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Speaker 1: Tim Miller. Welcome back to Fast Politics. The funniest and

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Speaker 1: the most attractive.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Tim Miller, Oh, this is.

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Speaker 3: So much pressure now, you know I gotta be funny

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Speaker 3: and attractive. Yeah, well, I don't have to be attractive

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Speaker 3: on audio. People can imagine how attractive I look right now.

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Speaker 3: I was in Costa Rica last week. I get a

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Speaker 3: little tan to just picture that. Imagine we have a

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Speaker 3: few more muscles than I really have.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the sort of Republican party. So

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Speaker 1: this is an amazing moment in a strange way, because

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Speaker 1: you have, like the Koch Brothers last cycle, they did

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Speaker 1: not endorse a candidate in a general. They had five

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Speaker 1: people who were there preferred picks, all of whom were

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Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. So basically everyone bout Donald Trump. Try

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Speaker 1: and imagine with me the internal panic in the Coke

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Speaker 1: network as they decided they just had to endorse Nikki Haley.

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Speaker 1: I mean, talk me through what happened here, because it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there's some face saving happening. You know,

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Speaker 3: Charles Coke is not like Donald Trump, and so I

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Speaker 3: guess I want to just clear the decks with this.

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Speaker 3: It's better to oppose Donald Trump than to be for him.

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Speaker 3: So yes, kudos to you, Charles Coke. I'm not really

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Speaker 3: one to give kudos for those sorts of things that said.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't feel like a real effort to beat Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: You know, like you put out this memo from the

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Speaker 3: big donors and their strategists talking about how you're endorsing

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Speaker 3: Nicky Haley. And you know, I'm kind of like, well,

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Speaker 3: that wasn't really that helpful. Actually, Republican voters hate the

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Speaker 3: big donors, So did you need to make a big

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Speaker 3: announcement about it. Couldn't you have just started running ads

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Speaker 1: I'm not casting dispersions. Look, we are content makers. We

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Speaker 1: are not better than anything. Thank you, period paragraph no

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Speaker 3: We're at the bottom of the barrel as far as

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Speaker 1: We would have a union, but it would be too sad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So South Carolina blogger I follow posted a picture

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Speaker 3: Nikki Haley. It's a picture of Earth her arms crossed,

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Speaker 3: And then that's it. And I'm like, who thinks this

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Speaker 3: saying like instead of giving money to I don't know,

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Speaker 3: It's like like this matters, it's better than not, and

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Speaker 3: Mollie junk Fast, how many Republican senators, congressmen, and governors

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Speaker 3: active do you think have endorsed Nicki Haley's presidential campaign

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Speaker 3: And it's like, these are the people that are actual

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Speaker 3: This is the big Nikki momentum week, and so mate, whatever,

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Speaker 3: to put the Trump badge on your email, and.

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Speaker 1: If you get the Trump badge on your email, you'll

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Speaker 1: get more donations, right, I mean, it's like Ponzi scheme stuff.

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Speaker 1: The thing I was struck by was watching Nicki Haley

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Speaker 3: Yeah, give some broccoli.

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Speaker 3: Look, I used to be Republican. If we want to

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Speaker 3: He did well for himself.

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Speaker 1: By the way, people hate that.

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Speaker 3: Rich people hate that. Regular people hate that. Old people

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Speaker 1: It's so amazing because I know so many rich people

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, you have a plane, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Sorry, this is where like my communist tendencies and Mike

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Speaker 3: I You got me distracted? Talking about privatization of social security. Okay,

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Speaker 3: here we are. Here's the important thing in your observation,

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Speaker 3: do not like reforming our entitlements. They do not care

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Speaker 3: They have full throatdly rejected the agenda put forth by

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Speaker 3: issue to Trump Arrangement syndrome litness test, Like it would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I think that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to appeal to something that doesn't exist. So basically,

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Speaker 1: what you think how this plays out? And again, we're

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Speaker 3: It is a last ditch effort, and she is a

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Speaker 3: more appealing candidate than DeSantis, just just candidate skills wise,

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Speaker 3: putting aside policy elements. But yeah, it's just the math

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Speaker 3: is very like Trump is over fifty, right, And you

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Speaker 3: know I was doing this. I did this for the teens.

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Speaker 3: If you have any teens in your life. I have

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Speaker 3: a Snapchat show for teens. It's called not My Party.

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Speaker 1: I know what social media network is popular. When my

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Speaker 3: There you go, So don't go on if you're a parent.

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Speaker 3: But if you have a team in your life, dog's politics,

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Speaker 3: tell them to check out Not my Party. I did

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Speaker 3: the math for the teens this week, and it's like,

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Speaker 3: let's do the bowl case for Nicky.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's just like Christy gets out and endorses her, and

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Speaker 1: Against Congressman Eric Swahwow represents California's fourteenth district. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Congressman Eric.

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Speaker 4: Swah Wow, Molly, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's very exciting to have you. I've had you

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Speaker 5: Honestly, we're the firewall. In fact, we are the majority.

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Speaker 5: What are you talking about? The debt ceiling, the well

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Speaker 5: New Gingrich. He had very masterfully, if you will, in quotations,

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Speaker 5: used c span to his benefit to kind of create

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Speaker 5: theater around politics. And then had you know, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: who had been a decades long entertainer come into politics

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Speaker 5: and was had no interested in governing, you know, just

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Speaker 5: had mostly interested in ruling and showmanship. And so it's

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Speaker 5: not a surprise that someone like George Santos would say, well,

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Speaker 5: I could do that job. I could you know, completely

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Speaker 5: invent a character who would fit into, you know, the

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Speaker 5: circus that Donald Trump has brought to Washington. So this

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Speaker 5: just seems like the natural logical arc that started a

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Speaker 5: while back and then continue through Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. One of those things I

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Speaker 1: had the academic on the podcast earlier and we were

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Speaker 1: talking about the idea that the Republican Party has turned

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Speaker 1: against democracy, small the democracy. Do you think that's right?

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Speaker 1: And more importantly, I mean, you serve with these people.

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Speaker 1: They are kind of doing a show, right.

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Speaker 5: It's completely a show, and it's for the benefit of

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Speaker 5: you know, one very corrupt, very dangerous, very incompetent person

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Speaker 5: and Donald Trump, you know, he is the only you know,

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Speaker 5: conversion therapy that's ever worked for people that you know

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Speaker 5: buying the conversion therapy. They've been converted because so many

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Speaker 5: of them spoke out against Trump, including Speaker Johnson. And

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Speaker 5: to your question of like do they believe in democracy

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Speaker 5: or not, go back to the press conference that Speaker

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Speaker 5: Johnson had the night that he was elected by the

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Speaker 5: Republican Conference, and he's got the whole conference standing behind him,

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Speaker 5: and you know, he stands before a microphone apparently to

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Speaker 5: answer questions, and the first question is about Johnson being

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Speaker 5: the architect of effort to overturn the election, and he

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Speaker 5: just says no, and the whole conference just starts booing

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Speaker 5: and shaming the reporter in such a barbaric way as

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Speaker 5: if they don't have to answer, you know, to anyone anymore.

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Speaker 5: And so yes they are. They're anti democratic and then

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Speaker 5: they're anti freedom. We just released an AD and I'll

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Speaker 5: send it to you, but it's defining Johnson and it

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Speaker 5: uses that press conference. And in the ad we propose, like,

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Speaker 5: how would he have answered other questions that are important

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Speaker 5: to you, like on abortion, like on no fault divorces,

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Speaker 5: which he's opposed to.

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Speaker 1: No fault divorces were actually signed into law for the

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Speaker 1: first time by a little known Republican. It's called Ronald Reagan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, we have run this ad where we have

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Speaker 5: kind of a fictitious reporter asking questions about freedom, and

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Speaker 5: we keep going back to each answer with that mob,

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Speaker 5: you know behind Johnson, just booing them and shaming the

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Speaker 5: reporters because they are a party that's interesting interested in

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Speaker 5: ruling and taking away your freedoms, and then they have

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Speaker 5: no interest in governing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean just absolutely sort of spectacularly fucked up.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the House right now. The vote I

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Speaker 1: think will be tomorrow, right for the Santos vote.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so that should be tomorrow. Look, I think he's

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Speaker 5: a Gonner. It's shocking to me that it's taken so long.

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Speaker 5: I don't take a vote like this lightly, Molly, and

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Speaker 5: I get the take that, you know, we've only done

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Speaker 5: this for people who fought for the Confederacy and people

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Speaker 5: convicted of a felomy. Except with George Santo's he has

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Speaker 5: admitted to most of what he's been accused of. Now

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Speaker 5: there's criminal liability that he's facing, but as far as

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Speaker 5: defrauding the voters, he's copped to that, and then you

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Speaker 5: have this ethics report as well.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 5: I do believe that some Republicans are worried that if

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Speaker 5: they throw out Santos. There's a really really good question

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Speaker 5: as to why won't you throw out Trump? Because I mean,

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Speaker 5: Trump has more felony charges against him than Santos does.

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Speaker 5: He has admitted, you know, uh to was it Billy Bush.

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Speaker 5: You know that how he treats women and how he

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Speaker 5: views he can do that. So you've got multiple Santos

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Speaker 5: like or worse ad missions from Trump and so but

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Speaker 5: it just seems that, you know, the voters like Trump,

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Speaker 5: at least enough of them in the Republican Party that

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Speaker 5: he's gonna be the nominee, and Santos to them is

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Speaker 5: just kind of an embarrassment and he's a political liability.

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Speaker 1: It's also Santos is Republicans want to keep the House,

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Speaker 1: which seems unlikely. But for those five Republicans in swing

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Speaker 1: districts in New York, Santos is a tangible way to

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Speaker 1: show that they're not partisan, even though they obviously are.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and they're worried primarily about their own

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Speaker 5: job and being associated with Santos because they all campaigned

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Speaker 5: together to flip those New York seats and so that

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Speaker 5: this is really, you know, just survival. There's no I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't give them any medals of honor for what they're

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Speaker 5: doing here. And as I said, any good reporter should

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Speaker 5: follow up and say, okay, applying and projecting your logic

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Speaker 5: onto Trump, why have you endorsed Trump?

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Speaker 4: And it just doesn't add up.

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Speaker 1: As you're looking at all of this kind of drama

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Speaker 1: in the House, and then there's drama and the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Just back to this idea of Hakeem Jefferies as the

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Speaker 1: actual Speaker of the House, which I think is really relevant.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like Mike Johnson is not able to

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Speaker 1: pass a lot of this stuff. Like so he passed

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Speaker 1: his Continuing Resolution, which will kick all the spending problems

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Speaker 1: right the spending bills until January, but he can't pass

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Speaker 1: some of the underlying though, right talk to us about

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Speaker 1: where you guys are with that.

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Speaker 5: He did exactly what McCarthy did, and it cost McCarthy's job.

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Speaker 5: I think that's very telling though, that the Republicans never

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Speaker 5: trusted McCarthy and they always feared that he was always

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Speaker 5: just about himself, and he, you know, would do anything

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Speaker 5: to say in power and cut any of these deals

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Speaker 5: with Johnson.

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Speaker 4: They know that he is really one of them.

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Speaker 5: He is, you know, an extreme Maga Republican proudly calls himself,

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Speaker 5: you know, Mega Mike. And so he did the same

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Speaker 5: thing and suffered no penalty. And here we are, you know,

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Speaker 5: with fifty days away until another potential government shut down,

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Speaker 5: and he has said, Speaker Johnson that he's not going

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Speaker 5: to do another continuing resolution because again I think he

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Speaker 5: sees that he probably got a mull again for the

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Speaker 5: first one. But they are empowered, you know, the far

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Speaker 5: far right to just put another speaker in if he

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Speaker 5: does it again. And so we'll see. I've been in

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Speaker 5: convers for eleven years, have been through multiple.

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Speaker 2: Shutdowns longer than he has.

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Speaker 4: But Molly, we've.

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Speaker 5: Never had a shutdown in the last eleven years, with

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Speaker 5: multiple shutdowns in an election year, and that I think

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Speaker 5: is going to be really interesting to see if they

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Speaker 5: want to play with fire, because again Democrats will be united.

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Speaker 5: We just want to govern, We want to get shit done,

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Speaker 5: and we recognize we're in the minority, and so we're

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Speaker 5: a firewall to protect against cuts to the Inflation Reduction Act,

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Speaker 5: to the Jobs Act, to the Chips Act what they want,

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Speaker 5: and now the Affordable Care Act, which they want to

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Speaker 5: go after, but it would be playing with fire if

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Speaker 5: he's going to shut down the government rather than pass

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Speaker 5: a funding bill. And by the way, they cannot even

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Speaker 5: among themselves pass these different appropriations bills. They're just the failures.

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Speaker 5: They're not fit for governing. That's not what they came

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Speaker 5: here to do. They came here to entertain, and they're

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Speaker 5: finding that the governing part of the job is actually difficult.

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Speaker 1: There have been a lot of retirements this month.

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Speaker 4: Enough trying Eric, lots of me to retire.

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Speaker 1: There have been a lot of retirements in Congress. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you read. J mart had a really

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Speaker 1: good column on this, and he talked about how like

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were retiring. Are not the superstars

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Speaker 1: like you. They're the backbenchers who are quietly doing, you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of legislating, largely Republicans but some Democrats. Those

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Speaker 1: people do not get replaced by people who are the

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Speaker 1: same as them, right, talk to us about that phenomenon.

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Speaker 5: Most Republicans who retire will be replaced by someone much

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Speaker 5: farther to the right, who will likely run, as I said,

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Speaker 5: as a maga Republican slash you know, entertainer. And when

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Speaker 5: I came to Congress, I formed this bipartisan group called

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Speaker 5: United Solutions Caucus. It was the freshman Republican and Democratic

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Speaker 5: members in my class, about thirty members in it. We

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Speaker 5: knew we couldn't do big things, but we wanted to

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Speaker 5: focus on building trust and working on small pieces of legislation,

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Speaker 5: figuring one day we would all be, you know, in

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Speaker 5: leadership and we could do big things. Well, when Trump

587
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Speaker 5: came in, that group evaporated, in large part because many

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Speaker 5: of them on the Republican side lost their primaries and

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Speaker 5: so they were replaced by far right Republicans, and the

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Speaker 5: ones who were still around found that it was very

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Speaker 5: unpopular to say publicly that you were working with a Democrat.

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Speaker 5: And so again this has been kind of a long

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Speaker 5: time coming since Trump brought that Circus Act to town.

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Speaker 5: But for your viewer's sake, who I know, you know,

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Speaker 5: Democrats can be very anxious and pessimistic and of the

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Speaker 5: bed wedding lot, We're going to get through this, and

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Speaker 5: we should be the confident ones. And I would rather

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Speaker 5: be us than them, because Donald Trump, his best day

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Speaker 5: for himself and MAGA was on the election night in

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Speaker 5: November twenty sixteen, and he's lost almost everything since. So

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Speaker 5: we know how to do and so that the pathway

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Speaker 5: to is no different than what we've did in eighteen

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Speaker 5: or we did in twenty and twenty two, and we

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Speaker 5: recently did in Ohio and Virginia. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: want a flag e Moally, I know you're tracking this,

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Speaker 5: sing you post about it. In Florida, they are so

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Speaker 5: close Republicans, Democrats, independents to putting abortion rights on the ballot.

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Speaker 5: They're just inches away from having the voter signatures that

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Speaker 5: they need. That in November twenty twenty four on the

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Speaker 5: ballot in Florida could be the same abortion legislation that

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Speaker 5: was on the ballot in Ohio and Michigan and Kansas,

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Speaker 5: and that will protect an important right but also be

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Speaker 5: just a really galvanizing force put House seats into play

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Speaker 5: and send the Senate seat into play. And frankly, Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump's gonna have to defend Florida because women are not

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Speaker 5: going to want that right taken away in that state.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a Carl Rove playbook. That's a play from

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Speaker 1: the Karl Rove book of putting gay marriage on the

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Speaker 1: ticket two thousand and four in order to support Bush.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that's a really important thing when

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Speaker 1: you see the sort of like machinations of adding stuff

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Speaker 1: done in Congress. I mean, is there any way that

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Speaker 1: the numbers are so small for Johnson? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know he's much nicer to deal with, or what I've

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Speaker 1: heard from other members of Congress is much nicer to

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Speaker 1: deal with. Kevin people liked but was dishonest, but nobody

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Speaker 1: liked Jim Jordan and Mike Johnson is much more likable.

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Speaker 1: But do you think there's any world in which our

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Speaker 1: West wing fantasy occurs and he makes a deal with

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Speaker 1: Democrats or is it just the party is just too

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Speaker 1: far to the right.

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Speaker 2: Nice is never the problem, right right, Well except with

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I feel like people were just like, he's so mean,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to do this, yeah, right.

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Speaker 4: Right, I say, like, nice is not the problem with Johnson.

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Speaker 4: It's just what he believes. But he does not have

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Speaker 4: that much to do, if we're being honest.

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Speaker 5: He's got to keep the guvernment open and on the

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Speaker 5: needs for Ukraine and the Middle East and even the

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Speaker 5: border where I think Democrats are interested in helping there.

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Speaker 4: We have to have a funding package.

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Speaker 5: And I do predict though, if it's a bundle package

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Speaker 5: of Ukraine, Middle East and border, there will be more

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Speaker 5: Democrats voting for than Republicans. Again, and it's a matter

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Speaker 5: of will they tolerate that and let him stay on

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Speaker 5: a speaker. But after we do that, Molly, there's nothing

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Speaker 5: to do that. There's no peace of legislation Republicans that

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Speaker 5: the Senate would pass and the President would sign into laws,

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Speaker 5: so he doesn't really have to do that much. That's

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Speaker 5: why it's just so bewildering that, you know, we're in

652
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Speaker 5: this position where we could be in another shutdown because

653
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Speaker 5: he's actually got just a few things to do, and

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Speaker 5: then we're in the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Eric Swahlwell, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Molly.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Robert Garcia represents California's forty second district. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: too fast politics. Congressman Robert Garcia.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, happy to be back.

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Speaker 1: You're in your office. Tell us what you're about to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm about to go to the floor of the

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Speaker 2: House and make the case as to why we should

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Speaker 2: expel George Santos.

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Speaker 1: Walk us through what a privileged resolution is and how

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Speaker 1: this works.

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Speaker 2: Let me go a few months back and explain the process.

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Speaker 2: It's about nine months ago. George Santos hit my radar

668
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: early on, we're both freshman members, saw him at orientation,

669
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, immediately just got bad vibes, and then of

670
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: course all all the news about his just deceit and

671
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: lies started coming out. So, you know, I called for

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Speaker 2: his expulsion early on when we both got installed in Congress,

673
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: and was the first person to call for his expulsion

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Speaker 2: nine months ago. I made the decision then to put

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Speaker 2: forward an expulsion resolution against him. I reached out to

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Speaker 2: a couple of my colleagues, particularly another freshman, Dan Goldman

677
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Speaker 2: from New York, who within my class and I built

678
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: a relationship with, and you know, we put forward the

679
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: expulsion resolution, and by doing that, we essentially triggered a

680
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Speaker 2: vote of the House. The House put the expulsion resolution forward,

681
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 2: and at the time, while Democrats were felt really strongly

682
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: about moving forward, Republicans chose to punt and instead called

683
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Speaker 2: for this holpse Ethics a report that Kevin McCarthy was

684
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: trying to put together and so I know we that

685
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: went forward, and here we are nine months later and

686
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 2: the Ethics Canity report is out. It's incredibly damning, and

687
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: all those folks that were on board then should be

688
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: on board now and it's time to expel them and

689
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: he's got to go forward.

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Speaker 1: Republicans could have put up this resolution, right, they chose

691
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Speaker 1: not to.

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00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: Right, And so what actually happened, like procedurally, is when

693
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Speaker 2: the House opened this week, Republicans could have decided to

694
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Speaker 2: make the resolution privileged essentially means that it forces the

695
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Speaker 2: vote to happen in the next couple of days after

696
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Speaker 2: I had filed my expulsion resolution. They chose not to

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Speaker 2: do so, and so we did is we basically forced

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Speaker 2: them to file a privileged one themselves or they would

699
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: have had to vote it essentially my resolution. They want

700
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Speaker 2: to be the ones who actually claimed the vote, and

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00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: so for us, it was always strategies filu privileged resolution

702
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: because they hadn't. They keep wallowing and wailing about when

703
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: this is going to happen, So we force the vote,

704
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: then they have to file their own privilege resolution later

705
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Speaker 2: that evening, and now we're forced to have this vote,

706
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Speaker 2: which will happen tomorrow and will be debated. But we're

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Speaker 2: opening the debate on the vote today.

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Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't it have looked better for them if

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Speaker 1: they had done.

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Speaker 2: It one hundred percent? We don't know why. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the ethic is going to be cheerman. He actually filed

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00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: the resolution about a week ago, but did not make

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Speaker 2: it privileged. And so when you file a resolution and

714
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Speaker 2: you don't make it privileged, it's really up to the

715
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Speaker 2: speaker at that point to schedule that resolution at some point.

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Speaker 2: But we had no idea when this woul happened. They

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Speaker 2: could just stn't wall this. I mean, they've saved George

718
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: Santos now multiple times, why would they do it again?

719
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Speaker 2: So by us filing it as privileged, we are essentially

720
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Speaker 2: forcing the vote this week, and so it's a little

721
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Speaker 2: bit of insurance policy to make sure that they actually

722
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: did it this week. The report is out and this

723
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Speaker 2: guy is a con man of the Donald Trump order

724
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Speaker 2: and he must be renew immediately.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that part of why they don't want

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Speaker 1: to remove Santos is because they need the votes, or

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Speaker 1: do you think part of the reason they don't want

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Speaker 1: to remove Santos is because these Republicans really know that

729
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: if they start going out after people for doing crimes, right,

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Speaker 1: the leader of their party is facing ninety one criminal

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Speaker 1: and diamonds.

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Speaker 2: I think it's both things. I think that the Republican

733
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: Party is broken. The standard for integrity and service has

734
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: been completely changed because of Donald Trump, and so I

735
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: think that's certainly a piece. And when you have members

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Speaker 2: still defending him saying, oh, well, you know he deserves

737
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: a day court even though the ethnic Timoty has already

738
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: provided all the evidence. You know, these are folks that

739
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: love Donald Trump that'll you know, do whatever they can

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Speaker 2: to support someone that will likely be running president from jail.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time, I think, you know, they

742
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: have a slim majority, and you know Sanchos for McCarthy

743
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: especially was a vote, and so they use, you know,

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Speaker 2: the integrity of the House for power and that's wrong

745
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: and it needs to.

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Speaker 1: You're going to go on the floor tell us a

747
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: little bit about how this is going to work now.

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Speaker 2: So because the Republican we're going to be voting on

749
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Speaker 2: the Republican Privileged Resolution that we triggered. There'll be four debate,

750
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Speaker 2: you'll be hearing essentially mostly from the needs or Republicans,

751
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: and they'll be making their case, and you'll also hear

752
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: from me, and then I will be weave negotiated with

753
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: the Republicans to have four times so that we would

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: allow them essentially have their resolution come up first, and

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Speaker 2: then I'll speak. He'll have the same amount of time,

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Speaker 2: so we have an hour debate. He's dodn't have to

757
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: defend what we all say. And at the end of that,

758
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: the bay will close. And then Friday, first thing in

759
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 2: the morning, we will take a vote and then we'll

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Speaker 2: see and who actually can actually has the integrity at

761
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Speaker 2: the House to do the right thing. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how there could be any member of the US House

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Speaker 2: representatives that can read that report and not think this

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Speaker 2: is deserving of expelling. For the House.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you will need two thirds right to expel.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: We will need essentially a united Democratic caucus, which we'll

768
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: have I think close to all the Democrats who had

769
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: voted not to expel them the last time for a

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Speaker 2: variety of reasons, most of which was they were waiting

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Speaker 2: for the ex committee report. They've all signif a vote

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Speaker 2: to expel, and then there were about maybe you're twenty

773
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: four to twenty five republic insident, but are ready to expel.

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00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: The last time that number you've had another probably you know,

775
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty say on top of them that

776
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: they're ready to expel in now. And so we're close

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: to the threshold. I mean, we need really about eighty

778
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: Republicans depending on the vote count to it's sure that

779
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: he is expelled. And I think signs point to you

780
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: to an expulsion for me and you never know. I mean,

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00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: but surely these folks aren't exactly on profiles encourage.

782
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: And there's not exactly a genius whip counter out there

783
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: whipping the votes right.

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Speaker 2: No, these people have literally no idea what they're doing.

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00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: It's still uncertain. Look either way, neither we expel. You know,

786
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: this complete fabrication of a person from Congress or B Republican,

787
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: You're are going to have to stand up and say

788
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: that they once again saved this criminal who has lied,

789
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: who has stolen, who has cheated, who's already admitted to fraud,

790
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: who is likely going to jail, and we are going

791
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: to remind about that every single day. So that's their choice.

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00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really an incredible choice. Right, you're in Congress. Now,

793
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: why do you think Mike Johnson didn't want this to

794
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: come up just because he was right about the votes?

795
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Speaker 1: Or do you think that he just didn't know how

796
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Speaker 1: to do it, or I mean, do you have a

797
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Speaker 1: take on that.

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Speaker 2: I just think that he probably is looking at that

799
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Speaker 2: vote count. I mean, look, he hasn't come out against

800
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Speaker 2: the expulsion, which is a decent sign. But he also,

801
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: of course has has endorsed a full throttle vote to

802
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: expel him. And so I think he's you know, again,

803
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: he's weak. He has a very thin majority, He doesn't

804
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: really have a huge constituency, even with his own caucus,

805
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: and so I don't know that he honestly has a

806
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: big following. So I think I think people are going

807
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: to vote the way they want to vote. And quite frankly,

808
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: the New York Republicans, I mean those five New York

809
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 2: Republicans are begging their colleagues to please get rid of them.

810
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Speaker 2: This is going to I mean, they really want to

811
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Speaker 2: try to keep the majority, which were you know, we are,

812
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: of course on our side, are intent for that not

813
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: to happen. They need to expel this guy, and he's

814
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: when they're back home. That's all they hear about, and

815
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: so are going around doing the best they can to

816
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: whip their to whip their members. We are answering questions

817
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: on our side, and I think you're going to see

818
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: it by partisan unit unity tomorrow and we're expel thement.

819
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: You know, the second that he gets expelled, he will

820
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: be walked out of the house by the Sergeant of Arms,

821
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure he will make an incredible spectacle of it,

822
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: as he always does. Right, but at least we'll be

823
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: doing the right thing and be able to move forward

824
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: without you know, this kind of circus that he's created.

825
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say really incredible. He gave a press conference

826
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Speaker 1: today where he wore fare Gamo shoes and also was

827
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: pretty indignant. Did you watch the press conference? And also

828
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Speaker 1: he opened the door to trying to go after Representative Bowman.

829
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Speaker 1: Talk to me about that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's delusional. First, I think like everyone else,

831
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Speaker 2: I also want to know where did he spend six

832
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for about but what did he buy?

833
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: Pobby?

834
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Speaker 2: The shoes he was to hold it.

835
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Speaker 1: Up right exactly and iermaz.

836
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Speaker 2: Maybe was that pink suit? I mean, I have crohoos.

837
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean the forid trip, the trips around the country,

838
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: around the world, all the money that he's essentially embezzling

839
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: is really shameful. And so I think that he is delusional.

840
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: I think that he's doing whatever he can in this

841
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: the last few hours of his time in Congress to

842
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: try to attack others, try to expel Jamal Bildman, which

843
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: is going to go absolutely nowhere. Of course, members of

844
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: his own party have said so. I told this to

845
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: his face when we had an online conversation of Twitter

846
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: x spaces, that he should do the country and constituents

847
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: a favor and just resign.

848
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell him again, was he mad

849
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: at you when you said that?

850
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Speaker 2: Oddly enough?

851
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Speaker 6: He was not.

852
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Speaker 1: He's such an odd guy.

853
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, strange. We went into a back and forth, and

854
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: you know, I think our conversation lasted twenty minutes or

855
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes, you know. And I will say this,

856
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: and I want to kind of just say this as well.

857
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: I like wish him no personal harm, you know, I feel,

858
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: honestly sometimes I'm saddened by like what he's allowed to

859
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: happen to himself and to people he represents. But he

860
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: has to be held accountable, and we have a justice

861
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: system and a process in the House to deal with this,

862
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: and he has to live up to the fact that

863
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: he won't give a full floated apology. Also tells me

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Speaker 2: that he has no remorse. That's very concerning, and he

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Speaker 2: should take the time and go work on his court truck.

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Speaker 2: I mean he and Donald Trump are gonna end up

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Speaker 2: in the same place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he is really facing a lot of

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Speaker 1: legal jeopardy as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is going to take up some.

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Speaker 1: Time now, but then you're going to have time before

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Speaker 1: you start trying to get through this cr So January

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Speaker 1: is going to be like pretty much, if you'll excuse

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Speaker 1: my French, a shit show for you guys, portals show,

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Speaker 1: because you're going to have these tiered crs that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna happen to negotiate. Do you think Johnson has the

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Speaker 1: will of his caucus or do you think this ends

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Speaker 1: in a shutdown?

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know that he's such an unknown still

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Speaker 2: and has so few relationships with folks, including our own leadership,

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Speaker 2: that it's really hard to know. What I think is

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Speaker 2: becoming a parent in the last couple of days. Is

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Speaker 2: he's trying to, you know, show up his conservative base

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Speaker 2: by moving forward with an impeachment of the president. I

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Speaker 2: think that's pretty clear. I mean, obviously there's no evidence

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Speaker 2: and there's nothing there.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that impeachment vote is going to take

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Speaker 1: place this week?

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Speaker 2: The impeachment vote for the president will happen after some

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Speaker 2: kind of formal inquiry that they will do.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to do the vote on starting the inquiry?

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Speaker 1: Because he said he was going to do a vote

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Speaker 1: the way that McCarthy didn't. But do you think that

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Speaker 1: happens And if so, do you think that happens soon?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean I think if he chooses to move forward

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Speaker 2: and makes the final decision that they're going to go

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Speaker 2: for the impeachment. I think the impeachment inquiry vote I

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Speaker 2: think is likely to happen. I think he has said soough,

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Speaker 2: but we just don't know yet. And so the reality

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Speaker 2: is that anything this Republicans say, especially in the leadership,

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Speaker 2: basically they just flip flopped. They lie, they say one thing.

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Speaker 2: Another thing is you know, you can't trust what if

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Speaker 2: they say. And I think that's the.

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Speaker 1: Problem, and that ultimately was the end of mcarth Are

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Speaker 1: they right? He just couldn't. People wouldn't trust.

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Speaker 2: Him, they wouldn't trust him, they didn't like him, And

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Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of it. I think

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Speaker 2: he just made a lot of enemies really bad.

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Speaker 1: But we really could be facing down another shutdown.

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Speaker 2: I mean we could be, and I hope to god

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Speaker 2: we're not. You know, there's millions of people that depend

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Speaker 2: on jobs and these federal jobs and benefits, and it's

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Speaker 2: really sad and it hurts real people. And the way

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Speaker 2: that some of these House Republicans just kind of laugh

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Speaker 2: it off like it's some big joke, I think he's

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Speaker 2: really disgraceful. So, yeah, it's a really serious issue, and

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Speaker 2: I think it'll become kind of crystal clear by Christmas

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Speaker 2: what the direction of the Republicans are going to be.

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Speaker 1: Are you worried about Republicans trying to enact revenge for

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Speaker 1: Santos despite the fact that Santos is not trying to

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Speaker 1: impeach Biden is a way of Trump enacting revenge. Do

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Speaker 1: you worry that Republicans will try that was a sort

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Speaker 1: of revenge for Santo's kind of scenario.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps, But at the end of the day, the vote's

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Speaker 2: going to be bipartisan, and I think Republicans want have

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Speaker 2: gone too. I think he is the real aberration. He

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Speaker 2: is is someone that is these kind of people usually

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Speaker 2: don't exist in Congress. He's a walking lie. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't put past Republicans to do just about anything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're absolutely horrible legislators. So they're going to

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Speaker 2: continue to do things like try to impeach, you know,

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Speaker 2: President Biden, or impeach the ticcature may orcus or whatever

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Speaker 2: other crazy planer, insane like plan they have. And so

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Speaker 2: I think it's our job is just to focus on

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Speaker 2: good governing, on integrity and winning the House back. And

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Speaker 2: I think winning the House we got to. We got

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Speaker 2: to get the House back and take the gavels from

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Speaker 2: these lunatics.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Congressman.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely anytime, there no moment.

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Speaker 1: Ofecly Jesse Cannon, Maley, Jung Fast.

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Speaker 6: You know, James Comber initially told Hunter Biden he could

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Speaker 6: choose to testify in private or public, but who James

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Speaker 6: Comer's word never means a thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Republicans are completely obsessed with Hunter Biden. They're

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Speaker 1: hoping that it will muddy the waters, that this will

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Speaker 1: be the corruption that will make a false equivalency between

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Speaker 1: Biden and Trump. They are going to do it in

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Speaker 1: any way they can. I think the reason why they

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Speaker 1: want Hunter to testify in a private forum is because

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Speaker 1: the last two hearings they held that were like this,

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Speaker 1: the one about impeaching Biden right and the last Weaponization

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Speaker 1: of Government Committee hearing. Both of those made Republicans look

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Speaker 1: really stupid. And even the most recent hearing on gun

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Speaker 1: violence yesterday, they kind of look like morons. So I

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Speaker 1: do think Republicans and Congress are getting more and more

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Speaker 1: concerned about how they look during these hearings. But let

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Speaker 1: me just say James Comer, who thinks he's too smart

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Speaker 1: by half for doing this hearing in private, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: get the publicity. He can't drive the news cycle if

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Speaker 1: no one sees the hearing. So there we have James Comer.

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Speaker 1: Checkmate liberal, You've checkmate it yourself, and you are our

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