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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to thirty five,

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Speaker 1: Episode two of Day Nice. It's a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and this is a podcast where we take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: May third, two, which of course means is National Teacher

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Speaker 1: Appreciation Day. Yeah, do you have a teacher that you

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Speaker 1: want to show? I feel like we've talked about this

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Speaker 1: a lot, but I always say my history teacher, Mr. Woolery,

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Speaker 1: ended up studying that in college. But also I got

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Speaker 1: to shout out one of my first music teachers, Judy Clawson,

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Speaker 1: who was like really made me like feel good about

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Speaker 1: being good at an instrument, Like was made it like

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Speaker 1: a connected the pathways in my brain if you're like

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Speaker 1: like it was very encouraging. And you know, I would

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Speaker 1: say that I'm not into music as much as I

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Speaker 1: would be today with I heard shout on this class day,

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Speaker 1: you go, I think I shout out Ms McDonald last time,

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Speaker 1: my seventh greg writing teacher. I'll go with Professor Wexel,

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Speaker 1: the first philosophy professor who was really in the star

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Speaker 1: truck and got me and made you insufferable. That made

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Speaker 1: me the worst guys. You know, I can believe what

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Speaker 1: I heard my philosophy class. Uh well, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien, a K. Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles

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Speaker 1: Grag out the window. I'm gonna crawl, even though always

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Speaker 1: way too small out this bust a fall. Okay, shout

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Speaker 1: out to Fighter of the ninth Man on Discord, because yes,

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Speaker 1: the last time we were racking our brains over who

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Speaker 1: closes the school bus door? You know when the drivers done?

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Speaker 1: Because are we crawling out the window? Are we just

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Speaker 1: reaching our arm? And are we releasing the hydraulics? There's

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Speaker 1: so much simpler answer, but again it inspired a great

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Speaker 1: yin Yang twins. Yeah, one of the best and it

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Speaker 1: and the answer was just like that, you can just

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Speaker 1: open and close those doors. Yeah, just turn off when

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Speaker 1: the hydraulics are turned off, you can release the hydraulic

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Speaker 1: pressure in the door and then just close it manually

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Speaker 1: when you get it. It wasn't some you know, magic

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Speaker 1: trick or new fingled instrumental. Yeah. My theory that all

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Speaker 1: bus drivers are shape shifters turned out not to be true.

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Speaker 1: I think we edited out of the episode, but one

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Speaker 1: on for like twenty five minutes. Yeah, when you're like,

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Speaker 1: how did they get that thin like paper a little

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Speaker 1: the little schism in between? Well, Miles, We are thrilled

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Speaker 1: to be joined in our third and fourth seats by

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Speaker 1: the hosts of the podcast What Could Go Right from

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Speaker 1: the Progress Network is Zachary, Carabelle and Emma Arba Luca Emma, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to learn, Emma, to amp

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Speaker 1: up the energy level on our usually sedate and measured

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Speaker 1: set of interviews. Clearly we've we've lost um descible level

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Speaker 1: that we need to incorporate. So if nothing else, we've

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Speaker 1: learned that from the conversation so far. My last name

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Speaker 1: was made for that. That was that was perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's got like good syllables. It's musical, four syllables in there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It gives you some time to like get REVVD up

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Speaker 1: a little bit. The you know, the Barba gets you

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Speaker 1: gets you ready for Lucas. Thanks guys, It's a change

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Speaker 1: from middle school. I'm into it. I know, all right,

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Speaker 1: you're getting teased. You're getting teased, Barbara Mucus. That was

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Speaker 1: the one that kind of issue you could go back

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Speaker 1: like as an adult and be like, guys, these are

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Speaker 1: the worst insults I've ever heard, Like like, and I

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Speaker 1: know they're cutting at my at this age, but y'all, like, really,

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Speaker 1: this was not this is not a great showing you

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Speaker 1: could do better. Yeah, well, going through the eighties and

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Speaker 1: early nineties with the name Jack was and like not

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Speaker 1: I feel your pain. We all have our cross Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also not the highest quality material, believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: But how are you guys doing? Where are you coming

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Speaker 1: to us from? I'm in New York City, I've heard

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Speaker 1: of it. Um, I'm in Athens, Greece. Okay, now I

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Speaker 1: have not heard of that, you know. I How how

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Speaker 1: Al right, Well, well, thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. We're going to get to know you a

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Speaker 1: little bit better in a moment. First, We're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about this New York Times article.

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Speaker 1: There's basically like the Democrats have found themselves with a

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Speaker 1: that seems to be kind of what they are what

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Speaker 1: Democrats are asking themselves heading into this midterm election. So

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Speaker 1: we want to dig into that. We wanna look at

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Speaker 1: the Great Resignation as it's demographics are shifting. We are

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Speaker 1: going to talk vampire culture, all of that plenty more.

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Speaker 1: But first we like to ask our guests what is

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Speaker 1: something from your search histories? So one thing from my

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Speaker 1: the answer was there's exactly one. I couldn't find any

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Speaker 1: I think it's a sent dosignia or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Do you did you listen to a lot of hip

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Speaker 1: What's what's your relationship to? You know what? If my

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk. Whereas the zos like tried to kill a

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Speaker 1: goes up, your way of looking at that should actually

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Speaker 1: look at it as a per capita reality, not just

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Speaker 1: as an absolute one. I mean, ten crimes out of

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Speaker 1: a million riders and you know, twenty two crimes out

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Speaker 1: of three million riders riders is still a hundred and

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Speaker 1: increase in crime. But it sure is it's a completely

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Speaker 1: different reality if you looked at it in context. But

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Speaker 1: nobody does that, right, I mean, the media does that

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Speaker 1: a lot, where the attract things a year by year

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Speaker 1: where it's like it's almost meaningless. You know, you have

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Speaker 1: to look I feel like five years in either direction

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Speaker 1: to really understand I've tried is going up or down?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, crime just broadly is down, right, like

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Speaker 1: where as compared to the nineties and yeah, or the

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Speaker 1: early two thousand's right. I mean I try to talk

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Speaker 1: to people about this thing. Oh my god, I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: New York used to be so safe or l A.

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Speaker 1: You know, Downtown l A, like Downtown l A. You know,

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Speaker 1: it was safe for like a nano second between twenty

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Speaker 1: eight and you know for the thirty years before that,

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Speaker 1: it was the place you dared not go. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I'm being hyperbolic, I get it. But but the

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Speaker 1: fact is, you know, yes, human beings, we all live

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Speaker 1: at our our highest set point, right. We always remember

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Speaker 1: the most amount of money we have, the most we're earning,

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Speaker 1: in the least we were paying. And that's just kind

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Speaker 1: of human nature. And we don't deal well with our

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Speaker 1: set point going down. We're great when our set point

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Speaker 1: goes up, right, Like, no problem, I'm doing I got

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Speaker 1: more money tomorrow than I did today, or you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel better today, or I lost weight. We have

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Speaker 1: a much harder time. Arthur Brooks talks a lot about this.

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Speaker 1: We did a great podcast with him, and he's got

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Speaker 1: this wonderful new book he has out. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't. We don't do well with with one step back.

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Speaker 1: We're we're fine with the two steps forward. And and look,

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Speaker 1: that has always been human nature. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: a social media phenomenon, but it certainly gets amplified and

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Speaker 1: echoed in a way that doesn't do any of us

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Speaker 1: much good. Yeah, well, I think yeah. I think the

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Speaker 1: hard part is that people who want to influence policy

469
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Speaker 1: realize that and sort of employ that tech dick pretty

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Speaker 1: cynically because we see, I mean we see it constantly.

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Speaker 1: Whether that relates to seating this idea that like crime

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Speaker 1: is completely out of control every single place you go,

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Speaker 1: or that the pandemic is over, you know, there's like

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Speaker 1: so many versions of this, and the prime thing is,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a swat of a pernicious

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Speaker 1: boomerang from the Black Lives Matter summer, and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it is a way for some people politically to use

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Speaker 1: this as a cudgel of you know, the four people

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Speaker 1: who actually did want to defund the police, saying well,

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Speaker 1: it's all because of that that we now have this right,

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Speaker 1: when there's also no evidence that they were actually defunded too,

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Speaker 1: because every time there was a little bit of talk

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Speaker 1: for a little bit of time. Yeah, but just talking

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Speaker 1: about it was enough to the criminals and make them

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Speaker 1: right and armed the police that they're really nice talking

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Speaker 1: for and they're like, we're sorry, We're just sorry. There's

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Speaker 1: there's an actual robbery happening, but all right, let's take

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Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll be right back. And we're back.

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Speaker 1: And so Democrats find themselves in the like the New

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Speaker 1: York Times called it democrats Mystery how to brighten up

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Speaker 1: presidency and a national mood. It basically seems like, you know,

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Speaker 1: just the moods down, and the article also seems to

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Speaker 1: you know, take them at sort of face value when

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Speaker 1: it comes to like what the mystery is here, Like

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Speaker 1: they're like, I don't know, like should we emphasize the

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Speaker 1: small gains we've made or try to make larger gains,

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Speaker 1: and it just feels, I don't know, it feels weird

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Speaker 1: and disingenuous to treat people's feelings about this administration like

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Speaker 1: it is a mystery illness that like they they don't

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Speaker 1: know the cause of, and they're just trying to figure out,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're floating some weather balloons up to see

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Speaker 1: how this works and how that works. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about like sort of a disconnect

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Speaker 1: between the reality is people live it and experience it,

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Speaker 1: including on like social media versus the reality that I

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Speaker 1: feel like the mainstream media and the mainstream Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: seem to exist inside of or at least like sort

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Speaker 1: of message from the planet of But I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think it like comes back to sort of an

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Speaker 1: unacknowledged like I think two thousand eight like probably and

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Speaker 1: the financial collapse like kind of ties a lot into this,

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Speaker 1: and just the fact that that there hasn't been like

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Speaker 1: sort of a reckoning in the mainstream video or with

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party with what happened there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you had like Bernie Sanders as an insurgent candidate who

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Speaker 1: wanted to address that, and Trump addressed it in his way,

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Speaker 1: and the Democratic Party was kind of still in the middle.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, it just feels it feels very

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Speaker 1: much like, well, there there are concrete things people are

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Speaker 1: asking for. You kind of said you were going to

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Speaker 1: do something with that or around that, and have not

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Speaker 1: done those things. But like, so, why is it be

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Speaker 1: being treated as like are they depressed? Like what's what

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Speaker 1: are you so upset about? What? Why is everyone sad?

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Speaker 1: How do we make them happy? I was just curious

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Speaker 1: that what would be the you know, top three list

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Speaker 1: of things that they said that they were going to

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Speaker 1: do that they haven't done. I think voting rights is

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Speaker 1: a huge one. Yeah, I think I'm honestly like looking

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Speaker 1: at things like the unemploye an insurance uh, like the

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Speaker 1: weird math that happened around things being like two thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars and like, well, if you add this from over here,

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Speaker 1: you carry the two that adds to two thousand, the

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Speaker 1: child tax credit, lapsing student debt, like you know, student

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Speaker 1: loan debt. There's a I mean there's a lot talking

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Speaker 1: about like law enforcement reform, not necessarily about defunding the police,

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Speaker 1: but looking at that with a real clear eye and

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Speaker 1: thinking things, looking at things like qualified immunity, like these

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Speaker 1: are things that we're talked about. I never in a

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Speaker 1: million years would think Joe Biden would ever touch anything

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Speaker 1: with the qualified immunity, but a lot of gestures were

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Speaker 1: made in that direction. And I think especially for you know,

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Speaker 1: black people, well, we look at something like voting rights

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Speaker 1: as being completely at threatened, being threatened, and we see

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Speaker 1: countless laws like in places like Georgia, Florida, Texas, where

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Speaker 1: it's becoming increasingly difficult to vote even for fucking you know,

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Speaker 1: the people that they want to vote for. So I

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Speaker 1: think those are like big things that feel very existential

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Speaker 1: for people. I think, like one, if we're if we're

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Speaker 1: meant to believe that if this sort of equation here

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Speaker 1: is to vote the representatives into Congress that represent you know,

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Speaker 1: the values that we have. That if we can't even

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Speaker 1: do that, what what is the point here, Like we're

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Speaker 1: not even looking at like that should even I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: that wasn't the big one of the biggest things democrats

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Speaker 1: even so, just like in the cynical game of staying

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Speaker 1: in power, which is like, hey, they're trying to take

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Speaker 1: away the their ability to vote for us. But that's

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Speaker 1: been you know that we've seen, We've seemed to let

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Speaker 1: the obstruction happen like within the party and just kind

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Speaker 1: of keep it moving. I mean, look, part of it

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Speaker 1: is that Biden was unpopular by the fall of last year,

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Speaker 1: within six months of being in office, when it wasn't

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Speaker 1: even clear that those things weren't going to be passed.

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Speaker 1: And there was some effort. There was a you know,

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Speaker 1: a voting rights bill that the House had passed that

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Speaker 1: was at the Senate, and there was also the Build

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Speaker 1: Back Better omnibus, you know, was going to retain the

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Speaker 1: child tax credit, was going to provide universal pre k

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Speaker 1: and and more time off for working women. But he

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Speaker 1: was on popular even before those things didn't pass amongst

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Speaker 1: a wider swath of the public than one would have thought.

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Speaker 1: And what's odd is the lesson that government, including Republicans,

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Speaker 1: learned from two thousand and eight two thousand nine, was

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Speaker 1: that if you don't bail out people who are actually working,

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Speaker 1: and you just bail out institutions, you're gonna create a

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Speaker 1: lot of ill will. So there was you know, four

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars of money during COVID, both in and then

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Speaker 1: in February, a lot of which did go toward It

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Speaker 1: was the first time in forty years that the lower

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Speaker 1: quintile people saw some income growth larger because of transfer

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Speaker 1: payments from government. And you know, that did not engender like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're doing well. You know, I mean there is a

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Speaker 1: degree of you mentioned malaise at the beginning, Jack, that

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Speaker 1: there is that aspect of what's going on that that

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Speaker 1: isn't purely about I think something one can point to

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Speaker 1: specifically that doesn't an undiagnosed illness. It just means, first

588
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Speaker 1: of all, it's almost impossible to do anything right now

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Speaker 1: other than those two stimulus bills during COVID that has

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Speaker 1: anything resembling bipartisan support, and there are actually things that

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Speaker 1: have bipartisan support, like weirdly enough, criminal Justice Reform was

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Speaker 1: the one bill passed that had genuine bipartisan support during

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Speaker 1: the Trump years in December that actually for the first

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Speaker 1: time moved away from like a lot of the draconian

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Speaker 1: sentenc saying that have become commonplace in federal courts. Right

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Speaker 1: doesn't do anything for state systems, which are which are different,

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Speaker 1: but it you know, it does speak to and part

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Speaker 1: of why M and I are trying to do this

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Speaker 1: our own, our own show of getting people to look

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Speaker 1: at what what people are trying to do to solve

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Speaker 1: things is the United States definitely is in a culturally

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Speaker 1: massive question mark, verging on kind of despair and cynicism

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Speaker 1: in a way that would have been really familiar in

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Speaker 1: the mid seventies. You know, It's not like we haven't

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Speaker 1: been here before and would have been really familiar in

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Speaker 1: the mid nineteen thirties. You know, it would have been

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Speaker 1: really familiar in the mid eighteen seventies. At best, these

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Speaker 1: are like cyclical things where we we we snap out

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Speaker 1: of our somewhat illusionary view of us of being the

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Speaker 1: greatest of all nations that has solved everything right, as

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Speaker 1: a comforting narrative that's never been true, but which we

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Speaker 1: buy into really easily for long periods of time. And

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Speaker 1: then it's like something happens and we wake up and

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Speaker 1: we're like, wait a minute, right, no, we're not all

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Speaker 1: those wonderful, hyperbolic Hosanna things that we said that we were.

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Speaker 1: We've got real problems and we've got real issues, and

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Speaker 1: the challenge, of course is to is to have that

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Speaker 1: clear gimlet eye to awareness of what's going on without

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Speaker 1: sinking into despair and cynicism, you know, without that then

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Speaker 1: trending into the other direction. And we're we're clearly whether

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Speaker 1: you're on the left or the right, easily heading in

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Speaker 1: those directions. And I think that it's partly reflective of

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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, no political leader has anything

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Speaker 1: resembling a majority approval, let alone much of a plurality.

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Speaker 1: I just add really quickly, Miles, I agree he like

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Speaker 1: about the child tax credit. I think that was a

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Speaker 1: really you know, that was terrible that that lapsed. One

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Speaker 1: interesting thing about voting rights is that it is a

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Speaker 1: very serious issue. There are several states where they're they're

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Speaker 1: rolling back, you know, they're making it harder to vote.

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Speaker 1: But it was interesting is that the Brennan Center also

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Speaker 1: put out a report about all of the new pathways

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Speaker 1: of voting that we're open during the pandemic with mail

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Speaker 1: and voting, and what with all the hup of about

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Speaker 1: mail and voting during the last election, there's actually like

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Speaker 1: states that made it easier to vote. They took the

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Speaker 1: new pandemic pathways that had put into place about voting,

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Speaker 1: particularly around around mail and voting and they kept them.

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Speaker 1: So this is just this is just aside to it

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Speaker 1: that is not often discussed. And you know, it's think

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Speaker 1: what Zachary is saying that we're not we're not trying

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Speaker 1: to paint like you know, let's look at everything through

643
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: rose colored glasses. It's just a balance question. Yeah, I

644
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: mean I do think too that you know, there are

645
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: some things that Biden is at fault for, like the

646
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: massive cash transfers that went into place during the pandemic,

647
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: like Sachary mentioned, were massively beneficial for people. It also

648
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: seemed to have kicked up inflation. I'm not sure how

649
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: much we can blame Biden for, you know, gas and

650
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: gas places coming up and up and up with the

651
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: war right now. So I think some of them malaised

652
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: does have to do with like the Democrats are not delivering,

653
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: and I think that they're particularly not paying attention to

654
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: votos concerns about working and wages and worker power compared

655
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: to corporate power. But some of it too, I do

656
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: think it is kind of like there's a bad vibe

657
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm not sure that the Democrats are

658
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: all are all to blame for that. I don't think

659
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: that they are all to blame because this is this

660
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: is censure. He's built up where now like the lived

661
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: experience of an American US and as such, where the

662
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: American dream is you know, not very accessible to most

663
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: people anymore, and that the feeling that people have is like,

664
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, all that like post World War two

665
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: glow is completely faded away and we're looking at like

666
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: crumbling infrastructure, stagnant wages, and like really massive societal issues

667
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: where it looks like the leadership in the country can't

668
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: really like really address the elephant in the room, which

669
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: I think for voting people is equal inequality and like

670
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: broadly tackling that issue to say, we absolutely hear you

671
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: that being able to live in a city has become

672
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: it's prohibitively expensive, even if you're just trying to if

673
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: you're a single parent, like good luck like trying to

674
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: do that. We hear you, We understand that that is

675
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: something that societally feels like we need a realignment to say,

676
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: what is the minimum that an American deserves, you know,

677
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: like many other countries have that defined where it's like

678
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: will not go broke because you you know, because you've

679
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: got into medical debt or things like that, if you

680
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: want an education, here go at it. Here you go.

681
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: We could we were there's a there's a place for

682
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: you to attain that, and I think we're by by

683
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: not really getting into that part. I think it's probably

684
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: messy for both parties because at some point they have

685
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: to acknowledge their connection to it. And I think that's

686
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: what makes it a little bit difficult is that the

687
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, the both parties in this country have been

688
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: so entangled in that inequality that it's like they're finding

689
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: it very difficult to a acknowledge that they're the policies

690
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: that they were supporting. And with the hopes of thinking like, yeah,

691
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: this is this is the way too, like have all

692
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: of the abundance flow to many people isn't working And

693
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: to really acknowledge that, to really say that that is

694
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: completely failed and we actually need to think about I

695
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: think that's what some people are waiting for, is like,

696
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: can we just acknowledge that this has failed? Because it's

697
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: failed so many people at this point, it's hard to

698
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: say that this is us moving in a beneficial direction. Yes,

699
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean I have too pushbacks on that one is

700
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: I think it's not about inequality as much as it's

701
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: about what you just talked about. I mean, you could

702
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: reduce inequality the amount of inequality, and still have people

703
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: not be able to afford living in cities and going

704
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: bankrupt for medical debt. It's the abundance part. It's the

705
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: non proliferation of sufficient abundance to enough people in it

706
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: in an otherwise highly affluent society, and inequality per se

707
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: is not reducing an equality doesn't solve those issues. Just

708
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: like you know, as we see with inflation, right, expanding

709
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: incomes doesn't do you much good if the cost of

710
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: things is rising more quickly than your incomes are expanding.

711
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: If costs went down, which was somewhat happening with the

712
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: declationary effects of technology, then you wouldn't necessarily need more income,

713
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: right because net net would be the same thing. Your

714
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: dollar would be buying more if the costs were going down.

715
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: If costs you're going up, your dollars buying less. So

716
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: I think it's more about the non sharing of that abundance.

717
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: And one of the real opts was for the United

718
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: States is the set point of the mid twentieth century,

719
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: which we look at as some sort of normative moment

720
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: where everything worked, but so many stars aligned in that

721
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: moment that we're both of our own doing and also

722
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: global right, World War two ends the United States is

723
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: more than that, Actually, all global industrial capacity, the entire world. Right,

724
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: We were this engine because we hadn't been bombed, you know,

725
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: we were the one bombing. We weren't the ones getting bombed.

726
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: We had emerged victorious. There was some degree of collective

727
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: unity that that had to do with white America, right,

728
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: And the g I Bill was great, but it didn't

729
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: extend to African Americans, that certainly didn't extent to women.

730
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: And yet we hold that up as the validation of

731
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: a system that worked. And I'm really of the mind

732
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: that we we hamper ourselves more by thinking that we

733
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: had a formula that worked that we are now failing,

734
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: rather than recognizing that we never really had the formula

735
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: we think we had and it never worked the way

736
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: we idealized it having worked. You know that we were

737
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: always much more flawed than we like to tell ourselves.

738
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: We're always more just like a group of humans who

739
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: had an interesting formula for social organization that did allow

740
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: for things a lot of other societies didn't, and still don't.

741
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: But I think the fact that we looked to that

742
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: moment in the nineties, forties, and fifties and sixties as

743
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: this is when it worked and now we failed, I

744
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: think that's a false story of who we were. I mean,

745
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: who looks to that though? Who who are you talking

746
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: about when we talk about looking to the forties, fifties, sixties,

747
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: and seventies. I don't think that's who we're talking about. Well,

748
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: when I even say that post war glow, I think

749
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: that's that that I'm not. That's not to say that's

750
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't idealize any moment in American industry. No,

751
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm not atting you guys are, But I think are

752
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: a lot of our public debate speaks of a kind

753
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: of something worked and then we got off track. Yeah,

754
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: the Republican Party and Fox News certainly do, right, but

755
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: the Democrats do as well. This is a time when

756
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: there was more democracy, or more egalitarian nous, or more

757
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: rights that are being you know, I don't. I don't

758
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: think it's just one side here. What I see is

759
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: that the media, like when I say this post war glow,

760
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: is that that that's those that that is like you're

761
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: saying that is looked at is like something you know

762
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: that like we were doing okay or whatever. But again

763
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: you look at even as you as you lay out,

764
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: not all those benefits were distributed equally. In fact, you know,

765
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: most people, especially if you are not in like the

766
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: white mainstream, there really hasn't been a great time for

767
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: for those people in this country. And to say that,

768
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: like whether it's thinking that something worked and then failed

769
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: or just saying that like nothing is going right, I

770
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: think what we're saying is that the same thing is

771
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: that we're not We're not we're not actually arriving at

772
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: a moment we're trying to actually reckon with what's going on.

773
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: We have ways to kind of shroud the discussion and

774
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: something else then just silo it off into like a

775
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: separate thing and just make it about Okay, well, let's

776
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: look at uh, let's look at how we can help

777
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: out student loan like people with student loan debt, or

778
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: maybe we can look at how pell grants are distributed

779
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: and how that's working. But again, all of these issues

780
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: are sort of part of this larger problem that we

781
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: have is that most American people on some level have

782
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: these like feelings of like, I don't know if I'm

783
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: going to have enough to make it or to be

784
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: have a level of financial stability. I look at that

785
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: with my friends who are in their mid thirties who

786
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: work at grocery stores so and talk about the stress

787
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: they have from doing like smaller jobs because it was

788
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: harder for them to go to college. They didn't they

789
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: weren't taking out student loans and things like that. And

790
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: there's I I see firsthand a lot about how ground

791
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: down people get. And that's my concern is that I think,

792
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, even in a past episode, you talk about

793
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: this idea of nostalgia that we have this idea of

794
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: the return of the king and someone will come to

795
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: right all the wrongs, and it's really not that simple.

796
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: And I know people still think that's like possible, But

797
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: we we have to sort of on a put all

798
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: of that ship out of our mind and say that

799
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: there has to be this basic reshifting or really looking

800
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: at the things that we're saying what is the minimum?

801
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's an easier place

802
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: a conversation to start for in general, to talk about,

803
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: this is what's the minimum an American deserves by being

804
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: a citizen. What is that? What is that? How does

805
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: that enable you to live a prosperous life? Yeah, that

806
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: I totally agree with. You know that there should be

807
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: some baseline understanding of what is an affluent society provide

808
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: as its contract to itself, because it's the basics of

809
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, healthcare, education, shelter, food, you know, not not

810
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: not a particularly high bar or shouldn't be a particularly

811
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: high bar of security that once we've established that, then

812
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: everybody's lives can go and all the different directions that

813
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: everybody's lives go. And one concern I have with the

814
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: malaise like storyline is, you know, the last time the

815
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Democrats got like blamed for a nation with malaise, like

816
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: you know that that ended with or that led to

817
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: eight years of Reaganism and Republicans like just sort of

818
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: staying hyper focused on like the wealthy and like, you know,

819
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: America is great because of this small part of what

820
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: is happening in America. And I just I feel like

821
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: that tends to be I don't know, I don't I

822
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: don't want to see that dynamic again. But if the

823
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: Democrats continue to be just like the holding the holding

824
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: bag for like everything that's negative, and the Republicans can

825
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: just you know, invent new versions of themselves, Like are

826
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: we going to just be like yo yoing back and

827
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: forth between you know, just insufferable like Republican leaders who

828
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: are saying wild shit about what they're going to do

829
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: and you know, threatening horrible things and you know, being

830
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: horrible leaders back to like a you know, sane democratic

831
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: alternative that then everyone's like yeah, but like this problem

832
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: is still there. Like I feel like that's the dynamic

833
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: we're currently at, is that whatever you diagnose the problem being.

834
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a a huge unacknowledged like

835
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: wound from two thousand eight that like the end from

836
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: like you know, corporate you know what when we talk

837
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: about like Biden not getting things done in office and

838
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: like it's stopping with like mansion and cinema like that

839
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: was they are like heavily influenced by like dark money

840
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: and corporate interests, and you know, it just feels like

841
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: we're like the Democratic Party and like that mainstream has

842
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: chosen to be the sort of holding bag for like

843
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: all of this malaise, but like they don't have like

844
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: some alternative that they're they're they're not choosing to offer

845
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: an alternative. I guess I definitely hear you about like

846
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: the wound from two thousand and eight. I talked about

847
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: this with my friends. A lot some ammennial and a

848
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of us got really screwed going into college, during

849
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: college and coming out of college, and it did lead

850
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: to a lot of us, you know, sort of getting

851
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: behind as far as not being able to settle a

852
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: life for ourselves with enough money to buy a house,

853
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: particularly in a city that's rehatively expensive. But I also

854
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: just think like the Democrats are not working with the

855
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: things that they should be working with. Like Miles brought

856
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: up the child tax credit, they were that also is

857
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: something that has biperasion support. There are Republicans who support

858
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: various versions of that. They should be going straightforward towards that.

859
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: Why aren't they The whole discussion around student loan debt

860
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: I find really odd because once you cance allow everyone's

861
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: student loan debt, you're still left with the undiscussed problem.

862
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: Like you guys are pointing out that it's prohibitly expensive

863
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: to attend a lot of practic colleges, So you might

864
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: have solved that, you know, in a moment in time. Okay, great,

865
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: everyone who has you know, a lot of debt is

866
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: free from that, but a lot of the students leaned

867
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: it that's being hold held in the United States from

868
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: from for profit colleges, and like I said, it's not

869
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: going to solve the situation of people entering into college

870
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: just going to graduate with him with more debt. And

871
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: again the you know, the Democrats are also not focusing

872
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: on healthcare. So techo that, Yeah, there were things that

873
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: the Democrats could have done in that because of the

874
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: party's sort of maximums position about a lot of these

875
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: things didn't happen. You know. Even Jim mentioned had a

876
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: voting rights bill that he had helped craft that he

877
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 1: would have supported that was far less than the voting

878
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: rights bill that was passed in Congress, but was far

879
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: more than no voting rights bill and would have given

880
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: the federal government much more teeth to take on some

881
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: of these restrictions some of these states. There was also

882
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: a series of social spendings that could have passed through

883
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: through the Senate. Emma talked about the child Task Credit,

884
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: but there was a kind of a maximums position and

885
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: I think in many ways, you know, a lot of

886
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: what is disparaging about the Democrats is the degree to

887
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: which by trying to govern as if there was this

888
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: huge mandate without recognizing that. Look, I mean, there's a

889
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: whole series of Democrats in swing districts, in non urban

890
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: areas of the country. You know, people like Alyssa Slakin

891
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: in Michigan and Tom Malinowski in New Jersey who's an

892
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: old friend, and Abigail Spansburger and Virginia and Cindy Asney

893
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: and in Iowa who support all these things, you know,

894
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: and and and feel like they have a constituency that

895
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: would support them, but not at the most. You know,

896
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna remake society allow what more urban you know,

897
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: younger educated voters want. And by not taking the half loaf,

898
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, the proverbial like not taking the deal that

899
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: was the table and going for the wish list, I

900
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: think that's I mean, it is almost impossible to overstate

901
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: what a mistake that is. And it changes the narrative

902
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: in a way that didn't have to be. You know,

903
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: there's more support for a lot of these things because

904
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: they affect a lot of humans lives, irrespective of what

905
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: party they affiliate themselves. With and uh, you know, I

906
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: think that's going to be part of the real challenge

907
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: for the Democrats, other than the fact they've done a

908
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: really effective job counter Gerryandering well. And I think the

909
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: issue though two is right like they'll come out with

910
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: these maximalist solutions on the campaign trail to court the voters,

911
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: and then when it's time for the rubber to hit

912
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: the road, the lobbyists step in and completely derail everything.

913
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's a huge part. I think that's

914
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: why for me, I'm not sure how the current set

915
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: up is equipped to actually take on these issues because

916
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: they're so systemic. I used to be a lobbyist for

917
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: a four offit education institution, and the work I did

918
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with education and had everything to

919
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: do with exerting pressure on, you know, politicians, to convince

920
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: voters that this politician was using X policy to benefit

921
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: them when they weren't. And my whole existence was predicated

922
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: on a wealthy donor wanting to make sure that his

923
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: business was doing well. And I think that's a huge,

924
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: huge blind spot in the discussion, is that it's it's

925
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: it's not just Joe Manchin sat down and looked at

926
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: the Build Back Better Infrastructure bill and said, you know,

927
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: cutting it back at trillion dollars every couple of months,

928
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: which coincides with I think why Biden's numbers by the

929
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: fall hit hit such a weird point because we started,

930
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: we started off the spring thinking this, this bill is

931
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: gonna work. Then slowly you got to see that a

932
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: lot of the like sort of more corporative elements of

933
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: the party, but you could see where their interests were.

934
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: People suddenly are now voting to block bills that we're

935
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: going to bring prescription costs lower and lo and behold,

936
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: it's coming from people whose biggest donors are from the

937
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical industry. And I think, yeah, like well and all

938
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: of that is pretty disheartening. But I think if when

939
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: that's completely absent from the conversation, we're gonna keep we're

940
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: gonna keep getting stuck in this like abstract version like

941
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: what's really going on without again reckoning with what this

942
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: how the system is actually operating and who who actually

943
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: can you know, pull those levers that a certain points

944
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: when they want to Yeah, I'm with you about healthcalth

945
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: health care for sure, Miles, I mean coming to Greece

946
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: and and living in uh that's probably one of the

947
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: worst European countries as far as health insurance goes. The

948
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: dramatic difference between here in the United States is like

949
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I feel like I should recommend

950
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: everyone if they can, like go live in Europe, if

951
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: you can, for sometimes see what the health care is like,

952
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: then come back. You'll have a crystal clear idea of

953
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: how much better it could be in the United States. Yeah,

954
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, too many people just living the version where

955
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: they're experiencing the worst kind ever without any idea of

956
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: how much how good it can be, and we're just

957
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: grinding people down to like nothing. I feel like that's it.

958
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: It's like meant, it's like I've gone through periods where

959
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: I ignore my mental health and just like grind myself

960
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: and then like you know, there there are negative consequences,

961
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: but if you just like don't take that as a

962
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: as a factor into consideration. But like the the reality

963
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: of like living in America in a place where like

964
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: getting sick or hurt can like bankrupt you is so

965
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: fucked up, like so dark, and the fact that like

966
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, you would have to like that you feel

967
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: like you need to suggest to people like you guys

968
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: have to see this ship. It's crazy like over there

969
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: you can get hurt and not be bankrupted. Is like

970
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: that that feels? I don't know. I think there are

971
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we kind of lose track

972
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: of because we're so used to them, as you guys

973
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: have kind of talked about, but that need to be

974
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: improved and are the thing that is like grinding people down,

975
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: like you were saying, well, I mean I will say

976
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: to you that there's pros and content everywhere, So I

977
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: would be remiss to say that if you're on public

978
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: health insurance here in Greece, part of your medical experience

979
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: is not going to be bankruptcy, but it is going

980
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: to be bribing the doctors in the hospitals that they'll

981
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: actually take care of you. So yeah, I mean health

982
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: insurance is hard. Let's just say that. Yeah, because again,

983
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: like I think it speaks to the this perversion of

984
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: like certain industries where we're not taking certain things saying

985
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: that's not a thing where you need to go and

986
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, exploit and extract trillions of dollars out of

987
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: Like that's that's that's that's at a minimum, a thing

988
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: to keep people healthy and alive. Like, don't don't begin

989
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: to to mix that up with growth and shareholder value

990
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: and those kinds of ideas, because yeah, we've we come.

991
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: When we do that, we complete reduced people to just

992
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: shoot on a spreadsheet abstract numbers, and at a certain point,

993
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: one person being like I need to crank this up

994
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: by half a percent means tens of thousands of people

995
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 1: going to bankruptcy. And we're like, we're completely I think,

996
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: divorced from like the humanity of it all, which I

997
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: think is just unfortunately that happens a lot of the

998
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: people who are the most vulnerable. We forget about it

999
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: because it's not necessarily maybe presents the greatest threat to

1000
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: the most people all the time, but it's simmers and

1001
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: it ends up, you know where eventually that that rot

1002
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: touches all of us. Although I had to say one

1003
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: of the things that really startled me in pandemic time,

1004
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: the heart of it was like a fair number of

1005
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: us I looked to Western European national health systems with

1006
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: a degree of admiration of some sense that this is

1007
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: a public good right it should be channeled through private industry.

1008
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: It should be a product of a profit motive per se.

1009
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: It should be about Look, every person in a society

1010
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: should be able to get the health care they need

1011
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: for the lives they want to live. But those national

1012
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: systems were no more able to cope with the demands

1013
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: of of a pandemic for the most part, and showed

1014
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: in many of the same fissures between sort of haves.

1015
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: Have not that the United States did hardly because their

1016
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: own budgets had been investrated over the prior years, because

1017
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: people didn't want to really pay taxes to support that

1018
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: collective good, and they were susceptible to the same mantras

1019
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: of efficiency. And efficiency means you know, you don't have

1020
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: spare beds, it means when a crisis hits, there's no slack.

1021
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: Slack costs money. All I'm saying is like, it is

1022
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: true that we have massive structural impediments to delivering some

1023
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: of the goods that you talk about, But it is

1024
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: eye opening to see the degree to which it's very

1025
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: hard to find a human assemblage on the planet that

1026
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: does this particularly well, other than some you know, smaller

1027
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: homogeneous societies. You can say, look and Mark does this

1028
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: pretty well, but Denmark's like, you know, Manhattan plus queens.

1029
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: And I mean, and that's not said with any pejorative, right,

1030
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: It's just I think it's easier when there's fewer people

1031
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: and they're all somewhat related. I do have to say.

1032
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: I bribe all my doctors just to get better reports,

1033
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: better like which put from my height there, doctor dropped

1034
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: like twenty pounds from the weight and that cholesterol needs

1035
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: to come way down. Bro. You can bribe people here

1036
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: to get a driver's license to which is why it's

1037
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: really scary to drive here. Wow, all right, let's take

1038
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll come back and talk for like

1039
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: five minutes about vampires and then we'll let you guys

1040
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: go and we're back, and yeah, let's talk vampires. Vampires

1041
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: are back. I mean, I guess we should. We should

1042
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: start off with the most important question, him rights most

1043
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: important question for our guests, Emma and Zachary. Our vampire

1044
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: fangs hollow like straws, so they can drink the blood

1045
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: through the fangs or are they sharp pokers to create

1046
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: a wound to drink from. Okay, I feel like there's

1047
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: only one answer to this question, is the right answer,

1048
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: and that they must be like straws. Otherwise the drinking

1049
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to It doesn't work. You basically

1050
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: have to like rip open a massive wound. You couldn't

1051
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: have just like two pincers and then what lap up

1052
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: the blood? It would be like a little trickle. It

1053
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It's like an artery though, you know

1054
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. They're going for the jug deler maybe

1055
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: so you get good, good pressure, good good blood pressure

1056
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: coming out of there. But I do. But okay, I

1057
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: like that. Now I agree. I'm going with them here.

1058
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: This is huge because so we Miles and I like

1059
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: came up in the vampire game thinking that was how

1060
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: things worked, but like then and were made to feel

1061
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: stupid and like up until you guys just said that

1062
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: I had felt stupid. But maybe not. Maybe this is

1063
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: the truth. Maybe we were right all along, Miles. I

1064
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: guess the thing the Devil's Advocate is that, like capri Son,

1065
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, you can just punch a puncture hole and

1066
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: then just suck that thing dry, like you don't need

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Speaker 1: your teeth to uh. But there's one of the problem.

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Speaker 1: There's one of the problem with that picture, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you ever see a vampire, and of

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Speaker 1: course we've all seen real vampires, not just the movies.

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Speaker 1: If they were just two puncture wounds, you'd have to

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Speaker 1: first puncture and then you'd have to move your mouth

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Speaker 1: because you have to move your mouth up to the

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Speaker 1: puncture for suction. And that would be a totally different

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Speaker 1: That would be a two steps process on the neck

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Speaker 1: and right. And you don't. That's not how it works.

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Speaker 1: It's one and then it's a latch. And the latch

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Speaker 1: doesn't work if if the puncture is like significantly towards

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Speaker 1: your nose right and it's like plus, it's blocking the

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Speaker 1: hole in which the blood would be flowing from if

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Speaker 1: the fangs are still in there. Yeah. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying thank you, Okay, I mean, I guess we have

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Speaker 1: a We also have a less important update from the

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Speaker 1: world of vampires and Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly

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Speaker 1: have talked about liken to occasionally drink each other's blood.

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Speaker 1: Apparently m g K will cut his chest open with

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Speaker 1: broken shards of glass so that Fox can drink the blood.

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Speaker 1: And the vampire community was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: whoa Sorry, what did you say? Yeah? Yeah, real quotes

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Speaker 1: from vampire one man bel Fazzar Ashen Tuissan, the co

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Speaker 1: founder of the New Orleans Vampire Association. It wasn't sucking around,

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Speaker 1: he's saying most vampires again, it's just saying, you can't

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Speaker 1: just drink somebody's blood. What are you sick? You gotta

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Speaker 1: if you gotta know whose blood you're drinking. He says,

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Speaker 1: vampires to extend of research on their blood donors before

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Speaker 1: using even the slightest drop. And it says it took

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Speaker 1: him six months to get to know his blood donor

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Speaker 1: and feel comfortable before he would ingest the blood. Another

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Speaker 1: and then so and to the shards of glassing. Another

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Speaker 1: vampire father Sebastian, the founder of the Endless Night Vampire ball,

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Speaker 1: said you gotta be careful, You gotta you you. You

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Speaker 1: gotta use like medical procedures to perfect have the blood

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Speaker 1: withdrawn properly. Otherwise it's you're you're looking at a terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible mistake or you know, potential harmful issues. So I

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Speaker 1: just like that the vampires came out to them and

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Speaker 1: we're saying, this ain't some fucking movie where you just

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Speaker 1: starts sluck sucking on a bloody wound get real. You

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Speaker 1: need to have the You need to have someone like

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Speaker 1: maybe phlebotomist on standby to properly do that. I love

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Speaker 1: the fact that there is a sufficient sub community that

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Speaker 1: has created and delineated a set of really strict and

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Speaker 1: and clear rules of engagement when it comes to how

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Speaker 1: you drink, what you drink, and from whom you drink

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Speaker 1: that It never really occurred to me to spend time

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Speaker 1: and energy mapping out the parameters of And that's the

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Speaker 1: really cool thing about subcommunities, right. You we go about

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Speaker 1: our lives thinking at such a point as you decide

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Speaker 1: that you want to actually drink someone's blood, it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty simple, basic transaction, kind of like Angelina Jolie and

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Speaker 1: Billy Bob Thornton. You know, you just you put a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a viol and your show up with

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Speaker 1: the oscars and and there you have it. But indeed,

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Speaker 1: you know there's some real serious expertise and complexity there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can talk about cannibalism and the next the

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Speaker 1: next time we talked, because I'm sure there too. You

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Speaker 1: know thermometers, temperature, you know minimum which cuts are better

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Speaker 1: storage seculents? Right? How do you how do you make

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Speaker 1: sure they don't reach for the wrong thing and the

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Speaker 1: cooler you know whatever. I'm sure it's all out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's all about community, you know what I mean saying

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01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: about building community is very important one New Orleans hit

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Speaker 1: up nova let Balfazzar, No, you're here for his safe

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Speaker 1: technocratic form of vampire ing. The is there like a

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Speaker 1: vampire name generator? Because like is bel Fazzar Ashton? Is

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Speaker 1: that his? Is that this person's legal name? Or do

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Speaker 1: you when you fall into vampiresm you're like holding now

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Speaker 1: this is my like confirmation saint name belfaz goan Rice

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Speaker 1: Corpus and try to find you know your spirit, your

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Speaker 1: spirit vampire name. It might be his legal name if

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Speaker 1: he changed it, but it's certainly not his given name.

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Speaker 1: There's no one unless he comes from a line of

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Vampire Association. True, true, Well, guys, it's been

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Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on t d Z. Where can

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Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? So

1145
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1146
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Speaker 1: also called what Could Go Right, and that's on the

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Speaker 1: Progress network website, which is the Progress Network dot org. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and think about it as kind of a

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Speaker 1: yen to this yang. Yeah right, balance in the force.

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Speaker 1: And is there a tweet or some of the work

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Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying? Um, so, not quite

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Speaker 1: a tweet, but a tweet to an article which was um.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Kelly, he was one of the founding editors of

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Speaker 1: wire ad magazine. He turned seventy last week and he

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Speaker 1: put out this list called hundred and three Bits of

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Speaker 1: Advice I wish I knew. It's really great. It's completely random,

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Speaker 1: there's absolutely no order and just like gems throughout. So

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Speaker 1: I recommend that it's on his website called SECNOI UM,

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Speaker 1: I think, okay, how about you use Degrey so just

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Speaker 1: for for funny tweet land. Yeah, there's a woman named

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Speaker 1: Eden Dranger who as a hilarious set of ever new

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Speaker 1: Twitter feeds. One of our recent ones is whenever I

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Speaker 1: feel ugly, I just remember that I'm a terrible person too.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Uh, and the others we should have

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Speaker 1: to answer like five security questions before making any late

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Speaker 1: night online purchases. Yeah, wise words. I gotta identify which

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Speaker 1: square has the boat in it before you make it,

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Speaker 1: and I'll leave you. I'll leave you with the final

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Speaker 1: one of hers. If I was a marriage counselor, I

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Speaker 1: just let the couple log onto any dating app for

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Speaker 1: two minutes. There you go. Miles, where can people find

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Speaker 1: you with the tweet you've been enjoying? Uh? Find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. If you

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Speaker 1: Fiance with your Boy and Sophia Alexandra. A tweet I like.

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Speaker 1: First one is from Natasha Leone because I've been watching

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Russian Doll the new season, and

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Speaker 1: so whenever I see her tweets, I can't help but

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Speaker 1: hear it in her voice at and Leone tweeted, holcome,

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Speaker 1: no one talks about WAP anymore? You guys used to

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Speaker 1: love whap Random Natasha leon And tweeting uh, and then

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Speaker 1: another one from a Sante's in Fronto tweeted, I love

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Speaker 1: that when British people sing they cut out all that bullshit.

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Speaker 1: That was like when I heard like like an interview,

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Speaker 1: like like led Zeppelin the first time ever as a kid,

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Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what what? But sometimes you know,

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Speaker 1: Green Day adds back in from our from our end

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Speaker 1: Sudden we were British again tweet I've been enjoying jin

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Speaker 1: Marco SORESI tweeted, Oh you don't like cargo shorts, let

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Speaker 1: me check my forty six pockets for a funk to give.

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Speaker 1: like the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,

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Speaker 1: what song do we think people might enjoy it? We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do an instrumental version a cover by this group

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Speaker 1: Soul Supreme of the track by most Stuff called Umi

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Speaker 1: says a lot of people know that song, and he

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Speaker 1: said s I that I don't know world, but this

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Speaker 1: is a great instrumental cover of it, even more soul.

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Speaker 1: So this is souls some dreams, the version of whom

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