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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot

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Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,

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Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And it is a Tuesday at eleven

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Speaker 1: thirty and that means one thing and one thing only.

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Speaker 1: It is time for another edition of Mick SHOT's Bill

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Speaker 1: Jones along with Mickey Spagnola inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios

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Speaker 1: at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. Everson can't

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Speaker 1: be here this week, he will be back next week.

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Speaker 1: And Mickey, I will tell you right off the top.

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Speaker 1: I have spent a busy morning. Let me get it,

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Speaker 1: Let me get it out of my briefcase here inside

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Speaker 1: my big green NFL Draft scouting notebook, and I am

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Speaker 1: getting into this stuff now. I sment this morning on linebackers,

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Speaker 1: outside linebackers, inside linebackers, and I've got some opinions to share,

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Speaker 1: and I know you do also, and I want to

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Speaker 1: hear your thoughts and all that stuff. But first off,

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Speaker 1: how you doing on this fine Tuesday morning, the day

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Speaker 1: after the Baylor Bears went a national champion. How about

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Speaker 1: those Baylor Bears. That was pretty surgical last night, wasn't it,

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Speaker 1: the way they were able to play? And boy, you know,

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Speaker 1: after I saw Saturday's games and kind of in the

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Speaker 1: back of my mind, I was going, no, Gonzaga could

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Speaker 1: be in trouble because I don't know how well they're

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Speaker 1: gonna match up if Baylor plays as well as they can,

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Speaker 1: and they played better than I thought they could. That

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Speaker 1: was unbelievable offense defense. I guess I don't know that

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Speaker 1: their special teams in basketball, but that was pretty darn

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Speaker 1: impressive the way their guards were able to play, and

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Speaker 1: then their big guys inside kind of dominated the board.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, surprising a little bit, but you know what,

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Speaker 1: they were pretty darn good. If they hadn't had that

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Speaker 1: their little pause there, they may have been the team

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Speaker 1: that went undefeated this entire season, that's right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they had the COVID issue that set them out for

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Speaker 1: they were unbeaten going into that and weren't obviously weren't

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Speaker 1: as sharp and lost a couple of games and then

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Speaker 1: but they got over it soon enough to make their

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Speaker 1: run and get back on track. You know the thing

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Speaker 1: with when watching Gonzaga throughout the tournament, I felt like

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Speaker 1: I was watching in most of their games up until

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Speaker 1: the Final four, and UCLA just played a fun nominal

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Speaker 1: game on Saturday night, But it was like I was

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Speaker 1: watching the varsity against the jv when Gonzaga was playing.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know, they played Oklahoma in the second round,

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Speaker 1: and Oklahoma they were missing their second best player of

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Speaker 1: the point guard, but they probably played as well as

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Speaker 1: they could play in that game against Gonzaga and still

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Speaker 1: lost by sixteen points. But that's the way Gonzaga had

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Speaker 1: played all season. It was at twenty seven straight games

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Speaker 1: where they had won by double figures. But then when

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Speaker 1: you get to the Final four and that Saturday night game,

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Speaker 1: Ucla shot fifty eight percent and Gonzaga shot fifty nine

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Speaker 1: percent in that game and Jalen sugs Switching it back

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Speaker 1: to football here, Mickey, Yes, when I find so interesting

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Speaker 1: not only about when I start digging into the Big

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Speaker 1: Green NFL draft scouting notebook, but then even in March madness,

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Speaker 1: when you start learning about the players. I hadn't followed

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Speaker 1: college basketball very closely throughout the season outside of the

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Speaker 1: one kid from from Dallas drew Timmy from Richardson Pearce.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know much about their team. Then I started

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Speaker 1: digging into Jalen Suggs. You know, Suggs was mister football

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Speaker 1: and mister basketball at Minni Haha Academy in Minneapolis, and

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Speaker 1: he was going to go to Clemson and he was

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Speaker 1: gonna be Trevor Lawrence's or he would follow Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: at quarterback at Clemson if he had gone that route.

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Speaker 1: And so when he becomes draft eligible, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have him inside my big green notebook here in a

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Speaker 1: year or so. And I'm already proposing right now that

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys select Jalen Suggs in the seventh round as

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, even though he will be starring in the

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Speaker 1: NBA at that point. Yeah, he's a boy, just a

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Speaker 1: polished individual as a freshman. By the way, the way

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Speaker 1: you remember? Don't you remember practicing basketball and and and

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Speaker 1: goofing around before practice started and taking half chord shots.

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Speaker 1: You knew when it's going in? You know, you you

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Speaker 1: but what set Baylor apart not only their three point shooting. Okay,

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Speaker 1: to football here, mickey. Okay, they've got they had firepower

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Speaker 1: on offense. But what the difference in that national championship

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Speaker 1: game was defense. Yes, And Gonzaga is known to be

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Speaker 1: able to shoot threes also, and Baylor was ten for

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Speaker 1: so shooting basically fifty percent. But they were closing out

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Speaker 1: what Baylor did all season long, is they did it

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Speaker 1: with defense, which gets us back to the Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: doing it with some defense. You have to be able

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Speaker 1: at least halfway decent defense. It's unlike last year. It

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Speaker 1: was a total collapse and you basically we're needing to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So you're right, this whole thing this year

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Speaker 1: going forward. You figure, as as soon as the offensive

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Speaker 1: be last year, this offense will be fine. The question

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Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about the draft where the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys set after basically what has been the second tier

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Speaker 1: of free agency. Now the quarterback carousel in this league

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Speaker 1: So I was like, has that ever happened before? The

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Speaker 1: best I could find. In nineteen ninety nine, the first

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Speaker 1: so it's been three in a row, but I'd never

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Speaker 1: then there's you know, possibility that Atlanta goes with Trey Lance.

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Speaker 1: best defensive player in the draft. And I didn't mention

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Speaker 1: the tight end too. Uh, there's a chance that they'll

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Speaker 1: And so maybe that is what's pushing down the defensive

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Speaker 1: started talking about Mac Jones, Well, well, nine days ago,

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Speaker 1: And it's just funny how things change as we lead

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Speaker 1: But it's not unusual to have a quarterback climb like that.

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Speaker 1: Uh as far as the uh we in the media

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Speaker 1: here Mac Jones is. He's he's the number three pick

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Speaker 1: understand it. They're looking for a quarterback that has played

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Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. It's very accurate. You know, everybody gets

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Speaker 1: all enamored with arm strength, right or size, and just

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Speaker 1: watch this kid play quarterback. He knows how to play quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And you're right about the evaluation process, because I'm sure

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Speaker 1: when Carolina traded for Darnold, everybody's like, what do they

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Speaker 1: want with him well, Matt Rule and in their offensive

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Speaker 1: court Nader Brady. They know a little bit about quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: a guy that what did he go like number three

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Speaker 1: levels like in the end zone at AT and T Stadium.

429
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Speaker 1: And so when you look at the stands, there are

430
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: empty seats all around. But I think that it was legitimate. Uh,

431
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, they consider it a capacity crowd to sell out,

432
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: even though they didn't reach the paid attendance of forty thousand,

433
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: five hundred. But it was interesting to see the attitudes

434
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: of people getting out and about and um, and there's

435
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: a sense of a returned to some sort of normalcy

436
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: going on now. And the you know, they they built

437
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: up the area, the entertainment district there in Arlington where

438
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: people can go to restaurants and bars prior to and

439
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: after the game and during the game. Uh, those seemed

440
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: to be full yesterday too. So and I'm sure we

441
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: are and I'm sure everybody wore a mask for nine innings, right, Yeah,

442
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: I didn't see anyone without a mask on. You know.

443
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I did see one guy. He was

444
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: working on the same hot dog the entire game. I

445
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: heard about that he nursed a hot dog to so

446
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: that when the usher came by and said, can you

447
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: put your mask, I'm eating my hot dog. It was

448
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: a nine inning hot dog. And it wasn't it wasn't

449
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: the three footer or whatever, that big old dog they

450
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: sell out there is by the cheapest hot dog, which

451
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: is still you know, probably eight dollars, and uh, and

452
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: work on that, you know, And and I caught a

453
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: couple interviews, and it might have been on your station.

454
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: They interviewed some guy about being out there and he goes, yeah,

455
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: it's great to be outdoors at the game, and you

456
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: don't have to wear a mask anymore. And I'm going

457
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: where where this guy's missing out on something? Mirror? But

458
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: he that's what that was the cut. Yeah, you don't

459
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: have to wear a mask anymore. It's like, Okay, you know,

460
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot Bicky. There's a lot of people in

461
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: this world, including I've got three daughters and three son

462
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: in laws. They don't watch the news very all. No,

463
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: people don't. That's why when I see stuff on the

464
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: news or these or these type of news shows on television,

465
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: and I hear people preaching and I said, oh, it's

466
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: finding Dandy j. You're saying all this, But the people

467
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: that need to hear this, I'm sorry they're not watching.

468
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: Having said that, I will say this, my youngest daughter

469
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: is she has a mask on more than anybody in

470
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: the family. Um, and I mean she's uh and so,

471
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know that she knows

472
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: what channel I'm on. That shows how little she has

473
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: watched the news in her life. In fact, let me

474
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: this is this is a when she was in college.

475
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: She called me one Friday night and said, Dad, what

476
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: is it again that you do for a living? She

477
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: was with friends out and I exaggerate. She didn't know

478
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Speaker 1: what I do for a living, but she didn't know

479
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: exactly what I do for a living anyway. All right,

480
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: after I throw her under the bush, let's throw the Dallas.

481
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Let's throw this Cowboys defense under the bus from last year. Um,

482
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: all right, we's been told and retold most points given

483
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: up in Cowboys history. Y'all want to ask you specifically though,

484
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: about the front seven. We talk a lot about cornerback,

485
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and obviously there's a need there. There's a need at

486
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: safety as well, but let's talk front seven, and what

487
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: do you think the biggest need is for the Cowboys

488
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: right now as they set three weeks away from the draft,

489
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: in the front seven on their defense. I still think

490
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: it's linebacker. I think with what they have up front

491
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: that they could play tomorrow with Lawrence and Randy Gregor

492
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: defensive end. And you know they let me rephrase that.

493
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that not only this year but in

494
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: the coming years too. Okay, right when we're talking about

495
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: the draft. We're not just talking needs this year, but

496
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: we're talking needs when you look at contracts and so

497
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: forth going forward, what is the biggest needs? Yeah, and

498
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Speaker 1: if you're looking at the biggest need meeting first round, right,

499
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: because you can get, by the way, a starter in

500
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Speaker 1: the second round Sean Lee. You can get a starter

501
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: in the third round if you look at what they

502
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: found with MALIEK. Collins. And I think MALIEK. Collins and

503
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore are pretty comparable type players. But if you're

504
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: looking to get the best defensive player in the first round,

505
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: to me, there's a couple of linebackers there that are

506
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: going to go in the first round. I think Micah

507
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: Parsons is good enough to go at number ten, but

508
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: there's other linebackers. The Cowboys were at the Ohio State workout,

509
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: and you know, they saw a couple really good linebackers

510
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: that could go in the first round. Maybe not as

511
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Speaker 1: high as ten, but again, there's always trade down to

512
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: get to somebody you want to get. Ce Travis Frederick.

513
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: I just think that linebacker cord needs to be, you know, restructured.

514
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: We mentioned Layton Vanderish, and you can have him for

515
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: another year or two Jalen Smith, if you get him

516
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: in the right spot. But to me, this and you know,

517
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: we talked about it in the break. From what I

518
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: saw of Michael Parsons. You know, boy Lawrence Taylor comes

519
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: to mind. And I know the comparisons and people that

520
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: compare the draft, it's more Luke Keikley and guys like that,

521
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: the guys in in Seattle, but the guys do and

522
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: that probably didn't see Lawrence Taylor play. But that's what

523
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: this guy reminds me of because I also see some

524
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: pass rush capability out of him from the linebacker spot.

525
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be on the line of scrimmage.

526
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: He's got instincts that you can't teach. So to me,

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00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: I think it's worth their consideration. While everybody's just assuming

528
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a corner, well take a look at

529
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: this guy and see if he can come in and

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00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: be one of your I mean, he instantly would be

531
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: one of your top three linebackers. And I got no

532
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: problems taking a linebacker that high, you know. And the

533
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: thing on Michael Parsons when he was in high school,

534
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: he was a hand in the dirt. My understanding is

535
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: he was a hand in the dirt rush defensive end.

536
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: I was listening to Ross Tucker, former cowboy Ross Tucker,

537
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: who does a really good job with his podcast and

538
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: so forth, and he is. Michael Parsons went to high

539
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: school not far from where Ross Tucker apparently lives, so

540
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: he saw him play in high school. And so he

541
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: has made the adjustment to be a stand up linebacker

542
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: at Penn State. And of course he did not play

543
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: he opted out this past season, but it was played

544
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: at an All American level, and so there are some

545
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: things as a linebacker in coverage where he obviously has

546
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 1: the athletic ability to do it. He just hasn't as

547
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: far as being able to read things and so forth.

548
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: He hasn't played the position as long as some others

549
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: and doesn't have the reps as some others have. But

550
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: when I mean, when you're talking about a guy who

551
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: runs a four three nine, which is what he timed

552
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: with a cone drill under seven, and just he looks

553
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: like when he sniffs out a play, the play is

554
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: sniffed out mickey right when when you look at his

555
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: highlight tape, you know, but I do think that you

556
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: need to and I haven't been able to do this

557
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: yet with him. I think you have to look at

558
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: full games to see exactly, you know, light not highlights, right, yeah, right, exactly.

559
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean you can you can see things on a

560
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: highlight tape, how is closing speed, and it's impressive stuff.

561
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: But there is any number of these linebackers or any

562
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: position where you can put a resume tape together and

563
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: look really, really good. And so so I'm still in

564
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: the process of st dying Parsons as far as is

565
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, snap in, snap out what he has done.

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00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: For instance, there's another guy out of Notre Dame, Jeremiah

567
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: wos Karamara. Yeah, we don't want that. We don't want that.

568
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: And you know what, And I do think it's funny

569
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: you say that. I do you know I did that.

570
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: At first, I was like, Okay, I'm looking at my list.

571
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Parsons. I got Zavin Collins here, I

572
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: got Nick Bolton out of Missouri. And then I get

573
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: to the fourth guy on my list, Jeremiah Oosu what

574
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I left him off. I said, ah,

575
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna mess with him. Hopefully they hopefully the

576
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't draft him. I don't want to have to

577
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: learn that name, and so I just kind of put

578
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: him out of my mind. Well, Mickey, I started looking

579
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: at him this morning. Jeremiah oh Woosu Koramoa from Notre

580
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: Dame six one, two twenty one pounds. Apparently he didn't

581
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: run the forty yet his pro day, but he had

582
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: a six eighty cone drill and thirty seven vertical. But

583
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: the biggest thing on him. Go look at him, and

584
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm making an animized guy as a second rate pro

585
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: football focus as him as a second rted to play

586
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: as a Buckas Award winner. The thing, he's a different

587
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: tight player than Michael Parsons though where I talk about

588
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons was an edge rusher handing the dirt high

589
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: school player and then became a linebacker at the college level.

590
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: Ousu Coamoa came from the other way. He's a safety

591
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: who has become a linebacker, which is when you look

592
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: at what the NFL has has become over the course

593
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: of the last ten years or so, those hybrid safeties

594
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: who become linebackers, and you know, seventy five percent of

595
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: the time you're in a nickel package his sub packages.

596
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: This guy there's a lot of times where I'm looking

597
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: at his tape, I'm going, where is number six on

598
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: the field. Well, he's lined up, he's covering the slot.

599
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: He's way out on the on the perimeter, and he

600
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: comes up and makes place. I mean, he's got some

601
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: brutal hits that he has laid on guys Um. And

602
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: but I am really impressed with Ousa Cooramoa. And uh.

603
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: But it's but again, it's a he's got some of

604
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: the same elements qualities that that Parsons has, but he's

605
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: got some other stuff too where you can use him,

606
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: you know, or as Parsons, you can use him maybe

607
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: as an edge rusher at times whatever. Ousa Cormoa has

608
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: that ability too, but he can also cover and uh.

609
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: And so I suggest you take a closer look at

610
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Ousa Cooramoa and get past the name and dive in

611
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: on him. And and he's a he's a very intelligent

612
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: guy too. I was listening to his interview, but a

613
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: very versatile player has a lot of intelligence instincts. I

614
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: mean he is a I mean people people throw around

615
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: them the word great a lot. He's got a lot

616
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: of potential to be a really good player in this league. Yeah.

617
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: His his highlights. They're playing right now. Pretty impressive. UM

618
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, and you know and he so what is he?

619
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: Is he a junior out or has he been there

620
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: four years? Do you have that he's been there four years?

621
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: He red shirted? He you know, it's interesting on that too.

622
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: He red shirted his uh fresh true freshman year and

623
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. Uh. I believe he got hurt his

624
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: second year. Okay, and only he only played in two games.

625
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: But he is the last two years, he has started

626
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: twenty five games with twenty four and a half tackles

627
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: for loss, UH seven sacks, UM, five forced fumbles, and

628
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: UH seven pass breakups. UH. And I mean he is UH.

629
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: There are some really good things that I've I've seen

630
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: from him in coverage where he looks like he's got

631
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: no problem at all, even covering a guy in a

632
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: slot or a running back coming out of the backfield. UH.

633
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: And again, I mean there are some there are some

634
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: uh formations where he is way out on the perimeter

635
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: in coverage where I mean I'm looking for him in

636
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: a linebacker spot and he's like covering a wide slot

637
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: on the on the wide side of the field. See

638
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: and when you said it, I'm saying, well, he's a

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Speaker 1: little under size, but I guarantee you in a year

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Speaker 1: playing at two thirty two thirty something, which is fine,

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Speaker 1: and that's the beauty of it. A week side line,

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Speaker 1: that's right, and in the sub packages. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's that's what they're doing with Keyan O'Neil. I

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Speaker 1: mean Keyan O'Neill when they when they say they're working

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Speaker 1: him with the linebackers to start off with. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's going to be very interesting is how the decisions

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Speaker 1: they make on vander Esh and Jalen Smith and the

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Speaker 1: nickel and who comes off the field or who finds

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Speaker 1: a different role. If they're going to have Kean O'Neil

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Speaker 1: as one of those nickel linebackers, which I assume that

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Speaker 1: they're looking at, it won't just be as a dime linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be as a nickel where he's he's

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Speaker 1: alongside vander Esh. And then what do you do with

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith? Do you sometimes use him as a edge

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Speaker 1: rusher or at times as he standing by Dan Quinn

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Speaker 1: on the sideline yeah, and to me, the best spot

658
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Speaker 1: for him, meaning Jalen Smith is a strong side linebacker

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Speaker 1: if you're going to have three on the field, and

660
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Speaker 1: so there's room for another linebacker. I like Layton vander

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Speaker 1: esh in the middle. I think he has good command

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Speaker 1: of the game, he sees things. And so now what

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Speaker 1: are you going to do on the week side, because

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Speaker 1: I just don't think I think that is a that

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Speaker 1: is not Jalen Smith's position. I just think if he's

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Speaker 1: not in the middle, then he's got to be on

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Speaker 1: the strong side. Uh. Okay, And you know the way

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Speaker 1: I the way I interpreted what he said about Neil uh,

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Speaker 1: he said he would start off at linebacker. I think

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Speaker 1: he said it in the vein that he knows the

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Speaker 1: safety position. You know, he doesn't need to train there.

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Speaker 1: We need to see what he can do at the

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Speaker 1: linebacker spot, right and U and tell yeah, it remains

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Speaker 1: to be seen how he is uh employed Uh once

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Speaker 1: the season gets going. I mean it may just be

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Speaker 1: right during the offseason, uh and learning the linebacker spot,

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Speaker 1: uh and see what he can do there. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: along those lines, then all right, if let's say they

679
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Speaker 1: just they decide, like you that Jalen Smith's best position

680
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Speaker 1: is as a SAM linebacker. What about in the nickel?

681
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Speaker 1: Then for Jalen Smith, what are they do with him? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if they if they draft a

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Speaker 1: Parsons or on Nousu Koramoa or someone who can be

684
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Speaker 1: the will and you got Layton as a as a

685
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Speaker 1: MIC linebacker, where is Jalen Smith on the field or

686
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Speaker 1: is he on the field in the nickel? He's next

687
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Speaker 1: to Dan Quinn and unless he can show you know,

688
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Speaker 1: you mentioned his ability to maybe rush from a defensive

689
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Speaker 1: end spot, but if you go back and look at

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Speaker 1: when he is uh kind of rushed the quarterback, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he's standing on the line of scrimmage, he didn't

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Speaker 1: get there. He did a better job of blitzing from

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Speaker 1: a linebacker spot than he did I think from a

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Speaker 1: stand up defensive lineman spot or the other thing I

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Speaker 1: thought where he was effective is when they would they

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Speaker 1: would mess around with the defensive alignment on definite passing

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Speaker 1: downs and you had an extra linebacker on and you

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Speaker 1: didn't know who was coming and who wasn't, and he

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Speaker 1: would he would blitz. I thought he did a better

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Speaker 1: job with a running start than he did playing off

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Speaker 1: a three hundred and thirty pound offensive tackle. Head up God,

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Speaker 1: and that's where he's Jeeves your walk around uh Blitzer.

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Speaker 1: And that way, he takes this spot of one of

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Speaker 1: those four down linemen where you got your two your

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Speaker 1: two linebacker I'm talking in the nickel, where you got

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Speaker 1: your two linebackers, and then he takes one of the

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Speaker 1: spots of a d tackle where he's a walk around

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Speaker 1: guy and kind of like the way Clowney's been used

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Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, exactly, and work because because you can't.

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Speaker 1: You cannot, even though he may have the traits to

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Speaker 1: be an edge rusher, unless you train him as an

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Speaker 1: edge rusher meeting snaps in practice where he's working against

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Speaker 1: an offensive tackle as an edge rusher, you can't expect

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Speaker 1: him to be successful doing it. And so you have

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Speaker 1: to make the decision from day one of the dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn era as the defensive coordinator that Jalen, we think

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Speaker 1: you're going to be most effectively used in this role,

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Speaker 1: and so we are going to work you there are

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Speaker 1: times you're going to be working against an offensive tackle

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Speaker 1: and pass rush drills. Yeah, absolutely, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about guys in the first round, but second,

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Speaker 1: But you still need to address that linebacker position, all right,

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Speaker 1: And I've got a couple of other names I want

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Speaker 1: of course, yes, yeah, all right. A couple of other

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Speaker 1: linebackers that I want to ask you about. I've got

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Speaker 1: one that I really like who I'm gonna save. But

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Speaker 1: first I want to ask you about Nick Bolton, a

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Speaker 1: Missouri Tiger out of Frisco, Texas lone star high school,

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Speaker 1: right there in the Cowboys backyard. A linebacker, Nick Bolton.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me you, Missouri Tiger. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that he probably will be a late first

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Speaker 1: round pick. But he's one of those guys that sort

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Speaker 1: of remind me, and this used to be a term

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Speaker 1: for guys that are really scrappy, tough linebackers back in

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Speaker 1: the day. He's like a junkyard dog. The guy reads

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Speaker 1: plays awfully well. He's not the biggest guy. He's pretty quick,

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Speaker 1: and he's pretty darned strong, and when he hits you,

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Speaker 1: you'll know you've been hip. So I think that's a

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Speaker 1: guy that if somebody gets him in the twenties, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a steal. He was the Missouri defense this year,

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Speaker 1: and a couple of times when he was out, if

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Speaker 1: he had an injury or he got had to sit

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Speaker 1: for a hit or something, they were lost without him

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Speaker 1: on the field field, and he is a team leader.

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Speaker 1: Whoever ends up with him, it's gonna fall in love

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Speaker 1: with Nick Bolton. Yeah. Well, he's another one that I

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Speaker 1: was watching this morning. I said, WHOA, I gotta ask

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Speaker 1: Mickey about Nick Bolton. I like that kid, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and he ran a four or five nine at his

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Speaker 1: Pro day twenty four bench reps, and that that strength

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Speaker 1: and assertiveness shows on tape and his high football IQ

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Speaker 1: shows up too. Uh. You know where you can just

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Speaker 1: see on tape where his read and react uh is

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Speaker 1: up there amongst the best in this class and against

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Speaker 1: high quality competition. I mean, this is a two time

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Speaker 1: first team All SEC linebacker. When you're the best linebacker

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Speaker 1: in the SEC, that says a lot about you right there.

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Speaker 1: Uh and uh. He is a he seems like a

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Speaker 1: A to point B in a hurry because he knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's read he in fact, I was

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Speaker 1: reading some stories on him even as he was selected.

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Speaker 1: This shows what kind of work ethic, what kind of

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Speaker 1: study habits he has where he's gonna. You know, Sean

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Speaker 1: Lee is the ultimate as far as a guy who

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Speaker 1: studies tape. But I think especially for a linebacker, you

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Speaker 1: have to live in that room where on your iPad

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Speaker 1: or whatever, studying your opponent. And here's an example of it.

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Speaker 1: As he was choosing his college. You know, he'd get

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Speaker 1: and he immediately is googling exactly what that school had

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Speaker 1: on their depth chart at linebacker and you know, and

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Speaker 1: finding out about their coaches and everything. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: got those study habit. It's that you want in a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I mean, because you can look at and I've run

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Speaker 1: just scratching the surface of some of these guys talent wise,

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Speaker 1: you can see that they've got the ability that they

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Speaker 1: can they can play. But what's going to set them

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Speaker 1: like quarterback on offense, the ability to process quickly as

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Speaker 1: a linebacker on defense is huge, Mickey. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: than two to end up being a team captain. I'll

851
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: guarantee you that. All right, love it, love Nick Bolton

852
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: right and right in the backyard of the Cowboys Frisco

853
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: lone Star High School. And he's a young guy too.

854
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean he's three years and out his true freshman year,

855
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: played in thirteen games at Missouri, then was a starter

856
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: his sophomore in junior years. All right, and now here's

857
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: the guy that I have fallen in love with. Zaven Collins,

858
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: number twenty three for the Tulsa Golden Hurricane, six five,

859
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty nine pounds. He ran anywhere between

860
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: you know these these pro day times, Yeah or Jay

861
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: fluctuate anywhere between a four or five four or five

862
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: seven and a four to six seven. He is a playmaker.

863
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: On What intrigues me the most about him though, I mean,

864
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: you talk about the Missouri defense not having anything when

865
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton wasn't on the field. How about the Tulsa

866
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: defense when Zaven Collins wasn't on the field. He won

867
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: outside of the Buttkas Award, which was won by a

868
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: Wusu Coromoa, he won the Nagurski Trophy, He won the

869
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: Betneric Award. He won the Lombardi Award, which says a

870
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: lot about his production. Eight games, four sacks, four interceptions,

871
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: eleven and a half tackles for a loss. He had

872
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Tulsa plan in the Tulsa played in the conference championship

873
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: game and lost, I believe in overtime on the last

874
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: second field goal. This guy what intrigues me the most

875
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: about him though, is when you talk about a guy

876
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: like a Jalen Smith, you know we're wishing that if

877
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: Jalen could just be able to rush the passer and

878
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: use that athletic ability. Zavan has done it at Tulsa,

879
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: and amongst those four sacks, it wasn't There were some

880
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: instinctual sacks timing a blitz from a linebacker spot, but

881
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: there are a couple where he's been in his shoulder

882
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: coming around the edge as an edge rusher. And I

883
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: mean he is six foot four and seven eights, so

884
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: six five, two hundred and fifty nine pounds, And I

885
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: mean you look at his testing numbers and compare it

886
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: to Marcus Ware very similar. And so I would I

887
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: would consider if Zaven Collins can prove and if the

888
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: Cowboys scouts look at him and say we can make

889
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: an edge rusher out of him, I got no problem

890
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: taking him as high as you want to take him.

891
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: Because this guy from a little school and from a

892
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: little town in Harmony, Oklahoma, graduating class of forty seven, Mickey,

893
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: he was valedictorian of his class, wants to be a

894
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: doctor someday. So he's got the smarts too well, you know,

895
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: class of forty seven, but he was valedictorian. Until you

896
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: told me about wanting to be a doctor, I thought

897
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: you were describing Rolando McClean for me. You know what

898
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: yell size wise and everything, McClean go to fifty. I

899
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: mean this guy was too sixty. Yeah, he was probably

900
00:55:54,200 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: round two. He was too sixty after it was he

901
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: was a few pancakes away from being two six sixty. Yeah,

902
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: McClain was probably two five, two fifty, but he was

903
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: tall and rangy, uh and and just athletic the way

904
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: you're explained. So I think we've come to a conclusion

905
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: that somewhere in those first couple of rounds, if not

906
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: the first, that linebacker needs to be addressed. Um, you know,

907
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: and it all depends on what you're saying. Okay, so

908
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: this guy versus another defensive tackle or a defensive end, um,

909
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, or an offensive tackle. So it all depends

910
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: on what's there. But you know, you kind of name

911
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: the position, and the Cowboys need one, uh you know,

912
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: short of a high pick on a quarterback. Um, maybe

913
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: not a running back, but other than that, yeah, why not.

914
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: So I think the you know, the pictures wide open

915
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: for him in this draft. And I think the other

916
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: thing about it is, you know, Beck, when Parcels coached,

917
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: even when you coach the Cowboys, the NFL was a

918
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: defensively it was a I'm running a three four. I've

919
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: got my prototype, guys, and you're not coming off a

920
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: three four and three four as your base and in

921
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: a nickel, I've got my four man front, two linebackers whatever.

922
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: Throw all that stuff out Now in the NFL, everything

923
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: is hybrid, and the more versatile players that you can have,

924
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: the better you can. You can find ways to employ

925
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: these highly athletic players that we've mentioned here now the

926
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: ones we've mentioned today, Michael Parsons, Jeremiah Usu, Kormoa, Zaven Collins.

927
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton is the one that I think he is.

928
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: He's probably you plug him in he's a linebacker and

929
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: not take nothing away from him. I don't see as

930
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: much versatility from Nick Bolton as what I can see

931
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: the how you can use Parsons of Woosa, Cormoa, and Collins,

932
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: which means those other three they intrigue me even as

933
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: first round draft picks. I think from the Cowboys sake,

934
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: you talked about Bolton being a late first round and

935
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: I think as an inside linebacker, unless you're Luke Keekley,

936
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 1: you're probably late mid to late first round or later.

937
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: You can find really good inside linebackers in the third round.

938
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: But with guys that have position flexibility like these other linebackers,

939
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I think that even with your existing linebacking corps that

940
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: you have, you can find ways where they can make

941
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: a huge impact even in their rookie year, if you've

942
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: got a creative defensive coordinator. Yeah, I think you're You're

943
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: absolutely right. And the one thing I was going to

944
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: ask you, Bill, and I don't know if you've gotten

945
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: to the offensive lineman, but there's a lot of people

946
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: looking at the problems that Cowboys had on offensive line

947
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: last year without the knowledge of who they had missing

948
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: and who it will be back. A lot of people saying, well,

949
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: you got to take an offensive tackle, these guys are

950
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: too good. Well, my opinion on that, I want to

951
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: see what you have to say is how many first

952
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: round picks do you need on your offensive line? At

953
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: some point you have a glutton of of you know,

954
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: precious resources in the same spot. To me, the Cowboys

955
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: would not have restructured the contracts of those offensive linemen

956
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: had they worried about Tyrant Smith and Lell Collins being

957
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: recovered from their surgeries and ready to play football still

958
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: in the draft. If they had worries about their physical condition,

959
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: they would not have extended their contracts. So to me,

960
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: taking a offense tackle at number ten, I think that

961
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: you're it's it's just too high. But somewhere in the

962
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: top four rounds, I think you've got to bring in

963
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: a young guy and start grooming them, uh for the future. Yeah,

964
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: and uh, I agree with you. I think you know

965
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: that's where the Cowboys have the medical knowledge. Uh. They

966
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: they've got the information that we don't have. But but

967
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: if you just follow the money, you follow what they

968
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: are have done, like what you're saying with Collins, with

969
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: Collins and Tyren Smith, Uh, it tips you off how

970
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: they the medical reports that they have on those players. Uh.

971
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: And as you've said, they do have a fallback where

972
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: Zach Martin can play right tackle if Lyle Collins doesn't

973
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: come back or has a setback. Uh. You know. The

974
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: other thing is even with the tackles that they had,

975
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, the undrafted guys they had last year, at

976
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: least they've got, you know, a season of NFL snaps

977
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: under their belt, you know, Terrence Steele and Brandon Knight

978
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: of where they could fill in maybe for a game

979
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: or two if if something happens with Tyring for a

980
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: couple of games. And so Yeah, and I think that

981
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: the beauty of this offensive line classes with those guys

982
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: that are projected higher, those offensive tackles, and with the

983
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going early, those guys are going to get pushed down,

984
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: and so you might even I think you can get

985
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: a quality offensive tackle who can also play guard, and

986
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: you might be able to plug in at left guard

987
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: to start in his career, and he can be your

988
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: swing tackle in case there's an injury at tackle or

989
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: you have Zach Martin go out and play tackle. So

990
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: because the guy's a rookie and you don't want to

991
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: over train him at too many different positions to over

992
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: taxes his brain, but I think that they're to your point.

993
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: I think there are offensive linemen that can uh start

994
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: immediately in the second or third round at an inside

995
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: at a guard position. And think about what the Cowboys

996
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: did previously with some of their offensive tackles. They started

997
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: at guard, right the guys in the second third round did,

998
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: yeah Collins did. If you go back to um guys

999
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: like flows Al Adams, I think started, I want to say,

1000
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: started inside and then moved out. So did Solomon Page,

1001
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: and we're going way back. But you know, now, Larry

1002
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: Allen did it the other way. He was inside and

1003
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: they moved him outside and necessity and then moved him

1004
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: back in. But yeah, I think I just think doing

1005
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: that in the first round as an embarrassment of riches.

1006
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: Uh to to have another first round pick as an

1007
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: offensive tackle when you need help defensively, Uh, you can

1008
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: get And it's not like these guys are going to

1009
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: be the last first round offensive tackles in the history

1010
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Right, there's always next year. Uh. So

1011
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: I just think that you know what happens when you

1012
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: do that, Mickey, what's that? You know what happens when

1013
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: you do that when you ves so many first rounders

1014
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: in offensive lineman that eventually you're going to have a

1015
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: season in which your defense gives up the most points

1016
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: of franchising. No, you're yeah, and you don't have those

1017
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: guys on the field. So when you mentioned le Collins,

1018
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: I've got the ability that at times to see him

1019
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: working out and he's moving awfully, awfully well and h

1020
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: and another guy moving awfully well is is Dak Prescott.

1021
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,959
Speaker 1: He can do you a for for cone drill right

1022
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 1: now and moving awfully well too. So they I don't

1023
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: think they have any reservations about him being ready. Uh,

1024
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, for some stuff in the offseason, if there

1025
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: is some stuff in the off season, but for sure

1026
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: for the start of training him. Okay, Mickey, do we

1027
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: wrap this up? What position group would you like for

1028
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: me to study for next week's edition. We'll just be

1029
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: two weeks away from the draft. Where do you want

1030
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: to explore next week? Well, you've done a good job.

1031
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: Do your own research too. How about how about um

1032
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: inside like defensive guys, defensive tackles, not not first round guys,

1033
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: maybe second, third, fourth, somewhere in there. Because you know,

1034
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: if you look at the guys they signed in free agency,

1035
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: these guys are all on one year deals. They're they're

1036
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: just kind of like putty right now, and they are

1037
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: cheap one year deal. Yes, right, So there's nothing that

1038
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: says they're making so much money. They gotta they gotta

1039
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: be on the field or they you know, they get

1040
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: the first chance. You know that there's going to be

1041
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: some competition, So give me some competition at the defensive

1042
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: tackle spot along with Tristan Hill, who is moving awfully

1043
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: well too, by the way, coming back for him his

1044
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: torn acl All right, Uh, we got Hiah, We're already

1045
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: over Triston Hill. Can you can you see can you

1046
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: see Dan Quinn playing Tristan Hill at the one technique?

1047
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: I think he I don't know that he has the

1048
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: style in gallabor on the field. At the same time, Yeah,

1049
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's got the size to depending

1050
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: on a guess on how you're playing that one technique, right,

1051
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: are you playing a true one technique nose tackle or

1052
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: do you want a guy uh sort of the way

1053
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: Marinelli liked and you know, even though you had a

1054
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: nose tackle or a one technique, this guy was getting

1055
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: up the field. He wanted guys getting up the field

1056
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: and being disruptive. I think Hill can do that, but

1057
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how well he would hold up, uh,

1058
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: play after play against the run in that spot if

1059
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: he's getting double team. But what we're looking for, we're

1060
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Speaker 1: looking for the Dallas d defence up front of the nineties,

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Speaker 1: where you're rotating guys in there and and so what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna find for you next week is Dan Quinn's

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Speaker 1: fifth round three technique Grady Jarrett that he found in

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. That's what I'm going to be looking for.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you some possibilities for later in the

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Speaker 1: draft defensive tackle. Next week, we might, Mickey, we might

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Speaker 1: have to do a draft show yew that's right, kind

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Speaker 1: of did one today? Yes, absolutely talk at you next week. Thanks,

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