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Speaker 3: Hello beat NIX slowly getting there. I can feel it.

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Speaker 3: We are inching closer to a name. It's time for

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Speaker 3: another installment of teen Beat with me. Danielle Fischel, the

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Speaker 3: host of the nineteen ninety eight ABC TGIF premiere party

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Speaker 3: featuring the musical stylings of in Sync and an appearance

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Speaker 3: from the Olsen Twins. But now decades later, I sit

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Speaker 3: more about their present selves. And I am the perfect

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Speaker 3: host because, like I say, I gave you my childhood.

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Speaker 2: It's time we hear yours.

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Speaker 3: And this week I'm joined by someone else who experienced

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Speaker 3: the joy of puberty under the watchful eye of an

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Speaker 2: She began her.

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Speaker 3: a PSA for foster care, though not this one. A

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Speaker 3: in her origin story. But first she'd transition into print

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Speaker 3: modeling at age ten, all from the comfy confines of

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Speaker 3: moment she became a nineties it girl. She made her

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Speaker 3: Us All, a film that has grown from box office

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Speaker 3: failure to cult classic, now correctly repositioned as a feminist manifesto.

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Speaker 3: But now she's employed her ten thousand hours of experience

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Speaker 3: starring in a dizzying amount of Hallmark movies like Autumn

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Speaker 3: like Love Guaranteed on Netflix and an upcoming cinematic reunion

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Speaker 3: I can tell you, as someone who has now been

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Speaker 3: she is always the coolest girl in the room. But

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Speaker 3: is it possible that underneath that cool is somehow some

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Speaker 3: Welcome to teen Beat, the one, the only Rachel Lee.

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Speaker 1: Cook Danielle Fischel. That was the nicest intro I've ever

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Speaker 1: gotten in my life. I don't even care that it's

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Speaker 1: not true most of it. I'm not cool, You're You're

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Speaker 2: God, You've always been cool, truly.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to be like Hallmark cool. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I am like I never felt cool. I was such

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Speaker 1: a little try hard too, Like am embarrassing really.

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Speaker 2: In one way, and you never came across that way.

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Speaker 3: Just so you know, we apparently cannot understand how we

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 3: You actually were the definition of effortlessly cool. So, I mean,

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Speaker 3: hope to find something. Let's start in Minnesota. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: were in no way a Nepo baby. You was a

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Speaker 1: Much heavier on the social worker for sure.

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Speaker 2: But did you ever get to see your dad on stage?

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Speaker 3: As a social worker. Yes, the impact he made on people,

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Speaker 1: time and Mannesota. Wow. So yeah, amazing guy. What was

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Speaker 2: It's so nice to be in the same room with you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes when parents are trying to make it

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Speaker 2: He'd be like, why do people like you so much?

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Speaker 3: No, I think it had the word angel in it.

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Speaker 3: My brother was an eighteenth angel. Was there a kid

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Speaker 2: I think that was my brother.

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Speaker 3: We It didn't really cause too many problems between my

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Speaker 3: So it's nice because I also can take responsibility for

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Speaker 1: And that's that's so well said. And you have two kids.

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Speaker 1: How conscious are we as parents of two, of being

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Speaker 2: Yes it is.

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Speaker 3: And I boy, I don't even give one of them

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Speaker 3: I want to highlight their differences. I don't want them

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Adler, what a game man. Your focus was

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Speaker 3: And Keaton you were the best listener of any other

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Speaker 3: those are harder to maintain, yes, because everyone goes on

438
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: to the next set. Now there's new relationships they have

439
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: to make, and they're preoccupied with everything else that goes on.

440
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 3: But I always went back to my high school. I

441
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: always so I had the same group of friends from

442
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: junior high and high school.

443
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: Well they are still and they were supportive, and they're.

444
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: Still my best friends today, and so I at least

445
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: had that. When your friends are all in Minnesota and

446
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 3: now you're in LA which is not notorious for being

447
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 3: a great place to meet people, it can be really difficult,

448
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 3: especially as a teenager.

449
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: Difficult. Yeah, I mean, like I when I started, it

450
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 1: was at this transition from you know, eighth grade into

451
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: the probably the biggest high school in Minneapolis. My graduating

452
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: class was close to twelve hundred.

453
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

454
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: So it was like I was I had just sort

455
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: of been plunged into this. See I was there barely

456
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: a full year before everything started, okay, and so it

457
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: was a time of great transition wherever it was going.

458
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: But who are we going to be friends with in

459
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: high school? You know what I mean? That which is normal,

460
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: And I didn't feel like abandoned or anything like that,

461
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: but it was hard to talk about, you know, the

462
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: the luck that had come my way and the fascinating

463
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: opportunities that had come my way while being myself the

464
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: way I was raised, which is Minnesotan to the core,

465
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: like just keep keep it down. Yeah, you know what

466
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like be chill, be great. They don't talk

467
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, and people were curious, you know what

468
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's it just became confusing what was

469
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: my nature to not want to talk about it and

470
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: what was also just what was sort of understood.

471
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: We've talked about it on Podmeats World before, that feeling

472
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: of like and the very reality of friends wanting to

473
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 3: know more, kids wanting to know more. But also if

474
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 3: you talk about it, then you're bragging. So it's a

475
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: real catch twenty two where you get it, yeah you can.

476
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: There's no real win.

477
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: It's like if I talk about it, oh she thinks

478
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: she's so full, and if you don't talk about it,

479
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: she's too cool.

480
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: There's no real win.

481
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: Complee bat. I'm glad that. I mean, I I storry

482
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: to make you like cover ground you've covered on your

483
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: numerous other projects. But I remember the when I saw you,

484
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, ten years ago, randomly, I think when we

485
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: were out at Bobby Kim's stair so fun and I

486
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: was just like Danielle, I was just like so excited

487
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: to see you because again, when you're like, I didn't

488
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: have the you sort of had a haphazard high school experience,

489
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: but my sort of absence of one made me create

490
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: like this belief that people like you did go to

491
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: high school with me. You don't know this, but that's.

492
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: How I was in our school experience.

493
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

494
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, well, I mean what I described nineties

495
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: con as being a high school reunion, it is our reunion.

496
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, and very much forward to going later.

497
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it's fantastic.

498
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: It's such a warm and fun place to run into

499
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: the people you may have only met a handful of times,

500
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 3: or sometimes there are people you think of as being

501
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: my that's my friend, I know that person for you know,

502
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 3: and then you haven't maybe talked or seen each other

503
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: in a few years. It's it's really incredible. You guys

504
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: did do a babysitters reunion in twenty eighteen, right.

505
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Yes, we did. It was so wild. A lot of

506
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: us had very very young kids at the time, and yeah,

507
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: we met up and let's say Austin, Yeah, and watched

508
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: the movie there and they made the mistake of giving

509
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: us some really strong Margarita's before the movie and mistake.

510
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 2: Or genius genius.

511
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: Idea, Lareisa, I'm about to sell you out hard right now,

512
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: because I've never laughed harder. Then we start watching the

513
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: movie and Peter Horton comes on, who plays uh, Christie's father,

514
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: and we realized now as full grown woman women that like.

515
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: This guy's hot.

516
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Like we were like, what wait a minute. Larissa goes, oh, yeah,

517
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: Christie's dad. Like just she was Lresa, You're not.

518
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: Wrong, You've been seen for sure. And then comes Tom

519
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: and Huk. I mean, you play Becky Thatcher. You are

520
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: clearly only interested in huge projects, did you? Were you

521
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: just Rachel Lee cook Off for only blockbusters?

522
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm fully auditioned for that, and I

523
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: maintain that I got that movie because I had just

524
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: done other movies. I feel like, I like, if I

525
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: watched my early work, I'm like, oh, it looks like

526
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: you plucked somewhere off the street, and we're just like

527
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: can you speak English? And I was like, I can't see,

528
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: and then like they just threw me out there. I

529
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: barely know what the stakes of any given scene are.

530
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: It's just so I feel like I don't look even

531
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: look like I know what I'm doing.

532
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: Well, But to be fair, how could you You hadn't

533
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 3: studied the craft, not in a.

534
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Very real way. I want to what a couple actings

535
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm saying.

536
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 3: You're learning it, you're in the process of learning it,

537
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: and yet you were given the opportunities for a reason.

538
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: Don't don't take it away from yourself. You were given

539
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: opportunities because you showed up with the factor they were

540
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: looking for. Factors they were looking for, and they knew

541
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: that you were capable. I mean, these movies are classics

542
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: for a reason, you being one of them.

543
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: I so appreciate that. And yeah, I am so jealous

544
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: of like all the like. Granted you had to learn

545
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: on the job as well.

546
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nothing started off with.

547
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: A bang, and you just like put in so many

548
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: hours and you know, I feel like people who had

549
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: your job, I felt like you guys are like the

550
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: real actors.

551
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: That's so funny, And all we felt was that you

552
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: were the real act Truly, we looked at what we

553
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: were doing as being like just nobody takes us seriously.

554
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: It's so what we're doing is for kids.

555
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: You knew what your next job was and I thought

556
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: that was amazing.

557
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: Well, yes, there was some version of jobs.

558
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: At the very least we knew in twenty two episodes

559
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: this season. We never really knew what was going to

560
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: come next season, but at least we would know whether

561
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: we were picked up for thirteen or twenty two.

562
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't you.

563
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: Know, three months at a time and then what comes next,

564
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: which is a real terrifying feeling.

565
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: Even if you're a teen.

566
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, it is as good as what's on the

567
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: dock at next Yes.

568
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: You guys probably were thinking like are we renewed all

569
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: of the time, but to the rest of us, it

570
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, my god, show's going to be

571
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: on forever and ever. And I remember saying to Ryde

572
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: our God, such like, oh, you know, like I just

573
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: want to do movies because I couldn't believe the page

574
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: count and how fast everything was happening. I was like,

575
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh they're doing this. I'm not capable really,

576
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, so you off.

577
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: As being like I'm going to pass this off as

578
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: like I don't want to do TV.

579
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I definitely was intimidated by

580
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: what I knew you guys were turning in all the

581
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: time and fast.

582
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is fast.

583
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: I mean, and now I hear like about you know

584
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: what it's like to be on a soap opera? O?

585
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: What now? What you do with Hallmark movies?

586
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: That is? It is order line, irresponsibly fast. We always

587
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: make it happen. I know.

588
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: But like, have you got you've done I've never done one. No,

589
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: I've never done one. But but you guys do.

590
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know.

591
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: If it's like fourteen.

592
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: Days it is we get fifteen, get fifteen Okay, Okay,

593
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: great that question.

594
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: It's a huge difference.

595
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: It's still crazy fast. They just know how to make

596
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: it happen. We have a lot of multipurpose locations.

597
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

598
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: And we could do a whole separate thing about this

599
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get to make one together.

600
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: Oh would that be so fun? I know I would.

601
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: I would truly love that.

602
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

603
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: So back to Tom and Hawk. I mean, obviously this

604
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: is based on Mark Twain. It stars the biggest young

605
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: stars of the time, Jonathan Taylor Thomas and one of

606
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: my other favorites, brad renfro. Now, a few months earlier,

607
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: you were in Minnesota basically just most likely watching on

608
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: Home Improvement and now you're co starring with him.

609
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: What was that like for you?

610
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm so relieved that I hadn't seen home Okay, yeah,

611
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: so my parents bless him. Love your mom and dad.

612
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: You're snobs.

613
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: They just they didn't want to watch the grunting Guy. Yeah,

614
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: it's a delightful show. Sure is.

615
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: I know, I know now, So luckily I didn't have

616
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: the mania. And when you're you know, I was fifteen,

617
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: and I think he was like twelve and a half.

618
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, which seems weird when you're fifteen.

619
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: Totally, and I was going to say, how long did

620
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 3: it take for you to develop a crush on him?

621
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: But now that I hear that, you're like, absolutely not.

622
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: This is a child and I am a woman.

623
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: Because I remember I was. I was in my mind.

624
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: I was a full blown woman at fifteen, completely, and

625
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: someone twelve was like, yeah.

626
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: So you might have been thirteen, and Brad was like twelve,

627
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: but Brad somehow had the soul.

628
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: I get into it about the sixty to seventy year

629
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: old man.

630
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: You're a touring jazz musicians exactly like I can't even yeah,

631
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: just wild at the age of the soul on that human. Yes,

632
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: in some ways when people are like, can you believe it?

633
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, in some ways.

634
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in some ways because he did live a

635
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: lot longer in those years than the rest of us.

636
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 2: Know who. What was that movie like for you in

637
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: your downtime?

638
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: Did you hang out with that? I mean they were

639
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: younger than you, But did you What did you do?

640
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: I would have welcomed a friend hip with Jonathan. He

641
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: was very funny in a kind of under way and

642
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: wildly smart. And you remember the connection between him and

643
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: David and Wesley your centres from back in the day.

644
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: We're all so connected, you guys, gets weird. Weird. So yes,

645
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: that David being my set teacher on that movie is

646
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: what introduced me to writer, introduced me to you. So

647
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: I was not super tight with Jonathan, but we weren't

648
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: as close. His mom was there and they were just

649
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: sort of like doing family time when it wasn't work

650
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: and it was cool. So Brad and I Brad was unsupervised,

651
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: to put it mildly, He was there with his grandmother, Joanne,

652
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: who was who was just kindstantly like broad broad Where

653
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know where you were? Brad and he'd

654
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: be like wrong, you know, you know what, Like he

655
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: just did his own thing what he wanted. He was

656
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: still get my head around to this day. And we

657
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: would go and hang out at like the waffle house

658
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: and house exactly to kick around Huntsville, Alabama, which is

659
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me.

660
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so an experience, it really was.

661
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: It was a really awesome experience. I hadn't been back

662
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: there since until about two years ago, and yeah, I

663
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: brought back a lot of memories. But yeah, I still

664
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: don't understand how I got that opportunity, like from going

665
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: from being able to be Maryann Spear who was you

666
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: know that was my favorite book series when I was

667
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: a kid, to Becky Thatcher who you know I had

668
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: to read tons were in school. A lot of us

669
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: did to be like, wait a minute, how is this?

670
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: How how have I gotten this lucky?

671
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: Especially when you have appreciated the work in your personal

672
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: life to then be like and now that's I decide

673
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: I want to be an actor.

674
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: These are the roles I get to play, like, that's it.

675
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: It was, that's a great feeling.

676
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Well, it was totally amazing, and I want to say

677
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: that I was just utter in love with like the

678
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: craft and acting, and I was because I also just

679
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: wanted to find out if I was good at anything.

680
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: I was one of those kids who was like not

681
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: at the top of my class in school, did fine,

682
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: but like not sporty, don't have me catch a ball,

683
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: like like not. So when it was just like, oh,

684
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: you can do this, it's like how we've all wondered

685
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: if we're secretly good at something that could get us

686
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: into the Olympics, or like, am I good at singing?

687
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll just sing a little bit when you're young

688
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: and someone will be like, you're amazing at this and

689
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: nobody does and you know, so when it was like

690
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: I felt like I found a superpower, it was kind

691
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: of incredible. But I was also not super popular. I

692
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: was like a little bit shy and awkward to all

693
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: we would get there, So sometimes I wonder if I

694
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: was just trying to jump being you know, I was like,

695
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna be school popular. What if

696
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: I can just be like life popular.

697
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: Right right?

698
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: What if I could be recognizable and that will feel

699
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 3: like popularity that's not I mean, honestly really smart.

700
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. Ps it didn't work okay, but in

701
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: retrospect it does feel like I got what I was

702
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: trying for. Yeah, which just kind of weird.

703
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: When does the frying pan commercial happen?

704
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: That?

705
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Uh my goodness, that was I think early nineteen ninety nine.

706
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: Okay, So for those of my listeners who are a

707
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: little too young, Rachel starred in an iconic PSA, taking

708
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: the classic this is Your Brain on drug commercials from

709
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: the eighties and remixing.

710
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: It a bit.

711
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: Indeed, rather than the monotone voice used in the original,

712
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: you not only showed us the egg, you violently smashed

713
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: the frying pan all over the kitchen, creating an aggressive destruction,

714
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: and talking about how Heroin in particular would taking through

715
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: in our families and our friends forever. This ad created

716
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: a frenzy around you and your hair also might be

717
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: the cutest cut ever depicted on the Did Everything in

718
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: Your Life change?

719
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: After that?

720
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: I was trying to have Netlie and Brulia's hair, so

721
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: that's probably where that came from. God, I don't think

722
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: I ever got there, but I tried, so that's where

723
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: that was. I feel like that PSA did more for

724
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: me than all the movies that I had. It just

725
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, shoots someone in grainy black and white and

726
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: let them break some shit and you're off to the races.

727
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: So you know, it gave me I think a little

728
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: bit of you know, oh hey, she can do this

729
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: more dramatic ish stuff, and then I got it was

730
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: just black and white. You know, I don't know which

731
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: I was. I try have my best, but yeah, for

732
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: something that paid zero dollars. You know, that was just

733
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: an initiative by Partnership for Drug Free America and the

734
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: whole war on drugs thing did not work. It didn't

735
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: pan out, didn't not not great, but specifically heroin, like

736
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: you said, not a controversial.

737
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: Take correct Heroin's Heroin's not good?

738
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: I said what I said?

739
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, did you want to take me to task?

740
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: I'm just not a fan.

741
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: Uh? Did you then after doing that, if you did

742
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: ever try a drug, did you have extra guilt?

743
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: Because I.

744
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Did? But okay weed? Who hasn't it's California? Yeah, and

745
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: found out that it is not for me? No? No,

746
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: why no?

747
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: I was like, but I want to know why for you?

748
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: Bad news. My feet are not attached to my legs anymore,

749
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: so I don't know how I'm to get home because

750
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: I think things. Yeah, yeah, so I don't know what

751
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna do about it, but anywhere, Yeah, it's.

752
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: Just apparently so okay, I mean they're still, they're there,

753
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: They're there, they are there.

754
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: I mean like, okay, knock on what. No. I was

755
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: just like, this is a I don't know if this

756
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: is for me.

757
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeahnoxious, I'm a chatty kathy, like you know, obviously there's

758
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: different types. You can have this chill type. I was

759
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: not having to once.

760
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: At yeah, uh Seth green Grand's house and I was

761
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: watching people do a puzzle and I fell asleep and

762
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: there was no judgment because they're awesome.

763
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gave it to you. We can't judge.

764
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not for me. But did I feel

765
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: bad because I was that this is your brand on drugs? Girl?

766
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: Sorry but no, no, no, I didn't know.

767
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: You did not you did not.

768
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just just curious that ever popped your head

769
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: in takes?

770
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: Did you shoot of that?

771
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: Was it? Like?

772
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: I feel like you must have just gone wild for

773
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: like three hours. But I don't know, not a.

774
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: Ton you have to be like wearing safety glasses at all.

775
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: They're kinds of like not that cool stuff for you're

776
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: trying to act all bad ass, so it's hard to control.

777
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: Was it cast iron?

778
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: It really was?

779
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: I mean, why did that need to be cast iron?

780
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: They could have given you a non sticks is why

781
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: your director? You've the girl a colflon?

782
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: Please? Okay?

783
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, not a ton. That was another like room

784
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: full of models situation. Walked in there and I's just like,

785
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: pardon because it was ck one era, right, I's just

786
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: like I meant, I think I'm in.

787
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: The should I do you want me to go?

788
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? But I remember that audition. I remember I like

789
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: booted over the card table at the end. You're just

790
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: supposed to like hit the plastic plates and the picture

791
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: and things like that, and I like got into it.

792
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: You took it an extra. That's that's what made you

793
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: stand out.

794
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: Those are the things. Those are the things.

795
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: That people we try, right, Yeah, that's those are the

796
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: things that people go, oh and then she did something

797
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: no one else thought to do.

798
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 2: And now guess what.

799
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: You could be. You don't have to be first or last.

800
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: You're still going to be silient right in the middle.

801
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: Kicked over the cart, thank you?

802
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: Yep?

803
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: What do you remember about your Boyma's world?

804
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: Edition, the first one where I didn't even get a callback.

805
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: Didn't know.

806
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even get I didn't get.

807
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to everyone who's heard this before. I needed

808
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: to hear it.

809
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, they I didn't have Boyme's world. They booked, they

810
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: booked someone else what. But then I had another audition

811
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: to play a part we have jokingly referred to as

812
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: fish Girl because she pulled a fish skeleton out of

813
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: a jar of something in a class. And I got

814
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: that role. It only had two lines. And then I

815
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: saw the girl they cast as to Panga, and we

816
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: were in the same episode she did the first day,

817
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: and at the end of the day they fired her.

818
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: And then they were like, well, we could do a

819
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: full recasting, or we could bring in these two girls

820
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: that are playing the fish girls, me and Marla Sockoloff,

821
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: and we both auditioned and then they called us later

822
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: that night and said Danielle got the roll show up

823
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: on Monday as Topanga.

824
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: Damn.

825
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: The rest is history.

826
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: That girl's mom had to be like, they replaced you

827
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: with fish Girl. Yeah, damn it.

828
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: Wow, crazy, crazy, crazy story.

829
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: I hope that she's like out carrying major diseases right now.

830
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: Are not wasting time in our nonsense industry. She is

831
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: wonderful and feeds my family.

832
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: Correct and we love it. She is actually still in

833
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: the industry. She is a contortionist and she is part

834
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: of a very famous, a very famous family. They do

835
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: like you know, she's on billboards for when the circus

836
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: comes to town and yeah she she her name's Bonnie Morgan.

837
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: We interviewed her on Pod Meets World and it was

838
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: very healing for both of us because you know those

839
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: you never usually talk to the people know you replace,

840
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: and so I got to hear from her perspective what

841
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 3: that must have been like and got to just flat

842
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 3: out ask her if every single year for the next

843
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 3: seven years, when Boy Meets World was popular and Corey

844
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: and Topanga were a thing, if it.

845
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: Was hard for her, And of course it was.

846
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: But you know, those are the kinds of like healing

847
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: conversations we get to have now as it's all.

848
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: So true, that's so beautiful. Yeah it was.

849
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: It was really nice.

850
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the things that wouldn't be the way that

851
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: they are. You know, who knows who her partner is now,

852
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, if she has kids now, the number of yeah,

853
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the butterfly effect as it.

854
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Were absolutely okay.

855
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: So now a little over a year later, She's all

856
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: that comes out, you play Lady Bogs and you end

857
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: up in a classic still considered a tent pole for

858
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: teen rom coms. Did this movie feel special.

859
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: When you were making it?

860
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: I felt really special to have gotten that part. I

861
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: could tell that it was good material. I could just tell.

862
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: Did I think any was going to see it? Now? Really?

863
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: Because I had done smaller movies than I wasn't aware

864
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: of the scale of it until it sort of started

865
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: and it felt bigger. So there's more trucks here. That

866
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: seems like it's different.

867
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: But the budget on this has gone up.

868
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: But you don't tak these things into account. Really when

869
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: you're a kid, You're like, the immediate crew on set

870
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: was about the same number as any given tiny movie

871
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I had done. Yea, I did a movie in Montana

872
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: that was probably a quarter of a million dollar budget,

873
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: and you know, in some ways it didn't feel that

874
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: different to me. So was the craft service different in retrospect?

875
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: Probably?

876
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, you just didn't necessarily pay attention to that exactly.

877
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: That's always how you can tell if there are too

878
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: many bags of cheese it's at craft service and not

879
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: a whole lot of I can usually tell this budget's

880
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: not great, but if there's fresh food, we were talking

881
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: real money here, you know your stuff.

882
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, been around, you've seen things.

883
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, I knew that was good. But did I

884
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: know that people were going to see it? Not necessarily.

885
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: I knew that I liked team, you know, like Led movies,

886
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: like John Hughes movies were like My and I'll be

887
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: All when I was young, like Molly Ringwald, and so

888
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I knew that it was something that I kind of

889
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: would have liked. And I was very similar to character

890
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: at that time in my life, which I know just

891
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: sort of like helped. I think I was really busy

892
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: thinking I was, you know, smarter than I was, and

893
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: acting like it, and pretending to have read and liked

894
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: books that I didn't. Just teenage nuns.

895
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's the description of the teenager for sure, exactly.

896
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: And so I think that where that movie played it

897
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: incredibly smart. Is that the wave of teen movies like

898
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: Varsity Blues and this, and that they were coming, but

899
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: we were just first. Yeah, so that was just smart.

900
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: I remember the hearing that they were really rushing post

901
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: to just like get it get it out, because yeah

902
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: near Max New and like.

903
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: Babysitters Club or even Tom and Hawk, you are once

904
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: again you were surrounded by superstars in your age bracket.

905
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: Listen to this Murderer's Row Freddie Prince Junior, Matthew Lillard,

906
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: Paul Walker, Anna Paquin, Kieran Colkin, Gabrielle Union, Duel Hill,

907
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 3: tam Ramello, Clea Duval, Alexis Arkhad and then also Usher

908
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: and Lil Kim.

909
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.

910
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: This had to be fun though, so much fun. Yeah, okay,

911
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: I I've really why.

912
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Is this now going to seem like a SOB story

913
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: about me being like, but I didn't have any friends,

914
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: but you didn't, so it was like a playful no.

915
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Well okay, Well while I was making She's all that,

916
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: I was busy dating someone who was in retrospect too

917
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: old for me.

918
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: That's a rite of passage, absolutely sure.

919
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: So that's sort of what I was up to, And

920
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I felt like all of the

921
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: rest of the cast somehow knew each other a little

922
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: bit already, Like Freddy and Doulay knew each other, I'm

923
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: pretty sure already. And Tamra just was this like taclout

924
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: ultimate cool girl. And I've since like I literally checked

925
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: her down where I found out we had a mutual

926
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: friend and I was like, I would like to be friends?

927
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Would you like to be friends? And now we are,

928
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: oh cool. Yeah. But at the time, I remember, you know,

929
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: like having a good rapport with everybody. But because of

930
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: the fact, especially we're not on location, everybody went home.

931
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: They went It was not like, what are you guys

932
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: doing this weekend. So even though I walked away from

933
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: that with a million fund memories and had a great experience,

934
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of everybody. I saw Gabrielle

935
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: somewhat because we had the same management company. Okay, always

936
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: been amazing. Yeah, And I was lucky enough to work

937
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: with Delay again on psych for a while and I

938
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: love him. He's so special. And Freddie and I are

939
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: looking to reunite and got in touch again after Paul passed.

940
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, god, we've been alive for a minute.

941
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: I know, when we talk about it all spaced out,

942
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 3: you're like, yep, there was that era of my life.

943
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 2: There's this yeah, yeah.

944
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: And thank you for being a documentarian of all of this.

945
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: You're kind of like our class president.

946
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 3: Thank you, gosh, you know what. I accept that role proudly.

947
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: Thank you. I do appreciate it.

948
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: Looking back at that whirlwind, what memories stick out the

949
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: most from that whole period, that whole she's all that

950
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: period of your life, Like is it when.

951
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: It comes out? Is it a premiere? Is it filming it?

952
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: Like?

953
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: Is there a moment that you're like, that's the most

954
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 3: salient for me from that time.

955
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: Whenever you look back that far, it's like a couple

956
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: little you know, uh, bashall peaks out of the ocean.

957
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: If I just had to remember a couple I remember

958
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: were shooting the prom scene. I did not know it

959
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: was going to be a very full, choreographed number. No

960
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: one tells you about the production plans when you're eighteen,

961
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: so I was like, what are you We're sure? Yep, okay,

962
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: this is wonderful. I went from like what to this

963
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: is amazing, like very quickly, and then I realized all

964
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: it once that they were going to try to teach

965
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: me a couple of moves and that didn't go good.

966
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: So I made up some nonsense about my character wouldn't

967
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: know the dance and I'm not really in that sequence.

968
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's great. You were like, you know what,

969
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: this is a character choice for me. Yeah. I love

970
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: that how I cried for you that you were.

971
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: Like, I'm just going to take this an artistic choice.

972
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: They will respect it more than me saying I can't yes,

973
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: and so we're gonna go with that.

974
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: There's three seconds of me like sort of like flailing

975
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: doing what looks like the monkey, and that is it.

976
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: It's pretty embarrassing and is also I've probably never done

977
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: dancing stars because I'm also not as brave as you,

978
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: but you should.

979
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

980
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: Here's my plan for dancing with the stars. Okay, we'll

981
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: ever be so kind as to invite me to guess.

982
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: I gotta wait till I'm a cool sixty three sixty

983
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: five and people say the phrase she's still got it.

984
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: I like that because right now I feel like that

985
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: would be rude to say, of my right right, that's

986
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: my plan.

987
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: She still got it.

988
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: I will tell you though, that if you if you

989
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: do it at sixty three, having doing it to become

990
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: significantly harder. I already at forty four doing it, was like, wow,

991
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: I can see the difference. Betweet, Yes, now that I

992
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: really now under stand to be fully related to the

993
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 3: medication that I'm on for cancer. Was not. I don't

994
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 3: think that would happen to if I were not taking

995
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: that medication. I think there I was that problem was

996
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: exacerbated by that medication. But the difference between the beautiful

997
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: twenty five year old alex Earl and the ease with

998
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: which her body moves compared to the forty four year

999
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: old it only gets harder, you know, it just becomes harder.

1000
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: And if you don't have dance experience I do not,

1001
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 3: which I did not either, well then good luck. So

1002
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: what I would say is do it in your sixties

1003
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: when you've still got it, but start dance. Now, spend

1004
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: the next twenty years having dance, having dance experience, and

1005
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: then when you come out it's sixty, they're going to

1006
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you will blow everyone away, but you

1007
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: have to start now. So I start that rehearsal process.

1008
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: Now get twenty years each Ye. I'm not the person,

1009
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: but I think we know some people who.

1010
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: Can help you.

1011
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that's very good advice.

1012
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: I have been reading some of my real teenage diary

1013
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: entries on podmeats World, and some of them are from

1014
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: when you were dating Writer MG, and I very clearly

1015
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: had a crush on him, but I also liked you

1016
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: so much that I couldn't be mean about you. And

1017
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: my diary, so I have a lot of entry things

1018
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: that are like hung out with Writer and Rachel today

1019
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: so cool.

1020
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure she really understand him though.

1021
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: Or things like seems like Writer and maybe didn't talk

1022
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: to Rachel on the phone today.

1023
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're on the rocks.

1024
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you.

1025
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: Remember ever feeling like I was there trying to be

1026
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 3: happy for you, but also possibly seething inside.

1027
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: I just felt like you were so busy with your

1028
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: grown up job and you're just so like beautiful and effervescent,

1029
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: and everybody loved you and like the hair, come on,

1030
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: come on, thank you? No, I remember here what like

1031
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: you've opened up your diary to me, I will open

1032
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: up my memory diary to you.

1033
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1034
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: Here's what I can Here's what I can give young

1035
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: Danielle Rider and I were First of all, I probably

1036
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: did not understand him all of the ways that you did.

1037
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: He's the most romantic, like beautiful, like very do you

1038
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: yourself so deep like just like I'm struck. I'm like

1039
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: the image of like the front of the Titanic, just

1040
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: like he's just he's such a beautiful I'm not doing

1041
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: good words for this, but you know.

1042
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: Exactly what I know what you mean.

1043
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: Yes, writer's most poetic soul we've ever met. Yes, And

1044
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: I remember this moment he had like come to visit

1045
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: me in Italy and there was this like field of

1046
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: sunflowers on the way to where we're going, and he

1047
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: tells the driver's staff the car and he looks at

1048
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: me what's out hand, and I'm like, oh no, oh no,

1049
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: what are we doing? We have to run into these

1050
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: through these flyers, like really looking for just like a movie.

1051
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: And I knew in that moment that I was just like,

1052
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not the person what he's like ultimately

1053
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna need. And I tried and we got a little

1054
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: way into that field, but I was just like, I

1055
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: don't I don't know about this. But the thing that

1056
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: I can definitely give to young Danielle is that even

1057
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: though we were each other's first lot of things, I

1058
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: remember he he one time made the I feel that

1059
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: sharing is lightly personal business, but I feel like he

1060
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: would be okay He's very open and warm and accepting

1061
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: and loving to his younger self. Uh. I remember one

1062
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: time he said to me like, if you weren't with me,

1063
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, who would you want to be with? And

1064
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: I realized in retrospect that he was probably thinking I'd

1065
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I don't know, James c if you

1066
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: was still alive, or something like that. But instead I

1067
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: say the name of my ex boyfriend and he takes

1068
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: it on the chin, and then I was like, I

1069
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: realized that I've probably answered wrong, and then I said, well,

1070
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: what about you, and he goes, Danielle.

1071
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: What I don't know the presses.

1072
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: I think I didn't remember.

1073
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then did you not like me after that?

1074
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: No?

1075
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 3: Well not now now, I'm sure, I'm sure it's fine.

1076
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: But at the time, were you like.

1077
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: I remember directly trying to figure out if I was

1078
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: in trouble first, because I was just like real, real,

1079
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: which I was not.

1080
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: Respect no, no, but yeah, oh that's so funny. I

1081
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: don't know that he remembers that, because when I told

1082
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: him on Pod Meets the World that I had a

1083
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 3: crush on him, he was like what And he did

1084
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: not in any way, shape or to say that he

1085
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: had no Maybe I was just the last person whose

1086
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: name he had seen.

1087
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: And if you think writers ever not thought about something,

1088
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: I know that's true.

1089
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh I can't wait to talk to him about it.

1090
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: It's true.

1091
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: This is this is game changing for me as Yeah

1092
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: it happened. Did you mostly then date other actors back

1093
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 3: then because it were who else were you meeting?

1094
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I know.

1095
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: We're in the same boat on this. We talked about

1096
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: this at dinner Kansas City, what five years ago?

1097
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: Now, Yes, we sure did.

1098
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. You know, you want to think that

1099
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna out with other people, but especially when you're

1100
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: young and you're doing something that feels kind of I

1101
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: don't know, like just odd. You don't you don't want

1102
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: someone who's going to like other.

1103
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: You Yep, a little bit.

1104
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: Yep. Not that it's like not that again now that

1105
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: you're convinced that you're special, because you're just like, I

1106
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: don't have a job next week, Like I'm this is

1107
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: all going to fall apart. But at the same time,

1108
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to feel like you're with someone who

1109
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: might be with you for the wrong reasons, and if

1110
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: someone's even too just like real life awesome You're like,

1111
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: but I'm not real life awesome, so you just up

1112
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: with other actors yep, you know. I yeah, I did

1113
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: a lot of fishing off the company peer.

1114
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: I also remember that you got to live out the

1115
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 3: dream of everyone who was on Boy Meets World and

1116
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: you were on Dawson's Creek.

1117
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: Yep.

1118
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: And with the recent loss of James Vanderbeek and everyone

1119
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: has been talking about what an amazing coworker and friend

1120
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: he was.

1121
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: Do you have good memories from that set?

1122
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: I so do, Yeah, I so do. I I get

1123
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: so in my own head when I that was my

1124
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: first time guest starring and I wanted to guess on

1125
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: this world. But if they did not ask me, she

1126
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: was crazy.

1127
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: I feel like they must have thought that you would

1128
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: not have done it.

1129
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: Probably if I had said that stuff to writer, right,

1130
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: the writer was like he was probably like, no.

1131
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 3: She would never or maybe yes, right, okay, But anyway, Yeah,

1132
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: Dawson's they were such a tight knit g and it's

1133
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 3: a little bit scary.

1134
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've done much guesting, but when

1135
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: you go in and everybody knows you to get really

1136
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: well and it's just established, like how you you know,

1137
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: do the dance and sing the song, and they're also

1138
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: loose in their bodies, so they all seem amazing at

1139
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: acting and you just feel like you're bad at acting

1140
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. Yeah, that was, you know, the

1141
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: sort of initial experience. But I wasn't like out of practice.

1142
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I fell into a groove with with

1143
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: the work, and they were all great to work with,

1144
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: James especially. What was weird about that experience is that

1145
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: first of all, I was I of course would have

1146
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: said yes, but I was told I was doing that

1147
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: by Miramax. They said, it's we've gotten you an arc

1148
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: on the show. Oh you're kind to come out the

1149
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: same weekend basically, or the weekend the weeks before. She's

1150
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: all that. It was all very strategic because I didn't

1151
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: audition for it.

1152
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: I don't know how muchage oy.

1153
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: And so that's how that went. But when I got there,

1154
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: I remember they made some changes to the character that

1155
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: was not what I had initially read, and that's how

1156
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: TV works, you know, I understand now. But it turned

1157
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: into like a kind of lightly humiliating part where my

1158
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: character was like obsessed with Katie Holmes's character. So I

1159
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: was just like being like weird and small and creepy

1160
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: and like taking notes on who she was because I

1161
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: was an actress playing the part of her in a

1162
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: movie that he was making, okay, and she had all

1163
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: these great sick burns, Like there's this one part where

1164
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: she says to DOZ and she's too short to me.

1165
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: I know, it's so good and I am fun just

1166
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: is what it is.

1167
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just like, I did not know

1168
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: that this was going to be happening when I got

1169
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: on the plane.

1170
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 3: Right right, But that's you know, that's life. But that

1171
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: is You're right, what a difference between movie. In movies,

1172
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 3: you usually you like fully understand the character and it's

1173
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: not usually completely rewritten because then the movie entirely changes,

1174
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: whereas TV, especially for a guest star, you could be

1175
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: agreed to be one thing and two days later, oh,

1176
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 3: not only is the person playing you different, the whole

1177
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: character is a different thing totally. So yeah, that is

1178
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: a little shocking to have come from the movies you've

1179
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: done and then be like I still have to do it.

1180
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: Oh I don't do I get does anybody care? I

1181
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: don't like it?

1182
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: So many ziggers? Yeah, it was still fun, Like after

1183
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: you sort of learned to. After I learned to embrace

1184
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: it a little bit more, it got more and more fun.

1185
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 3: How did you or maybe you did at some point,

1186
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: but having been doing this now for the amount of

1187
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: decades that we have, how did you avoid burnout? Or

1188
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: did you experience it at some point and then just

1189
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: get through it?

1190
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: Haven't we all?

1191
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel like I have for sure.

1192
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the burnout when I sort of let

1193
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: myself acknowledge it happened in my I can only say

1194
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: this because, you know, having started as young as we did.

1195
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: I was fifteen, you said your twelve, like I think

1196
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: it was in my It was right after I had

1197
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: both my kids. And it's not because I was working

1198
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: so so much. It was just the the idea of, Hey,

1199
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: I am the head of my household. I've made these

1200
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: two people. I've survived in the industry this long, and

1201
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm still getting calls from my agency saying like, you

1202
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: need to put yourself on this on tape for this

1203
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: by tomorrow, and the copies like you kids come in

1204
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: before it's dark, right, you know, and it's just like right,

1205
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: it still feels like people are making you prove that

1206
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: you can act at all yep, and that just feels

1207
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: really hard on the ego, and look, I know it's

1208
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: what we signed up, but it just felt really hard.

1209
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: And so that nature of just always having to be

1210
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: on call, drop everything, you know, this is what you

1211
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: have to do if you want to survive, which you

1212
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: just keep being told you know that. That's when I

1213
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: felt the most burnt out. And it wasn't until I

1214
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: started working for Hallmark and they empowered me creatively that

1215
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: I started to feel like I had any degree of

1216
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: autonomy in the business.

1217
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 3: That is so great. How did that then come about?

1218
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: Did they just recognize you as an actor who had

1219
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: good suggestions for things. Did you go to them and say, listen,

1220
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: I have more to offer I would like to produce.

1221
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 3: Did you come with an idea? How did you make

1222
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 3: that transition?

1223
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: I had been offered a couple of movies by them,

1224
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: and I was busy, sort of like having my first

1225
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: child and you know, being told by my agents like,

1226
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: it's probably not that time yet. And the couple scripts

1227
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: that I had read by them weren't quite hitting. But

1228
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: then I read this one that they sent and I

1229
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: just really loved the material. I was like, this is

1230
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: so funny and fresh and romantic, and it just it

1231
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: felt like what I wanted to say, you know what

1232
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: I mean. And it felt really aligned with my kind

1233
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: of like peaceful, you know, feel good, loving self. I

1234
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: still struggle. I'm trying my hardest to watch Stranger Things

1235
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: with my kid right now. I am struggling. I am

1236
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: very scared.

1237
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't like to be scared. It's not

1238
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: for me.

1239
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. And so I was just like, oh

1240
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, this thing that had been for

1241
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: no good reasons stigmatized to me, all of a sudden

1242
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: felt like a really good idea, and I went, I

1243
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: made it and I had the best time. And the

1244
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: amazing thing is, back then I think they were making Homework,

1245
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: was making something closely two hundred movies a year, right,

1246
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: So at that rate, when you get somewhere and you're like, oh,

1247
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: wait a minute, would it be okay if I X

1248
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: Y Z, you know, between these lines or whatever, and

1249
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, go for it. Like they they're

1250
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: really empowering to the people who work for them, and

1251
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: they're so supportive of women.

1252
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: Really, that's so great.

1253
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so when I was able to team up

1254
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: with a producer and bring them a project. It just

1255
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,439
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, kept going from there. It's been

1256
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: really awesome.

1257
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: That is so incredible. You're so inspiring.

1258
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: Thank you. Is there doing it all? Dad?

1259
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: Yell? No, I just mostly talk. I just mostly talk

1260
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: for a living God. Thank you.

1261
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: Is there a time that you wish you had a

1262
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 3: more traditional childhood, especially now where you're watching your kids

1263
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: approach the age where you made the big trip out

1264
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: to LA. Do you ever wish you could go back

1265
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 3: and do it differently?

1266
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: Or you there's some moments where I'll be talking to

1267
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: more specifically my daughter these days, about just something that

1268
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: might be happening with her socially this then yahther and

1269
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: I'll be trying to give her advice or something like that,

1270
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: and it will just be falling on the deafest of years,

1271
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: and I will realize that I am both forty six

1272
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: really far from you know, her age and experience growing

1273
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: up these days. And also I didn't do my younger

1274
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: years the way she's doing them, and so I wish

1275
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: sometimes that I felt like I was able to relate. Yeah,

1276
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: don't know if that would have been brought about by

1277
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: the passage of time, regardless but yeah, there's this weird

1278
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: moment that's always been so burned in my brain. When

1279
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: I was filming Tom and Hawk, I remember going to

1280
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: a matine movie with my mom on the weekend when

1281
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: we were filming, and a bunch of kids came out

1282
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: of whatever movie they were seeing, and they were all

1283
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: in the parking lot throwing the extra ice from their

1284
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: drinks at each other, and I just remember having this

1285
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: weird feeling just up the back of my spine, and

1286
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: I just kind of knew that no one was ever

1287
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: gonna like throw lies at me. Oh and like it

1288
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: felt in a weird way like I had graduated in

1289
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: some form, and in another way it felt kind of sad. Yeah,

1290
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: so it's funny. I did a movie let Me See

1291
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: a little over a year ago now with my good

1292
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: friend with a karsh Ambod car shout out I Love

1293
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: you from Ghost He's the best. Everybody loved him. That's

1294
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: a very meta story about an actress who goes back

1295
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: to her hometown and reconnects with him, her high school boyfriend.

1296
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: And we put in this moment where our characters go

1297
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: and get big LPs and then we chuck iceed each

1298
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: other and that was I'm not gonna say it was

1299
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: healing for me. That would be a real shortcut to like, ye,

1300
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, glazing that moment. But if there's a if

1301
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: there was a moment that.

1302
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 3: Was it wow beautiful, you didn't understand it, I do.

1303
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 3: I do understand, And I would like to just point

1304
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 3: out that you you did not have someone to throw

1305
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: ice at you, but you did have right or strong

1306
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: to drag you through a spiky flower patch. And so.

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Speaker 1: I did right. I always will, yep, I always.

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Speaker 2: Will, for sure.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, writer also pulled me into the rain. Loved

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Speaker 3: to run in the rain, and we were in I

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Speaker 3: think we were in Orlando, and it was like I

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Speaker 3: think it was at the end of the day and

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Speaker 3: the hair and makeup we were, you know whatever, and

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Speaker 3: then it was like Danielle, let's get it's raining, and

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Speaker 3: I remembering like, yeah, stay inside, no, grab took my

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Speaker 3: by the hand and we ran in the rain and

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Speaker 3: it was very fun. But I also remember in the

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Speaker 3: moment being like, he thinks this is so romantic, like.

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Speaker 1: You know, I remember, yeah, And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, And we say this from a place of love,

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Speaker 1: and of course, of course, of course, and I love

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Speaker 1: that that's who that boy is.

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Speaker 3: I hope he still is he is he is, and

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Speaker 3: his family is all the better for it's It's very

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Speaker 3: well appreciated and loved in his family. I'm having such

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Speaker 3: a great time catching up with Rachel Lee Cook that

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Speaker 3: she is sticking around for our weekly bonus episode, where

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Speaker 3: we will listen to one listener's voice memo and quietly

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Speaker 3: judge their embarrassing childhood story. All you need to do

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Speaker 3: in your own tales of teenage terror. Just email us

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Speaker 3: the next episode of teen Beat. See you Friday with

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Speaker 3: more from the Coolest girl I Know, Rachel Lee Cook.

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