Speaker 1: What's up everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Anissa Ferreira and I'm Tory Deal and this is
Speaker 2: emptv's official Challenge podcast. Okay, actually I would prefer for
Speaker 2: you to be me because I would love to be you.
Speaker 2: And let's get to the episode, which is more important
Speaker 2: than us absolutely butchering this intro.
Speaker 1: What did you think of this incredible episode?
Speaker 3: A mesa?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Domino motherfucker?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: It was great. I still am unsure of what we
Speaker 1: were playing, but I liked watching people try and figure
Speaker 1: it out. I think that the producers really find a
Speaker 1: way to make every game just unique, and it boggles
Speaker 1: my mind. And it's quite impressive that they keep kind
Speaker 1: of like upping the ante and and still have the
Speaker 1: ability to make shit creative.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like every think about all of the
Speaker 2: shows that they have, all the spinoffs, the amount, and
Speaker 2: they still come up with all of these new games.
Speaker 4: It literally blows my mind, Like we really do next time?
Speaker 2: Can we give production a little applause sound bite?
Speaker 1: They deserve it.
Speaker 2: It's been it's been an incredible season so far, and
Speaker 2: this challenge was awesome.
Speaker 1: Domino motherfucker amazing.
Speaker 2: I know, Avery and Adam wont it. I wasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: expecting them to win. I wasn't not expecting them to win,
Speaker 2: but I think that they were able to show up
Speaker 2: in this episode and show their strengths again. They both
Speaker 2: completed the first challenge first and well actually they both
Speaker 2: completed it in second place for their heat for the
Speaker 2: guys heat the girls.
Speaker 1: Heat, and it's just, you know, nice to see them
Speaker 1: getting another win.
Speaker 2: And I think that they're obviously putting themselves on the
Speaker 2: radar for somebody to look out for in terms of politician.
Speaker 1: Especially Oh it's just killed. It keeps killing stuff. God absolutely.
Speaker 2: And then the middle group, I mean, like it was
Speaker 2: really interesting. I was not expecting, like Rachel to be
Speaker 2: at the bottom. I wasn't expecting Veronica to be at
Speaker 2: the bottom or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it Tina, Rachel said it exactly the way
Speaker 1: it was. It was muscle on muscle. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: okay to admit that sometimes. But they're also I think
Speaker 1: you know games where they kind of like you can
Speaker 1: rain man through it if you're like it's something just
Speaker 1: clicks and you just do it. I don't think that
Speaker 1: this was the one, and I think it was easy
Speaker 1: to get confused or you know, bring the wrong piece
Speaker 1: and then have to run it back. And as we
Speaker 1: will hear later, and as we've heard from to contestants
Speaker 1: that it's hot as hell where they are, so factor
Speaker 1: all of that in it definitely makes this hard challenge
Speaker 1: for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And I think it becomes harder when you
Speaker 2: have a significant other playing the game because when somebody loses,
Speaker 2: and in this game, if you lose, you have the
Speaker 2: chance of.
Speaker 1: Going into elimination, and we got to see that. But
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's also great because you have somebody
Speaker 1: advocating for you.
Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: But I want to go on a show where my
Speaker 1: girlfriend Cam, it's a different camp where the same different
Speaker 1: you know, my wife Cam comes in and just you know,
Speaker 1: tells everyone like, no, you're not voting for my wife,
Speaker 1: like everybody needs. That would be great if everybody had that,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're smart for not being on the
Speaker 1: same team. I would have never picked you as a teammate.
Speaker 1: You know, no death like you gotta spread you gotta
Speaker 1: spread it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think my statement comes from just wondering about the
Speaker 2: emotional strain that puts on Cam now, oh, like having
Speaker 2: to lock in and then having to politic like she
Speaker 2: knows she's got to go to work now because she's
Speaker 2: got to keep Leroy safe and this is now the
Speaker 2: second time, right, you can.
Speaker 1: Missing the baby, I mean, it's a lot, and pumping
Speaker 1: and our hormones are probably still like and these aren't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't imagine being pregnant. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: then delivering said baby, having the baby being connected to
Speaker 1: the baby, and then pumping while the baby's got Like,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot. It's a lot, you know, as
Speaker 1: I commend her for showing up and playing. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of mommies year speaking of another mommy like it.
Speaker 1: Rachel's in the bottom and mm hmm. It goes to
Speaker 1: show said we said it last podcast, that you can
Speaker 1: be in the top and be cruising and then be
Speaker 1: like just dead last.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just it just changes every single week based
Speaker 2: on what the challenge itself is.
Speaker 1: But isn't that a great game where you can't predict
Speaker 1: to the I mean, I love Rachel, She's one of
Speaker 1: my closest friends. But it makes for interesting TV to
Speaker 1: never know who's going to be in the top and
Speaker 1: the bottom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then also in this game, if you have
Speaker 2: to go into elimination, it's not like there isn't actually
Speaker 2: like a sweet golden star cupcake at the end of
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 1: You know, your ability to make the movie that you
Speaker 1: didn't get to make while you were in deliberation or
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's some movie you didn't get to make
Speaker 1: because you came in last. Now you get to make it, right.
Speaker 2: I think something that really stuck out to me before
Speaker 2: we jump too far into the elimination is how the
Speaker 2: nominations went to figure out what two people because this
Speaker 2: was a double so this is kind of the worst
Speaker 2: time to be in the bottom.
Speaker 1: There is a girl and a guy going in.
Speaker 2: And you know, we saw this moment between Kara and
Speaker 2: Cam and I think, you know, Leroy had teased to
Speaker 2: us that on the first podcast.
Speaker 1: That there was going to be a bit of a
Speaker 1: rival reforming.
Speaker 2: Between the two r I'm wondering if this was the
Speaker 2: beginning of that rivalry.
Speaker 1: It has to be. It must, because I could feel
Speaker 1: it like that was my friend, and you could see
Speaker 1: Kara was definitely felt a little bit torn. But I
Speaker 1: think she is definitely being like, Okay, well, who's the
Speaker 1: stronger player here? And I think who she thinks is
Speaker 1: a stronger player is not her friend.
Speaker 4: Okay, see, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to articulate that better. Is like she's
Speaker 1: trying to protect her star with Rachel and kind of
Speaker 1: form an alliance in the in the star holder's way,
Speaker 1: but she's also has a friendship with Cam that goes
Speaker 1: back year. She you know this.
Speaker 2: This makes sense to me when I when I think
Speaker 2: about it, if it were to be like me, you
Speaker 2: and then someone new, and then I can understand why
Speaker 2: there would be drama between the.
Speaker 1: Two us if we didn't vote the same, I would
Speaker 1: kick your fucking ass. Okay, but sorry, but wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: I listen. But so I see it.
Speaker 2: I see it more clearly where Cam's coming from when
Speaker 2: I think about myself in a position with people, I'm
Speaker 2: with you, someone I'm actually I'm close to. But then
Speaker 2: it just makes me wonder, like is there any room
Speaker 2: for Kara to want to play her own game? Like
Speaker 2: do we really feel like if you are friends, that
Speaker 2: you that you have to play each other's games like
Speaker 2: an alliance.
Speaker 1: Because we don't You and I don't even play the
Speaker 1: same game. You know some well, but if you have
Speaker 1: you have a certain partner, Dave, you know, Yes, partners
Speaker 1: kind of kind of shift a little, you know, shift
Speaker 1: your you're the way that you would normally play sometimes,
Speaker 1: or you know, give you a different perspective or whatever,
Speaker 1: like as long as you keep me safe. I don't
Speaker 1: really give a ship what you do, but here I can.
Speaker 1: I can see why Cam is upset, but I can
Speaker 1: also see why Kara to play your own game because
Speaker 1: she's gonna be a threat in this game. So it's
Speaker 1: like do I protect myself or do I put you first?
Speaker 1: And that is that is a big thing. And I
Speaker 1: thought about it, like I have been thinking about it
Speaker 1: since we started watching All Stars again. It like puts
Speaker 1: the show back and gives in my mind and gives
Speaker 1: me anxiety. But it's like, you know, at some point
Speaker 1: you have to play for you, you know, and your
Speaker 1: real friends will understand the moves that you have to make.
Speaker 1: Like who am I to be? Like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do whatever whatever you want for your game,
Speaker 1: fuck mine, right, So I get I get it. I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, and I understand the whole sides
Speaker 1: all of the sides.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and I think that's you know, ultimately, when
Speaker 2: you make friendships on the Challenge, That's what makes it
Speaker 2: so interesting to watch is because if you're on the show,
Speaker 2: you're playing for yourself and your own game, but you're
Speaker 2: also having relationships and sometimes those relationships take the back
Speaker 2: burner when you think about your own personal game.
Speaker 1: So I'm just interested to see how this unfolds.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Leroy gave us a really interesting tip at the
Speaker 2: very first podcast, so it's just gonna be cool and
Speaker 2: you know, also messy, interesting, messy, yeah, watching it unfold
Speaker 2: because everyone likes to know a little history and watch it,
Speaker 2: watch it in real time. So I think that that
Speaker 2: really stood out to me this episode. And then obviously
Speaker 2: I think we need to touch on the fact, even
Speaker 2: going back a little bit further, Tony going home so fast, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that really switches up the game with Cyrus coming in
Speaker 2: and then he goes against Keithla.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, but can you see the difference like
Speaker 1: night and day, where like these two grown ass men
Speaker 1: are like you know what, it's us Like, they're not
Speaker 1: even fighting to like not go in or pick somebody different.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, well, here we are.
Speaker 4: There wasn't room to fight in that house, the whole,
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm also more scared of people that are just
Speaker 1: like put me in. Yeah, I don't give a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know, like I never I never play
Speaker 1: a scared game. So I'm kind of like, whatever's gonna
Speaker 1: happen is gonna happen, and maybe that fights me in
Speaker 1: the ass, But like, yes, I get I get you
Speaker 1: wanting to protect yourself and keep yourself out of elimination,
Speaker 1: very very smart. But when you know it's you, there's
Speaker 1: no reason to put that energy to campaign against it.
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be what it's going to be, and
Speaker 1: that's your fate. So it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's when people give speeches that like nomination, like maybe
Speaker 1: this will change things. It's not gonna everybody knew who
Speaker 1: they were going to vote for before they got in there. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: So I love the way that they both handled it
Speaker 1: with such grace, such respect for one another.
Speaker 4: I loved it, and I think like that the elimination.
Speaker 2: It was really nice to see two eliminations when last
Speaker 2: week we didn't get one. I think, right, it was
Speaker 2: like Okay, we needed this, Like it was interesting watching
Speaker 2: Tina get her star because you know, we just didn't
Speaker 2: know what was going to happen. But now we really
Speaker 2: got to see people battle it out, which is what
Speaker 2: the challenge is all about.
Speaker 1: And both people put on a good show. Right. But
Speaker 1: Aana's been in if you don't know, like Aana's been
Speaker 1: in eliminations before, Yeah, Rachel has not been in many.
Speaker 1: I think I've been in the only two that Rachel's
Speaker 1: been in. We were in there together. Wow. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: we did Duel Too, I was like the exterminator. I
Speaker 1: went in all the eliminations and she won the challenges
Speaker 1: because that's how you kind of can like weave through that.
Speaker 2: Well you but you rubbed off her on her this
Speaker 2: episode because Kal because they wanted her to take Ayana out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. Rachel was definitely weaponized in
Speaker 1: this in this situation, but handled it with with so.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's interesting to watch, you know, a
Speaker 1: strong competitor who you know, avoids eliminations because they're that
Speaker 1: good and they people want them like as partners or
Speaker 1: you know people, or she wins enough that she doesn't
Speaker 1: have to go in when when things change and you
Speaker 1: watch them grow as like a competitor where they're like,
Speaker 1: well let's go, and also as a friend to watch
Speaker 1: your friend go in, you know, like it. There are
Speaker 1: just so many emotions. Yeah, and I think that Rachel
Speaker 1: is such a threat that I mean nobody said it,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, I know you wanted her to
Speaker 1: take out Ayana, but I don't think that they cared
Speaker 1: if Rachel was the one who lost. Exactly either way competitive, Yeah,
Speaker 1: from a competitive standpoint, you put two people in that
Speaker 1: are strong, Yeah, I mean you clearly want one of
Speaker 1: them to go home and you just pray that the
Speaker 1: other one takes the other one out. And it's just
Speaker 1: you know, as much as you want people to think
Speaker 1: it's a compliment, it's not. No, it's not. But I'm
Speaker 1: proud of both. And it was kind of emotional, like
Speaker 1: hearing Ayana say all over kids names, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think that will tug on all the heartstrings of
Speaker 1: any mother who who is every day, you know, living
Speaker 1: and breathing for them. And just hearing her story when
Speaker 1: she said, you know, my teenage kids don't even have
Speaker 1: their own bedroom, right, Yeah, Like you never know people's
Speaker 1: real stories, you know, so then you then you hear
Speaker 1: these things and I honest always so open and honest
Speaker 1: about like her life. You know, there's nothing to guess there,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no guessing. Yeah, so that was. That
Speaker 1: was definitely an emotional one of like two mommies out
Speaker 1: there just just fighting for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, and and they really fought for it,
Speaker 2: like you could see it even though Rachel won. You know,
Speaker 2: you saw her grab her shoulder on the way down
Speaker 2: and you could see.
Speaker 1: That that Oh you caught that. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I caught that immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you could see like that wasn't an
Speaker 2: easy win.
Speaker 1: She had to like dig deep for that one.
Speaker 2: And Ayana is strong and she's made that very clear
Speaker 2: over all of her performances on the show.
Speaker 1: No one's ever questioned that. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was interesting and brutal and you know, just very
Speaker 2: moving to watch the entire thing play out. I think
Speaker 2: the most confusing part of the episode for me, and
Speaker 2: I still can't get over this is like I get
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it that Rachel took Tina star,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I just I also am like wow,
Speaker 2: because why wouldn't she just take cars and give it
Speaker 2: to Veronica and be like we.
Speaker 1: All get a star because she doesn't want car coming
Speaker 1: for her. She wants to keep that. Remember when they
Speaker 1: were like, we're gonna well cars said, we're gonna protect
Speaker 1: these stars. So why would she take it from somebody
Speaker 1: she just had a conversation. Yeah, you can't go back
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, yeah, and I get that, So I
Speaker 1: get that. Why wouldn't she give her other closest friend
Speaker 1: a star, like bitch be a part of this game too,
Speaker 1: for sure?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I like how, I get why.
Speaker 1: And it's also good for TV. And Rachel's not gonna
Speaker 1: ruffle any feathers. No, yeah, taking someone else's I know,
Speaker 1: I guess like the.
Speaker 2: Maniacal person in me, I totally get it. And to
Speaker 2: be fair, I probably would have done exactly what Rachel did.
Speaker 2: But then I'm also like, oh, that's.
Speaker 1: My best friend, Like I don't know if I could
Speaker 1: have done that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But also to be fair, but she's got two of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also Rachel looking at everybody like Steve really
Speaker 2: competed hard for his star.
Speaker 1: You can't take his away. And yeah, Tina didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Tina didn't do anything. Yeah, she got gifted the star.
Speaker 1: She got Tina. Like Tina laughed about it. She wasn't like,
Speaker 1: oh terrible, because you know what, you're going to need
Speaker 1: a start to get to the end, and you can't
Speaker 1: tell me that. Like people, you don't know who they're
Speaker 1: gonna throw down there totally. You know, you don't know
Speaker 1: when you're gonna get voted in and who's going to
Speaker 1: steal your star, So you don't know how long you
Speaker 1: have it for. Just because you have it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's untouched. Yeah, these stars are moving around like hot potatoes.
Speaker 4: Definitely, They're like it's a revolving door for sure.
Speaker 1: I love it. I can't wait till what happens with
Speaker 1: the stars next week. I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, And I'm excited to know from Keithla why
Speaker 2: he chose Brad star.
Speaker 1: Right. So now we have Keithla and Rachel both have stars,
Speaker 1: and now Veronica is a star and she joins the
Speaker 1: Star club. So now that all six of them have stars,
Speaker 1: I'd like to give out some stars on my own. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this, let's do that. So my all star of
Speaker 1: the episode, okay is Keithla and his back ye the
Speaker 1: way that Keithfler fell in such a realistic way. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no way that he goes home too. I can't
Speaker 1: take it. And he went right into a little Humpty hamp.
Speaker 1: It was twerk City, Yeah it was. It was Keithla
Speaker 1: and the City Girls. It was. It was good. I
Speaker 1: loved it so much. It was so so good, and
Speaker 1: we needed a little comic relief. We really did. We did,
Speaker 1: and it was that. I want to watch it on repeat.
Speaker 1: What about you, Rach, Rach, Jesus Christ my braincell. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm giving my star to Rage anyway. So I thought,
Speaker 1: I think you were just reading my mind.
Speaker 2: I you know, I was stuck between Keithla and and Rachel,
Speaker 2: but you said Keithlea. So I think it's only fair
Speaker 2: to give it to Rachel. She conquered, she won a
Speaker 2: very difficult elimination.
Speaker 1: She showed us.
Speaker 2: That she is strong through and through, has been strong
Speaker 2: since the beginning of her challenge career, and up to
Speaker 2: this date, is still a beast.
Speaker 1: So definitely got to give it to Rachel.
Speaker 2: And I think that it's really difficult to pick who
Speaker 2: to give the.
Speaker 1: No Star of the episode two. But if I have
Speaker 1: to pick don't do it if you pick the same
Speaker 1: one I picked. I mean Cyrus.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, only because he was like in and out
Speaker 2: and this is no shade. I just don't know who
Speaker 2: else to give it to. And he even said, you know.
Speaker 1: You're playing that card. Okay, what do you what do
Speaker 1: you what do you think? I was gonna give the
Speaker 1: no Star to Tina because she doesn't have a star anymore.
Speaker 1: I like that one.
Speaker 2: That's funny, that's way nicer.
Speaker 1: I wish I would know as no star Tina. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, Cyrus is still a star. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need a star. Of course. He is in the best
Speaker 1: shape of his life. And you know what, It's just
Speaker 1: that's the way the game's played, and it sucks. But
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll see him again. Yes, I don't think
Speaker 1: this is the last we'll see if Cyrus. I feel
Speaker 1: like he keeps getting leaner and leaner. He has a
Speaker 1: baby on the way, he got married. Yeah, like talk
Speaker 1: about stars. Yeah, he's crushing that man is winning, he's winning. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess the universe knew he needed his to be
Speaker 2: spent better at home.
Speaker 1: But it was nice seeing him for that.
Speaker 2: That that episode of a cameo and I'm excited to
Speaker 2: see what happens coming up. And I'm really excited to
Speaker 2: get into this interview with Keith low. We haven't talked
Speaker 2: to him ever. He's never been on the podcast. He
Speaker 2: hasn't been on a show since nineteen ninety nine. Like
Speaker 2: this is like, we're about to talk to him.
Speaker 1: An og for you in nineteen ninety nine tour. I
Speaker 1: was worn in ninety three, so six. Wow, you must
Speaker 1: have loved all these shows back then.
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with them and I wait, you were mind.
Speaker 1: My first word was Keith lob. Well, I'm sure he'll
Speaker 1: be happy to hear that. I'll have to tell him.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into this interview. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after this. Okay, okay, let's get.
Speaker 5: Back to the show.
Speaker 1: Now. This man, you haven't seen him for a while.
Speaker 1: He is from World Rules down Under. He was a
Speaker 1: Challenge shit while he is Challenge Champion from the real
Speaker 1: world World Rules Challenge, and he is a current star holder.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Kifla, body them hair.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, guys. I appreciate that. Wow,
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to meet you.
Speaker 3: Same here, you know, hopefully we can get a chance
Speaker 3: to meet faces face one day, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like I was in I was
Speaker 1: I was about to graduate high school when you did
Speaker 1: your first How old are you in your fortieth.
Speaker 3: Oh, I will be fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, look at him? Go yes for black people.
Speaker 1: Are you a virgo too?
Speaker 3: Yes? I am a Virgo?
Speaker 1: Yes Virgo?
Speaker 3: What day September ten?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in the day before me. Okay, yes, Melanie Virgo.
Speaker 2: Right, dude, It's it's been awesome watching you on this
Speaker 2: season so far. Like I loved you in the first
Speaker 2: episode you had that like moment where you finished that
Speaker 2: drill and like you cried and you got emotional, and
Speaker 2: it was like beautif to watch that heart Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then now again like you've had just so I don't
Speaker 2: want to get too much into the episode yet because
Speaker 2: like we have a lot of time to do that,
Speaker 2: but like, what is it being like just being back
Speaker 2: on the challenge.
Speaker 3: It's kind of surreal, you know. Of course you said
Speaker 3: like the first episode, you know, after I finished, I
Speaker 3: you know, cry and that's probably the first time man
Speaker 3: I cried in like it was seventeen eighteen years Wow,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot of built up just yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, because you know, I have boys and just
Speaker 3: trying to be strong for everybody that I encountered. And uh,
Speaker 3: this is something that has been battling with me, you know,
Speaker 3: because you watch all these seasons and it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I see everything and everybody on and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: I thought I did pretty good. You know, I thought
Speaker 3: I could could you know, roll with the big dogs.
Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, you know, I wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3: And you know, in the back of the mind, you
Speaker 3: keep on hearing that little, you know thing that you
Speaker 3: wasn't good enough, You wasn't good enough, or you know,
Speaker 3: I was too nice, you know, too friendly, didn't have
Speaker 3: no drumming like you know. But that's how I live.
Speaker 3: That's who I am, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: so when I finished that first mission, man, it was
Speaker 3: it was crazy. It's just a lot of emotional because
Speaker 3: I started off rocky. I thought I was going to
Speaker 3: go home, you know, but when I wanted, you were
Speaker 3: not one. But when I didn't get in the bottom,
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, this is I appreciate it. Man, God,
Speaker 3: thank God for everything. You know.
Speaker 1: So so what have you been doing since I don't know,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, two thousands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, married, just just celebrated my twentieth year wedding anniversary
Speaker 3: to my beautiful white free Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: My twin boys are nineteen. One is in school at
Speaker 3: Alabama State, my alma mater, and then the other one.
Speaker 3: He started off and he was like, yo, Dad, I
Speaker 3: can't do this school thing anymore. I say, that's fine.
Speaker 3: So he's working and so been raising kids, teaching, coaching sports,
Speaker 3: you know, just living life, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And been so busy doing all of that, you know,
Speaker 3: but I love it. But at the same time, this
Speaker 3: is what I really like doing, you know, I really
Speaker 3: like mixing it up and doing those kind of things,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's what I've
Speaker 3: been doing for the last twenty five years.
Speaker 2: You know, I can only imagine what your sons are thinking. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you have a son in Alabama State. You said, like, imagine,
Speaker 2: like my dad's on the child.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, it's gonna be crazy, man.
Speaker 3: But even more so what's gonna be crazy is when
Speaker 3: I because I teach high school and so my kids,
Speaker 3: you know, when they when they see this, they're gonna
Speaker 3: be you know in saying, you know, just gonna be
Speaker 3: loving every minute of it. Because every time I get
Speaker 3: a new every new semester start, I showed some of
Speaker 3: the old episodes that I can find off of YouTube.
Speaker 3: And then you know, once you get a kid, like
Speaker 3: you know, you show you know, coach has been on TV.
Speaker 3: Coaches played with Kobe Bryant and I got him, then
Speaker 3: you know, I'm the coolest thing in the school totally, right. Oh.
Speaker 3: I teach health education and pe nice. Okay, so when
Speaker 3: I when I when they see this, man, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be bananas, right, And I coach baseball and girls flag football.
Speaker 1: Yes, for girls flag football.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: I love that there is something crazy in all of
Speaker 1: us though that like I think we are all thrill
Speaker 1: seekers and like want to push ourselves. So like I'm
Speaker 1: forty two and I still do the challenge and have
Speaker 1: been aft of it for like the last twenty two years,
Speaker 1: and there's just something like life is not normal without it,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think there's just that thing that's
Speaker 1: just part of us that's like we need to be,
Speaker 1: you know, for lack of better words, challenged. I need
Speaker 1: to have something in front of us where we're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I could do it, but I'm still
Speaker 1: going to give everything that I have and constantly search
Speaker 1: for things so we can, you know, see how far
Speaker 1: we can really go. How far can I push myself?
Speaker 1: You know what am I really capable of outside of
Speaker 1: like jobs and like you know, all of the monotony,
Speaker 1: Like you have this other thing, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what calls us all kind of back to it or
Speaker 1: like Tory and I keeps us Tory has been I've
Speaker 1: done four back to back tories like on six or something.
Speaker 1: No one knows. We all lost count. No one knows
Speaker 1: I'll count after after that. You know what It's like.
Speaker 2: I'm sure people are like, get her off the show,
Speaker 2: but it's like, you know, it's addicting, and like you
Speaker 2: were saying that we.
Speaker 1: Get her off, get her off. We're tired to see
Speaker 1: her face.
Speaker 4: I get it, you're tired of seeing my stupid face.
Speaker 1: But there's something in.
Speaker 2: Us when the opportunity comes knocking on the door, it's
Speaker 2: just like it's just so fulfilling. I'm curious, Kibla, Like
Speaker 2: you know, you've taken a lot of time since you've
Speaker 2: been back. When you originally did it, it wasn't even
Speaker 2: called the official challenge yet.
Speaker 1: It was just straight real world versus road rules. I
Speaker 1: think it was like road rules.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like the second challenge ever, right or was
Speaker 1: it the first?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: The first one? Was that? Was that like the All
Speaker 3: Star Data Stars. Yeah, it was just like it was
Speaker 3: kind of like the pilot, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So then, like, do you feel like in comparison challenge wise,
Speaker 2: now that you're back doing the things that you've done
Speaker 2: physically since being on All Stars?
Speaker 4: Now, do you think that it's elevated a lot?
Speaker 1: The head in the game has.
Speaker 3: Changed, of course, But one of the you know, the
Speaker 3: key component is the eliminations. Because when we were on
Speaker 3: there there were no elimination. It was just like your
Speaker 3: team gets money and whoever gets the most money they
Speaker 3: get to or whatever they get to traveling the Winnebago
Speaker 3: the Great one, and the other one gets to you know,
Speaker 3: ride the little Rudi put one. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It was like you stayed the whole time and people
Speaker 3: learned who you was and who you were as a character,
Speaker 3: you know, and so they really got to know you.
Speaker 3: But now, you know, you get your butt on there.
Speaker 3: The first day you go into a challenge, you're going home.
Speaker 3: Nobody even knows you. You know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 3: the and I understand it. That's the competition of it.
Speaker 3: But I think back when it started, it was more
Speaker 3: so of the relationship as opposed to now is the competition.
Speaker 3: And I understand that because that's what people want, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. But I do know I'm gonna
Speaker 3: speak for the old heads. There are there is a component.
Speaker 3: There are people out there that want to see people
Speaker 3: not necessarily get eliminated. They want to see their people
Speaker 3: on there and watch them for a minute, you know,
Speaker 3: so they can enjoy it. Because it's kind of like
Speaker 3: American Idol. You know, when your favorite contestants get voted off,
Speaker 3: you stop watching it, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like that for the challenge, especially
Speaker 3: when you get the older people. You know, they're like,
Speaker 3: well shooting, you know, my boy's gone. Well I don't
Speaker 3: really know these young folks, so I'm done, you know,
Speaker 3: but I understand it. All.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got when they got rid of road
Speaker 1: roles in real world. It was very hard to you know,
Speaker 1: who were they going to pull from, you know, with
Speaker 1: shows and now that they have those shows don't really
Speaker 1: you know, focus on character element and they you know,
Speaker 1: like Tori did like a dating show. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: watched her grow, but that's because we've had the time
Speaker 1: to do so when we did it, he felt, like
Speaker 1: you said, when people like when you never get picked again,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't do a lot of shows that were
Speaker 1: like really cool in the beginning, like the Gauntlets in
Speaker 1: the Infernos. I was like wallpaper. Even though I was
Speaker 1: a big personality on my show, You're gonna understand, like it,
Speaker 1: there were so and I say it all the time,
Speaker 1: there's so many people, like it was an honor to
Speaker 1: get picked for the challenge because there's so many people
Speaker 1: competing now people got kids and jobs and so they
Speaker 1: have to the cast has to come from somewhere. They
Speaker 1: you know, they do follow a lot of people though,
Speaker 1: because like I said, when I went to get my
Speaker 1: coffee today and I'm like, oh my god, I was
Speaker 1: seven minutes to get back because I'm interviewing Keith le Ed.
Speaker 1: Here goes the guy who owns the shop. I love him.
Speaker 1: He knows he only knows the older pe right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's definitely there's something nostalgic about it that people
Speaker 1: come come back four.
Speaker 4: Definitely, and it's so nice to see you back.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to be able to watch so many
Speaker 2: different combinations of people in this house together, Like this
Speaker 2: All Stars forecast is my favorite All Stars cast aside
Speaker 2: from Anissa I want.
Speaker 1: I said it. The moment this cast came out, I
Speaker 1: was like, I fucking wish Anissa was there too.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was oh.
Speaker 1: And they were like I pictured it when they were like,
Speaker 1: and we're bringing out Cyrus, I was like, shit, I
Speaker 1: wish it was me.
Speaker 3: I really wish.
Speaker 1: Oh you wanted to go into a ball brawl with
Speaker 1: Keith Fla Is that what you're saying? Oh? No, but
Speaker 1: anybody else or whatever? Would? I would? I don't care.
Speaker 3: I know you would.
Speaker 2: Know.
Speaker 1: What's the worst thing that could happen? I look bad
Speaker 1: ass and they lose?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I think it's like, Yeah, it's amazing that
Speaker 2: you're back.
Speaker 4: And I really do want to get into the thick
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 2: Episode a little bit because there was so many things
Speaker 2: that happened and I feel like I want to get
Speaker 2: your perspective on it from being actually in the house.
Speaker 2: First thing being first, Tony out of the blue, just
Speaker 2: gets up and leaves. And obviously, like it said, was
Speaker 2: a family thing, so like, I'm sure it's very personal.
Speaker 2: But were you around when he was telling people or
Speaker 2: did you just like wake up in the morning and
Speaker 2: he was gone.
Speaker 3: Like no, we were all in the h in the
Speaker 3: main room, but he he We're all roommates. It was me, Tony,
Speaker 3: and Steve. We were all roommates, so you know, it
Speaker 3: came out of nowhere. We were all in the main
Speaker 3: room just chilling, you know. The next thing, you know,
Speaker 3: we saw production go in the back and it was like, yo,
Speaker 3: what's going on? And then you know how you can
Speaker 3: tell when the mood kind of changes, you know, and
Speaker 3: something's going on in the house, and so everybody's sitting
Speaker 3: back and nobody really knows what's going on, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you hear somebody saying, I think
Speaker 3: he's going home, and so we're all trying to figure
Speaker 3: out who's the he, you know, because there was a
Speaker 3: few other people back there. And then when they said
Speaker 3: Tony's going home, you know, nobody really knew why. And
Speaker 3: you know, for the people who knew Tony, you know,
Speaker 3: friendship wise, you know, it was it was really heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: But for me, I was like, oh, I didn't want
Speaker 3: him to go home because of whatever reason it was,
Speaker 3: you know, it was something bad. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's like, boom, get him up out of here. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. That increases my chance to do it,
Speaker 3: But you know, not if it was something that was
Speaker 3: that was detrimental. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Totally right from a game perspective, it makes sense to
Speaker 1: have one less competition. Yeah, of course, not on a human.
Speaker 3: Level, no, of course, right, right, right, right, I.
Speaker 1: Totally get it.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting, you know, like Tony leaves and like
Speaker 2: you said, yeah, I get him up out of here,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Cyrus walks in, so.
Speaker 3: Like what was right?
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the.
Speaker 2: Changing of the guards and then yeah, it was your
Speaker 2: thought when you first saw Cyrus where you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, like a competition that's actually like a friend,
Speaker 2: like or were you just straight happy to see him?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm always happy when I see Cyrus when I
Speaker 3: you know, I talked to Cyrus on the on the internet,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, Instagram and Facebook. You know, it makes
Speaker 3: people you know right there, closer than what they normally are.
Speaker 3: But you know, knowing that he knows the game, knowing
Speaker 3: that he has a relationship, because what I started realizing
Speaker 3: after the first two challenges was that, uh, if you
Speaker 3: don't have a relationship, you're going and you're going in.
Speaker 3: And I knew me. They didn't know me from you know,
Speaker 3: the man at the on the side of the street.
Speaker 3: So I knew I was gonna go in if they
Speaker 3: had a chance to vote me in. So when I
Speaker 3: saw Side coming in, I was like, damn, there's another
Speaker 3: guy with a great relationship, knows how to play the
Speaker 3: mental game and the physical game. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I said, So, like you said, they just changed the guards.
Speaker 3: That's all they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know totally.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe we can get into the unless you
Speaker 4: if something saying he said, real quick, do you.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna get into more into this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep going, let's do it because I toy So we're
Speaker 1: watching we're all watching the episode together for the listeners,
Speaker 1: and I'm texting, texting Tori I'm like, I didn't understand
Speaker 1: the game. She goes, you haven't played dominoes. I was
Speaker 1: about to be like, bitch, have you ever played spades?
Speaker 1: Because I could play that. They're not gonna have us
Speaker 1: play spades on there. But I almost feel like my
Speaker 1: black card is going to get revoked because I'm like,
Speaker 1: do the dominoes have to touch or? She was like,
Speaker 1: you have to add them. I'm like, Tori, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. She goes, maybe I'm wrong. I
Speaker 1: would like you.
Speaker 2: I think it's a pattern, right, so like you need
Speaker 2: if there's a five that ends, then you need a
Speaker 2: five to touch it.
Speaker 1: And then no, I guess that you need a four
Speaker 1: to touch it. It's not I get that. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know what the middle one was?
Speaker 3: The middle? The middle you're talking about where they had
Speaker 3: to stand on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the middle where you had to the final
Speaker 1: the last one have to match that middle?
Speaker 3: No, you had the will you start with whatever? When
Speaker 3: you start with right and you just go to front
Speaker 3: of the machine, end and end, that's it in the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my question, is the way the domino
Speaker 2: was laid out in the middle.
Speaker 4: I think it was like a number six and a
Speaker 4: four or something like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't the six.
Speaker 3: The six started you have to start with, well, with
Speaker 3: the six there or like nine to twelve what it was.
Speaker 3: I think for that one, you have to start off
Speaker 3: with that. So what you get the starting piece and
Speaker 3: then that's the starting piece, and so whatever that starting
Speaker 3: piece is, you just go from your ends from there.
Speaker 3: You're matching ends from there. Yeah, but like they said,
Speaker 3: they had two extra pieces in there.
Speaker 1: So would you do start and start, like, get your
Speaker 1: start and finished pieces down and then work.
Speaker 3: That's what we tried to That's what some people try
Speaker 3: to do. They try to get their start and finished
Speaker 3: pieces down. But the thing about the start and finished pieces.
Speaker 3: That finished piece, let's say, if you don't really know
Speaker 3: what that finished piece was necessarily going to be, because
Speaker 3: it could have been a one as a finished piece,
Speaker 3: but the top of that one could have been a six,
Speaker 3: the top of that one could have been a five
Speaker 3: at top of that one, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So once you go to six fives, you know, five
Speaker 3: to three, three, four, then it probably flipped some other
Speaker 3: kind of way, you know what I'm saying, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you had those extra pieces and let alone,
Speaker 3: it was like one hundred and hell degrees outside, and
Speaker 3: then it was also heavy. Those things were super heavy,
Speaker 3: you know, so it was bananas.
Speaker 1: Man, How is it working with Tina?
Speaker 3: I love Tina? You know what I'm saying. I love Tina.
Speaker 3: One thing about him, man, I could That's my girl,
Speaker 3: straight up. I could work with anybody. That's one thing
Speaker 3: about me, you know. I'm so I'm just that dude
Speaker 3: that I can work with anybody. I don't care who
Speaker 3: it is. You know what the situation is. If you're
Speaker 3: trying to win and you're a fair person and you're
Speaker 3: not just you know, being an asshole towards me or whatever,
Speaker 3: I can work with you, you know, to get to
Speaker 3: that coming goal, you know what I'm saying. But Tina's great,
Speaker 3: you know, I just hate that, you know, I didn't
Speaker 3: fulfill my end of the bargain for her, you know,
Speaker 3: but she was. She was great. You know. She was
Speaker 3: willing to listen and I was willing to listen to
Speaker 3: her too. That's that's me. I'm not I'm not going
Speaker 3: to get in there, but like yo, I know what
Speaker 3: to do obviously, you know, you don't all the time,
Speaker 3: but she was. She was real cool to work with,
Speaker 3: very very cool to work with.
Speaker 1: I still don't know what to do, and I'm great
Speaker 1: with puzzles and numbers and ship and it's bothering me
Speaker 1: so much that I am going to join a dominance
Speaker 1: group and I'm gonna I'm going to be a master.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a master at it. Next time.
Speaker 1: Keith was a teacher, he'll teach you.
Speaker 3: You got to get it right before the fourth though,
Speaker 3: before the fourth of July and go somewhere. You got
Speaker 3: to make sure you got your dominoes on deck by here, because.
Speaker 1: They're gonna think about prodigy at that point. Yes, I'd
Speaker 1: be like I've never played, Like, I'll be like a
Speaker 1: domino shark, Like how I am?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, I'm so happy that TJ introduced the game
Speaker 6: like that too.
Speaker 1: It really made me feel good inside. It really did.
Speaker 4: Honestly, have either of you guys seen the Hunger Games?
Speaker 1: Have you any of you watched?
Speaker 2: Okay, you know when they're like it's the second Hunger
Speaker 2: Games and they have to be in that middle, that
Speaker 2: they're in the arena and that that clock is spinning
Speaker 2: and there's like the water in between. This layout reminded
Speaker 2: me so much of the Hunger Games. I couldn't unsee it,
Speaker 2: and I just like, thank god, they're not fighting for
Speaker 2: their lives and they're only fighting for stars. But like,
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes they pull some challenges or like
Speaker 2: concepts from those games, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and from hallucinogen. I think we're a little bit
Speaker 1: a little bit of psilocybin, maybe a touch of K
Speaker 1: and then just like we should play dominoes but like
Speaker 1: Hunger style, but nobody dies. Yeah, thank god. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love it. But what I didn't really love was
Speaker 1: but I also love is that there's always so much
Speaker 1: drama on All Stars because I feel like at this age,
Speaker 1: like you're not going to talk to me crazy, right,
Speaker 1: you know? And I think everybody kind of has that
Speaker 1: attitude of like we know who we are, we have
Speaker 1: our lives set up. How did you feel about this
Speaker 1: whole Ayana and Cam confrontation? Were you there for?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Seems like you want no parts. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of people aren't really involved necessarily, but were you there?
Speaker 3: Yes? I mean I heard the blow up, but if
Speaker 3: you I guess as y'all start watching the episode, y'all
Speaker 3: are privacy. When most of the drama is happening, you'll
Speaker 3: see me eating. You know, I'm always in the background,
Speaker 3: either sandwich or eating something. Man, you know, so I'm
Speaker 3: kind of like just therefore the show, trying to figure out, like, yo,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Who lied? Who said what? But when
Speaker 3: this blew up, you know, I was trying to, like
Speaker 3: you said, just only here here you say, side and say, Yo,
Speaker 3: what went down? Why why is she going like that?
Speaker 3: Because you know, I knew Ayana. I met her, uh
Speaker 3: when I did well, I think when her season premiered,
Speaker 3: I think it was, but it was years ago, so
Speaker 3: you know, through social media we kept in contact, so
Speaker 3: I knew her like that and Steve and Side. So
Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody else, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And so I was like, yo, what's wrong with Eleanna?
Speaker 3: You know why she's going because you know somebody that
Speaker 3: you kind of know, you want to make sure they're okay.
Speaker 3: But you know, I grew close to Cam and Lee
Speaker 3: Roy very quickly, you know, with that family dynamic and
Speaker 3: all that stuff, very quick, kind of like took them
Speaker 3: under my wings. When we were just talking about advice
Speaker 3: of life and stuff like that, and when it started
Speaker 3: blowing up, man, I was just trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what's going on, because when drama hits like that, it's
Speaker 3: all about whose side you're on, you know, And I'm
Speaker 3: trying to make sure nobody's trying to put me on
Speaker 3: nobody's side, because I don't know anybody like that yet, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And personally, you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't want to get into none of the drama. But
Speaker 3: it went from zero to one hundred like real quick.
Speaker 1: So that edit of it was was accurate of like
Speaker 1: the speed of.
Speaker 3: How it Yeah, how it just jump to it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: like just jumped to it.
Speaker 1: I hated to see it when it ends in tears
Speaker 1: and people are just so frustrated and we are taken
Speaker 1: out of our character or this like I don't know,
Speaker 1: this moment of like vulnerability but like anger, like it
Speaker 1: just it sucks to see it because, right, you know,
Speaker 1: we always want people to win, like just that life.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what and I guess because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of the people. It just I mean,
Speaker 1: it hits differently so you already know the personalities and
Speaker 1: like it just you don't want people to be yeah,
Speaker 1: to be that frustrated and that upset.
Speaker 2: What I think is like the way this whole thing
Speaker 2: unfolded is it kind of became a classic game of telephone.
Speaker 2: Like I believe that when I was coming out of
Speaker 2: that challenge, maybe she said something under her breath, but
Speaker 2: it didn't necessarily seem like she was politicking to get
Speaker 2: Lee Ray and Cam out as much as it was
Speaker 2: just a statement like and and she seems like somebody
Speaker 2: who kind of just speaks freely about what she's thinking.
Speaker 2: And then maybe somebody took that and turned it into
Speaker 2: gunning for somebody, like unless there's conversations that I missed,
Speaker 2: and so I'm only speaking on what I saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Tori, you know how it is, and I
Speaker 1: did it to you at the end of this challenge.
Speaker 1: You're like, adrenaline is going right, and I think you
Speaker 1: just say shit and you don't really think about it,
Speaker 1: which led to like a two year fight. Yeah, Tory
Speaker 1: and I, but it can in that moment you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: such and such and such and such were like I
Speaker 1: think that you would have more of a more of
Speaker 1: a filter with a little less endorphins.
Speaker 2: And then That's why I think, like watching it all
Speaker 2: kind of escalate, like Iana got very defensive, and I
Speaker 2: wonder if it's because she didn't recognize because what she
Speaker 2: had said that she was just that.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of why it seemed to me. But
Speaker 1: I obviously only seeing what the edit is so well
Speaker 1: that between Brandon and it was Brandon right, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: she she did probably say it and passed. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: he didn't die her out. He said, he said, I
Speaker 1: hadn't talked to you in three days. He was like, me,
Speaker 1: brand that's a slick way to get out of that.
Speaker 1: He's like, did you say I mean? I mean? It
Speaker 1: was cool on him, like, let's not let's not make
Speaker 1: this a bigger thing, because I think he also recognized,
Speaker 1: like we do say things and aren't really conscious of
Speaker 1: it at the time, especially after a challenge during fight,
Speaker 1: those heated moments, whether positive or negative, we kind of
Speaker 1: lose lose sight of that, and that could have been
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. And in the same regard, though we'll
Speaker 1: have to talk to We'll have to talk to her exactly.
Speaker 2: And in the same regard, I understand where Cam is
Speaker 2: coming from and wanting to just you know, just see
Speaker 2: where why her name is floating around if.
Speaker 1: She's heard it from so many people.
Speaker 4: So I think it's just the way the challenge is.
Speaker 2: It's just the way it goes it just like you said,
Speaker 2: and you say, it sucks when it gets so personal
Speaker 2: where it feels like so emotionally charged, because then it's
Speaker 2: just that intense and the environment itself is already intense.
Speaker 1: So this is Yeah, these are people that have known
Speaker 1: each other, like keif Li said, like twenty five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know even in voting, I've known Rachel for twenty years.
Speaker 1: I can't do this, Like, it gets real difficult when
Speaker 1: you have a lot of people that have a lot
Speaker 1: of history. Yeah, and you're trying to play a game.
Speaker 1: It's like do I play by loyalty in friendship or
Speaker 1: do I play strategically? Right, Yeah, because some of your
Speaker 1: best friends are your biggest competition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is a mastermind in that because she had to
Speaker 3: check me brilliant at the beginning too. She had to
Speaker 3: check me real quick, and I was like, oh my bad,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. It was like when when you know, the
Speaker 3: first the very first elimination, you know, we were voting
Speaker 3: and you know, Leroy was in the bottom and so uh,
Speaker 3: you know, but everybody had they had enough numbers to
Speaker 3: vote someone else. Then. But then I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: I'll just say Leroy and something else. You know already
Speaker 3: talked to y right, that's what she said, don't do
Speaker 3: that and say because they come back. But she went
Speaker 3: like Mama style on me, you know, and I was like, yo, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I didn't know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so, like I said, because the game wasn't like
Speaker 3: this when I was, you know, and I don't watch
Speaker 3: the show as faithfully as others because of the fact
Speaker 3: every time I watch it, it's like, you know, you're
Speaker 3: watching that X that you left and you know you
Speaker 3: should have stayed with you know what I'm saying. I'm like,
Speaker 3: damn right, And so I was like, you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't really know, and I mean, she checked me, but
Speaker 3: you know, I apologize to her because that's who I say.
Speaker 3: You know, this is what I was doing. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, you know, blah, forgive me for you know,
Speaker 3: any wrong that I cost or whatever. But no, and
Speaker 3: then that let me know this, this this lady knows
Speaker 3: what's happening. She's really smart in this you know, in
Speaker 3: this game she does.
Speaker 1: She knows exactly Kim knows exactly how to have her
Speaker 1: desired income like outcome come to fruition. Like she is
Speaker 1: really smart.
Speaker 3: She is.
Speaker 1: She is definitely going to stand up for her man.
Speaker 1: Of course she was not the only person. You're knock
Speaker 1: a voting is Leroy right as you should.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So I would sit back
Speaker 3: in the house and I would just watch certain people
Speaker 3: like that, like her, Carl Maria. I would watch them
Speaker 3: how they you know, just maneuver, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Because it was like, damn, this is so cool just
Speaker 3: to see these ladies do this because their their mind
Speaker 3: is like three weeks ahead of everything else, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm just trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, make it to the moment you.
Speaker 1: Know, how to do the long and short game at
Speaker 1: the same time. And it's it's a skill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So you know, my hat's off to camp for that.
Speaker 3: But when when and how calm she was when she
Speaker 3: was talking to Guyana, and like you saw, she said, well,
Speaker 3: the way she blew up told me all I needed
Speaker 3: to know, you know what I'm saying, and so, but yeah,
Speaker 3: that that house was on fire that night.
Speaker 1: And then the two and then the two calm people,
Speaker 1: you and Cyrus are like, you know what, We're just
Speaker 1: gonna go into elimination. Let's just let's just do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what made you feel like? You know what? Let
Speaker 1: me just make this easy? And like, what was it?
Speaker 1: What were your steps going into that?
Speaker 3: Well? The main thing is I hate when people because
Speaker 3: you know, when I saw, like the first two people
Speaker 3: started walking around saying, Hey, I have your best interest
Speaker 3: at heart. Hey, you're in my friend. This is this, Hey,
Speaker 3: this is what I'm gonna do when I get in there.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, don't bullshit me.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're gonna say, Keithler, I'm voting you in, dude,
Speaker 3: I don't know you like that, And this is how
Speaker 3: the game is played. Much respect, I don't have nothing
Speaker 3: against that, because that's that's the rules of the game.
Speaker 3: But when you bullshit me, now, I can't even trust
Speaker 3: you when I say, hey, we got any creamer in
Speaker 3: the refrigerator? You know, I can't trust you for nothing,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, So just be real. So
Speaker 3: that's what it was. And I, you know, I started
Speaker 3: writing on the WID I was like, yeah, they don't
Speaker 3: know me. And then they keep they kept saying every elimination,
Speaker 3: I don't have a relationship. I don't have a relationship.
Speaker 3: I don't have a relationship. And I knew from the jump,
Speaker 3: regardless of how nice I am, regardless of how you know,
Speaker 3: calm I am, it was gonna be me. And it
Speaker 3: was definitely gonna be Cyrus because of the fact that
Speaker 3: he just came into the game and the dynamics. Plus
Speaker 3: he's a OG that you know what I'm saying, He's
Speaker 3: an OG that kind of knows the rules too, So
Speaker 3: let's go ahead and boot him out before he gets
Speaker 3: a chance. And so that's why happened. So I was like, man,
Speaker 3: just go ahead and do what you're going to do.
Speaker 1: Pull the band aid. Yeah yeah, but that's how it is.
Speaker 1: But that's totally I feel like, I mean, people got
Speaker 1: to say what they got to say, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: cop out. And it's so easy to say, Sorrish, you
Speaker 1: just got here, I mean, and it's so easy to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, once once people find like one thing,
Speaker 1: everyone's like yep, and I feel the same exact way exactly.
Speaker 1: It's easy, Like it's just it's just an easy thing
Speaker 1: to do. It might not be fair, but it's definitely easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: And if everybody does it, you can't get mad at
Speaker 1: the whole house. They understand, you know, we under We've
Speaker 1: played this a lot, we understand how that goes. It's unfair,
Speaker 1: but you went in very confident. I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: go against you.
Speaker 3: Because I was. I was playing for much more than
Speaker 3: just to get back into the house, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I was playing for myself. I wanted to
Speaker 3: prove it myself that I could do it. Man, you know,
Speaker 3: one time, I didn't want to be you know, one
Speaker 3: and done, you know. And also I was like, look,
Speaker 3: you know, if y'all going to run this thing forty
Speaker 3: to fifty seasons, put your boy in. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, I can do it. Because I see
Speaker 3: a lot of people that do it and then get
Speaker 3: home the first time, and then they come back three
Speaker 3: more times. I'm like, well, I got some substance that
Speaker 3: I can offer to the game, you know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: So bring me.
Speaker 1: I love that, you know, at least we would love
Speaker 1: to see you at another show. You all right, we
Speaker 1: have to take a quick break. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after this. Okay, Okay, let's get back.
Speaker 3: To the show.
Speaker 1: Do you sing? I mean? I think All Stars is
Speaker 1: an incredible show. I'm really excited to be one in
Speaker 1: a part of it, hope to be a part of
Speaker 1: it again. But to watch it, it's just so good.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because people are older and they
Speaker 1: have more to fight for and more to prove to
Speaker 1: themselves that it makes this show that much better and
Speaker 1: it makes you guys fight that much harder.
Speaker 3: I think that has a lot of in it too.
Speaker 3: And also, you know, when you look at the simple
Speaker 3: fact that things are not the same when we started,
Speaker 3: because I mean, just look at just the extra income
Speaker 3: that people are making now, you know, from being you know,
Speaker 3: a promoter or whatever, you know, from stuff from social media.
Speaker 3: Shot when I was in college doing this, oh man,
Speaker 3: I would have been probably modeling uh razors for your
Speaker 3: bald head and all kinds of butter and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You know. But and so people have more of an
Speaker 3: incentive to work their butts off. But also, like like
Speaker 3: Ayanna said, with a family man and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you know, that's fuel to the fire. Cam le row
Speaker 3: with the baby, that's fuel to the fire.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just so many different things that people have now where.
Speaker 3: And also when you when you're older, you know, father time,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of tells you you can't do this anymore,
Speaker 3: you know, and you're trying to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, if he didn't tell, if he didn't tell
Speaker 1: you ship either, don't listen to you know, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. He doesn't speak my language, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I don't listen to. But you know, but my dad, Now,
Speaker 3: I used to listen to my dad hard because I
Speaker 3: hid my tattoos from him and my ear piercing from him.
Speaker 3: And I was twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: How do you hide in ear piercing? Did you grow
Speaker 1: up what you wear? Tapover?
Speaker 3: No? I just didn't. I didn't go home from college
Speaker 3: for a few days, you know what I'm saying, for
Speaker 3: a few weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, you're coming home to visit? I said, Noah,
Speaker 3: I got a lot of work to do. I got
Speaker 3: X Y and Z and stuff like that. Oh my parents.
Speaker 3: My parents are old school, so you.
Speaker 1: Know, hiding even to this day, even.
Speaker 3: Though they always checked me for anything when you got
Speaker 3: another tattoo. Oh Lord, have mercy. But going back man.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that that as we're aging man
Speaker 3: and we don't know when our last role is going
Speaker 3: to be. So we're like, I'm gonna lay it all
Speaker 3: out on the table and here you go, you know,
Speaker 3: and hopefully they'll call me back. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: because I know people was asking me, Yo, you're gonna
Speaker 3: be like going off on People said that ain't me.
Speaker 3: That's just not who I am. I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be calm, I'm gonna be cool. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 3: some laughs. You know how keep is. I don't get
Speaker 3: in the drama. You know, I'm gonna play the game
Speaker 3: the way I want to play it, and if people
Speaker 3: like it cool, if people don't, I'm not goin to
Speaker 3: do all that cuss and fighting and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: because that ain't that ain't who I am.
Speaker 2: I think you've had very powerful and impactful moments without
Speaker 2: doing any of those things. Like the first episode, we
Speaker 2: were all feeling for you when you finish that and like.
Speaker 4: Seeing me, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And then now this episode you just won, and I
Speaker 2: think that everybody on the stands watching you felt it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we saw the interviews with people
Speaker 1: being like we never heard him grow like that before,
Speaker 1: Like right, everyone felt that at you never heard him
Speaker 1: yell right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the time to do it, Like when
Speaker 2: you're showing and like all of your students and your
Speaker 2: kids are gonna watch you, and you're like, dude, that
Speaker 2: man fifty years old and crushing it, like you're you're
Speaker 2: showing up in such a differ amazing way. So I
Speaker 2: think that you're showing up exactly how you need to be,
Speaker 2: and I think it's dope to watch you, Like, well,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing TJ said too. He said, you know,
Speaker 3: my guy, he said, you played the game your way.
Speaker 3: You didn't compromise it for anything, he said, you you know,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate He said, you probably one of the
Speaker 3: nicest dudes I've ever met on the challenge. Oh you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. That meant a lot coming from
Speaker 3: him because he, you know, TJ is quick with the
Speaker 3: with the one liners. He don't care who he offens, who.
Speaker 1: We tell the true one.
Speaker 3: And so he said that to me. I was like, Okay, did.
Speaker 4: He say that to you before or after he saw
Speaker 4: you twerk?
Speaker 1: We need to know. We got to back up. We
Speaker 1: got to back up because maybe you should have been
Speaker 1: an actor or a stunt double. When you fell, it
Speaker 1: looked so realistic. I need to know. Did you pull
Speaker 1: your hamstring or did you not?
Speaker 3: No? I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: Now, so you were just injury free?
Speaker 3: Yeah, injury free. I'm I'm a So you just faked
Speaker 3: this out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: By nature?
Speaker 1: It was so it was so believable, It was so
Speaker 1: good it was and it was so unexpected. I feel
Speaker 1: like you've shown us so many sides of you, but
Speaker 1: that right there took it. That was it for me.
Speaker 1: I was cracking up, dude, and he was so believable.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing about that is like nowadays, like I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say out any names when people on
Speaker 2: the Challenge thirty nine, like the Flagship have literally said
Speaker 2: that people from All Stars and you know, just coming
Speaker 2: at people's age saying they're creaky and old. And for
Speaker 2: you to have that fucking moment where you literally make
Speaker 2: everyone believe that maybe you did get injured, and then
Speaker 2: you start working like.
Speaker 1: I just want I want that great bath, that great back.
Speaker 1: Nothing creaky about that bad, right, dude, nothing creaky he
Speaker 1: was doing. He was like doing what's it called cows?
Speaker 1: Not even everything is right. I would have been like,
Speaker 1: give me water. You were like, hold on, you finished
Speaker 1: elimination one more trick. Well you you got.
Speaker 2: That celebration and you got to win, and then you
Speaker 2: had to go stand and watch Ayana and Rachel.
Speaker 1: Who was your money on before the game started?
Speaker 3: Man, I think it really was on Rachel. And the
Speaker 3: reason why is because Ayana was going through so much
Speaker 3: of a mental windstorm, you know, two days prior. It's
Speaker 3: hard for some of the greatest athletes to put it
Speaker 3: all together, you know what I mean coming from it
Speaker 3: when when you're going against a great competition like Rachel.
Speaker 3: You know, Rachel's a beast, you know, and yes, straight
Speaker 3: up and take nothing from Mayana because she's she's fueled
Speaker 3: by something different. You know, Like at that one point
Speaker 3: when Ayana wasn't saying anything, she was sitting and they
Speaker 3: was in a stalemate, you know, but you know, just
Speaker 3: knowing athleticism. You know, I saw Rachel had it, man,
Speaker 3: he really had it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, yeah, I mean it's just one
Speaker 2: of the Rachel runs with the best of them. She's
Speaker 2: another one that you know, has been planning in for
Speaker 2: a long time. Her and I work out together in
Speaker 2: Miami and she crushes me every time.
Speaker 1: And I am a quote unquote new school So.
Speaker 2: I Rachel, people, no matter who you are, she's given
Speaker 2: you a run for your money. And I think that
Speaker 2: Ayana also is a beast, but like, yeah, there's so
Speaker 2: much that goes into winning an elimination, Like you really
Speaker 2: do have to be in the right head space and
Speaker 2: you and I think that, Yeah, it just it just
Speaker 2: wasn't her night. But regardless of how messy some of
Speaker 2: the situation she was in, Like, I feel like she
Speaker 2: got to share her story in a beautiful way and
Speaker 2: she has a way of making you root for her
Speaker 2: from the outside regardless of what she you know, of
Speaker 2: the drama she gets involved in. So, yeah, it sucks
Speaker 2: that Cyrus and Ayana have to go, but it's dope
Speaker 2: that you and Rachel get to stay.
Speaker 4: And now you guys need to get a star.
Speaker 1: And so what was that like? For you getting off.
Speaker 3: That was I was huge, man, because I was trying
Speaker 3: to figure out, like, how can I get a star
Speaker 3: without going into the elimination round. But then at the
Speaker 3: same time, it like it really there's no other way,
Speaker 3: because you know, if you happen to finish in the
Speaker 3: bottom of one of these you know, challenges, you're going
Speaker 3: you know, they're going to vote you in based off
Speaker 3: of the relationship. And I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: get your star, man, get your stars, save your behind,
Speaker 3: you know, for another week, and let's do it. And
Speaker 3: so when I got it, you know, I come from
Speaker 3: the from the old school of you take down the
Speaker 3: big dog first so that you can make yourself, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of cruise through the rest of the way. So
Speaker 3: that's why I selected Brad, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because it's like, yo, Brad's a beast. I gotta take
Speaker 3: down the big dog first, you know, And people say, well,
Speaker 3: he come back after you. Man. Look, I'd rather be
Speaker 3: running in front than to be running from behind. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I need you to do something. I need you to
Speaker 1: come on all the shows in the beginning and sit
Speaker 1: down and just you know, or send a letter and
Speaker 1: email a letter an email to future contestants on this show,
Speaker 1: future participants and just let them know that. But then
Speaker 1: also don't because I feel like I'm a guitar, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You also get weaponized. I think
Speaker 1: when you're a bigger, stronger, browner competitor, it happens a lot, especially,
Speaker 1: But I am grateful that you're here for the representation too,
Speaker 1: which makes me, which makes me happy because back then
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of us all at one time.
Speaker 1: There was only like one.
Speaker 3: That's it, you know, there's that one dude, So it
Speaker 3: was no problem that people knew you because you was
Speaker 3: the only one for the next eight months.
Speaker 1: Right. However, however, it's it's nice to have that and
Speaker 1: that camaraderie and that kind of like you know, you
Speaker 1: need whatever. It's nice to see that. It's also nice
Speaker 1: to see like the emotional part two, have the strong
Speaker 1: part two and say you can be all of these things.
Speaker 1: So I'm grateful that you are there. I'm grateful that
Speaker 1: you can express that and you don't have to be
Speaker 1: you know, you don't shot you're not an angry person.
Speaker 1: Like to show these different layers, these different dimensions to
Speaker 1: your personality, So thank.
Speaker 3: You for that, no problem, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's literally amazing watching you. You're and watching
Speaker 2: amazing watching you.
Speaker 4: It's amazing watching you be well like you you really
Speaker 4: you really, you really gave it to us.
Speaker 1: You're giving, You're serving this season. The fans are starving
Speaker 1: and we feel fed now, So thank you.
Speaker 3: So appreciate they appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you do you think that this elimination wind proved
Speaker 2: something to the people in the house.
Speaker 3: Yes, I definitely do. You know. Uh, actually two things.
Speaker 3: One thing is, uh, we need to watch out for them,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you know, because he is
Speaker 3: he is tough, he's not afraid to go ahead and
Speaker 3: head with someone. The other thing is that even after
Speaker 3: the elimination, you know, I guess, without getting too forward,
Speaker 3: there's no love loss. You know, you did what you
Speaker 3: had to do. We go back into the house. Because
Speaker 3: at the same time, why would I start hating on
Speaker 3: someone who I know I probably will be on your
Speaker 3: team soon, and then you may not have the trust
Speaker 3: in me, you know, you may say that, well, I
Speaker 3: don't trust that he's going to actually give it his all,
Speaker 3: so I don't want to put him on my team
Speaker 3: as opposed to saying like, yo, Keith is still legit
Speaker 3: and he's a tough competitor. I want him now on
Speaker 3: my team because it gives me a better chance to
Speaker 3: not get eliminated.
Speaker 2: See you said, all the girls are playing smart games,
Speaker 2: and look at you.
Speaker 1: This is like five steps ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that. That's that old wisdom.
Speaker 1: This is smart.
Speaker 2: We like the old wisdom, right, yeah, and I am
Speaker 2: excited to see how it translates. I also want to
Speaker 2: get your take on what you think about how Rachel
Speaker 2: chose ten star to give to Veronica. What did that
Speaker 2: feel like being there in person? Did you believe that
Speaker 2: maybe there was a conversation had prior. Was everyone kind
Speaker 2: of shocked by it?
Speaker 3: I think I think some people were shocked. I wasn't
Speaker 3: shocked because how it played, it's it's really, you know,
Speaker 3: just protecting each other, you know what I mean, because uh,
Speaker 3: you know, V is the one that I think. I think,
Speaker 3: to me, they really protect V even though she doesn't
Speaker 3: need the protection. But you know, it's it's just that
Speaker 3: you can kind of see that relationship. The three of
Speaker 3: them have a bond that beyond the cameras that's going
Speaker 3: to last, you know, the test of time, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. And so you know that definitely was
Speaker 3: a conversation about it. You know, even though I didn't
Speaker 3: witness it. Rachel is a calculated person and the way
Speaker 3: they all you know, smiled throughout the process, knew the hate.
Speaker 3: It worked out the exact way we plan, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And so it was, it was it
Speaker 3: was not surprising, I guess I should say for myself
Speaker 3: because it's like if she stole her star, it was like,
Speaker 3: what is she going to do with it? Because you
Speaker 3: just see Rachel's face, you know, it's like, Okay, she
Speaker 3: got something else up her sleeve. And then when she
Speaker 3: did it that way, I was out. That's just the
Speaker 3: way they are, man. You know, I loved it, oh man,
Speaker 3: in that situation because now I was thinking of personally,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, taking a star myself, you know,
Speaker 3: and giving it to someone else. But then I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: people don't know you yet. You need to protect yourself.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and take the star from the big dog
Speaker 3: and just ride with it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Because now since the big dog is not safe, this
Speaker 3: next challenge you don't know. It may be something you
Speaker 3: need you know that you're good at, you know that
Speaker 3: you're great at, and it may put him in automatically
Speaker 3: get them off the table. So now you know you're
Speaker 3: you're one one notch above and just keep on moving
Speaker 3: that way, you know, because this season.
Speaker 5: With that was the first physical challenge, right you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, that was the first physical elimination, you know,
Speaker 5: And so I was like, what if the rest of
Speaker 5: them are puzzles, are more physical eliminations, you know, who knows?
Speaker 3: So this game can go anywhere. So I was like,
Speaker 3: at least I know that if I get a star,
Speaker 3: I'm protected from you know, him in the future, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So that's that's my whole deal.
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting, like you don't really have
Speaker 2: a choice to not steal I mean, obviously if you
Speaker 2: if you need one, then you need to steal it.
Speaker 2: But like in Rachel's had to steal it, So it
Speaker 2: definitely creates it creates that extra layer of drama and calculation,
Speaker 2: which is interesting to know now. But yeah, going forward,
Speaker 2: like is there now that you have a star, what's
Speaker 2: your mindset? Is there anything that you can tease for
Speaker 2: the for the future of this season without giving away
Speaker 2: any spoilers, Like is there any new alliances that form?
Speaker 2: Do you, you know, use your star to command power,
Speaker 2: like tell us the Jews.
Speaker 3: Well, taking getting a start, you automatically know that you
Speaker 3: are now walking around the house with a poor chop
Speaker 3: around your neck and he's a hungry lions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So if I didn't have enough reason for them to
Speaker 3: go after me before, I definitely do now, which is
Speaker 3: fine with me because now I kind of I'm kind
Speaker 3: of now orchestrating their mindset, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily you know, hey walking around tiptoeing
Speaker 3: around me, you know, saying all these stories or saying whatever. Well, keeople,
Speaker 3: we don't know him. Da da da da. It's like,
Speaker 3: now I got a start, so I do have a
Speaker 3: reason for you to come after me. So if you're
Speaker 3: gonna come, come on, you know, And I'd rather for
Speaker 3: you to say that you're gonna come, because now I
Speaker 3: know that I can fight you from the front and
Speaker 3: I don't have to fight you from the.
Speaker 1: Back totally, you know. I love the confidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, but you know, I'm gonna see
Speaker 3: how long I can keep it. You know, nothing lasts whatever,
Speaker 3: but it would be good, you know, because I'm hearing
Speaker 3: all these stories about who knows when a purge is
Speaker 3: coming and all this kind of.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody loves to say the P word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the birds on the whole season.
Speaker 3: And we know about horror movies. What happened horror move
Speaker 3: Black people die first. So what I'm saying, so I know,
Speaker 3: if a come, I better watch out.
Speaker 1: Are we to expect Eddie Moore huge fights?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: It's spicy. You know, this is spicy.
Speaker 3: It's going to fight to the end. That's just that's
Speaker 3: what reality TV is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, it's it's spicy on
Speaker 1: All Stars though, yeah, you get over thirty five, He's
Speaker 1: just get spicy, right right.
Speaker 3: It's like that crazy that crazy uncle that say everything
Speaker 3: to everybody. You know, well, you know the interineal daddy.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, shut up, you can say something because
Speaker 3: you feel like I'm old enough and I can get
Speaker 3: away with it. So that's what that's what happened. You know,
Speaker 3: you got old people in the in the house, and
Speaker 3: they gonna say stuff. I love that.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't wait to use that if I
Speaker 1: go on another show, I'm using that exact thing, like
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm old. I can't control it.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: You can't. That's that's discrimination. Now, that's like agent, you
Speaker 1: leave me alone here exactly, Keithles said.
Speaker 3: So that's a rule, that's right.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so good. Well listen, Keith.
Speaker 2: It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the podcast
Speaker 2: and watching you so far this season.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for what's to come up in the.
Speaker 2: Future and where can people follow you on social media
Speaker 2: if you have any or if there's anything that you
Speaker 2: want support on in the social media realm, like drop
Speaker 2: your handle now.
Speaker 3: Oh man, pretty much all social media platforms. My first
Speaker 3: and last name keith la hair k E f l
Speaker 3: A h A r E. At Instagram, what's that? The Twitter?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: TikTok of course the old folks. Facebook. My Space is
Speaker 3: probably still out there somewhere if you want to do that,
Speaker 3: but go and look it up. And you know, I
Speaker 3: had my my private settings on, but I guess it's
Speaker 3: time to take it off soon. Yeah, do that. I
Speaker 3: appreciate it. So I appreciate it because I mean looking
Speaker 3: at everybody's social media, like, damn, they don't even know
Speaker 3: me yet, you know, so I can't even like I
Speaker 3: hit follow or you know, ask for a request. Nobody
Speaker 3: say anything back. But it's all good, you know, it's
Speaker 3: all because.
Speaker 2: You've made your You've made your second debut, You've made
Speaker 2: your second day. He's back and gentlemen, keep blessed us
Speaker 2: with his presence and we are excited to see where
Speaker 2: this goes.
Speaker 3: Come on, now, go watch your boy, and thank.
Speaker 1: You again for coming on the show. Keiper. Seriously, Pa,
Speaker 1: You're amazing.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, ladies, love you so much. Man, thank y'all.
Speaker 1: What an incredible guy. Like, Yes, he's incredible.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to like re meet him in a
Speaker 2: way because it's been so long since he's been on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: But he is making an absolutely astounding re entrance. What
Speaker 1: do you think of, Lisa Toy you were in a
Speaker 1: diaper re meet him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've seen the I've seen episodes like clips
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to study, Anissa. Oh, I like that
Speaker 2: you're studying.
Speaker 1: Thank you. No, but he is he is great. I
Speaker 1: think he's just so funny, and I think that you
Speaker 1: should try that move at some point.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't think I could pull it off as.
Speaker 1: Good as him. It was so good. I want to
Speaker 1: watch it again. It was so I really thought he
Speaker 1: was hurt. God, it was so good.
Speaker 2: Honestly, anybody listening to this, if you have watched it
Speaker 2: and you have the ability to screen record it and
Speaker 2: send it to us, please send it to me.
Speaker 1: And Anissa, where can they send it to you? What's
Speaker 1: your handle on Instagram? Oh, Anissa, MTV A N E
Speaker 1: E s A m TV send it to me? Yeah? Yeah, toy?
Speaker 1: Yeah can Where can they find you? Follow you, support you,
Speaker 1: buy a book, Thank you, bye whatever, Thank you, Anisa.
Speaker 2: You guys can come over to me at Tory Underscore
Speaker 2: Deal on everything. Literally just click the link in my
Speaker 2: bio and you will be connected to all my beautiful, cute, little, pretty,
Speaker 2: little perfect links and you'll find all of my stuff
Speaker 2: and definitely send me more videos of keifletworking because that
Speaker 2: was just absolutely incredible. And thanks for joining us for
Speaker 2: another episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast. And if you
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Speaker 2: official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Bye.