1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Ian. Where is DeShawn going next? Deshaun Watson is expected 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: to be a member of the Cleveland Browns. Yes, the 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Cleveland brown in an unbelievable, stunning turn of events, and 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: that is not all. When this trade is completed, Watson's 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: expected to get a five year, two hundred and thirty 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: million dollar contract that is fully guaranteed. That is eighty 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: million more than the previous record for fully guaranteed money 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: at signing. And now Deshaun Watson headed to the Cleveland 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: brown There are Browns fans who are seeing this is 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: a good day. There are Browns fans and I imagine 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: maybe this is the majority ultimately that see this is 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: a bitter sweet day. And then there are still others 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: that see this as a sad day. And at the 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: risk of being melodramatic, maybe the day the Browns sold 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: their soul for success. Dan Hands is here, Mark Sessler, 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, and yes it is melodramatic, But man, this 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: whole saga has been melodramatic, and not in a good way. 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes melodrama is not uh. Cleveland Browns have a new 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: face of the franchise. It's de Shaun Watson. The Browns 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: who were out until they said, but how about this, 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: And that was money. That was record breaking, guaranteed money. 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: Dan hans Is, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, Mark, I know 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: we've had some fun this week, even though you're saying 24 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: it's not fun about getting out on the Browns retiring 25 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: as a fan. Um, I don't know where you come 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: down right now, but I think it's safe to say 27 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: it's time to clear the runway and get your thoughts 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: on one of the biggest, if not the biggest transaction 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: in the history of the franchise, for better or worse. Yeah, 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I I think I've been pretty clear about 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: where I've been mentally with this this past week and 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: this whole um unexpected in Bizarre Journey, and I I like, 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: first of all, think that there's so many other um 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: centers of attention here and this is our show, and 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: I get why you'd want me to comment on where 36 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm at, but like I I'm done with the team 37 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: and like it's just where my heart's at. Like I feel, Um, 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: it's sad to me because I even before you know, 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: we we rushed we finished our TV show, and we 40 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: rushed out to do other things than football because it's 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: been a long week, and then this happened, you know, 42 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: thirty five minutes later, and um, in the time between 43 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: then and now, I've just been thinking back about, um, 44 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: kind of what the Browns meant to me that I 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't be sitting here, um talking to you guys. 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have pursued football as a career on any level. Um. 47 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: You know, I don't even really like other sports. It 48 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: was a football thing always, and it was a Cleveland 49 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: Browns thing, and it was, um one of the biggest 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: magnetic polls of my youth. Um. But but I've changed 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: a lot, and like going through the years, the Browns 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: have felt more and more. I mean you, I think 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: even when they were dysfunctional, but um, you could understand 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: it was on field dysfunction. Uh. They were a one 55 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: side of relationship that often felt like I was just 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, the butt of all jokes, um, you know, 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: with them playing the jokes on on Browns fans directly. 58 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: At this point, this is a different type of leverpool 59 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: and organizational decision. It's a huge decision. I think that 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if they understand inside their bubble, um, 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: what it means to different types of Browns fans and 62 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: people out there and how their organization will be perceived forever. 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: To your point, Dan, I think it's the biggest transaction 64 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: they've ever made. And I I feel like I just can't, Um, 65 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: there's sports already feel cynical enough to me. I can't 66 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: sit around and raw raw this. I'm I'm out. And 67 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, that's it, Like that's sort of 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: where I'm at right now, and like, uh, I need 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: a break. I need a break, and like, but but 70 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: this isn't this? This is also like why why am 71 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: I out? It's like because they've gone and put there 72 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: all the chips in on someone that I think where 73 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: we are in one and I don't care about. Um, 74 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gett I'm already getting killed by pockets 75 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: of Browns fans like what about Kareem Hunt? What about this? 76 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: Or that You're right? I like, I don't think personally, 77 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: like as a fan of the team, I ever thought 78 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: about taking certain stances. I don't know why. I I 79 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: can't explain the past, but this stands up to me 80 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: as something completely different. Um, I think everyone has to 81 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: make a choice. If you're a Browns fan on on 82 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: where you are on this and I don't really care 83 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: about anyone else's. I care where I'm at, and I 84 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: like at my age at forty eight, Like is it 85 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: more important to be loyal as a fan to a 86 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: team or to just think about where I where I 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: am today and I'm done, It's it's over right, like 88 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: where my My experience obviously so different than yours watching 89 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: this story, Mark, But I was with Keisha Um had 90 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: like a nice what an hour or so in between 91 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: picking you know, before picking up the kids, and she 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: was already out watching games, uh college basketball. She's into 93 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: the attorney and eating sandwich and got the news. Well, 94 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: I was with her, and it got me thinking about 95 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: kind of what you're talking to and about like we 96 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: were saying what West would say in that situation, and 97 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: it was something West and I talked about a lot, 98 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: was like we get we love sports, and we get 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: so into it and there's something like beautiful about it. 100 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: And I think personally, like this story has been especially 101 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: troubling just because it's just such a reminder that it's 102 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: it's not sports. Isn't just like some distraction from from life, 103 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: Like the same shittiness that's in life is in sports, 104 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: and this one was just so shameless about it and 105 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: so bald about it, um that it was just disheartening 106 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: And like, I I love doing this job. You guys 107 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: know that and stuff, But it's like we were all 108 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: sick of talking about Deshaun Watson. It's not it's not 109 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: about us. It's like we we've kind of set set 110 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: our piece, like like I'm I'm sick of the coverage though, 111 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: Like I'm sick of every network's coverage, you know, and 112 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: just sick of like hearing the reaction to it. Sick 113 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: of hearing like what Andrew Berry Savile did to like 114 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: bring bring Watson in with the guaranteed money, Like the 115 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: terms are kind of part of what's sickly, Like I'm 116 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: sick of like needing to make content out of it too, though, 117 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: like that cynical I'm sick of people like saying, oh, 118 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: you did a good job, like talking about it's like 119 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's just like it's it's not why 120 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: we are in on this job. It's not why we 121 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: love sports. And it's just frustrating because it makes you 122 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: think about the people that you work with and the 123 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: people that you work for and how disappointing they are. 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: And like again I was with Kesha and she had 125 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: a very West like sage wisdom in the moments, like 126 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: it's everything. It's not like you know, it's not like 127 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: something changed, It's not like, um, this this story is 128 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: is totally unique in some ways, but in many ways 129 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: it's not. It's just like, that's the world we live in. 130 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: And for some reason, being up close and kind of 131 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: knowing how the machinery all works behind the scenes of 132 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: how these things get covered and then how the teams 133 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 1: are making these decisions, and you said it like how 134 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: cynical they are and how how they aren't thinking about 135 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: anyone else on the outside. Uh, it's just it's just 136 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: for us. It's just frustrating. And what it came down to, 137 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: now that we have the full timeline in front of us, 138 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: was once the NFL, and by the NFL, I mean 139 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: the thirty two teams. Here I knew that Deshaun Watson 140 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go to prison for what he's accused of, um, 141 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: despite all these standing civil cases. That once that hurdle 142 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: was cleared, that's where, yes, you could say the shamelessness 143 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: came in everyone said I not everyone, but a lot 144 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: of teams said, I want that guy to be the 145 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: face of my franchise, and the Browns it wasn't. Even 146 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: though we've talked about the inconsistencies and the failings of 147 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: the reporting UH in the industry around the story, what 148 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: it sounds like here is that they didn't get the 149 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: story wrong. Um. In the last twenty four hours the 150 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: Browns were out, they were told they were out, and 151 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: when then the reporting was this morning that it was 152 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: gonna be the Falcons or the Saints. And then the 153 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: Browns had conversations obviously behind the scenes they have all 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: the Baker speaking of melodrama Baker Mayfield situation brewing, and 155 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: they said, what if we did something unprecedented? And I 156 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: guess you could call that savvy by Andrew Berry and 157 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: the Browns um or whatever term you want to use. 158 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: But ultimately it was like the desperation of it all 159 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: five years fully guaranteed two thirty million contract UH to 160 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: to make Deshaun Watson change his mind. And it's it's 161 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: good you said that, Greg, because that's something I wrote 162 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: down when I was just thinking about the situation. We 163 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: talked about the bills yesterday, and I talked about on 164 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: the podcast how there was a desperation to the Bills, 165 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: but not necessarily the bad kind of desperation was just 166 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: that feeling that we're right there and we we wanted 167 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: so bad to finally bring a Lombardi to Buffalo, that 168 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna give von Miller this contract we might regret. 169 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: The Browns this is the other type of desperation. This 170 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: is the team that's been a laughing stock for so 171 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: long that finally had a taste of success and then 172 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden things started to back up on 173 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: them again, and you had the Baker Mayfield story spinning 174 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: out of control, and everyone was looking at the Browns 175 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: and talking about the Browns. Oh Man, same old Browns. 176 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: So they do this too in their estimation, change the 177 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: trajectory of the franchise or put them back on a 178 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: championship path. But I don't know if the trajectory here 179 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: Mark is gonna be what they bargain for. Yes, they 180 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: are a much better team now, even though losing all 181 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: those draft sets is problematic. You now have one of 182 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: the top five quarterbacks in the sport, arguably locked and 183 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: loaded for years to come. But ultimately at what cost 184 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: beyond two thirty million, because I think, and this is why, 185 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: even as a non Browns fan, it's just like it 186 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: changes the trajectory of how people see the Browns, who 187 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: are never going to be seen as a levable fund 188 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: upstart team to root for when they do get on track, 189 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna be seen as the team that hired the 190 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: guy that's facing sexual assault charges or allegations from dozens 191 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: of women. And there's just no way to go around that. 192 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: They looked at that and said, we can deal with 193 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: that because we need to get to where we want 194 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: to go when it comes to wins and losses. And 195 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: that's just disappointing. Yeah, I think it's you know, it's 196 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: blind ambition. And I get also that in a vacuum, 197 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: if you're a general manager, um, you're measured by the 198 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: players you bring in and the roster that you build, 199 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: and and and if this were, you know, simply a 200 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: data driven computer game, than Andrew Barry is savvy, and 201 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski and the ownership and everyone else they are. 202 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: But the problem is is that football, I mean, the 203 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: way that I view football and what got me into football, 204 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: there's always this immense human side. Like I didn't get 205 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: into football um as a fan. I don't mean just 206 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: to go down this road. But by watching athletes do 207 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: special things, that's cool. But then when you watch that 208 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: three hundred times, like anything that you do three hundred 209 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: times starts to get wrote. Um. But it's the story 210 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: behind it, the people and and and especially like when 211 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: I came in as a Browns fan, Um, it was 212 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: Bernie Kozar, it was Marty Schottenheimer, Ernest Biner. Think of 213 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: people like that. How we think about those people today 214 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: and how they were. They were faulty and they failed. 215 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: And I learned a lot right out of the gate 216 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: with the drive and the fumble about um failing and 217 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: then getting back up. And that's always what the Browns 218 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: were to me. This is the reverse. This is the 219 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: story you can't root for. I can. I don't think ahead, No, 220 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: I I mean I just I think that. I think 221 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: that a big chunk of fans ken And that's the 222 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: difference between how some of us view sports and attached 223 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: to it or willingly detached from it. That's what I 224 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: was gonna say. I don't want to be hypocritical about this, 225 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: Like if if it was the Jets that were getting 226 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I I try to imagine like how I'd 227 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: be feeling. I would definitely be unhappy with the process. 228 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: It would be the same thing I just said about 229 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: the Browns of the Jets, if they ever get there together, 230 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: would be a really great feel good story and and 231 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: you that would be part of the fun ride with 232 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: seeing like the nationally and internationally people getting behind the team. 233 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen if you have a guy like 234 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. But then there is the part of you, 235 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: the person that's the sports fan that where your I 236 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: was born into it. I was born into being a 237 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: Jets fan from my dad, Keith. Like now I have 238 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And it's 239 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: just like like we're talking about with Nick Wessling tweeting 240 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: at you yesterday, Like when you are born into it, 241 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: when it's in your blood, it makes something like this 242 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: is even more difficult to process. And that's why I'm 243 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: not gonna stand here on a soapbox and say anybody that, um, 244 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: you know it was gonna still root for the fans 245 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: for the Browns now it is dirt, because I know 246 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: it's not that simple. But it just makes the the 247 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: idea of being a sports fan and a Browns fan 248 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: a much more tricky proposition. And that's and that's the 249 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: bummer of it too, because it is one of the 250 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: great fan pases uh in the league. And one little 251 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: thing like I and I think if if you really 252 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: wanted to have a fair show, you could, you could 253 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: bring a Browns fan on. And I know some inside 254 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: the building that's that choose to still root for the 255 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: team because it's not me espousing. You know, here's my 256 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: take on it, and everyone else is wrong if they 257 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: think otherwise. I genuinely think that there are different people 258 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: that are going to come from different points of view. 259 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: This is mine. Um, it's a complex situation. I can't 260 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: really remember an NFL situation like this. I think also 261 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: because like we're changing, society is changing a little bit. 262 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: I think if this happened in nineteen seventy two, there 263 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't really be the same discussion around it that just 264 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: the woulden. And I can't explain you know all that either, 265 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: but um, it is a complex problem to drop on 266 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: this pool list fan base. But also think about Panthers fans, 267 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Falcons fans, Saints fans, um Seahawks, whoever else that we're 268 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: in on this that failed, and you still walk away 269 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: feeling like, Wow, our our organization showed their true colors, 270 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: and and that creates that same dilemma for those people too. 271 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: Like we we've been talking about why this story is 272 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: difficult this week and everything, and I know some listeners 273 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: are probably sick of that hearing that side of things, 274 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: but it's like, now now is the time to talk 275 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: about it. We're going to talk about football when he's 276 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: playing football. I never was from the vantage point that, like, 277 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: this guy should never play football again. I was from 278 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: the vantage point of nothing's changed since this started. He's 279 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: still the same. The allegations have only grown worse. Um 280 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: they're out there, you can read them. The NFL, I expect, 281 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: will suspend him, um significantly. And and it was just 282 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: all the ways to get to this point, like the 283 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: process of like that, you didn't have to do it 284 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: that way. You didn't have to kind of whitewash everything 285 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: for his agent. You didn't have to be an advertisement 286 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: for David Muggle Muggle Etta, because that's that's sort of 287 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: what this all felt like to me. The most powerful 288 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: agent in the league controlling this as well as humanly possible, 289 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: and and partly like using that as an advertisement of 290 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: how powerful he is in the kind of clients that 291 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: he's going to get in the future, and how far 292 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: out those tentacles go in terms of power inside of 293 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: the media, inside of you know, the front front offices, ownership, 294 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: all of that. Like you didn't you just didn't have 295 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: to like contribute to that. You didn't have to pay 296 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: two forty six guaranteed million dollars, like you didn't have 297 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: to give up three for surround traffics. In the end, 298 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: you did because he did this job. Um, But it 299 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: wasn't like, hey, let's let's get this guy at a discount. 300 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: It's it's like, not only, um, do we not discount 301 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: him for the ways that he essentially was a predator 302 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: for women. Not only were gonna discount I think he 303 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: did better than he would have done a year ago, 304 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: Like we're gonna reward it because we haven't seen him 305 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: in the year going into a suspension and so it's 306 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: all these like little different steps of the process. I 307 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: think that are frustrating because he got rewarded like like 308 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: we're we're sound annoyed about it, but like like women 309 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: in this industry and and us, like I find it 310 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: very it's just it's discouraging because it's like you're working 311 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: in that industry and it's discouraging, and and if you're 312 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: a victim of sexual violence orvice conduct or anything, it's 313 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: like it's just it's so discouraging that ultimately it's like 314 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: no one gives and like I should know that I 315 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been so naive. There's something about being a 316 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: quarterback in the head of the team. But look at 317 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: what's going on within ownership in our league, like many 318 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: different things over the last few years that have been 319 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: as bad stories and and it's like that that doesn't 320 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: change either. So in part that's like part of my naivete. 321 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: But I remember covering the Ben Roethlisberger story and no 322 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: one wanted him, and in their different stories and you 323 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: can find the differences, but that's not the point to me. 324 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: It's like it's do do you care about something other 325 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: than money and winds or or do you not? And 326 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: the Roethlisberger thing, like the Steelers are ready to trade him, 327 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: like no, like we reported at Pro Football Talk at 328 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: the time, they were putting it out there. I know 329 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: that for a fact no one was going for him 330 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: when that thing was up in the air. This this 331 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: was different because it felt like not only like, are 332 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: aren't the networks talking about the other side of things 333 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: in the fan base and the fracture that you're seeing 334 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: that like you're making Mark Sessler not route for the 335 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Browns um, but but also that that you just like, 336 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: are gonna go the extra mile to be shameless about 337 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: it and sort of not have any idea. Um. And 338 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: and that's where they left it, like we will talk 339 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: about the football, of course, that's all you know, That's 340 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: all we do is talk about football two or three 341 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: times a week. But like to come back here talk 342 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: about him, it's disappointing. Um. Ultimately, his his reputed Watson's 343 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: reputation is permanently stained. He missed the full season of play, 344 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: and he'll probably miss anywhere between let's say, I don't know, 345 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: four to seventeen more games uh in the upcoming season. 346 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: But other than that, he's got everything he wanted out 347 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: of this. At the end of the day, he wanted 348 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: out of Houston. He got out of Houston, and I 349 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: don't even he wasn't even initially asking to get his 350 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: contract ripped up and turned into the greatest quarterback contract ever. 351 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: But he got that too, And that's that's what's mind 352 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: blowing and so crazy about this. And also I just 353 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: went and checked on Cleveland Brown's Twitter. There's no note, 354 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: there's no mention of this. Just like we talked about yesterday, 355 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: I said I had a hunch that they could try 356 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: to Friday news dump this. I said five o'clock. It 357 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: was four o'clock on a Friday that the Browns pull 358 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: the trigger on the biggest deal in the history of 359 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: the franchise. And they don't even have any announcements online 360 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: right now. I don't know if a press releases out, 361 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's official yet or whatever. But 362 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: it is notable that that is absolutely what they're trying 363 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: to do here. This is all part of the plan 364 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: that you kind of you to keep this. They know 365 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna get killed just and they deserve to be 366 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: killed in a lot of ways here, and they're trying 367 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: to control that and spin it however they can. It's 368 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: just Mark at the end of the day. To me, 369 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: it's just it's surreal. It's just surreal that this now 370 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: comes to the Brown's doorstep and they and they welcomed 371 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: the situation to their doorstep, and they're gambling on the 372 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: short attention span of us all because because even to 373 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: Greg's point, well now is the time to talk about 374 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: the nuance and layers of it. It's gonna fade away 375 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: and we're just gonna wind up um tired of that 376 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: aspect and talking about the football aspect, that that will 377 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: become the normal way with this situation, and that makes sense, 378 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: like where that's not what we're gonna do is talk 379 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: about the outfit like that's why this this was like 380 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: the time to talk about it and watching like I 381 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: just like what or like what did all the extra 382 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: like like being nice to Deshaun Watson's agent get you? 383 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: No one had this story, No one had any of it. 384 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: No one's had any of these stories. Like in fact, 385 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: like every I know you can say like Dan, it 386 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: wasn't wrong and they jumped back in and maybe that's true. 387 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: Maybe that's not because the fire hose of information that's 388 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: been coming out has been basically from one camp and 389 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: you don't know, I don't know what happened in those 390 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: meetings maybe will happen, and those meetings like, we don't 391 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: we don't know how all that happened, but it didn't. 392 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: It didn't get you anything like all of it. What 393 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: would would have happened anyways? All right, Yeah, and you're 394 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: in the college job man. That was a that was 395 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: a truth bomb you sent out on a dart on 396 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: Thursday night. And when you said it, I was like, 397 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: that was pretty good there. Maybe no, I mean it's 398 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: it's I guess we've been doing this long enough where 399 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: you start to you start to see some of those things. 400 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: But even within the realm of having some experience in 401 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: this business, now, the fact that this is it will 402 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: never there will never be one that's at this level 403 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: because a name this big, a transaction this big is 404 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: thorny is. The issue is to pull it the Friday 405 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: News dump onto Shaun Watson is that's an all timer. 406 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: And I will tell you one thing. I don't care 407 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: if Tom Brady in the next sixty minutes is kidnapped 408 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: by like land pirates. We're not doing another We're not 409 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: doing another show this week. This is We're done. This 410 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: is it. You're lucky if you're gonna get me next week. 411 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm going to Disneyland next week. You'll get 412 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: me maybe Monday, and that's it. Um, And you're right, Mark, 413 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: you are absolutely right. And I'll be cynical here too. Now, 414 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: Yes we are. Everyone's in their feelings about this story. 415 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: In two years, no one's gonna care, and the Browns 416 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: will be an a f C contender and they might 417 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl or they might not, but there 418 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: will be people that always bring this up. But I 419 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: just feel like the story, as we talked about it now, 420 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: is going to fade away and the Browns will have 421 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: their finally have their answer at quarterback. And that's why 422 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: they did it ultimately, because they're banking on history repeating itself. Um, 423 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, as as much of a bummer as that 424 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: might be. Here are the trade terms, just to get 425 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: it out there, and then we're gonna we're gonna sign 426 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: off in a couple of minutes, just because we wanted 427 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: to get the reaction in. In fact, we kind of 428 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: wanted to let it simmer a little bit. But we 429 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: had some uh inside the building shadowed with league figures 430 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: saying get it up there, get it up there. And 431 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, it made sense though it was just one 432 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: of those things, you know, right, I was like, I personally, 433 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: just speaking for myself, was in my feelings and in 434 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: the in the immediate feeling, just as related even to 435 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: the show, was like, screw that guy. We're not doing 436 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: anything for that guy. By the way, again, I'm supposed 437 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: to be at a bar by the way watching Matt 438 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: March Madness with my friends drinking beer this son of anyway, 439 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: the trade terms it is three first round picks in 440 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: addition to a rounder and rounder. Um, so the Browns 441 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: mortgage their future entirely obviously here and and and hope 442 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: that Watson will be great enough to cover up the balance. 443 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: And I would think for the whoever the team was 444 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: going to be, including the Browns, I'm not they'll never 445 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: admit this, but I assume, and maybe they know more 446 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: internally these teams than the outside does, that the suspension 447 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: will be beefy. And you combine that with no first 448 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: round pick and any other roster flaws you might have, 449 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: and now maybe some salary cap tightness because of your 450 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: deal you just did, and maybe you're like punting on 451 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: the season and you're looking at the long game here again, 452 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: the long game, it's gonna be a little rough for 453 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: a year or two here when people are upset about this, 454 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: But in the big picture of Browns are going to 455 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: be in a really good place. I wonder if they 456 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: thought about that too, like the prospects. But we see 457 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: a bigger picture here with Watson leading the way for 458 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: a long time. I remember that Mark Sanchez apology contract 459 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: when they went after some other quarterbacks. They went after 460 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: Peyton Man and he felt bad and then they gave 461 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: him the a apology contract. In fact, Dan got in trouble, 462 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: Arthur Blank and give Matt Ryan like an apology corporation, 463 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: like give him home depot or give him an apology 464 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: yacht like your friends, Like that's the thing we we 465 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: We had a show today that got blown up it 466 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: or it stopped in the middle of the show. And 467 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned like all the losers in this situation. It's 468 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: like there are other losers in this too, and the 469 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: Falcons are right there at the top of the list. Geez. 470 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the only thing worse than showing your 471 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: butt to get Deshaun Watson is showing your butt and 472 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: then not getting Deshaun Watson. So you know, whatever, man, 473 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: this is the last podcast of the week. Better believe 474 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: it is, Mark, I really yeah, it's going to be 475 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens with this our podcast as 476 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: well as I look insular with the Browns. Now it's 477 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: it's man, I don't know, Man, I don't know what's 478 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: going to happen with you. I'm really interested to see 479 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: what happens next, because yeah, you have one of the 480 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the league now, But what people, it's 481 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: crazy Mark, because like, yeah, I was sitting with Keisha 482 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: and I'd like to think we're all close friends, and 483 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, our first reaction, of course, both of our 484 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: first reaction was like, oh poor Mark, and just like 485 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: a little worried, you know, And then I know on 486 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: Twitter it's the it's the same. It's what there is. 487 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: I will say there is. I'm I'm going to explore this. 488 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: But I kind of feel free, Um that's been hanging 489 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: around my next for thirty five plus years, Like this 490 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: kind of feels maybe like what I needed to do. 491 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: So but psychologically it's it's it's a mind bender, Mark, 492 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: because you now are going to be in a situation 493 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: potentially where the Browns rise up as an organization with 494 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: a superstar quarter. I'm just again, like I said earlier, 495 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: I want to make it very clear, there's no soapbox 496 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: here or judging of Browns fans because it was the 497 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: Jets that got Deshaun Watson. It's in my blood. It's 498 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: something I can't escape from, and I don't know how 499 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: I would react to it, uh and and make peace 500 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: with it. You are right now saying you're out, and 501 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: that's because you're a passionate man, and that's part of 502 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: the one of the many reasons we love you. I 503 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: want to see how the next six to eighteen months 504 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: play out, alright, six days to eighteen months play out, 505 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: to see how this really that's fair? And almost said 506 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: one thing, I like, I didn't grow up in Cleveland. 507 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: I can't say it's in my blood. I found them 508 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: on my own growing up on the East Coast, and 509 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: I love having been to Cleveland a bunch of times. 510 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: I love the city. I love Browns fans in general. 511 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: They have been one of the I mean, it's one 512 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: of my best experiences of working at them and has 513 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: been Browns fans, and so I'm not whatever they choose 514 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: to do. I I want happiness for them. But like 515 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: we can go in a different way. All right. We 516 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: have done five podcasts and a television show this week. Well, 517 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: now break and I'm turning off my phone and and 518 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: deleting my work email and no one can touch me 519 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: for the next two days. And oh no, what Power 520 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: Rankings is do on Monday morning. I'm not even thinking 521 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: about that right now. I want everybody have a nice weekend. 522 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: I want everybody enjoy themselves, have a safe weekend, get 523 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: a little loose if you have to process some things, 524 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: and then we'll see you again on Monday with another 525 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: edition of the podcast. I didn't I was a little 526 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: bummed I didn't get a chance to do it on 527 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: Thursday night. But now that we have this uh extra chance, 528 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: I want to bring in Grave Digger, but he knows 529 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: he can't come in unless he does his new intro. 530 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: And we want to thank you justin for awesome work 531 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: all week. You you picked one hell of a week 532 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: to be a full time producer for a t N 533 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: and the shows were great with you leading the way. 534 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: So thank you, good man. I appreciate it. It was 535 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: a fun week alright, good stuff. You know what? You 536 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: know what else we gotta do this weekend? I feel 537 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: it stronger than ever at this moment, we got to 538 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: heed the call. Yeah, Like beautifully said Greg Rosen, thought 539 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: Chris Westling, we wish you were with us right now 540 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: to be discussing this madness. But we'll be thinking about 541 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: you while we spend our time with our families and friends. 542 00:28:46,120 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: So until Monday, yes, heed the call. S