Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guest Ryan Chrysler. We've had
Speaker 1: him on the pod before. Works with me here at
Speaker 1: the Floridian. One of the best instructors in the country.
Speaker 1: But Ryan, it's always a fun week for us here
Speaker 1: at Floridian. We had the Valsbar Collegiate Invitational this week.
Speaker 1: Some of the best college teams in the country. Some
Speaker 1: of the best college players in the country. Would we
Speaker 1: have eleven of the top twenty at PGA Tour you
Speaker 1: some of the packed stacked powerhouses Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are some really good North Carolina. They're one of
Speaker 1: the best teams in the country. Florida State one Luke
Speaker 1: Clanton who plays at Florida State. He won. But it's
Speaker 1: really cool for us because we've watched this now. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many years has this been going rc I.
Speaker 2: Think at least ten years, ten years.
Speaker 1: And one of the cool things that that we started here.
Speaker 1: The winner of this collegiate tournament gets an invite into
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five vals Bar on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: So everyone that's won this tournament is going on to
Speaker 1: play in a PGA Tour event. I think Ryan, that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that didn't you know, when I
Speaker 1: talk to my dad, when I talk to some of
Speaker 1: the old guard, that didn't happen as much. Amateurs, college
Speaker 1: players were not getting the access to professional tournaments the
Speaker 1: way they are now.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, Back in my day, you get your car
Speaker 2: through Q school and it's kind of gotten contracted a
Speaker 2: little bit over the years. But now with PGA two
Speaker 2: or you, all the players that are here this week,
Speaker 2: they have a chance to get a car, you know,
Speaker 2: and to get an event, an extra ticket, to punch
Speaker 2: an event to a tour player, for a turn for turn,
Speaker 2: a tour tournament that can change your life in one week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is an amazing opportunity. You're a
Speaker 1: college golfer and you win a tournament in March of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, you know that you're going to play
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, in APGA Tour event in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. We've had some pretty cool winners here. I
Speaker 1: remember coming here and that Oklahoma State that had Victor
Speaker 1: Hovlin on it VIX one here. He's now a member here.
Speaker 1: But Matt Wolf, Chris Vin Tura, they were packed. I
Speaker 1: remember watching Cameron Champ play here for the first time.
Speaker 1: We had Gordon Sargent play here this week, who's one
Speaker 1: of the longest players.
Speaker 2: Ab won last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lud big Ever won this tournament last year. So
Speaker 1: we have got to see kind of a we've had
Speaker 1: a ringside seat to some of the next generation of
Speaker 1: college golfers. But it's always and that next generation of
Speaker 1: college golfers is going to be the next generation of
Speaker 1: professional golfers on the PGA Tour Europe Live wherever, Asia, wherever.
Speaker 1: But it has been really cool to watch something. I
Speaker 1: remember one year Oklahoma State was playing in our tournament.
Speaker 1: Wyndham Clark, I mean Oklahoma State is their cruising to
Speaker 1: winning the team competition. Would win to make on the
Speaker 1: last hole a man or something. He made double digits
Speaker 1: on the last hole. Ninko was double digits the eighteenth
Speaker 1: hole here at our club, the Floridian, very difficult finishing hole,
Speaker 1: water all the way from the te box, all the
Speaker 1: way down the left hand side. It's just a very
Speaker 1: very difficult driving hole. So we've seen over the last
Speaker 1: ten years or see some of the best amateurs, some
Speaker 1: of the best college players in the world who have
Speaker 1: gone on to do great things. You know, Victor Hovlin,
Speaker 1: Camera Champ, Matt Wolf, you know Ludwig. I mean, these
Speaker 1: guys are all studs playing on the big stage now,
Speaker 1: but when we're watching them play on this stage, they're
Speaker 1: still making a lot of the mistakes that we talked about.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to go through kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the guy that won Luke Clanton, So eighteen birdies for
Speaker 1: three rounds, one eagle, yep, six bogies and he wins
Speaker 1: by five shots, win's by five shots. So we kind
Speaker 1: of went through and did a deep dive on his stats.
Speaker 1: So for three rounds, one under or on the par threes, right,
Speaker 1: four under for the week on the par fours, nine
Speaker 1: under for the week on the par fives, textbook championship
Speaker 1: numbers I think right, So didn't really make six bogies
Speaker 1: for the week, nothing special, didn't make any big numbers
Speaker 1: to make no triples, right. So Gordon Sergeant, who I
Speaker 1: think most people listening to this will know who he is.
Speaker 1: He played in the Masters last year. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy is a.
Speaker 2: NCAA champion in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a stud, right, He's kind of like
Speaker 1: the prototype of what everyone thinks a college golfer will
Speaker 1: look like. You know, there were a lot of people
Speaker 1: when he played at Augusta last year or see that
Speaker 1: early on in the week were saying, due to his length,
Speaker 1: could he be someone that contended. He missed the cup
Speaker 1: by miles, not a diss against him, But my point
Speaker 1: behind this is, so when we go and look at
Speaker 1: Gordon Sergeant, who is everyone thinks he can't mess right.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks that he will be playing and winning on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour sometime in the next two years. Right.
Speaker 1: So for the three rounds, twelve birdies, nine bogies, three
Speaker 1: doubles and then on the eighteenth hole here par four
Speaker 1: makes an eight, so a quad right, so easily one
Speaker 1: of the longest hitters currently playing competitive professional golf.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean one ninety plus boss easy.
Speaker 1: I mean he cruises. You can go on, you can
Speaker 1: go on Instagram, you can go on YouTube, you can
Speaker 1: go on, and there are a million golf swing nerds
Speaker 1: talking about his golf. The kid is a stud. But
Speaker 1: he still makes three doubles and an eight on a
Speaker 1: par four, nine bogies for the week, so the leader, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he only makes six more birdies. You would think that
Speaker 1: that would be the thing that would be the calling card.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's the it's the quads, it's the doubles.
Speaker 1: And so when we looked at Gordon Sergeant for the week,
Speaker 1: one over for the far three. So he plays the
Speaker 1: par threes in one over, which is pretty much about average.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this on the pod before, Ryan,
Speaker 1: but I've told this story Jim Herman, who was a
Speaker 1: member here at Floridian. Jim Herman, by his own admission,
Speaker 1: would be in that journeyman kind of mule. He's just
Speaker 1: he is a rank and filed PJ Tour player won
Speaker 1: three or four times one in Houston on a very long,
Speaker 1: big golf course, something that you wouldn't think someone like
Speaker 1: Jim Herman would went on. But there was a kid
Speaker 1: that I was teaching who was getting ready to go
Speaker 1: play college golf Division I college golf at the University
Speaker 1: of Michigan, and I said, hey, give his kid some advice,
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget that. Jim Herman said, hey, play
Speaker 1: the par threes and one over for the week. You'll
Speaker 1: probably have a chance to win. So the guy that
Speaker 1: finished second this week plays the par threes in one over. Right,
Speaker 1: the guy who wins the tournament two shots the leader
Speaker 1: two shots back of the leader on par three par threes. Right,
Speaker 1: So you finish under par on the par threes elite
Speaker 1: for the week, you are probably going to have a
Speaker 1: chance to win the golf tournament just because the par
Speaker 1: threes are so difficult.
Speaker 2: So especially here because we have five part three.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we have five par threes. So if you
Speaker 1: can take advantage of that. But if you're over, if
Speaker 1: you're even, if you play the par threes, and I'll
Speaker 1: keep saying this, and I'm sure there's people listening or
Speaker 1: say that. I'll say, heard this before, play the par
Speaker 1: threes and even for the week, the guy wins this
Speaker 1: golf tournament cleans up on the par fives, under par
Speaker 1: on the par threes, four under on the par fives,
Speaker 1: are on the par fours for the week.
Speaker 2: Let the feel by two shots on that stet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's minus four for three rounds on the
Speaker 1: par fours and he wins that stat by almost by
Speaker 1: three shots. So it just goes to show you, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of players are going to be
Speaker 1: under par this week on the par five.
Speaker 2: Almost every I mean, the list is super long here.
Speaker 1: How many players playing there's.
Speaker 2: Probably I'm doing a quick math here. Let's say there's
Speaker 2: eighty players here, maybe a little bit more. Yeah, on
Speaker 2: par five scoring even pars basically bottom half of the
Speaker 2: field plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So everybody is going to expect and is taking
Speaker 1: advantage of the part fast. If you're not taking advantage
Speaker 1: of the par fives, regardless of what your handicap is, right,
Speaker 1: So if you aren't making so if you're in that,
Speaker 1: I think the.
Speaker 2: Way you take advantage of the parth right par fives
Speaker 2: is you've still make any mistakes in the par fo yes,
Speaker 2: just don't make bogies on par five if it's too long.
Speaker 2: Do we really need to hit driver if we're automatically
Speaker 2: going to lay up and if driver's networking, whatever, if
Speaker 2: the fairways wider at whatever, your three wood distances to
Speaker 2: thirty two forty I about three with off the tea
Speaker 2: five iron, nine irons, something along those instead of maybe
Speaker 2: a driver mistake, three wood mistake dropping from sixty short
Speaker 2: of the water whatever.
Speaker 1: And we've got a stretch here at the Floridian. If
Speaker 1: for those of you that haven't played here, the stretch
Speaker 1: where you really want to take advantage of. Here is
Speaker 1: on our front nine. We have a from from all
Speaker 1: the way back, like a six hundred yard.
Speaker 2: Starting number five years.
Speaker 1: The fifth hole is around a six hundred yard but
Speaker 1: they normally play it a little bit of Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they're playing it over five. Yeah, they're over five fifty.
Speaker 1: It's a par five. Six is a driveable par four,
Speaker 1: and then seven is a gettable depending on the wind,
Speaker 1: but it would be the easiest, should be the easiest.
Speaker 1: It's a par five. So you've got par five drivable,
Speaker 1: par four, par five. That's where you need to make
Speaker 1: your score. That's where you need to kind of pick up.
Speaker 1: So it's always interesting to watch when we have the
Speaker 1: best college players in the country, watch them how they
Speaker 1: play that that three hole stretch, how aggressive they are
Speaker 1: and do they pick up shots? How many shots do
Speaker 1: they pick up? So if you've got an easy stretch
Speaker 1: of your golf course, every golf course has an easy stretch,
Speaker 1: and here at the Floridian, that is the easy stretch.
Speaker 1: Par five, drivable, par four, gettible reachable par five, right,
Speaker 1: so you could conceivably play that in four or five
Speaker 1: under conably. Yet yeah, I mean, you could you could
Speaker 1: go egle eagle eagle, but you're looking to not give
Speaker 1: shots way. So again, we're watching some of the best
Speaker 1: college players in the country, some of the best amateurs
Speaker 1: in the world still make mistakes on gettible holes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's It's really great for because I had
Speaker 2: one of our juniors on a team out there today.
Speaker 2: It's really great for him to see that the these
Speaker 2: guys are human and there we were on seventeen and eighteen.
Speaker 2: That's where I saw our sergeant make make the quad
Speaker 2: on eighteen and seventeen. The seventeenth hole actually played basically
Speaker 2: right in the middle of the pack for the holes
Speaker 2: they played at four point three shots over par and
Speaker 2: it's basically a two twenty shot off the tee, maybe
Speaker 2: into the wind today, so maybe it's playing two fifty
Speaker 2: and then it's a wedge on the grind and where
Speaker 2: the pin was today. I saw at least a three
Speaker 2: plot from every player or what from one player for
Speaker 2: every group that I saw, especially the ones that were the.
Speaker 1: Hole just getting out of position with a pott that's downhill,
Speaker 1: got a lot of speed, it's probably windy.
Speaker 2: It's one of our signature holes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, green's exposed.
Speaker 2: It's exposed to the water. The wind's coming in off
Speaker 2: the water. It's like three separate greens in wand today
Speaker 2: the pinless kind of front right inside the bowl. If
Speaker 2: you if you were out out side of the ball,
Speaker 2: you are pressing five plus eight nine feet to make
Speaker 2: your two button, and a lot of them didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is an example of positioning your golf ball.
Speaker 1: So you want to say, as a player, regardless of
Speaker 1: your handicap range, figure out where the pin is. We're
Speaker 1: watching some of the best college golfers. Who who there
Speaker 1: are people playing in this tournament this week, the Vallsbar
Speaker 1: Collegiate Invitational, who will be playing on the FGA Tour
Speaker 1: in the next two to five years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have players who've played in the US Open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got players major. Regardless of what your handicap
Speaker 1: range is, take a look at where the pin is
Speaker 1: and say, okay, let me give myself the easiest leave here.
Speaker 1: So let me lead this. If the pin's on a slope,
Speaker 1: say to yourself, okay, let me get this below the hole.
Speaker 1: It's going to be easier twenty five feet below the
Speaker 1: hole than it is going to be to ten feet
Speaker 1: above the hole. Let me look at where the easiest
Speaker 1: putt is. Do I want to be right of the flag?
Speaker 1: Do I want to be left of the flag. But
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that when we are watching
Speaker 1: a lot of these really raw college players, is how
Speaker 1: aggressive they all are. How many I mean, I'm watching,
Speaker 1: you know, over the course of today, I went out
Speaker 1: and I drove around and I'm watching college coaches shake
Speaker 1: their heads watching the mistakes that I can't believe.
Speaker 2: The quad that Gordon Sergeant made today, I just can't
Speaker 2: believe it. Water on the left side, number eighteen. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like pebble beach on the eighteen.
Speaker 1: But how far is it? What the planet today?
Speaker 2: We were pretty far back, so maybe four eighty.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's four eighty. But you've got to figure
Speaker 1: a kid like Gordon Sergeant hits his four iron how
Speaker 1: far to fifty? Yeah, so he doesn't even need to
Speaker 1: hit driver. There, he hits driver, right, he hits driver
Speaker 1: and he starts it over the water.
Speaker 2: He starts it over the water and.
Speaker 1: It basically double crossed. It didn't cut, didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: We're just basically hit it right on a rope, lined
Speaker 2: up right at the edge of the green, right side of.
Speaker 1: The green, thinking probably he was gonna cut a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know, that's probably brown fifteen twenty five out there,
Speaker 2: hit a dead straight right through it.
Speaker 1: And the wind's flowing from left to.
Speaker 2: Right to right, left to right for the player.
Speaker 1: Left to right. So picture this, so standing on the
Speaker 1: eighteenth hole, water all the way down the left hand side,
Speaker 1: wind left to right. So this player, Gordon thinks, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hammer driver down there right the wind's
Speaker 1: gonna push it. I'm gonna have nothing left because he
Speaker 1: can take advantage of his unbelievable length, and again.
Speaker 2: He ends up having to drop maybe one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty yards off the team. Maybe I didn't see exactly
Speaker 2: where he dropped from. It was close that he could
Speaker 2: barely advance out past the tee. It was. It was
Speaker 2: pretty close. So the players decided, you know, probably one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty other So he had like three probably
Speaker 2: plus three hundred plus coming in.
Speaker 1: So what do you do that next?
Speaker 2: Hits An Iron didn't see the rest of the hole unfold.
Speaker 2: I was back on seventeen waiting for Clinton to come through.
Speaker 2: But whatever the matter is, you just so.
Speaker 1: When you make an eight on a par four that's
Speaker 1: almost five hundred yards, you've got to ask yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: for a kid like Gordon Sergeant, he could hit five iron.
Speaker 2: We play this game all the time. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at we talked about this in round offence all the time.
Speaker 2: You could literally go five iron, five iron, five iron
Speaker 2: and not even have a putter and maybe two for
Speaker 2: two putt for Bogie in that situation. Whatever. I don't
Speaker 2: know where Vanderbilt I think Vannerbelt finished second. Let me
Speaker 2: bring it up here.
Speaker 1: They finished second.
Speaker 2: As a team, they finished four shots behind Florida. Potentially
Speaker 2: a par there ties the tournament.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know how all the other scores unfolded.
Speaker 1: But when you're doing the math like that, he's going
Speaker 1: to look back at this and say, yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: make there. Maybe we have a chance as a team
Speaker 1: to make to win. There's a lot of other variables,
Speaker 1: but in just doing some simple math, his coaches will
Speaker 1: be saying to him, hey, you make a par there,
Speaker 1: we have a chance to win this tournament potentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Cole Sherwood sixty six.
Speaker 1: Today, Well here's the thing. R See if he does
Speaker 1: make par instead of making an eight on a par four.
Speaker 1: They've got a hell of a lot better chance, yes,
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to win the golf tournament. Yes,
Speaker 1: than finishing four back and not winning.
Speaker 2: They had the count of sixty six, sixty four, seventy
Speaker 2: and then the fourth score was seventy two.
Speaker 1: Seventeenth hole, Bryan, it's a drivable par four for us
Speaker 1: here at Floridian.
Speaker 2: Great great design.
Speaker 1: How many players were you seeing try and go for
Speaker 1: the green.
Speaker 2: I'd not see anyone go for the green, not even
Speaker 2: Gordon straight into the win today.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's no real reward and there's no real
Speaker 1: place to hit driver on our seventeenth hole. The winds
Speaker 1: blowing like that, it's into you've got a better chance
Speaker 1: if you take and driver of hitting it into one
Speaker 1: of the bunkers, then you have by just.
Speaker 2: I would say if three is a relatively easy driving
Speaker 2: hole or a driving course except for fourteen and eighteen here,
Speaker 2: and it's sixty yards wide with a foe iron off
Speaker 2: that tee with some of you guys the way they
Speaker 2: hit it sixty yards two bunkers out there, I mean
Speaker 2: it's no layup right. The green is a diabolically creative,
Speaker 2: three greens and one type of green, and where the
Speaker 2: pen today was just diabolical. Today's wind back right front,
Speaker 2: right side the bowl. Yeah, so above the hole. Seven
Speaker 2: eighths of the green is above the hole, and if
Speaker 2: you're above the hole, you're pretty much lucky if you
Speaker 2: make your eight foot or comeback for apart. So a
Speaker 2: great pen placement today. And again I get the stats.
Speaker 2: Played probably the ninth or tenth hardest hole.
Speaker 1: And how far is it.
Speaker 2: I didn't see exactly where they teed it up from today,
Speaker 2: but it's it's three seventy five maybe five. So Brooks
Speaker 2: has done the famous commercial there, done that, so it
Speaker 2: got the gain been on the green from every two
Speaker 2: box there. So it's relatively driveable. It can be done.
Speaker 2: Not today with today's wind. But the greens today were
Speaker 2: just lightning, which is really our main defense the green
Speaker 2: complexes in the chipping and putting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so when it does get really really windy,
Speaker 1: the greens are going to get firmer. The greens are
Speaker 1: going to get great today faster. Tell everybody listening, Ryan,
Speaker 1: when you are out there in windy conditions, like we
Speaker 1: saw the college kids today, and we saw them yesterday
Speaker 1: do it was pretty windy. How is that going to
Speaker 1: affect putting? And how is that going to affect short game?
Speaker 2: It definitely affects putting. It may, especially when those greens
Speaker 2: were exposed like seventeen and eighteen, they could add another
Speaker 2: two or three cups depending upon where the grain is
Speaker 2: coming in your angle. So it is a factor for sure,
Speaker 2: especially when it's gusting. It just makes putting really hard
Speaker 2: when it's that windy.
Speaker 1: If you're putting, if it's windy and your downwind, and
Speaker 1: you've got a twenty thirty foot foot putt and you're
Speaker 1: putting down wind, it is going to have an effect.
Speaker 1: It's going to add big it's going to add speed.
Speaker 1: If you're hitting into the breeze, it's going to add speed.
Speaker 1: If you've got puts at or barking left to right,
Speaker 1: if you've got putts that are breaking right to left
Speaker 1: the wind, if you are playing in a very very
Speaker 1: windy conditioned day, you need to take that into account.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of players never think about it. I
Speaker 2: think whether it's uh, the ball is too low to
Speaker 2: the ground, whatever, it makes a big difference, especially at
Speaker 2: the speed of today's greens.
Speaker 1: One of the other things I always love about watching
Speaker 1: all these college kids play is just the sheer, reckless
Speaker 1: abandon that they drive the golf ball with. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just you just do not see any kids today
Speaker 1: have any driver swings that look like they are trying
Speaker 1: to hit a fair way.
Speaker 2: I would say give some of the kids today some
Speaker 2: credits since it's been a couple hours and eighteen. There
Speaker 2: were a few guys hitting iron off that tea. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fairway woods off that tee. But everybody who did that
Speaker 2: hit kind of the low fairway finder that we always
Speaker 2: preach about. Yeah, just have.
Speaker 1: That low bullet, keep it out of the wind, keep
Speaker 1: it out of the crosswind.
Speaker 2: If I was I should have been keeping stats. But
Speaker 2: everybody who hit driver there just either like sergeant, ride
Speaker 2: the water or way right into the woods into the
Speaker 2: cottages and you're making bogie from there. Yes, at best
Speaker 2: you're struggling. So just these maybe based on the score
Speaker 2: where those guys were playing, I was basically watching them
Speaker 2: the leading groups coming in the smart play there with
Speaker 2: the kids. How far they hit it these days, you
Speaker 2: just banging out there of the bunker, get it in play.
Speaker 2: It's going to be two hundred maybe maxim get on the.
Speaker 1: Front edge of these kids. But just even if you
Speaker 1: just get it up on the front. But I guess
Speaker 1: it's important that everyone listening hear this. There isn't a
Speaker 1: place on the scorecard for you to write anything in
Speaker 1: the box where the score goes other than the score.
Speaker 1: That's why they make it tiny little box. And if
Speaker 1: you make a par, or you make a birdie, or
Speaker 1: you make a bow gear, you make double. There are
Speaker 1: a million different ways you can make a par. There
Speaker 1: are a million different ways you can make a bogie,
Speaker 1: a birdie, a double. So the holes are designed to
Speaker 1: be played a million different ways. You don't always you know,
Speaker 1: it's a tough driving hole of the eighteenth hole. There's
Speaker 1: water all the way down the left hand side, there's
Speaker 1: wind coming from left to right.
Speaker 2: It's a tough we're already on the defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's already screaming defense, defense, defense, defense, defense, defense. Now,
Speaker 1: if you choose on that hole to play offense and
Speaker 1: rip driver down there you and hit the fairway, you
Speaker 1: are going to be rewarded with a shorter iron shot.
Speaker 1: Then if you take the safe play and say, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need to hit driver here, I could
Speaker 1: hit an iron, but if you hit the fairway, you're
Speaker 1: going to be rewarded. If you took an iron off
Speaker 1: a t you're going to be rewarded with hitting an
Speaker 1: iron shot from the fairway. If you hit driver, try
Speaker 1: and be aggressive and don't hit that fairway, you're either
Speaker 1: reteeing from the t box because you've rinsed it in
Speaker 1: the water, or the eighteenth hole at the Floridian. If
Speaker 1: you missed the fairway to the right, it's finable. It's finable,
Speaker 1: but it's you're behind houses, you're in trees, you've got
Speaker 1: sandy lies. So that's the reward you're going to hit.
Speaker 1: So or get for trying to be aggressive off the
Speaker 1: tee and if you don't pull it off. So there's
Speaker 1: always that risk reward. Everyone thinks risk reward is going
Speaker 1: for a driveable par four. That is not risk reward.
Speaker 1: Risk reward is I have a very difficult hole. It's
Speaker 1: got trouble all over the place. Let me just try
Speaker 1: and make a par well.
Speaker 2: Let me give you this stat for eighteen. So the
Speaker 2: hardest hold for the tournament this year usually it's between
Speaker 2: nine eleven eighteen. The field's going over are just four
Speaker 2: point seven to two.
Speaker 1: On which hole eighteen four point seven to two.
Speaker 2: There were nine birdies made.
Speaker 1: There for fifty four holes.
Speaker 2: The best players in college go soies.
Speaker 1: Nine thirties on a par four.
Speaker 2: For the tournament. There is no reward in eighteen other
Speaker 2: than par or even bogie in some cases.
Speaker 1: It's the type of hole to where over the course
Speaker 1: of the of the course of the three days, you're
Speaker 1: saying to yourself, Okay, if I play this hole for
Speaker 1: the three rounds one over, you're picking up, picking up
Speaker 1: massively shots against the field. Right, So, risk reward is
Speaker 1: not always.
Speaker 2: A percentage play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay. This is a hard hole. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find a way to describe it because in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm going, okay, risk reward is okay. There are just
Speaker 1: some holes you know, at your course, at your home course,
Speaker 1: where you play all the time.
Speaker 2: Listen, there's no reward on this whole.
Speaker 1: There's no reward on this hole, and it comes at
Speaker 1: a time to where this is kind of a difficult
Speaker 1: stretch in the golf course as well. So for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: look at that stretch, or look at the stretches at
Speaker 1: your home course. It's you find difficult, right, because there
Speaker 1: are just going to be holes and stretches to too.
Speaker 1: I think most people have that kind of two to
Speaker 1: four hole stretch where you're just like, man, I never
Speaker 1: play these holes good. There are a lot of tough
Speaker 1: driving holes in this stretch. There may be long it's
Speaker 1: tough part four wherever it is, but you are going
Speaker 1: to have that tough stretch, which we have here at
Speaker 1: the Floridian. But we started off talking about the easy
Speaker 1: stretch here, so you're trying to take advantage of the
Speaker 1: easy stretch, but you're also looking at the hard holes
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, if I can just play these hard
Speaker 1: holes in flat, you know, just play them in even
Speaker 1: par for the week, play them even par today, play
Speaker 1: the par threes. You know. Jonathan Dismok, who's the head
Speaker 1: coach at the University of Houston their golf team, one
Speaker 1: of the hosts here, Diz asked me to talk to
Speaker 1: the entire team the other day. I think there were
Speaker 1: seven or eight of the guys here from the University
Speaker 1: of Houston, and I said that to him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you would expect someone like me, who works with the
Speaker 1: players I work with, to give you all sorts of
Speaker 1: swing advice about your golf swing, that about your technique,
Speaker 1: and I just was pounding guys and just don't even
Speaker 1: aim at the flag on the par three. Just play
Speaker 1: them even for the week. Yeah. Just round defense is
Speaker 1: something that we do with our juniors. Are our players
Speaker 1: that we have in this called team flow, and we
Speaker 1: put you up in front of your your peers. We
Speaker 1: put you, we put your scorecard up on the board,
Speaker 1: and then normally we've got a computer and or another
Speaker 1: TV and if you've made a big number on a hole,
Speaker 1: we put your screen cast on. All right, here's your number.
Speaker 1: This is a screen cast of what the whole looks
Speaker 1: like from you can go online and look at that
Speaker 1: and say, all right, so Gordon, sergeant, talk us through
Speaker 1: the eight. Talk us through why you made the decision
Speaker 1: to choose driver. I mean that's the first question i'd
Speaker 1: ask'd say, Okay, Gordon, obviously, with your length, you know,
Speaker 1: and the way you drive the golf ball, it's a massive,
Speaker 1: massive strength of yours. But did it ever enter into
Speaker 1: your mind you just made eight on a part four.
Speaker 1: Did it ever enter your mind to not hit driver?
Speaker 1: Or was the hand on the head cover immediately well, here's.
Speaker 2: An example of the thoughts we always hear. I checked
Speaker 2: out after that whole Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can I knew it. Here's my favorite, Stanning. We've
Speaker 1: heard this from players. Stand on a part four May
Speaker 1: and eight. I mean I knew Driver wasn't the play.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my favorite. When you, as the player
Speaker 1: say I knew Driver wasn't the play, or I knew
Speaker 1: it was the wrong play. When if in your head,
Speaker 1: when you're driving home and you're analyzing your rounds and
Speaker 1: you're looking at yourself in the mirror and you're going
Speaker 1: through the shots that you played, but you're going through
Speaker 1: the hiccups that you had, if in your head you
Speaker 1: were saying to yourself, I knew it was the wrong play.
Speaker 1: I knew what was the wrong shot, I knew it
Speaker 1: was the wrong club.
Speaker 2: Then why you can't need to do it?
Speaker 1: You can change that, yes, just through your thought process.
Speaker 2: And I know we're picking on Gordon, sergeant, but no.
Speaker 1: We're picking on Gordon start. We're not picking on.
Speaker 2: A perfect example. This is this is the perfect example.
Speaker 1: This is not attacking him personally as a player. This
Speaker 1: is us looking at his choice on a par four
Speaker 1: as professionally and saying, Okay, he's one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the world right now, and so I want
Speaker 1: to know why one of the best players in the world,
Speaker 1: who's one of the longest drivers in the world is
Speaker 1: making an eight on a par four. I just want
Speaker 1: to hear what.
Speaker 2: The thought process is exactly. I see that from a.
Speaker 1: Professional standpoint, talk me through what you're thinking here.
Speaker 2: Now that I got his card up, he started on
Speaker 2: two today, he was plus one after after nine he
Speaker 2: actually bogeats number five a par five.
Speaker 1: So Boge's par five, yeap.
Speaker 2: But so he basically started on two, so his finishing
Speaker 2: calls were eighteen and one.
Speaker 1: One's a tough hole.
Speaker 2: It's a tough hole. He goes quad double, he goes
Speaker 2: six over his last two.
Speaker 1: So his last two holes he six over in his
Speaker 1: last two holes. And again from a professional standpoint, everyone,
Speaker 1: this kid will be playing on the PGA Tour in
Speaker 1: the next two years. He will, in my opinion, have
Speaker 1: legit opportunities in the first six months of his professional
Speaker 1: career to win on the PGA Tour. The kid is
Speaker 1: an absolute stud. But my point behind picking.
Speaker 2: On literally just throwing shots.
Speaker 1: Throwing shots away, and this is not a college player
Speaker 1: that everyone listening will never have an opportunity to see play.
Speaker 2: This is an NBA champions.
Speaker 1: You will see him playing in majors. You will see
Speaker 1: him playing in the NC Double A Championships. I mean,
Speaker 1: the kid is a stud. But good pl players with
Speaker 1: all the talent in the world, with all the clubhead
Speaker 1: speed and ball speed in the world, to go quad double,
Speaker 1: they still do it. That is still decision making. That Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again, I've talked about this a zillion times. Gordon
Speaker 1: Sergeant's golf swing, He's trying to make it better. I
Speaker 1: think Gordon's working with Mark Blackburn, who's easily right now,
Speaker 1: the hottest golf instructor on the planet Earth, working with
Speaker 1: the best players on the planet Earth. Right, So he's
Speaker 1: trying to do the right things and make the improvements
Speaker 1: with one of the best coaches instructors in the world. Right.
Speaker 1: He couldn't have any more things going for him than
Speaker 1: he does. And he's a Ferrari on top of that. Right,
Speaker 1: If this is Formula one, he is driving a Ferrari.
Speaker 1: He is driving a red bull. I say he is
Speaker 1: not one of the back of the packs. His car
Speaker 1: is so fast. He's one of the fastest cars in
Speaker 1: the world. But there is still an element of the
Speaker 1: decision making proct and it's not picking on him. He
Speaker 1: could be any.
Speaker 2: Golfers representing a lot of the golf.
Speaker 1: He's representing a large group of golfers. But the reason
Speaker 1: why I wanted us to talk about him today is
Speaker 1: he is a college amateur golfer that you will see
Speaker 1: play on TV. They will be talking about how far
Speaker 1: he drives the golf ball. They will be talking about
Speaker 1: his clubhead speed and ball speed. That being more than Rory,
Speaker 1: more than DJ more than John Rahm. Right, but he's
Speaker 1: still learning. He's still learning how to play. He has
Speaker 1: all the talent in the world. He has all the firepower,
Speaker 1: but he's still like everybody makes big numbers and if
Speaker 1: you can clean that shit up, it makes a huge difference.
Speaker 2: I mean, talk about Luke Clanton. He Bog's eighteen. I
Speaker 2: saw his T shirt there, Bogie, you didn't need to
Speaker 2: make horror birdie to win. He won by five.
Speaker 1: And listen on a difficult hole when you are going
Speaker 1: to that hole with probably a three to five shot lead.
Speaker 1: That's a great example to where in his head he's saying, okay,
Speaker 1: par now is I make is five? Five is making
Speaker 1: par on this hole under these conditions, On a difficult
Speaker 1: hole like this, the field is thinking, okay, bogie is.
Speaker 2: Par yep, exactly right, exactly even for these guys.
Speaker 1: For all of you on your home course, look at
Speaker 1: the course strategy, look at the hard stretches, look at
Speaker 1: the easy stretches, Look at where that those kind of
Speaker 1: easy bird these easy pars are going to be. And
Speaker 1: then through those tough holes, maybe you go to the
Speaker 1: mindset of saying, okay, this is always one of, if
Speaker 1: not the hardest hole on this golf course. Maybe my
Speaker 1: POW is not what it says on the scorecard. Maybe
Speaker 1: my par on a tough par four is okay. If
Speaker 1: I can make bogie, here's a that's a win for
Speaker 1: me on a difficult par four. Listen, I get out
Speaker 1: of here with five.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing, you're laughing, You're and we talk about it
Speaker 2: in around the fence. A lot of football analogies. You know,
Speaker 2: the Patriots are great with Tom Brady back in the day.
Speaker 2: They took what the defense gave him in the four
Speaker 2: minute drill of the two minute drill, and a lot
Speaker 2: of golfers don't take take what the course is giving
Speaker 2: has given you. You were trying to hit the home run,
Speaker 2: you're trying to throw the eighty yard out.
Speaker 1: You're trying to do something spectacular where kind of boring, boring,
Speaker 1: boring golf gets it done a lot of times and
Speaker 1: just a lot of pars. Make the odd more, make
Speaker 1: one more bogie around Brooks. And again I've said this
Speaker 1: a million times. Brooks has always said that he is
Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice a birdie by giving up making a bogie.
Speaker 1: So the choice between birdie versus bogie, He's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'll give up a birdie if I cannot make a bogie.
Speaker 2: Yep, he'll name that way. You'll name that way, especially
Speaker 2: at the majors. Then this is so penal.
Speaker 1: So every time, I'd say, for the majority of the people,
Speaker 1: for ninety nine percent of the people listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: their weekly round of golf is their major relative to
Speaker 1: their skill level, the golf course is tough for them.
Speaker 1: Their home golf. I can't imagine the majority of the
Speaker 1: people listen to this podcast are gonna tell me their
Speaker 1: their home the course is easy, right, Oh yeah, my
Speaker 1: home course is a really easy golf course. I would
Speaker 1: say for the majority of people playing golf, whatever course
Speaker 1: they're playing is basically like a major. The rough is
Speaker 1: tough for them. Driving it is tough for them. The
Speaker 1: green complexes are tough for them. The misses short game
Speaker 1: are tough for them. There are a lot of penalty
Speaker 1: shots relative to their talent level. So my point being
Speaker 1: getting the ball in play, thinking about it logically, and
Speaker 1: not always take your version of what the course is
Speaker 1: giving you. Don't let the architect dictate to you what
Speaker 1: you have to do on the golf course. Correct You
Speaker 1: dictate to the golf course what you're going to do
Speaker 1: based off your skill.
Speaker 2: Level, except what you have for the day. If I'm
Speaker 2: not in my driver, I'm going to go to my
Speaker 2: through wood, all right, bring or accept and bring that
Speaker 2: to the course and see what happens. Some of your
Speaker 2: best rounds are almost forgettable because you had no drama, right,
Speaker 2: Some of the rounds with your friends that seem like
Speaker 2: they did nothing out there and they came home at
Speaker 2: three under because there is no drama. Its boring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the opposite happens on tour. You will you
Speaker 1: will talk to tour players that will play with young
Speaker 1: players and they were like, Oh, I didn't even add
Speaker 1: up when he shot today because he was all over
Speaker 1: the place, right, And I looked and I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: that he shot under par. Or someone will shoot sixty
Speaker 1: six and the guy keeping his card will go. Man,
Speaker 1: I thought the guy was going to shoot sixty today, right.
Speaker 1: But the golf course is there for you to play
Speaker 1: it the way you see fit, in the way it
Speaker 1: works around your game.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, don't let the course dictate your reactions, your
Speaker 2: emotions except what you have. Make the outlet pass, lay
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: The easy play you've been easy? Yeah, crazy. I mean
Speaker 1: it's always like I said at the beginning, it's always
Speaker 1: a fun time of the year. And I think the
Speaker 1: great thing for us over the last decade is we
Speaker 1: have seen a lot of these young players or he
Speaker 1: come in in their infancy. I mean Victor Hovlin. I
Speaker 1: mean we've talked to him about that. I mean the
Speaker 1: fact that he is a member at this club now
Speaker 1: and we watched him plays as a college.
Speaker 2: We probably played three times, yes.
Speaker 1: So we probably saw him sophomore, junior, senior year. And
Speaker 1: to see where his game is gone. And we have
Speaker 1: seen a lot of players that are playing here in
Speaker 1: this over the last ten years go on and play
Speaker 1: all over the world.
Speaker 2: Clann has punched his ticket to the Ballast Bar next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you'll be able to watch him, you know,
Speaker 1: play a PGA Tour event. But I know you love
Speaker 1: this week and it really is kind of a microcosm
Speaker 1: of what kind of golf, but competitive golf is. All
Speaker 1: of these players have tremendous firepower. R see, they all
Speaker 1: have tremendous skill. That's why they're playing Division one college
Speaker 1: golf for some very very big, big programs, for some
Speaker 1: big teams with some big coaches. A lot of the
Speaker 1: players playing here this week are playing for coaches that
Speaker 1: have coach players that have won national championships, that have
Speaker 1: won NCUBLEA, individuals that have won US ams, that have
Speaker 1: won British Ams. But they still make mistakes and they
Speaker 1: still are learning their craft.
Speaker 2: Yep. So mistakes that they make maybe maybe magnify today
Speaker 2: just because we have these expectations that they're so good,
Speaker 2: but they're simply making the same mistakes that everybody else makes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So they are actually human and it was good for
Speaker 2: our juniors to kind of see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the things that I think it
Speaker 1: is important. I was listening to the High Performance podcast.
Speaker 1: Gordon Ramsey was on it, the famous Scottish chef, and
Speaker 1: he said something, and I've talked about this, but this
Speaker 1: deep dive that we kind of took in about you know,
Speaker 1: Gordon sergent, it's not a personal attack on them. It's
Speaker 1: a professional question, right, It's a professional question to look
Speaker 1: at a player like that. So when your coaches or
Speaker 1: when someone says something to them, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: always have to take it personally. You can take it professionally.
Speaker 1: You can take it situational to where someone's saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I just want to know the thought process behind the
Speaker 1: eight that you made on a par four that you
Speaker 1: could easily make bogie on. And I think it is
Speaker 1: interesting for us as coaches watching all of these, you know,
Speaker 1: enormously talented young players come through here every year. It's
Speaker 1: so much fun for us to watch the way they
Speaker 1: play our home course and to see the scores that
Speaker 1: they shoot around the course that we play all the time.
Speaker 2: Yep, I wish you played it all the time. We
Speaker 2: haven't played it more than once in the past three years.
Speaker 1: Out the Glamorous life of the Golf Business RC, thanks
Speaker 1: for doing that. I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 1: was an important one to talk to. You know, it's
Speaker 1: easy to look at all the things that players are
Speaker 1: doing well, but I do think sometimes you can take
Speaker 1: a look at some of the things that players do
Speaker 1: poorly and say, okay, yeah, that's where I can reflect
Speaker 1: my game. You're not going to go out if you're
Speaker 1: a fifteen to twenty five handicap, You're not going to
Speaker 1: shoot sixty six. So watching the PGA Tour is very,
Speaker 1: very skewed because it's not really going to help you
Speaker 1: learn anything. I think if everybody that was a fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty five handicapper could have come and watched this
Speaker 1: college tournament today, you would see players that are infinitely
Speaker 1: more talented than you making kind of some of the
Speaker 1: same mistakes you're making mentally or course management wise as
Speaker 1: you're making. If you're a fifteen to twenty five handicap.
Speaker 2: Yep, you know, we say, you know player with gratitude.
Speaker 2: You get eighteen holes of gratitude out there right, talk
Speaker 2: about protecting your ball, talk about playing responsibly just to
Speaker 2: minimize all the drama of the mistakes, and.
Speaker 1: A great game that we play last one. That'll throw
Speaker 1: out everybody. A great game that we play with everyone here.
Speaker 1: We get all our juniors and our members that are
Speaker 1: on team flow, we get them together in one of
Speaker 1: the days is who can play the most amount of
Speaker 1: holes with one ball. If you hit one out of bounds,
Speaker 1: or you hit one in the water, or you lose
Speaker 1: one walking home, you're done. You get to watch. So
Speaker 1: next time you go out and play, go play nine
Speaker 1: holes late and just say, Okay, I'm going to defend
Speaker 1: my ball today, whatever I have to do. I am
Speaker 1: going to try and play nine holes with the ball
Speaker 1: that I started with on the first tack. So if
Speaker 1: you hit it into trouble, you've got to protect your ball.
Speaker 1: Protecting your ball is the most important thing. So if
Speaker 1: there's water, there's out of bounds, if there's places you
Speaker 1: could lose your ball, you have to make the decision
Speaker 1: to protect your ball so that you don't lose it.
Speaker 1: Don't lose your ball. Protect your ball.
Speaker 2: That's it, man, that's it. Play responsibly, Play responsibly.
Speaker 1: All right, Arci, thanks for talking to us Sonova, Butch
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