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Speaker 1: Every day of click your ass up the breakfast club

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Speaker 1: finish for y'all done more than everybody.

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Speaker 2: We are a breakfast club.

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Speaker 3: Long the Roses here as well, And we got a

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Speaker 3: special guest in the building.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed we have Laura Coats.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, Hey, you happy to be here, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, welcome, welcome you wake up Laura at midnight?

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Speaker 5: Right, I go out midnight, I go to bed probably

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Speaker 5: by two am.

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Speaker 4: I'm by six.

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Speaker 5: Wow, nice, I have I have babies. I call them

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Speaker 5: baby because that's why I have baby. Wait, so it's

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Speaker 5: eleven and twelve year olds. Therefore I'm up with them,

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Speaker 5: getting them ready or trying to or you know, piddling

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Speaker 5: like an old person trying to figure out how to

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Speaker 5: start my day.

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Speaker 4: But I can't sleep long any longer. I can't.

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Speaker 1: We just ended, because is it?

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Speaker 6: Because your brain is always wired to be a part

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Speaker 6: of like the news cycle.

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Speaker 5: I'm constantly thinking, Like last night, I think I got

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Speaker 5: an hour and a half asleep because my mind could not.

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Speaker 7: You couldn't.

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Speaker 5: You can't wait come down because you for me, I'm

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Speaker 5: always navigating minefields.

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Speaker 4: You all know how to is.

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Speaker 5: And so when you're constantly sort of being your own champion,

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Speaker 5: being a businesswoman navigating mine fields.

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Speaker 4: Then I'll be trying to educate and inform. Your mind can't.

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Speaker 5: Shut off very well, and so I'm always battling with

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Speaker 5: how to do my go to bed routine. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'll do like the bath, I'll watch some Golden Girls,

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Speaker 5: but it still takes some time.

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Speaker 2: You take naps at least I do.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, if I if you talk me right now,

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Speaker 5: you have an hour, I'd be knocked out right now.

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Speaker 4: But I can do that quick.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, yes, I have not seen one of those

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Speaker 5: safety things on the plane in like years.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 5: You're like, I haven't had a pretzeul. No sprite with

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Speaker 5: me without ice doesn't matter. I just I can't have it.

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Speaker 4: I can't help it.

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Speaker 8: I do how you turn it off and all with

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Speaker 8: your kids though, because like sometimes they just want mom.

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Speaker 9: That's just about to be whatever.

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Speaker 5: My kids don't care at all about the work they

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Speaker 5: for me. I'm very intentional because look, I I want

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Speaker 5: I wanted to be a mom.

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Speaker 4: I really wanted to be a mother, and I wanted.

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Speaker 5: To be their mother in particular, and so I have

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Speaker 5: to be present and really, if you don't sort of

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Speaker 5: leave work. When I'm not working, my mind might be racing,

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Speaker 5: but I'm with my babies or with my man.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm with them. That's all there is to it.

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Speaker 5: And so they try to come with me a lot though.

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Speaker 5: That's why I try to incorporate. My daughter comes every

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Speaker 5: Friday night to the show, and because my producer, she's eleven,

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Speaker 5: she's tall than me. Now, my son, he plays basketball,

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Speaker 5: and so he's always I'm always trying to be with

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Speaker 9: I was.

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Speaker 4: My nickname as a kid was baby Huey.

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Speaker 5: I'm the.

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Speaker 5: A to counteract that because my mom is four eleven,

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Speaker 5: my dad's five four, and they're like, how.

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Speaker 4: Do you get so big? I'm like, I'm five three

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Speaker 4: and a half. But that half.

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Speaker 1: Half used to be a federal prosecutor.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 6: I want to go back from the beginning. You went

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Speaker 6: to college for law clearly, yeah, okay, what's cool.

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Speaker 5: I went to Princeton undergrad. I'm from Minnesota. I went

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Speaker 5: back to Minnesota for law school. I didn't think I

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Speaker 5: But really I knew I was going to become in

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Speaker 4: And she was a young black woman.

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Speaker 5: From Virginia who had met the wrong man, had gotten

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Speaker 4: And my mom brought home the magazine. There's three of us.

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Speaker 5: She's like, girls, I want you to read this as

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Speaker 5: a cautionary tale. And I think what she wanted as

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Speaker 3: With the story of what happened the time she got

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Speaker 4: So spirit there you go. Damn Look I'm forty five.

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Speaker 7: You know how old she is.

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Speaker 5: But you know they've picking the I TA the Amazon thing.

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Speaker 5: So I was here, I saw so I understand. Well,

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Speaker 5: Kemba So she was a college girl. The world was

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Speaker 5: is manipulative and convinces her to get involved in crime.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't think she's getting involved.

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Speaker 5: I think she's just kind of carrying something for someone

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Speaker 4: But it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: And while he got sort of a slap on the wrist,

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Speaker 1: What was the man.

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Speaker 2: Commonwealth kind of make up their rules, laws and regulations.

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Speaker 1: Risk for him? How the time to need you?

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Speaker 5: I don't think he got much time at all. I

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Speaker 5: don't get the idea of I understand I see myself

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Speaker 5: was a prosecutorial error. This was somebody who refused to

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Speaker 5: I've met her since and talked to her about this,

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Speaker 5: and we've shared some tears about what it's like to

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Speaker 4: It's overwhelming. You're human, you're flawed.

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Speaker 5: There's no resources that are going to be able to

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Speaker 5: provide for all that you have to do. And yet

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Speaker 5: you have someone's life in your hand, their entire life,

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Speaker 5: not just their life, but people in the court who

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Speaker 4: Ones, their parents who were there.

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Speaker 5: And it was a time was it wore on me,

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Speaker 5: even though I thought what I was doing and I

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Speaker 3: Wow, she got twenty four years, she was let out,

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Speaker 3: an she was let out. She only get six, but

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Speaker 3: she got twenty four years.

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Speaker 6: So as a form of federal prosecutor, how do you

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Speaker 6: balance explaining the law for everyday viewers without losing the complexity.

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Speaker 1: Of what law is.

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Speaker 5: I think you don't understand something unless you can explain

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a phrase.

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Speaker 5: And when I was in trials, I did a lot

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Speaker 4: A twenty dollars word when a quarter word will do.

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Speaker 5: Right. You want to talk to people and meet them

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Speaker 5: where they are, not because they know less intellectually, because

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Speaker 5: or they're not as smart, but because you and I

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Speaker 4: Don't open like I gave chase.

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Speaker 5: Do you mean you ran somewhere? Because you want people

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Speaker 5: to understand what's happening. And I think there's an elitism

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Speaker 5: I don't get it, so therefore I hands off their reflexes.

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Speaker 4: Well I don't care about that. It's rigged. It's a

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Speaker 4: whole game of the system. That was the point.

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Speaker 5: They want people to not participate, They want people not

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Speaker 5: Floyd murder trial, which I'm clear not the George Floyd trial,

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Speaker 5: that's Derek Chauvin trial, the George Floyd murder trial, and

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Speaker 5: my kids were on the floor literally because it was homeschool.

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Speaker 5: Don't get me a starting They're sitting there watching me

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Speaker 5: explain something, and the why.

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Speaker 4: The why was always the hardest question.

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Speaker 5: Like I could explain the Constitution, I can recite the amendments,

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Speaker 5: I can explain the different case law. But the hardest

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Speaker 4: Why.

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Speaker 1: You know who told me that? Larry King?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 1: Larry King said God, Larry King said, he said Charlamagne.

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Speaker 6: The toughest question you can ask a person is why why?

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Speaker 6: Because people really don't ever think about the why. Usually

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Speaker 6: they have their talking points, or they have their things

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Speaker 5: And it makes you think ahead in the future and

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Speaker 5: explain the past simultaneously, because the why requires you explain

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Speaker 5: the way it was, how you've let it be, and

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Speaker 5: also how you could change it. Because in that one

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Speaker 5: three letter word you're being challenged. It's almost like the

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Speaker 5: question is why did you let that happen? Or why

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Speaker 5: is it still that way? Or why haven't we changed it?

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Speaker 5: You have to think about all those things. And you know,

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Speaker 5: in this jurney of twelve or how many people, how

445
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 5: many of you might get off on that, or how

446
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 5: many of you might feel as though, well, you shouldn't

447
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 5: be in my bedroom, so don't judge that.

448
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 4: Why are we here about that?

449
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 5: And so you always run the risk of coming across

450
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 5: as you know, whether actually as a black prosecutor or

451
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 5: not as a Karen as somebody who is who knows

452
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 5: better than you is going to elevate it to the authorities,

453
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 5: and you have.

454
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Speaker 4: To balance that.

455
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 5: They were good prosecutors though, But I think just the

456
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 5: image of and how it was portrayed, especially outside of

457
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 5: the courtroom and the court of public opinion. You cannot

458
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 5: separate race and power and sex and rock and roll.

459
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 5: In that instance, you think they got it right the jury,

460
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 5: you know, based on the presentation of evidence.

461
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 4: There was no other result.

462
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 5: And I was surprised that so many people who weren't

463
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 5: inside the courtner every day and weren't watching it and

464
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 5: maybe we're reading Transcift thought there's no way he can't

465
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 5: be con Rico, and I thought, well, based on what's

466
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 5: been presented, you are making people connect so many.

467
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 4: Dots and Rico's complex.

468
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 5: You guys, right, it's not just your average you know,

469
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 5: walk by someone's bar and say, it's a shame. You know,

470
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 5: you have some nice windows here, someone's gonna blow them

471
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 5: unless you pay this amount of money and pay this

472
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 5: person like a mob boss hair or mob boss whatever.

473
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 4: It's much more complicated. You got to bridge all these gaps.

474
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 5: And when they didn't call people like the right hand

475
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 5: men and women of Ditty, I wondered if the jurors thought, well, I've.

476
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 4: Heard a lot about these people. Why have I not

477
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 4: seeing any of them?

478
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 6: Yeah?

479
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 4: Why is that? And the thing is you could technically

480
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 4: one person for conspiracy is enough.

481
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 5: But again back to your question about how fairness operates

482
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 5: and how the law. People have so many questions about

483
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 5: how can that be and is that fair?

484
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 4: And in a way we.

485
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 5: All become through the thirteenth juror and we have our

486
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 5: minds going all right in the grand scheme of things.

487
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 4: Why are you so focused on this? Why this right

488
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 4: or wrong? That's their question.

489
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask one other question.

490
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Speaker 3: You know, so what he was charged with, right, do

491
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 3: you think he should have got a bond or do

492
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: you think that he should still be sitting there now?

493
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: Because when they did research, they said anybody with this

494
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: type of charge usually gets slap on the risk, community

495
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: service weekend in jail. But it seems like faird charges.

496
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: I ain't heard no community service from the FED.

497
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: Or for prostitution.

498
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 5: You mean to leave pay until your head's in October? Right,

499
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 5: So normally, if it's a very violent crime, you weretil

500
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 5: your sentence because the expectation is you're going to be sentenced,

501
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 5: so why not just don't get used to being out.

502
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 5: But it wasn't, and that's important to the point you raised,

503
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 5: because what the the conviction was not a crime of violence.

504
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 5: It didn't even require coercion like say, sex trafficking did.

505
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 5: But because the lawyers argued as a given, yeah, he

506
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 5: was violent, you didn't charge him with that. The judge said, well,

507
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 5: this could qualify under the umbrella of the types of

508
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 5: matters that are violent by your own admission.

509
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Counsel, even though he wasn't charged.

510
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 5: Even though he wasn't charged that now. That why this

511
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 5: is why there's a fairness issue here is because they

512
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 5: tell the jury at the beginning the attorney's arguments and

513
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 5: say they're they're not evidence. You cannot consider what the

514
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 5: attorney says, right, but the judge did. The judge considered

515
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 5: like he said, well, he's yes, he's he was violent. Yes,

516
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: that happened in the hotel lobby or the hotel hallway.

517
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 5: That absolutely happened. But he can he can actually look

518
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 5: at those things to hold the person longer, although I

519
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 5: do wonder if in holding him now it makes the

520
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 5: judge appear that much more objectively harsh. Therefore, when he sentences,

521
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 5: if it's less than what the prosecution wants, you can't

522
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 5: accuse him of going light and soft on diddy, Right, what.

523
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna get as a former prosecute, I.

524
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 5: Would be surprised if it went beyond two or three years,

525
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 5: with one year being credited to him time his time

526
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 5: already in. The reason for that is although you have

527
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 5: ten years per charge, normally you wouldn't run those consecutively

528
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 5: like where that's you know, back to back up to twenty.

529
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 5: Because the nature of the crime and because he's a

530
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 5: first time commits a defender in this context, sentence and

531
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Speaker 5: guidelines have kind of a chart that says, you know,

532
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 5: this crime gives you this point, this other, this point,

533
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 5: and now I have a little category. Now you're over here,

534
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 5: and you're in this range. The judge can still say

535
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 5: less or more, but it would be in line with

536
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 5: other cases if it was in the lower end. The prosecution, though,

537
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 5: they want their bone and their dogs about it, because

538
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 5: they have to be for the reasons, are going forward

539
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 5: and thinking we put these resources in. We feel that

540
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 5: he's violent and that there should have been longer and more.

541
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 5: They're gonna go hard.

542
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 7: But with the.

543
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 5: Judge I think will be in his right judicial mind

544
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 5: if he's in the same range that Diddy has based

545
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 5: on nothing a prior offender.

546
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 10: Wow, I'm glad I don't get in trouble no more.

547
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 10: I don't understand none of y'all talking about. Really, I'm

548
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 10: telling you, well, yeah, you see, ain't none of y'allways,

549
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 10: But y'all understand is this?

550
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 7: I'm just being there like all right? So does that

551
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 7: mean I'm going to jail?

552
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: Not like you know what I mean?

553
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 7: Like I have no Yeah, And and then the thing

554
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 7: is right up here.

555
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 10: Lauren reports on a lot of these type of cases, right,

556
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 10: And I understand, Yeah, she does a great job. I

557
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 10: understand a little bit when she breaks the own things.

558
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 10: I understand a lot more of it.

559
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: Right.

560
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 7: But have you been following the Tory Lanez case? Right?

561
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 4: I have?

562
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 10: Okay, So Lauren just reported something basically like he's asking

563
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 10: for his team. It's asking for evidence to be re

564
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 10: invented and resubmitted.

565
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: Right.

566
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 10: Do you feel like, just with your expertise, right, that

567
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 10: is smart or could it be something there? Or is

568
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 10: they already just beating a dead horse at this point?

569
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: No, you have to exhaust every avenue you possibly can.

570
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 5: And even though people think that the conviction is the

571
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 5: end of the story until you get home, really you're

572
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 5: fighting from the time or cricket to the time that

573
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: you actually get out, because you really want everything to

574
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 5: be analyzed. You want to suggest that the prosecution knew

575
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 5: something and didn't tell you, right. You wanted just that

576
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 5: that the cop was a dirty cop, that there was

577
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 5: evidence it didn't come in, that the jury should have

578
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 5: heard this, they didn't hear it. That's important because all

579
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 5: of those things and all those arguments you make when

580
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 5: you're in a trial, you're objecting to, all those things

581
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: there really become placeholders. You object because on a pe

582
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 5: if you didn't, you can't raise them every again, and

583
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 5: then it becomes the end of the road for that defended.

584
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 4: So he needs to try to submit whatever he can

585
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 4: for his own ability.

586
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 5: To try to get out of prison. They'd mean it's successful.

587
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 5: And judges and the peal courts always know, they know, Okay,

588
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 5: you're gonna tell me that this piece of evidence should

589
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: have come in but didn't, or this evidence was heard

590
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: hearsay wise was allowed in. They shouldn't have been there,

591
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 5: And they get almost like callous to people and their

592
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 5: arguments that they make. And that's why you think about

593
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 5: the lifetime araditions people have as judges. Sometimes it can

594
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 5: be a good or a bad thing, because they're so

595
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 5: they've heard it all right, you've heard imagine having a

596
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 5: teenager and they're like, oh, nothing, I didn't. They have

597
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 5: that look at the in the face of the yeah,

598
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 5: you're right right, and you're like, really, I haven't been

599
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 5: a tenanger before.

600
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: I haven't.

601
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 5: Like my son's like, I need to close the door

602
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 5: in my Bedroomok. Really I haven't been twelve before.

603
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: Keeps her open.

604
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 5: No, what do you mean he thinks he's slick on something? No,

605
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: I know what's going to happen, or I think I know,

606
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 5: so I haven't. I think yes, damn mom.

607
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 9: My son.

608
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 5: And I tease girls in the Oh, I'm not that mom.

609
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: They would never be a girl in the room in

610
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 5: my house. No, no, this is my daughter or grandma.

611
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 5: Absolutely not, no, no, no. But you think that they

612
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: know full well they think they're being slick, and a

613
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 5: lot of judges have that mentality of oh that's cute.

614
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 4: Oh really is that what happened? Or are you just guilty?

615
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 5: And so he has to exhaust everything for his own

616
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 5: really legal peace of mind, But it doesn't mean there's

617
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: anything there.

618
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're sitting down for ten years trying every time.

619
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 5: You know, I get a lot of prison mail and

620
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 5: a lot of conversations people who really they they hear

621
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 5: they fall the news and they hear about you know,

622
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: this prosecutor getting fired or this cop having this case,

623
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 5: and they go, that was my person.

624
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: What does that mean for me? And the reality is

625
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 4: it could mean nothing, but it could mean them.

626
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: I want to ask one more Diddy question, of course,

627
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: I want to ask one question. You know, we see

628
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: his attorneys come out, and to me, it doesn't seem

629
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: like they're doing a good job when they're talking about

630
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: did he wants to come out and do Madison Square

631
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: Garden again?

632
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: Just talking too much? Do you feel that way as well?

633
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 5: Try shutting up a lawyer. That's that's number one, right,

634
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 5: and and that's that's part of it. But I think

635
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: they want the impression that this is such a minor

636
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: offense that he should be able to do that.

637
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: Right.

638
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: You wouldn't for a murder suspect. You wouldn't be like, oh, well,

639
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 5: you know, when he gets out, let's do.

640
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: Meadowlands right now. You wouldn't do that.

641
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: But you're talking about someone like Diddy who their counsel

642
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 5: wants to project the image that this is so minor,

643
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 5: come on and come on that they want that to

644
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 5: be heard by the course, you would you would think

645
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: they would do that after. But remember they're building their case,

646
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 5: and they know a public case of this stature is

647
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 5: very different than their regular riga moreau very different. The

648
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 5: choices that are probably made, they amount of eyes on it,

649
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 5: the celebrity factor, people think, oh, they'll get a sweetheart

650
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 5: deal because they're celebrity. Oftentimes, I mean, you've got more

651
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 5: heat on the prosecutors and the defense to do this

652
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 5: case a certain way because they don't want the impression

653
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: that they are giving anyone to pass. And the defense team,

654
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 5: remember they have other cases. They've got the Luigi Mangioni

655
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 5: case right coming up. They know full well they've got

656
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 5: a jury pool that's going to be hearing from them

657
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: in New York where they're gonna want the impression that

658
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: they are advocates and zealous advocates throughout the duration of

659
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 5: any case. And they want the impression. But no big deal.

660
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 10: What he said about when he just asked you about

661
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 10: did these lawyers, Yeah, does one just say that or

662
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 10: do you get could they be.

663
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 7: Getting that from their client?

664
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Speaker 4: It could be lawyers just go.

665
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Speaker 10: And say things on their client's behalf like that without

666
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 10: even checking with.

667
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 5: Them or I My impression is that nothing is just

668
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 5: said without Diddy's involvement, right, and that's a good thing.

669
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: You want his buy in. I don't know that he

670
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: has agreed to that statement, but you want your clients

671
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: buy in because you need to instruct them not to

672
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 5: be their own worst enemy.

673
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Speaker 4: And there has to be a collaboration about that.

674
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Speaker 5: You know, you have a lawyer to be your advocate,

675
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 5: not to be your echo, because your echo gets you

676
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 5: in trouble. It's had what you said, but your advocate

677
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: is helping you to spend what you have just said

678
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 5: so that you're not going to hurt yourself in the end.

679
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 5: And so, on the one hand, his lawyer saying it

680
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 5: means digging, but I ain't say that, your honor. I

681
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: take it seriously. I'm in the class. I'm doing the

682
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: work that's them. The other hand, if he buys it,

683
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: I'd like to move a out my life. As my

684
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 5: attorneys have said.

685
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Speaker 4: So it gives you enough cover. Language, It gives you language.

686
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: It gives you cover, and that's your job of your

687
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: lawyer because there's a myth that defense words. You're like,

688
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: they approach it and go, I'll only do this if

689
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: you tell me did you do it?

690
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: You really do it?

691
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 5: Because my conscience tells me this and reality they're like, okay,

692
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: here's a charge.

693
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: Don't tell me, but can I prove it?

694
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 5: What might there be out there that I don't know

695
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 5: about that proves what they said? It's a different conversation,

696
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 5: and that's how they're advocating, you know what I mean?

697
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 7: See, I learned that from powers.

698
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: You like being a moderator or an anchor more?

699
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: And the reason I ask is because sometimes you have

700
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 6: people on and you're way more interested.

701
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Than people that's your host. So what do you like more? Moderating?

702
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: Thank you for saying sometimes, you know, I like. Then

703
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: you have to be both. I mean I an effective moderator.

704
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: Is the anchor. It keeps people there.

705
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: The job is not just to be like you know,

706
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 5: vanilla and now you talk no opinion? Okay, right now

707
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 5: you talk. I can't say anything. Okay, here's my muscle again.

708
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 5: The point of an anchor, in my book is to

709
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 5: make sure that the conversation goes in the direction it

710
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 5: stops where the people want to hear it right. Other

711
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 5: shows can float all around and do whatever they want

712
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: to do. But I am an anchor that ground the

713
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: conversation and what the people want to hear and what

714
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 5: they actually care about. By the time you et eleven

715
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: o'clock at night, you all have heard everything. You probably

716
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: haven't you've chewed over so you've maybe you heard about it,

717
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 5: maybe you didn't. You have an opinion on something, so

718
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: now you have the why. Now you've got the real

719
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 5: why questions that come out, And that's where I think

720
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Speaker 5: an effective moderator and anchor comes in. But it is hard.

721
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 5: Sometimes I tell you, I assume I have blood in

722
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Speaker 5: my mouth. Some days I'm biting my tongue because I'm like, well,

723
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: that didn't make any sense what you just said, and

724
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 5: I'll say that, but I have to be diplomatic right.

725
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 5: Other times you have to get people's opinions in, even

726
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: when I believe they're the wrong opinion because they're based

727
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 5: on misinformation.

728
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Speaker 4: And so that that's where my anchor comes down. Anchor

729
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 4: comes down again. Stop, let's not.

730
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 5: Move past this, because people hear it and write it.

731
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 5: People hear it, they believe it, they see it, they

732
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Speaker 5: trust it. No one contradicts it.

733
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Speaker 4: It's fact. So I've got it at every level. Stop

734
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 4: it from happening. It's hard, Oh yeah, it's hard.

735
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Speaker 8: What was your journey like when you first decided to

736
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 8: get onto TV? Like you would just pop in sometimes

737
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 8: and kind of be like a legal analysmah, because you're

738
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 8: so in tune with like pop culture and like you

739
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 8: understand what's happening. You're on social media, and a lot

740
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 8: of times the older networks or older anchors, they don't.

741
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 9: Like to accept that at all. So was your journey

742
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 9: welcoming when you came in? Or were you.

743
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: What's my journey?

744
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: Is it welcoming now to me? Let me think about that? Well, well,

745
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: I didn't come at this like most people did. So

746
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: when I left the DJ, I didn't really have a

747
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 5: plan to go into television. It wasn't like I was

748
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: thinking my whole life, I want to be on television.

749
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: If anything. I thought I would.

750
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: Do scripted TV I wanted. I didn't stage acting. I

751
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 5: thought maybe I'll do theater as part of my that'd

752
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 5: be fun to do. I wanted to follow my passions.

753
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 5: But then my husband came home one day after I

754
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 5: had my first and second child, and he came home

755
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 5: one day. They're back to back and he was putting

756
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: a camera on the car and he calls me out

757
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 5: to tell me there's this camera.

758
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: I go, I don't need this. What is this? I

759
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: need a camera?

760
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Speaker 9: What is this?

761
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 4: What's going on?

762
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 5: And it was the same year of Brown Trayvon Martin

763
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Speaker 5: and Sandy Hook frankly happened that year. And I said,

764
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 5: what is this? And my husband's from the Bronx, right,

765
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: and so people in America come from the Bronx and

766
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 5: floor and sexius. And he he's very stoic, not emotional,

767
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 5: like I'm the hurricane, and he's like the grounding forest

768
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: and he had tears in his eyes and he's like,

769
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: maybe it's not it's not really for you, it's it's

770
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: also for me because if I'm ever stopped by police,

771
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Speaker 5: I want.

772
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Speaker 4: You to know what really happened.

773
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Speaker 9: Wow.

774
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Speaker 5: And I mean I was a prosecutor then, and I

775
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 5: was the one he was asking questions of about can

776
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 5: they do this and can they do that? And I

777
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 5: thought I was giving answers that not only made sense

778
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: but emotionally resonated, like Okay, I can accept that. But

779
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 5: it turns out In that moment, it was very clear

780
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 5: that it didn't because there was an inevitability in his mind.

781
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 4: This is his demise.

782
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 5: And I thought, I'm maybe an exception to the rule

783
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 5: for him, but it won't save his life. Yeah, And

784
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: so I remember that day thinking I need to make

785
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 5: a change because I have this muzzle on in DOJ

786
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 5: as a prosecutor. You can't speak to the press, you

787
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 5: can't inform people, you can't do that and stuff. And selfishly,

788
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 5: between him and my baby boy who's the oldest, and

789
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 5: then my daughter, I thought, selfishly, I love them so much.

790
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: I have to say to their lives.

791
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: And the only way I knew how was to use

792
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 5: my mind as a weapon and as a tool. And

793
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 5: again three half like my stature wasn't going to do it,

794
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 5: but a platform could. And so I didn't have a

795
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: plan then to pick up and leave one day, and

796
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 5: I made it come dramatic. I made it MLK day

797
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 5: so I can say free at last. I left the building.

798
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 5: People laughed at me. They said, my just said not

799
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 5: fifteenth and my laugh. You know, when you come back,

800
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 5: could you write your review in advance? I don't have

801
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 5: to do when you come back, And I thought there

802
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: was kind of a taunting. I just couldn't do it.

803
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 5: And I remember having nothing like I had, you know,

804
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 5: I had my mind, I had my husband.

805
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: I had a dream. I didn't know how to form it.

806
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: I had a Panera bread, thank you, m.

807
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 5: Okay, I had had my top, I had a I

808
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 5: had a Panera bread in my neighborhood. And I literally

809
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 5: had put a business card into a firehouse subs like

810
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 5: wind subs for a year bucket and I won the

811
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: year of Firehouse Subs.

812
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Speaker 1: Okay you not?

813
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 5: And that was like I was nursing my daughter still.

814
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: My son was only about a year or so. There

815
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 5: were eighteen months of parts the Liberal over a year,

816
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: and I remember like posting up in a pin air

817
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 5: bread saying myself, how do I do? How do I

818
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 5: go from I want to speak truth to power by

819
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: telling people the truth is? How do I do that?

820
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 5: I don't know anyone in media, I don't know anything

821
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: about it.

822
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: What can I do?

823
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 5: And I just sat there day in day out, writing

824
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 5: and trying to get my op eds written?

825
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: Going on radio. I was on Serious XM.

826
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 5: Karen Hunter helped me out and she put me on

827
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 5: to do like commentary I didn't know anything.

828
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Speaker 4: My daughter.

829
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Speaker 5: One of my first episodes with them, my daughter was

830
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 5: nursing cause I didn't have daycare with I didn't I

831
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 5: couldn't leave, and you know, as a woman, I wasn't comfortable.

832
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 4: You know, I trusted my husband. I believe in him.

833
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 4: I couldn't just leave the baby. I leave the babies

834
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: or mean, I couldn't.

835
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 5: No, I couldn't just say you take care of all

836
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 5: the finances and I'll figure this out. I had to

837
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 5: do something, and so I remember having my kids with

838
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 5: me at one point and just figuring it out. But

839
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: that turned into television and doing hits and then being

840
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 5: then consistently never slipping, consistently being authentic in the information,

841
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: being truthful, having the wit, having the charisma, being able to,

842
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: you know.

843
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 4: Slap down the disrespect, which often happened.

844
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 5: People would sort of do the pat you on the head,

845
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: and I look young, and this is ten years later,

846
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 5: I looked even younger, and people want you want to

847
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 5: make you feel as though you don't know as much

848
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: as they do because you saw the Watergate movie and

849
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 5: they lived through the Watergate era, and you're like, you

850
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 5: know what I mean, but now I'm like, well, I

851
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 5: remember saying one person, I said, well, I get that,

852
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: but neither of us was here for the Constitution.

853
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 4: And so what's your point, right?

854
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 5: But having to do that on air, having to make

855
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 5: in that moment be your own champion and just do

856
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 5: what I tried to do for other people for myself.

857
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 5: But that was a that was a ten year and

858
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 5: it's still on going to this day.

859
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 4: To this day, I.

860
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: Have to figuratively put on a coat's jersey before I

861
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 5: walk into my own studio because there are people who

862
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 5: will every day try to you think getting to the top.

863
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 5: If I'm there or not, I don't know, but getting

864
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 5: to a a top is hard. Try staying there, and

865
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 5: so I just go back. I sign every new deal

866
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 5: I ever do, whenever I have a book deal, whatever

867
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 5: I'm doing, I make them sign it in Panera.

868
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there look and going I.

869
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 5: Remember with my daughter nursing, not knowing what the hell

870
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: I was doing, and I get a firehouse hub the

871
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 5: engineer turkey with mushrooms and some Swiss cheese because it

872
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 5: was free for a year, which could might explain sometimes

873
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 5: with the waistline, but whatever, and that's how I remember,

874
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 5: and keep grounded because I hope I will never be

875
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: the person who's more comfortable in the upper echelons than

876
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 5: why looking through my own neighborhood, I got so many questions,

877
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 5: but about can just in general, like.

878
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 6: Look because as I'm hearing you talking and I'm hearing things,

879
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: it's coming to me. Lauren said something and you talking

880
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 6: about being welcomed, and I thought about that.

881
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, there are a lot of clicks.

882
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 6: It seems like in this media space, you know, and

883
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 6: it's like you have groups of women that are in

884
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 6: news and sports there then they all hang out and

885
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 6: then you see groups women over here.

886
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: I will never see you with them clicks.

887
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 5: I'm a mommy, Yeah, well that well they they mommy

888
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 5: differently than I'm mommy. I And I'm okay with the

889
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 5: way that I'm social. I'm on my own terms and

890
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 5: I really am somebody who values like I. I I

891
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: love my remember whens. If you can't look at me

892
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 5: and have remember when moment, you're not going to be

893
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: part of my everyday crew right like it. And because

894
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: I think so many people, especially in this industry, they

895
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 5: want to post their life. I want to live my

896
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 5: life and with my children in particular. I'm sensitive, right,

897
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: so I can't guarantee you that I'm not going to

898
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 5: come find you if you post a bad comment of

899
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 5: my child. And but I have a mortgage, so I

900
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 5: can't do that for a stuff, right, I can't be

901
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 5: that scrappy. So I'm sensitive about preserving like my peace

902
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: by keeping my life private.

903
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 4: But on the other hand, it's part of the job.

904
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 5: It's part of and I wrestle with this every single

905
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 5: day because I'm at as many events as probably anyone else.

906
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: I see them as any people.

907
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 5: I don't just I don't post it, and that can

908
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 5: be a problem for people they think, oh well, and

909
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 5: that translates to something. But I have to and I'm

910
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 5: not always the most I mean, I'm bury out going,

911
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 5: but I love my circle and my life and they

912
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 5: are full of remember whens, and I love that. But

913
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 5: the clicks, they're real, and the clicks, I think can

914
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: sometime and you know, I'm cool with everybody. Not It

915
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that I'm not cool with them, but the

916
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 5: clicks can sometimes operate to make you think that where

917
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: you are is the top, and they want you to

918
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 5: compare and think, well, if you're not doing what you're doing,

919
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 5: then you're doing nothing. And in my mind, I let

920
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 5: you climb. Your peak is not my peak. Climb, but

921
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 5: just don't step on me on the way, because then

922
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: you will be talked to about it. I'm not I'm

923
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 5: nice and I'm friendly, and I have a you know,

924
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: I'll speak and everyone, and I'm always going to be

925
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 5: very especially among my peer group, very respectful until and.

926
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 6: I think a lot of those cliques have forgotten those

927
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 6: neighborhoods you still want to remember.

928
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't. I mean, look, I'm not. I don't pretend

929
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: to be anything I'm not.

930
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 5: I'm I grew up in Minnesota, So what I look

931
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 5: like acting like I didn't right or you know, I

932
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: went to Princeton. So I'm not gonna pretend that I'm

933
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 5: something I'm not. I'm not gonna you know, I grew up,

934
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: I'm a youngest girl. We're all lawyers. My three sis,

935
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 5: two sisters, all lawyers. Like I'm not going to pretend

936
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: that we have not climbed as well. But I'm also

937
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 5: the daughter of a man whorew up in Foster Care.

938
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm a daughter of you know, my

939
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: mom's parents left North Carolina to go to Stanford, Connecticut

940
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: to work in the homes of people who become my

941
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 5: clients when I was a lawyer. Right, I know where

942
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 5: I come from. I'm a black woman in America, African

943
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 5: American in this country, and so when I see people

944
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 5: trying to make you think that you're only phenomenal if

945
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 5: you are the exception to your race, I'm not having it,

946
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 5: and I don't want to be involved in it. But

947
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 5: I do tell you that the cliques can make you

948
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 5: sometimes you feel little. I mean, this is a very

949
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: lonely field, you know. There are times when I ought

950
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 5: that I absolutely feel very lonely because I don't see.

951
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: What I give out return to me. But I also

952
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: feel like.

953
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 5: Everyone in the end will will have to reckon with

954
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 5: whatever their own demons are, and I'm not the person

955
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 5: to point them out every single day. But it's lonely sometimes.

956
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 5: That's why I turned to my family a lot, and

957
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 5: I remember whens and I am very discerning about who

958
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 5: I let into my private thoughts because there are so

959
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 5: many people who will take that just enough to try

960
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: to turn it against you, and I'm just not that interested.

961
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 5: I didn't come into it because I wanted to be famous.

962
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 5: I didn't come because I wanted to wear makeup. I

963
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 5: already wore makeup. I was already cute as hell, I

964
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: already dressed well. You know, I already took care of myself.

965
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 4: I already, you know, had the shine that I wanted

966
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 4: in my career. I was.

967
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 5: I was very proud of what I was doing. I

968
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 5: came into it because it was a love letter to

969
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 5: my family. So I'm not gonna rip it up just

970
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 5: to have a follower.

971
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: I want to go back to that because you said something.

972
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 6: I don't know why my brain thought of this, but

973
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 6: you talked about your husband putting the cameras in the car. Yeah,

974
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 6: and you're a federal you're a prosecutor. It made me

975
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 6: think of Queen and Slim. That's the thing that frustrat

976
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 6: be about that movie. I'm sorry, Lena, I gotta get this.

977
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 6: You are a prosecutor. If you was in that situation

978
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 6: the cops shotted you and your man, as a prosecutor,

979
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 6: would your mind say I'm going on the run.

980
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 4: I would not run. But I don't.

981
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily have the same relationship in actually with

982
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 5: the police that they did.

983
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I don't.

984
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 5: I don't always have the same fears. I have a

985
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 5: very different take. Not that I trust police officers inherently,

986
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 5: but I don't distrust them inherently, And so I would

987
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 5: I would think I could fight That's I would that

988
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 5: I could fight it. Now, would everyone that they could

989
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 5: fight it with a sixteen year old version, that I

990
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 5: could fight it with a sixty year old version, that

991
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 5: I could fight it.

992
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I would.

993
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: Try to fight because then the movie she was a lawyer.

994
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: But why not fight?

995
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: That's what I thought.

996
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: No, but that's a movie. I don't I don't know.

997
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: I don't know.

998
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 6: I wondered about that it could be real.

999
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 7: Like it could be a real life situation. Now what

1000
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 7: never bred you.

1001
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 5: Panera bread would have nurse that arm scone all day

1002
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 5: on the run, on the run. But you know, but

1003
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 5: that's best thing. Every you know, every year I feel different.

1004
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: I know, my No, I still love it. I still

1005
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 4: love it.

1006
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 9: I still love it.

1007
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: But every year, every year, one day i'mna, how you

1008
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 4: come in not own all Panera breads? That's the end

1009
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: of the story.

1010
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 5: Amazing, But like I you know, one day, I mean,

1011
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: I think You're just different who you would be and

1012
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: what you have and what you what Your optimism level

1013
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 5: dictates what you're willing to fight for. Like I I'm

1014
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: still on the optimistic range where I'm like.

1015
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: I can make because she'll call me and check me

1016
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: into absolutely I do.

1017
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 6: I want to ask this to you were a federal

1018
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 6: prosecutor in the Civil Rights Division of the US Department

1019
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 6: of Justice during the Bush and Obama. What I wanted

1020
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 6: to ask you is, you know, we hear people say

1021
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 6: things like Donald Trump is taking us back. He's you know,

1022
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 6: all these executive voters have repealed these rights and he's

1023
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 6: taking us back to this time. People have come up

1024
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 6: here and asking what year we think we live in.

1025
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 6: I'm like, we're in twenty twenty five. But I want

1026
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 6: to ask you, simply to the people that are listening,

1027
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 6: what rights are being stripped away from us right now?

1028
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 5: Number one voting? Okay, voting. It's almost like you think

1029
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 5: about your health. If your health fails, nothing else matters.

1030
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 5: You know, if voting goes away, almost nothing else you

1031
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 5: want to argue about is important enough to conteract that,

1032
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 5: because if you don't have a say, then you cannot

1033
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 5: speak Later in a way that's actually going to fall

1034
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 5: in the right ears and voting does that. And so

1035
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 5: the rolling back of rights. When I was in the

1036
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 5: civil rights vision of the voting section, we still had

1037
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 5: section five, which is the formula you use to determine

1038
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 5: whether in the area of the country that traditionally violated

1039
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 5: civil rights laws or had skewed voting rights and laws

1040
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: that impacted black people.

1041
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 4: Period.

1042
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 5: There's a formula you'd use to figure out how you

1043
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 5: whether that person that jury and was qualified to have

1044
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 5: to ask for permission for any change they wanted to make.

1045
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 4: When I was here, that was still there. That's gone.

1046
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 5: The formula's gone because Supreme Court said it's outdated. You know,

1047
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 5: we're in a sort of a post racial world. We've

1048
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 5: had a black president now, so the same rules won't apply.

1049
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 5: So therefore Congress, think of a new formula. And while

1050
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: you take your sweet time and then goes astray. Well,

1051
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: that was the entryway point of why everything else is

1052
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 5: starting to fail in terms of the Section two, which

1053
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 5: is the race based and jerry mandering aspects of it.

1054
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 5: So that's the number one thing that people are rolling

1055
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 5: back the voting Number two. Don't sleep on the Fourth Amendment,

1056
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 5: reasonable search and caesars and stops. You know, anytime you

1057
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 5: hear about a police brutality case of a driver or

1058
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 5: someone in their home wherever it is talking about the

1059
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 5: fourth of thement, what right the officer has to stop you,

1060
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 5: question you, touch you, arrest you, all those things.

1061
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: The more power you give.

1062
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 5: Officers without having to stantiate that power based on probable

1063
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 5: cause or the constitution, the more you live in a

1064
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 5: place where that goes away. So for example, with the

1065
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: National Guard or the FBI as president in Washington, d C.

1066
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 5: Where I am, the question is not just whether they're

1067
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 5: supposed to be there because it's an emergency quote unquote,

1068
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: but whether they're gonna abide by the same principles under

1069
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 5: the Fourth Amendment.

1070
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 4: The standard right.

1071
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 5: Now is it's only unreasonable if a reasonable officer would

1072
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 5: feel it's unreasonable, not whether you think it's reasonable, not

1073
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 5: whether you or you or you, whether a reasonable officer

1074
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 5: would think so, which incentivizes people to say, well, I'm

1075
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 5: not going to call out my fellow officer because it

1076
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 5: could connect to haunt me. So I'm gonna have sort

1077
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 5: of a yeah, it's reasonable, kick him in the head.

1078
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 5: I mean I can see why that could happen shot

1079
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 5: him accidentally. Oh well, you know, I could see what

1080
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 5: that would happen, and they become the reasonable standard.

1081
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: So that's what the cops know. There's already that issue.

1082
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: Now you add the National Guard, you add in the FBI,

1083
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 5: who they don't do average traffic stops.

1084
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: They don't even equip they're.

1085
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 5: Not but also not necessarily used to adhering to the

1086
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 5: same standards because the nature of their work is so

1087
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: much more of an emergency that they have to be

1088
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 5: a little bit more aggressive at times.

1089
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: They say.

1090
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 6: So.

1091
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 5: Now, trying to balance all that out means that the

1092
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 5: more accepted it becomes that law enforcements has power, the

1093
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 5: less you have to say, wait, I have my rights,

1094
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 5: you can't do that to me, more becomes laughed at.

1095
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 5: So I think those are two areas to me that

1096
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Speaker 5: are the most problematic.

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Speaker 4: There are others voting them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we appreciate you for joining.

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Speaker 1: One final question.

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Speaker 7: Oh and okay, grow up.

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Speaker 1: Nobody said that.

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Speaker 8: Now I'm curious I got the two Well one question

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00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 8: I could put in one. When you didn't get jeopardy right,

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00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 8: you kept your response to how you felt very diplomatic,

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00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 8: but a lot of people feel like you weren't in

1106
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 8: the thought even though he said you should be because

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00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 8: you were a black woman. Did you feel like it

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00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 8: was a race thing of the reason why you weren't

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Speaker 8: even considered as like in the guest hosting slat or

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Speaker 8: just called in even tryout.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was bullshit that I wasn't asked to

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Speaker 5: try out. I thought it was something that was the

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Speaker 5: masch nations behind the scenes where people decide who their

1114
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 5: heroes and celebrities ought to be and merit didn't matter.

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Speaker 5: And that's how I honestly feel about it.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, I mean, so.

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Speaker 5: Whether it was a race I don't even I don't

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00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 5: know if as much as it was a race thing

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00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: as much as it wasn't a youth thing. Now who

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Speaker 5: I am is a black woman, so if it's me,

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00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 5: then it was that. But I was always very resentful

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00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 5: of it, and I still am because I think it'd

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00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 5: be much easier to have a job where the answers

1124
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 5: are already in front of me, like on Jeopardy anything else.

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Speaker 5: But as I see, they say, everyone's journey is their journey.

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00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 5: For me, I was honored that he was specific. He

1127
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 5: was kind when I reached out to thank him. I

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00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 5: was grateful to have a chance to get to know

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Speaker 5: him a little bit during that, but it wasn't his call.

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00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 5: But here's what that told me, and the lesson I

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00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 5: never forget the fact that it wasn't Alex Trebek's call.

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Speaker 4: Who replace him?

1133
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 5: Told me, I have to examine power differently, right, And

1134
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 5: I had to examine who really is in control very

1135
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 5: differently and in what In many ways, I'm happy that

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00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 5: it happened because I approached all my negotiations and business

1137
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 5: dealings that if my name's on something, it.

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00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 4: Belongs to me, and that includes the agency to do

1139
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 4: with it what I want.

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00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 5: And if I had gotten it just because someone's, oh,

1141
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 5: I think it'd be her, it's great be her, I

1142
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: might not have approached.

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00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 4: The same way. And but I still think it's I

1144
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: think it's ridiculous.

1145
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Speaker 1: But I died.

1146
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 5: But he did die before he passed that along before

1147
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 5: he passed, he asked what he who he'd want to

1148
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 5: replace him, and he said he passed away from pankrant

1149
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 5: cancer sadly, which is just that my grandmother had the

1150
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 5: same thing, and it was just so, it's what a

1151
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 5: horrible disease and cruel, but I was honored to even

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00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 5: be mentioned in it.

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Speaker 4: But I still feel some kind.

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00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 7: Of way about it.

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00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 8: Before he died, said that she's one of the people

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00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 8: that should be considered, but he never even got to

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Speaker 8: see her be considered.

1158
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 4: But I was told.

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00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 5: I was told when I would when I had, when

1160
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 5: I spoke to I'm telling too much information. When I

1161
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 5: did try to fight for it, they said, well, maybe

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Speaker 5: a particular person who the name I came recall, he's

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Speaker 5: that irrelevant to me now.

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Speaker 4: I can't I care his name.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember I care.

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Speaker 4: For his name.

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Speaker 5: But he was like, but you know what, if you ever,

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00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 5: you can be my assistant on a podcast, you know,

1169
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 5: to research on a podc I fel like, I'll be

1170
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 5: your assistant to research on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Who do you think you're talking to?

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Speaker 9: Not me?

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Speaker 1: What game showed it that with to you?

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Speaker 5: Hope that he I hadn't he he watched me on

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Speaker 5: CNN wow Wow.

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Speaker 4: And he also I did radio.

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Speaker 5: I did serious XM for a long time, and so

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00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 5: he would he was a radio guy himself when he

1179
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 5: started started out, and so he said that he respected

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Speaker 5: the work that I did and and the mind.

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Speaker 4: And thought it would be a beautiful match. Wow, that

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Speaker 4: was really cool, really cool.

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Speaker 8: And my last question I was did that help in

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Speaker 8: how you navigated because people started having a conversation about

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00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 8: you and Kitlyn Collins when people felt like you were

1186
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Speaker 8: shorted in that situation with getting a full time anchor roll.

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Speaker 5: Well, I had the anchor roll. You mean I didn't

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00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 5: have the nine o'clock hours. You mean, okay, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think people have a tendency to always ask, you know,

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 5: and why her and not this person, and they assume

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Speaker 5: that that there is beef.

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Speaker 4: But I I really I believe that I am.

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 5: I'm where I'm supposed to be in this moment, and

1194
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 5: let everyone climb the way they want to climb. Let

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00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 5: people enjoy the fruits of their labor, because I enjoy mine.

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00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: But the work is so far from being done.

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00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 5: So I think you know, where I am and where

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Speaker 5: I'll end up are two different.

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Speaker 1: Things by far.

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Speaker 6: When the strongest line up on cable, dudes, I mean

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00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 6: I can literally go from Andazon Cooper, Anderson Cooper to

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00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 6: Abby and then you like, yeah, that's by far the

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 6: strongest linele.

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Speaker 4: Well, we appreciate that.

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00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 5: I mean we're we I know, at CNN are very

1206
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 5: grateful for the audience because you know, trust issues can

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 5: change people, right, And also there is the emergency and

1208
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 5: you said not even negative CNN, but there's the emergence

1209
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 5: of new media right there are I mean there is

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00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 5: we talk about this that you know, there is the

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Speaker 5: the old guard of legacy media, who some people think

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00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 5: is all that should be, and then there are people

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00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 5: who actually have it right. Who's up in that mindset

1214
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Speaker 5: of I want to access as many people as possible

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00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 5: where you are, and that needs being to say on

1216
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 5: the medium that you think it is. But I hope

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00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 5: that our audience conf used to grow and that people

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00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 5: appreciate every person on our line up for what they bring,

1219
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: because every single person contributes in a different and unique way,

1220
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 5: and the format of the show is unique and different

1221
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 5: in a way that helps people to find their truth

1222
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 5: seekers and that's important. And if you don't feel that way,

1223
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 5: then you should tell people let them.

1224
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 4: Let give people a chance to hear what you need

1225
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 4: and what you want.

1226
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 5: But I don't want to be like in an ivory

1227
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 5: tower or I'm like here's the way the news does.

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00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: I'm not stuffy, I'm not you know, I'm not trying

1229
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 5: to be Walter Cronkite. I don't want to be. I

1230
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 5: want to be Laura Coates, and I'm cool with that.

1231
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 5: But what I don't want to be is who you

1232
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 5: think Laura Coates ought to be. I am at the

1233
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 5: eleven o'clock hour. I hold it down as an anchor.

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00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 5: I'm strong willed about that, but I think there's always

1235
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 5: room for improvement.

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Speaker 6: My last question, you know you're a mother, your wife,

1237
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 6: you know, former prosecutor on CNN.

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00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: When do you have time to be this fun ratchet

1239
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: lord coach. I keep hearing about.

1240
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 6: Everybody, everybody that I know that hung out with you,

1241
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 6: and they see something else that's crazy.

1242
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 7: You got you up here to call.

1243
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: And they were like, yo, lower coach though.

1244
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 5: Right, I hope I'm the same person. But you haven't

1245
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 5: talking about the Constitution here. But I really mean, really,

1246
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 5: I make time for fun. I make time for for

1247
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 5: love and joy.

1248
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: Because the whole interview, but that's.

1249
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Speaker 4: What happen was.

1250
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Speaker 5: No, you know what, I got to be who I

1251
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 5: can be, and I want there to be a through line.

1252
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 5: You know, the best advice I ever got was from

1253
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: Steve Harvey, who said to me that, you know, Laura,

1254
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 5: I am the same person no matter where you see me, period,

1255
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Speaker 5: and I hope.

1256
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Speaker 4: That that's me.

1257
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 5: Just may be a little bit different outfit, different hair,

1258
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 5: different heel colored, different lipstick, different eyeliner, But I'm the

1259
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 5: same person.

1260
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 4: It's just that you know who else I may be.

1261
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 5: I would never want to try to be who I

1262
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 5: was not, But every circumstances not called for my wretchetness.

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00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 4: Some really do. And sometimes I'm like, oh, you think

1264
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: this is not let me tell my hold on one second.

1265
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 4: I'm not the one or the two.

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00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 10: You guys, there's things that we can thank you for.

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00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 6: I appreciate, appreciate that you said earlier you talked about

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 6: armchair attorney. Then I feel like we have a lot

1269
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 6: of those, a lot of those, And I don't know

1270
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 6: if people are becoming more legally literate, are getting worse

1271
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 6: than understanding the constitution and all right, so we need

1272
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 6: people like well.

1273
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 5: I appreciate that, and I'm honored to be here, and

1274
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 5: I respect you all so much.

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01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 4: Thank you for letting me come.

1276
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Laura Coates.

1277
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Speaker 1: It's the breakfast Club.

1278
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: Good morning.

1279
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 5: Every day a week ago.

1280
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: Click your ass up, the Breakfast Club. You don't Finish

1281
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: y'all done,