our visions to us. Sitting down with y'all right 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:16.040 now was impossible, right Like I remember, you know I 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:19.480 made during COVID and particularly watching everything that y'all was 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.680 doing and being introduced to a Tamika D. Mallory. I 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.840 was always aware of my son because you was integrating 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:27.880 the hip hop culture. You know what I'm saying. I 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:31.239 watched your freestyles, I seen what you did. I seen 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.160 you and trade of truth. I seen you know what 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.080 I'm saying. So it's even big for just you know 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.319 what I mean, for whenever my mother see me a 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.799 monks y'all. You know what I mean, She always light 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.799 up whenever she see me a monk's y'all, because we 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.520 get to determine who our heroes are, you know what 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.680 I'm saying. We get to determine you know what I mean, 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.080 who we look up to and who we follow. And 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:52.719 I think that's one of the biggest things that we 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:56.040 do for the youth and our community, so to speak. Like, 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.920 so that's why we we walk amongst the people. That's 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.319 why we always angst our people because don't don't don't 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.560 title us, don't put no label on them, right, don't 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.160 limit it, don't don't limit us, because we've been to 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.239 those limits. You know what I'm saying, Like, who are 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.200 you to be eighth degree? You know what I'm saying, 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:13.719 Who are you to say that you're going to do 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.120 a podcast? Who are you to say that you're going 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.440 to do new direction? And you could tell somebody to 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:23.759 put a gun down to stop shooting, Like say, I'm you. 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.960 You you you have right right here. 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.080 Let's talk about your story. 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.799 Yeah, so I had went, I got incarcerated for a 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.560 police officer losing his life, you know, trying to protect 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:37.880 kids at a school and which is will lead to 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.120 a lot us what we do with the safe passions now, 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.680 which why we so passionate about that safe passage program 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:44.680 that we run it because you know, it came from 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:46.319 a personal place. I know how it is when these 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:47.880 kids be up there fighting at the schools and then 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.040 their parents get involved and they come up to the 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.759 school and just hood stuff and then stuff could go leven. 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.160 That's kind of like what happened in my situation. And 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.400 you know, my sister was fighting at the high school 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.200 and we got the call that she was up there 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:00.840 fighting and in the every that the school was in. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:02.799 That's like where my set was that like we got 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.040 that whole hood. So if I get a call at 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.000 my sister down school fight and you know, we're gonna 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.680 get down there quick to make sure she good. And 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:11.120 we had went down there to make sure she was 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:12.480 all right, but we ain't go down there like trying 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:14.480 to get him into a new law enforce or nothing 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:15.880 like that. We just kind of break it up, make 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.440 sure she could get her home. And we ran into 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.840 a law enforcement officer who had kind of prior knowledge 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.600 of who I be and us being out there because 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.200 I had just came home for something happened. Some rival 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.320 gang members got shot. It was like a block of 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.279 two blocks away from the school and it was a 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:32.839 police officer out at the time doing beat walking, and 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.040 they kind of charged me. They charged me with the 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.080 case and they were saying I sent gods through here 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.080 to do it and the officer was got shot. So 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.400 they had locked my mother and father up before they 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:42.840 could get to meet because I'm still out in the 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.160 streets moving around. So when my mother called me and 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:47.120 the police department saying that they had her, that joint 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:48.920 just did something to me that just made me like 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.440 hate police officers. But I didn't take accountability that. You know, 0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:54.520 it's all love and fan war. If they you know, 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:56.279 your family all on the line. Were you out here 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.200 doing that? But you know, that was a shock and 0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:59.840 blow when they touched my mom and them and she 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.480 cause my mom worked for Dife. It's good lady, she 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.880 and nothing. But you know, my actions in the streets 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:06.840 that had brought that to my family. And you know 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.400 when they finally had caught me and I and I 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.480 was in the county and stuff. I was always thinking 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.200 about that. Stuff like that. It just made me hate 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.839 the police. I didn't take accountability of why they did that. 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.040 So when I had got out, you know what I mean, 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.240 I was just on that with them with the police. 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:22.240 I just like, but I was talking about it around people. 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:24.120 I wasn't like trying to do nothing to new cop. 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:25.919 But I but it's life and death and the power 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:27.600 of the tongue and sit that in the Bible. So 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:31.080 I was speaking. I situated like that into existence when 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:32.400 I was around my homie every time we went in 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:33.840 a car ride and we just talking about fuck the 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:35.800 poliics might seeing because I just want to feel some 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:37.359 type of way about what they did with my mother 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.360 and father and there like lot my mother father them. 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:40.880 I used to go out on the homies like, man, 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:42.840 they lock it up for y'all because I'm doing this 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:44.319 for y'all, you know what I mean, and my mother 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.200 and son. No, I can't play with d So I'm 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.840 using that situation and further them to be you know, 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.839 further goons for me against them. And it ain't even like that, 0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:53.759 you know what I mean. I spoke that thing up, man, 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:56.160 when the police officer try to get me and they 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.719 overprotected me and and guys moved out for me. You 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.080 know what I mean, And I and actually had nothing 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:03.080 on me out didn't you know, shoot the office and none. 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.600 But I had people with me that was overprotecting me 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:07.320 because I was putting that in them, you know what 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.160 I mean. So when they moved, I wasn't even mad 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:13.080 because I preached that to him and I encouraged that. 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.240 But they knew it. They knew the whole situation and everything. 0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.600 But if they were charged it the right way, I 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.480 probably wouldn't be sitting here talking to me all right now. 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:20.799 But they try to put it on me as if 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:22.279 I would have want I crazed guy would a gun 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.640 and shot the officer, lined to the family, lined to 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.000 the public, like I was the one that really did it. Yeah, 0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:28.840 I was the engine behind it, but I want the 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.359 one that actually did it. And that's how I got 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.719 convicted of reckless manstre because the jury saw through the 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.759 facts of the case when it came out, and that's 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.480 why they charged with causing it by me being reckless 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:39.799 with my actions, but not guilty of the murdered weapon 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.520 and not guilty of shooting you know, police officers. And 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:43.799 that's how I was able to, you know, get the 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.439 fifteen years and come home because a lot of people 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:48.920 I didn't shoot, I didn't kill a police officer. I 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:50.960 wouldn't be standing, you know how they take that, you 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:52.839 know what I mean. So you know me being able 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.799 to you know, overcome that. But I took accountability for 0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.520 my actions. And you know, law enforce was the enemy. 0:47:58.560 --> 0:47:59.799 That's what the enemy to me, you know what I mean. 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.399 When I was living a legal lifestyle. They wasn't our friends. 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:03.960 They trying to capture us, were trying to get away 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.640 from them. So my mindset against them was what it was. 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.360 But it led to something like that happened, and I 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.080 didn't realize I had the power and influence to allow 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.759 something like that to happen under my you know call, 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.319 until it happened, you know what I mean. Then I knew, like, oh, 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.160 I gotta be careful with my power influence of what 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.480 I say out my mouth. Since that situation, I've been 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.040 careful with what I say out my mouth, my influence. 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:25.680 I understood it, you know what I mean. But I 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:28.319 had to go through that to really get to where 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.680 we're at now. But if that wouln't happened, we wouldn't 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:32.560 be here with new directions we won't be here over 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.000 protecting these schools, making sure these kids are safe. And 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:37.000 you know what I mean. It was something like God 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.239 allows certain things to happen for whatever reason you're allowed 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:41.200 to happen for. But you know, I just try to 0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:42.640 make the best of it, in the grade of it, 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.200 because I know that situation harms our city. To this day, 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.799 we still have, you know, issues with people, you know, 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.400 it divided city, especially when it kind of law enforcement. 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.600 You know what I mean, ain't never gonna understand me. 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.480 Some of them did. The younger ones that respect the 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:57.480 revolution to understand what's going on. But the older ones 0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.839 ain't gonna really understand that. Some people and politics ain't 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:02.279 gonna want to be next to me. I ain't gonna 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:03.640 want to stand next to me, you know what I mean, 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:05.640 because you know, everybody got to keep a good, you 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.560 know relationship out here. The relationships is everything we understand 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.120 and with us doing we doing, you know it ain't 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.080 you know, it ain't beneficial to law enforcement that we 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.400 stopping people from going to jail and you know, and 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:18.160 and surviving out here and not dying. My mother walking 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.440 to the store and safe. We thought that was beneficial 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.000 to law enforcement. But we know it's different things that 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:25.440 goes on, you know, with money and people getting too 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:27.880 in care of so we understand, like you know the 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.319 politics of that, but that'd be hurting me sometime too 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:32.359 when I'm coming with clean hands and pure hearts, and 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.920 forget pologizy just for any actions that I did to 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:39.400 make that happen, but showing by my actions like I 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:41.000 can do in front of the judge, say Judge, I'm 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:43.000 sorry what i'ma pologizing then for why I'm gonna say, 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:44.880 have mercy on the judge. But it ain't getting hurt, 0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:47.239 he ain't doing they good. I gotta go prilogize to 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:50.200 my community. And that's by my actions by making sure 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.160 that no another officer gets shot out here, no kids 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:54.359 fighting at the school, nobody else get ain't no game 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.200 wards in our city. I'm giving way back more then 0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.000 I kind of took away, because this is what we build. 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.360 They're gonna live beyond us. It's gonna be a legacy 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:04.359 beyond us. Were about to open the school to change 0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.880 up with eighth degrade for our at rich youths who 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:08.840 don't nobody want to rock with because they scared of 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.719 these little young guys. And when the young guys see 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:12.840 you scared of them, they gonna run rap laps around you, 0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:14.239 you know what I mean. But we ain't afraid of them, 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:16.279 and we ain't afraid the doctor. What we believe it 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.720 because we already died and came back, so to speak, 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.319 face to all our fears. So you know, we just 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:24.000 gonna can't continue to push forward and just hoping that 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:25.879 you know the right people are sitting next to y'all. 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:27.160 We already made it, you know what I mean? 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:28.279 Right? 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:30.880 Like you know what when our home we see this, 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.040 I rose behind the wall and all that, Like you 0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:35.040 don't know what that do for the coaching. But everybod 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:37.359 ain't gonna understand us, but we understand us. 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:40.960 It was something that you said the other day at 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:44.440 the at King College and you said something about my future. 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:46.520 What would you say something about my past? 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.560 What did you say? I don't know exactly what you said. 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:51.200 It was a strong story. 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:52.920 And it was like similar what I kind of spoke on. 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:56.440 It's like you foks because of something. I don't know 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:58.239 what it was, but I just want to say that 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.160 we commend you, yeah, because the work that you're doing, 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:04.719 and like you said, it's action. It's showing you know, 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:08.440 because I'm telling you, watching y'all is just it just 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.480 it reinforced. It gives me energy because you get tired, 0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.120 like you know, it's hard and you go through this, 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:15.640 and you got people that want to hate on you, 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:20.480 and people and and and what I always say is 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.200 my actions speak louder than what you're saying. You can 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.000 say whatever you want, but for the last decade, I've 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.000 been showing you what it is that I do, and 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:29.840 I put the work and I watch y'all do the 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.200 same thing every day. So I want you to just 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.600 give me, like I said before, what is like some 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:36.440 of the hardest things that you got to deal with 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:36.919 right now? 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:40.520 For me, man, it's just for you too, because we 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.279 looked up to you, bro, and we still do to 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.120 this day, even that we're next to you, we still 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.160 do because you always inspired it. Even when I came 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:47.759 home and I'm tapping more in with your stuff cause 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:48.960 I got to see more of your stuff when I 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.279 got home because you know, we got phones now, we 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:53.640 got more access to things, So you know, you was 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.520 inspiring me. I'm looking up to you like damn, big 0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.320 Bro might sign and then your consciousness and you already 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.839 was like there, so I felt cold with being in too. 0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:02.279 And then all the bros like you like the might 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.640 Sign generation, like a lot of my brothers are saying that. 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:12.680 To me, that was strong. But the challenge for me, 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:15.239 it's like egos with the other bros and stuff out here, 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:16.719 like you know what I mean, because like you know, 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.000 there's a lot of different bigger homies that's out here 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.799 that got you know, stayed and got influenced. And you know, 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.040 if I'm coming out here trying to push guys forward, 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:26.560 they don't want to feel like they following my lead. 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:28.919 Like well, I took saying peace because nobody was saying 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.600 peace before I came home or pushing it. But with me, 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.560 I always tried saying them, I'm just trying to inspire 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.120 other leaders to be better leaders. 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:35.440 You know. 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:37.640 I'm not trying to like take over and be like hey, 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:39.520 I got to listen to me or this go on, 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:41.160 you know what I mean? Because I had those challenges 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:44.040 at first with certain little bros. I'm hearing they said, man, 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:45.480 new direction ain't all that, And then I got to 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.360 pull up on them, what you mean that new direction? 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:49.279 And I had to get out of that, because I 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:52.040 can't fight against everybody that's saying like they might not 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:53.440 be off of it, you know what I mean. If 0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.160 a dude can't tell me that to my face when 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.279 I come around, it's all love. It's big bro, we 0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.160 love what you're doing, but you see something behind my back. 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.080 I can't really like be trying to approach that. But 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:02.640 I'm that type of person like if you wanna say 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:04.160 something were gonna, I'm pulling up on you on your hood, 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:06.520 don't care where you're from, what niggas you're around. I 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.040 got you got exposed fixed stuff. And when people would 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.759 just trying to go against something that makes sense for us, 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.560 that's the only challenges we be having because it's. 0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:18.120 Not for a person writing it. 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:19.719 It's like, you know, it's just no God, just be 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.520 hating because of power, you know what I mean. So 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.000 we kind of like we came and took the streets. 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:24.560 We knew direction. They adn't think we was gonna be 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.240 do that, like challenge the culture, and some of the bros, 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:28.960 you know what I mean, can be hating on that, 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:30.680 and I want them to influence no younger bro to 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.759 think they could challenge us and then we get back 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:34.520 to the old direction, our whole movement over, you know 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:36.919 what I mean. So that be the challenges that we get. 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:41.120 It's trying to stay humble, righteous and militant, and that's 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.759 that's challenging of itself. Dealing with the word, that's the 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:46.239 challenge for us, bro, you know what I mean. But 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:47.719 we've been doing a good job with it, man, and 0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:48.680 we're gonna keep going. 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.719 So, yeah, you was telling me a story about the 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.600 situation that happened with a young kid. 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.120 Because my grandmother, she don't want me doing this work 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:58.480 like family member get away. You did enough for North 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:02.520 come out of there, But same thing right right, So 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.520 you know, we deal with the We don't deal with 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:06.799 the polished kids. We deal with the at risk high 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:08.320 resus to these the guys that get kicked out of 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.080 school for having guns and stolen cars. Come after youth, oule. 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.080 They're the ones that's wild. So we're trying to get 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:15.399 with a lot of these kids, get on focused, get 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:17.359 them back on the right track. And some of them 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:18.879 don't be you know what I mean, They ain't all 0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:21.319 that clean. So we had a bunch of group of 0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:23.600 kids around. We're gonna do more of making sure we 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:25.840 searching our kids because we didn't want to move by 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:27.480 our kids, like we don't know police stuff with it, 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:29.520 because we're gonna lose them like that. So sometimes we 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:31.080 gotta be a little cool with them, you know what 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:32.839 I mean. We ain't really on them. I'm not thinking 0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:34.440 you got none of your book bad, but I know 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.279 we going into a center any place where I'm trying 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:37.840 with these kids. I'm making sure you ain't bringing that 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:39.920 name because they got metal detective. They got stuff going on. 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.799 Because these kids they like they got like PTSD. I 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.480 think some of them from seeing some of their fathers 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.920 die out here, some of their uncles. The violence in 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:49.200 or effect some of the kids too. 0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:53.640 No, we know people, We know people that can't go 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.040 anywhere unless they got to. 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.880 We go in to the fanciest rest. They still talking, 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:03.000 I can't go. I can't bring my ship, like. 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.600 For real, Yeah, exactly, And that's what we're dealing with. 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:08.520 So we're dealing We go to a basketball game. So 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.439 we go to basketball game. That mind you, I'm telling 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.120 these guys. So we got a van full of kids, 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:13.719 we got the trouble got so we are all our 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:15.360 kids packed things we had to take him from getting 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.520 some jobs earty kid. Yeah, so we we take him 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.480 getting some jobs, give job training at the re engagement center. 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:22.640 And then it was a basketball game, so we took 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:25.000 him down to the bat So we don't we don't 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:26.640 know what these kids got on when they coming in. 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:29.520 They putting whatever they got up. So one of them 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.960 said something got missing from him out of one advanced 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:34.040 from another kid. So what you had, think like the phone? 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:35.960 So he sat a gun. So I'm like, fuck, you 0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:37.200 got a gun for on? 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:37.839 Right? 0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:40.279 So's I'm trying to count our kids. We found the 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:42.960 kid was missing, so I'm calling, like, Yo, where you were at? 0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:43.160 Bro? 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:45.600 He's like he ain't answering them calling them, didn't answering, 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.359 And I'm texting them. They're like, you ain't got nothing 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:48.960 to do with this, big bro. Fuck the nigga. They 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:50.439 trying to rob me. They some girls he was gonna 0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:55.400 rob me. You're talking about who? So buck chirping our 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:57.840 So but he walking there, he left us. He on 0:55:58.080 --> 0:55:59.440 urged trunk some in the hood with a gun on 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.359 the pipe from and he going through a mental episode. Wow, 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.480 So I call his mom. She tell me you know 0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:06.960 what I mean, Like, yo, she got a track on 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.239 his phone. So now we're tracking a little bro. So 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:10.520 now I don't want to run up on a little 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:12.040 bro and he just upping on us on some wild 0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:14.640 because but this little proper, I've been dealing with him, 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:17.239 but to my first time having him around a bunch 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.719 of other kids. Now he got issues being around people. 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:21.560 He don't trust everybody. You gotta let me know that, 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:24.239 because this thing almost cost us just now bruh. So 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:26.000 when we pulls up on him, we find out yet 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:28.920 he rode on like YO, come here, browing me. How 0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:30.319 you got to give me that strip back you got? 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.040 He whipped it out like yo, back up and ran. 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.799 So now everybody car doub We got eight daughter in there. 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:38.120 We got the kids behind us, three cars, three fans 0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.600 deep on him. So I'm like, we can't let him 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:42.880 get away with this joint bro, because I noticed little niggas. 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:44.920 I'm mad right now. We can't try to put this 0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.239 kid down. If the police se him running around the 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:48.520 hood like this because he got it out, that's like 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:50.960 moving they gonna do. They gonna put him down. They 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:52.759 a don't have no patience with him. So when I 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:55.040 pulled around the corner, he hides somewhere. So we got 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:56.480 the car looking for the backyard. So now I want 0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:58.239 him to just up it on us, thinking we but 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:00.560 I'm like, yo, what you're doing, bro? 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:03.680 So he like real danger, real danger. 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:05.359 So I don't know he gonna pull up the cut 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.319 and just start throwing at us and nothing, but I 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.160 heard something move. We didn't you know that was him? 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.200 And then we left out the back and then we 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:13.600 got a call Munt say it was by the liquor store. 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:15.279 So we pull up by the liquor store. He see 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:17.080 if he runs out. Now he pulls the car. He 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:18.520 pulls up at the first car to pull up on 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:20.560 and I'm saying, butna pull up on him because he wild. 0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:22.560 They time a car pull up on it, he lifted it. 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:24.320 And I know he don't know what he's doing. This 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.120 is his first gun. I know this, little bro, this 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:28.000 is your first gun. He just filling hisself with it 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:29.840 right now. So I got out the car and I'm 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:30.960 I'm gonna get out the car and talk to Hi. 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:32.960 I'm like, yo, bro, you're gonna shoot me. He's like, nah, big, oh, 0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:34.640 this don't got nothing to do with you. Do Niggas 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:35.919 know what they did you know what I'm saying, ain't 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:37.920 nobody with me but me, bro. So he walking down 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.200 the street with it out, talking and I'm just praying 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:42.520 at God that those cop card has bend the corner 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:44.360 and see this little kid walking down the street with 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.600 a gun out like he just out. He had it out, like, 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:49.520 walking with it so I can't get up on him 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:51.200 to get it from him. He's like, Chuck, don't come 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:52.840 up on me, bro, like you're gonna blow it. I'm 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:54.480 so you're gonna blow me, bro. He's like, no, I 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:55.680 ain't got nothing to do with you. So once I 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:57.760 knew he was in his mindset that blow me, I'm 0:57:57.760 --> 0:57:59.919 gonna stay with him and keep walking with him. Calm 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.040 them down. So he put I said put it up, bro, 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:03.400 because I don't want the police to be in the 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:05.240 corner and see you with that joint out like that. 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:06.960 So he listened to put it up for a minute. 0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:08.320 Then I was trying to get a little close and 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:09.360 when he got it up so I could get it 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.160 from him while he got it up. So when I 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:12.680 got close to him, he like, oh, bro' come up 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:14.720 on me. Bron't pull it back out. So I'm like naw, 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:16.720 he gets it out like he like, so, who's gonna 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:18.720 shoot me? Brou I come up on you. So I'm 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:20.120 like your mother on her way, because I got his 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:22.680 mother on the phone. She screamed it. So I'm like, yo, 0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:24.439 you go and mess around and let the police business 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:25.720 corner and we're not gonna be able to save you. 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:27.440 Bro So when I said that again, he put it 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:29.520 back up. So when he put it back up, I 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:30.840 was a little more closer to him, and I knew 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:32.120 he want gonna pull it back out, and I drussed 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:34.240 him right quick. And when I grabbed that, I went 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:35.400 fright for that because I seen where he put it 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:37.200 at both times he put it up and he tried 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:39.240 to reach forward, and I just pushed it, wrestled it 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:41.120 from gave it to the broke, and then I just 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:42.880 threw it a little down like the little brothers, bang 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:44.600 him up, beat him up for the door and that shit. 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:47.800 We ain't doing him too bad, but you know that situation, 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.520 we could have died in that situation because he if 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:53.040 he would have panicked shot the car that hit eight 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.040 door to hate my little niece in them. We got leeing, 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:56.600 We got everybody here, be coming from a game all 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:58.400 these kids with his mother's and trusted these kids with 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.080 us in one of these bass kids did something like that, 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:03.560 you know what I mean to put all us in danger? 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:07.360 See, the reality is that's what high risk intervention is, 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.320 you know. And you can't really pay nobody for that, 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:13.560 right you got to You have to really have love 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:16.200 for your community, have love for these kids, and really 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.560 want to save them to put yourself on the front 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.160 lines like that. And I understand what that is. I've 0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.160 literally stood in front of the dudes with guns. I 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:24.880 literally had to stand in front and be like, yo, 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.080 I'm not letting you shoot nobody. I'm not letting you 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:29.000 like with people that I love. It's like, yo, get 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:30.960 on my way, and I'm like, nah, we're not doing that. 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:31.920 You're not doing that. 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:33.920 I'm like, you're gonna have to shoot me, Like I 0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:36.680 literally had to say that. So I understand that. So 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.680 a lot of people don't understand how serious this work is, 0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:42.840 and you don't understand how much respect that. 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:45.600 You have to have right and to be able to 0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:45.840 do that. 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:47.920 Like they said, gangster, Yo, you gang It ain't gangster 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.360 because you can shoot somebody when you real gangs, you 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:52.600 got enough respect in your community that you can stop 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:56.400 somebody from gang. That's what that's That's what leadership is. 0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:57.600 That's what the big homies is. 0:59:57.840 --> 0:59:58.120 For me. 0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:00.400 If if you, if you, if you call yourself a 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:02.280 big home man, you ain't sureing to do, how to grow, 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:04.040 how to get no money, and how to survive. 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:06.800 You just an older little nigga's that's what we said, 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:07.400 you know what I'm saying. 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.200 And even with some of the stuff that we do 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:11.200 with we get mothers that call us that be finding 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:12.840 guns and stuff and they kids brom They can't call 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:14.600 the policecause the don't want to send the kick to jail, right, 1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:16.400 So what're going They gotta call somebody who could come 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:18.120 in here and get these stuff up out of these stuff. 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:20.000 And that's what we're do. We're coming in and make 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:21.200 sure we get that stuff up out of it and 1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:23.400 then get it to the proper people. We have to 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:25.680 make sure we keep it everybody safe. But that's the 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:27.880 type of stuff that we having to get calls on. 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:30.880 What would you say the hardest parts of the job. 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:34.160 I mean, for me, what I believe for all of 1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:38.040 us is the hardest part is our sanity. Taking care 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:40.600 of our own mental health inside of this space because 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:44.520 we know, we know that we were in a time 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:49.760 where you can't fight can't you can't fight hate with hate, right, 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:52.200 you go on to combat hate with love, right, But 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:54.680 that thing gotta give a plenish, you know what I'm saying, 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:59.640 because ultimately the hate gets so thick at times where 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:04.240 I have to I have to learn and train myself 1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:08.560 to be prepared for, you know, the worst situations possible 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:11.840 every day, every single day, right Like, and then I 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:15.720 have you know, I have teenage daughters inside of my 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:17.640 city that go to the school. You know what I'm saying. 1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:21.080 I didn't choose to take my kids out of this city, 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:23.840 right Like, my kids go to these same schools, they 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:26.200 have these same basketball games, They walk in these same 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:27.880 streets because. 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:28.680 And they want to go out. 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:30.320 They want to go out and have a good time. 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:32.520 And you like, why don't you just stay. 1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:34.720 In that south And I understand that they don't want 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:36.280 to stay in the house. So my job is to 1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:38.840 be able to make sure outside to see it, because 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:41.800 having the prettiest house on the block means nothing. If 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:44.200 the rest of the block is messed up, the property 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:46.080 value ain't going to go up because of one house, 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:48.720 all the houses got to be up to park, you 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:50.680 know what I'm saying. So that's what I always you 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:52.240 know what I mean, That's what I always think of 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:55.760 it like, and you know, like, how do I walk 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:59.400 to a mediation and not personalized? Somebody might want to 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:02.880 get d you know what I'm saying, Foday, I don't 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:04.160 want to hear that shit, you know what I'm saying, 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:07.000 or have it go or even how we just talked 1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:09.720 about with that situation. My daughter was in that car, 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.280 My firstborn child was in that car. You know what 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:15.160 I'm saying. How do I respond? How do I respond 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:18.120 to that going off and God forbid hitting my child? 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:20.880 You know what I'm saying. How do I respond if 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:22.840 that thing go off and it hit somebody in here 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:25.960 and now I have to go to their parents? You know? 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:30.200 So I always operate from that mindset because I'm always 1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:33.960 wary of people, people playing us against each other, because 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:36.400 that's what they always done. You know what I'm saying. 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:40.560 We always had at the Bill o'nills, right, like we 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:44.880 always we always had the judases amongst us, right, and 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:47.960 how do we how do we stay focused? Like how 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:52.920 do we keep everything tight like through communication, having clarity. 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.440 If I'm not feeling something, I got to be able 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:56.720 to go to my brother and tell them I'm not 1:02:56.760 --> 1:02:59.480 feeling it because I'm If I don't, then I'll sit 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:02.600 there and I'll let a damage. Ob then it's a 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:03.919 damage our relationship. 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:09.200 That's the reason why the relationship between the four of us, Angelo, 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:13.760 my son, Lindon, and me, why our relationship is what 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:17.760 it is because it's it's difficult at times, like it 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:20.640 comes to get it out what we feel and what 1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:24.640 we're experiencing. It's not always pretty. We be at it, 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:29.440 especially this right here, and Angelo too. Angelo, I literally 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:33.520 walk away from conversations crying from talking to the two 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:35.480 of them because they don't be making. 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:38.080 No sense to me whatsoever. 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:41.880 But I always walk away better than I was before 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:46.200 we started the conversation, even if I still don't agree. 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:50.640 Something in what we discussed makes all of us better. 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:54.400 And that's but that's hard work. That is very difficult work. 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:57.040 And I would imagine that the work that we do 1:03:57.200 --> 1:04:01.400 to lead together has spilled over into our other relationships 1:04:01.400 --> 1:04:04.080 and how we, you know, operate on the on the daily. 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:06.760 I know, certainly even with my son like, I'm just 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:09.080 thinking about you said the SMD and all of that. 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:11.920 But these kids or people will see you. 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:15.680 I've watched him grow, I watched you go a lot 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:17.200 because he used to be ready to fight. 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:19.320 And I would be like, but you know that you 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:20.880 can't be the thing. 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:23.160 What they My old boss used to tell me, you 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:26.000 can't be big and little at the same time. Y'all 1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:29.439 choose one, right, so you can't do this and that, 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:31.640 you know, And he would be ready to fight, and 1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:34.040 I'm like, but this is not really how it's supposed 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:36.600 to go. And I've done it too, But I would 1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:39.720 say that and we still will get into a fight. 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:41.280 Let's just be clear. 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:45.080 So that nobody is confused. If you roll on us 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:47.280 the wrong way, we're gonna fight you. We're not gonna 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:51.760 let people try. But we were no longer letting you 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:54.080 talk us into a fight. It's gotta be. 1:04:56.440 --> 1:04:56.640 Right. 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:59.640 Like how how you just made clarity of that. I 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.160 don't don't want to make clarity of that. I don't 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:04.520 even want to take how take it how you want. 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.440 That's it. My job is to put it to the universe. 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:09.919 My job isn't to put like you said, I can't 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:13.000 be big and little. I can't. I can't give the 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:15.560 message and worry about how you're receiving it either. My 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:17.600 job is on either give the message. You know what 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:19.120 I'm saying. So if you want to take it, man 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:23.480 after that, nigga, man, how I do this? Then? Okay? 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:26.160 All right, however you say or man, I won't eat 1:05:26.200 --> 1:05:28.920 step up. Either way, it don't deter me for my 1:05:29.040 --> 1:05:31.200 next move. You know what I'm saying. So I don't 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:35.160 care to clear nothing up, no more, right, but I 1:05:35.240 --> 1:05:37.200 have to be in that space because I understand the 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:39.440 powers in the tongue as well, like test it. The 1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:41.680 power is in my own mental you know what I'm saying. 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:44.440 So I don't even have to I don't even have 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:46.480 to say it out loud if I'm thinking about it 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:49.600 too much, I'm a manifested I'm gonna find it and 1:05:49.640 --> 1:05:51.800 then I'm gonna respond to how Oh this is the 1:05:51.800 --> 1:05:53.800 moment right here. Look you know what I mean. Look 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:56.120 he trying to play in And that's why I believe 1:05:56.200 --> 1:06:00.720 everything is mental. Everything, all this high risk intervention, everything 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:05.240 that we do, it's ninety mental. It's ninety percent mental. 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:07.520 And once I learned how to master my own mind, 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:10.640 I like, I leave the rest. I leave the rest. 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:12.880 I leave the rest for it to late with Lake. 1:06:13.360 --> 1:06:16.360 And I'm gonna just conclude that were saying that, you know, 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:18.360 that's the biggest thing that I that I that I 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:21.760 appreach to, not just the youth, but to anybody. You 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:24.480 know what I'm saying, don't give nobody that type of 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:28.200 power over because you're giving people way too much power over. 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:31.880 Hell is rough because if it wasn't rough, then anybody would. 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:35.720 You don't have no problems everybody being their own world, 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:38.840 So I don't. I don't feed into the comments. I 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:41.720 don't feed it whether it's negative or positive. I appreciate 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:44.280 both of the interactions. I don't care what it is 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:47.520 that you're saying about me, positive or negative. I appreciate 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:49.600 because that means you're paying me attention, and it's my 1:06:49.800 --> 1:06:51.360 job to give you something to pay attention to. 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:53.640 Wow we get. 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:56.640 Before we go, though, I want you to talk about 1:06:56.640 --> 1:07:00.280 the women of New Direction, because they have an age 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:02.440 of role that they play working with you all. 1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:06.320 What do you what's your like? How how great is 1:07:06.400 --> 1:07:09.280 the need to have the sisters alongside you? 1:07:09.760 --> 1:07:14.360 Right? I guess I'll jump in there first, But for me. 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:21.960 It's it's extremely it's extremely great for the women, but 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:28.040 it's extremely difficult because everybody don't understand your vision, right, Like, 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:31.920 it's a lot of sacrifices that go into just having 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:35.240 a relationship, whether it's with a partner or with just 1:07:35.400 --> 1:07:38.720 our kids, because I you know, I often have to 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:42.200 tap in with my kids just as much because I 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:44.240 do a lot for the other kids out in the community. 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:45.640 Wow, that's deep. 1:07:45.720 --> 1:07:48.240 And I wasn't even you on a whole different thing 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:51.560 which I want to hear about. I was speaking specifically 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:54.040 about staff members and people who are working in the 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:59.400 organization and what that's like. But that's very powerful having 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:02.560 to because I've done that. I lost my relationship with 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:05.960 my son for a long time because I became mommy 1:08:06.120 --> 1:08:09.040 street person instead of mommy home person. 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:11.000 So yeah, so keep going. 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:14.080 Right, Oh well, yeah, I apologizing. 1:08:13.800 --> 1:08:16.160 Keep going, keep going. You can talk about both, right. 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:22.280 But that's a real space, right And you know, for me, 1:08:22.439 --> 1:08:25.280 I grew up inside of a household. I grew up 1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:28.280 in a two parent household, right, and so did my mother, 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:30.559 and show did it my father, right, So I came 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:34.080 up with a full family and then you know, fast 1:08:34.120 --> 1:08:37.600 forward into today where I have You know, I have 1:08:37.800 --> 1:08:41.240 multiple different kids, right, I got I got five kids, right, 1:08:42.000 --> 1:08:44.519 so but I have three different I got three different 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:48.920 baby mothers. So I never learned how to have kids. 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:52.600 I never I never experienced reason kids from outside of 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:55.600 a household. So that was already a strain on it 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:58.320 fromt the beginning. Because I have kids that I spent 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:01.519 that se get to see me every day. Then I 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:03.800 still have three more kids that have to see me 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:09.400 twice a week, once a week sometimes sometimes every so 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:11.800 often every time, you know what I mean. So that 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:14.640 is strenuous on me myself. And that's something that I 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:17.680 have to live and die with because that's something that 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:21.840 life can't prepare you for, you know. And I just 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:23.800 want to take this time out to shout out our 1:09:23.840 --> 1:09:26.679 brother traded truth, right who going through? He going through? 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:28.719 And I want to you know what I mean, because 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:33.000 that's a serious situation, and you know he touched on 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:37.560 like you know, very rarely do a mother go a 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:41.920 week without seeing or speaking to their child, right, But 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:44.560 we don't never get to talk about how strenuous that 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:47.160 is for a father as well, Like we feel that 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:49.880 you know what I'm saying, that's a real space and 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:53.799 it get downplayed a lot inside our community and our culture, 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.240 you know what I'm saying. But I'm saying as a father, 1:09:56.360 --> 1:09:58.439 I feel that, you know what I'm saying, and that's why, 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:00.360 you know, I also pray for my brother the trade 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:02.040 of truth to you know what I mean, get his 1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:04.760 daughter back and also you know I mean be able 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:07.519 to make peace you know what I mean with with 1:10:07.760 --> 1:10:10.120 his uh you know, his baby mother or whatever, because 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.840 they are not our ops. You know what I'm saying. 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:16.439 No matter what journey it is, or how much we 1:10:17.600 --> 1:10:22.240 disagree with each other, our our our our our other 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:24.800 parents can't could never be our op because we got 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:27.160 the same common goal, which is that child. You know 1:10:27.200 --> 1:10:29.280 what I'm saying. So I live with that every day 1:10:29.840 --> 1:10:32.479 and you know, just having my kids, you know, sometimes 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:35.120 see me doing all this stuff out in the community, 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:37.760 but I'm not there to take them. I don't know, 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:40.320 to go ride they bike today, you know what I'm saying, 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:43.360 or they see me. You know, my oldest daughter is 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:47.120 very active, right. She she my biggest challenge. We talked 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:50.720 about challenge. It was turning that corner with her right 1:10:50.880 --> 1:10:56.320 because she was raised underneath you know, the gang banging, 1:10:57.200 --> 1:11:00.479 and I didn't understand that. So her attitude was real 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:02.920 messed up, like she was real. She get into fights 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:05.680 a lot. She you know, she she's real handsy. So 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:10.800 you know last summer, well last year around this time, 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:14.160 she got jumped by some girls in school and then 1:11:15.280 --> 1:11:17.160 you know, it was instantly like how do we move 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:18.640 forward and make peace with that? Right? 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:18.760 Like? 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:20.599 How do I be a father and get a phone call? 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:23.040 I'm doing all this community work and now my daughter 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:25.680 get jumped. So now what I go fight? 1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:25.920 They? 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:26.720 Father? Do I go? 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:28.640 You know what I'm saying, I'm faced with this in 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:29.160 real time. 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:32.760 What was your advice during this time? What did you 1:11:32.880 --> 1:11:34.639 say when he said his daughter got jumped? 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:37.200 Well, we have to stay focused. Man found out who 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:39.960 who got jumped? While she got jumped, was she wrong 1:11:40.040 --> 1:11:42.559 and anything? Sometimes we gotta be hold lot of people 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:45.000 accountable to, but definitely to you know, not get to 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:46.400 a point where you know, he know, we know how 1:11:46.439 --> 1:11:48.160 to hands and stuff like that. We ain't gotta be 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:51.800 like going back to our old ways. I definitely keep 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:53.040 him focus beause that's just you know what I mean, 1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:54.880 that's that's what I need too, And that's his daughter 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:57.360 so we definitely trying to keep him focusing. Now we're 1:11:57.360 --> 1:11:58.840 gonna handle it. We're gonna get on top of it. 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:00.920 And he know, like we do how to handle stuff 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:01.160 like that. 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:05.160 That's human though, that's very human, Like he gotta tell you, 1:12:05.400 --> 1:12:06.000 remind you. 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:12.040 Because we learned from each other, and we'll be fools 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:16.680 to repeat history on a negative aspect. So you know, 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:19.680 I'm just concluse that with that though, man, like you 1:12:19.760 --> 1:12:22.920 know we we you know, what makes this dynamic work 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:25.639 is because you know, like how you talked about it's 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:29.280 for y'all, right, our advantages just that it's two of us, right, 1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:32.040 and it's a shared vision. So it's easier for us 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:36.200 to have disagreements with each other because we know we 1:12:36.320 --> 1:12:38.800 both operate from a police of love. So even when 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:41.320 we don't disagree, we just bro whoever plan make the 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:43.680 most sense, you know what I'm saying. So it's never 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:46.599 its and it's never we do more than enough work 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:49.280 for us to get stuck on one thing, you know 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:51.160 what I'm saying. We do more than it. So even 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:54.679 if we don't agree on what time we're doing safe passage, 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:56.760 we still agree on you know, I mean, yo, we 1:12:56.800 --> 1:13:00.439 gotta get these kids together, there's Wednesday and go feed them. Right, 1:13:00.520 --> 1:13:02.960 So we got more than enough things to keep us busy, 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:03.800 you know what I mean. 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:07.320 So you're then y'all disagree with way more. 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:09.120 Way, way more. 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:12.120 So I was gonna ask about your staff people to 1:13:12.240 --> 1:13:12.560 work with you. 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:16.080 Yeah, it was good having the females with us, because 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:17.599 you know, when we was going to these schools, most 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:19.679 of the issues we was having was like girls fighting, 1:13:19.760 --> 1:13:21.760 like that was all girls. It wasn't really the guys, 1:13:21.800 --> 1:13:24.040 you know, like doing the fighting at school mostly the girls. 1:13:24.080 --> 1:13:26.599 So we just try to inspire some of the females 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:28.720 that was working with us to start tapping in with 1:13:28.800 --> 1:13:30.960 the younger girls and you know, doing the same thing 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:32.559 were doing with the younger guys. So we get them 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:34.840 all together, and then once we got the young girls 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:37.240 and the young guys together, we could teach them together 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:40.519 how to be I'm sure dells respecting each other because 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:42.160 a lot of that was going on with these little 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:44.160 guys talking to the girls certain way, call them out 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:45.880 their names, and the girls trying to fight them and 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:48.560 smacking them in their face and just trying to be 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:51.719 like why yang they call them young and young lembers? 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:52.960 I don't like to use the word too much. We 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:54.920 try to get away from but a lot of our 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:56.519 young girls just doing that. So we wanted to try 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:58.800 to get them all together and have us all doing 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:01.760 the work together, working on issues amongst each other and 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:04.120 seeing that we can grow and feed off each other. 1:14:04.160 --> 1:14:05.840 And you know, women is strong and certain stuff that 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:07.840 we're not strong in. You know, when it's doing some 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:09.799 of these outreachs wal good. We go into some hoods, 1:14:09.920 --> 1:14:12.000 we got the girls with us. That's gonna break the 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:13.719 guys down a little bit because they see the girls 1:14:13.760 --> 1:14:15.080 with us, so they look, we ain't coming in here 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:17.080 trying to arm nobody. But we got the girls and 1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:20.920 had them doing more leading and and it's showing how 1:14:20.960 --> 1:14:23.679 important they are to us. It's saying showing how youremportant 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:25.680 they are to us as a whole. And wanted to 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:28.040 show the little bros that too, because we wasn't having 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:29.760 the young girls part of our meetings. We were just 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:32.200 doing like man's meetings with the little bros. And then 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:34.639 we're seeing that the bros put on for the girls, 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:36.519 so they want to show off for them. All the 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:38.200 little bron show off for other little girls. So we 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:40.040 get all the little girls y'all trying to show off 1:14:40.080 --> 1:14:42.320 for and then show you what they really like and 1:14:42.439 --> 1:14:44.040 what we all really should be on and what we 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:46.080 should be on. And that that's that helped us. Like 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:48.600 we do, we change the dynamics of the movement. And 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:51.479 having the females working with us. They more reliable than men. 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:54.200 You know, they're gonna be They more courageous than some men, 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:56.559 you know what I mean. They more knowledgeable than men, 1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:58.880 so you know us and get tapping in with them 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:00.800 and trying to make sure that we preserve them so 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:03.400 they could be good because without them is to us. 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:06.080 But they're doing a good job of tapping in. They 1:15:06.160 --> 1:15:07.720 get to know some of the other girls because it's 1:15:07.720 --> 1:15:09.560 like us talk to some little girls about fighting, but 1:15:09.640 --> 1:15:12.080 we got other strong women telling them, like little queen, 1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:13.960 what you be doing in your head? Done it? You 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:15.400 know how to tap more? When them we can tap 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:17.400 them with the little bruce, but they could tap on 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:19.920 with the girls. Then we get them all together, then 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:22.040 we could be able to you know, tapping with them all. 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:24.160 So having the young girls with us, that's that made 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:27.240 us stronger. Man appreciate our baby girls. Man, We were 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:28.280 gonna keep them focused. 1:15:29.760 --> 1:15:32.120 The work you're doing is just amazing and it's and 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:32.839 it's authentic. 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:33.560 You know. 1:15:33.800 --> 1:15:36.840 Make sure y'all follow New Direction. Make sure you follow 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.879 eight through grade. Make sure you follow touch. These brothers 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:42.800 are living. They not just talking about it every day. 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:45.160 I get up sometimes and I be like I'm lazy, 1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:47.080 and then I look in their pages. Okay, time for me, 1:15:47.160 --> 1:15:47.439 give me. 1:15:49.160 --> 1:15:49.679 Putting work. 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:52.760 I just want to commend y'all continue on the path 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:55.800 that you're going. I already see that you're not gonna 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:59.680 be swayed and gonna stop because it's in your heart. Man, 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:02.880 So we appreciate your appreciation. Always welcome here. 1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:09.280 Listen, this is the holiday time of the year when 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:12.400 people like giving money, and you feel so sad that 1:16:12.560 --> 1:16:15.519 you haven't done anything to help your community in a 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:20.000 long time. Give money to New Direction, because although you 1:16:20.160 --> 1:16:23.519 are haven't said that raising money is hard. 1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:28.000 It's hard as hell to sustain when you. 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:31.400 Know, if somebody gets shot, unfortunately, everybody want to give. 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:36.080 But the whole job is to not have someone getting shot. 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:39.160 And so then when it's quiet, that's when you really 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:42.080 need the support, not when it's It's the same thing, 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:45.799 same thing with us when someone's killed by the police. 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:48.040 Everybody want to call us, how can we help you? 1:16:48.160 --> 1:16:50.920 We see y'all out there, But most of the time 1:16:51.080 --> 1:16:54.640 our work is in preventative measures, right, trying to keep up, 1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:58.839 trying to keep peace within our communities, working with groups 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:01.240 like yours, trying to find ways to take money that 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:04.000 has come to us and regranting it to other people 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.760 so they can do work. And that takes a lot, 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:10.759 and we need support that is consistent. We need people 1:17:11.000 --> 1:17:13.920 that are smart to help us think and help us 1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:18.200 strategize and open up resources and bring us into spaces 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:23.360 that we don't generally have entree into. So make sure 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:27.759 that you take the information and donate. Give is five dollars, 1:17:27.920 --> 1:17:30.000 We appreciate five dollars. 1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:33.960 Ten dollars, fifty dollars, and that's that's right, that's right. 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:35.320 Invest in the work. 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:38.040 So I'm excited and I'm so happy to hear you 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:44.519 talk about togethernness. That one of the reasons why Linda 1:17:44.560 --> 1:17:47.000 and I made a final decision that we were going 1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:51.800 to leave the Women's March was because we knew one 1:17:51.920 --> 1:17:56.160 they was trying to drive us crazy, but also we 1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:59.160 knew we could not build what we see for. 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:01.000 Black brown folks. 1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:05.320 Without having men and women together at the table, it 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:07.720 just doesn't work, you know. And I'm not saying that 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:10.799 there shouldn't be spaces for men, there should be spaces 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:14.439 for women, but what we had to have a table 1:18:14.760 --> 1:18:17.080 that allowed for all of us to sit around and 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:21.080 be together because the issues that we face it's very 1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:25.640 it's intersectional, it's both at the same time. And if 1:18:25.680 --> 1:18:30.240 you let the internet dictate what's happening in our communities, 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:34.560 there's this big divide. It's always important to be reminded 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:37.720 that our brothers love us as women and that we 1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:39.880 love our brothers and to still be in space. So 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:41.800 I'm proud of the two of you. I'm kind of 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:44.840 like the Elder Statesman over here on this show. Not 1:18:45.080 --> 1:18:47.840 in years to your point, but in the time that 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:50.800 I've spent in this movement. Over thirty years I've been 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:54.400 doing this and I know when I see talent, dedication 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:57.439 and authenticity, and I'm just so proud of the work 1:18:57.479 --> 1:18:58.240 that y'all are doing. 1:18:58.680 --> 1:18:59.919 Thank you to be the Lady. 1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:08.840 Eight, the Great tut We love y'all, y'all. 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:16.080 I'm so inspired by Toutt and eate Man, the those like, 1:19:16.840 --> 1:19:18.560 you know, since we first you know, usually when you 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.799 meet people, you know when you when you have that connection, 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:23.800 when you got a vibe, and immediately when I met 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:26.400 both of them, it was just like kindred spirits, is 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:28.840 like you have the same spirit, and it was just 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:32.280 like they were my little brothers, man. And just watching 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:35.200 them grow into this work, you know, it's been I've 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:38.120 known them for about two years now working in Newark 1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:41.599 and just watching them constantly do this work and seeing 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:44.960 them grow into this leadership role because a lot of 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:46.880 when they first started, they just wanted to do the work, 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:48.800 Like Tet was explaining, you know, he came home from 1:19:48.840 --> 1:19:51.360 prison and he was just he knew he wanted to 1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:53.360 do the work. But it was these complications. Then you 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:56.400 got to figure out how do you balance that. You know, 1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:59.120 and I've been around people who want to do this work. 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.720 You do not have the emotional intelligence to actually do this, 1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:06.599 especially when you come from the gang lifestyle, and I've 1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:11.640 seen a lot of people resort back to that mentality. 1:20:11.800 --> 1:20:14.840 But you know, just I'm watching them grow further and 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:17.479 further away from it and still have the same respect 1:20:17.920 --> 1:20:20.920 and the same credibility and the same strength, you know, 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:22.800 that they have, so shout out to them brothers. 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.080 Yeah, no, I was, I'm inspired. 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:28.040 I felt like I got teared out a few times 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.840 because both of them are very. 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:39.080 They're there, they are. I felt like they they're very. 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:46.200 Deep, like they're the introspection. The introspection is deep for them, 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:49.960 like understanding where they came from and the struggle and 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:53.639 as was said, revolution and all of that, and then 1:20:53.880 --> 1:20:56.920 what that should manifest itself into is how you support 1:20:57.000 --> 1:20:57.679 other people. 1:20:57.840 --> 1:20:58.240 It just was. 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:01.160 It was powerful. You know, I feel like eight is 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:06.519 wise beyond his years. You know, he speaks slower and 1:21:07.040 --> 1:21:11.120 he really is processing a lot as he's speaking. And 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:13.639 then I could tell like they're ying and yang, because 1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:17.599 you could tell that is like motivated, motivated, motivated, gotta 1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:19.960 get everybody, keep it going, keep it going. We all gonna, 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:22.000 we're gonna do this. We're gonna push, We're gonna and 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:24.519 it's just great. It's great because we can't all be 1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:26.800 the same thing, right, you know what I mean, Like 1:21:27.560 --> 1:21:31.200 on the days when you really need a strategist, I 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:34.720 feel like we represent that. Some days we just need 1:21:34.840 --> 1:21:38.639 somebody that's just gonna think through slowly. And Angelo Kanda 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:42.640 is like that right, think through slowly what's next and 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:45.080 what moves should we be making? 1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:47.160 Should we not do this or whatever? 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:50.920 And then we have you, who's a motivator, always trying 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:52.559 to be like, yes, we can, we can. 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:54.000 Do it, let's go, let's go. 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:58.080 So everybody has something different and I see greatness in 1:21:58.240 --> 1:21:59.400 them period. 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:03.479 They're definitely destined for greatness. And it's just like the 1:22:03.640 --> 1:22:07.240 vision that I have for this work. You know, I'm 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:11.080 constantly meeting brothers who fit into that space like this, 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:15.519 this work should be celebrated and marketed and promoted as 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:16.560 what it is. 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:19.760 These These are hero y public health work. 1:22:19.920 --> 1:22:22.280 You know, it's not exactly these these are these are 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:26.000 our superheroes. And if you've got these young boys to 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:29.200 see these type of individuals to be if that work 1:22:29.320 --> 1:22:32.599 is highlighted, you know, if you put him and Trey 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:36.280 and you know Zeke from New Direction and just brothers 1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:40.040 all around the city at New era, my fault, New era, 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:42.040 and you put all of these brothers in the same 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:44.720 room and whenever it's something to be done, and we 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:47.880 all moving together, and these young kids could see those 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:50.920 type of men move in that manna and be celebrated 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:54.000 and be able to survive in that manner like that'should 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:56.120 you know how how the world would. 1:22:55.920 --> 1:22:58.479 Shift if that's what we were celebrating. But you know 1:22:58.880 --> 1:22:59.599 that's my vision. 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:03.040 That's what you have to You have to celebrate yourself 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:06.840 a right like you have to celebrate yourself. We have 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.560 to have more spaces where we're now waiting on some 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:12.800 outside entity because the one thing we didn't get a 1:23:12.880 --> 1:23:18.200 chance to talk about was Mayor Baraka, and I would 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:22.240 imagine may Burrocka gotta be taught, like you're trying to celebrate, 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:25.320 make sure you get resources. Deal with the fact that 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:27.839 you getting calls all the time. This is a problem. 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:30.760 That's a problem this person that you know, it's a lot. 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:34.400 So we have to find more opportunities to celebrate ourselves, 1:23:34.560 --> 1:23:38.719 to celebrate leaders like him that would provide space because 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:41.960 they I'm sure there are people, especially with him now 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:45.880 being a candidate for governor of New Jersey, I'm sure 1:23:45.960 --> 1:23:48.120 there are people who are telling him you got to 1:23:48.160 --> 1:23:51.240 cut the ties with people like tut You know police 1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:54.960 officer was involved and lost his life. You know, you 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:59.240 can't work with Tamika Mallory because she and her relationship 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:02.360 with men's apharicon you can't, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:05.719 I'm sure people are giving him that type of advice. 1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:08.040 And I'm not talking about white folks. I'm talking about 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:13.680 black folks who know our stories. They know everybody, They 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:18.360 know Jamila T. Dave, doctor, Jamilit Davis, they know everything 1:24:18.640 --> 1:24:21.160 because they're in the room. They are seen to be 1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:24.720 a friend, so they are told and experience and have 1:24:24.920 --> 1:24:28.719 the ability to hear about the weaknesses and the things 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:31.280 that we all fight against and all of that. Every day, 1:24:31.800 --> 1:24:37.280 those same people to ingratiate themselves when they have an 1:24:37.320 --> 1:24:38.719 opportunity to give what they. 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:40.440 What's the strategy. 1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:46.080 It involves cutting everybody but them and anybody else who 1:24:46.160 --> 1:24:49.280 seem to be safe. And it takes a lot of 1:24:49.439 --> 1:24:53.560 discernment as a leader to hear your people giving you 1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:57.280 advice that is often reinforced by the white folks, but 1:24:57.520 --> 1:25:01.479 can can start with your own people and to say 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:04.680 I know that this thing happened, but I see what 1:25:05.200 --> 1:25:08.439 I see touch value, I see what he brings to 1:25:08.560 --> 1:25:11.240 the table. And actually, I'm going to go ahead out 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:13.519 on a limb and I'm still gonna work with my brother. 1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:15.040 Because I know what he's trying to do and I 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:16.519 know he's changed his life. 1:25:16.920 --> 1:25:20.360 Because because it's shown, because it's through actions, you know, 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:22.800 they say, and we always say, those closest to the 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:25.880 solution are closest to the problem, you know, and that's 1:25:25.920 --> 1:25:28.400 what we have to invest in. So, like you said, 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:31.160 shout out to me and Baraka for seeing that vision 1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:34.479 and just the way that he has been a mayor 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:35.200 in Newark. 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:38.439 Right, it's to find, you know, the the. 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:43.000 Roses that grow from the concrete, right, just to understand 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:46.439 how important it is and how much and and it 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:50.479 makes you. It inspires you, right as somebody who who 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:53.439 he believes in. It makes you to make sure that 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:56.479 I can't mess up because I can disappoint him because 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:58.439 you know that he's willing to go to bat for you. 1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:00.720 So it pushes you to that level when I tell 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:03.040 people all the time, when you show somebody that you 1:26:03.160 --> 1:26:06.240 believe in them, it inspires them and motivates them beyond 1:26:06.400 --> 1:26:08.479 even their own faults, even their own weakness. 1:26:08.960 --> 1:26:10.280 It makes them that much stronger. 1:26:10.360 --> 1:26:13.040 So you know that ecosystem that they've created in New 1:26:13.080 --> 1:26:16.559 Work with the ov PTR and the. 1:26:17.120 --> 1:26:21.200 One half Office of Violence, right, because you bet we 1:26:21.360 --> 1:26:23.000 all we say the. 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:31.040 Acron shout out to Colia, shout out to everybody over 1:26:31.120 --> 1:26:33.320 there's that's doing a. 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:35.160 Lot of people doing great workout in new work. 1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:39.560 But that brings me to my I don't get it. 1:26:41.360 --> 1:26:43.759 What I don't get today is how. 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:50.000 A man can set someone on fire on the public 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:54.240 transportation in New York City and then sit there and 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:57.479 watch the person burn, like you gotta be. 1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:10.120 Deranged people. The person the person literally allegedly set this lady. 1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:13.840 On fire, allegedly got off the train and if you 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:16.960 there's a bunch of videos and then and when you 1:27:17.080 --> 1:27:20.560 look at the video, the person who allegedly set the 1:27:20.640 --> 1:27:25.040 person on fire was sitting on the bench just watching 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:30.600 the person on fire. They didn't have any Yes, they 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:33.600 didn't have any prior according to allegedly, they didn't have 1:27:33.680 --> 1:27:34.920 any prior relationships. 1:27:35.160 --> 1:27:36.120 They didn't know the person. 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:39.160 The person was literally on the train sleeping and the 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:42.400 man just went and set this lady ablaze and the 1:27:42.520 --> 1:27:43.800 lady was standing up there. 1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:44.080 It was. 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:46.400 It was a very visual thing and a lot of 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:48.120 people why do you put I'm like, this is on 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:51.720 every news site on the world, like I found it, 1:27:51.760 --> 1:27:53.840 and I couldn't believe at first. I put it because 1:27:53.840 --> 1:27:55.880 I thought it was just maybe AI or somebody, and 1:27:55.920 --> 1:27:58.440 I was like, yo. But then when I started realizing 1:27:58.520 --> 1:28:02.040 that this was really actually something that happened, and then 1:28:02.080 --> 1:28:04.160 you just see, even if police are just walking by, 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:06.679 it just seemed it didn't seem real. 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:07.640 It seems so real. 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:12.240 It seemed like there would have been a level of distraught, 1:28:12.720 --> 1:28:16.120 a level of confusion, a level of like emergency that 1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:18.880 I didn't see. There was no sense of urgency to 1:28:19.320 --> 1:28:21.960 help this woman, put this lady out, no water, there 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:25.040 was no blanket, nobody was doing anything to stop this 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:26.880 this lady from being on fire. 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:28.960 But she didn't seem that uh. 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:31.800 It just it seemed to me that he. 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:32.880 Was even standing there. 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:34.479 Like when I saw a little clip that you know, 1:28:34.520 --> 1:28:36.760 I don't like watching videos, but I saw a little 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:39.240 clip of it on somebody else's page. I think it 1:28:39.400 --> 1:28:42.720 was brother five. I saw a clip of it, and 1:28:42.840 --> 1:28:46.920 I'm like, Okay, she's not like screaming running. I don't 1:28:46.960 --> 1:28:48.479 I didn't know what was happening. 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:51.120 That's why I was confused. What I would think is 1:28:52.160 --> 1:28:56.519 at the nervous because it looked like from the. 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:59.479 Top, it looked like it was completely burnt. 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:02.280 It didn't even look like so she was already so 1:29:02.400 --> 1:29:05.040 it probably just when you see the step, it probably 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:08.519 was just like a reflex because I don't think I 1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:11.200 think that person had already passed with the reflex of 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:12.360 the body was probably. 1:29:12.120 --> 1:29:14.480 Still moving in motionless. 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:17.200 It was terrible, man, I just you. 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:23.479 Know, people, that's why Daniel Penny had to kill Jordan 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:27.400 Nearly because he was a threatning thing is just something. 1:29:27.280 --> 1:29:30.360 Like, but that's the person, this is, this is the 1:29:30.400 --> 1:29:31.479 person you're supposed to kill. 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:33.560 Don't say that, but I know. 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:36.120 But what I'm trying to tell you if if you 1:29:36.360 --> 1:29:38.280 sit there and watch somebody set somebody off. 1:29:38.240 --> 1:29:41.479 Somebody actually did the actually set and then. 1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:43.120 They got off the train and was able to sit 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:45.800 in a chair and get on another train. Literally the 1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:49.639 person got on another train and was apprehended on another train. 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:55.120 So like the fact, the fact that nobody apprehended that person. 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:57.679 But you thought Daniel Penny, I mean that you thought 1:29:57.760 --> 1:30:02.840 Jordan Nearly. You know, Michael Jackson was frustrated, hungry, you know, destroyed. 1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:06.600 Yelling, yelling, and I said, but didn't didn't approach anybody 1:30:06.800 --> 1:30:08.880 or touch anybody, but you let him. 1:30:09.040 --> 1:30:11.400 This is that That's another thing I don't get right 1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:14.719 how How How was the threat? How was Jordan nearly 1:30:14.800 --> 1:30:16.639 the threat enough for you to choke him to death? 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:19.559 But this man who set somebody on fire didn't even 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:22.920 get touched, not one person, not one person. 1:30:22.800 --> 1:30:24.400 So you would have ran up to the man. 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:26.880 I would have done something. There's no way I was 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:29.760 gonna watch you set somebody on fire and didn't just 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:30.160 sit there. 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:33.720 There's no way. Not me, No, you would have. It's 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:35.240 just no, It's just no way. There's no way. 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:39.000 Like I would have been screaming and trying to get 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:41.280 something to throw, like taking my police walk. 1:30:43.560 --> 1:30:45.760 There was no there was no urgency. Nobody was like, yo, 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:47.680 that's the person. Nobody was in wait, like that's the 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:48.360 person who did. 1:30:48.280 --> 1:30:50.560 It was just nothing, It just was maybe you just 1:30:50.640 --> 1:30:51.559 don't see it in the video. 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:54.439 It's not happening. The police walked by him. 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:58.920 He was able to get the lady still at the time. 1:30:59.000 --> 1:30:59.920 That see I didn't watch the. 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.559 If you watch the video, if you watch the video, 1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:05.840 the door is open and the one that I have 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:09.679 is a man table. He's like, yo, rip to the lady, 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:11.760 but this is on fire. This really, this is really 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:14.240 a person on fire, he said him. He said it 1:31:14.320 --> 1:31:16.200 was a man, but we find out a lady was 1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:16.519 a lady. 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:17.920 He said he's on fire. He's on fire. 1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:22.080 And then you see the police walk by the door, 1:31:22.160 --> 1:31:25.560 open door, with the person on fire walk by. You 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:28.000 see the person sitting on the bench, and then you 1:31:28.160 --> 1:31:31.479 see the person on fire take like a step, and 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:33.760 that's when the person on the bench gets up. The 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:36.960 police don't already walk by him. This person's still sitting there. 1:31:37.040 --> 1:31:40.320 There's no sense to urge. There's nobody around. Everybody just 1:31:40.400 --> 1:31:43.720 completely gone. And it's just like this didn't seem like 1:31:44.479 --> 1:31:45.960 it was real. It didn't seem like it was an 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:50.000 emergency situation. It didn't seem like nobody took this serious. 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:51.759 And it's just like, I just don't understand. 1:31:51.840 --> 1:31:51.960 Man. 1:31:52.200 --> 1:31:56.840 My condolezs goes out to the family, you know, you know, 1:31:57.160 --> 1:32:00.600 and I don't know what the mind that you have 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:03.160 to have some type of mental health to do that. 1:32:03.280 --> 1:32:03.720 I just don't. 1:32:03.760 --> 1:32:06.800 I don't even understand what else it could be, you know, 1:32:06.920 --> 1:32:10.200 for you to just set a stranger ablade. 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:14.720 The mental health crisis of you know, this city in 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:19.640 New York is very significant. It's very severe, and we 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:22.160 won't be able to choke our way out of it, 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:24.920 to kill our way out of it, to arrest our 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:28.479 way out of it. We won't be able to solve 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:32.519 it with rhetoric or with new laws. We will only 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:36.519 be able to settle it if a new law is 1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:42.160 created that mandates very severe mental health support for people 1:32:42.360 --> 1:32:45.880 from school age all the way up to people who 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:46.360 are working. 1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:46.960 In this city. 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:50.639 You have people who are going to jobs every day 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:54.960 that are working high level jobs. You got people sometimes 1:32:55.040 --> 1:32:58.840 you in the train station, people start cursing and they 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:03.760 stay employee. In fact, I was going through security a 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:06.280 couple of months ago and really got into it with 1:33:06.360 --> 1:33:09.320 the TSA agent who really thought we was in the 1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:11.320 street like we was outside. Well, I don't know, but 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:13.719 you ain't gonna be able to win. Okay, But sweet 1:33:13.760 --> 1:33:16.280 are I understand what you're saying. I'm just telling you 1:33:16.400 --> 1:33:18.439 that it always works. So if you're saying that I 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:20.120 need to take it off now, it's a certain way 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:20.519 you need. 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:20.840 To speak to it. 1:33:20.920 --> 1:33:22.840 I don't got to speak to No, yes, you do, 1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:27.439 because guess what, I am paying for you to stand 1:33:27.479 --> 1:33:29.800 here and do a job. And so there is a 1:33:29.920 --> 1:33:32.920 way that I would like to be talked to. I 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:36.040 don't you don't I'm not a person that gives people problems, 1:33:36.360 --> 1:33:39.200 and they in the point of authority to tell me 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:41.080 you need to put this in the bind or you 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:43.400 gotta do I'm not getting into no fight over that. 1:33:43.680 --> 1:33:45.880 But you're not gonna talk to me like me and 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:50.080 you outside in the projects on one whatever street. But 1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:53.639 what I'm telling you is that people be going through stuff. 1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:56.880 So whereas you would think that because we're in this 1:33:57.240 --> 1:34:00.479 environment and I could get into it, which you back 1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:02.840 and forth and didn't keep going, you never know, she 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:03.320 might have. 1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:06.040 Came flying through the thing, knocked me down. Try to 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:06.439 fight me. 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:11.040 Because people are going to corporate jobs, they're going to Broadway, 1:34:11.439 --> 1:34:12.280 they're going. 1:34:12.160 --> 1:34:14.479 To hospitals, and they are the people. 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:19.559 They are the worker, the doctor, the the whatever whatever 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:24.720 the corporate and the executive having very serious mental life 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:24.960 would do. 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:28.360 I had to think. 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:29.960 I had a receipt in my pocket, you know how 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:31.559 you taking the stuff out, you put it in there. 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:33.080 And I was going back through and it was a 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:35.200 little receipt and I just put it on top of 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:37.599 the thing, and she's like, don't just throw that there. 1:34:38.200 --> 1:34:39.920 I said, well, man, will should I put it? Well, 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:40.960 I don't know what you should put it, put it 1:34:40.960 --> 1:34:43.160 in garbage. Would you just throw that in your in 1:34:43.240 --> 1:34:45.479 your house like that? I can imagine how you live? 1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:47.920 I said, man, where did all this come from? 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:50.479 You don't know nothing about how I live, you know. 1:34:50.600 --> 1:34:53.080 And she was a very she was a very big lady. 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:54.519 And I was about to say, well, I can imagine, 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:56.400 and I didn't want to, and I didn't get into 1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:58.720 that because I was really I was like, well, why 1:34:58.760 --> 1:35:01.720 would you talk about how you all this over a 1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:02.439 piece of paper? 1:35:02.520 --> 1:35:04.720 Well, I mean, I could just tell, but. 1:35:04.760 --> 1:35:06.880 That's what I'm saying, Like people are going there and 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:10.800 then that the problem is that what so happened if 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:14.320 you would have responded to her in the same way 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:16.679 that she was speaking to you, and then it would 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:20.439 have turned into a thing. So because because because trust me, 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:25.040 like you, like her, like anybody, we all got stuff 1:35:25.120 --> 1:35:27.800 going on. So it's not just a one sided thing. 1:35:27.960 --> 1:35:30.960 You might meet somebody on the other side who might snap, 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:33.880 and that means that we have to be dealing with 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:36.840 mental health from when our children are very, very small. 1:35:36.880 --> 1:35:40.639 The one thing I heard those brothers saying today, tut 1:35:40.920 --> 1:35:44.400 and Ate, is when this young man was with them 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:47.559 and they took him out right, and he's telling they 1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:51.519 telling the story he does not like. He gets nervous 1:35:51.600 --> 1:35:54.920 around other people. God only knows the story of how 1:35:55.000 --> 1:35:59.880 he got there, but there's been no one to address it, right, 1:36:00.320 --> 1:36:03.519 so nobody else. So this day he could have created 1:36:03.600 --> 1:36:07.559 a mass crisis off of trauma that might have set 1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:08.599 in at four years old. 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:11.920 Three years old, we don't know. So with that being said, 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:14.120 you know, and it might not be that. 1:36:14.280 --> 1:36:17.200 Maybe it's something that he went through outside at twelve 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:20.120 that nobody knows about. I'm just saying all of this 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:26.519 to say until we take a serious, serious look at 1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:29.240 how to deal with mental health, not to the point 1:36:29.320 --> 1:36:31.599 that you have to be in crisis to get support, 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:35.439 but that you have tools for addressing the potential of 1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:39.360 a crisis. And that only comes from from school age, 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:43.560 from a child very small, being given the tools to 1:36:43.720 --> 1:36:47.760 deal with pressure, to deal with the response to the 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:51.080 world and all the crazy things that's constantly going on. 1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:54.839 You need tools, and we're not we've not been presented 1:36:54.920 --> 1:36:55.120 with that. 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:56.680 We sure have not. 1:36:56.960 --> 1:36:59.840 Y No, Well, that brings us to the end of 1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:03.360 another episode. Shout out to our brothers eight and tut 1:37:03.800 --> 1:37:06.160 from New Direction. Make sure you follow those brothers. They're 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:10.559 doing amazing work. Thank you to our followers. You always 1:37:10.600 --> 1:37:13.280 support us. 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