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Speaker 7: To watch it? I mean that's what we used to do.

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Speaker 5: our credit on Boy Meets World.

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Speaker 3: So and so, how did it happen? How did it

447
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 3: work for you guys? If you were given an idea

448
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: for a script. Did you then, as a as a

449
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: group as a writer's room, sit there and and work

450
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: through the whole thing, or did you go home and

451
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: work on it kind of privately and then pitch a

452
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 3: script to the group for them to become the group effort.

453
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Speaker 7: Well, it was kind of a combination of those things.

454
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 5: I mean one of the things that we we learned

455
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 5: early on was, you know, they'd say when we started,

456
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 5: you know, the very didn't have episodes you know, assigned

457
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 5: yet at all. It's like, well, everybody is going to

458
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: come in tomorrow with a couple ideas, your ideas for episodes.

459
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 5: And so what you realize right away is that depending

460
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 5: on where you are on the you know, going around

461
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 5: the table of like how about you, what have you

462
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 5: got kind of thing? You were going to come after

463
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: people who were going to pitch stuff that you were like,

464
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 5: I had.

465
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Speaker 7: That you do a whole sort of I had that.

466
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 7: I had that.

467
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Speaker 5: I don't think I didn't have any ideas because gets

468
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 5: what you do is like you sit there and go

469
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 5: like you know some and then you try to maybe

470
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 5: you know, sort of piggyback onto it. I had that,

471
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 5: but a little different, you know, to try to make

472
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 5: sure that you.

473
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Speaker 7: Got your your take in there.

474
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: But I but I also remember you know, thinking like okay, well,

475
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 5: you know, what what kind of ideas has the show

476
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 5: done and and what might they do?

477
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 7: And you know, it's it's like this is a.

478
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Speaker 5: Straightforward family you know show and stuff like that, and

479
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 5: you know, thinking that you kind of like like I

480
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 5: could do that, I could do that my sleep. I

481
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 5: could pitch ideas for these characters and having the other

482
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 5: writers come and pitch things that you're like, oh man, oh.

483
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 7: Wow, that's wild.

484
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 5: That's amazing, Like realizing that the the you know, you

485
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 5: don't you're not shooting for the middle. You're shooting for

486
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 5: something really amazing. And and sometimes it gets through and

487
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 5: sometimes it doesn't get through, and sometimes it changes, you know,

488
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 5: as it goes. But that it was a lot more

489
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 5: there was there's a lot more openness to these you know,

490
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 5: let's see what these characters can do and you know,

491
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 5: and not not hold back, not be like you know,

492
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 5: they would.

493
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 7: Never do that, you know that's what they'll do.

494
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 6: Speaking of huge moments, Yeah, is that why did you

495
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 6: come in specifically thinking I would like to scar an

496
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 6: entire generation of younger people who love Corey and love

497
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 6: Corey in Topanga by making Corey cheat on Topango because

498
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 6: let's break these people up.

499
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: Is that was that a thought coming in you just?

500
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, you think my whole reason coming.

501
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 6: To was that before the season started, was there an

502
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 6: idea of, all right, we're going to get something where

503
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 6: they break up for a little while there, you know,

504
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 6: Corey's going to cheat on Topango or is this something

505
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: that kind of organically came for just one episode?

506
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: Whre You're like, I got an idea.

507
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I don't actually remember the origins of

508
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 5: the idea for for heartbreak Corey.

509
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 7: And then you know, I think.

510
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 5: At some point the idea of going on a class trip,

511
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 5: you know, the ski trip kind of thing, I think,

512
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 5: you know, challenging the relationship sounded like, you know, it

513
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 5: could be could be interesting. The thing I remember most

514
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 5: about that episode was, you know, we weren't all involved

515
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 5: in casting all the time, but the role of Lauren

516
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 5: the other woman, yea was we wound up being in

517
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 5: the casting sessions, and that episode I think almost didn't

518
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 5: happen because, you know, the the idea of casting somebody

519
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 5: who was an actual threat to the relationship was much

520
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 5: more difficult.

521
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 7: Than one would assume.

522
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 5: So you know, we were we were reading all you know,

523
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 5: these young women coming in and you know, there you

524
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: could you could just tell that, like to Panga could

525
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 5: eat her for lunch. Like it just wasn't it wasn't

526
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: any competition. And I think part of that was because

527
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: nobody believed that Corey was going to be tempted by

528
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: just a pretty girl. Like he got a pretty girl,

529
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 5: what is he going to be? You know, what are

530
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 5: we going to believe is a possibility? And so we

531
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 5: were just it was just pretty much almost not happening.

532
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 5: And then when Linda Cardelini came in, it was like

533
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: somebody had arrived from another planet and we were instantly.

534
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 7: Like, Panga, better watch her ask.

535
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 5: You know, And that was without even seeing her with them.

536
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: But it was really, you know, a testament, I would say,

537
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 5: a testament to what you guys did and what you

538
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 5: would bring to it. Such young people, and you make

539
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 5: it look easy, you know, to get up there and perform,

540
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 5: but it's not. It's not something that even you know,

541
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: reasonably talented young people can necessarily do. Everybody can't can't

542
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: inhabit you know, this the world and the characters and

543
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 5: in a really compelling way, you know. And and I'd

544
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 5: say the other The other thing that made you know

545
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: my sort of actor appreciation list was we started and

546
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 5: I've done this on every show that I've done since,

547
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 5: if I've if I've had my way, we did writer

548
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 5: table reads where we would all take your parts and

549
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: read your parts, you know, for the writer's room as

550
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 5: part of the rewrite, in part because we wanted to

551
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 5: make sure that Michael had read the script.

552
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 7: When it's like I don't think I think he skimmed.

553
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 7: I think he skimmed. Like you know what, we'll perform

554
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 7: for it.

555
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: We'll perform the script and we would work hard, you know,

556
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 5: like we would go around. People would mark their scripts

557
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: and they go around to the writer and say, did

558
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 5: you did you want me to put a little like

559
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 5: something on this, and we'd like, you know, really try

560
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 5: to try to bring it. You have good performances, yeah,

561
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 5: because you're because you're trying to help each other out,

562
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 5: trainers to be like, I don't want your script to

563
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 5: go down because we you know, it didn't sell.

564
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 7: It didn't sell it.

565
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: So when we're really trying to trying to do it,

566
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 5: and yeah, and we would come.

567
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 7: We would always come out of those tables. Read those

568
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 7: kids are geniuses. I can barely speak. You know, nobody can.

569
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 5: Nobody can pick up their your kids and stuff.

570
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 7: It's like, it's amazing.

571
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: Well, I do want you to know that Heartbreak Cory

572
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: is on our short list for potential best episode of

573
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 3: the series. Thus far we we are, you know, a

574
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: few episodes into season six. We've watched everything up to

575
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: this point, and we've got a short list of like

576
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: perfect episodes, and Heartbreak Corey is one of them. We

577
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: also ended up loving Corey and Lauren as a couple

578
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: and the fact that she wasn't this outright villain that

579
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: she was. She was just cool and fun and they

580
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 3: had a good thing going. So, I mean, was that

581
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 3: something when you guys were casting, Is that something that

582
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: you were also really looking for, Like threading that line

583
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: between someone who very much was into Corey but not

584
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: wanting to be outright like, I know you've got a girl,

585
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: but give it to me. You know, what were you

586
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: looking for in those in those scenes?

587
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 7: No, I mean I think she surpassed what we were

588
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 7: looking for. We were looking for a believable flirtation. Yeah,

589
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 7: that could.

590
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 5: Actually be like, you know, yeah, I believe he even

591
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 5: to just lie to Taipanga.

592
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 7: I don't even know that we thought that it was

593
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 7: going to go past one episode.

594
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 5: You know that it was that she was going to

595
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: go past one episode or it was just basically like, oh,

596
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 5: did he get caught up in something? I think had

597
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 5: we not found Linda Cardellini for that role, the role

598
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: would have become something where Corey didn't realize what he

599
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 5: got into. And then and then his mistake was covering

600
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 5: up that another girl liked me, And that would have

601
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 5: been because because the audience wouldn't have believed that he

602
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: liked her as anything other than like my ankle was

603
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: twisted and what else. I thought we were just doing

604
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: puzzles together or whatever. So so yeah, she she made

605
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 5: it believable and yeah, and watching the episode too, you

606
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 5: can see like how difficult it is to thread the

607
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 5: needle of the things that she's saying to him without

608
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 5: it being like you're crazy.

609
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, yes, exactly.

610
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 6: It was so good though, And when we had Laura on,

611
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 6: she claimed that she really wanted in the episode because

612
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 6: she's a huge fan, but that you hated me and

613
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 6: that's why you removed Eric from this script entirely, and

614
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 6: I was wondering if you could just address that a

615
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 6: little bit.

616
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 7: You know, that's so funny.

617
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: I can't address that because I have no memory.

618
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 7: And when you said that, it was like, Eric's not

619
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 7: in the.

620
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: Exactly, No he's not. And it worked perfectly.

621
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 6: It was such a good episode, and the two of

622
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 6: them together, we you know it's written well, cast well,

623
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 6: acted well. When you're watching this couple for years together

624
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: and this new person comes on as a guest star

625
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 6: and you're like.

626
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: I actually think they'd be a great couple other world.

627
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 6: But yes, yeah, yeah, it seemed like there were a

628
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 6: lot of less red flags with those two than there

629
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 6: were with with Corey and Topango.

630
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: Frank, do you do you remember anyone else who auditioned?

631
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we must have seen every twenty something

632
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: girl in town. It went on and on on. The

633
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: auditions went on forever.

634
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: What's a big role?

635
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 6: I mean, you got to carry I mean that's just

636
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 6: like you're saying, you gotta be a viable other option

637
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 6: for Corey. I mean that's incredibly difficult to do in

638
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 6: one episode, right.

639
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 5: And yeah, and just just in meeting the character, you're

640
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 5: supposed to believe that she likes she likes him, but

641
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 5: she's not crazy.

642
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 7: He likes her and he's not great.

643
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, doesn't demean or diminish him for being

644
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 5: into her.

645
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 7: And you know, and so was.

646
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 3: There ever conversation about whether or not Corey and Lauren

647
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: could be together?

648
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 5: Well, I think after we after we cast it, and

649
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: after we shot it, I think there was.

650
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 7: That's where I think it developed into. I think it

651
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 7: wound up being.

652
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 5: Like a little three dark at least because it also

653
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 5: spurred the breakup and then Topanga's kiss with Guy and then.

654
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: Will's favorite character Ricky.

655
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: But you know, I think that I think as I

656
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 5: recall that episode when Daniel, when you, as did Tipanga,

657
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: had your realization that you wanted to be with Corey,

658
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 5: I remember the live audience just going berserklled they were

659
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: so thrilled and they and they were and I think

660
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 5: they were also they were surprised, like I think they

661
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 5: had kind of resigned themselves but being over and then

662
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: they were so excited that you know that that Tipanga

663
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 5: kind of came to this. This just affirms that I

664
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 5: you know that I love you.

665
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: It was a good pump bank, it was a good pump.

666
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 6: Now, one of the things that we I think we

667
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 6: need to start asking every writer has come on that.

668
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 6: I'm not sure we've asked yet, So I'm going to

669
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 6: ask first, was there ever a conversation in the room

670
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 6: at any level about the power of kissing?

671
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 7: That's the power of kissing.

672
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 6: We keep talking about how on the show there seems

673
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 6: to be this thing where the kiss, if the kiss

674
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 6: is done the right way, then any problem is solved

675
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 6: or someone or you.

676
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 4: Will never happen.

677
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 6: Once.

678
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: And I know for sure.

679
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 6: Corey, Yeah, was there a conversation about the power of kissing?

680
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

681
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 7: I don't think so.

682
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I think part of it was that the

683
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 5: you know, the kiss on boy Mean's world stood in

684
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 5: for a lot of other possible, you know, relationship things,

685
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 5: and so it really did get imbued with it's the

686
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 5: it's the sort of manifestation of all physical and emotional connection.

687
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 7: You know.

688
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: That's a really good point.

689
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's a really good point that I can't believe

690
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: we haven't quite hit.

691
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: It has to represent all of exactly.

692
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: It's the stand in for yeah, any it's that intimate

693
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: physical relationship can only be represented in a kid.

694
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: It's a really good point.

695
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, all right, but we also just watched your

696
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: first script of season six, which is better than the

697
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: average Corey, and we want to know something right away,

698
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: have to have to get it out there. Who is

699
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: responsible for the salary.

700
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 5: Joke standards and practices I believe, or clearances. It was

701
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 5: so the joke was supposed to be that we were

702
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: going to see Corey is sort of in his room,

703
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: and that it was a very average boys room.

704
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 7: And we talked about there being like a.

705
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 5: Car poster or something that and that it wasn't the

706
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 5: flashiest car.

707
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 3: It was a Taurus. Yeah.

708
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 5: Well, we could not clear any cars because what we

709
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 5: were saying about the car.

710
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 7: Was that it was not.

711
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 6: So if you have a poster of a beij Volvo

712
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 6: on your on your own wall.

713
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: Even even beige Volvo doesn't want to be no. Yeah,

714
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 5: that and that being the process of in order to

715
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 5: get things cleared, you had to put them in the

716
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 5: context of what why are we seeing this screen? And

717
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 5: nobody wanted and then and it was sort of like

718
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 5: no product, nothing, nobody wanted their image associated with.

719
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: No one represents Celery, right, there's.

720
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 7: No big salary.

721
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 5: But that's the hilarious thing about that was that.

722
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 7: We we actually did it.

723
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 5: It was like, just move on and do a different joke,

724
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: but like, yeah, we just did it.

725
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 7: Let's just make he's got a giant. I mean, he

726
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 7: has a giant.

727
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to know because it's one of my

728
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: favorite jokes of the show too. And I love that

729
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: you guys kind of landed on it in a really

730
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: organic way.

731
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: That's why it's as so funny that they were probably

732
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: so frustrated. They were like, we have this great idea

733
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: for a joke and we can't do it. Just put

734
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: Celery up there like it's it's famous. There are people

735
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: who have Celery tattoos. I don't know if you know this,

736
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: but Will writer and I have traveled the country, we

737
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: signed salary posters, We've met people with Celery tattoos. Is

738
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: it is it?

739
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 7: You were going to say you guys all had one?

740
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 5: We do?

741
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: I know, honestly, it's not a bad idea for a

742
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 3: group tattoo. Just I wonder if you all do it.

743
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: About this, you won't do it?

744
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 6: I would get I will go right now to go

745
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 6: get a group tattoo.

746
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: You guys won't do I would.

747
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: Go get salary right now. If that's like, if you

748
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: guys were like, send me the image, I'll be home with.

749
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: The thank you, I will do it too.

750
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 3: I'll consider it. I'll consider it. I'll consider it.

751
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: Let's talk about it.

752
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it off there, let's talk about it there.

753
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I wonder when their vegetables were pitched right, like potato, potato.

754
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: Is not as funny, like how do you go through that?

755
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: Onion says too much?

756
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: It's gonna be It really might have been at that

757
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 5: point there was such a level of frustration there that

758
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 5: it was just like there, I don't know that we

759
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 5: expected that to even make it to air, which is

760
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 5: you know, another fun thing about about making the show

761
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: and and something that impressed me like early that that

762
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 5: age in my career was that there was nothing that

763
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 5: we said, you know, whatever brain fart you had at

764
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 5: you know, nine o'clock at night on a rewrite showed

765
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 5: up on set the next day. No one ever said

766
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 5: are you serious? Right, They just did it, you know,

767
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 5: and it was so magical to imagine something and have

768
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 5: it appear, you know, on stage, and so you know,

769
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that when we you know, in frustration,

770
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 5: landed on Celery that we thought, ultimately this is going

771
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 5: to make it to air.

772
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 6: Or it's Do you have any chance to remember any

773
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 6: joke that you're just gonna ask to say a thing?

774
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 6: Do you remember a joke that you really fought for

775
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 6: that didn't make it on the show that you got

776
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 6: were like, oh god, I really want this to be

777
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 6: in there.

778
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: Or a storyline or a storyline.

779
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh gosh, well, I mean tons, there's tons of things.

780
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 5: I don't know if I if I remember things that

781
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: were were pitched. Oh, I do remember.

782
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 7: I was like, really, I.

783
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: Won't remember the details. I remember really passionately pitching a

784
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 5: concept for an episode, and and you could tell that

785
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 5: it was like it might I might get like I

786
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: almost sold it.

787
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 7: I remember almost getting there and then not getting the bread.

788
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 7: I can't.

789
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: I can't remember that.

790
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: It's never it's never as good as you know, But

791
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 5: whatever it was, it was something. It was something that

792
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 5: I I just know that.

793
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 7: I went I went all in.

794
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 5: I went in like you know, yeah, I'm gonna like,

795
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 5: I cheer up, I'm gonna go this is the most

796
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: important thing we'll ever do in television, you know, almost

797
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 5: made it.

798
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: But do you remember how the idea came together to

799
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: incorporate the art prodigy Alexandra Nikita into the show. She

800
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: was a pretty good actress for a young art How

801
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: did that come about?

802
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 5: I think that that I think as I recall, I

803
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 5: believe she might have been on like sixty minutes or something.

804
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: She I think she was getting a little press at

805
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 5: a time, and Michael was interested in buying art at

806
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 5: the time, so I think he just came across her

807
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 5: and just liked the idea that she was about the

808
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: same age.

809
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 7: As the characters.

810
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, we didn't do a ton

811
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 5: of sort of stunt casting or you know, anything like that,

812
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: So that was that was pretty.

813
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 7: Unusual for the show to.

814
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 5: Bring me in, particularly somebody just playing their real life self.

815
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 5: Trying to remember if we did that in any other show.

816
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: Now, there was more, there was more stunt casting. Earlier

817
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: in the show. We had, like the earlier seasons, we had.

818
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 6: Some like the you know, the Happy Days Gang and

819
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 6: all that kind of We did that more back in

820
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 6: the day than we did I think later in the episodes.

821
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so the.

822
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: Gang is now out of high school, we're all off

823
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: in college. Do you remember was the room excited about

824
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: aging us up a bit?

825
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess there would be some excitement and

826
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: some trepidation about how that was going to work, because

827
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: there's such a.

828
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 7: There's there's such a specific dynamic for.

829
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 5: The sort of school age up through high school and

830
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 5: high school in particular. I think high school. The difference

831
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 5: between high school and college to me, as far as like,

832
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 5: you know, being on the screen especially, is that in

833
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 5: high school, every little thing is extremely important. In college,

834
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 5: even big important things are not important.

835
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 7: You blow off. You know, it's like a.

836
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 5: Real reversal in your life where you're not hanging on

837
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: every moment and interaction in the way that we're all

838
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: familiar with in high school. And so high school really

839
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 5: lends itself to particularly, you know, in sort of that

840
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 5: half hour setting where you could telegraph really quickly that

841
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: something important was happening in the characters' lives because like because.

842
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 7: It's high school.

843
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 5: And then you know, so then when they went beyond

844
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 5: high school, you're like, oh, are we going to lose

845
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 5: that sort of universal feeling of what they're going through

846
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: and why it matters to them and why they're you know,

847
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 5: still such a tight group and things like that.

848
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 6: There was such a change in the Eric character, not

849
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 6: just comedically, but I'm also curious because we kind of

850
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 6: know that we've heard from some of the other writers

851
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 6: where comedically went that way. But one of the things

852
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 6: we noticed is that it doesn't seem like Eric ever

853
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 6: has a love interest again. And I'm curious if there

854
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 6: was ever a talk of giving him a date again,

855
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 6: having giving him you know, letting him have a girlfriend

856
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 6: of his own, a boyfriend of his own, whatever, just

857
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 6: so sort of a love.

858
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: Interest it seemed to just kind of disappear. Can you

859
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: remember if there was a reason.

860
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 5: For that or.

861
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 7: I don't.

862
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't remember a specific decision to do that. Really,

863
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think it was sort of

864
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 5: like in retrospect, Eric was becoming he fell into the

865
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: category of somebody who maybe was cool in high school

866
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 5: and then pequed.

867
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 7: And that again wasn't a choice. It wasn't like, let's have.

868
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 5: Eric be the guy who peaked in high school. But

869
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 5: I think that is interesting kind of you know, where

870
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: where things went, And I don't know, I don't know

871
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 5: if that's also because again, the qualities that you can

872
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 5: ascribe to somebody as being like a fun, cool guy

873
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 5: in high school, do not you know, necessarily translate into

874
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 5: a college and beyond environment. And I think maybe if

875
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: we had, if we had done something deliberate, we might

876
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 5: have decided that we were going to take Eric and

877
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 5: have him and maybe this would be like something you

878
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 5: do today. It wouldn't have done it then, but make

879
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 5: him fall more into success, you know, make him be

880
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 5: the person who you know, gosh, Feeney was always telling

881
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 5: him to sort of like get serious and things like that.

882
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 7: And then wouldn't it be fun if Eric was just.

883
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 5: The person who after high school is just like he's

884
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 5: a billionaire by the twenty and everyone's going like yeah,

885
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 5: like then, And it's like because because then it would

886
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 5: be in contrast to what the what the show and

887
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 5: the adults of the show had told us, which is

888
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 5: that Eric needs to get serious and like, apparently.

889
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: Not that's interesting.

890
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that.

891
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: Cool.

892
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: So you would go on to write two more episodes

893
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: in season six and too in season step seven, and

894
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: you were with us right until the very end of

895
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: the series. What do you remember, if anything about that

896
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 3: series finale week?

897
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, crying everybody's crying all the time, so

898
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 5: much crying, A lot of crying. Yeah, I mean it

899
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: was I think it was pretty emotional. We've spent a

900
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 5: lot of years, you know, up until that point. I

901
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 5: don't think I ever worked in the same job for

902
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 5: three years, you know. I mean I'm like pretty young

903
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: and early in a career where it's like maybe you

904
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 5: worked someplace for a year and then you were looking

905
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 5: for the next thing you could do because you weren't

906
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 5: where you wanted to be. And so this was the

907
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 5: first opportunity to be doing what I wanted to be doing.

908
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 5: And it wound up, you know, continuing and and you know,

909
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: by by that year, I was like, man, I this

910
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 5: is the this is the tightest group of co workers

911
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: I've ever had in my life.

912
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 7: So that you know, that was that was really something.

913
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 5: And we we had that sort of relationship with the

914
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 5: crew and the cast and the and then the audience

915
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 5: that came, you know, our live audience, which is not

916
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 5: an experience most writers get, you know, to put their

917
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 5: stuff up in front of a live audience. And in

918
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 5: those fans who would come, you know, the people that

919
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 5: came every week, you know, yeah, repeatedly and stuff like that.

920
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 5: It was you know, you knew that this was not

921
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 5: something that you could count on ever happening.

922
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: Again, Well, since Boy Meets World ended, you have really

923
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: gone from job to job every year. You have never

924
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: been at a loss for work, either as a writer

925
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: or an executive producer. You've been on Private Practice, Life Unexpected,

926
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: nine oh two, one zero, The Good Doctor. That's just

927
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: to name a few. Would you say there's anything you

928
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: learned on Boy Meets World that you have been able

929
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: to take with you to all of those jobs?

930
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 7: Oh? Yeah, absolutely.

931
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 5: I mean I think that's one of the things, is

932
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: like formative experiences, the things that you do and it's

933
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 5: when you don't know how it's done, wind up being

934
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 5: things that you really carry with you. The writer's table

935
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 5: reads is one of those things, Like I said that

936
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 5: I've done that.

937
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 7: I think it's to me, it was like it.

938
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 5: Was such a good practice and so good for the

939
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: new writers coming in because a lot of times on shows,

940
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 5: there's a tendency to rewrite the original writer several times

941
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 5: before it even gets to the actor's table read, and

942
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 5: so what happens as a as a young writer is

943
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 5: that you never hear your words out loud. Really, you know,

944
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 5: they've always been changed in a way that sometimes it's

945
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 5: not recognizable to you by the time it's going to set.

946
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 7: Or even to the first table read.

947
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 5: And I think having an opportunity to hear even from

948
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 5: some really bad writer performers, but having the opportunity to

949
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 5: hear your script aloud is a real growth opportunity for writers.

950
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 5: Having to try to perform a script, Yeah, is a

951
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 5: growth opportunity for writers of like that wasn't easy to say, Yeah,

952
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 5: that was awkward.

953
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: How can I make this less awkward?

954
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 7: Yeah? Right right?

955
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 5: Knowing that it's like that, that matters, and so yeah,

956
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: so I've you know, I've I've tried to continue doing

957
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 5: that and you know, gotten a lot of benefit out

958
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 5: of that. I would say also Will as as far

959
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 5: as your your character and Eric, one of the things

960
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 5: I remember so much and that I have have kind

961
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 5: of carried into other shows is.

962
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 7: You were never not in the scene you were in.

963
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 5: You might have had no role in the scene that

964
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 5: you were in, and you were never not in the scene.

965
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: And I remember specifically one scene that was in It

966
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 5: was in the kitchen, and I think it was you know,

967
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: I know it was the other characters were talking, and

968
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 5: you had been there for whatever reason, and they came

969
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 5: in and they're having a pretty you know, a pretty

970
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: intense scene and you just happened to be in the

971
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 5: in the shot. But I don't think you were thinking

972
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 5: about being in the shot. But you were in the shot,

973
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 5: and you were in it, and you were like, you.

974
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: Know, oh you know what.

975
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: I bet it was.

976
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: I bet it was.

977
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 6: It was when to Panga and Corey decided to get married,

978
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 6: and Alan and Amy are having the conversation with Corey

979
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 6: and Topanga across the kitchen and I'm standing in that's

980
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 6: the Rachel is fine. I got this new room in

981
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 6: and she is a fine scene. I bet she's the

982
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 6: one you're talking about. I think I know exactly the

983
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 6: one you're talking about.

984
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I so I've used that as I've used

985
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 5: that as example for you know, for for actors, but

986
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 5: a lot of time to use it as an example

987
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 5: for for writers about who you know, which you've brought

988
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 5: these characters into this room.

989
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 7: Right.

990
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: You what you are doing?

991
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 5: And I will that would be like sometimes you get

992
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 5: lucky and the actor, yeah, you know, is in the

993
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 5: scene as the character no matter what you've given them,

994
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 5: but you can't count.

995
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: On I count on that.

996
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 7: I could count on that.

997
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 5: With the with you guys and that, you know. But

998
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 5: and I remember that as being something where that was

999
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 5: the first time as a writer I paid attention and

1000
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 5: realized that that I've left people here. I put people

1001
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 5: in this room and they're here, and and it was

1002
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 5: you know, rather than it being an oops, it should

1003
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 5: be an opportunity because that's how life is.

1004
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 7: People are in rooms where they're like, I wish I

1005
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 7: were that.

1006
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's great, Oh that's funny.

1007
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 3: What would you say the biggest difference between twenty twenty

1008
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 3: five writer's room and a nineteen ninety eight writer's.

1009
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 5: Room well being in an actual room, Okay, not being

1010
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 5: on zoom.

1011
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, I mean so yeah, Back then, I mean

1012
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 7: it was.

1013
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 5: It. I think there was more, you know, it probably

1014
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 5: is just, you know, kind of boring to say, but

1015
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 5: there's more more community and people were we were all

1016
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 5: around each other all the time, much more. I mean,

1017
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 5: I remember first season of Boyming's World and being on

1018
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 5: the Radford and being surrounded by other shows, also life

1019
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 5: taping all the time, and so you know, and and

1020
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 5: the little basketball hoop that the Seinfeld people shot hoops

1021
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 5: that you know, right to our building, and you know,

1022
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 5: just that just walking around the lot, you know, seeing

1023
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 5: other writers on other shows, seeing other cast on other shows,

1024
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: just being around that all the time, you had more

1025
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 5: of more of a sense of sort of us all

1026
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 5: being in the circus together kind of thing.

1027
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean we were in between Seinfeld and Third

1028
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 6: Rock from the Sun, so it was.

1029
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 5: There was bibil and there was like there was so

1030
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 5: many shows like big you know, big stars and big shows,

1031
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 5: and it was every every stage was full of that.

1032
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: Has it ever come up on any of the other

1033
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: shows that you've worked on that you once worked on

1034
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: Boy Meets World? What are the reactions when people find

1035
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: out you worked on Boy Meets World.

1036
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 5: This is the best thing, uh, And I'm sure you

1037
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 5: guys experienced this of you know, there were cooler places

1038
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 5: to be at this at the time. I went on

1039
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 5: a panel. I was asked to do a panel about

1040
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 5: medical storylines, you know, having to then move you know,

1041
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 5: moved on and started doing hour long dramas and medical

1042
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 5: dramas and things like that. So I, you know, done

1043
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 5: some medical storylines and I was asked.

1044
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 7: To speak and.

1045
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 5: I was like I had the least interesting or impressive

1046
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 5: thing to talk about in terms of the show that

1047
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 5: they'd say, Oh, you're going to come and talk about this,

1048
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 5: you know, breast cancer, gene testing storyline that you did

1049
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 5: the show. And then we're going to have somebody who

1050
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 5: created the Big C which was a huge show at

1051
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 5: the moment, and somebody who created some other like e

1052
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 5: er whatever. You have all these big shows, and it's

1053
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 5: like my little storyline. And so everybody spoke about their

1054
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 5: you know, their their show. And then they said, Okay,

1055
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 5: we're going to open it up for questions and I thought, well,

1056
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 5: I can get my things ready to leave. You know,

1057
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 5: nobody can ask a question. The very first question was like,

1058
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: I have a I have a question for.

1059
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 7: For Patty Carr. And I was like, oh, oh, you know,

1060
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 7: what is your question?

1061
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 5: And they said, I have a box set of Boy

1062
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 5: Meets World evds and I wanted to know if you

1063
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 5: would autograph that. Could you tell me about Corey into

1064
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 5: Pega's wedding? And I know that's not this medical thing,

1065
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 5: but could you just do I like, yes, I could

1066
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 5: exe tens you.

1067
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, nobody asked for their autograph.

1068
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.

1069
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Take that good doctor.

1070
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 7: That's right, that's right.

1071
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 5: And I mean so that's when you know, it's it's

1072
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 5: as the audience for Boy Meets World as they kind

1073
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 5: of grew up and started you know, being out in

1074
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 5: public without without their parents or whatever, as they kind

1075
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 5: of came into the world and into the industry, it's.

1076
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 7: Always now something that you say and people are like, oh, oh,

1077
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 7: oh my god, I can't believe you look for the show.

1078
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 7: It's amazing.

1079
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: Well, finally, did you ever think that people would still

1080
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: be wanting to hear us talk about Boy Meets World

1081
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 3: thirty years later when you were writing it?

1082
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 5: No, well back then, I don't think you could imagine

1083
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 5: you know, sort of any of the or any of

1084
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 5: that kind of you know, interest in old stuff.

1085
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 7: You know, you weren't thinking that there.

1086
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: Was going to be that kind of like longevity.

1087
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for for shows and things like that, or

1088
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 5: a forum for people to even have those conversations with

1089
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 5: with their fans and stuff. So yeah, just definitely didn't

1090
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 5: didn't think about that, and it it is, you know,

1091
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 5: it is amazing that, yeah, people people are still interested

1092
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 5: in hearing about this stuff.

1093
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 7: So hopefully I had something interesting to say about it.

1094
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 5: I know you had, like plenty of other writers telling

1095
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 5: telling the truth in a few lies.

1096
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 7: I didn't how I didn't like Eric's character and wrote about.

1097
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 6: I know you're lying, Patty, It's fine.

1098
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: He totally made that up. She did not say that.

1099
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 7: I did not have the power to make that happen.

1100
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 7: Even even no, we're.

1101
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: Also saying Laura did not say that she just made

1102
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: that up. La did not even come close to alluding

1103
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 3: to that, so did she.

1104
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 7: If she did.

1105
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 5: If Laura did do that, I would have to like

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Speaker 5: you her comedy props for coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, she did not. Patty, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for taking time out of your very busy schedule to

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Speaker 3: come and spend with us. Really nice to reconnect with you,

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Speaker 3: to hear your perspective on things. Congratulations on an incredible career.

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Speaker 3: You're still going at it. Where can we find you now?

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Speaker 3: What are you working on now?

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Speaker 5: I'm just working on staying sane, so because.

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Speaker 8: We all are Yeah, yeah, nothing, I'm helping nobody and

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Speaker 8: doing reaching no audience other than the people outside my

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Speaker 8: window when I screamed.

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Speaker 3: That's nice because it knows to you for that. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Patty for being with us always.

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Speaker 7: Nice to see you, good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you bye. Oh my gosh, that's so will you

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Speaker 3: totally threw Laura and she believed you. She was like

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Speaker 3: and then I was like, do you want to touch

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Speaker 3: on those? And then she was right back to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I still think Laura said that in my head.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're the worst. You're just the worst.

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Speaker 2: I know my truth.

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Speaker 3: I the knowing that backstory about Celery. Oh, it's so satisfying.

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Speaker 6: It is the best because because it's right or you're right,

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Speaker 6: that just the way that the joke is so organic,

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Speaker 6: because that was what was left. Essentially, it's like, what's

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Speaker 6: the most and it's why more original?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just been a volvo or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, fun, but the fact that it's like, wait,

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Speaker 1: is that a poster of Sealary and.

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Speaker 3: You have to like, you know, it's just it's good

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Speaker 3: to have happened on purpose. Yeah, it's like it's too good.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's unbelievable. So thank you all for joining

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Speaker 3: us for this episode of Podmeets World. As always, you

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Speaker 6: Podmeets World is nheart podcast producer and hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 6: Wilfordell and Ryder Strong executive producers, Jensen Karp and Amy

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Speaker 6: Sugarman Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 6: Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World

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Speaker 6: super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle

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